ffdshow tryout project : HD audio discussion

[albain]

64 bits build on sourceforge now (tested and working) : rev 3248

[Sebastiii]

DTS-HD MA 7.1 (Hellboy: Golden Army) is correctly configured as 7.1 in my xonar/denon 988 setup. In fact, I have had no issues with several previously problematic titles, seeking, chapter change, etc. Very happy camper. BTW Helloby has a very "energetic" sound track, very nice! If requested, I'll upload a sample.

Now my dreams can move on to LPCM bistreaming. :)

Hi,

It would be great :) that i can test this sample.

But for my issue is DTS-HR not reconize with ffdshow, it's ok with PDVD9 on ATI.

Maybe it's something wrong (EDID ?) but like it's works with PDVD it's strange and maybe it's like with AVR Pioneer, because on my AVR before Damien find the bug for DTS-MA and Pioneer, I can play DTS-MA without issue and the issue was here on Pioneer so maybe strange bug on my AVR and FFDshow lol.

Thx,
Seb.

[piit]

Great news :) Big thx :)

I've re wrote a ticket so i wait an answer.
But yes you're right all people must post in AMD to resolve issue of dropout in software mode and Powerplay issue.

Thx :)

I did submit a very detailed support ticket regarding PowerPlay induced dropouts and also EDID issues a while ago and 5 days later on 21 Jan I received a notification that


Your service request SR# 8200273275 has been escalated to one of our
experts who can better address your questions. We appreciate your
patience, and thank you for your interest in AMD.


Just checked and this was regarding the dropouts.
Let's hope something will eventually happen!

Pete

[piit]

Now my dreams can move on to LPCM bistreaming. :)

No need to dream - just use ReClock in WASAPI/Kmixer mode :) Although I have to admit it would be great having it all in ffdshow :)

Pete

[Sebastiii]

Great i'm waiting an answer too.

At my first try, they didn't find and reproduce bug !!!!!!
I hope that it will try to reproduce it and solve it :)

Thx,
Seb.

[andyvt]

Hi,

You have to go on : HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GNU\ffdshow
And add or set regkey DWORD allowDPRINTF and set value 1.

Good luck :)
Seb.

I added the key, where should the log get written?

FWIW the issue only manifests with Haali. If I use the MPC-HC MKV splitter everything works great (including some drop-outs in TrueHD experienced in 3200 being fixed).

Thanks

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

You have to launch debugview and the log comes into it :)

And in few past post Albain says :

@hoborg : goto HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GNU\ffdshow and create a DWORD value
Call it "allowDPRINTF" and set it to 1
Then you should be able to get debugview logs

Seb.

[HeadlessCow]

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647.aspx

Grab DebugView and start it up (right-click, run as admin on Vista). The messages from ffdshow will show up in there.

[nightfly]

No need to dream - just use ReClock in WASAPI/Kmixer mode :) Although I have to admit it would be great having it all in ffdshow :)

Pete

I've had ReClock installed before, but it's been awhile. So replace the ffdshow filter with Reclock configured to use WASAPI? Not show how to config MPC-HC to do that on the fly or via menuing. I support manipulating the external filter priority/merit could do it. Seems very kludgie.

Currently I am forced to switch the Win playback device to "speakers" from s/pdif (my default) for LPCM based titles.

I am for max quality video/audio, but ease-of-use is important too.

Beyond that, loaded up my DVE calibration disk yesterday and testing some the "old" audio formats: DD EX 6.1, DTS-ES, etc. They all bitstreamed fine with the current ffdshow beta. Way to go Albain!

Lastly, working on a Hellboy DTS-HD MA 7.1 sample. I am creating a 7 min clip - it has a very nice intro.

[andyvt]

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647.aspx

Grab DebugView and start it up (right-click, run as admin on Vista). The messages from ffdshow will show up in there.

Thanks. Log (http://babgvant.com/downloads/haalitruehd.zip).

