CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[KoD]

I'm not at all impatient for GPU acceleration. History has shown that GPUs have crippled implementations of hardware decoding which break on certain files. Should I remember people of wmv acceleration and ATi cards ?

[Shinigami-Sama]

well ATI and AMd have teamed up
so maybe ATI will pull it's shoes up and give us some good APIs to work with? O:

[KoD]

It's a matter of what the hardware is able to do. You can change software with patches after the initial release, but you can't chnage the hardware you sold. So, if you discover later that there's an issue in your hardware, not much can be done.

[MacAddict]

well ATI and AMd have teamed up
so maybe ATI will pull it's shoes up and give us some good APIs to work with? O:

LOL, too bad ATI never 'pulled it's shoes' up on video drivers over the years. Hope AMD can help them now!

This thread is starting to sound like sour milk here. MainConcept has stepped in a big pile it seems. More marketing BS?

From this thread I gather GPU acceleration might be the best thing since sliced bread:D Sheesh...

[Shinigami-Sama]

well nvidia hasn't been much better in driver support either
now that we have so much power in them I guess they dont think squezing every last cycle out of them is worth it any more
same thing for all these RAD developers, though in same cases I can agree(GUIs, Frontends, web browsers)

[jblade]

After months and months of no updates on any optimizations happening, or even any "official" posting of where the current next-version is and what is being done, it seems like to me the CoreAVC team merely grabbed our money, and left. I mean its been MONTHS without ANY updates whatsoever. I am SURE the staff can optimize the codec even more to give us even better handling. At the very least, I think the costumers deserve an update on current progress posted on the mainsite. Why should they though, they got our money, even "tricked" a few of us to paying a little extra for a "promised" future upgrade. IMHO the GFX support will likely not happen, especially because of the amount of development that will have to go into it. I regret 100% purchasing the codec, despite how well it allows me to play HD on my computer.

[Kurtnoise]

Well...You should read FAQs and rules before to blame somebody here because CoreAVC is not a codec. Second, updates will be available when all things scheduled will be ready. That's all...

[jimbo276]

I take it a mac decoder is still some way off?

[JohnnyFu]

After months and months of no updates on any optimizations happening, or even any "official" posting of where the current next-version is and what is being done, it seems like to me the CoreAVC team merely grabbed our money, and left. I mean its been MONTHS without ANY updates whatsoever. I am SURE the staff can optimize the codec even more to give us even better handling. At the very least, I think the costumers deserve an update on current progress posted on the mainsite. Why should they though, they got our money, even "tricked" a few of us to paying a little extra for a "promised" future upgrade. IMHO the GFX support will likely not happen, especially because of the amount of development that will have to go into it. I regret 100% purchasing the codec, despite how well it allows me to play HD on my computer.

I total agree. I purchased CoreAVC a long time ago... (maybe a year ?, i dont know.. at least 7-9 months.) I can not recommend to buy CoreAVC to anyone. Promises over promises but no updates/fixes and no support.

I was recently banned from the corecoredec.com forum just because i complained and criticized on the corecodec politics.
And no, i didn't flamed or stuff like that, i just complained and criticized the corecodec politics. Maybe i should'nt do this in their CorePlayer promotion thread next time, it doesn't look good for potential customers.

But the ban confirmed me that i am totally right....

[Sagittaire]

I total agree. I purchased CoreAVC a long time ago... (maybe a year ?, i dont know.. at least 7-9 months.) I can not recommend to buy CoreAVC to anyone. Promises over promises but no updates/fixes and no support.

I was recently banned from the corecoredec.com forum just because i complained and criticized on the corecodec politics.
And no, i didn't flamed or stuff like that, i just complained and criticized the corecodec politics. Maybe i should'nt do this in their CorePlayer promotion thread next time, it doesn't look good for potential customers.

But the ban confirmed me that i am totally right....

lllllllooooooooooooolllllllllllllll ..........

