ffdshow tryout project : HD audio discussion

[SamuriHL]

Value1 = (Value2 & ~0xf) + 0x18

C'est vrai?

Damn, dude! Nice first post!!!! :)

[SamuriHL]

You're right my friend !!!

I updated my little program and this formula works for every buffers !

Thank you so much!!

Does this mean you can fix it in ffdshow with that revelation? That was most impressive! :)

[albain]

I can do better than that

Here is a new updated build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3181_20100104_dbt_dxva_beta5.exe)

Please tell me about it

Merci BSAlita !
(you work for Arcsoft and have the code in front your eyes ;-) ?)

[SamuriHL]

LOL! :) I'm on it. Give me about 2 minutes.

[SamuriHL]

Unfortunately, no, that didn't work. I get no connection to the receiver now.

http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d1ee8e413

:(

[BSalita]

The problem was obscured by displaying the list in decimal. In hex the formula is obvious.

[SamuriHL]

What is the dwChannelMask 255??

[albain]

Unfortunately, no, that didn't work. I get no connection to the receiver now.

http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d1ee8e413

:(

I have been too quick. I forgot to remove the 12 extrabytez

[SamuriHL]

Ok, let me know when you're ready and I'll try again.

[albain]

Can you try again ? (same link)

Thanks

[SamuriHL]

I'm on it now.

[Wireballz]

Can you try again ? (same link)

It WORKS !!!!!!!! YOU THE MAN :)

HI RES WORKS to DTS-HD MA WORKS :)

[SamuriHL]

MUAHAHAHHAHHA! I love you guys! Yes, that fixed it. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

[albain]

Et voilà !

Good evening guys

Time to watch a movie for me...

[Wireballz]

Thank you Albain and others :):p

[SamuriHL]

Awesome, enjoy your movie! I really appreciate this fix.

[Sebastiii]

Enjoy your movie too :) Great news :) i'm go to testing :)
Youpi :)
Merci Damien :) and BSalita for the formula :)
BIG THX,
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

Holy ****! Hey, Seb...your DTS-HD HR file works now and shows HR on my receiver. :)

[SamuriHL]

So it looks like the only thing not working right now besides EAC3 (not an ffdshow problem) is TrueHD 2.0 channel. This is AWESOME!

[Wireballz]

So it looks like the only thing not working right now besides EAC3 (not an ffdshow problem) is TrueHD 2.0 channel. This is AWESOME!



TrueHD 2.0 Works here just shows stereo and when you status on you pio you will see TrueHD :) but 2.0

[SamuriHL]

TrueHD 2.0 Works here just show stereo and when you status on you pio you will see TrueHD :) but 2.0

Not for me with the sample someone in this thread provided. I get no audio at all. However, it does play in PDVD9 so I know it's not the sample file. But that's now the only thing that doesn't match what PDVD9 gives me. This is so awesome.

[Wireballz]

Not for me with the sample someone in this thread provided. I get no audio at all. However, it does play in PDVD9 so I know it's not the sample file. But that's now the only thing that doesn't match what PDVD9 gives me. This is so awesome.


Same sample of a old guy talking at a table plays perfect on my 1019 :)

[SamuriHL]

Yea, that'd be the one. I can't get it to play for me. Interesting.

[SamuriHL]

Wait, what audio renderer are you using? Maybe that's the difference.

[Wireballz]

Yea, that'd be the one. I can't get it to play for me. Interesting.


what do you have on put for me all checked pass-through spidf

connect as: DirectSound


strange.

[SamuriHL]

Yea, that's the issue. I change it to Realtek HDMI audio renderer and now it plays fine. I'll have to trap the logs to see what the difference is between that and the Default DirectShow renderer I like to use.

[Wireballz]

Wait, what audio renderer are you using? Maybe that's the difference.

Realtek Hdmi Output (ATI HDMI A (00200000)

[Wireballz]

Yea, that's the issue. I change it to Realtek HDMI audio renderer and now it plays fine. I'll have to trap the logs to see what the difference is between that and the Default DirectShow renderer I like to use.

sweet :)

[SamuriHL]

TrueHD 2.0 "Being.There.1979.sample.m2ts"

Realtek HDMI audio renderer (working): http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7b125da4
Default DirectSound audio renderer (non-working): http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m56c5a1f6

Maybe that stands out, I don't know.

[David602]

Et voilà !

Good evening guys

Time to watch a movie for me...

I'm stuck at work right now but I can't wait to get home tonight and try this!!! This is exciting to be on the cutting edge of open source bit streaming.

Thanks for all the work!!

[rica]

I get DTSHD-MA without audio dropouts when video decoder selected in DXVA mode. (default direct sound and Mpc Audio Renderer)
Video software mode still doesn't work and gives worse dropouts with this build.

[albain]

I get DTSHD-MA without audio dropouts when video decoder selected in DXVA mode. (default direct sound and Mpc Audio Renderer)
Video software mode still doesn't work and gives worse dropouts with this build.

Yes, that's still AMD's drivers which are faulty

[SamuriHL]

albain, any thoughts on the renderer thing with TrueHD 2.0? No big deal if not, as we can get everything to work with other renderers. I've tested a crapload of stuff now and it ALL works flawlessly with my Pio. So, job well done!!

[rica]

Yes, that's still AMD's drivers which are faulty

But i never understand how WinDVD 2010 works in SW mode too with the same drivers? (PDVD9 can't)

I should correct my mistake:
WinDVD Pro 2010 can be set to SW mode (video) as well and no problem in SW mode too while PDVD9 would be never set to SW mode.

IMO the comparison must be made between ffdshow and wDVD so as to check what is happening?

Any opinion on reg hack of WinDVD to connect to remote graph?



BTW i can reach the DS chain of PDVD9 while i can't do it on WinDVD, any ideas? (DirectShow Filter Graph Spy has been used btw.)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1201/p001.th.png (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/p001.png/)

And i can scan the backstage of Arcsoft TMT -even it gives core dts or ac3 with an Ati btw-

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4254/a001.th.png (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/a001.png/)

[Sebastiii]

So it looks like the only thing not working right now besides EAC3 (not an ffdshow problem) is TrueHD 2.0 channel. This is AWESOME!

Hi, i have not reconnect ATI to AVR but i'm with Xonar, and for now my avr detect again DTS-MA for sample HR with ffdshow.
I am tring TMT just now and DTS-MA 5.1.

I'm crasy lol.

I just put ATI -> AVR and make test,
Bitstream it works with Arcsoft Renderer and ATI HDMI OUTPUT.
In .m2ts and HW Dxva
THD 7.1 -> OK
DTS-MA 7.1 -> OK
DTS-HR 7.1 -> DTS-MA 5.1
THD 2.0 -> NOK

In MKV :
DTS-MA 7.1 -> OK but the video is slow (it slow on all other test that i made) maybe that comes from my sample and i don't have other to confirm this.

I confirm too that THD 2.0 work with ATI HDMI OUT only.

I don't understand why DTS-HR don't working even with TMT and information on screen say me DTS-HR HDMI Passthroup.

I try with PDVD to see what happen.
EDIT : DTS-HR 7.1 is good with PDVD.

I'm comes crasy boy lol

Thx :)
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

But i never understand how WinDVD 2010 works in SW mode too with the same drivers? (PDVD9 can't)

Likely because WinDVD doesn't seem to be using directshow. For instance, I can't connect to WinDVD's graph when playing anything. So, I don't think that's a good test.

[Andy o]

Great news to wake up to. Thanks all!

[Andy o]

BTW, the dropout issue in SW mode also happens with DTS-HD MA? It's not only DD/DTS? Cause I briefly tried a flac mkv and it didn't seem to happen.

[SamuriHL]

Hi, i have not reconnect ATI to AVR but i'm with Xonar, and for now my avr detect again DTS-MA for sample HR with ffdshow.
I am tring TMT just now and DTS-MA 5.1.

I'm crasy lol.

I just put ATI -> AVR and make test,
Bitstream it works with Arcsoft Renderer and ATI HDMI OUTPUT.
In .m2ts and HW Dxva
THD 7.1 -> OK
DTS-MA 7.1 -> OK
DTS-HR 7.1 -> DTS-MA 5.1
THD 2.0 -> NOK

In MKV :
DTS-MA 7.1 -> OK but the video is slow (it slow on all other test that i made) maybe that comes from my sample and i don't have other to confirm this.

I confirm too that THD 2.0 work with ATI HDMI OUT only.

I don't understand why DTS-HR don't working even with TMT and information on screen say me DTS-HR HDMI Passthroup.

I try with PDVD to see what happen.
EDIT : DTS-HR 7.1 is good with PDVD.

I'm comes crasy boy lol

Thx :)
Seb.

I get the DTS-HD HR in 7.1 with my ATI using the Realtek HDMI audio renderer. (Works with Default DirectSound, too, actually) I can try on the Xonar later and see what I get there.

[rica]

Likely because WinDVD doesn't seem to be using directshow. For instance, I can't connect to WinDVD's graph when playing anything. So, I don't think that's a good test.

You mean "media foundation" stuff?

[SamuriHL]

You mean "media foundation" stuff?

Yea, that's what I'm thinking, anyway. So I don't think WinDVD is a good test. I'm not sure about TMT3 and whether it can be turned off there.

[Sebastiii]

Thx SamuriHL :)

[Andy o]

I'm not 100% sure what you guys are talking about, but with DVDs and WinDVD 2010, I do get dropouts with software mode.

[rica]

So the only hope ArcSoft will implement the new patch of TMT3 in DS stuff to compare?

[rica]

I'm not 100% sure what you guys are talking about, but with DVDs and WinDVD 2010, I do get dropouts with software mode.

Never tried any SD DVD, i've given it a go always with blues.

[Andy o]

I didn't know you could disable HW accel for blurays. Which discs have you tested?

[rica]

I didn't know you could disable HW accel for blurays. Which discs have you tested?

Close Encounters, Hitman, Angels Demons...
Open WDVD ( without any disc) and setup video to SW mode and restart it and play BD.

[whurlston]

Likely because WinDVD doesn't seem to be using directshow. For instance, I can't connect to WinDVD's graph when playing anything. So, I don't think that's a good test.

WinDVD does use DirectShow when playing SD DVDs, just not for Blu-rays.

[SamuriHL]

WinDVD does use DirectShow when playing SD DVDs, just not for Blu-rays.

Ah, I didn't know that. Fascinating.

[rica]

Is anybody who has tried to get a log from WinDVD?

[Andy o]

Close Encounters, Hitman, Angels Demons...
Open WDVD ( without any disc) and setup video to SW mode and restart it and play BD.

I think that setting doesn't do anything for bluray (check your CPU usage), and also, do those movies have DD/DTS legacy audio?

[STaRGaZeR]

If I remember correctly in AMD GPU Clock Tool you can see if you're indeed using UVD. It could be useful if you don't really know if you're using it or not. Be careful with MPEG-2, because MPEG-2 IDCT doesn't use UVD. You can be using it with the program reporting UVD as IDLE. But for H.264 and VC-1 VLD is 100% accurate in my experience.

Also for the dropouts, have you guys tried with audio only files to see if the problem is gone? Like muxing DTS-HD and TrueHD tracks alone in MKV.

[Andy o]

So far I think it's only been confirmed with DD/DTS files, but your idea still stands. Nobody thinks it's likely we'd get dropouts though cause it only happens when video decoding in SW mode is involved, and with certain video renderers it's better/worse/doesn't seem to happen.

[rica]

I think that setting doesn't do anything for bluray (check your CPU usage), and also, do those movies have DD/DTS legacy audio?

Appreciated.
Really you're right; even you may tick or untick HW mode box you always stay on DXVA mode.

The conclusion:
None of the current players can bitstream without dropouts while video selected in SW mode.
Related with drivers or not, dunno?

[STaRGaZeR]

This thread is great. Many thanks for your hard work RE'ing this thing albain!

What's the status of LPCM bitstreaming? I remember reading that it could be possible to decode any audio format to PCM inside ffdshow, then reformat the stream to LPCM and send it losslessly to the receiver, right?

[rica]

albain,

the latest status:

rev.3181 fixed Pio owners DTSHD issues without EDID override.

Selecting Video in SW mode causes audio dropouts is not a ffdshow issue but a common issue of all the current players; most probably it's up to drivers' issue.

[Andy o]

This thread is great. Many thanks for your hard work RE'ing this thing albain!

What's the status of LPCM bitstreaming? I remember reading that it could be possible to decode any audio format to PCM inside ffdshow, then reformat the stream to LPCM and send it losslessly to the receiver, right?

You need to use exclusive mode for that. I MPC audio renderer uses exclusive mode, but I'm not sure if it's compatible with all formats. You can still use ReClock for that, which works perfect with the Realtek 2.39 drivers and these ATI 5000 cards.

[STaRGaZeR]

You need to use exclusive mode for that. I MPC audio renderer uses exclusive mode, but I'm not sure if it's compatible with all formats. You can still use ReClock for that, which works perfect with the Realtek 2.39 drivers and these ATI 5000 cards.

I know exclusive mode doesn't work for sending the PCM stream directly to the DAC of my Creative X-Fi without being touched, as all options, equalizer, etc. from the Creative Control Panel work. Does it happen with the HD5xxx's as well? The goal here would be, for example, to decode FLAC losslessly, then send the LPCM stream to the receiver without any kind of Windows or audio driver interference.

[rica]

I know exclusive mode doesn't work for sending the PCM stream directly to the DAC of my Creative X-Fi without being touched, as all options, equalizer, etc. from the Creative Control Panel work. Does it happen with the HD5xxx's as well? The goal here would be, for example, to decode FLAC losslessly, then send the LPCM stream to the receiver without any kind of Windows or audio driver interference.

Check this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15770959#post15770959

[STaRGaZeR]

Check this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15770959#post15770959

Unfortunately WASAPI exclusive mode does bypass the OS mixer, but it doesn't bypass the audio driver, all controls still work.

[Andy o]

That's for your Creative, and by the way, it's the same way with the Xonar HDAV. For the ATI cards (4000 and 5000) it's not. You can bypass the PCM stream directly to your receiver. You'll need the Realtek 2.39 driver though. Do you have a 4000 or a 5000 card?

[rica]

Unfortunately WASAPI exclusive mode does bypass the OS mixer, but it doesn't bypass the audio driver, all controls still work.

If you are on Vista and with an Xi-Fi, seems to me impossible.
You might have missing something?
If you are on WASAPI mode you must never control anything.

[Andy o]

Depends on the driver. With the Xonar HDAV for instance, WASAPI exclusive does bypass the Windows mixer, but the Xonar driver resamples and switches the channel to whatever you set the Xonar control panel to. It's probably the same with the X-Fi.

[STaRGaZeR]

That's for your Creative, and by the way, it's the same way with the Xonar HDAV. For the ATI cards (4000 and 5000) it's not. You can bypass the PCM stream directly to your receiver. You'll need the Realtek 2.39 driver though. Do you have a 4000 or a 5000 card?

Good to know. I have a 5850, but using the X-Fi right know. Will use it in a future build :)

If you are on Vista and with an Xi-Fi, seems to me impossible.
You might have missing something?
If you are on WASAPI mode you must never control anything.

Yes, Vista and X-Fi Titanium. Once you think you have bit-perfect output, change your Crystalizer or equalizer settings, you'll hear how they change the sound, something that should not happen if it were bit-perfect playback. Only Creative knows what kind of damage they're doing in this case.

[SamuriHL]

Yes, Vista and X-Fi Titanium. Once you think you have bit-perfect output, change your Crystalizer or equalizer settings, you'll hear how they change the sound, something that should not happen if it were bit-perfect playback. Only Creative knows what kind of damage they're doing in this case.

You will not be able to get around that problem. It's caused by the driver, same as the Xonar.

[STaRGaZeR]

You will not be able to get around that problem. It's caused by the driver, same as the Xonar.

Yep. That's why I'm interested in LPCM bitstreaming :)

Anyone here with an Auzen? Working TrueHD and DTS-HD bitstreaming? I don't really want to lose the X-Fi's EAX and game related features, something the Auzen cards have.

[SamuriHL]

Yep. That's why I'm interested in LPCM bitstreaming :)

Anyone here with an Auzen? Working TrueHD and DTS-HD bitstreaming? I don't really want to lose the X-Fi's EAX and game related features, something the Auzen cards have.

That was my point, though. I don't think with your current card that LPCM bitstreaming will be possible thanks to your driver.

The Auzen works with PDVD9. I don't think it works with ffdshow but I could be wrong.

[whurlston]

Setup (includes all combinations of renderers tested):

ffdshow tryouts SVN 3164
MPC MPEG2 Video Decoder (Gabest)
VMR9
EVR
GraphStudio
WinDVD 2010 (with hardware acceleration disabled)
ATI 5770
Catalyst video driver 9.12
Realtek HDMI driver 2.39
Bitstreamed DTS and AC3 DVD tracks (Brotherhood of the Wolf)

Results:

I get no audio dropouts using any combination.

[Andy o]

You were using Graphstudio or MPC-HC?

Although that's weird that I get dropouts on WinDVD.

