Media Player Classic - Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - v1.7.13

[kasper93]

statusbar still doesn't indicate D3D11 as H/W Decoding. at least I test it with LAVFilters as external filters

Will be fixed in today's nightly. And I made sure it won't fail again if new decoders are added.

There are no new nightly builds at the moment, maybe the build system was broken?

Yes it failed because of this issue with MSBuild https://github.com/Microsoft/msbuild/issues/2424 . And there were other issues needed to be fixed so the nightly were frozen. Will be build normally today.

MPC-HC : actually I originally was on a older version (1.7.11 or 1.7.12). I updated to 1.7.13 before posting here, hoping it would fix the problem. It didn't.
GPU drivers : same. I had drivers dating from before GeForce Experience 3.0 (didn't want to have to create an account etc). This problem made me willing to try installing the latest GF Experience + drivers. No change, unfortunately.

If that helps in any way, I've noticed with Process Explorer that whenever I try to open an x264 file, I can see a second mpc-hc64.exe item suddenly appearing in the process list, which is marked "Suspended" and stays idle. Then after 5-10 seconds delay, it disappears from the process list, at the exact same time the video is finally playing, see http://i.imgur.com/qKDFwy3.png

Can you please try latest development version http://nightly.mpc-hc.org/ (should be available in an hour, or you can try previous one from old directory). There were reports (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1814190&postcount=3192) that it is fixed. Probably by using new non-xp toolchain. Still it is Windows bug, but if it persist on latest nightly we will try to resolve/workaround it.

[ParkerLewis]

I will try that tomorrow (going to bed now), thanks a lot. But if it's related to MPC-HC startup time and Windows Insider, I doubt it will be fixed for me, as :

- I'm NOT on Windows Insider
- The issue I'm encountering is NOT a startup / app launch issue : MPC-HC itself launches immediately as always. It's a "on file open" issue, with x264 files.

[kasper93]

Ok, so this change a lot. Can you also try disabling H/W decoding in LAV Video decoder settings? If nothing help we will diagnose what cause the slowdown.

EDIT: I can't read...

[sneaker_ger]

He already tried without H/W.
I'm using the internal LAV video decoder with hardware acceleration, I've tried disabling the accel, no change.

@ParkerLewis
Does it matter which renderer(s) you choose?

[ParkerLewis]

Ok, so this change a lot. Can you also try disabling H/W decoding in LAV Video decoder settings? If nothing help we will diagnose what cause the slowdown.

Yeah, I tried that... "Hardware decoder to use" => tried putting it to "None", but didn't change anything unfortunately.

He already tried without H/W.


@ParkerLewis
Does it matter which renderer(s) you choose?

Duh, I hadn't even tried that, sorry. I had CoreAVC Video renderer selected as an external filter. Worked like a charm for like six years or so. Deactivating it now... problem solved.

I wonder what might have caused this problem though. Anyway, in 2017, CoreAVC might be useless now, isn't it ? Looks like it's dead anyway. Is there any reason to use an external AVC decoder anymore or can I just uninstall it and forget about it ?

Thanks !

[sneaker_ger]

Uninstall and forget CoreAVC.

But:
Same issue with a VP8 video I have.
?

[kasper93]

Will be fixed in next one.

[Megalith]

Were any changes made to the Internal Audio Renderer in the latest Nightly? In Exclusive Mode, the audio eventually gets a static-like distortion if I seek to different parts of a video. I never had this issue in past versions.

[rock]

hi,
I just realized again about status bar display, when play with Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder, it shows H/W for a second before turn into software decoding display.

General
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/mp41/isom/avc1)
File size : 45.7 MiB
Duration : 8 min 9 s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 783 kb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31
Tagged date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 8 min 9 s
Bit rate : 545 kb/s
Width : 2 304 pixels
Height : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:10
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 15.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.011
Stream size : 31.8 MiB (70%)
Writing library : x264 core 142 r11 24e4fed
Encoded date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31
Tagged date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

[sneaker_ger]

Today's nightly will feature new rewritten drawing code. Improved SSE2 and brand new AVX2 version if available by CPU. Also few other related improvements to SSA/ASS subtitles.

There is still much to improve there. But I'd like to prioritize changes based on real life samples, so if you have some samples that MPC-HC struggle with please share it.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/2zdl77
rendering is slow

[Aleksoid1978]

hi,
I just realized again about status bar display, when play with Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder, it shows H/W for a second before turn into software decoding display.

