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albain

8th January 2010, 18:46

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 18:46

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 18:48

Hi,

this is kind of off topic but google wasn't friendly

On my ATI 5750 (had also the problem on the radeon 3670) when windows is started, if I switch off my Onkyo 606 (where it is connected to through HDMI) and switch it on after a while, the screen remains black.
I tried everything : standby/resume, several off/on of the receiver.
Sometimes the signal comes back, but most of the time I have to force the PC to power off.

Sometimes also upon restart, after the boot logo the screen goes to black and does not come back.

I read somewhere that this was specific to ATI and nvidia didn't suffer that problem.

Do you experience the same problem and found a solution ?

Thanks

PS : the DTS-HD fix + DXVA are committed to subversion (revision 3186) !

Damien

Oh ******************!! Albain, this is the EXACT problem I was afraid of and why I got a new receiver. This is how it starts. In short, your HDMI daughter board is fried and will get worse and worse and worse as the weeks go by. Son of a b!tch!!! :( If you need a link to see more about this problem let me know. It *SUCKS*!

EDIT:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141824

There's the link that details this problem. My 606 is sitting on the floor of my living room waiting for me to send it out to my nearest repair shop (several states away) and hope to God they actually fix it and send it back. This is why I got the Pio Elite.

albain

8th January 2010, 19:23

Oh ******************!! Albain, this is the EXACT problem I was afraid of and why I got a new receiver. This is how it starts. In short, your HDMI daughter board is fried and will get worse and worse and worse as the weeks go by. Son of a b!tch!!! :( If you need a link to see more about this problem let me know. It *SUCKS*!

EDIT:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141824

There's the link that details this problem. My 606 is sitting on the floor of my living room waiting for me to send it out to my nearest repair shop (several states away) and hope to God they actually fix it and send it back. This is why I got the Pio Elite.

I hope that this isn't what you describe :mad:
Actually I always had that problem and I thought this came from the ATI. Besides I don't have handshake problems on the other inputs (cablebox, ps3), and it only occurs after switching off the receiver or when rebooting after the logo screen (which appears).
I still suspect that the ATI outputs the signal on another output.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 19:28

I hope that this isn't what you describe :mad:
Actually I always had that problem and I thought this came from the ATI. Besides I don't have handshake problems on the other inputs (cablebox, ps3), and it only occurs after switching off the receiver or when rebooting after the logo screen (which appears).
I still suspect that the ATI outputs the signal on another output.

I didn't either....at first. I originally thought it was the Xonar + ATI that was causing the problem. Then I went to the 5870 and I had handshaking issues and figured "oh, must be an ATI issue, I'll create an EDID override to stop it". Um, no. It was ONLY doing it on that one port. Then, just before Xmas, it started happening on my 360 port. And then a few days later, another port. But for the longest time it was only the one. And this is EXACTLY what other people report happening, as well. Oh, and it only "seems" to happen with 1080p at first, too. So, cable boxes, not a problem as we're only doing 1080i. My cable box never developed an issue. But my PS3 and 360 did...eventually. Also, as soon as I plugged the Pio in, ALL my handshaking issues went away instantly. Even the Xonar + ATI works perfectly from ANY state now. In short, it all just works with the Pio. The onkyo...not so much.

STaRGaZeR

8th January 2010, 19:45

And in a perfect world I would have control over all my video output but unfortunately I don't see a lot of web based players giving you the option on how video is decoded or rendered. If a graphics card can't handle a proper conversion to RGB, something that should be pretty freeking basic, then I can't use it.

Web based players don't use DirectShow, nor the graphics card for the YCbCr-->RGB conversion AFAIK...

albain

8th January 2010, 19:46

I didn't either....at first. I originally thought it was the Xonar + ATI that was causing the problem. Then I went to the 5870 and I had handshaking issues and figured "oh, must be an ATI issue, I'll create an EDID override to stop it". Um, no. It was ONLY doing it on that one port. Then, just before Xmas, it started happening on my 360 port. And then a few days later, another port. But for the longest time it was only the one. And this is EXACTLY what other people report happening, as well. Oh, and it only "seems" to happen with 1080p at first, too. So, cable boxes, not a problem as we're only doing 1080i. My cable box never developed an issue. But my PS3 and 360 did...eventually. Also, as soon as I plugged the Pio in, ALL my handshaking issues went away instantly. Even the Xonar + ATI works perfectly from ANY state now. In short, it all just works with the Pio. The onkyo...not so much.

