Media Player Classic - Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - v1.7.13

[wanezhiling]

Many players have no options to disable internal filters at all, MPC-HC is already kind enough.

If you dont like/use internal LAV, disable them all in settings or just remove "LAVFilters" folder.

[Armada]

Q: Will you drop the lite builds now that you can just delete LAVFilters?

A: While there have been discussions about dropping the lite builds, we do not yet have any plans to do so.
I need to go back on this statement, it seems the lite builds were turned off without discussion.

[filler56789]

I need to go back on this statement, it seems the lite builds were turned off without discussion.
To make things more confused, the file info.md (http://nightly.mpc-hc.org/Info.md) still says:

The main builds (MSVC 2010) start to update and build at 01:00 (GMT+2)
and the builds are uploaded right after they are done so around 01:30 (GMT+2).

The Lite builds are built every Sunday at 01:00 (GMT+2).

The ICL13 builds are postponed for the time being, until a few bugs are fixed in the compiler.

[jkauff]

Many players have no options to disable internal filters at all, MPC-HC is already kind enough.
It could be a little kinder and let you disable them all with one click. Of course, now with LAV being internal, I don't need to do that anymore.

[clsid]

Right-click > Disable all filters

[renq]

This 4K video doesn't play on MPC-HC, but latest VLC plays it-
https://bit.ly/12MQMvQ

[Snowknight26]

Probably because it wasn't cut correctly. Remux it to fix it.

ffmpeg.exe -probesize 50000000 -i "20000101 0207 - 10906V SID 0x01 - instant record.ts" -acodec copy -vcodec copy -y outupt.ts

[Armada]

Experienced users usually tend to disable as much as possible, while inexperienced users typically enable as much as possible. So we don't really need to worry about that.
I'm more concerned about what's in between, users who are experienced enough to disable anything they think they don't need.

But through a combination of clearly defining what it is and making it part of an 'advanced' setup we may be able to achieve something that works for both parties.

[kasper93]

@renq @Snowknight26: nevcairiel already improve (http://git.1f0.de/gitweb?p=lavfsplitter.git;a=commit;h=90db672a71592a46ccdb6a9f98c138e686d0febf;js=1) this in LAV to handle bad files like this one. Will be in MPC-HC on next update.

[ney2x]

Probably because it wasn't cut correctly. Remux it to fix it.

ffmpeg.exe -probesize 50000000 -i "20000101 0207 - 10906V SID 0x01 - instant record.ts" -acodec copy -vcodec copy -y outupt.ts

slightly off-topic:
What's a good way or application that I need to used to cut/split certain scene of a movie for sample? I used Avidemux in cutting some movies that I uploaded for sample but it the bit rate and audio stream (according to MediaInfo) is not the same with the original. Thanks.

[ryrynz]

I'm more concerned about what's in between, users who are experienced enough to disable anything they think they don't need.

But through a combination of clearly defining what it is and making it part of an 'advanced' setup we may be able to achieve something that works for both parties.

That's how you mititgate these issues sure but these people will always remove things they think they don't need and that's just part of being an advanced user.

Who here hasn't done this at some stage removed some component of software that's required for something and come up with some error or issue?

You're being overly cautious over something that's no big deal.

[chano22000]

Dear mpc-hc team,

Thank you so much for mpc-hc and your hard work. With the integration of LAV and optionally madVR, mpc-hc is quality-wise probably the best open source solution.

This is true for video but audio is no more at the right level. Since madVR introduced the smooth motion FRC, Reclock is no more mandatory and there are yet no reasons not to bitstream audio or output bitperfect LPCM.

mpc-hc does not support WASAPI (current recommendation is not to use mpc-hc audio renderer which is buggy). Not being able to bypass the Windows mixer forces channel upmix (stereo becoming multichannel which disables Prologic or Neo6 from the AVR) and prevents bitperfect LPCM (AFAIK the Win7 mixer does at least 32bit reencoding, attenuation, mixing, systematic resampling according the fixed rate selected in the sound control panel).