[nightfly]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2K2W433W

Hellboy 2: The Golden Army Sample

~460MB @ ~4 mins. Had to cut down the length due to size. Enjoy!

[rica]

Ok guys, now i'm on MPC-HC 1586 with ffdshow 3251 and ReClock 1.8.6.2.

I get LPCM passthrough with WASAPI via ReClock. (thx James)
And i get bitstream over ffdshow. (thx Albain)
DTS,
DD,
THD,
DTSHD-MA,
DTSHD-HR.

No problem here; i'm on 7/64 and my SW is x86 (haven't tried MPC and ffdshow 64 yet) -Ati 5770 and Denon 1910 btw.

And thx to tetsuo55 and tal.aloni btw.

Thanks guys.

[dehati_paul]

Ok guys, now i'm on MPC-HC 1586 with ffdshow 3251 and ReClock 1.8.6.2.

I get LPCM passthrough with WASAPI via ReClock. (thx James)
And i get bitstream over ffdshow. (thx Albain)
DTS,
DD,
THD,
DTSHD-MA,
DTSHD-HR.

No problem here; i'm on 7/64 and my SW is x86 (haven't tried MPC and ffdshow 64 yet) -Ati 5770 and Denon 1910 btw.

And thx to tal.aloni btw.

Thanks guys.

@rica -

Can you please let me know how/what setting you are using in reclock to get this? I have been trying to do the same in 7MC (with MPC-HC standalone filters and ffdshow, reclock) without success (cannot load reclock selectively only for LPCM). Hopefully your solution might help.

[Sebastiii]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2K2W433W

Hellboy 2: The Golden Army Sample

~460MB @ ~4 mins. Had to cut down the length due to size. Enjoy!

Thx :)
I will try tonight
Seb.

[albain]

Thanks. Log (http://babgvant.com/downloads/haalitruehd.zip).

Hi Andy,

I used to spend some time on your forum about Media Center issues (MCML, MCE object model) to release Media Control, so welcome here :)

Let's come to our point : normally revisions beyond 3241 should resolve your issues, please let me know if it doesn't

[andyvt]

Hi Andy,

I used to spend some time on your forum about Media Center issues (MCML, MCE object model) to release Media Control, so welcome here :)

Let's come to our point : normally revisions beyond 3241 should resolve your issues, please let me know if it doesn't

Thanks! I'll check it out ASAP :)

If you're registered on my site let me know your user name and I'll add you to the EA group.

[albain]

Thanks! I'll check it out ASAP :)

If you're registered on my site let me know your user name and I'll add you to the EA group.

Same, albain
Thanks

[rica]

@rica -

Can you please let me know how/what setting you are using in reclock to get this? I have been trying to do the same in 7MC (with MPC-HC standalone filters and ffdshow, reclock) without success (cannot load reclock selectively only for LPCM). Hopefully your solution might help.

Have a look at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152520

Hope it helps :)

[dehati_paul]

Have a look at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152520

Hope it helps :)

Thanks, I will check it later!

[PatkIllA]

The 64 bits build I submitted on sourceforge is not compiled correctly

This may be the causeNope I tested the 32 Bit Version?
I wonder why no else says that dts still works for him without HD bitstream capable hardware.

[CrazyHT]

I have been struggling for awhile now trying to figure out how to get Windows 7 MC to playback various m2ts and mkv files natively (without using MPC-HC or any other player) to bitstream DTS-MA, TrueHD and other codecs to my Denon 4308ci AVR. Following the works of many in the various AV forums, I see that some people have had some success with the Xonar getting playback to bitstream; however, I don’t know if anyone has it working without the utilization of MPC-HC.