1) Update is not an obligation. I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well. Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin. But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

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lllllllooooooooooooolllllllllllllll ..........

1) Update is not an obligation. I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well. Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin. But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

I don't think its that funny. I paid for GPU acceleration, and still I don't have what I paid for. So in my and many ppls opinion an update IS mandatory. So you use the old beta version? Fine you didn't pay anything and can laugh about those ppl that bougt and supported the devs and never got what they paid for. Sure 1.0 is faster then beta 0.4 (or whatever that version was), but promised features are still not there, but a stupid activation in the next version.
And there we go. If I knew how CoreAVC would evolve one year back, I would have never bought the pro version and perhaps not even the basic one and would have stayed with the beta like you did. And yes, the next time Core develops something I will think twice, if I support them. And if you think thats funny, fine, I'm sure the devs don't think so.

[clsid]

Why make update if there are no bug ... ???You don't seem to have read the whole thread...

[JohnnyFu]

lllllllooooooooooooolllllllllllllll ..........

1) Update is not an obligation. I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well. Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin. But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

Usless comment.

You dont even know what we are talking about. Read the whole thread. Look at the coreavc support forum, there are bug threads, there are bugs. And there is almost no support.

If a company advertise features for a product. Then an update is obligation.

Personally i have a major bug wich makes CoreAVC under special circumstances unusable. CoreAVC knows the bug and it should be no big deal to fix it. But there is no fix since months !

Have fun with your old beta.. whatever... version. We paid for something and we want it to work 100% including all advertised features.

[mrkazador]

Im not sure if it has been discussed before but.....
Has Overlay and Vmr9 levels been corrected with coreavc?
Blacks overlay level show as 17
Blacks Vmr9 Level show as 30
Blacks Vmr9 Level with "Fix Vmr9 Color Range" show as 17
Snapped a screenshot with zoom player and using photoshops eye dropper tool i got these results.

Standard File source
OpenSource Mpeg2 Splitter
Coreavc 1.1
Ac3Filter

[Jay Bee]

1) I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well.

Is that even legal?


Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

What makes you think CoreAVC has no bugs? There certainly are a few problems with the CoreAVC/Haali package (coloursapce issues, interlaced x264 playback, m2ts playback, AR problems), some of which will be fixed in the next version.



2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin.
He should have known that "GPU support soon" really means "well not that soon"?


But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

Depends on your hardware, but usually not true.

I think CoreAVC is a nice piece of software but I do think the level of support is untypically poor this type of small, independant software company. Usually these kind of companies thrive on the close interaction between users and devs, see Blight and Zoom Player for one example. The CoreAVC forum (and this thread) on the other hand is full of reports and questions that don't get any responses.

And using an online activation scheme for a video decoder seems a bit over the top to me, especially for a format that doesn't yet have a lot of content to play. I hope this won't put off too many potential buyers.

[KoD]

As I recall from a line said by someone who claimed to be a dev at CoreCodec, MPEG LA. requires them to pay a license fee for any decoder they sell, including any decoder updates. That is, you bought CoreAVC 1.1, then when CoreAVC 1.2 appears you'll have to pay again the full amount (or at least as required to pay for that licensing fee).

However, the people at CoreAVC worked to develop an upgrading system to convince the MPEG LA not to ask for a licensing fee for new decoder versions, and so any CoreAVC 1.1 user would be able to upgrade to CoreAVC 1.2 for free. I won't go into details on how this would be implemented since it might have changed in time and there's other stuff...

This new licensing scheme might just be the implementation of what is written above, if they managed to pull it off. In which case it is important because you will have your upgrades without paying any additional fee. (remember that MPEG LA asks for it). So, that "online activation scheme" might seem as something that equals zero, but it's actually something meant to save the buyers from spending additional cash when upgrading.

Disclaimer: I do not work for CoreCodec and I'm not associated with them in any way, not to mention that what I said above might be only partially true or not true at all (you can't really trust people you speak to on the internets to really be who they claim to be).