I am not aware of any other solution but to use Reclock to get a WASAPI output (not reclocking anything, with audio clock slaved on video). It works but has a serious limitation since resampling is not smart. It should be avoided as much as possible and should therefore not occur when the audio LPCM output format (bit depth, sampling rate) is supported by the AVR and the audio card (Nvidia Geforce HDMI does not accept (sub)multiples of 44,1 kHz). Reclock only allows "do not change" (and uncommon/unsupported rates are not resampled = no sound) or resample to a fixed rate (leading to resample a 44,1 khz track to 48 kHz if kept as default). In any case, James (Slysoft) has other priorities and reclock is globally overkill for just WASAPI.

Since the video part is now near perfect, would it be possible yet to focus on the audio side and have a quality driven WASAPI exclusive mpc-audio renderer. I understand that the mpc-be developer has started some work on his own side which is still on its way.

I hope I am not alone loving mpc-hc ... and sound quality !

Thank you for what has been done and for the future.

Kind regards.

[Dstruct]

ASIO would be much better.

[jkauff]

ASIO would be much better.
ASIO and WASAPI would be best. I'm lucky, I have an M-Audio Audiophile 192 card with rock-solid ASIO drivers, but I'm sure many people have hardware that doesn't support ASIO, or may have flaky drivers. In any case, it's more dependent on 3rd parties than WASAPI.

JRiver still has ASIO, but they're now enabling WASAPI Event-driven by default (if you choose WASAPI).

That said, I don't think it would be a trivial matter to add WASAPI support to MPC-HC. Even foobar2000 developer Peter P. needed several tries to get it right.

[mindbomb]

mpc-be does have a working mpc audio renderer with wasapi exclusive mode support.

[chano22000]

I tried mpc-hc audio renderer in wasapi exclusive mode some weeks ago and got issues with numerous audio streams where reclock is ok.

Options -> Output -> Move your mouse to Drop Down Lists (Audio Renderer)

You can see popup message "MPC Audio renderer is broken, do not use" :o

[ikarad]

How use lavfilter integrated in mpc-hc? I don't find the options to check.

[Armada]

How use lavfilter integrated in mpc-hc? I don't find the options to check.
It has been integrated in the nightly builds, almost all internal filters have been replaced by LAV filters. So when MPC-HC would normally use it's own filters it now instead uses a packaged LAV filters. It's still a work in progress though, so some things are not yet polished and you may encounter bugs (report them if you find any).

[Aleksoid1978]

1 - MPC-HC + XySubFilter + madVR = bug, subtitles display twice, throw TextPassThruFilter and XySubFilter.
http://i.imgur.com/mJv4iVM.png

A know that need disable Auto Load Subtitle, but it's not right way. I think need disable TextPassThruFilter.

2 - Even if disable TextPassThruFilter(uncheck AutoLoad Subtitle), File with embedded + load external we have bug when both subtitle displayed - embedded + external at one time.
http://i.imgur.com/wjk7t7P.png

[clsid]

Latest version still selects the wrong audio track (first) when second track is marked as default. Using Haali splitter. Preferred language lists are empty in MPC-HC.

[chano22000]

Hi mindbomb

mpc-be does have a working mpc audio renderer with wasapi exclusive mode support.

Where can I get the mpc-be standalone filters ? They are no more available in the latest releases from http://dev.mpc-next.ru/index.php/board,29.0.html since last update of the audio renderer (rev 3044 ?).

Kind regards.

[Aleksoid1978]

Hi mindbomb

Where can I get the mpc-be standalone filters ? They are no more available in the latest releases from http://dev.mpc-next.ru/index.php/board,29.0.html since last update of the audio renderer (rev 3044 ?).

Kind regards.

Here - http://dev.mpc-next.ru/index.php/topic,1654.msg9236.html#msg9236

[Tiberian]

New member so go easy on me, trying to resolve an issue with MPC-HC but this isn't a deal breaker - I'll still continue to use it since it's been the best media player for me over the years since it was first created/released.

