ffdshow tryout project : HD audio discussion [Archive] - Page 12

kkozma

17th December 2009, 20:58

Point well taken. sigh. I was trying to fight for the 4xxx people. Hey, lazy 4xxx people, get a damn 5xxx card! :p LOL :D

Sure.. Give me the $140 and I'd love to. :p I'll probably get one of the 5550's when they come out, but right now, I'm stuck with the 4550.

Besides, you can force ffdshow to load in TMT2, so getting this to work would be epic for me as I wouldn't have to buy TMT3 if they ever decide to support ATI and I refuse to give cyberlink a single penny of my money.

Any reports on the 9.12 drivers allowing these media types on the 4xxx cards yet?

whurlston

17th December 2009, 21:05

The MPC renderer didn't change much since the beginning (well it depends from when) : I adapted the buffers size on the stream type, and implemented dynamic change of format. I don't have the original builds of it but someone committed for me the first working code of the MPC renderer in MPC subversion

I found where mcorbo posted logs when he got the TrueHD light with the 4xxx:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1332952&postcount=8461

Hope it helps. I'm quite happy with using the 5xxx series now, I just want to see if this can be done. :D

tetsuo55

17th December 2009, 21:06

just installed 9.12

they fixed my losing bitstreaming SD audio on seek.
HD audio still the same.

Also Dolby Digital Plus is visable as a supported audio format, but falls back to software decoding when i try it.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 21:08

I paid a lot more than 140 USD for my 5870. :p But yes, I know, I was just saying that in jest.

And the Cat 9.12 driver didn't change the HDMI driver, so, that won't help you.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 21:09

tetsuo55

17th December 2009, 21:11

Really? It shows the same version of that driver as what's in 9.11. That's really odd!The driver is dated 1-12-2009 for me

EDIT:

Seems the realtek driver stayed, so it must be the hdmi video driver that fixed the seeking

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 21:12

Hmm. I guess I'll uninstall the realtek and install it then. See if it changed anything for the 5xxx cards.

tetsuo55

17th December 2009, 21:13

i edited my post, look.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 21:17

Oh sure. :p Well, I'm installing it anyway to see if anything's changed. Will most likely go back to the realtek driver anyway.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 21:18

No, nothing changed. Definitely going to back to the realtek now.

whurlston

17th December 2009, 21:19

The driver is dated 1-12-2009 for me

EDIT:

Seems the realtek driver stayed, so it must be the hdmi video driver that fixed the seeking

I had to install the drver manually but it still reverted back to the old ATI driver. I then manually updated again and selected "Let me choose the driver..." and selected the 12/1 version and it asked me to verify because it was not garanteed to work.

FYI, the 12/1 driver now lists all formats on the 4670 as well, same as the Realtek.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 21:20

Sebastiii

17th December 2009, 21:42

One question about the audio renderer:

How does the clock work? You know, the audio renderer is usually the one providing the graph's clock and it's important that the clock works "correctly". Basically your clock should depend on the audio hardware and *not* on the system clock. It is possible (even probable) that the audio renderer's clock deviates slightly from the system clock, because the audio hardware's internal clock is usually never perfectly in sync with the system clock. So does your audio renderer use the system clock or the audio hardware clock?

It's maybe the case for me, i must use Video Decoder with DXVA otherise, the sound blip blop and not fine.

Sorry, but i try to explain and i think it's not very good.
Thx,
Seb.

kkozma

17th December 2009, 22:04

Huh. That's weird. I don't think I wanna mess with that. :) I wonder if it's literally the same driver as the realtek one.

The realtek driver is dated 12/1/2009 and is version 6.0.1.5992 in the driver details.

The driver could very well be the same, however there's lots of other stuff that gets installed, so maybe ATI just makes some changes to how it handles different media types, etc etc.

Next question, when I try to register albains mpc audio renderer I get an error that says "Failed- The specific module could not be found". What am I doing wrong?

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 22:07

The driver could very well be the same, however there's lots of other stuff that gets installed, so maybe they made some changes to how it handles different media types, etc etc.

Could be. I have 9.12 with the realtek driver installed and I'm quite happy with this arrangement.

Next question, when I try to register albains mpc audio renderer I get an error that says "Failed- The specific module could not be found". What am I doing wrong?

How are you trying to register it? I do it from an admin prompt and use regsvr32. It can't be done from a cmd prompt or app that doesn't have admin privs if you're using UAC.

kkozma

17th December 2009, 22:35

I'm in XP, no UAC. :)

I also can't get it to install the new driver no matter what I do... I've installed and uninstalled 3 times now. It keeps reverting back to the 11/16 driver. Guess it's time for drivercleaner.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 22:39

Wait a minute here. You're in XP??? NOTHING that I know of bitstreams in XP. I've not seen anyone have any success at all.

kkozma

17th December 2009, 22:46

Yep.. XP. Why wouldn't it?