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As I recall from a line said by someone who claimed to be a dev at CoreCodec, MPEG LA. requires them to pay a license fee for any decoder they sell, including any decoder updates. That is, you bought CoreAVC 1.1, then when CoreAVC 1.2 appears you'll have to pay again the full amount (or at least as required to pay for that licensing fee).


If I read the MPEG Licences correct and remember correctly, the fee is 0.20$ per decoder and does not apply if you sell less than 100.000 decoders a year. I don't think they have that much customers and I would be happy to pay a dollar or two to get the update without stupid activation.
Source: http://www.mpegla.com/avc/AVC_TermsSummary.pdf

[bob0r]

As CoreAVC is already a working product, i am sure some update will come sooner or later.
Bug fixes for decoder and splitter, those are for sure.
But when there is money, people will always do weird things.

The coders on coreavc are, i think, too respected, to let us down for something like a little money.

I just cant wait to download a new CoreAVC version, with at least bugfixes (i agree quicker updates could have been done).
Any new features, how small or big they may be... we can only wait for it.

To people who got banned from a forum: I can mostly agree with you, IF there indeed was some kind of agreement (i never had any agreement about features, just buy, download and use)

Ofcourse if a paying customer has to repay the fee, that would be idiotic... and cant be left unpunished.

CoreAVC has proven to be the best decoder for H.264 in terms of speed, so just be patient and see what the future brings.

[Px]

CoreAVC has proven to be the best decoder for H.264 in terms of speed
Best software decoder ;), on my system PowerDVD7 with hw accel faster :)

[Trahald]

Does anyone have a link to a gaurantee of an upgrade for the purchase? (not to be confused with a gaurantee of free upgrades which is not the same thing)

[BetaBoy]

I love how JohnnyFu comes in and starts s#&t. Hey J FU, i'm here 24/7 I answer every email, I personally take every phone call for our products and I have been here with Doom9 from the beginning with his community for years... and you? Pls take it somewhere else.

/me breathes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)

Outside of D9 I have not announced this release so it may roll over by a day to Sat. while we finish QA on it. But all current CoreAVC users will be notified by email and given access to our new Core Account System where you'll see your purchase order and link to download any upgrades.

[BetaBoy]

BTW... here is a firingsquad mention of CoreAVC... They gotta stop comparing CoreAVC to hardware accel ;-)

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_purevideo_hd_preview/page7.asp

[Shinigami-Sama]

I'm loving how they failed you on 'no AACS' and no real comments coreAVC

[BetaBoy]

:-) yeah... we chuckled why were were even mentioned at all... but note that Blu-Ray support is being added to CoreAVC.

[DryFire]

The CoreAVC H.264 encoder is planned for release at a later date and will mirror the CoreAVC Edition Profiles....

Is an encoder still planned?

[BetaBoy]

Is an encoder still planned?

You know it is ;-) We will actually have a full suite of encoders.

[madshi]

/me breathes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)
Do you have some details for us about what's new? Thanks!

Btw, you should really do something about your web presence. Every 2nd time I try to visit www.coreavc.com, the server is down. This is by far the most unstable website I know.

[blubberbirne]

athes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)

A few day ago you said, the new release will come on November the 2th. Now we have the 2th. I'm still waiting :devil:

[AmbKosh]

Hi BetaBoy,
I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.
Bye,
AmbKosh

[Hans Ohlo]

Hi BetaBoy,
I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.
i have to fully quote this question, because it is a huge issue for me too. so will it be fixed?

[JohnnyFu]

No update notification e-mail until now. Hopefully the update will be released today.


OT: I dont wanna dispute with you Betaboy. It is not worth it. But dont tell me you answer on every e-mail and feign as everything is ok. An example: It took three and a half month before you replied to the poeple on the MCE Bug Thread (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&topic=3012.0) yesterday. Beside this Bug Thread (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&topic=3024.0) I wrote you 4 or 5 emails months ago..... i never got an answer and then gave up my hope, because i realized there will be never an answer or help/fix until the next CoreAVC update will be released.