Anyway, here's the short short version: OS is Windows 7 Pro x64. I don't have a big "home theater," everything is done on my laptop, a Dell Latitude E6400 with Intel GMA 4500 graphics. Now, in the past when I used older versions of MPC-HC (meaning versions before the 1.7 branch which - iirc - is when the LAV filters were introduced as part of the distribution) I was able to just use the MPC-HC executable and nothing more to play pretty much any file save for Real content (which I don't even touch, ever).

My issue is with the movie trailers from Apple located at their trailers webpage (http://trailers.apple.com). In the past, as I said, pre-1.7 MPC-HC I was always always able to play the trailers (typical MOV containers with h.264 video streams and AAC audio streams inside) without a single issue at all, even DXVA would work just fine off the Intel GPU I have (yes it's lame and I intend to get a replacement mobo at some point that has the Nvidia Quadro on it, but not at this moment).

Now, from the very first time I used a post-v1.7 MPC-HC build with the LAV filters included, I can't play those trailers anymore, and no, rolling back to the pre-1.7 release builds doesn't resolve the issue or play the videos anymore either. The only thing that's changed on this machine (this Windows 7 installation is nearly 11 months old and gets regular updates, etc, but I haven't altered anything in any respects to video, I'm still using the latest Intel graphics driver v8.15.10.2869). About a week ago I grabbed the latest MPC-HC build (my very first one was v1.7.0.7621 from 7-17-2013) and ever since that first run of that build, these QuickTime MOV container files won't play. Here's the error I get:

File Source (Async.)::Output

Media Type 0:
--------------------------
Unknown

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Stream {E436EB83-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_QTMovie {E436EB89-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
formattype: TIME_FORMAT_NONE {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 0


Media Type 1:
--------------------------
Unknown

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Stream {E436EB83-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
subtype: TIME_FORMAT_NONE {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
formattype: TIME_FORMAT_NONE {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 0

It's obviously detecting it for what it is - a QuickTime container file - but it just won't play it for the reason I can't comprehend.

I'm not really sure how (or even if) I can resolve this and I'd really really like to get it done without resorting to a backup-reinstall of the whole dang OS since it's running so well at this point. I did try to use several 1.6.x branch builds and I get the same error. Heck, I can't even watch those trailers now using Windows Media Player which has always natively been able to play them under Windows 7. I suspected maybe Apple had changed something so they wouldn't play with anything but QuickTime installed (a format change to the container, who knows, I'm just speculating - you folks know this stuff much better than I do) so I grabbed a few trailers I had from earlier this year and even one or two from 2011 I had on a backup disc and they simply won't play. Every time I attempt to play one I get the same basic error as noted above.

If anyone is able to help, or has some suggestion I'd appreciate hearing it. I'm so used to having everything just working without issues in Windows 7 - with MPC-HC being able to play pretty much anything that I normally care to watch without having to load any "codec packs" because of Windows 7's native multiformat decoder as well as what MPC-HC can do internally/natively all by itself.

But now I can't play these trailers and again this isn't a make or break thing I suppose, I just can't stand it when something is borked and I can't figure it out on my own.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated, thanks.

[fvisagie]

I used Avidemux in cutting some movies that I uploaded for sample but it the bit rate and audio stream (according to MediaInfo) is not the same with the original. Thanks.

Ensure the drop-down controls under Video and Audio are both set to Copy. To further prevent any re-encoding and/or glitches due to missing reference frames, always cut on I-frame boundaries.

[xiulet]

hi i am using mpc-hc + madvr( smooth motion)+ reclock only for wasapi mode, and my avr is showing correctly the bitstreams, seems it's working for me.
http://i.minus.com/ib0AlOVKPa7USz.PNG
http://i.minus.com/ihWljUFrixWh4.PNG

may be i didn't understand well the post about this , i dosen't speak english well.