[whurlston]

GraphStudio with the MPC-HC video decoder. I still have to load MPC-HC on that machine but the TV is in the livingroom and the AVR/HTPC are in the basement I need to get a keyboard to upstairs where I can use it and see what I'm doing. :D

Oh, I used the Default DirectSound device in GraphStudio.

[David602]

I've tried the new ffdshow that Albain posted and i've found success!! I also have one weird side effect (probably more related to MPC).

In Win 7 x64bit / Xonar / Pioneer receiver:
DTS HD MA bitstreams fine
DTS HD HR bitsreams fine
TrueHD bitstreams fine (like it did before)

When I play h.264 content, it says DXVA and Play->Filters show it using:
Arcsoft Audio Renderer
EVR Custom
FFDSHOW audio
MPC Video Decoder

Playback is smooth and bitstreaming audio is fine.

When I play VC1 content, it does NOT display DXVA but it still bitstreams audio fine. For VC1, it defaults to Microsoft's codec. Play-Filters show it using:

Arcsoft Audio Renderer
EVR Custom
FFDSHOW audio
WM Video Decoder DMO ***


Under Options in MPC-HC, I only have 2 splitters enabled: (Mastroka and MPEG PS/TS/PVA). Under transform filters, I have it checked to use VC1 (DXVA) and of course H264 AVC (DXVA).

So for some reason, it's not using its own internal filter and it's being overridden by Microsoft's codec.

Strangely, if I add the MS codec as an external filter and set it to "block", when I go to play the file, MPC reports that the splitter cannot find a video filter to connect to.

I went ahead and registered MPCVideoDec.ax from the latest standalone beta build as a filter then set it as preferred in MPC as an external filter.

When playing the clip, it STILL DOES NOT show DXVA and then the clip has audio drop outs and CPU utilization is 80%-100%.

Play->Filters show it using:
Arcsoft Audio Renderer
EVR Custom
FFDSHOW audio
MPC Video Decoder

This looks the same as H264 content that is DXVA accelerated but strangely, VC1 refuses to enable DXVA.

This is a pretty recent install of W7 (about 1 week) and I haven't installed anything except FFDSHOW and MPC-HC.

Any ideas? Did I get a bad beta build of MPC or the standalone filters?

[Andy o]

You're probably playing an interlaced VC-1 video?

[Andy o]

GraphStudio with the MPC-HC video decoder. I still have to load MPC-HC on that machine but the TV is in the livingroom and the AVR/HTPC are in the basement I need to get a keyboard to upstairs where I can use it and see what I'm doing. :D

Oh, I used the Default DirectSound device in GraphStudio.

I'm gonna try graphstudio tomorrow.

[albain]

About LPCM support, this won't be for today, I don't have the time for now.

I have Seb's logs though to work on it.

@whurlston : are you sure that you don't get hardware decoding with your tests, because MPEG2 don't necessarily use DXVA but can use hardware acceleration.

Also have you tried with a more recent ffdshow build if it makes any difference (such as the last beta I posted) ?

[Andy o]

LPCM is not really a priority with ffdshow, one can always use ReClock :D Thanks again for this great effort albain.

[whurlston]

@whurlston : are you sure that you don't get hardware decoding with your tests, because MPEG2 don't necessarily use DXVA but can use hardware acceleration.I'm sure. The MPC MPEG2 decoder does not support DXVA (confirmed with DXVA Checker), which is why I used it for the test.

Also have you tried with a more recent ffdshow build if it makes any difference (such as the last beta I posted) ?Not yet, I will do that tomorrow though. I'll be snowed in so should have plenty of time for testing. :)

[Skinleech]

I've yest to try the latest beta (that's on the cards for tonight) but I can confirm that the audio dropouts happen using the Xonar in software mode also.

I still can't bitstream Dolby Digital PLus on the Xonar either. I will get some logs though as each time i check this thread there are 2 or 3 more pages they may get lost again...

[David602]

You're probably playing an interlaced VC-1 video?

It's a BD rip of Bourne Ultimatum to MKV:

ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1h 55mn
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive

Same thing happens with a few others I've tried...

[Andy o]

I still can't bitstream Dolby Digital PLus on the Xonar either. I will get some logs though as each time i check this thread there are 2 or 3 more pages they may get lost again...

Was DD+ ever added for the Xonar? AFAIK it never worked.

[Andy o]

It's a BD rip of Bourne Ultimatum to MKV:

ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1h 55mn
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive

Same thing happens with a few others I've tried...

What build of MPC-HC are you using?

[Skinleech]

Was DD+ ever added for the Xonar? AFAIK it never worked.

Maybe not - the front page lists DD+ as supported on Xonar though.

I can't even get my DD+ files to play, they just freeze.

[liquidskin76]

Has anyone heard anymore rumours about the ati 5350 card? I know of the leaked HP info about possible Jan 7th release.

Curious if it will carry the same hardware and HD bitstream capabilities as the higher end 5xxx cards. Hopefully it will and will be low profile and fanless (or bloody small silent fan!)

Great work gang on sorting the DTS-HD issues. I've abandoned my xonar as i've gone to a low profile case and pci-e itx motherboard (rules out xonar slim as only pci... god knows why Asus made that choice!).

[SamuriHL]

The entire 5xxx line is supposed to use the same audio chipset, which means bitstreaming will work.

[Andy o]

Even mobility Radeon 5000's (http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3711) have bitstreaming capabilities, it seems.

[SamuriHL]

WOA! That could get me to upgrade my laptop a year earlier than I planned right there. I've wanted to go quad core on my laptop anyway, but, um, you give me some bitstreaming and maybe even some gaming love on a mobile platform and I'm going to have to seriously look at that. (Don't worry, my Sony won't go to waste....in all likelihood my son would inherit it) Most impressive!

[liquidskin76]

Cool, cheers for the ATI 5xxx info guys!

[Andy o]

WOA! That could get me to upgrade my laptop a year earlier than I planned right there. I've wanted to go quad core on my laptop anyway, but, um, you give me some bitstreaming and maybe even some gaming love on a mobile platform and I'm going to have to seriously look at that. (Don't worry, my Sony won't go to waste....in all likelihood my son would inherit it) Most impressive!

Exactly what I was thinking. I want a 32 nm CPU at least for my laptop though, and if I'm not gonna use the Arrandale GPU it seems like wasted space. What the heck was Intel thinking, not releasing quad-core Westmeres without GPU! That would have been the perfect CPU at least for this year. Mobile Sandy Bridge is probably what, two years away? Seems they're not putting up much effort on Westmere, just treating it as a transition architecture (or super high-end with 6-core Gulftown).

[SamuriHL]

Exactly what I was thinking. I want a 32 nm CPU at least for my laptop though, and if I'm not gonna use the Arrandale GPU it seems like wasted space. What the heck was Intel thinking, not releasing quad-core Westmeres without GPU! That would have been the perfect CPU at least for this year. Mobile Sandy Bridge is probably what, two years away? Seems they're not putting up much effort on Westmere, just treating it as a transition architecture (or super high-end with 6-core Gulftown).

Yup. These are all reasons I was planning on waiting another year and a half to see what the landscape looked like in summer 2011. I still may hold off. We'll see. I tend to buy a new laptop every 3 years and I got the Sony in August 08. It's a very nice machine with BD burning, so, I really have little complaint. However, full bitstreaming support off a laptop would seriously rock. :)

[Andy o]

That board does look very similar to my 9200m GS. I'm pretty sure at least the PCIe port would be the same, though even if one could swap it, I don't know how it would connect to the HDMI and VGA ports on my laptop. Probably a super long shot.

[SamuriHL]

HIGHLY unlikely that'd work. I have a 3450 and I doubt I could even upgrade that. It'd be nice though.

[liquidskin76]

Any news on nvidia's plans for hd bitstreaming? Looks like fermi's delayed until march however i can't find any info on it's hd audio capabilities.

With dx11 and hd audio bitstreaming, it looks likes ATI got's the jump on nvidia big time!

[Andy o]

ATI's always had the jump on Nvidia on digital audio, ever since the HD2000 series, and even on graphics now since the 4000 series at least. And seeing how Nvidia has handled even 7.1 LPCM (half-assed is probably too generous), I wouldn't have high hopes for Fermi.

ATI HD 2000 series all had SPDIF-like audio over HDMI, Nvidia didn't. Some cards had SPDIF input to output from the HDMI out of the card, but it was something the manufacturers added, it wasn't Nvidia. Plus you still needed an SPDIF output from your mobo and make it compatible with the input on the card.

ATI HD 3000 series pretty much the same, Nvidia had no interest in improving their situation.

ATI HD 4000 series has 7.1 LPCM and drivers kept improving so today it's pretty much flawless even with WASAPI exclusive. Nvidia only had it for certain laptops (mine for instance, only offers 2.0 and 7.1, NO 5.1) and a couple of motherboard "mGPU"'s. Drivers sucked, with the most glaring problem being the inversion of side and back surrounds on 7.1. They fixed that with one driver. Then they broke it again with another (AFAIK it's still broken). WASAPI exclusive support is awful. I'm not sure how the GT200 low-end cards fix this, but as Anandtech put it for the GT240 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3709) (and I'd extend that to the whole family), that's the card that doesn't matter.

That takes us where we are now. ATI 5000 series already has pretty good drivers and a couple of minor bugs (or ones you can get around). Maybe Intel's less-than-sudden serious interest in all this with Clarkdale/Arrandale will wake Nvidia up?

Also, Nvidia's philosophy of confusing names and shameless rebranding (both on purpose, I'm sure), and putting out super power hungry, super expensive cards first (by the time the midrange comes out they're uninteresting), makes it not worth my time researching for which Nvidia card would suit me.

[Andy o]

oops sorry, that was a bit of a rant. :D

[liquidskin76]

No problem... let rip!

I've been an nvidia man for a long time however i'm starting to be converted to ATI. Bring on the low profile 5xxx cards is all i can say!

[DigitalDeviant]

No problem... let rip!

I've been an nvidia man for a long time however i'm starting to be converted to ATI. Bring on the low profile 5xxx cards is all i can say!

Can anyone confirm that Ati 5xxx cards properly upsample chroma? I'd love to get one but my last Ati card handled chroma like crap. I'd rather not have to get a Xonar.

[arestarh]

albain
Hello!
I'm again about problems with translation:
I can't open in translation mode dialogs:
http://i044.radikal.ru/0912/8c/4f224226244at.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/i044.radikal.ru/0912/8c/4f224226244a.png.html)
And even I manually edit file of localization(add necessary strings), *Add* and *Reset* buttons in both dialogs and also dialog *Use ffdshow only in* is not appeared in GUI:
http://i056.radikal.ru/1001/8f/c5f527d8a0e5t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/i056.radikal.ru/1001/8f/c5f527d8a0e5.png.html)
simply, I can't translate this elements...

And about section of Subtitles in configuration dialog.
I can't translate this dialog:
http://i061.radikal.ru/1001/02/415cb72eae26t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/i061.radikal.ru/1001/02/415cb72eae26.png.html)

[Andy o]

Can anyone confirm that Ati 5xxx cards properly upsample chroma? I'd love to get one but my last Ati card handled chroma like crap. I'd rather not have to get a Xonar.

What exactly do you mean? I have had a 4670, 4550 (briefly) and a 5770 on a Kuro KRP-500 and haven't noticed any trouble. How are you testing? I had a couple of PS3 (fat and slim) for a while and watched some blurays, and didn't notice any obvious difference in video quality.

FWIW, the 5000 series support 30-bit deep color and my monitor which is capable, does report 30-bit with the 5770 and Windows 7.

EDIT: Never mind. I think I know what you mean. I had pixelated reds on some videos, but was noticeable only on full screen from SD videos. That was fixed with madVR or RGB conversion in ffdshow with dithering. Not a big problem. That was with the 4670. I'm not sure how the 5770 fares, but I'll test again.

[STaRGaZeR]

Can anyone confirm that Ati 5xxx cards properly upsample chroma? I'd love to get one but my last Ati card handled chroma like crap. I'd rather not have to get a Xonar.

In EVR you need NV12. If you use XP and overlay, you need YV12 for proper chroma upsampling.

Or you can convert things properly to RGB32 in ffdshow and forget about the issue.

[DigitalDeviant]

In EVR you need NV12. If you use XP and overlay, you need YV12 for proper chroma upsampling.

Or you can convert things properly to RGB32 in ffdshow and forget about the issue.

And in a perfect world I would have control over all my video output but unfortunately I don't see a lot of web based players giving you the option on how video is decoded or rendered. If a graphics card can't handle a proper conversion to RGB, something that should be pretty freeking basic, then I can't use it.

[nightfly]

Can someone with a Xonar test the Star Trek BD? It's the only title I still get drop outs on and essentially is unwatchable using bitstreaming ffdshow.

For whatever reason, my other troublesome THD titles, if I use the Arcsoft Demux filter play fine using either s/pdif or speakers for the playback device.

My two filters setup (via external filters in MPC-HC):
This is my preferred setup:

MPC MPEG Spiltter v1481
Arcosft Video Decoder/MPC Video Decoder (depends on video format)
ffdshow audio decoder
EVR CP
Arcsoft Audio Renderer

My setup that works on all THD titles tested but StarTrek:
Arcsoft Demux
Arcsoft Vid Decoder
ffdshow aud decoder
EVR CP
Arcsoft Aud Renderer

I thought that before the playback setting in Windows mattered - it doesn't. I am currently leaning toward the splitter filter being the key.

Unfortunately, the StarTrek movie has only one m2ts file for the entire thing at ~36GB or I'd upload a sample.

[SamuriHL]

Playing it now on my Xonar. Getting the same results. Little random, TINY dropouts here and there. Nothing horrible, but, definitely there.

[albain]

Hi,

this is kind of off topic but google wasn't friendly

On my ATI 5750 (had also the problem on the radeon 3670) when windows is started, if I switch off my Onkyo 606 (where it is connected to through HDMI) and switch it on after a while, the screen remains black.
I tried everything : standby/resume, several off/on of the receiver.
Sometimes the signal comes back, but most of the time I have to force the PC to power off.

Sometimes also upon restart, after the boot logo the screen goes to black and does not come back.

I read somewhere that this was specific to ATI and nvidia didn't suffer that problem.

Do you experience the same problem and found a solution ?

Thanks

PS : the DTS-HD fix + DXVA are committed to subversion (revision 3186) !

Damien

[SamuriHL]

Also happens with the ATI. This seems...bad.

Seb, you don't by chance have this movie do you? Star Trek 2009? If so, can you create a dump of both TMT3 and ffdshow on it so we can maybe see if there are any differences like we did for DTS-HD MA?

THANK!!

[SamuriHL]

Hi,

this is kind of off topic but google wasn't friendly

On my ATI 5750 (had also the problem on the radeon 3670) when windows is started, if I switch off my Onkyo 606 (where it is connected to through HDMI) and switch it on after a while, the screen remains black.
I tried everything : standby/resume, several off/on of the receiver.
Sometimes the signal comes back, but most of the time I have to force the PC to power off.

Sometimes also upon restart, after the boot logo the screen goes to black and does not come back.

I read somewhere that this was specific to ATI and nvidia didn't suffer that problem.

Do you experience the same problem and found a solution ?

Thanks

PS : the DTS-HD fix + DXVA are committed to subversion (revision 3186) !

Damien

Oh ******************!! Albain, this is the EXACT problem I was afraid of and why I got a new receiver. This is how it starts. In short, your HDMI daughter board is fried and will get worse and worse and worse as the weeks go by. Son of a b!tch!!! :( If you need a link to see more about this problem let me know. It *SUCKS*!

EDIT:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141824

There's the link that details this problem. My 606 is sitting on the floor of my living room waiting for me to send it out to my nearest repair shop (several states away) and hope to God they actually fix it and send it back. This is why I got the Pio Elite.

[albain]

Oh ******************!! Albain, this is the EXACT problem I was afraid of and why I got a new receiver. This is how it starts. In short, your HDMI daughter board is fried and will get worse and worse and worse as the weeks go by. Son of a b!tch!!! :( If you need a link to see more about this problem let me know. It *SUCKS*!

EDIT:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141824

There's the link that details this problem. My 606 is sitting on the floor of my living room waiting for me to send it out to my nearest repair shop (several states away) and hope to God they actually fix it and send it back. This is why I got the Pio Elite.

I hope that this isn't what you describe :mad:
Actually I always had that problem and I thought this came from the ATI. Besides I don't have handshake problems on the other inputs (cablebox, ps3), and it only occurs after switching off the receiver or when rebooting after the logo screen (which appears).
I still suspect that the ATI outputs the signal on another output.

[SamuriHL]

I hope that this isn't what you describe :mad:
Actually I always had that problem and I thought this came from the ATI. Besides I don't have handshake problems on the other inputs (cablebox, ps3), and it only occurs after switching off the receiver or when rebooting after the logo screen (which appears).
I still suspect that the ATI outputs the signal on another output.