I like it how you Betaboy come in here and act as if everything is working fine and Johnnyboy is a trouble maker.
As you can see there are alot people upset about the whole situation. I am not the only one.
I am not in doubt about your qualification and status in the community. I dont know why you are making me to your scapegoat. Mabye my posts sounds more gruff or rude than other ones... i dont know.. remember english is not my native language.

[BetaBoy]

J FU.... I appreciate your criticism... in the end feedback makes us stonger.. yes there obviously is a few bugs in the current public version and yes we could have released a newer version sooner.

But I have openly discussued the time we need to get the ppl in place here and it will become very apparent over the next few days/weeks/months why we have delayed some things as we make some pretty heavy announcements.

[wiak]

Hi BetaBoy,
I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.
Bye,
AmbKosh

as far i know the bug isnt a MCE-bug its a dshow bug or something as it is in wmp10,wmp11,mce & mpc

[Rectal Prolapse]

I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.

Why hasn't Betaboy responded to this basic question yet?

(weird, my post count has been reset!)

[Shinigami-Sama]

I thought he did back about 30 pages...

[Rectal Prolapse]

30 pages? Hmmmm...how do I search for that anyways? :)

EDIT: It seems Thread Seach is broken. I tried a search for "MCE" and got nothing - I guess doom9 can't search for 3 letter acronyms!

[Shinigami-Sama]

the thread search sucks
you can try making google do it
it does a better job

[Sharktooth]

Yep, this forum requires a much better search.
Google can do it but an integrated search would be easier for a newbie.

[Rectal Prolapse]

Thanks guys. Here is a link to Betaboy saying it may be fixed in 1.2:

http://corecodec.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=826&group_id=64&atid=313

[BetaBoy]

Hans Ohlo and Rectal Prolapse.... if you guys want to test email me betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll get you a demo build to see if you have any issues with MCE.

[Hans Ohlo]

Hans Ohlo and Rectal Prolapse.... if you guys want to test email me betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll get you a demo build to see if you have any issues with MCE.
thanks for the opportunity.
the issue is completly fixed with this demo build so there should be no problem with the coming version.

THANKS

[AmbKosh]

@hans ohlo: thanks for the good news. Finally i will be able to play H264 content on my living room PC.

@BetaBoy: will I also receive the updated download link, if i register now, or will I still receive Version 1.1?

[Jay Bee]

I just wanted to say, after my last post was slightly critcal, that this is the type of close support I was talking about: User reports problem -> dev offers test build -> user reports back -> problem solved. Excellent.

Now is there any chance for a comment on automatic deinterlacing of interlaced x264 files? Or lossless AVC playback?

[JohnnyFu]

get ready for a NEW CoreAVC decoder on Thursday Nov 2nd. This will feature.....

First of all, this is absolute no critic :)
I guess the release is delayed, (at least i did not received an update e-mail until yet and it is almost the 4th Nov.) and I want to ask if you have already planed a new release date ?

[BetaBoy]

J FU... I did indicate we were going to take a few more days to test (MCE related with the D9 users)... We are working on the last few things for the launch... and they are really not codec related but backend related... what I can say that will not make it into CoreAVC 1.2 is what we have planned for RGB... that will likely be in the next release.

[bob0r]

http://x264.nl/duke_core.gif

[JohnnyFu]

J FU... I did indicate we were going to take a few more days to test

Oh ok, guess i read over that.

[CruNcher]

@bob0r

bwuahahahaha great :D

[Shinigami-Sama]

duke nukem
dude that rocks
can't agree more

[Rectal Prolapse]

Betaboy, is your email server blocking gmail addresses? I take it you didn't get my email from this morning.

I hate it when businesses use email providers that block gmail.