:)

[betaking]

hi this is Simplified Chinese translation rc and txt for last git
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o56qrmo5u8246l3/mplayerc.sc..zip

[Thingol]

Turkish translation updated.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11769082/mplayerc.tr.rc.txt

[DUDERANCH]

Hello all.

I have been using this MPC for years. I like it due to the low resource usage (even though I have the power) and clean looking interface.

I have read on a lot of video forums people are talking about some filter called LAV and another called MadVR. Can someone explain what these do? I heard they give better quality but how is that possible? Once a Blu-ray or DVD is encoded how can it go back to good quality? This makes no sense to me.

I use default MPC-HC settings. Back in the day I remember you needed codec packs but not anymore.

I have a 1680x1050 22" monitor and a 3GB 7950 gpu. Are these filters going to make my 480p rips look like HD?

[xiulet]

Hello all.

I have been using this MPC for years. I like it due to the low resource usage (even though I have the power) and clean looking interface.

I have read on a lot of video forums people are talking about some filter called LAV and another called MadVR. Can someone explain what these do? I heard they give better quality but how is that possible? Once a Blu-ray or DVD is encoded how can it go back to good quality? This makes no sense to me.

I use default MPC-HC settings. Back in the day I remember you needed codec packs but not anymore.

I have a 1680x1050 22" monitor and a 3GB 7950 gpu. Are these filters going to make my 480p rips look like HD?

Take a look this tutorials and learn about configurations
all together tutorial (http://www.homecinema-hd.com/us/tutorials/windows/htpc/tutorial-htpc-1.html)
madvr tutorial (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=80253.0)
The quality of a video is one that is, is not posible that a 480p looks like a hd and vice versa, but are several levels of quality of a rip.

Lav filters are now integrated on mpc-hc http://nightly.mpc-hc.org/

:)

[truexfan81]

wow that's just great now I cannot even play .wmv in Windows Media Player. Madvr and Lav filter and this garbage actaully screwed up my computer. First black screen crash since Windows XP just fantastic.

MPC-HC version 1.6.5 32 bit - everything works perfectly.

Update MPC-HC to new version 32 bit + Madvr + lav filters = .wmv doesn't play, quiet audio, wasted 2 hours of my life, crashes computer.

what a bunch of crap.

more info might be helpful, example: windows version, graphics hw, mpc-hc version used, etc

[Superb]

lol I can't even play .avi or .mkv anymore.

never again will I listen to the hype.

if it ain't broken don't fix.

I got no quality improvement and a bunch of crashes. what disaster.Really don't know what you're talking about. I bet you have some broken or misconfigured filters on your machine. Can't remember the last time I've had a crash w/ MPC-HC+LAV+madVR.

There's no doubt, by the way, that madVR improves the video quality (I watch 720p videos on 1080p screens).

I bet you did something wrong (blindly following guides w/o knowing what you do is probably the cause).

[Guest]

Go post your questions at the site hosting the guide you followed. We don't provide support at Doom9 for random guides found on the net. And we don't like to help people that come in here and start calling respected software crap.

[dansrfe]

lol nice. xiulet posts the guide and then you tell me to go there.

4chan says go to Doom9 to get better MPC-HC quality but watch out for elitists. Look's like they were right and then wrong. There is no better quality because it doesn't work, there are no tutorials, half the subforums are dead, but there are elitists.

Dude, you're wasting Doom9's server space by posting useless comments. Think long and hard before posting any comment anywhere and read the documentation of whatever you're using before bitching about it to anyone or anywhere.

[truexfan81]

lol nice. xiulet posts the guide and then you tell me to go there.

4chan says go to Doom9 to get better MPC-HC quality but watch out for elitists. Look's like they were right and then wrong. There is no better quality because it doesn't work, there are no tutorials, half the subforums are dead, but there are elitists.

i'm going to make this simple for you.
1. grab the latest mpc-hc nightly this has LAV built-in
http://nightly.mpc-hc.org/

2. grab the latest madvr
http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

calmly take your time, go through the madvr settings, try them out until you find what you like (this takes time as there are many options, but its worth it because when you get it just right it is so much better than the alternatives)

3. enjoy

[Superb]

lol nice. xiulet posts the guide and then you tell me to go there.