My setup is as follows:
Ahanix MCE-601 case
Gigabyte GA-P965-DQ6 v3.3 Motherboard (F13a BIOS)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
Gigabyte Nvidia 8600GTS Silent (GV-NX86S256H)
2 GB Ram
Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 Slim (Firmware v.1.11 HD)
LG Blu-ray Drive GGC-H20L (Firmware v.1.03)

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
Asus Xonar HDAV Drivers v.7.12.8.1777
Nvidia Drivers v.196.21
Arcsoft TMT3 v.3.0.1.161

@nightfly – You seem to have a similar setup, could you please post a step-by-step guide of how you got the Arcsoft filters working, that seems to be the only part not working for me. I have tried the steps outlined here: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-148324.html
:thanks:

[andyvt]

Thanks! I'll check it out ASAP :)

If you're registered on my site let me know your user name and I'll add you to the EA group.

The issue is still present (http://babgvant.com/downloads/ffdshow_rev3251_20100131_dbt_.zip) with 3251.

Thanks.

[nightfly]

@nightfly[/B] – You seem to have a similar setup, could you please post a step-by-step guide of how you got the Arcsoft filters working, that seems to be the only part not working for me. I have tried the steps outlined here: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-148324.html
:thanks:

I did my setup last fall and don't even remember the steps. I do remember it took a lot of trial and error.

My reference thread was here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131365

I posted several followups there - it's a long thread but you know...

You gotta use TMT2 for everything but the audio renderer and for that you use the TMT3 version. I used the retail versions.

Here is a copy of some of the text I extracted from that thread:
First, you will need a copy of TMT2. The trial will work. These instructions will assume that no version of TMT is installed yet. Skip the steps you don't need. Note that on x64 OSes, you will need to replace "Program Files" with "Program Files (x86)".

1. Install TMT 2 as normal.
2. Make a copy of the following folders (replace "[UserName]" with your username:
Code:

C:\Program Files\Common Files\ArcSoft\Bin
C:\Program Files\Common Files\ArcSoft\Connection Service
C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Local\ArcSoft\arcsoft mpeg

3. Make a copy of the following file:
Code:

C:\Program Files\Common Files\ArcSoft\MPEG Engine\checkactivate.dll

4. Uninstall TMT 2 and clean the registry (Not necessary for this to work but it may be for TMT 3 Installation).
5. Install TMT 3.
6. Restore the folder copies that you made to the original locations.
7. Place the copy of checkactivate.dll in the following folder:
Code:

C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec

8. Copy the following text and paste it into a new text document:
Code:

[Main]
Computer Name=MyPC
De-interlace Mode=2
Enabled Output Type=1073741823
Error Skip=0
Frame Skip=1
Enable DeBlock=1
Enable Logo=0
Enable COPP=1
Enable DecoderStat=0
Enable Scramble=0
Auto SW/HW Switch=1

9. Replace "MyPC" with your computer name.
10. Save it to the following file:
Code:

C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec\ASViD.log

11. Register all the .ax files (or just the ones you want to use) in the following folder:
Code:

C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec


Steps 8-10 are important. If you don't do them, you will not get DXVA1/2 decoding unless you reset it in the video decoder every time you use it.

You should now be able to use the TMT3 decoders in third party apps. Note that the audio decoders will NOT connect to Dolby sources (any flavor) if you are using the trial.

I have only tested this with the trial so YMMV.

-- Updates re TMT3:
Yeah, I was able to use them in other apps. Andy O and boiler11 did find that the Bin folder needed to be added to your path if you were copying the files from another machine. Since I had TMT2 installed on the same machine, it was already in my path. You could also try copying all the dlls to the TMT3 Codec folder but I'm not sure.
--
I started fresh:

1. Install TMT 2.
2. Update to .125 (last version to not downsample audio in DirectShow players).
3. Rename "C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre" to "C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre.bak"
4. Install TMT 3.
5. Remove ".bak" from the TMT 2 folder name.
6. Update TMT 3 to .140


TMT 2 filters still work in DirectShow apps and I'm able to run TMT 3 .140

Step 3 gets around the issue of TMT 3 wanting to uninstall TMT 2. Steps 5 and 6 should be interchangeable.