I didn't either....at first. I originally thought it was the Xonar + ATI that was causing the problem. Then I went to the 5870 and I had handshaking issues and figured "oh, must be an ATI issue, I'll create an EDID override to stop it". Um, no. It was ONLY doing it on that one port. Then, just before Xmas, it started happening on my 360 port. And then a few days later, another port. But for the longest time it was only the one. And this is EXACTLY what other people report happening, as well. Oh, and it only "seems" to happen with 1080p at first, too. So, cable boxes, not a problem as we're only doing 1080i. My cable box never developed an issue. But my PS3 and 360 did...eventually. Also, as soon as I plugged the Pio in, ALL my handshaking issues went away instantly. Even the Xonar + ATI works perfectly from ANY state now. In short, it all just works with the Pio. The onkyo...not so much.

[STaRGaZeR]

And in a perfect world I would have control over all my video output but unfortunately I don't see a lot of web based players giving you the option on how video is decoded or rendered. If a graphics card can't handle a proper conversion to RGB, something that should be pretty freeking basic, then I can't use it.

Web based players don't use DirectShow, nor the graphics card for the YCbCr-->RGB conversion AFAIK...

[albain]

I didn't either....at first. I originally thought it was the Xonar + ATI that was causing the problem. Then I went to the 5870 and I had handshaking issues and figured "oh, must be an ATI issue, I'll create an EDID override to stop it". Um, no. It was ONLY doing it on that one port. Then, just before Xmas, it started happening on my 360 port. And then a few days later, another port. But for the longest time it was only the one. And this is EXACTLY what other people report happening, as well. Oh, and it only "seems" to happen with 1080p at first, too. So, cable boxes, not a problem as we're only doing 1080i. My cable box never developed an issue. But my PS3 and 360 did...eventually. Also, as soon as I plugged the Pio in, ALL my handshaking issues went away instantly. Even the Xonar + ATI works perfectly from ANY state now. In short, it all just works with the Pio. The onkyo...not so much.

Oh, crap... thanks for your input anyway, this will avoid me to search everywhere in the web !

[SamuriHL]

Oh, crap... thanks for your input anyway, this will avoid me to search everywhere in the web !

Yea, sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this one. Have you had it 12-14 months? That appears to be when it starts happening and fits when I first started having problems with mine.

[DigitalDeviant]

Web based players don't use DirectShow, nor the graphics card for the YCbCr-->RGB conversion AFAIK...

Well, I get poor chroma in flash video with my HD3650 and not with my 9600GT. Again, if it does not do proper chroma upsampling, I do not want it. I'd rather my video card work properly for basic video before I worry about audio. If this is still an issue with 5xxx cards will stick with my current card and wait for any bugs with the Xonar cards to be worked out. If no one here knows right off hand I'll post the question in the PC hardware forum so this doesn't get too off topic.

[mikelebron]

I say get a Pioneer Ellite VSX 23/21 so we can be one big Pioneer/ATI bit streaming family...

Oh, crap... thanks for your input anyway, this will avoid me to search everywhere in the web !

[nightfly]

Also happens with the ATI. This seems...bad.

Seb, you don't by chance have this movie do you? Star Trek 2009? If so, can you create a dump of both TMT3 and ffdshow on it so we can maybe see if there are any differences like we did for DTS-HD MA?

THANK!!

Thanks. I know now it's just not me. Let me know how I can help. I know how to enable logging in ffdshow, but I didn't see anything useful/suspect it the output. I am going to try to find a way to extract a few minutes of the beginning of the movie and post it for testing.

[SamuriHL]

Thanks. I know now it's just not me. Let me know how I can help. I know how to enable logging in ffdshow, but I didn't see anything useful/suspect it the output. I am going to try to find a way to extract a few minutes of the beginning of the movie and post it for testing.

It's not a debugging log we're looking for. Seb has the ability to dump the contents of the buffer for TMT3 and ffdshow. When he did that last time albain discovered the DTS-HD MA problem and was able to fix it. I'm hoping that something like that can be found for this, although it only seems to happen with this one title. BUT, nonetheless, it's NOT happening with PDVD9 or TMT3, so, clearly there's a difference somewhere.

[nightfly]

It's not a debugging log we're looking for. Seb has the ability to dump the contents of the buffer for TMT3 and ffdshow. When he did that last time albain discovered the DTS-HD MA problem and was able to fix it. I'm hoping that something like that can be found for this, although it only seems to happen with this one title. BUT, nonetheless, it's NOT happening with PDVD9 or TMT3, so, clearly there's a difference somewhere.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I discovered that TSSplitter can do the job and made two files @~700MB each for testing. Uploading them now and will post back with the links.

[STaRGaZeR]

Well, I get poor chroma in flash video with my HD3650 and not with my 9600GT. Again, if it does not do proper chroma upsampling, I do not want it. I'd rather my video card work properly for basic video before I worry about audio. If this is still an issue with 5xxx cards will stick with my current card and wait for any bugs with the Xonar cards to be worked out. If no one here knows right off hand I'll post the question in the PC hardware forum so this doesn't get too off topic.

Gimme a link and I'll check it for you. But you should blame Adobe, not ATI or nvidia.

[SamuriHL]

You guys do know that 10.1 flash beta has GPU support, right? For HA? :) I've been using it. It rocks.

[Andy o]

I can't get either flash or silverlight (which kills Netflix for me) to play smoothly, especially on full screen. Does HW accel fix this for flash?

[SamuriHL]

Well I didn't have problems before so, I can't answer that definitively, but, I certainly don't have problems now. :)

[Sebastiii]

Also happens with the ATI. This seems...bad.

Seb, you don't by chance have this movie do you? Star Trek 2009? If so, can you create a dump of both TMT3 and ffdshow on it so we can maybe see if there are any differences like we did for DTS-HD MA?

THANK!!

Hi,

I haven't :( could you make a short sample ? i don't know if it's possible.

Sorry, but i'm here to help when i got piece of movie lol :)
Thx,
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

I think he's working on that now, so, hopefully he can post up a clip that has the problem. That'd be fantastic if you can run that through the dump tool for us to look at. Thanks!!

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

Pas cool Damien, after the mine, it's your turn :(
A quick question, what component chip have Pio and Onkyo for HDMI ? Dcdi faroudja or Anchor Bay Technologie ?
My AVR have Faroudja !
Thx.

[SamuriHL]

I'm attempting to get a 132 meg clip to you now, Seb. You'll have to convert it to ISO for use in TMT3...sorry about that. Consistently at 17 seconds I get a faint but noticeable audio dropout. Oddly if I replay it without closing MPC-HC, it doesn't happen the second time. But I'd like to see dump logs between TMT3 playing this and ffdshow playing it so we can see what's happening if anything.

[SamuriHL]

http://www.mediafire.com/?mxymzggvzmz

See if that works. Beats me as I don't do filesharing but this is just a clip of one of the studio logos before the movie starts. It contains the problem.

[Sebastiii]

Good news, i hope that it's true :)

Answer from my AMD Ticket :

Response and Service Request History:
Hopefully the newer January driver release will address this issue that you are getting. Which should be next week.

Great :)
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

That'd be nice.

Were you able to grab my sample file?

[Sebastiii]

http://www.mediafire.com/?mxymzggvzmz

See if that works. Beats me as I don't do filesharing but this is just a clip of one of the studio logos before the movie starts. It contains the problem.

Thx,

I download it :)
And i make log just after :)
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

You rock, Seb. Thanks so much!

[Sebastiii]

Ok, i've download it,

I make BD struture with tsMuxeR_1.10.6 and after put in iso and :

SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,032. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,064. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,096. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,128. Resync stream.
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position00:00:00,160. Resync stream.

I don't know if the structure was ok.

[SamuriHL]

Hmmm. I used tsMuxer to MAKE the m2ts file, so, ummm, what the??? I didn't get any errors in the log when I created it. Very odd. Do you get an audio dropout when you play it in mpc-hc? Either your BD folder structure or the original file? The logs should both be from the same source. I guess you could rename the file I gave you and overwrite the file in your BD structure. :D

[Sebastiii]

I'll try :) let's go to log :)

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

This is the 2 logs :)

THD_Startrek_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_Startrek_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT.zip)
and
THD_Startrek_TMT3_XONAR (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_Startrek_TMT3_XONAR.zip)

Yes i have drop out with ATI with MPC :)
Thx,
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

Thanks so much, Seb. I'll take a look. Hopefully albain is watching this and will look at it, too.

[albain]

Merci Seb, I'll have a look (I still didn't watch LPCM logs)

@SamuriHL : you're a medium ??? I bought my onkyo exactly 12 months ago

I'll wait to have some money to buy another one and it that case that would be better to wait for HDMI 1.4 (and 2.0 after) receivers for 3D

I've read somewhere that HDMI 1.3 would be able to transport 3D (= 2x1080p stream) but there is not enough bandwidth remaining to transport HD audio.

[nightfly]

Here are the links to 2 StartTrek 09 test files

~610MB

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OAE3L7FH

~300MB
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TSWWGHCP

The second should prove to be the more problematic one.

[SamuriHL]

sigh. Yea, you have the HDMI daughter board problem then. That really blows! I can honestly say I truly love my Pio Elite, but, you are right, waiting for HDMI 1.4 would be better. I'll see what the whole 3d thing is like in another year or so. I don't really want to keep upgrading stuff, and I'd need a new TV to take advantage of it anyway. I may sit out a generation or two and let the tech really flourish before I jump. Or I might be so blown away by it (um, Avatar 3D) that I decide to jump in. In any case, that sucks about your receiver.

[SamuriHL]

Here are the links to 2 StartTrek 09 test files

~610MB

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OAE3L7FH

~300MB
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TSWWGHCP

The second should prove to be the more problematic one.

You're a little late to the party! :p I uploaded a sample that has the issue and Seb has already posted the logs for us. I'm running a comparison on the first blocks now to see if there are any differences, but, albain's WAY better at analyzing this stuff than me. :)

[Sebastiii]

Cool,

I'll try Araxis Merge but i really noob lol because i can't see 72XXXXXXXXXXX, i have all other but not this, i think it was in setting but i'm block lol.

:) Seb.

[Sebastiii]

THX i download it in case of :) Thx too :)

[SamuriHL]

albain - There is a difference between the blocks. I'll let you determine if it matters, but, check the actual buffer contents and you'll see what I mean. Maybe this is related to why some people can't get TrueHD to work? Who knows...

[Andy o]

Guys I posted this at AVS. If you guys have any idea how to disable ATI Powerplay on these 5000 cards, please let me know.

Hey guys I'm trying something out. I'll explain later in more detail, but I think the dropouts and other issues like the channel switching might be due to/triggered by ATI powerplay. Anyone has any idea how to disable it to test? I have already tried this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17882979#post17882979) and it just freezes my PC. Might be different for 5000 cards.

[Andy o]

Good news, i hope that it's true :)

Answer from my AMD Ticket :

Response and Service Request History:
Hopefully the newer January driver release will address this issue that you are getting. Which should be next week.

Great :)
Seb.
[Emphasis mine]
Not to be a downer here, but that seems to me like they believe in fixing drivers by praying. Methinks they have no idea if this is fixed.

[nightfly]

You're a little late to the party! :p I uploaded a sample that has the issue and Seb has already posted the logs for us. I'm running a comparison on the first blocks now to see if there are any differences, but, albain's WAY better at analyzing this stuff than me. :)

Sorry, work called and delayed my uploading. Curious how you created your sample?

sorry for using megauploads as well, but couldn't find another offhand that would take files >200MB.

Also, I had trouble converting the 2nd sample to ISO using ClownBD, but was able to convert first and will upload upon request.

[SamuriHL]

Sorry, work called and delayed my uploading. Curious how you created your sample?

sorry for using megauploads as well, but couldn't find another offhand that would take files >200MB.

I used tsMuxer and used the cut function. I started 30 seconds into it and ended it at 1 minute giving a 30 second clip that contained the problem at 17 seconds. The logs show a lot of differences, but, I don't know how to interpret it, so, I have no idea if it matters or not.

Oh, and P.S. I was only giving you a hard time about the uploading. :D It wasn't a big deal for me to create the clip.

[Andy o]

Another duplicate post from AVS:
OK I disabled ATI Powerplay, by editing the profiles.xml file in the ATI->ACE folder similarly to what the link above described (no need to create a new profile, that doesn't work actually). Dropouts are gone with fullscreen flash video (thedailyshow.com).

It also seems to fix the DD/DTS dropout issue without DXVA.

The reason it didn't happen with DXVA from what I can see now is that DXVA engaged, at least in MPC-HC, and with my 5770, stabilizes the clock, maybe it also disables Powerplay. DXVA manually downclocks my card to 400 MHz even though I've manually stabilized it at 600 MHz and disabled Powerplay myself. Close DXVA, and goes back up to 600. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17883169#post17883169)

[Andy o]

btw, that profile.xml file seems to also control other CCC options, that the registry no longer does. Maybe one can force for instance 0-255 levels on 4000 cards.

[SamuriHL]

That would be nice.

[Sebastiii]

Guys I posted this at AVS. If you guys have any idea how to disable ATI Powerplay on these 5000 cards, please let me know.


It works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But the first time, my pc freeze so i change settng but for the test i made no dropout on sample DTS-MA in software mode :)

Thx, i will testing to see what happen :)

So i set 600Mhz for GPU and 1200 to Memory. I have change Vcore to 1125, butidon't know if it's necessary :)

[Andy o]

My 5770 lists 1000 core voltage for the 600 MHz setting so that's what I set it at. Right now I'm trying to clock it the lowest possible I can get away with, and then build a profile that enables PowerPlay for gaming and such.

BTW I think you need to enable overdrive for the values you set to work (and then change manually with the slider to the values you set). Or else, PowerPlay is still disabled, but mine always stays at 600/1200.

[Sebastiii]

Andy, I have made some test and i again dropout, i will continu tomorrow, good night :)
Bye :)

[Andy o]

I don't get them. If you have overdrive enabled, and haven't set the slider to the exact amount you set it on profiles.xml, then PowerPlay will still be enabled and dropouts will still occur (happened to me). Monitor your GPU and mem clocks with GPU-Z.

BTW you can probably use DPC Latency Checker (http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml) to see how PowerPlay screws with latencies. I haven't used it though, haven't had the need.

[Sebastiii]

Thx :)

Yes this is for that, i have set 850 in ATI overdrive and 600 in xml, so dropout comes.
I have reset to 600 and for my little test for this morning it works :)
I'll made more test after :)
Thank you :)
Seb.

[VipZ]

Guys I posted this at AVS. If you guys have any idea how to disable ATI Powerplay on these 5000 cards, please let me know.


You could try this, AMD GPU Clock Tool http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-GPU-Clock-Tool-v0.9.26.0-For-HD-5870-download-2383.html

If you set a clock speed it overrides any Powerplay state, it works perfectly on my 4870 and I would assume it does for the 5000's as well.

[Sebastiii]

Thx, i will try it :)

[albain]

About StarTrek 2009, the buffers look identical in a certain way.

The tough thing with TrueHD is that the buffers are not aligned.
So if TMT starts streaming a little earlier or later (which is what's happening) then the buffers won't be identical but what counts is that each frame must be spaced equally and of course with the same content.

So maybe the problem may be the media structures this time.

On xonar, FFDShow sends 6 channels whereas TMT sends 2.

What is the difference with this sample ? is it 5.1 or 2.0 ?

SamuriHL, can you try to play with the media structures by forcing nChannels to 2 for that sample (if this is a 2.0 sample) ?

I can't test it because I have unplugged my receiver

[SamuriHL]

About StarTrek 2009, the buffers look identical in a certain way.

The tough thing with TrueHD is that the buffers are not aligned.
So if TMT starts streaming a little earlier or later (which is what's happening) then the buffers won't be identical but what counts is that each frame must be spaced equally and of course with the same content.

So maybe the problem may be the media structures this time.

On xonar, FFDShow sends 6 channels whereas TMT sends 2.

What is the difference with this sample ? is it 5.1 or 2.0 ?

SamuriHL, can you try to play with the media structures by forcing nChannels to 2 for that sample (if this is a 2.0 sample) ?

I can't test it because I have unplugged my receiver

It should be 5.1 for sure. Yea, let me grab the latest code and I'll see if can try that out. So I guess force it to 6 channel?

EDIT: Er, wait, you said TMT is sending 2? Ok, I can try that.

[SamuriHL]

Where did you commit the latest code in SVN?? I can't find your latest changes. I want to get the DTS-HD MA fix so I have the latest bitstreaming code to work with at the very least.

Nevermind. Found it. You put it in the trunk version. Grabbing it now.

[SamuriHL]

albain, help! I set nChannels to 2 and it crashes MPC-HC when I try to play Star Trek. :(


if (sf==SF_TRUEHD)
{
pWfe->nChannels=2; // 4 IEC lines, different from the number of channels
if (pWfex!=NULL)
pWfex->SubFormat=KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP;
}


That's what I needed to change, right?