4chan says go to Doom9 to get better MPC-HC quality but watch out for elitists. Look's like they were right and then wrong. There is no better quality because it doesn't work, there are no tutorials, half the subforums are dead, but there are elitists.
Huh? It doesn't work FOR YOU. Probably something YOU did wrong.
It doesn't/shouldn't take 2 hours (as long as you know what you do).
I'm willing to spend 5 minutes on TeamViewer and fix all your decoder issues. Send me a PM w/ ID and password if you'd like.

[mindKILL3R]

Hi. I don't know much about video yet, but I have a question about choppy playback in MPC-HC.

I noticed that some BDrips stutter/look choppy even though my task manager shows CPU usage at around 50% during the stuttering (and 10-15% otherwise). I have an i7 930 2.80GHz and Radeon HD 5850, plus 24GB of RAM. Is this more likely to be a hardware or software issue? I just grabbed the latest MPC-HC nightly but I don't know much about codecs. Currently using CCCP.

EDIT: Also, I noticed that the problem vanishes sometimes when I pause or close the player, but only sometimes, which doesn't make much sense.

[truexfan81]

Hi. I don't know much about video yet, but I have a question about choppy playback in MPC-HC.

I noticed that some BDrips stutter/look choppy even though my task manager shows CPU usage at around 50% during the stuttering (and 10-15% otherwise). I have an i7 930 2.80GHz and Radeon HD 5850, plus 24GB of RAM. Is this more likely to be a hardware or software issue? I just grabbed the latest MPC-HC nightly but I don't know much about codecs. Currently using CCCP.

EDIT: Also, I noticed that the problem vanishes sometimes when I pause or close the player, but only sometimes, which doesn't make much sense.

need more info, mpc-hc version, windows version, etc

[mindKILL3R]

need more info, mpc-hc version, windows version, etc

It's MPC-HC 1.7.0.7662 and Windows 7 64-bit.

[truexfan81]

It's MPC-HC 1.7.0.7662 and Windows 7 64-bit.

if you are running the latest nightly (that version number tells me you are) then you don't need cccp, i'm betting its causing your problem. remove that, see if it helps, if not we will figure it out from there.

also

if you go into the mpc-hc options, and click the Output tab, which renderer do you have selected at the top where it says DirectShow Video? thanks

[Vyral]

@DUDERANCH
Grap this codec pack and follow the instructions : http://haruhichan.com/forum/showthread.php?7545-KCP-Kawaii-Codec-Pack
Make sure you uninstall ALL instances of MPC-HC, CCCP, ffdshow, madVR, Haali, K-lite, CoreAVC etc. before installing KCP.

[LigH]

I used to believe that "codec packs" are in general not recommendable. Some install more than you need. Some "tweak" the system to a state beyond repair. Some contain commercial components without license (warez).

One could spend time in recherching if this "Kawaii Codec Pack" is harmless. Or rather in explaining how to use the original filters.

[fagoatse]

I used to believe that "codec packs" are in general not recommendable. Some install more than you need. Some "tweak" the system to a state beyond repair. Some contain commercial components without license (warez).

One could spend time in recherching if this "Kawaii Codec Pack" is harmless. Or rather in explaining how to use the original filters.

True.
Moreover, the integration of lav filters defeats the purpose of such endeavours.
Anyway, I don't think mpc-hc requires any guide for newcomers as the default settings are more than enough in majority of cases. As a rule of thumb, just stay away from any codec packs.

[cyberbeing]

Anyway, I don't think mpc-hc requires any guide for newcomers as the default settings are more than enough in majority of cases. As a rule of thumb, just stay away from any codec packs.