Note: TMT 2 .125 will not run in Win7/Vista SP2 but I have TMT 3 for that, I just wanted the filters. If you update TMT 2 to .130, it should run as well (not tested).
--

TMT2 v.130+ works on Win7. TMT2 v.131 will go coexist fine with TMT3. I am currently running TMT2 v.131 & TMT3 v.160

[albain]

The issue is still present (http://babgvant.com/downloads/ffdshow_rev3251_20100131_dbt_.zip) with 3151.

Thanks.

Weird, the logs you posted tell that the TrueHD format is accepted by your driver

Anyone else owning a clarksdale and having TrueHD issues ?

00000155 15.07016468 [6028] TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat format not supported, trying another one
00000156 15.08026600 [6028] Media Type Structure
00000157 15.08026600 [6028] Format type : FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
00000158 15.08026600 [6028] Sub type : MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM
00000159 15.08026600 [6028]
00000160 15.08026600 [6028] WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE :
00000161 15.08026600 [6028] subFormat : KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP
00000162 15.08026600 [6028]
00000163 15.08026600 [6028] wSamplesPerBlock : 16
00000164 15.08026600 [6028] Valid bits per sample : 16
00000165 15.08026600 [6028] dwChannelMask : 255
00000166 15.08026600 [6028]
00000167 15.08026600 [6028] WAVEFORMATEX :
00000168 15.08026600 [6028] wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE
00000169 15.08026600 [6028] Channels : 8
00000170 15.08026600 [6028] Bits per sample : 16
00000171 15.08026600 [6028] Samples per second : 192000
00000172 15.08026600 [6028] nBlockAlign : 16
00000173 15.08026600 [6028] nAvgBytesPerSec : 3072000
00000174 15.08026600 [6028]
00000175 15.08037281 [6028] TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat this format is supported
00000176 15.08042812 [6028] TffdshowDecAudioInputPin : switching codec from liba52 to bitstream Dolby True HD

[andyvt]

Weird, the logs you posted tell that the TrueHD format is accepted by your driver

Anyone else owning a clarksdale and having TrueHD issues ?



Just it case it got missed, this problem is only present with the Haali splitter. MPC-HC works great.

[dbone1026]

Just it case it got missed, this problem is only present with the Haali splitter. MPC-HC works great.

Are you using the latest Haali Splitter (I think 12192009)?

[andyvt]

Are you using the latest Haali Splitter (I think 12192009)?

Yep. The previous rev didn't support TrueHD.

[dbone1026]

Yep. The previous rev didn't support TrueHD.

Yeah, just curious since I have heard people have issues with the latest Haali. I just decided to avoid Haali altogether and use MatroskaSplitter.ax instead.

[Skinleech]

The most recent version doesn't work with TrueHD for me either (using a Xonar in case you're not aware) so it seems to be a bug in Haali. I just stick to the MPC-HC splitter.

[nightfly]

The most recent version doesn't work with TrueHD for me either (using a Xonar in case you're not aware) so it seems to be a bug in Haali. I just stick to the MPC-HC splitter.

Do you have seeking issues (loss of audio, lip sync issues on seamless BD playback) with that splitter on THD titles?

[andyvt]

The most recent version doesn't work with TrueHD for me either (using a Xonar in case you're not aware) so it seems to be a bug in Haali. I just stick to the MPC-HC splitter.

It was working with build 3200.

[STr1t]

First of all, thanks to all for doing DTS-HD, PCM and Dolby True HD is possible for bistreaming, especially to albain!

I have successfully bitstreamed DTS-HD but there is lipsync issues.
When I try to write something in bitstream delay field I can hear nothing. There is no sound when anything is written in this field.
May be there have to be some special options in MPC/ffdshow/etc for running this function?
I have seen this problem at 3251/3254 ffdshow.
I'm using ATi 5870 @ Realtek 2.39

Thank you.