EDIT: Tried changing it to 6 channels and it doesn't crash, but, I don't get any audio now nor does it even send anything to the receiver.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, this is interesting. I think you are spot on with what's going on here, I just don't know how to fix it. I decided to change that block of code back and start playing with this block of code:


if (newSampleFormat.wSubFormat!=GUID_NULL && pWfex!=NULL)
pWfex->SubFormat=newSampleFormat.wSubFormat;
if (newSampleFormat.mediaSubtype!=GUID_NULL)
mt.subtype=newSampleFormat.mediaSubtype;
if (newSampleFormat.wFormatTag!=0)
pWfe->wFormatTag=newSampleFormat.wFormatTag;
if (newSampleFormat.nChannels!=0)
//pWfe->nChannels=newSampleFormat.nChannels;
pWfe->nChannels=2;
if (newSampleFormat.wBitsPerSample!=0)
pWfe->wBitsPerSample=newSampleFormat.wBitsPerSample;
if (newSampleFormat.nSamplesPerSec!=0)
pWfe->nSamplesPerSec=newSampleFormat.nSamplesPerSec;
if (newSampleFormat.dwChannelMask!=0 && pWfex!=NULL)
pWfex->dwChannelMask=newSampleFormat.dwChannelMask;

pWfe->nBlockAlign=WORD(8*pWfe->wBitsPerSample/8);
// pWfe->nBlockAlign=WORD(pWfe->nChannels*pWfe->wBitsPerSample/8);
pWfe->nAvgBytesPerSec=pWfe->nSamplesPerSec*pWfe->nBlockAlign;


You can see the modifications I've made. The interesting part is that these changes make the problem 1000 times worse. :D So while I didn't fix it, I did manage to change it. LOL! Thoughts?

[albain]

Yes this block of code concerns the xonar and is used when ffdshow would try alternative media structures to make the connection work. Are you trying with the xonar ?


So if you're still using the xonar, this is where you can change it but you can also change the table that I defined at the beginning of TsampleFormat.cpp

Maybe this is the right test to do first : make the same structure between TMT and FFDShow with a xonar in order to confirm if the bitstream is out of cause.

EDIT :
This is here :
const TalternateSampleFormat TsampleFormat::alternateSampleFormats[]=
{
//Id, originalwSubFormat , mediaSubtype , wFormatTag , wSubFormat , nChannels, wBitsPerSample,nSamplesPerSec, dwChannelMask, isExtensible
...
2, KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP, KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_DIGITAL, WAVE_FORMAT_ESST_AC3,GUID_NULL , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0, false, // xonar
...

[SamuriHL]

No, I'm not using the Xonar for this at all. Are you sure that block of code's ONLY used for the Xonar??? Cause when I make changes to it, my ATI has definitely different affects!

[SamuriHL]

Ok, I went back and undid the changes I made and updated your table and set nChannel to 2. No change. It still breaks.

[albain]

No, I'm not using the Xonar for this at all. Are you sure that block of code's ONLY used for the Xonar??? Cause when I make changes to it, my ATI has definitely different affects!

Maybe the default structure is refused by the ATI (in that cas it means that it should be changed) and then the following is tried (in TsampleFormat.cpp) :


//Id, originalwSubFormat , mediaSubtype , wFormatTag , wSubFormat , nChannels, wBitsPerSample,nSamplesPerSec, dwChannelMask, isExtensible
1 ,KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP, MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM , WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE ,KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP, 0 , 0 , 0 , KSAUDIO_SPEAKER_7POINT1, true, // Standard #2

The first column is the device ID : 1 for standard, 2 for xonar, 3 for auzentech (not used since bitstream is not possible)
Then the second column is the format which is concerned.
Then the values that are tried. If you put 0 then the default ones (from the other block of code) are used.
Lastly, if you set isExtensible to 0, then you just get a WAVEFORMATEX structure (like xonar structures). You will want to set it to 1 for the ATIs (and then get the WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE structure that can hold more fields)

[SamuriHL]

I changed ffdshow to force "only standard" and again, no change. I updated the Cyberlink one to use 2 channels in your table. Maybe I should just set them all and try it.

[albain]

I changed ffdshow to force "only standard" and again, no change. I updated the Cyberlink one to use 2 channels in your table. Maybe I should just set them all and try it.

I have updated my post just above : first column, 1 for ATIs

[SamuriHL]

Yup. I see. Awesome info. I never knew how that table worked exactly. I've commented out the other structures to make sure it's using the one I think it is. Then I can mess with it some more.

EDIT: Ok, now I know which structure is being used, and it is set to isExtensible. So that's why it's using the values in that block of code. So, now that we have that out of the way, what do I try next? Setting the nChannel values didn't work.

[SamuriHL]

I don't know. I changed it to ONLY use the first type and then changed the parameters in that block of code we looked at before (yes it's set to extensible so it's definitely calling that code), and it's just not doing what I want. It's not taking some of the params I'm setting so this is VERY confusing. :(

[albain]

I don't know. I changed it to ONLY use the first type and then changed the parameters in that block of code we looked at before (yes it's set to extensible so it's definitely calling that code), and it's just not doing what I want. It's not taking some of the params I'm setting so this is VERY confusing. :(

Normally you should have set "Try all formats" in output section, right ?
This table will be used if you get this message in the logs :
"TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat format not supported, trying another one" which means that the default structure is refused and then ffdshow will address the table (in TaudioParser.cpp:195)

Otherwise this means that the default format is accepted and the initial block we spoke about is the one to modify. So I am a little lost too if changing those values has no effect.
The better would be that you send me logs in that case

[Andy o]

You could try this, AMD GPU Clock Tool http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-GPU-Clock-Tool-v0.9.26.0-For-HD-5870-download-2383.html

If you set a clock speed it overrides any Powerplay state, it works perfectly on my 4870 and I would assume it does for the 5000's as well.

Thanks, I will try. I have no idea about gaming, and I googled on the gaming forums for an app, and didn't find anything. This should be easier.

[SamuriHL]

Normally you should have set "Try all formats" in output section, right ?
This table will be used if you get this message in the logs :
"TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat format not supported, trying another one" which means that the default structure is refused and then ffdshow will address the table (in TaudioParser.cpp:195)

Otherwise this means that the default format is accepted and the initial block we spoke about is the one to modify. So I am a little lost too if changing those values has no effect.
The better would be that you send me logs in that case

Usually I do have the try all, yes. But I wanted to narrow down what it's using so I can control it better in the code. I'll create some logs in a bit. I want to watch a movie with my son after lunch.

[nightfly]

About StarTrek 2009, the buffers look identical in a certain way.

The tough thing with TrueHD is that the buffers are not aligned.
So if TMT starts streaming a little earlier or later (which is what's happening) then the buffers won't be identical but what counts is that each frame must be spaced equally and of course with the same content.


In my testing this makes sense...I have 2 MPC setups; one that uses the MPC splitter and another that uses the Arcsoft splitter. While I get dropouts in both at consistent points, those points are different between filters. In general, my observation is that the dropouts are worst using the MPC splitter.

I also have the ffdshow trunk code down and compiling and can help out.

[Andy o]

You could try this, AMD GPU Clock Tool http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-GPU-Clock-Tool-v0.9.26.0-For-HD-5870-download-2383.html

If you set a clock speed it overrides any Powerplay state, it works perfectly on my 4870 and I would assume it does for the 5000's as well.

Yeah, thanks for the tip, it works. The thing is that you need to set the numbers every time manually, is there any option for hotkeys?

[jimwhite]

About StarTrek 2009, the buffers look identical in a certain way.

The tough thing with TrueHD is that the buffers are not aligned.
So if TMT starts streaming a little earlier or later (which is what's happening) then the buffers won't be identical but what counts is that each frame must be spaced equally and of course with the same content.

So maybe the problem may be the media structures this time.

On xonar, FFDShow sends 6 channels whereas TMT sends 2.

What is the difference with this sample ? is it 5.1 or 2.0 ?

SamuriHL, can you try to play with the media structures by forcing nChannels to 2 for that sample (if this is a 2.0 sample) ?

I can't test it because I have unplugged my receiver

As I said a couple of days ago, it looks like TMT is descrbing it as PCM 2.0, which is exactly what a "bitstream" is... it is encoded audio frames sent in a pcm stream... exactly the way DD and DTS are sent on spdif via AC3.

[jimwhite]

Ok, I went back and undid the changes I made and updated your table and set nChannel to 2. No change. It still breaks.

did you also set the stream type to PCM?

[SamuriHL]

did you also set the stream type to PCM?

No. I didn't mess with the stream type.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, had a little more time to mess with this. Loaded it up in PDVD9 and connected to the graph.


wFormatTag: 49155
nChannels: 8
nSamplesPerSec: 192000
nAvgBytesPerSec: 3072000
nBlockAlign: 16
wBitsPerSample: 16
cbSize: 0


Does anything stick out here?

EDIT:

ffdshow:


wFormatTag: 65534
nChannels: 8
nSamplesPerSec: 192000
nAvgBytesPerSec: 3072000
nBlockAlign: 16
wBitsPerSample: 16
cbSize: 22
wSamplesPerBlock: 16
dwChannelMask: 255


Hmmm

[SamuriHL]

HELP. I need one of you that has the full disc to confirm something for me. I need you to do the following EXACTLY as I state:

-Load up MPC-HC
-Start playing the Star Trek movie
-Get to about 45 seconds when it has the first dropout and let it hit that
-Take the MPC-HC slider and slide it backwards...let's say to 10 seconds
-Let it continue playing

Do you get dropouts at ALL after that??? I don't. albain, could the TrueHD buffer be getting corrupt somehow in memory?

[whurlston]

Give me about 15-20 minutes and I'll let you know.

[SamuriHL]

It seems to get out of sync again (that's not really a correct term here, but, the dropout occurs again) later down the road, but, not in the same places if you go backwards like that. This is freaking bizarre. I don't believe there's a problem with the structure. I think it's an issue with the buffer somehow. I just don't know what to do to figure it out.

[VipZ]

Yeah, thanks for the tip, it works. The thing is that you need to set the numbers every time manually, is there any option for hotkeys?

Good :)
You can create shortcuts to set speeds.
ie, AMDGPUClockTool.exe -eng=200 -mem=250

[whurlston]

@SHL, yup dropouts are still there.

[SamuriHL]

Damn. I don't get it. I've literally spent several hours on this today and I just have NO idea why this is happening and only on this one title. Yet WinDVD 2010, PDVD9, and TMT3 have zero problems with it. So it has to be something in ffdshow. But....what?? It's driving me absolutely freaking insane.

[whurlston]

I'll try to take a look when I get a chance but the recent cold snap has me doing some insulating that I've been putting off. I can't promise I'll figure it out though.

[SamuriHL]

It beats the hell out of me. If you turn passthrough off and let ffdshow decode it, all is well. Something in the passthrough code is screwing it up on certain frames. But it's not consistent, at least for me. If I let it hit one of the dropouts, and then go back before it, then it doesn't happen in the same place for me. So, um, yeaaaaaa.

[Ogider]

When I bought 5750..I started to check..every kind of sound..from movie that I had.
And it happens that for TrueHD I checked StarTrek.
Of coz audio dropuots was here,I thought that maybe there is somethink with my soft..basicly I did fresh instalation of Win7 32..with all new drivers and codecs..(ffdshow,matroska,mpc HC,ati drivers and after realtek ati hdmi fix)_ +Edid for onkyo 906...it wasnt needed for me..but I did it also.
One thing wasnt done successful..registering this MPCaudioRendererFilter.ax.

Anyway.

Startrek played from m2ts on MPCHC ..have audio problems...basily each time when I trying jump to another part of movie..audio is gone..silence..sometime pushing back and forward helping...so I went into Spiderman 3..he have TrueHD also...I make small sample (3min) and sound is same as for startrek...for now I decide to .."unmark" trueHD in ffdshow audio..together with Ac3(S/pdif encode mode)..witch give me on my Amp..Multichanel..same as normal LPCM tracks.

But I m crossing fingers for resolve this "trueHD problem"

Also I noticed that after some hours of watching..video with no hd audio formats..like for example :Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 192kbps :..somethink starting happens with sound..like..strong noise..or dropouts...in that case helping for me is mark again option in audio ffdshow/output..AC3(s/pdif-encode mode)
Tbh this happening..sometime faster..sometime after long watch...hardware temp like..ram mobo..cpu..ati..even amp..is ok :)


Sorry but my english isnt best I m affraid :)

[SamuriHL]

Yea, that really makes me think something screwy is going on with the buffer, but, I really have absolutely no idea how to track and kill that kind of a bug. Hopefully whurlston or albain has a clue on this. It's really annoying and quite frankly irritating me now. I wish I knew how to fix it but it's truly beyond my knowledge.

Oh, and albain, it's accepting the media type. No need to provide logs as it's doing what you think it should be on that.

[albain]

HELP. I need one of you that has the full disc to confirm something for me. I need you to do the following EXACTLY as I state:

-Load up MPC-HC
-Start playing the Star Trek movie
-Get to about 45 seconds when it has the first dropout and let it hit that
-Take the MPC-HC slider and slide it backwards...let's say to 10 seconds
-Let it continue playing

Do you get dropouts at ALL after that??? I don't. albain, could the TrueHD buffer be getting corrupt somehow in memory?

It might be : as I said the hard part on TrueHD is that the frames are separated by a number of zeros that are calculated from the timestamps inside each frame.

Also when I made some reverse engineering on THD, I saw that there were some recalculations of the buffer space when there is a seeking but I assume that this is not the case when you start a movie.

Here how it works :

Frame1 : time1
Number of zeros = (time2-time1)*coef
Frame2 : time2
Number of zeros = (time3-time2)*coef
Frame3 : time3...

So if the first number of zeros is wrongly calculated, then all the data frames are delayed which should cause dropouts.

This is what should occur as the buffers are not aligned between TMT and FFDShow with the logs you sent me whereas they were perfectly aligned on all the other samples we tested.

I probably didn't analyze the frames enough, I'll let you know : the problem probably comes from the first frame(s) (after the data frames are spaced evenly to TMT)

But what you experienced Samuri means that the media structures are not in cause, so the buffers are

[SamuriHL]

It might be : as I said the hard part on TrueHD is that the frames are separated by a number of zeros that are calculated from the timestamps inside each frame.

Also when I made some reverse engineering on THD, I saw that there were some recalculations of the buffer space when there is a seeking but I assume that this is not the case when you start a movie.

Here how it works :

Frame1 : time1
Number of zeros = (time2-time1)*coef
Frame2 : time2
Number of zeros = (time3-time2)*coef
Frame3 : time3...

So if the first number of zeros is wrongly calculated, then all the data frames are delayed which should cause dropouts.

This is what should occur as the buffers are not aligned between TMT and FFDShow with the logs you sent me whereas they were perfectly aligned on all the other samples we tested.

I probably didn't analyze the frames enough, I'll let you know : the problem probably comes from the first frame(s) (after the data frames are spaced evenly to TMT)

But what you experienced Samuri means that the media structures are not in cause, so the buffers are

Yup, ok, that makes sense. It only seems to happen on certain frames, which may make this difficult to pin down. And going back and replaying it, at least for me, moves where it happens. I'm not sure what I can do to help here.

[Andy o]

Good :)
You can create shortcuts to set speeds.
ie, AMDGPUClockTool.exe -eng=200 -mem=250

Oh, nice, I can put this command at startup then. Thanks again.

[lboregard]

just wanted to share success story and heartful thanks to albain and all other guys that made this bitstream possible.

windows 7 32 bit
ati 9.12 + hotfix
realtek 2.39
denon tulli override
mpchc r1489
ffdshow r3181

ati radeon 5770
sony bravia kdl37 xbr6
denon avr 1909

set ffdshow to decode mostly everything audio (with libavcodec, except ac3/liba52, dts/libdts), passthrough for everything (ffdshow audio), 16-bit integer output

it's bitstreaming everything i've thrown at it, the only glitch is i am legend produced no sounds, but i havent looked into it further

thanks a lot to you all !!!

[nightfly]

It might be : as I said the hard part on TrueHD is that the frames are separated by a number of zeros that are calculated from the timestamps inside each frame.

Also when I made some reverse engineering on THD, I saw that there were some recalculations of the buffer space when there is a seeking but I assume that this is not the case when you start a movie.

Here how it works :

Frame1 : time1
Number of zeros = (time2-time1)*coef
Frame2 : time2
Number of zeros = (time3-time2)*coef
Frame3 : time3...

So if the first number of zeros is wrongly calculated, then all the data frames are delayed which should cause dropouts.

This is what should occur as the buffers are not aligned between TMT and FFDShow with the logs you sent me whereas they were perfectly aligned on all the other samples we tested.

I probably didn't analyze the frames enough, I'll let you know : the problem probably comes from the first frame(s) (after the data frames are spaced evenly to TMT)

But what you experienced Samuri means that the media structures are not in cause, so the buffers are

I also get the first dropout @~46sec if using the MPC MPEG splitter. Using the Arcsoft demuxer, it doesn't happen until close to 2 mins in.

Also, using the MPC splitter and playing a THD title, I have issues on other THD titles if I pause/skip around that play just fine using the Arcsoft Demuxer/splitter. Sometimes I lose all audio until I forward "enough" to get it to come back. Only one or two work well (Kung Fu Panda typically works well).

Using the Arcsoft Demuxer/splitter, I've been able to playback/stop/pause/skip around flawlessly in all tested THD titles (~20) except for our problem child, ST 09.