I'm waiting on the guys over at MediaPortal to get their stuff together on MP1.1 for win7. They're close, but still kinda far away.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 22:49

Why wouldn't it? Because none of the commercial players support XP at all for bitstreaming. Hell, they barely work on Vista! :D I've not seen anyone get bitstreaming working in XP, but, I guess I could be wrong if you take PAP out of the equation (XP doesn't support PAP at all). Um, good luck? :)

kkozma

17th December 2009, 22:53

LOL!!!

Don't get me wrong, if I could get MediaPortal working stable with windows 7, I'd be running it. I have the disc upstairs that I've had since win7 launched and it's driving me nuts waiting. From where I stand, win7 absolutely blows XP away.

At this point, I'm at a wall anyways. The HDMI Audio installer tells me the installed version is out of date, but it refuses to install anything newer than the 11/16 driver.

I just tried The Dark Knight in MPC which is TrueHD and got regular DD.

SamuriHL

17th December 2009, 22:57

rica

18th December 2009, 00:05

So guys, you say no progress on EDID stuff with new drivers?

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 00:07

We're waiting for this:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst912Hotfix.aspx

But so far it's nothing but file not found when we go to download it.

rica

18th December 2009, 00:20

The same day a non-available hotfix when the new version just released : weird :devil:

kkozma

18th December 2009, 00:29

Yea, that's not good. XP just isn't up to the task of modern HTPC duties IMO. We had this discussion on AVS earlier. At least you're on board with switching to 7 when it's possible for you, so, that's good. You'll have MUCH more success with 7.

I ran windows 7 and LOVED it for about a week and was even willing to put up with the bugs that mediaportal had until it missed a recording that I had scheduled. When I had to explain to my 5 year old that daddy's computer didn't record merry madagascar, that was the straw that broke the back.

Anyways, it looks as if ATI screwed up their package for the 9.12 XP HDMI. The one that's in the package is dated 11/16. Maybe the hotfix will help, who knows. I tried every HD format I have a disc for (DTS HD, TrueHD, DD+, and 5.1PCM) and they all defaulted to regular DD 5.1. Oh well. It was worth a shot.

nightfly

18th December 2009, 00:41

SIGH. You can NOT bitstream over analog. Period. Anything sent analog MUST be decoded first. That is not bitstreaming. That's what Andy was saying. Setting the Xonar to "speakers" is not the same as using analog output.

Bad day? Well, I never said you can bitstream over analog - that makes no sense. Only that you can have your windows config set to speakers and STILL bitstream.

rjgn

18th December 2009, 00:43

We're waiting for this:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst912Hotfix.aspx

But so far it's nothing but file not found when we go to download it.

It's up, grabbing it now.

davinleeds

18th December 2009, 00:54

Xonar works with XP(32), if that's an option. 7 is the future, particularly for items addressed here.

Andy o

18th December 2009, 00:56

The actual 9.12 (non-hotfix) drives are up as well, I wonder if there's any difference.

davinleeds

18th December 2009, 00:58

How would this hotfix affect ATI driver if you updated to the Realtek HDMI driver? Should I uninstall Realtek?

Andy o

18th December 2009, 00:59

Bad day? Well, I never said you can bitstream over analog - that makes no sense. Only that you can have your windows config set to speakers and STILL bitstream.

Then you should have read again my post (the one you quoted) and the post I was responding to.

TMT3 with the Xonar, BTW accesses the hidden HDMI device directly for bitstreaming HD audio. Last time I checked (been a while) Speakers or "digital" (SPDIF) didn't make a difference, cause the stream wasn't being sent to either (when bitstreaming HD audio)/.

davinleeds

18th December 2009, 01:03

The actual 9.12 (non-hotfix) drives are up as well, I wonder if there's any difference.

Release notes were more specific to PDVD issues IIRC

kkozma

18th December 2009, 01:07

Holy crap, is it really 180 megs??

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:14

I ran windows 7 and LOVED it for about a week and was even willing to put up with the bugs that mediaportal had until it missed a recording that I had scheduled. When I had to explain to my 5 year old that daddy's computer didn't record merry madagascar, that was the straw that broke the back.

Anyways, it looks as if ATI screwed up their package for the 9.12 XP HDMI. The one that's in the package is dated 11/16. Maybe the hotfix will help, who knows. I tried every HD format I have a disc for (DTS HD, TrueHD, DD+, and 5.1PCM) and they all defaulted to regular DD 5.1. Oh well. It was worth a shot.

Definitely worth a shot. And I fully understand the missing a recording issue. Ouch. You should see my recording setup. :D

The hotfix is up now.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst912Hotfix.aspx

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:16

Bad day? Well, I never said you can bitstream over analog - that makes no sense. Only that you can have your windows config set to speakers and STILL bitstream.