[albain]

It was working with build 3200.

Interesting

Let's narrow down to the faulty revision

I will make a few builds tomorrow and post the links here

Then you'll be able to tell me which one is working or not

Thanks

[st0niMah0ni]

Hi guys.
I found out some weird thing.

actually I am using
Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86), svn 1597
ffdshow tryouts project, svn 3254 (x86)
on Windows 7 x64 + Asus Xonar 1.3 Slim

I have disabled the internal audio switcher from mpc.
checked matroska in "internal filters" option menue

Threw in 1 DTS-HD-MA 5.1 Track into a x264 encoded MKV.

The result, I got perfect Bitstreaming on my AVR. I jumped forward and backward and the playback was more then fine!

But now the strange part, Iam not able to bistream anymore when I add a second Audio into the mkv.

Using Haali results in No Audio.

When I dont use Haali but the mpc's internal splitter it plays both tracks, enabling the "audio switcher" in mpc-hc is not possible for me as it breaks my bitstreaming on my Xonar.

Does anybody have a solution for this?

I mean its great having dts-hd-ma bitstreamed in mkv :) really great , but its only possible with 1 audio track for me...

Thanks for any replies..

greetz

[albain]

@Andy

Here is a test build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3240_20100130_dbt_dxva_subs.exe)

This build is closer to 3200 behaviour

Let me know if it changes anything

@st0niMah0ni
If you disable the audio switcher, this is normal that you loose the access to the other audio streams.
However it means that the audio switcher breaks the forward/backward playback.

But I think that this only concerns the xonar, right ?
Also, I don't understand why Haali (the latest version) wouldn't work (it does work with ATIs as far as I remember)

[Skinleech]

Do you have seeking issues (loss of audio, lip sync issues on seamless BD playback) with that splitter on THD titles?

I get loss of audio on THD, but it usually comes back after skipping back a chapter. I've not tried any of albain's latest revisions yet though.

I don't play BD disks via MPC though, just mkv remuxes.

[qpel]

ffdshow virtualdub plugin broken nothing works

[gts24]

Clarkdale setup here:

specs:
ASUS P7H55-M
Intel Core i5-650
4gb gskill


HDMI directly to Denon 2310

I followed this guide: http://dbone1026.blogspot.com/2009/10/setting-up-codecs-for-7mc.html

I'm on win7 x64 using 7MC. I'm using ffdshow tryouts v 3254
Here's my ffdshow settings: http://i45.tinypic.com/25jcfvk.jpg
It was suggested that I check the box next to "connect as pcm first" that only caused NO video or audio to show up at all.

I've got some m2ts and mkv content with both DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD audio tracks.

One thing that I am noticing is that when I first fire up a file (m2ts or mkv) it lights up the HD stuff on my receiver just fine, but then i get NO audio unless i "skip forward" or ffw.

Now the odd thing is, if i click STOP , then come back in and restart the movie from the beginning audio works great. Then if i go to a different lossless file they work as well, first click.
(so basically start one lossless file, it doesn't play audio, then stop and back out , restart it or any other file and everything works fine)
****although after further investigation sometimes I do end up having to stop and restart lossless files no matter what.

In the end though, it seems like if we can get past the point of having to stop and restart a file to get sound working, ffdshow seems to be working great otherwise.

I would love to help this project in any way I can. Please let me know what I can do to assist here or let me know what settings I have wrong.

[albain]

Please try the build that I posted a few posts ago (it is a 32 bits build

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien :)

Sympa the interview :)
Thx,
Seb.

[gts24]

Please try the build that I posted a few posts ago (it is a 32 bits build

I should have mentioned earlier that I am using ffdshow tryouts version 3254 x64.

Do you have a link to an x64 test build?

[st0niMah0ni]

@st0niMah0ni
If you disable the audio switcher, this is normal that you loose the access to the other audio streams.
However it means that the audio switcher breaks the forward/backward playback.