[albain]

Damm, this is hard to find out what's going on with this Star Trek sample. What JJ Abrams put in his "movie potion" ? :rolleyes:

The problem here is that TMT starts streaming "after" FFDShow (TMT drops a few buffers) so as I said all the buffers are not aligned between those 2, but I guess that if this was a problem you should get an audio delay, but no dropouts.

So this should be something going on after, but this is hard to analyze

[SamuriHL]

If you think of anything I can do to help, let me know. I spent a few hours on it yesterday and was not able to figure it out at all. I think something's happening with the buffer to cause these minor dropouts, but, I have no idea what. It's freaky that rewinding changes where the dropout occurs.

[albain]

No thanks I was just complaining

[SamuriHL]

Ok. :) That's perfectly acceptable given the nature of this problem. :D

[Skinleech]

Do you want me to test this on the Xonar as well? The original disk I mean.

I can check when I get home from work - that'll be about 8 hours though, I just got in.

As Ogider notes above I also lose audio with THD tracks when skipping forwards, No Signal shows up on my AVR. I usually find if I skip back to the start of a chapter the audio returns.

[cyrilp]

When I bought 5750..I started to check..every kind of sound..from movie that I had.
And it happens that for TrueHD I checked StarTrek.
Of coz audio dropuots was here,I thought that maybe there is somethink with my soft..basicly I did fresh instalation of Win7 32..with all new drivers and codecs..(ffdshow,matroska,mpc HC,ati drivers and after realtek ati hdmi fix)_ +Edid for onkyo 906...it wasnt needed for me..but I did it also.
One thing wasnt done successful..registering this MPCaudioRendererFilter.ax.

Anyway.

Startrek played from m2ts on MPCHC ..have audio problems...basily each time when I trying jump to another part of movie..audio is gone..silence..sometime pushing back and forward helping...so I went into Spiderman 3..he have TrueHD also...I make small sample (3min) and sound is same as for startrek...for now I decide to .."unmark" trueHD in ffdshow audio..together with Ac3(S/pdif encode mode)..witch give me on my Amp..Multichanel..same as normal LPCM tracks.

But I m crossing fingers for resolve this "trueHD problem"

Also I noticed that after some hours of watching..video with no hd audio formats..like for example :Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 192kbps :..somethink starting happens with sound..like..strong noise..or dropouts...in that case helping for me is mark again option in audio ffdshow/output..AC3(s/pdif-encode mode)
Tbh this happening..sometime faster..sometime after long watch...hardware temp like..ram mobo..cpu..ati..even amp..is ok :)


Sorry but my english isnt best I m affraid :)

Hi all,

Just to tell you that i have the same problem with True HD, not only on Star trek but on every movie using it.

DTS HD is working just fine.

Thank you Albain for all this work !! (I'm from Paris).

Cyril

[nightfly]

Anyone have the Halli splitter installed? If so, test some THD titles and see if that affects your ability to jump around a title with a THD track.

Again, from my experience, using the Arcsoft TMT2 demuxer, I can move around a THD title with no issue.

MPC-HC splitter not so - it's very touchy and works best from a stopped state at the beginning of a THD title.

I have on my list to try earlier versions of the MPC splitter, but have been too busy to do so and I also don't expect much difference based upon change log for the splitter.

Any other THD compatible splitters/demuxers out there? I prefer the MPC splitter due to sub-title support and ability to switch audio streams (for those uncommon cases where the HD audio is not the first audio track for a movie).

[clsid]

Haali also supports stream switching. Either through its own icon, or through the Filters context menu in MPC.

[Sebastiii]

Hi :) for me haali don't work very good :(
Thx,
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi i have a little question about lipsync, i have a lipsync issue with my avr-355 about 300ms (the sound comes before video) so it's wierd, on avr, i have set adjust lipsync @ max 180 ms, but i think it doesn't change anything.
If i use HDMI ATI VIDEO directly to my VP, and take sound from my motherboard or Xonar -> lipsync issue is gone.

So the solution that i made is to use Delay option of ffdshow but it works on no bitstream sound, i must use AC3 encode on 5.1 multichannel to give AC3 to my AVR.

So my question is :) Is it possible to add an delay on Bitstream Sound ?
Thx and sorry for HS :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi i have a little question about lipsync, i have a lipsync issue with my avr-355 about 300ms (the sound comes before video) so it's wierd, on avr, i have set adjust lipsync @ max 180 ms, but i think it doesn't change anything.
If i use HDMI ATI VIDEO directly to my VP, and take sound from my motherboard or Xonar -> lipsync issue is gone.

So the solution that i made is to use Delay option of ffdshow but it doesn't on bitstream sound, i must use AC3 encode on 5.1 multichannel to give AC3 to my AVR.

So my question is :) Is it possible to add an delay on Bitstream Sound ?
Thx and sorry for HS :)
Seb.

[rica]

Hi guys,
lets refresh the current status on the relationship between ffdshow and AVRs?
Denon needs tulli's override.
Yamaha doesn't?
Pio doesn't need after the latest ffdshow updates afaik?
Sony, what about Sony?

[nightfly]

Hi guys,
lets refresh the current status on the relationship between ffdshow and AVRs?
Denon needs tulli's override.
Yamaha doesn't?
Pio doesn't need after the latest ffdshow updates afaik?
Sony, what about Sony?

You mean using ATI graphics right?

As with my Nvidia graphics and Denon 988/2308 I have no issues.

[nightfly]

Hi :) for me haali don't work very good :(
Thx,
Seb.

Damn, I consistently mis-spell that splitter. Yes, Haali. Used to be my preferred splitter when using primarily DVDs - but for HD/BD, it didn't/doesn't work so well.

[rica]

You mean using ATI graphics right?

As with my Nvidia graphics and Denon 988/2308 I have no issues.

Yea, i meant Ati.
But i didn't understand what you mean with "you had no issues with nVidia" ; in HD bitstreaming or video processing? AFAIK it doesn't bitstream even i wish it would.

[Sebastiii]

Hi Rica,
With HARMAN, i have no PB for now except DTS-HR 7.1 detected in DTS-MA 5.1 with ffdshow.
About PDVD9 or TMT is ok :)
Thx,
Seb.

[albain]

Hi i have a little question about lipsync, i have a lipsync issue with my avr-355 about 300ms (the sound comes before video) so it's wierd, on avr, i have set adjust lipsync @ max 180 ms, but i think it doesn't change anything.
If i use HDMI ATI VIDEO directly to my VP, and take sound from my motherboard or Xonar -> lipsync issue is gone.

So the solution that i made is to use Delay option of ffdshow but it works on no bitstream sound, i must use AC3 encode on 5.1 multichannel to give AC3 to my AVR.

So my question is :) Is it possible to add an delay on Bitstream Sound ?
Thx and sorry for HS :)
Seb.

Hi,
do you have the problem with the xonar + TMT, or with PowerDVD + ATI ?

Indeed, the audio delay is not managed in bitstream mode but it could be but I rather think there is a problem somewhere :
1/ The sample may not have correctly muxed in the container (unless you play BR m2ts file directly)
2/ It may be a bug from the splitter that does not send the video and audio sample in a synchroneous way
3/ It may be a bug from the audio/video driver that does not encapsulate the audio & video streams correctly in the HDMI format. Maybe trying another audio renderer can solve the issue unless the problem is located onto the driver.
4/ Maybe timestamps have to be managed differently in FFDShow but I doubt that. For bitstream formats the renderer doesn't care about those.

[Andy o]

I get a video delay, but it's my system, and only noticeable with 24 Hz refresh. I fix it on the receiver as it doesn't do it by time interval, but by frames (5 frames on mine). So when set to 60 Hz, the delay time is adjusted and everything's always in sync.

Sebastiii does it happen always, with other formats, and bitstreaming with PowerDVD 9 or WinDVD 2010 if you have them?

[albain]

Hey,

I didn't be careful but : I saw that the first buffers that are sent by FFDShow are not present in TMT.
I thought that this was because TMT dropped some or started to stream with a delay but this is not the case.
The buffers that are sent by FFDShow at the beginning are not TrueHD buffers (!)

Sebastii could you send me a link to the startrek sample you used to get the logs ? Thanks
I am also interested in debugview logs with this same sample with FFDShow + MPC

PS : I have sent my receiver to repair, I'm "blind" again lol

[SamuriHL]

Hey,

I didn't be careful but : I saw that the first buffers that are sent by FFDShow are not present in TMT.
I thought that this was because TMT dropped some or started to stream with a delay but this is not the case.
The buffers that are sent by FFDShow at the beginning are not TrueHD buffers (!)

Sebastii could you send me a link to the startrek sample you used to get the logs ? Thanks
I am also interested in debugview logs with this same sample with FFDShow + MPC

PS : I have sent my receiver to repair, I'm "blind" again lol

Neat about the buffer. Seb will have to post the sample as I don't have it up there anymore. And that REALLY sucks about your receiver. I need to send mine out, too, but, I'll wait til I get back from vacation.

[jimwhite]

PS : I have sent my receiver to repair, I'm "blind" again lol

.... whence you do some of your best work!! ;)

[Sebastiii]

Hi all :)

Thx for answering me :)
I'll made test tonight to see and describe if i have the pb with Xonar, PDVD, 24Hz :)
But for me I think the problem is on all the videos that go through my AVR, because when my AVR goes to SAV, i have directly put HDMI on my VP and Sound on AVR via Digital Out -> No Delay.
I'll make this test to, put HDMI to AVR like now and sound from motherboard in Digital (not sound from HDMI like Xonar or HDMI ATI) and see more clearly to define my issue :)

Thx you :)
I upload the sample right now :)
I'll put link when is done and i'll made log for I am also interested in debugview logs with this same sample with FFDShow + MPC

And i hope that your receiver comes quickly and repair of course :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

The link :) StarTrek_Clip (http://sebinternet.free.fr/StarTrek_Clip.rar)
Thx :)

[Sebastiii]

Hi again :)

The debugview log :)

Debugview-FFDshow-MPC (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Debugview-FFDshow-MPC.zip)
Bye :)

I go to test delay audio :)

[albain]

Merci Seb,

I am downloading them

[Sebastiii]

Je t'en prie :) Je test toujours my sound :)

So i think it was worst on 24Hz than 60Hz but i have always a delay, my delay don't comes from now but it's a long time that i have this. Solution No bitstream and reencode by ffdshow or reclock.
But now that bitstream works good :) héhé, i don't want to bypass it lol.
It's possible to add the same fonction of Delay easyly for bitstream too ? (it's like Lipsync software :)

Thx i'll test the beta of ATI 10.1 to see if dropout goes out too :)
Seb.

Edit: i have also with TMT and Sound on motherboard.

[Sebastiii]

Damien,

For debugview log, i have maybe something wrong.
I have made it with MPC-HC + FFDshow Audio and Directsound Renderer.
But maybe i must log with MPC-HC - FFDshow Audio with Xonar and Arcsoft Renderer ? (i think yes) i'm lost lol :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

In case of :)

Debugview-FFDshow-MPC-Xonar-Arcsoft.zip (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Debugview-FFDshow-MPC-Xonar-Arcsoft.zip)

:)

[albain]

That's all okay, I think I understand what's going wrong

Here is a new build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3200_20100112_dbt_thd_fix_beta1.exe)

Please tell me if this fixes the problem.

If it does not there is another thing that may need to be fixed

Now the buffers are aligned with TMT

[Sebastiii]

Great i'm testing right now :)
Big Thx as usual :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Perfect :) Nickel :) No Dropout on the sample :)

You're succeed :) A very BIG Hat :)

Merci Damien :)

EDIT : Ouppss, i have tested the long sample (600Mo) and the dropout are again here :( Sorry for the bad news :(
EDIT2 : If i seek even on little sample th e sound don't comes quickly and after many dropout. (If i seek with PDVD it block and i must kill it) so maybe it's the sample lol
EDIT3 : With long Sample and PDVD i can seek and no dropout.

Very strange and hard to find !

[rica]

some new advices: (32 bit MPC over Win 7/64 ) with the latest 12 drivers.

load ffdshow rev. 3195.
load MPC-HC 1503.

Here are the setups:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2808/output.png (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/output.png/)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7054/internal.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/internal.png/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7200/externalw.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/externalw.png/)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2246/audioswitcher.png (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/audioswitcher.png/)



And start playing your BD and pause.
Go to the menu > play > filters > ffdshow audio decoder and and adjust:

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7415/ffdshowa.png (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/ffdshowa.png/)



3200 didn't work for me btw.

[Jeremy Duncan]

I wonder if those people who have errors could test different uncompressed decoders from the codecs tab.
Go through each decoder in the uncompressed decoder list.

And set the output decoder to 16bit integer too. Maybe Rica could reply if this fixes the error he reported? :)

link to post about somebody saying the audio is 16bit not 24bit (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1212486&highlight=16bit), and if your setting the uncompressed decoder to 24bit and it's really 16bit then you might get a error, so go through each decoder to see if this helps correct your audio problem.

[albain]

Perfect :) Nickel :) No Dropout on the sample :)

You're succeed :) A very BIG Hat :)

Merci Damien :)

EDIT : Ouppss, i have tested the long sample (600Mo) and the dropout are again here :( Sorry for the bad news :(
EDIT2 : If i seek even on little sample th e sound don't comes quickly and after many dropout. (If i seek with PDVD it block and i must kill it) so maybe it's the sample lol
EDIT3 : With long Sample and PDVD i can seek and no dropout.

Very strange and hard to find !

The dropouts occur after a long time ?

Would it be possible to get dumper logs of the long sample then with dropouts in it (please note after how many seconds you get the dropouts) ?

I think t

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)
I'll made log between 12H00 and 13H00 and i post it, but i'm not @home i think the first drop is @ 47 seconds on long sample and on short when drop comes it's @ 17 seconds.
Thx,
Seb ;)

[Sebastiii]

Albain,

You want log from dumper tool with ATI and Directsound renderer in MPC-HC with ffdshow of course, is it right ?
Thx,
Seb.

Edit : I can't because AVR is in standby, so ATI HDMI not connected :(
I can make log with Xonar + Arcsoft in MPC-HC if you want :)

[albain]

Yes, I have the TMT + xonar logs already and they are 50 seconds duration so this is enough

Indeed I need the ATI + FFDShow logs

Thanks, this is not urgent though

Damien

[Sebastiii]

Hi,
do you have the problem with the xonar + TMT, or with PowerDVD + ATI ?

Indeed, the audio delay is not managed in bitstream mode but it could be but I rather think there is a problem somewhere :
1/ The sample may not have correctly muxed in the container (unless you play BR m2ts file directly)
2/ It may be a bug from the splitter that does not send the video and audio sample in a synchroneous way
3/ It may be a bug from the audio/video driver that does not encapsulate the audio & video streams correctly in the HDMI format. Maybe trying another audio renderer can solve the issue unless the problem is located onto the driver.
4/ Maybe timestamps have to be managed differently in FFDShow but I doubt that. For bitstream formats the renderer doesn't care about those.

I have made test and thank you for explain maybe the issue :)
I think it comes from AVR.
But like Andy O suggest, for me in 60hz the delay is short but is here.
In 24Hz the delay is more long a little more long like i said is about 250-300ms.

I hope that is a option that you can add finger in the nose :) lol

Thx,
Seb.

[albain]

I forgot, right, I will try to add that option

EDIT : you have the video delay in FFDShow video configuration > Queue & misc ("Queue et divers" for you)

The result will be the same

[Sebastiii]

Thx Albain ;)

I'll try that :) but i have to put time below 0 for video, i don't know if it's possible lol :)
Big thx again,
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi, it works with negative value :) Great :)
I don't know why (or maybe with Beta drivers ATI) i can't use Dumptool with MPC, ffdshow crash or maybe it with Rev 3200 ?
I'll try to find why.
Seb.

Edit : For dropout in long smaple, i have @ 45 and 51 secondes :)

[nightfly]

I just installed the "...thd_beta1" over my existing ffdshow install.

I did not observe really any impact on the ST09 drop out issues other than the 46 sec first drop out moved to ~41sec. Using either the MPC or the AS splitters, same results as before.

[nightfly]

Yea, i meant Ati.
But i didn't understand what you mean with "you had no issues with nVidia" ; in HD bitstreaming or video processing? AFAIK it doesn't bitstream even i wish it would.

Well, yes, I forgot to mention that my Xonar is in the loop:)

[Sebastiii]

I'm not sure that the log was good. I must be use with arcsoft Renderer otherwise it crash.