General
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/mp41/isom/avc1)
File size : 45.7 MiB
Duration : 8 min 9 s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 783 kb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31
Tagged date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 8 min 9 s
Bit rate : 545 kb/s
Width : 2 304 pixels
Height : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:10
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 15.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.011
Stream size : 31.8 MiB (70%)
Writing library : x264 core 142 r11 24e4fed
Encoded date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31
Tagged date : UTC 2015-01-10 01:09:31
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709



Upload sample.

[rock]

Upload sample.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3v0PVuQfH99eGo3WHN2SDg1d3M/view?usp=sharing

[kasper93]

https://www.sendspace.com/file/2zdl77
rendering is slow

Nice. Thanks for sample. I will work at it next weekend. Should be able to squeeze some performance in this area.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3v0PVuQfH99eGo3WHN2SDg1d3M/view?usp=sharing

DXVA doesn't play this sample. Probably Microsoft's decoder initialize DXVA and fallback when it fails. That's why we detect it as being active for a while. But I haven't look in detail what's going on in the code. But I doubt we can change anything here.

[rock]

hi, I just found something more strange. When play h264 10 bit (sample from sneaker_ger) with MS decoder, which is actually not playable, but statusbar shows H/W.

[LigH]

So, the decoder tries to work in hardware accelerated mode, fails (which was expected), but does not fall back to software decoding (which would be expected)?

[Aleksoid1978]

MS decoder can't detect that H.264 stream is compatible with DXVA and trying decode ))

[nijiko]

Are 60,65,89 and later no longer support for XP?

[sneaker_ger]

Correct. XP support has been dropped for good.

[madshi]

@devs,

not sure if you're interested in this, but the latest LAV + madVR builds now support native D3D11 DXVA decoding, by using a new custom interface. IMHO going forward, this is going to be the best solution for hardware decoding. It performs slightly faster than DXVA2, has identical image quality to software decoding (unlike DXVA2), and due to the simplified custom interface might hopefully also be more stable/reliable than native DXVA2 decoding. Current disadvantages of D3D11 DXVA decoding are that it won't ever work on anything older than Windows 8.1, and that the current madVR version doesn't support DXVA deinterlacing + scaling yet (will be added in a future version), when using native D3D11 DXVA decoding.

If you're interested in adding support for this to your renderers, you can see the new custom interface here:

https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters/blob/master/decoder/LAVVideo/decoders/d3d11/ID3DVideoMemoryConfiguration.h

To be honest, I'm not sure how difficult it would be to add support for this to EVR, and whether you find it worth the effort. Just wanted to let you know.

[varekai]

@madshi
I'm still using Win7. Will this new version 0.92.1 improve anything vs previous release 0.91.11?
I don't use 3D. I'm very pleased with my current setup and thinking, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Thanks and best regards.

[aufkrawall]

Would it be possible to add youtube-dl support?
Or is it possible to open YT streams with youtube-dl via CLI in MPC HC already?

[LigH]

After youtube-dl downloaded the video, you will be able to play the locally downloaded file... implementing stream selection code from youtube-dl into MPC-HC won't be simple, though, at least due to completely different programming languages being used. Furthermore, it's not "streaming" in a narrow sense anyway.

[vBm]

Would it be possible to add youtube-dl support?
Or is it possible to open YT streams with youtube-dl via CLI in MPC HC already?

There's a ticket (https://trac.mpc-hc.org/ticket/5879)regarding youtube-dl integration but no one wanted to work on it so far.

However you can use "piping" to stream.

youtube-dl -q -o - youtube_url | "path\to\mpc-hc.exe" /play /close -

[aufkrawall]

Thank you. It's downloading, but it doesn't seem to pipe the content to the player. I'm just seeing youtube-dl's window with lots of gibberish-text in it, I'm seeing it consuming network traffic, but no player opens with playback.

[lvqcl]

Doesn't work if MPC-HC is already running. The workaround is to add /new switch to mpc-hc command line.

[aufkrawall]

That gibberish occurs with the above command lines:
https://abload.de/thumb/ytdluas1c.png (http://abload.de/image.php?img=ytdluas1c.png)

When I add
--format="((bestvideo[vcodec^=vp9]/bestvideo)+(bestaudio[acodec=opus]/bestaudio[acodec=vorbis]/bestaudio[acodec=aac]/bestaudio))/best"
to youtube-dl.conf (stream selection config for open codec and best quality), it instead downdloads the whole video.

What am I doing wrong? :o

[lvqcl]

Post your exact command line, youtube-dl version, MPC-HC version. Maybe it'll help.
Or maybe your youtube-dl.conf is responsible for this. Rename it to something else and try again.