Yes, you can set it to speakers and bitstream. When I was using my Xonar, that's what I had it set to. The problem with that is that DD doesn't always work. I've got several discs where the previews have no audio but the main movie bitstreams fine. :mad: This was one of the reasons I finally pulled the Xonar out of the machine and am only using the ATI now. It's ridiculous that you should have to change between digital and speakers based upon the movie content. And I don't see that getting fixed any time soon.

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:17

How would this hotfix affect ATI driver if you updated to the Realtek HDMI driver? Should I uninstall Realtek?

It doesn't seem to include the HDMI driver and didn't affect my install of the realtek one at all. I just finished installing it.

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:19

Then you should have read again my post (the one you quoted) and the post I was responding to.

TMT3 with the Xonar, BTW accesses the hidden HDMI device directly for bitstreaming HD audio. Last time I checked (been a while) Speakers or "digital" (SPDIF) didn't make a difference, cause the stream wasn't being sent to either (when bitstreaming HD audio)/.

No, it matters. Greatly. With digital you can bitstream everything, but, it breaks LPCM. With speakers, you can do LPCM and bitstream the HD audio codecs, but, DD/DTS is a crapshoot as to whether it'll work. It NEVER works in 7MC for DD, at least for some of us. It really got old fast trying to figure out what combination works with what and having to switch all the time. Whoever designed that audio setup is an idiot.

davinleeds

18th December 2009, 01:19

I'm thinking it may resolve my AVR issue, but I like the bitstreaming lpcm of MPC (biting nails). I'll leave it for now :)

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:21

I'm thinking it may resolve my AVR issue, but I like the bitstreaming lpcm of MPC (biting nails). I'll leave it for now :)

It won't change that. You should install it to see if you have some weird EDID thing going on. That's what this hotfix is for. It's more than just PDVD9. The ATI driver doesn't parse some EDID info correctly for some receivers. In theory, that's now fixed.

Andy o

18th December 2009, 01:21

No, it matters. Greatly. With digital you can bitstream everything, but, it breaks LPCM. With speakers, you can do LPCM and bitstream the HD audio codecs, but, DD/DTS is a crapshoot as to whether it'll work. It NEVER works in 7MC for DD, at least for some of us. It really got old fast trying to figure out what combination works with what and having to switch all the time. Whoever designed that audio setup is an idiot.

I meant only for streaming HD codecs, since in that case TMT connects directly to the HDMI device. For LPCM there's no direct connection or exclusive mode, so I would expect the setting to matter then.

kkozma

18th December 2009, 01:24

Well, it's apparent ATI has no intentions of bettering their XP driver at all... Same driver in the hotfix for xp. Absolutely no difference what so ever.

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:25

I meant only for streaming HD codecs, since in that case TMT connects directly to the HDMI device. For LPCM there's no direct connection or exclusive mode, so I would expect the setting to matter then.

That also wasn't always the case. :) For a time TMT3 could only use one or the other (don't remember which). It was a mess when it first came out. The driver has improved, but, it's still ridiculous to have 2 settings like that. Unify the damn thing. It can't be that hard.

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:26

Well, it's apparent ATI has no intentions of bettering their XP driver at all... Same driver in the hotfix for xp. Absolutely no difference what so ever.

I'm not overly shocked on that one. XP is unfortunately a bit past its prime these days. I know, I know..doesn't help you. :)

Andy o

18th December 2009, 01:28

Well, it's apparent ATI has no intentions of bettering their XP driver at all... Same driver in the hotfix for xp. Absolutely no difference what so ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTlm1ZEYvo8

kkozma

18th December 2009, 01:30

I'm not overly shocked on that one. XP is unfortunately a bit past its prime these days. I know, I know..doesn't help you. :)

Yup. Guess I'll either have to give 7 another shot or wait for the 10.1 driver next month.

SamuriHL

18th December 2009, 01:32

Yup. Guess I'll either have to give 7 another shot or wait for the 10.1 driver next month.

I'm pretty sure 10.1 isn't going to help much. :)

Andy o

18th December 2009, 01:47

OK I finally got around to make a log with 4670, beta 54 and MPC renderer. Realtek 2.39 and Catalyst 9.11.

http://pastebin.com/f557e813c

rica

18th December 2009, 01:57

Hotfix results: (On a 1910 Denon AVR)

PDVD9:

No third option at all, it just gives core dts and ac3 for DTSHD and THD.

ffdshow 54:

THD:
gives only core ac3 with any renderer.

DTSHD-MA:
gives HD bitstreaming with Default Direct Sound Device.

So finally gonna restore to where i was before.

I think Xmas vacation has already begun for Ati guys but not for EDID stuff :p