The log : 2010.01.13_bitstream MPC FFDSHOW ATI Arcsoft (http://sebinternet.free.fr/2010.01.13_bitstream.rar)

It doesn't crash if i set Only xonar (but i use ATI)
It doesn't crash if i use Arcsoft
It seems that it crash like PDVD :

Nom de l’application défaillante PowerDVD9.exe, version : 9.0.2302.0, horodatage : 0x4aee7d23
Nom du module défaillant : KERNELBASE.dll, version : 6.1.7600.16385, horodatage : 0x4a5bdaae
Code d’exception : 0x0eedfade
Décalage d’erreur : 0x00009617
ID du processus défaillant : 0x1700
Heure de début de l’application défaillante : 0x01ca9492e72a8cd1
Chemin d’accès de l’application défaillante : C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD9\PowerDVD9.exe
Chemin d’accès du module défaillant: C:\Windows\system32\KERNELBASE.dll
ID de rapport : 2941c554-0086-11df-bc84-002618527746

Nom de l’application défaillante mplayerc.exe, version : 1.3.1453.0, horodatage : 0x4b376e1d
Nom du module défaillant : KERNELBASE.dll, version : 6.1.7600.16385, horodatage : 0x4a5bdaae
Code d’exception : 0x0eedfade
Décalage d’erreur : 0x00009617
ID du processus défaillant : 0x163c
Heure de début de l’application défaillante : 0x01ca9492c94c6684
Chemin d’accès de l’application défaillante : C:\Utils\MPC_homecinema_HD\mplayerc.exe
Chemin d’accès du module défaillant: C:\Windows\system32\KERNELBASE.dll
ID de rapport : 0cc1f726-0086-11df-bc84-002618527746


Maybe it is fixable :)
Seb.

[rica]

I don't know why (or maybe with Beta drivers ATI) i can't use Dumptool with MPC, ffdshow crash or maybe it with Rev 3200 ?


Test result is negative for me with my 5770 and 7/64.
3200 crashes. (this is why i suggested 3195)

[Sebastiii]

Hi Rica :)

I have tested with older version to beta54 and the same thing.
The other log that i made is with arcsoft + xonar -> don't crash, i have retested too.
It's something with ATI and Dumptool, but it's the same error with PDVD.

Thx :)

[rica]

seb, i didn't use dump tool yet but it crashes.

[rica]

Guys this might be interesting for some of you:
I've been awared i don't need tulli's override anymore (for my Denon) with 12 official drivers (by alone not tested with Realtek yet) for none of those SW:

PDVD9,
WinDVD Pro 2010,
ffdShow :)

(for ffdshow+MPC-HC setup refer to:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1363212#post1363212 )

BTW: Ati 5770 and 7/64 with Denon 1910...

EDIT: I've just checked even Realtek 2.39 over official 12 drivers work as well with all the players already mentioned without EDID override.

[Sebastiii]

Great news :)

[piit]

i don't need tulli's override anymore (for my Denon) with 12 official drivers

What do you mean by "12 official drivers"? Many people including me have tested with Catalyst 9.12 (first release or hotfix) and the override was still needed...

[albain]

Hi i have a little question about lipsync, i have a lipsync issue with my avr-355 about 300ms (the sound comes before video) so it's wierd, on avr, i have set adjust lipsync @ max 180 ms, but i think it doesn't change anything.
If i use HDMI ATI VIDEO directly to my VP, and take sound from my motherboard or Xonar -> lipsync issue is gone.

So the solution that i made is to use Delay option of ffdshow but it works on no bitstream sound, i must use AC3 encode on 5.1 multichannel to give AC3 to my AVR.

So my question is :) Is it possible to add an delay on Bitstream Sound ?
Thx and sorry for HS :)
Seb.

Yes I realized this after proposing this workaround

A delay setting should be added in the audio part.

Audio presets will do the rest do deal with different situations

[Sebastiii]

Thx Damien :)

[SamuriHL]

Have you figured out anything more on the ST 2009 problem?

[Sebastiii]

Hi SamuriHL, i try to log but i have an error with dumptool :(
So albain have not fixed entirely.
Thx,
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, no problem, Seb. Just an FYI, I'm going to be gone next week so I won't be around much or be able to help out in any way as I won't have access to my equipment.

[albain]

Seb, the dump you got me (2010.01.13.bitstream.rar) looks weird

I have seen no change with previous FFDShow version compared to my PC.

Could you retry with revision 3202 posted on xvidvideo.ru ?

Thanks

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

Yes it's maybe because i use ARCSOFT Audio Renderer, if i use directsound or other renderer (for ex ATI HDMI Audio etc.) MPC-HC crash, and crash like PDVD.
I have post the report (LOG Crash (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1363455#post1363455)) but i don't know if usefull.
I have try with 3202 and even older it crash :(.
I think i never log with MPC-HC (Dumptool) and ATI, but only with MPC-HC (Dumptool) and Xonar and of course FFDSHOW :)

Big Thx,
Seb.

[albain]

Okay, it should not be a problem that you get logs from the xonar then (as long as FFDShow is in the loop) : the bitstream generated by FFDSHow is the same

Thanks

[Sebastiii]

Great :) cool :) i'll made log :)
Thanks :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

This is log from MPC-HC, FFDSHOW Xonar and Arcsoft Renderer :)

Bitstream_long_ffdshow_xonar_arcsoft (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream_long_ffdshow_xonar_arcsoft.rar) The upload is finish lol :)

Thanks,
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

[Emphasis mine]
Not to be a downer here, but that seems to me like they believe in fixing drivers by praying. Methinks they have no idea if this is fixed.

Hi,

I confirm your answer, because i receive an email that AMD can't reproduce this issue and ask me to make clean install, bios etc.

I hope and pray that it find the solution :)
Seb.

[albain]

Hi,

I confirm your answer, because i receive an email that AMD can't reproduce this issue and ask me to make clean install, bios etc.

I hope and pray that it find the solution :)
Seb.

Damm it, they are lame, everybody has this issue

This not that complicated to reproduce.

They take MPC-HC, disable dxva decoders, and play a movie file with AC3 or DTS track in it

I am pretty sure that (if they really made some tests which is not sure) that they were in hardware acceleration mode

[tetsuo55]

Damm it, they are lame, everybody has this issue

This not that complicated to reproduce.

They take MPC-HC, disable dxva decoders, and play a movie file with AC3 or DTS track in it

I am pretty sure that (if they really made some tests which is not sure) that they were in hardware acceleration modetry reporting the bug again, or replying to what they said, but by using these instructions: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting

[Andy o]

He's talking about ATI support actually.

[Andy o]

Damm it, they are lame, everybody has this issue

This not that complicated to reproduce.

They take MPC-HC, disable dxva decoders, and play a movie file with AC3 or DTS track in it

I am pretty sure that (if they really made some tests which is not sure) that they were in hardware acceleration mode

We even know what's causing it, so it should be relatively easy for them to fix, you know, if they tried.

[Sebastiii]

hi,

I have answer and repeat information and surely cause by powerplay and describe how to make it work.
But i hope that some of you have open ticket too :)

I pretty sure that it doesn't go in software mode lol.
Seb.

[Skinleech]

I've mentioned before that the dropouts happen with the Xonar too when using software decoding, so it can't just be ATI surely? I have an Nvidia on board 8300 as my video card.

[tetsuo55]

He's talking about ATI support actually.so am i, the instructions are universal.

[Sebastiii]

I've mentioned before that the dropouts happen with the Xonar too when using software decoding, so it can't just be ATI surely? I have an Nvidia on board 8300 as my video card.

Strange and weird !

On my main PC with the same Motherboard and i have nvidia 9600GT on it, no dropout, i can chech with DPC Latency.

So i don't know why :)
Seb.

[tetsuo55]

Let me try again:

When reporting issues with ATI/AMD, please read this page (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting) before doing so.

ATI/AMD is especially bad with accepting issues, and what is written on that page will greatly increase the chances of ATI confirming the problem.

Every time they say "we cannot reproduce/no problem found" one or more of the 3 points are incomplete.

[albain]

Thanks Seb, I have your logs..... 1 Gb !

My text editor is warm:)

[SamuriHL]

Good luck. :) I hope you get it figured out before I get back next week. :)

[Sebastiii]

Let me try again:

When reporting issues with ATI/AMD, please read this page (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting) before doing so.

ATI/AMD is especially bad with accepting issues, and what is written on that page will greatly increase the chances of ATI confirming the problem.

Every time they say "we cannot reproduce/no problem found" one or more of the 3 points are incomplete.

Thank you :) i'll make this :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Thanks Seb, I have your logs..... 1 Gb !

My text editor is warm:)

Hi :)

Yes long sample lol :) i hope that it doesn't crash your text editor :) lol

[Andy o]

I've mentioned before that the dropouts happen with the Xonar too when using software decoding, so it can't just be ATI surely? I have an Nvidia on board 8300 as my video card.

The problem is not the audio drivers, is ATI Powerplay, which is a function of the graphics drivers. I hope it's nothing hardware-related though (unlikely as it is), cause it didn't happen with the 4000 series at all.

[Skinleech]

Strange and weird !

On my main PC with the same Motherboard and i have nvidia 9600GT on it, no dropout, i can chech with DPC Latency.

So i don't know why :)
Seb.

Thanks Seb. Weird indeed. I need to try the latest ffdshow still. What revision of the Nvidia drivers are you using?

The problem is not the audio drivers, is ATI Powerplay, which is a function of the graphics drivers. I hope it's nothing hardware-related though (unlikely as it is), cause it didn't happen with the 4000 series at all.

I wasn't saying it was audio drivers, simply pointing out that it's not an ATI specific issue to my eyes.

I don't have powerplay installed of course, and I still get dropouts when using software decoding like CoreAVC.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I'm on Win7 X64 on P6T, and my drivers is 8.16.11.9107 and date 27/09/2009.
Very strange issue !
Thanks
Seb.

[mikelebron]

What you guys are describing is exactly what happened when the XFI first hit the market... and it was DPC latency...

Its simple to check...
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Just run this test when your playing a movie... it took us a while to convince created but with this tool we were able to identify that the drivers were the culperity.. unfortunately some games were worse then other and never were completely fixed (in other words its a combination of poor design and poor drivers)

Thanks Seb. Weird indeed. I need to try the latest ffdshow still. What revision of the Nvidia drivers are you using?



I wasn't saying it was audio drivers, simply pointing out that it's not an ATI specific issue to my eyes.

I don't have powerplay installed of course, and I still get dropouts when using software decoding like CoreAVC.

[goemonate]

Has the bitstreaming DTS-MA issue with Pioneer AVR been fixed yet?

[SamuriHL]

Yup. Quite a while ago. :)

[Andy o]

I wasn't saying it was audio drivers, simply pointing out that it's not an ATI specific issue to my eyes.

I don't have powerplay installed of course, and I still get dropouts when using software decoding like CoreAVC.
Duh, I misread what you posted, I thought you were just using and 8300 board as a motherboard, sorry about that.

Anyway, there may be different causes for dropouts. Nvidia also has a Powerplay-like scheme that underclocks the gpu and memory. See if disabling that works. Or it just may be something else. Are there other people with similar setups having the same trouble?

[liquidskin76]

@All,

Check this out...

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10567.html

Looks like the perfect htpc graphics card is on the way in the passive 4650!

[albain]

Hi Seb,

I have one question : the logs you posted were from the starting point of the video or from another seeking point ?

Because when I compare TMT and FFDShow(w/ arcsoft renderer) logs, they are very different

[Skinleech]

What you guys are describing is exactly what happened when the XFI first hit the market... and it was DPC latency...

Its simple to check...
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Just run this test when your playing a movie... it took us a while to convince created but with this tool we were able to identify that the drivers were the culperity.. unfortunately some games were worse then other and never were completely fixed (in other words its a combination of poor design and poor drivers)

Thanks, I grabbed the tool, so I'll give software decoding a shot and see what happens. Crappy drivers certainly wouldn't surprise me on the part of Asus. There is a new version out though which I can try as well.

Duh, I misread what you posted, I thought you were just using and 8300 board as a motherboard, sorry about that.

Anyway, there may be different causes for dropouts. Nvidia also has a Powerplay-like scheme that underclocks the gpu and memory. See if disabling that works. Or it just may be something else. Are there other people with similar setups having the same trouble?

No worries, it's easy done on a thread like this. I don't think I have anything equivalent to Powerplay enabled on the HTPC, but I'll check and see.

I can't comment about similar setups, few of us seem to have the Xonar. Seb doesn't seem to get the issue which is interesting.

It wouldn't be a big deal, but a few pages back I posted that the MPC-HC gui seems to freeze when bitstreaming & using DXVA. It's better now that I've set my refresh rate to 24hz, but in software mode I got no freezes at all, but dropouts.

I'll post back with an update trying out the DPC tool, the latest ffdshow beta and the new Xonar drivers.

[Andy o]

I think Seb is using an ATI 5000 card and AFAIK he disabled Powerplay. The DPC checker tool should help you.

[Skinleech]

He also has a Xonar and an Nvidia card though so I assumed he was referring to that config when I mentioned it.

As you say, we'll see what the DPC tool comes back with.

[Sebastiii]

Hi Seb,

I have one question : the logs you posted were from the starting point of the video or from another seeking point ?

Because when I compare TMT and FFDShow(w/ arcsoft renderer) logs, they are very different

Hi Damien,

Of memory yes :) (Starting point of Video)
Or maybe it's that, i don't log TMT + Xonar with long sample.

So i'll make log maybe i was something wrong.
The log that i'll made :
1- TMT + Xonar Bitstream
2- MPC-HC + FFDshow (Xonar mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.
3- MPC-HC + FFDshow (ATI mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.

Be prepare to your CPU Burning :) lol.

Seb.

[Sebastiii]

I think Seb is using an ATI 5000 card and AFAIK he disabled Powerplay. The DPC checker tool should help you.

Hi Andy, Yes i use ATI 5770 (MSI) and yes i have disable Powerplay (400/900).

Seb :)

[Sebastiii]

He also has a Xonar and an Nvidia card though so I assumed he was referring to that config when I mentioned it.

As you say, we'll see what the DPC tool comes back with.

I have a xonar card in my HTPC with ATI 5770. (Dropout when powerplay is on) (Win7 32 bit)

And my main PC, i have only Nvidia 9600GT and no dropout on it. (Win7 64 bit)

Seb :)

[albain]

Hi Damien,

Of memory yes :) (Starting point of Video)
Or maybe it's that, i don't log TMT + Xonar with long sample.

So i'll make log maybe i was something wrong.
The log that i'll made :
1- TMT + Xonar Bitstream
2- MPC-HC + FFDshow (Xonar mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.
3- MPC-HC + FFDshow (ATI mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.

Be prepare to your CPU Burning :) lol.

Seb.

THanks !

[Sebastiii]

Thanks to you :)

And voila the log :)

TMT_Xonar bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TMT_Xonar bitstream.rar)
MPC-HC+FFDshow(Xonar mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/MPC-HC+FFDshow(Xonar mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream.rar)
MPC-HC+FFDshow(ATI mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/MPC-HC+FFDshow(ATI mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream.rar)

I hope is good :)
Thx,
Seb.

[albain]

Merci !

I have added an audio delay option in FFDShow audio (and removed the "use waveformatextensible" option that no one knows and cares about).
It works in analog, but I can't test it right now in numeric mode (SPDIF/HDMI) because of my receiver in vacation.

I'll make a test build tomorrow once I have analyzed the logs

[Sebastiii]

Big thx :)

I hope it work :) and i can test it when you have made it, Great :)
Do you have news about your receiver ?
I'll hope that you receive soon :)
Thanks,
Seb.

[albain]

My receiver is in medical care for 1 month at least :mad:

Anyway, I have time for other stuff

There are many things going on : DXVA, bitstream issues that are harder and harder to figure out, bugs to fix...

I hope that we will be soon be able to release a FFDShow 1.0...

[SamuriHL]

That sucks. I need to send mine in next week when I get home.

That'd be nice to get ffdshow 1.0 out though.

[THX-UltraII]

Just put in my new HD5670 that was recently released. I did also see that the ATI drivers site was updated yesterday with a specific driver or the Redwood XT (5670) http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst-driver-for-Radeon-HD5670.aspx

The driver is called ATI_RedwoodXT_8.69_RC3_VistaWin7_Dec16.exe

It s strange that the site states 'Last Update 1/14/2010' and the driver says 'Dec16' as you can see in the filename.

Was wondering if this is a real update.

Also would like to know if the Realtek HDMI driver is still needed. I ve noticed that the HDMI audio driver cannot be checked/unchecked during the ATI driver installation, but the HDMI audio device is installed and showed properly in my hardware devices after installation of the ATI package.

[jimwhite]

you already asked in a few threads at AVS and you're seriously OT here !

[THX-UltraII]

you already asked in a few threads at AVS and you're seriously OT here !

Mind your own bussiness sh*thead. First of all I only asked this question in one thread @avs and what you problem with it eh?!

[nightfly]

A bit of an overreaction I'd say. With that said, there's been a tremendous amount of discussion regarding the "best" driver config for the ATI cards to get bitstreaming to work in past pages. A search may get you your answer.

I think bitstreaming's future is the clarksdale IGP and then eventually whatever AMD comes up also.

I would be very interested in ffdshow's ability to bitstream to a i3/i5 IGP. Hopefully it won't require any special tinkering.

[David602]

A bit of an overreaction I'd say. With that said, there's been a tremendous amount of discussion regarding the "best" driver config for the ATI cards to get bitstreaming to work in past pages. A search may get you your answer.

I think bitstreaming's future is the clarksdale IGP and then eventually whatever AMD comes up also.

I would be very interested in ffdshow's ability to bitstream to a i3/i5 IGP. Hopefully it won't require any special tinkering.