Oh, crap... thanks for your input anyway, this will avoid me to search everywhere in the web !

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 19:53

Oh, crap... thanks for your input anyway, this will avoid me to search everywhere in the web !

Yea, sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this one. Have you had it 12-14 months? That appears to be when it starts happening and fits when I first started having problems with mine.

DigitalDeviant

8th January 2010, 19:58

Web based players don't use DirectShow, nor the graphics card for the YCbCr-->RGB conversion AFAIK...

Well, I get poor chroma in flash video with my HD3650 and not with my 9600GT. Again, if it does not do proper chroma upsampling, I do not want it. I'd rather my video card work properly for basic video before I worry about audio. If this is still an issue with 5xxx cards will stick with my current card and wait for any bugs with the Xonar cards to be worked out. If no one here knows right off hand I'll post the question in the PC hardware forum so this doesn't get too off topic.

mikelebron

8th January 2010, 19:58

I say get a Pioneer Ellite VSX 23/21 so we can be one big Pioneer/ATI bit streaming family...

Oh, crap... thanks for your input anyway, this will avoid me to search everywhere in the web !

nightfly

8th January 2010, 20:05

Also happens with the ATI. This seems...bad.

Seb, you don't by chance have this movie do you? Star Trek 2009? If so, can you create a dump of both TMT3 and ffdshow on it so we can maybe see if there are any differences like we did for DTS-HD MA?

THANK!!

Thanks. I know now it's just not me. Let me know how I can help. I know how to enable logging in ffdshow, but I didn't see anything useful/suspect it the output. I am going to try to find a way to extract a few minutes of the beginning of the movie and post it for testing.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 20:07

Thanks. I know now it's just not me. Let me know how I can help. I know how to enable logging in ffdshow, but I didn't see anything useful/suspect it the output. I am going to try to find a way to extract a few minutes of the beginning of the movie and post it for testing.

It's not a debugging log we're looking for. Seb has the ability to dump the contents of the buffer for TMT3 and ffdshow. When he did that last time albain discovered the DTS-HD MA problem and was able to fix it. I'm hoping that something like that can be found for this, although it only seems to happen with this one title. BUT, nonetheless, it's NOT happening with PDVD9 or TMT3, so, clearly there's a difference somewhere.

nightfly

8th January 2010, 20:34

It's not a debugging log we're looking for. Seb has the ability to dump the contents of the buffer for TMT3 and ffdshow. When he did that last time albain discovered the DTS-HD MA problem and was able to fix it. I'm hoping that something like that can be found for this, although it only seems to happen with this one title. BUT, nonetheless, it's NOT happening with PDVD9 or TMT3, so, clearly there's a difference somewhere.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I discovered that TSSplitter can do the job and made two files @~700MB each for testing. Uploading them now and will post back with the links.

STaRGaZeR

8th January 2010, 21:23

Well, I get poor chroma in flash video with my HD3650 and not with my 9600GT. Again, if it does not do proper chroma upsampling, I do not want it. I'd rather my video card work properly for basic video before I worry about audio. If this is still an issue with 5xxx cards will stick with my current card and wait for any bugs with the Xonar cards to be worked out. If no one here knows right off hand I'll post the question in the PC hardware forum so this doesn't get too off topic.

Gimme a link and I'll check it for you. But you should blame Adobe, not ATI or nvidia.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 21:29

You guys do know that 10.1 flash beta has GPU support, right? For HA? :) I've been using it. It rocks.

Andy o

8th January 2010, 21:54

I can't get either flash or silverlight (which kills Netflix for me) to play smoothly, especially on full screen. Does HW accel fix this for flash?

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 21:55

Well I didn't have problems before so, I can't answer that definitively, but, I certainly don't have problems now. :)

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 21:56

Also happens with the ATI. This seems...bad.

Seb, you don't by chance have this movie do you? Star Trek 2009? If so, can you create a dump of both TMT3 and ffdshow on it so we can maybe see if there are any differences like we did for DTS-HD MA?

THANK!!

Hi,

I haven't :( could you make a short sample ? i don't know if it's possible.

Sorry, but i'm here to help when i got piece of movie lol :)
Thx,
Seb.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 21:57

I think he's working on that now, so, hopefully he can post up a clip that has the problem. That'd be fantastic if you can run that through the dump tool for us to look at. Thanks!!

