ffdshow tryout project : HD audio discussion

[piit]

...with more retards like you.

Man, do you always have to be insulting? Not a great example of netiquette.

[albain]

Man, do you always have to be insulting? Not a great example of netiquette.

Please, stop


@Sebastii : there is something I really don't understand with your logs

TMT logs are fine and match with the uploaded sample but neither FFDShow+ATI or FFDShow+Xonar logs.
I can't find any piece of buffer from the sample.
Could you recheck ?

However, the logs you sent me before I posted the last FFDShow fix (rev 3201) on THD were fine (except that the buffers were not aligned)

Thanks

[renethx]

Also it runs in exclusive mode, even when there's no bitstream-able audio (like flac), which doesn't work with 24-bit sources.
I guess you are using madFlac Decoder. ffdshow (32-bit output for ATI+Realtek) + MPC Audio Renderer is an all-in-one audio solution: TrueHD/DTS-HD/DD/DTS bistreaming and bit-perfect LPCM for all the other audio formats.

[albain]

Here is a new build (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xjgimzmgzdq/ffdshow_rev3212_20100122_dbt_bitstream_fix_beta1.exe)

No fix but a new audio delay option in the output section

It works fine in analog mode, to be tested in numeric mode (SPDIF/HDMI), especially with TrueHD streams

PS : this build contains development code on DXVA side. It should be used only for testing purpose

[THX-UltraII]

On-going bitstream problems here with my 5670.

Tried the EDID Tulli override, but it does not solve my bitstream problems. An additional problem with the Tulli override was that @50 Hz my ATI settings could not be set to 1920@1080 but only a lower resolution was possible.

So last night I did a complete format of my HDD and a fresh Windows7 x64 installatiob to MAKE SURE everything is set up properly.

So I installed everything again:

- ATI official 5670 RC3 package
- Realtek R2.39 HDMI audio driver
- latest ffsdhow svn3212 (checked all the bitstream boxes)
- latest MPC-HC svn1540
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC
- installed the aug. 2009 DirectX update

When playing a .m2ts movie with DTS-MA signal it plays DTS (so NOT master!) fine when all bitstream boxes are checked EXCEPT DTS-MA. But when I exit the movie, CHECK the DTS-MA bitstream box and restart the movie, it goes wrong => no DTS-MA, no sound. Checking the box connect as PCM looks like it makes it a little better but still not good enough => DTS-MA is displayed on my avr but constant switches between AUTO (no signal) on my avr. Also no sound.

[Sebastiii]

Please, stop


@Sebastii : there is something I really don't understand with your logs

TMT logs are fine and match with the uploaded sample but neither FFDShow+ATI or FFDShow+Xonar logs.
I can't find any piece of buffer from the sample.
Could you recheck ?

However, the logs you sent me before I posted the last FFDShow fix (rev 3201) on THD were fine (except that the buffers were not aligned)

Thanks

Hi Damien,

Very wierd !!! because the size of log is something same.
Maybe it's the audio renderer Arcsoft because it's with it that i use with MPC-HC.

Very strange, i'll make this evening a little log to see if it's bad or not (not all the sample lol).

Big Thx :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Here is a new build (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xjgimzmgzdq/ffdshow_rev3212_20100122_dbt_bitstream_fix_beta1.exe)

No fix but a new audio delay option in the output section

It works fine in analog mode, to be tested in numeric mode (SPDIF/HDMI), especially with TrueHD streams

PS : this build contains development code on DXVA side. It should be used only for testing purpose

Great, i impatient to test it :)
thank you a lot :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

@THX-UltraII :)

Did you test with Powerdvd or Windvd ?

:)
Seb.

[THX-UltraII]

@THX-UltraII :)

Did you test with Powerdvd or Windvd ?

:)
Seb.

no, not yet. I ll try this tonight. But am I correct that PDVD does not support .m2ts files?