Agreed! Having a Mini-ITX MB with Clarksdale CPU that delivers Hardware accelerated 1080p + Bitstreaming TrueHD/DTS HD MA without the need for a seperate sound card or video card is definately the way to go.

Near silent PC with a very small footprint, low power use and low cost. I paid $250 for my Xonar 1 year ago and now I can build an entirely new HTPC based on the intel clarksdale for $400 and lose all the issues with the Xonar. That's a big step forward in 1 year.

Definately interested in FFDSHOW + Clarksdale bitstreaming...

[andyvt]

I think bitstreaming's future is the clarksdale IGP and then eventually whatever AMD comes up also.

I would be very interested in ffdshow's ability to bitstream to a i3/i5 IGP. Hopefully it won't require any special tinkering.

Except for some glitches in one file it works really well :)

[THX-UltraII]

just installed my 5670 and did the following:

- installed a fresh W7 x64 edition
- ATI 1/14/2010 5670 x64 w7 driver package
- did NOT installed the ATI HDMI driver!
- picked the r2.39 driver from Realtek and installed it
- set the speaker properties to 5.1 in the windows audio config
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- installed the latest ffdshow and checked all bitstream boxes in the output settings
- installed the latest MPC-HC version and set 'MPC Audio Renderer' as output
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC

Don t know what I m missing but all I see is a constant switch between DTS-Master and Auto in the display of my AVR and no sound at all.

Any thoughts?

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I have retest the sample True HD 7.1 and with it i have dropout too like Startrek Sample.
So we have some trick with THD lol
I have tested it in hardware mode :)
Good luck
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

just installed my 5670 and did the following:

- installed a fresh W7 x64 edition
- ATI 1/14/2010 5670 x64 w7 driver package
- did NOT installed the ATI HDMI driver!
- picked the r2.39 driver from Realtek and installed it
- set the speaker properties to 5.1 in the windows audio config
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- installed the latest ffdshow and checked all bitstream boxes in the output settings
- installed the latest MPC-HC version and set 'MPC Audio Renderer' as output
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC

Don t know what I m missing but all I see is a constant switch between DTS-Master and Auto in the display of my AVR and no sound at all.

Any thoughts?

Hi for me i use Directsound or Directsound Realtek HDMI.
MPEG/TS and MPC Video (H264 DXVA) and (VC1 DXVA) to see if it works :)
Like is Bitstream, it works even if i set 2ch in audio of windows

Maybe you have to overide your EDID.

With PDVD is it work ?

Seb :)

[cyrilp]

just installed my 5670 and did the following:

- installed a fresh W7 x64 edition
- ATI 1/14/2010 5670 x64 w7 driver package
- did NOT installed the ATI HDMI driver!
- picked the r2.39 driver from Realtek and installed it
- set the speaker properties to 5.1 in the windows audio config
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- installed the latest ffdshow and checked all bitstream boxes in the output settings
- installed the latest MPC-HC version and set 'MPC Audio Renderer' as output
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC

Don t know what I m missing but all I see is a constant switch between DTS-Master and Auto in the display of my AVR and no sound at all.

Any thoughts?

Hi, i encountered the same problem with the last version of ffdshow, it broke the DTS Master playback.

I reinstalled the previous version and it's working again.

But i still have problems with Dolby True HD wich gives dropouts.

Cyril

[THX-UltraII]

Hi, i encountered the same problem with the last version of ffdshow, it broke the DTS Master playback.

I reinstalled the previous version and it's working again.

But i still have problems with Dolby True HD wich gives dropouts.

Cyril

which version did you install where it works? (dts-ma). Did you use the .inf override method also or not?

[THX-UltraII]

Hi for me i use Directsound or Directsound Realtek HDMI.
MPEG/TS and MPC Video (H264 DXVA) and (VC1 DXVA) to see if it works :)
Like is Bitstream, it works even if i set 2ch in audio of windows

Maybe you have to overide your EDID.

With PDVD is it work ?

Seb :)

Why are people not using the new 'MPC Audio Renderer'? I thought this renderer was speacially designed for bitstreaming?

[jimwhite]

oh well, a seriously interesting developement thread degenerates into a "how do I do this...."

:rolleyes:

[THX-UltraII]

oh well, a seriously interesting developement thread degenerates into a "how do I do this...."

:rolleyes:

Jim, you have 13 posts now and all you mostly do is whine, whine and...... MORE WHINING!!! please go to another community with more retards like you.

[Andy o]

Why are people not using the new 'MPC Audio Renderer'? I thought this renderer was speacially designed for bitstreaming?

It was developed for that. Later on I guess albain figured out that the other renderers could work too.

For me (at least when I tested, these things change quickly), MPC Audio renderer required audio switcher to be turned off, and that didn't let me choose different audio streams. Also it runs in exclusive mode, even when there's no bitstream-able audio (like flac), which doesn't work with 24-bit sources.

[piit]

...with more retards like you.

Man, do you always have to be insulting? Not a great example of netiquette.

[albain]

Man, do you always have to be insulting? Not a great example of netiquette.

Please, stop


@Sebastii : there is something I really don't understand with your logs

TMT logs are fine and match with the uploaded sample but neither FFDShow+ATI or FFDShow+Xonar logs.
I can't find any piece of buffer from the sample.
Could you recheck ?

However, the logs you sent me before I posted the last FFDShow fix (rev 3201) on THD were fine (except that the buffers were not aligned)

Thanks

[renethx]

Also it runs in exclusive mode, even when there's no bitstream-able audio (like flac), which doesn't work with 24-bit sources.
I guess you are using madFlac Decoder. ffdshow (32-bit output for ATI+Realtek) + MPC Audio Renderer is an all-in-one audio solution: TrueHD/DTS-HD/DD/DTS bistreaming and bit-perfect LPCM for all the other audio formats.

[albain]

Here is a new build (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xjgimzmgzdq/ffdshow_rev3212_20100122_dbt_bitstream_fix_beta1.exe)

No fix but a new audio delay option in the output section

It works fine in analog mode, to be tested in numeric mode (SPDIF/HDMI), especially with TrueHD streams

PS : this build contains development code on DXVA side. It should be used only for testing purpose

[THX-UltraII]

On-going bitstream problems here with my 5670.

Tried the EDID Tulli override, but it does not solve my bitstream problems. An additional problem with the Tulli override was that @50 Hz my ATI settings could not be set to 1920@1080 but only a lower resolution was possible.

So last night I did a complete format of my HDD and a fresh Windows7 x64 installatiob to MAKE SURE everything is set up properly.

So I installed everything again:

- ATI official 5670 RC3 package
- Realtek R2.39 HDMI audio driver
- latest ffsdhow svn3212 (checked all the bitstream boxes)
- latest MPC-HC svn1540
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC
- installed the aug. 2009 DirectX update

When playing a .m2ts movie with DTS-MA signal it plays DTS (so NOT master!) fine when all bitstream boxes are checked EXCEPT DTS-MA. But when I exit the movie, CHECK the DTS-MA bitstream box and restart the movie, it goes wrong => no DTS-MA, no sound. Checking the box connect as PCM looks like it makes it a little better but still not good enough => DTS-MA is displayed on my avr but constant switches between AUTO (no signal) on my avr. Also no sound.

[Sebastiii]

Please, stop


@Sebastii : there is something I really don't understand with your logs

TMT logs are fine and match with the uploaded sample but neither FFDShow+ATI or FFDShow+Xonar logs.
I can't find any piece of buffer from the sample.
Could you recheck ?

However, the logs you sent me before I posted the last FFDShow fix (rev 3201) on THD were fine (except that the buffers were not aligned)

Thanks

Hi Damien,

Very wierd !!! because the size of log is something same.
Maybe it's the audio renderer Arcsoft because it's with it that i use with MPC-HC.

Very strange, i'll make this evening a little log to see if it's bad or not (not all the sample lol).

Big Thx :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Here is a new build (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xjgimzmgzdq/ffdshow_rev3212_20100122_dbt_bitstream_fix_beta1.exe)

No fix but a new audio delay option in the output section

It works fine in analog mode, to be tested in numeric mode (SPDIF/HDMI), especially with TrueHD streams

PS : this build contains development code on DXVA side. It should be used only for testing purpose

Great, i impatient to test it :)
thank you a lot :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

@THX-UltraII :)

Did you test with Powerdvd or Windvd ?

:)
Seb.

[THX-UltraII]

@THX-UltraII :)

Did you test with Powerdvd or Windvd ?

:)
Seb.

no, not yet. I ll try this tonight. But am I correct that PDVD does not support .m2ts files?

[THX-UltraII]

@ Albain: did you see my previous post? How do I make a log or something so that can maybe track the problems I (and probably more 5670 owners) I have?

[SamuriHL]

no, not yet. I ll try this tonight. But am I correct that PDVD does not support .m2ts files?

You'll have to convert it to an ISO. Use tsMuxer to author a BD folder structure, and ImgBurn to create an ISO from that. Then mount it with Virtual CloneDrive. I think testing with WinDVD or PDVD is very important at this point given the issues you're having.

[Andy o]

I guess you are using madFlac Decoder. ffdshow (32-bit output for ATI+Realtek) + MPC Audio Renderer is an all-in-one audio solution: TrueHD/DTS-HD/DD/DTS bistreaming and bit-perfect LPCM for all the other audio formats.

OK thanks, that makes sense, I'll try. I thought I read albain saying something to the effect that higher-than-16 bits was still not supported with MPC renderer though (and the whole LPCM "bitstreaming" issue being low priority for now).

[cyrilp]

which version did you install where it works? (dts-ma). Did you use the .inf override method also or not?

Problem with rev3200

ok with rev3160 (but not true hd)

[THX-UltraII]

You'll have to convert it to an ISO. Use tsMuxer to author a BD folder structure, and ImgBurn to create an ISO from that. Then mount it with Virtual CloneDrive. I think testing with WinDVD or PDVD is very important at this point given the issues you're having.

And can I theoretically make all my content (.m2ts, .mkv, .wmv) compatible for PDVD with this (tsMuxer/Imageburn/VCD) method?

[SamuriHL]

And can I theoretically make all my content (.m2ts, .mkv, .wmv) compatible for PDVD with this (tsMuxer/Imageburn/VCD) method?

Don't know about wmv, but, m2ts and mkv for sure.

[Sebastiii]

Hi, i think the bad log is because Arcsoft Renderer was wrong register.
I reregister it and now like directsoound or other it crash when try to log MPC-HC and Dumptool.
So i don't know why :(
Seb.

[jimwhite]

Please, stop[B]

Respectfully noted.


How do I make a log or something so that can maybe track the problems I (and probably more 5670 owners) I have?

I believe that in reading this thread (yes, the whole thing) and the previous one which spun this off (again the whole thing) this question has been answered numerous times.

:cool:

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

Great for delay on Bitstream :) It works good on all my test for now :) Big Thx :)
I have retested log, and with ffdshow + Arcsoft for Xonar -> don't crash. But with ATI mode (it's crash and also on Beta 54 with registry Clean) i think something happen on Drivers.
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

This is log From Xonar with TMT and FFDSHOW and the sample (i have dropout withit)

Sample :
TEST_7.1_TRUEHD (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts)

Log TMT :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR.rar)

Log MPC-HC :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar.rar)

All upload will be done in 1 hour so on 10H00 it will be ok :)

Seb :)

[Andy o]

I guess you are using madFlac Decoder. ffdshow (32-bit output for ATI+Realtek) + MPC Audio Renderer is an all-in-one audio solution: TrueHD/DTS-HD/DD/DTS bistreaming and bit-perfect LPCM for all the other audio formats.

Actually I just tested, and I had not remembered that I haven't even installed madflac. flac is being decoded with ffdshow.

I'm using MPC-HC 1453 and ffdshow 3181, and MPC audio renderer only connects for LPCM when outputting 16-bit. Was this fixed in subsequent releases?

(BTW I was wrong about having to disable audio switcher, my mistake.)

[albain]

@ Albain: did you see my previous post? How do I make a log or something so that can maybe track the problems I (and probably more 5670 owners) I have?

No I missed it, sorry

Well, I don't know if you have the dumper, otherwise PM to request it

The goal is to get logs using FFDShow and TMT using the same sample file (startrek THD sample)

[albain]

This is log From Xonar with TMT and FFDSHOW and the sample (i have dropout withit)

Sample :
TEST_7.1_TRUEHD (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts)

Log TMT :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_TMT3_XONAR.rar)

Log MPC-HC :
bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream-THD_SAMPLE_DOLBY_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT_Xonar.rar)

All upload will be done in 1 hour so on 10H00 it will be ok :)

Seb :)

Thank you, I am downloading them right now

[Sebastiii]

Hi Albain :)
I hope the log was good :)

[nightfly]

Just in case you missed it Albain, but test builds aftger "beta5" are broken for DTS-MA (at least for my xonar setup). I get no sound for DTS-MA tracks.

Using the Beta5 build I was able to play "Terminator Salvation" with DTS-MA ok, but did have some issues. This title is one that is comprised of multiple M2TS files played back seamlessly via MPC.

For this title and Beta5, I had two issues: jumping back would cause audio to be lost until I jumped forward; audio would get out-of-sync with the video often, I believe on the M2TS transitions (from file to file). More testing is needed.

[cheetah111]

Although I still don't have an amplifier capable of decoding HD sound formats, I intend to buy one in the near future.
So, I would like to thank albain, madshi, samuriHL, Sebastii and all the rest for all the great work you have done.
Keep making us happy. I believe you can overcome any obstacle that you will encounter.

[Skinleech]

Just in case you missed it Albain, but test builds aftger "beta5" are broken for DTS-MA (at least for my xonar setup). I get no sound for DTS-MA tracks.

Using the Beta5 build I was able to play "Terminator Salvation" with DTS-MA ok, but did have some issues. This title is one that is comprised of multiple M2TS files played back seamlessly via MPC.

For this title and Beta5, I had two issues: jumping back would cause audio to be lost until I jumped forward; audio would get out-of-sync with the video often, I believe on the M2TS transitions (from file to file). More testing is needed.

I have issues with DTS-HD MA too, on not the latest beta, but the one previous. This one:

ffdshow_rev3200_20100112_dbt_thd_fix_beta1

It seems that the DTS-HD tracks play faster than the movie, so they're garbled & messy sounding, as well as cutting out. The receiver is getting a DTS-HD MA signal though.

Any thoughts? Logs needed I assume?

[albain]

@Skinleech, @nightfly
Okay, would it be possible to get the official working & non working revisions ? (easier to narrow down)

@Sebastii
Thanks, the logs are fine, I found out that the buffers are not identical, so this should be easier to fix now

[Skinleech]

Sure thing - I'll get onto it as soon as I can. I plan on trying the last version you posted just to see. Is there an easy place to get earlier versions of the builds you've made to date?

[SamuriHL]

@Skinleech, @nightfly
Okay, would it be possible to get the official working & non working revisions ? (easier to narrow down)

@Sebastii
Thanks, the logs are fine, I found out that the buffers are not identical, so this should be easier to fix now

Sweet! I'm glad you found a difference. I hope this leads to a fix.

[albain]

Sure thing - I'll get onto it as soon as I can. I plan on trying the last version you posted just to see. Is there an easy place to get earlier versions of the builds you've made to date?

Thanks, you can get any official revision from xvidvideo.ru website

[PatkIllA]

Is it possible the changes have broken passthrough of the dts core in dts HD streams? I don't get any sound on those files since upgrading to a recent version of ffdshow?

I'm using a Radeon 4850 and want to have dts core bitstreaming until my 5850 arrives (orderer 2.5 months ago)

[Skinleech]

Thanks, you can get any official revision from xvidvideo.ru website

Hi albain.

Rev 3195 works fine, but 3200 and 3212 do not - DTS-HD MA lights up, but I get no sound to begin with, then when chapter skipping I get garbled sound with dropouts.

[albain]

Hi albain.

Rev 3195 works fine, but 3200 and 3212 do not - DTS-HD MA lights up, but I get no sound to begin with, then when chapter skipping I get garbled sound with dropouts.

Thank you

There is just a check that has been added since which is "if it is not a bitstream format, don't check the audio device capabilities".
So if there is a drawback, it is probably located in the first phase where the stream is detected as DTS

Could you send me debugview logs on both rev 3195 and 3200 ?
This would help me a lot to understand what's going wrong (I can't test on my side, receiver on repair)

Thanks


@PatkIllA
The revision 3200 (and higher) that brings a better compatibility with DTS and AC3 core might have broken DTS-HD bitstream.
Please test it or help me like Skinleech to narrow down which revision works/doesn't work : revision 3200 first, then revision 3195

Thanks


Otherwise this morning I am working on Seb's logs, the goal is : fixing TrueHD bitstream definitely

[Skinleech]

Thank you

There is just a check that has been added since which is "if it is not a bitstream format, don't check the audio device capabilities".
So if there is a drawback, it is probably located in the first phase where the stream is detected as DTS

Could you send me debugview logs on both rev 3195 and 3200 ?
This would help me a lot to understand what's going wrong (I can't test on my side, receiver on repair)

Thanks

No problem albain. I will try my best to get these to you later on today but I have a pretty busy schedule

Thanks as always for your hard work.