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 22:01

Hi,

Pas cool Damien, after the mine, it's your turn :(
A quick question, what component chip have Pio and Onkyo for HDMI ? Dcdi faroudja or Anchor Bay Technologie ?
My AVR have Faroudja !
Thx.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 22:23

I'm attempting to get a 132 meg clip to you now, Seb. You'll have to convert it to ISO for use in TMT3...sorry about that. Consistently at 17 seconds I get a faint but noticeable audio dropout. Oddly if I replay it without closing MPC-HC, it doesn't happen the second time. But I'd like to see dump logs between TMT3 playing this and ffdshow playing it so we can see what's happening if anything.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 22:24

http://www.mediafire.com/?mxymzggvzmz

See if that works. Beats me as I don't do filesharing but this is just a clip of one of the studio logos before the movie starts. It contains the problem.

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 22:33

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 22:36

That'd be nice.

Were you able to grab my sample file?

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 22:37

http://www.mediafire.com/?mxymzggvzmz

See if that works. Beats me as I don't do filesharing but this is just a clip of one of the studio logos before the movie starts. It contains the problem.

Thx,

I download it :)
And i make log just after :)
Seb.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 22:38

You rock, Seb. Thanks so much!

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 22:56

Ok, i've download it,

I make BD struture with tsMuxeR_1.10.6 and after put in iso and :

SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,032. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,064. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,096. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,128. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,160. Resync stream.

I don't know if the structure was ok.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 22:58

Hmmm. I used tsMuxer to MAKE the m2ts file, so, ummm, what the??? I didn't get any errors in the log when I created it. Very odd. Do you get an audio dropout when you play it in mpc-hc? Either your BD folder structure or the original file? The logs should both be from the same source. I guess you could rename the file I gave you and overwrite the file in your BD structure. :D

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 23:01

I'll try :) let's go to log :)

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 23:25

Hi,

This is the 2 logs :)

THD_Startrek_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_Startrek_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT.zip)
and
THD_Startrek_TMT3_XONAR (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_Startrek_TMT3_XONAR.zip)

Yes i have drop out with ATI with MPC :)
Thx,
Seb.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 23:26

Thanks so much, Seb. I'll take a look. Hopefully albain is watching this and will look at it, too.

albain

8th January 2010, 23:34

Merci Seb, I'll have a look (I still didn't watch LPCM logs)

@SamuriHL : you're a medium ??? I bought my onkyo exactly 12 months ago

I'll wait to have some money to buy another one and it that case that would be better to wait for HDMI 1.4 (and 2.0 after) receivers for 3D

I've read somewhere that HDMI 1.3 would be able to transport 3D (= 2x1080p stream) but there is not enough bandwidth remaining to transport HD audio.

nightfly

8th January 2010, 23:38

Here are the links to 2 StartTrek 09 test files

~610MB

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OAE3L7FH

~300MB
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TSWWGHCP

The second should prove to be the more problematic one.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 23:38

sigh. Yea, you have the HDMI daughter board problem then. That really blows! I can honestly say I truly love my Pio Elite, but, you are right, waiting for HDMI 1.4 would be better. I'll see what the whole 3d thing is like in another year or so. I don't really want to keep upgrading stuff, and I'd need a new TV to take advantage of it anyway. I may sit out a generation or two and let the tech really flourish before I jump. Or I might be so blown away by it (um, Avatar 3D) that I decide to jump in. In any case, that sucks about your receiver.

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 23:39

Here are the links to 2 StartTrek 09 test files

~610MB

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OAE3L7FH

~300MB
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TSWWGHCP

The second should prove to be the more problematic one.

You're a little late to the party! :p I uploaded a sample that has the issue and Seb has already posted the logs for us. I'm running a comparison on the first blocks now to see if there are any differences, but, albain's WAY better at analyzing this stuff than me. :)

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 23:40

Cool,

I'll try Araxis Merge but i really noob lol because i can't see 72XXXXXXXXXXX, i have all other but not this, i think it was in setting but i'm block lol.

:) Seb.

Sebastiii

8th January 2010, 23:41

THX i download it in case of :) Thx too :)

SamuriHL

8th January 2010, 23:47

albain - There is a difference between the blocks. I'll let you determine if it matters, but, check the actual buffer contents and you'll see what I mean. Maybe this is related to why some people can't get TrueHD to work? Who knows...