[aufkrawall]

"C:\Users\USER\Desktop\youtube-dl.exe" -q -o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqz-KE-bpKQ | "C:\Program Files\MPC-HC\mpc-hc64.exe" /play /close -
MPC HC x64 1.7.13
youtube-dl v2017.08.18
ffmpeg x64 3.3.3 static

That gibberish occurs without youtube-dl.conf.

[lvqcl]

Works for me, so I have no idea, sorry.

[aufkrawall]

Thx anyway. I got it working on Linux with mpv that way (I'm aware that youtube-dl can be used directly with mpv), so I really have no idea what's wrong on Windows here.
Might ask at youtube-dl Github, I think it's possible to be a bug.

[tasi]

Subtitles doesnt work with new nightly build 1.7.13.89
It always crash and send a crash report.
I tried with EVR and VMR9 for output.
I have win7 and nvidia card (GTX260).
Thx!

[LigH]

If the downloaded video is written to the console, instead of piped to the player, then this version of youtube-dl seems not to support "-" as alias to STDOUT piping. But this topic is about MPC-HC, so rather ask youtube-dl issues where its developers can reply.

[rock]

request: greyed out drop down option for language when only English / no other language installed
issue: when play wmv with wmv9 mft decoder, status bar display H/W

[aufkrawall]

Got youtube-dl working. :)
Looks like some weird behavior of Windows: It doesn't work with the "run" function, but it does work when executing the command via a bat file.

Do you guys know how to stop it from downloading both streams first when you use "-f bestvideo+bestaudio"?
Without that command, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqz-KE-bpKQ works just fine with the commands used for piping. However, it's just 1080p H.264 instead of 4k 60fps VP9.
I know that it's because bestvideo+bestaudio are two seperate streams, but in theory this isn't a problem (and isn't in mpv either).

[sneaker_ger]

I know that it's because bestvideo+bestaudio are to seperate streams, but in theory this isn't a problem (and isn't in mpv either).
But you don't manually do that in mpv, do you? It probably opens youtube-dl twice or something like that.

With manual piping in Windows it's difficult to do two pipes and I doubt youtube-dl can interleave/mux live. So no luck with the separate streams if you use it in this way.

[lvqcl]

Got youtube-dl working. :)
Looks like some weird behavior of Windows: It doesn't work with the "run" function, but it does work when executing the command via a bat file.
Piping (via '|', '>' or '<' characters) doesn't work without cmd.exe.

[kasper93]

It is better to just extract streams with youtube-dl and open directly in MPC-HC. I have script which does that for me. Frankly integration with youtube-dl is not a problem but distributing youtube-dl is. But anyway gui for stream selection can be done fairly easy.

[sauma144]

Could you share your script? :)
What about adding a button to download/update youtube-dl or maybe a checkbox in the installer?

[aufkrawall]

I'd be totally happy about just dropping the youtube-dl.exe into MPC HC folder to enable YT (and HLS etc.) functionality for opening URLs.

[mikhaelkh]

https://nightly.mpc-hc.org/
Latest version is already 1.7.13.112, but in page source (Ctrl+U in Chrome) links are still old (1.7.13.89). And I can't fetch latest version using wget -rl1 -nd -AMPC-HC*x64*.7z -R*pdb*,*filters* https://nightly.mpc-hc.org/

[bbildman]

Hi, been using MPC-HC for a long time, with the latest version finally you incorporated the ability to search from multiple subtitle websites (I was using a previous version in beta, I think that had that ability). Anyway, I have "download subtitles automatically" checked and for weeks now it has worked perfectly, open a movie, MPC searches for and find subtitles and automatically uses the first one, without the subtitle box popping up.

However for the last few days, instead of the subtitles downloading and playing, the box pops up all the time for me to choose which one to use.

Do you have any idea why this has happened, and if there is a fix for it??

[huhn]

Today's nightly will feature new rewritten drawing code. Improved SSE2 and brand new AVX2 version if available by CPU. Also few other related improvements to SSA/ASS subtitles.

There is still much to improve there. But I'd like to prioritize changes based on real life samples, so if you have some samples that MPC-HC struggle with please share it.

ASS/SSA rendering in UHD is kind of unthinkable with the ISR or XY vsfilter.

maybe it is more efficient to use libass for subtitle rendering.
it a big change but MPC HC is benefiting from the stead development of libass in the long run.

[Reino]

Are 60,65,89 and later no longer support for XP?Correct. XP support has been dropped for good.
v1.7.11.24 (https://nightly.mpc-hc.org/old/1.7.11/1.7.11.24/) appears to be latest version that works on my WinXP pc.