MPC-HC default settings are not compatible with xy-VSFilter or XySubFilter, which means the majority of fansub viewers are all affected. It also somewhat does necessitate such guides for people who do not read the instructions in our installer or FAQ. I hate guides in general though, since some give bad advice. This is the main reason we at xy-VSFilter Project personally recommend and endorse use of CCCP for users who want to use MPC-HC. It's just about the most minimalistic and harmless codec pack you can find, and also the only way to get xy-VSFilter with some more recent bug-fixes at the moment.

Part of the reason CCCP exists is so everything can be pre-configured, tested, and checked to make sure all components are compatible and functioning as expected, rather than just the latest and greatest nightly build. Many users can't seem to be bothered to read instructions, remove conflicting filters from their system, and properly configure everything themselves. I've lost count of how many times I've heard a MPC-HC users who installed xy-VSFilter complain of "flickering subtitles", "duplicate subtitles", or "xy-vsfilter doesn't load", which are all user-error issues resulting from misconfiguration of MPC-HC. I've also lost count of how many times installing CCCP fixed completely broken DirectShow setups for people, which go beyond just MPC-HC configuration issues.


My best guess is that mindKILL3R installed the CCCP 2013-07-16 RC2 Beta and ran into this issue:
A performance issue with the CCCP LAV Filters compile put into the RC2 has been fixed. Was originally caused by the toolchain containing mingw-w64's winpthreads, and not the original pthreads-win32. I blame movax (and Zeranoe, kind of :P). This was not a problem in any of the stable releases because pthreads was not used in them.
This was fixed by JEEB in 2013-07-22 RC3 Beta, and did not exist in the 2013-05-30 stable release.

[nevcairiel]

Guides give bad advice and codec packs distribute outdated/broken/customized versions of things, i wish codec packs would at least stick to vanilla releases and the official builds. :p
In general, neither guides or codec packs are any better really. A bad codec pack can have equally weird things in them as a bad guide would make the user install/configure himself.

[cyberbeing]

In general, neither guides or codec packs are any better really. A bad codec pack can have equally weird things in them as a bad guide would make the user install/configure himself.

I fully agree with this statement.

[Deft]

Is the options UI going to be revamped any time soon? Maybe there could just be player, video, audio, and subtitles tabs. Put the more obscure options in an advanced options tab.

Right now I think there are far too many options. Does anyone even mess with the options in these tabs? "Formats", "Web Interface", "Sync Renderer Settings", "Internal Filters", "Capture", "Miscellaneous"

[ryrynz]

Shouldn't you just be playing your files rather than hanging around in the options? The options page is fine as it is and has been for years. The options are sorted into appropriate areas, it's quite tidy really.

[JanWillem32]

I'd actually prefer adding a lot more tabs. Maybe the options screen could be a bit bigger as well. Many of the audio and video renderer options can only be accessed by navigating trough the right-click, "View" and "Play" menus. These menus disappear once you click something, don't offer much space or functionality for visual formatting and there are no features for these menus to explain what the options do. For example, the color management options are in the right-click and "View" menus. These options are complicated and could really use some documentation. On top of that, it's really common to change several of these options at the same time.
Manipulating the code for the menus is really annoying though. I don't like the heavily templated menu and other window classes, the way these are operated in MPC-HC nor the application settings class at all. On top of that, the sets of files MainFrm and AppSettings are some of the most often edited of them all. I generally avoid changing too much in there myself (I merely changed a few thousand lines in these files), but I'd welcome some good ideas/programming to implement proper code and methods for the menus.

[SamKook]

Does anyone even mess with the options in these tabs? "Formats", "Web Interface", "Sync Renderer Settings", "Internal Filters", "Capture", "Miscellaneous"

Yes, people do use these options, I've use 2/3rd of these myself in the last month and very frequently use the internal filters to test decoding some files(but not so much anymore when I update to a build with LAV integrated though).

[minaust]

Does anyone even mess with the options in these tabs? "Formats", "Web Interface", "Sync Renderer Settings", "Internal Filters", "Capture", "Miscellaneous"

Yes. I do, for one.