Andy o

8th January 2010, 23:52

Guys I posted this at AVS. If you guys have any idea how to disable ATI Powerplay on these 5000 cards, please let me know.

Hey guys I'm trying something out. I'll explain later in more detail, but I think the dropouts and other issues like the channel switching might be due to/triggered by ATI powerplay. Anyone has any idea how to disable it to test? I have already tried this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17882979#post17882979) and it just freezes my PC. Might be different for 5000 cards.

Andy o

8th January 2010, 23:57

Good news, i hope that it's true :)

Answer from my AMD Ticket :

Response and Service Request History:
Hopefully the newer January driver release will address this issue that you are getting. Which should be next week.

Great :)
Seb.
[Emphasis mine]
Not to be a downer here, but that seems to me like they believe in fixing drivers by praying. Methinks they have no idea if this is fixed.

nightfly

8th January 2010, 23:59

You're a little late to the party! :p I uploaded a sample that has the issue and Seb has already posted the logs for us. I'm running a comparison on the first blocks now to see if there are any differences, but, albain's WAY better at analyzing this stuff than me. :)

Sorry, work called and delayed my uploading. Curious how you created your sample?

sorry for using megauploads as well, but couldn't find another offhand that would take files >200MB.

Also, I had trouble converting the 2nd sample to ISO using ClownBD, but was able to convert first and will upload upon request.

SamuriHL

9th January 2010, 00:02

Sorry, work called and delayed my uploading. Curious how you created your sample?

sorry for using megauploads as well, but couldn't find another offhand that would take files >200MB.

I used tsMuxer and used the cut function. I started 30 seconds into it and ended it at 1 minute giving a 30 second clip that contained the problem at 17 seconds. The logs show a lot of differences, but, I don't know how to interpret it, so, I have no idea if it matters or not.

Oh, and P.S. I was only giving you a hard time about the uploading. :D It wasn't a big deal for me to create the clip.

Andy o

9th January 2010, 00:13

Another duplicate post from AVS:
OK I disabled ATI Powerplay, by editing the profiles.xml file in the ATI->ACE folder similarly to what the link above described (no need to create a new profile, that doesn't work actually). Dropouts are gone with fullscreen flash video (thedailyshow.com).

It also seems to fix the DD/DTS dropout issue without DXVA.

The reason it didn't happen with DXVA from what I can see now is that DXVA engaged, at least in MPC-HC, and with my 5770, stabilizes the clock, maybe it also disables Powerplay. DXVA manually downclocks my card to 400 MHz even though I've manually stabilized it at 600 MHz and disabled Powerplay myself. Close DXVA, and goes back up to 600. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17883169#post17883169)

Andy o

9th January 2010, 00:14

btw, that profile.xml file seems to also control other CCC options, that the registry no longer does. Maybe one can force for instance 0-255 levels on 4000 cards.

SamuriHL

9th January 2010, 00:15

That would be nice.

Sebastiii

9th January 2010, 00:47

Guys I posted this at AVS. If you guys have any idea how to disable ATI Powerplay on these 5000 cards, please let me know.

It works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But the first time, my pc freeze so i change settng but for the test i made no dropout on sample DTS-MA in software mode :)

Thx, i will testing to see what happen :)

So i set 600Mhz for GPU and 1200 to Memory. I have change Vcore to 1125, butidon't know if it's necessary :)

Andy o

9th January 2010, 00:55

My 5770 lists 1000 core voltage for the 600 MHz setting so that's what I set it at. Right now I'm trying to clock it the lowest possible I can get away with, and then build a profile that enables PowerPlay for gaming and such.

BTW I think you need to enable overdrive for the values you set to work (and then change manually with the slider to the values you set). Or else, PowerPlay is still disabled, but mine always stays at 600/1200.

Sebastiii

9th January 2010, 01:43

Andy, I have made some test and i again dropout, i will continu tomorrow, good night :)
Bye :)

Andy o

9th January 2010, 01:46

I don't get them. If you have overdrive enabled, and haven't set the slider to the exact amount you set it on profiles.xml, then PowerPlay will still be enabled and dropouts will still occur (happened to me). Monitor your GPU and mem clocks with GPU-Z.

BTW you can probably use DPC Latency Checker (http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml) to see how PowerPlay screws with latencies. I haven't used it though, haven't had the need.