But I think that this only concerns the xonar, right ?
Also, I don't understand why Haali (the latest version) wouldn't work (it does work with ATIs as far as I remember)

Hi, thx for reply.
I dont know why the latest Haali doesnt work, allready reinstalled it a few times. But if I use haali I dont get sound out of my AVR.

Its showing Truehd and DTS-HD of course, but no sound out of the boxes.
Only the MPC-HC splitter works for me.

And as you suggested , I am a xonar user, so I need to disable the internal audio switcher, if not it will connect to my directsound audio render which is not working with xonar, as far as I know.

greetz and thx

[andyvt]

@Andy

Here is a test build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3240_20100130_dbt_dxva_subs.exe)

This build is closer to 3200 behaviour

Let me know if it changes anything



It has the same behavior as the later builds (doesn't work w/ haali).

I was looking at the source for the filter and noticed that the audio filter does include


{ &MEDIATYPE_Audio , &MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_TRUEHD },
{ &MEDIATYPE_Audio , &MEDIASUBTYPE_DTS_HD}


in its registration. I made a patch (attached), but it includes some changes I made for personal use so you may not want to use it.

Thanks

[liquidskin76]

@Albain,

Thanks for all your hard work with hd audio bitstreaming and dxva!

I've been testing a Xonar Slim (using MKV files) and i'm seeing TrueHD dropouts, plus random no TrueHD audio after chapter seeking. Are these known to you for the Xonar or did you think they were ATI only?

Thanks

[mackworth]

http://mike-m.org/myimages/DTS.jpg

Thanks guys! I played that Hell Boy Clip and it played perfectly on my 5670 running through MPC-HC and ffdshow (don't have reclock installed).

When people get dropouts, how often do they get them? SHould I have run into the problem running that short clip?

[nightfly]

For ATI users, there's still some drop-out issues that are due to ATI drivers.

For Xonar users (using my config at least) I am getting perfect playback/seeking and no-dropouts using build rev3231. I haven't tested more recent builds.

[markrb]

I am running http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33958721 ATI Beta drivers with my 5670 and I do not notice any dropouts with 3254 except maybe with Star Trek. I believe these are the 10.2 Beta, but they were leaked before 10.1 was officially released.

[kjoy064]

Hi guys, i've got the latest build and i can get dtshd-ma audio sounding good but my video is very slow and choppy. this is in mkv container.

any idea's?

playing a BD iso works flawlessly with both Truehd & DTSHD so only in MKV

[imel6]

Thanks for all the efforts getting bitstreaming to work! I have an ATI 5750, an Onkyo 607 and use the latest MPC-HC and FFDshow on Windows 7. I can bitstream successfully with all formats but with some issues. Audio can take a bit before it starts playing. Switching between files (audio formats) requires me to power cycle the receiver often (I notice the dts-ma logo remains on the avr even after playback stops). Often, there is crackling and distortion during playback. Finally, I often have severe distortion and channel playback sometimes gets swapped (front channels playing through rears etc). I have tried a mpc-hc and kmplayer with several different codecs including multiple generations of ati drivers, mpc-hc versions and ffdshow drivers.

Any tips are great. thx

[nightfly]

Just a heads up for other Xonar users - the latest build on SF, rev3251, has troubles with THD titles - the movie often refuses to play, I get audio dropouts, lip sync problems, and often no audio at all. Jumping around in the movie timeline sometimes fixes the video playback, but I still get no audio and when I do, there is lip sync delay. I basically restarted several times, started from the beginning and it won't playback with audio. This was with my "stable" setup using the AS splitter as well as with the MPC splitter.

Reverted back to rev3239_beta2 from page 70 and all is perfect again - can start/stop/fwd/rew with no issues and no loss of audio or lip sync using the AS demuxer, infrequent loss of audio when using the MPC-HC standalone mpeg2 splitter (but never any lip sync delay).