[THX-UltraII]

@ Albain: did you see my previous post? How do I make a log or something so that can maybe track the problems I (and probably more 5670 owners) I have?

[SamuriHL]

no, not yet. I ll try this tonight. But am I correct that PDVD does not support .m2ts files?

You'll have to convert it to an ISO. Use tsMuxer to author a BD folder structure, and ImgBurn to create an ISO from that. Then mount it with Virtual CloneDrive. I think testing with WinDVD or PDVD is very important at this point given the issues you're having.

[Andy o]

I guess you are using madFlac Decoder. ffdshow (32-bit output for ATI+Realtek) + MPC Audio Renderer is an all-in-one audio solution: TrueHD/DTS-HD/DD/DTS bistreaming and bit-perfect LPCM for all the other audio formats.

OK thanks, that makes sense, I'll try. I thought I read albain saying something to the effect that higher-than-16 bits was still not supported with MPC renderer though (and the whole LPCM "bitstreaming" issue being low priority for now).

[cyrilp]

which version did you install where it works? (dts-ma). Did you use the .inf override method also or not?

Problem with rev3200

ok with rev3160 (but not true hd)

[THX-UltraII]

You'll have to convert it to an ISO. Use tsMuxer to author a BD folder structure, and ImgBurn to create an ISO from that. Then mount it with Virtual CloneDrive. I think testing with WinDVD or PDVD is very important at this point given the issues you're having.

And can I theoretically make all my content (.m2ts, .mkv, .wmv) compatible for PDVD with this (tsMuxer/Imageburn/VCD) method?

[SamuriHL]

And can I theoretically make all my content (.m2ts, .mkv, .wmv) compatible for PDVD with this (tsMuxer/Imageburn/VCD) method?

Don't know about wmv, but, m2ts and mkv for sure.

[Sebastiii]

Hi, i think the bad log is because Arcsoft Renderer was wrong register.
I reregister it and now like directsoound or other it crash when try to log MPC-HC and Dumptool.
So i don't know why :(
Seb.

[jimwhite]

Please, stop[B]

Respectfully noted.


How do I make a log or something so that can maybe track the problems I (and probably more 5670 owners) I have?

I believe that in reading this thread (yes, the whole thing) and the previous one which spun this off (again the whole thing) this question has been answered numerous times.

:cool:

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

Great for delay on Bitstream :) It works good on all my test for now :) Big Thx :)
I have retested log, and with ffdshow + Arcsoft for Xonar -> don't crash. But with ATI mode (it's crash and also on Beta 54 with registry Clean) i think something happen on Drivers.
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

This is log From Xonar with TMT and FFDSHOW and the sample (i have dropout withit)

Sample :
TEST_7.1_TRUEHD (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts)

Log TMT :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR.rar)

Log MPC-HC :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar.rar)

All upload will be done in 1 hour so on 10H00 it will be ok :)

Seb :)

[Andy o]

I guess you are using madFlac Decoder. ffdshow (32-bit output for ATI+Realtek) + MPC Audio Renderer is an all-in-one audio solution: TrueHD/DTS-HD/DD/DTS bistreaming and bit-perfect LPCM for all the other audio formats.

Actually I just tested, and I had not remembered that I haven't even installed madflac. flac is being decoded with ffdshow.

I'm using MPC-HC 1453 and ffdshow 3181, and MPC audio renderer only connects for LPCM when outputting 16-bit. Was this fixed in subsequent releases?

(BTW I was wrong about having to disable audio switcher, my mistake.)

[albain]

@ Albain: did you see my previous post? How do I make a log or something so that can maybe track the problems I (and probably more 5670 owners) I have?