"C:\Users\USER\Desktop\youtube-dl.exe" -q -o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqz-KE-bpKQ | "C:\Program Files\MPC-HC\mpc-hc64.exe" /play /close -
With this command youtube-dl pipes 'bestvideo' AND 'bestaudio' to mpc-hc. Afaik you can only pipe one stream at a time in Windows, so this would never work.
For this video 'bestvideo' and 'bestaudio' correspond to:
youtube-dl.exe -F aqz-KE-bpKQ
format code extension resolution note
258 m4a audio only DASH audio 387k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2, 29.15MiB
315 webm 3840x2160 2160p60 28416k , vp9, 60fps, video only, 1.63GiB
The only streams you can pipe with this command are the non-DASH/progressive videostreams:
youtube-dl.exe -F aqz-KE-bpKQ
format code extension resolution note
17 3gp 176x144 small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k
36 3gp 320x180 small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2
43 webm 640x360 medium , vp8.0, vorbis@128k
18 mp4 640x360 medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k
22 mp4 1280x720 hd720 , avc1.64001F, mp4a.40.2@192k (best)

youtube-dl.exe -f best -o - aqz-KE-bpKQ | mpc-hc.exe - /close
It is possible to pipe 'bestvideo' and 'bestaudio' to MPC-HC, but you'd have to merge them first... with FFmpeg:
FOR /F %A IN ('youtube-dl.exe -gf bestvideo aqz-KE-bpKQ') DO (
FOR /F %B IN ('youtube-dl.exe -gf bestaudio aqz-KE-bpKQ') DO (
ffmpeg.exe -i %A -i %B -c copy -f nut - | mpc-hc.exe - /close
)
)
The downside to piping is that you can't timeseek. But you don't have to pipe, because MPC-HC can load additional audiostreams:
FOR /F %A IN ('youtube-dl.exe -gf bestvideo aqz-KE-bpKQ') DO (
FOR /F %B IN ('youtube-dl.exe -gf bestaudio aqz-KE-bpKQ') DO (
mpc-hc.exe %A /dub %B
)
)
And this is exactly what 3DYD Youtube Source (http://ys.3dyd.com/) does. You'd be much better off using this DirectShow filter to open Youtube videos!
------

A question to the MPC-HC devs on my part:
mpc-hc /?
/dub "dubname" Load an additional audio file
/sub "subname" Load an additional subtitle file
Eventhough it says "audio file", /dub also accepts an url (as I've just demonstrated).
/sub on the other hand does not. Could you, just like MPC-BE, have it accept subtitle urls as well?!
But then I guess it won't do me any good, because new versions won't work on my WinXP pc...

[bitterman]

So out of the blue MPC-HC created a folder named "MPC-HC Capture" in My Documents.

I regularly check the My Documents folder and it was literally created on 9-9-2017 0:13 as of today.

Any clue on how that folder got in there? Since I don't use any capture software whatsoever.

Thanks.

[stax76]

It's common that apps write to default windows locations, don't use such locations, problem solved.

[bitterman]

I understand, but why did MPC-HC created this (empty) folder anyway?

Did I accidentally clicked on a key which triggered something?

Even in the options all of the capture settings are greyed out.

Because I don't use that stuff.

I'm just a little bit flabbergasted about this.

[chros]

So out of the blue MPC-HC created a folder named "MPC-HC Capture" in My Documents.
Same for me.

Were any changes made to the Internal Audio Renderer in the latest Nightly? In Exclusive Mode, the audio eventually gets a static-like distortion if I seek to different parts of a video. I never had this issue in past versions.
It was and what a change it is! (Although I can't reproduce your bug report, fortunately :) )
After almost 2 years the internal audio renderer is finally fixed! Thanks so much, @kasper93!

I also made a (hopefully) small feature request (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1817965#post1817965) about it.

[iSeries]

I'm now on win10, and no matter what audio renderer i select, only default direct show gets used. Anyone know why that would be?

[chros]

I'm now on win10, and no matter what audio renderer i select, only default direct show gets used. Anyone know why that would be?
I'm on Win8.1, it works here. Does the same happen with MPC-BE as well (selecting its own renderer)?

Edit: Have you selected the Internal Audio renderer under Output? :)

[aufkrawall]

I'm now on win10, and no matter what audio renderer i select, only default direct show gets used. Anyone know why that would be?
Did you try starting it with elevated privileges? Might be some UAC virtualization hassle.