No I missed it, sorry

Well, I don't know if you have the dumper, otherwise PM to request it

The goal is to get logs using FFDShow and TMT using the same sample file (startrek THD sample)

[albain]

This is log From Xonar with TMT and FFDSHOW and the sample (i have dropout withit)

Sample :
TEST_7.1_TRUEHD (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts)

Log TMT :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR.rar)

Log MPC-HC :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar.rar)

All upload will be done in 1 hour so on 10H00 it will be ok :)

Seb :)

Thank you, I am downloading them right now

[Sebastiii]

Hi Albain :)
I hope the log was good :)

[nightfly]

Just in case you missed it Albain, but test builds aftger "beta5" are broken for DTS-MA (at least for my xonar setup). I get no sound for DTS-MA tracks.

Using the Beta5 build I was able to play "Terminator Salvation" with DTS-MA ok, but did have some issues. This title is one that is comprised of multiple M2TS files played back seamlessly via MPC.

For this title and Beta5, I had two issues: jumping back would cause audio to be lost until I jumped forward; audio would get out-of-sync with the video often, I believe on the M2TS transitions (from file to file). More testing is needed.

[cheetah111]

Although I still don't have an amplifier capable of decoding HD sound formats, I intend to buy one in the near future.
So, I would like to thank albain, madshi, samuriHL, Sebastii and all the rest for all the great work you have done.
Keep making us happy. I believe you can overcome any obstacle that you will encounter.

[Skinleech]

Just in case you missed it Albain, but test builds aftger "beta5" are broken for DTS-MA (at least for my xonar setup). I get no sound for DTS-MA tracks.

Using the Beta5 build I was able to play "Terminator Salvation" with DTS-MA ok, but did have some issues. This title is one that is comprised of multiple M2TS files played back seamlessly via MPC.

For this title and Beta5, I had two issues: jumping back would cause audio to be lost until I jumped forward; audio would get out-of-sync with the video often, I believe on the M2TS transitions (from file to file). More testing is needed.

I have issues with DTS-HD MA too, on not the latest beta, but the one previous. This one:

ffdshow_rev3200_20100112_dbt_thd_fix_beta1

It seems that the DTS-HD tracks play faster than the movie, so they're garbled & messy sounding, as well as cutting out. The receiver is getting a DTS-HD MA signal though.

Any thoughts? Logs needed I assume?

[albain]

@Skinleech, @nightfly
Okay, would it be possible to get the official working & non working revisions ? (easier to narrow down)

@Sebastii
Thanks, the logs are fine, I found out that the buffers are not identical, so this should be easier to fix now

[Skinleech]

Sure thing - I'll get onto it as soon as I can. I plan on trying the last version you posted just to see. Is there an easy place to get earlier versions of the builds you've made to date?

[SamuriHL]

@Skinleech, @nightfly
Okay, would it be possible to get the official working & non working revisions ? (easier to narrow down)

@Sebastii
Thanks, the logs are fine, I found out that the buffers are not identical, so this should be easier to fix now

Sweet! I'm glad you found a difference. I hope this leads to a fix.

[albain]

Sure thing - I'll get onto it as soon as I can. I plan on trying the last version you posted just to see. Is there an easy place to get earlier versions of the builds you've made to date?

Thanks, you can get any official revision from xvidvideo.ru website

[PatkIllA]

Is it possible the changes have broken passthrough of the dts core in dts HD streams? I don't get any sound on those files since upgrading to a recent version of ffdshow?

I'm using a Radeon 4850 and want to have dts core bitstreaming until my 5850 arrives (orderer 2.5 months ago)

[Skinleech]

Thanks, you can get any official revision from xvidvideo.ru website

Hi albain.

Rev 3195 works fine, but 3200 and 3212 do not - DTS-HD MA lights up, but I get no sound to begin with, then when chapter skipping I get garbled sound with dropouts.

[albain]

Hi albain.

Rev 3195 works fine, but 3200 and 3212 do not - DTS-HD MA lights up, but I get no sound to begin with, then when chapter skipping I get garbled sound with dropouts.

Thank you

There is just a check that has been added since which is "if it is not a bitstream format, don't check the audio device capabilities".
So if there is a drawback, it is probably located in the first phase where the stream is detected as DTS

Could you send me debugview logs on both rev 3195 and 3200 ?
This would help me a lot to understand what's going wrong (I can't test on my side, receiver on repair)

Thanks


@PatkIllA
The revision 3200 (and higher) that brings a better compatibility with DTS and AC3 core might have broken DTS-HD bitstream.
Please test it or help me like Skinleech to narrow down which revision works/doesn't work : revision 3200 first, then revision 3195

Thanks


Otherwise this morning I am working on Seb's logs, the goal is : fixing TrueHD bitstream definitely

[Skinleech]

Thank you

There is just a check that has been added since which is "if it is not a bitstream format, don't check the audio device capabilities".
So if there is a drawback, it is probably located in the first phase where the stream is detected as DTS

Could you send me debugview logs on both rev 3195 and 3200 ?
This would help me a lot to understand what's going wrong (I can't test on my side, receiver on repair)

Thanks

No problem albain. I will try my best to get these to you later on today but I have a pretty busy schedule

Thanks as always for your hard work.

[Skinleech]

Rev 3195: http://pastebin.com/m14c4210f
Rev 3200: http://pastebin.com/m26589ca5

It's the same 25 seconds approx of the same movie.

Good hunting!

[albain]

Rev 3195: http://pastebin.com/m14c4210f
Rev 3200: http://pastebin.com/m26589ca5

It's the same 25 seconds approx of the same movie.

Good hunting!

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

[SamuriHL]

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

Thanks, albain. As always your work is GREATLY appreciated!

[nightfly]

Thanks, albain. As always your work is GREATLY appreciated!

Indeed!

I'll retest with latest for DTS-MA.

[Sebastiii]

Great :) thank you :) Albain and good luck on TrueHD :)

[PatkIllA]

@PatkIllA
The revision 3200 (and higher) that brings a better compatibility with DTS and AC3 core might have broken DTS-HD bitstream.
Please test it or help me like Skinleech to narrow down which revision works/doesn't work : revision 3200 first, then revision 3195
I have installed several builds from sourceforge now.
3154 still works both with decoding to pcm and passthrough of the core.
3164 is already broken. I don't get any sound when set to passthrough and when decoding to pcm the video is about twice as fast and the sound is pitched.

[Skinleech]

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

:)

Thank you kindly. I'll be testing that tomorrow then.

Superb work as per usual...

[THX-UltraII]

Realtek released their r2.41 HD audio driver. http://downloads.guru3d.com/Realtek-HD-Audio-2.41-Driver-download-2462.html

Going to try this tonight to see if it solves my bitstream problems

[tetsuo55]

Realtek released their r2.41 HD audio driver. http://downloads.guru3d.com/Realtek-HD-Audio-2.41-Driver-download-2462.html

Going to try this tonight to see if it solves my bitstream problemsdid they merge the hdmi driver into the main packadge?

[THX-UltraII]

did they merge the hdmi driver into the main packadge?

o, wait a minute. This is not the HDMI driver you say?

[tetsuo55]

o, wait a minute. This is not the HDMI driver you say?

ATI HDMI Audio Device R2.39 2009/12/15 17435k
http://www.realtek.com.tw/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false

looks like the hdmi one has not been updated.

[Andy o]

Yeah, that's the way it goes. It confuses a lot of people. The HDMI audio driver catches up every several versions.

[cyrilp]

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

Where can i download this new version ?

i did'nt find it on http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/files/

thank you, merci.

Cyril

[Skinleech]

Look at xvidvideo.ru, it should be there I think.

If not, I'm nor sure.

[aerodown]

Where can i download this new version ?

i did'nt find it on http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/files/

thank you, merci.

Cyril

ffdshow_rev3227_20100126 (http://www.mediafire.com/?ednmczggmmw)

[nightfly]

Here's the link:

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

However, the latest build there is 3217 on 1-22 - don't know why 3227 is not up there.