[Skinleech]

Rev 3195: http://pastebin.com/m14c4210f
Rev 3200: http://pastebin.com/m26589ca5

It's the same 25 seconds approx of the same movie.

Good hunting!

[albain]

Rev 3195: http://pastebin.com/m14c4210f
Rev 3200: http://pastebin.com/m26589ca5

It's the same 25 seconds approx of the same movie.

Good hunting!

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

[SamuriHL]

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

Thanks, albain. As always your work is GREATLY appreciated!

[nightfly]

Thanks, albain. As always your work is GREATLY appreciated!

Indeed!

I'll retest with latest for DTS-MA.

[Sebastiii]

Great :) thank you :) Albain and good luck on TrueHD :)

[PatkIllA]

@PatkIllA
The revision 3200 (and higher) that brings a better compatibility with DTS and AC3 core might have broken DTS-HD bitstream.
Please test it or help me like Skinleech to narrow down which revision works/doesn't work : revision 3200 first, then revision 3195
I have installed several builds from sourceforge now.
3154 still works both with decoding to pcm and passthrough of the core.
3164 is already broken. I don't get any sound when set to passthrough and when decoding to pcm the video is about twice as fast and the sound is pitched.

[Skinleech]

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

:)

Thank you kindly. I'll be testing that tomorrow then.

Superb work as per usual...

[THX-UltraII]

Realtek released their r2.41 HD audio driver. http://downloads.guru3d.com/Realtek-HD-Audio-2.41-Driver-download-2462.html

Going to try this tonight to see if it solves my bitstream problems

[tetsuo55]

Realtek released their r2.41 HD audio driver. http://downloads.guru3d.com/Realtek-HD-Audio-2.41-Driver-download-2462.html

Going to try this tonight to see if it solves my bitstream problemsdid they merge the hdmi driver into the main packadge?

[THX-UltraII]

did they merge the hdmi driver into the main packadge?

o, wait a minute. This is not the HDMI driver you say?

[tetsuo55]

o, wait a minute. This is not the HDMI driver you say?

ATI HDMI Audio Device R2.39 2009/12/15 17435k
http://www.realtek.com.tw/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false

looks like the hdmi one has not been updated.

[Andy o]

Yeah, that's the way it goes. It confuses a lot of people. The HDMI audio driver catches up every several versions.

[cyrilp]

Thanks, there is indeed a difference

EDIT : nailed it ! fixed in revision 3227

I am working on TrueHD now

Where can i download this new version ?

i did'nt find it on http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/files/

thank you, merci.

Cyril

[Skinleech]

Look at xvidvideo.ru, it should be there I think.

If not, I'm nor sure.

[aerodown]

Where can i download this new version ?

i did'nt find it on http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/files/

thank you, merci.

Cyril

ffdshow_rev3227_20100126 (http://www.mediafire.com/?ednmczggmmw)

[nightfly]

Here's the link:

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

However, the latest build there is 3217 on 1-22 - don't know why 3227 is not up there.

[albain]

I found a bug in TrueHD bitstream that is certainly the cause of the dropouts

[Skinleech]

Great news albain. I tested 3227 briefly last night, and it seems to work correctly. I only played a seconds of a movie, but I got clear & unbroken sound.

[Sebastiii]

@Albain :)
Great news :)

I didn't test last release, i'm testing it this evening :)
Can you add the audio delay too in main branch ?

I have also strange issue with sample DTS-MA, it plays too fast (Bitstream enable) play normally with no passthruth).
But like i didn't test with last version, maybe it's ok.

I use MPC Gabest Source Filter.

Big thx :)

[SamuriHL]

That's awesome! I hope it's a really easy fix for you. :)

[SamuriHL]

@Albain :)
Great news :)

I didn't test last release, i'm testing it this evening :)
Can you add the audio delay too in main branch ?

I have also strange issue with sample DTS-MA, it plays too fast (Bitstream enable) play normally with no passthruth).
But like i didn't test with last version, maybe it's ok.

I use MPC Gabest Source Filter.

Big thx :)

I think the DTS-HD MA issue is fixed in 3227.

[cyrilp]

ffdshow_rev3227_20100126 (http://www.mediafire.com/?ednmczggmmw)

Thank you

[Sebastiii]

I think the DTS-HD MA issue is fixed in 3227.

Yep :)

Thx, i'll try tonight :) and see :)
Seb ;)

[albain]

I have good news

I think I have fixed the TrueHD bug

I have also added an audio delay option in FFDShow audio (in output section). That should help to resolve lipsync issues.

It works in analog mode, I don't know about numeric streams (spdif & bitstream).

Here is a link to a test build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3231_20100127_dbt_.exe)

Note that this build integrates development code that has not been committed so it is intended for testing purposes.

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien,

For the version that i tested for audio delay with spdif and bitstream works great :)
I download now this version and test it now :)
Big Thx :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt :)
True HD works great here :) You fix it :) but a little test on TRUEHD 7.1 sample, when i seek, the sound doesn't comes.

I'll test Delay this evening with TrueHD and DD to see :)

I've issue on DTS-MA, MPC Gabest MPEG source with MPC Video and FFDshow Audio.
The sound is ok but when the sound is play (Video is SLOW SLOW lol)
When the sound is finish (the video accelerate to the normal play and is smooth).

This is the log with debugview : Debugview-MPC-GABEST-FFDshow-Directsound1&2 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Debugview-MPC-GABEST-FFDshow-Directsound1&2.zip)

I use Realtek 2.39 HDMI drivers.

Thx :)
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

I'll test it out in a bit, as well. That's awesome. Thanks for fixing this!

[tosehee]

I am sorry for a noob question, but hopefully someone have a patience to answer me.

Is this new bitstream require any third party app like Slysoft's AnyDVD and such???

I am planning to add a internal BD Drive and ATI 5xxx VC, but I wasn't sure what else I need in order to play the BD titles and get the bitstream to my receiver too.

I currently use the MPC-HC (albeit somewhat outdated).

Sorry for noob question again, and thanks in advance for kind directions.

Regards

[Sebastiii]

Hi SamuriHL, yes good fixing :)

So i have retest it and also on 5.1 channel TrueHD when seek, audio is lost and sometime it works like 7.1
Bitstream audio delay works good :) on AC3/DTS and Truehd/DTS MA.
On DTS-MA if for example i set 10000 in delay, the video play good and when achieve to 10s the sound start but video comes slow.

It's closed to near perfect, but i have always DTS-MA 5.1 detect when i have DTS-HR 7.1(with PDVD it's ok).

Big thx :)

[PatkIllA]

@albain
did you have time to look into the issues with HD audio formats without bitstream. I seemed to happen when you merged the HD bitstream stuff.
I tested the latest build and I always get
"Access violation at address 6FD881B3 in module 'libavcodec.dll'. Write of address 00000014".

[nightfly]

Hi SamuriHL, yes good fixing :)

So i have retest it and also on 5.1 channel TrueHD when seek, audio is lost and sometime it works like 7.1
Bitstream audio delay works good :) on AC3/DTS and Truehd/DTS MA.
On DTS-MA if for example i set 10000 in delay, the video play good and when achieve to 10s the sound start but video comes slow.

It's closed to near perfect, but i have always DTS-MA 5.1 detect when i have DTS-HR 7.1(with PDVD it's ok).

Big thx :)

This may be related to the MPC splitter. Try using another (Haali) and see if that affects your result.

It does for me. When I use the Arcsoft Demuxer (splitter) I am able to jump around fine on THD titles where using the MPC splitter, I usually lost audio until I stopped and restarted the stream from the beginning.

[nightfly]

I have good news

I think I have fixed the TrueHD bug

.

Works Beautifully for me on StarTrek 09.:thanks: Watched about 5 minutes without one hiccup.

No issues moving around the title using the Arcsoft Demuxer/splitter; using the MPC splitter (Mpeg2 Gabest Splitter) the audio/video will easily get out of sync or the audio lost altogether when moving forward/backwards. So clearly a MPC issue (which they are having a lot of lately).

So to reiterate, I have perfect THD/DTS-MA bitstreaming using Albain's latest test build and no playback issues using the Arcsoft Demuxer/Arcsoft Audio Renderer - I can pause, ffwd/rewind without issue.

[albain]

@albain
did you have time to look into the issues with HD audio formats without bitstream. I seemed to happen when you merged the HD bitstream stuff.
I tested the latest build and I always get
"Access violation at address 6FD881B3 in module 'libavcodec.dll'. Write of address 00000014".

Tal fixed the problem, it is related to a ffmpeg recent update

I'll try to fix the seeking issue tomorrow.

[Skinleech]

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt :)
True HD works great here :) You fix it :) but a little test on TRUEHD 7.1 sample, when i seek, the sound doesn't comes.

Strange. I still got a glitch in the position with your Star Trek thd sample. I tested 3227 and the test build above one after the other.

The test build sounded better, but there was still a dropout. It's like it sounded cleaner, the sound just stopped then came back. With 3227 (which works perfeclty for DTS-HD MA btw) ot was somewhat distorted when the dropout occured.

[Sebastiii]

Hi Guys,

@nightfly, i'll try this evening to see if i have the same result with arcsoft splitter/renderer, but my test is on ATI :) I hope you too :)
I have try with last standalone filter to see if happen, and yes sometime seeking work and sometime not :).

@Albain, you're a great man :) i didn't know if it's on FFDshow or MPC filter issue. :) (The THD Bug that you have fixed, can you explain what is it ? THX :) ) and Audio Delay perfect, i have just see a little thing lol the position of DTS case in output section is not at the same place of Beta without delay :) (it's very very not important lol )

@Skinleech, Strange, on mine, Short Sample or Long Sample of Startrek no issue (THD 5.1) and also on THD 7.1 sample :) works great :).

Thx for all :)
Seb.

[clsid]

I am sorry for a noob question, but hopefully someone have a patience to answer me.

Is this new bitstream require any third party app like Slysoft's AnyDVD and such???

I am planning to add a internal BD Drive and ATI 5xxx VC, but I wasn't sure what else I need in order to play the BD titles and get the bitstream to my receiver too.

I currently use the MPC-HC (albeit somewhat outdated).

Sorry for noob question again, and thanks in advance for kind directions.

Regards
You need AnyDVD HD to remove the content protections that are used on Blu-ray discs. After that all you need is MPC-HC and ffdshow. You can find specific settings by reading the first post of this topic and by reading this (huge) topic.

[nightfly]

Hi Guys,

@nightfly, i'll try this evening to see if i have the same result with arcsoft splitter/renderer, but my test is on ATI :) I hope you too :)
I have try with last standalone filter to see if happen, and yes sometime seeking work and sometime not :).


First off, thanks to you too Sebastiii (and SamuriHL), Albain is doing the heavy lifting, but you guys have helped a great deal as well.

And no, If you take a look at my sig, I am running Nvidia/Xonar setup (and I'll be moving to the Intel Clarksdale setup this year). But still, I think there's still a good chance that the splitter is involved in the THD seeking issue. I had no trouble seeking around with DTS-HD/MA using either splitter.

[Sebastiii]

Thx :)

Yep, so i'll try splitter and see the result, i think i've already try a couple of day but of memory not working with ATI.
Seb :)

[albain]

Hi,

any feedback on the new ATI 10.1 driver ?

Are the dropouts still there ?

The release notes do not mention them so I guess it is:confused:

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien :)

On AVS some guys always dropout, and me i have setup profile.xml to disable Powerplay. So i must reset it to test lol.
i'm on Splitter Arcsoft to test lol :)
Thx
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

I refuse to touch 10.1. Too many problems.

[David602]

This may be related to the MPC splitter. Try using another (Haali) and see if that affects your result.

It does for me. When I use the Arcsoft Demuxer (splitter) I am able to jump around fine on THD titles where using the MPC splitter, I usually lost audio until I stopped and restarted the stream from the beginning.


Nightfly,

Can you explain how to obtain and install the Arcsoft filters? I've tried the pretty complicated instructions on AVSFORUM to no avail.

Are you using the TMT2 demo install for the filters or full TMT2 retail filters? I own a legal copy of TMT2 OEM and TMT3 retail but from what I understand, Arcsoft made a change a while back to prevent the filters from being used with anything but TMT.

[nightfly]

Nightfly,

Can you explain how to obtain and install the Arcsoft filters? I've tried the pretty complicated instructions on AVSFORUM to no avail.

Are you using the TMT2 demo install for the filters or full TMT2 retail filters? I own a legal copy of TMT2 OEM and TMT3 retail but from what I understand, Arcsoft made a change a while back to prevent the filters from being used with anything but TMT.

You can't mix OEM and retail and you can't upgrade OEM from Arcsoft updates. Sad but true.

So I use the retail versions. They made a change in the v2 .131 update to allow it to co-exist with TMT3.

I installed TMT2 126, upgraded it to .131. Did the steps on AVS but the initial attempt failed. I remember doing the some of the additional steps outlined there like setting folder permissions and adding the TMT2 codecs folder to the path and that allowed me to use the TMT2 filters in MPC.

Keep in mind that the above "trick" allows use of the Arcsoft Video filter which also enables the DXVA support by default. This fix was never needed to use their splitter or their audio filter or audio renderer. So I really don't see the need to do the hack.

On Win7 you have to update TMT2 to .130+ for get the AS vid filter to work.

And lastly, I use the TMT3 version of the audio renderer. Never tried the TMT2 as it never supported bitstreaming except for the OEM versions.

So my currently preferred setup:
MPC v1249 - newer versions I can't get any splitter other than MPC's to load via external filters. Also, newer versions have resizing issues.
TMT2 v.131 AS Demuxer
TMT2 v.131 AS Video Filter
ffdshow (latest Albain test build)
Customer EVR
TMT3 v.160 AS Audio Renderer

Only downside to this config is no subtitle support (forced or otherwise). I also get fewer video playback issues using the AS video filter over the MPC versions.

[Andy o]

Hi,

any feedback on the new ATI 10.1 driver ?

Are the dropouts still there ?

The release notes do not mention them so I guess it is:confused:

I haven't seen any significant changes. The dropouts seem to be worse, but that's just anecdotal and I didn't test thoroughly. Someone else said powerplay was also causing flickering, but I didn't experience that.

[Skinleech]

In addition to the dropout on the Star Trek sample, the latest beta does not play nice for DTS-HD MA titles either. The video plays back at super slow speed, and the audio is just fine.

Reverting to 3227 fixed the issue. I'll make logs of both DTS-HD & TrueHD on both 3227 and 3231 tomorrow.

Cheers

[STaRGaZeR]

Powerplay is just terrible in the 5800 series. It's way too agressive. I don't know about you guys, but at 120Hz doing anything with the desktop like open a folder, move it, close it, scroll down a text, etc. will trigger 3D clocks for miliseconds, then 2D again, then 3D, then 2D... play a video and it'll do it even faster. And each change causes a flicker. You can imagine the flickering mess I have when I allow the driver to do such things. The solution is simple: force clocks to remain the same all the time. I use ATT with profiles for games and stuff that really needs 3D power, and it works like a charm. People with audio issues should try it. But we shouldn't be doing this ATI...

[andyvt]

I had a chance to try out the new builds tonight and nothing after 3200 (clsid) bit streams TrueHD (playback can't start) on my Clarkdale. Testing was on x86 Windows 7 in GraphStudio. Let me know what information is required to help track it down.

Thanks

[Skinleech]

I had a chance to try out the new builds tonight and nothing after 3200 (clsid) bit streams TrueHD (playback can't start) on my Clarkdale. Testing was on x86 Windows 7 in GraphStudio. Let me know what information is required to help track it down.

Thanks

Best thing to do is get a log from debugview, and post it here to be checked by albain.

In order for the logs to work, you need need edit the registry entries for ffdshow, can't remember which one at present as I have .reg files set up, but I'm sure another forum member can point you to the right path in regedit.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

You have to go on : HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GNU\ffdshow
And add or set regkey DWORD allowDPRINTF and set value 1.

Good luck :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Thx for ver 3238 :)
Seb.

[albain]

I am surprised, I've read earlier that most problems were fixed

I am a little confused with these feedbacks
The slow playback may come from the audio delay added in revision 3231 (and present in the last beta)

@Skinleech : can you be more precise about what works/worked and what does not in the revisions you tested ?

[Sebastiii]

Hi Albain,

I have the same issue too so i made log from debugview.

FFdshow 32XX LOG With Bug and No Bug Sound and Video when DTS-MA (http://sebinternet.free.fr/FFdshow 32XX LOG With Bug and No Bug Sound and Video when DTS-MA.zip)

Yes maybe it's when add Delay in Bitstream ! arf i didn't see that, because in THD/AC3/DTS it's OK.

I have try splitter Arcsoft and also the same issue. But with Xonar is ok.
Seb :)

Thx :)

[albain]

Here is a new debug build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3239_20100129_dbt_thd_fix_beta2.exe)

The audio delay is still operational but I changed the way the timestamps are set

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien :)

It seems that exe is corrupt or not finish upload lol

Thx :)

[albain]

Sorry, same player shoot again

Same link

[Sebastiii]

:) Perfect Royal,
DTS-MA works perfect
THD 7.1, 5.1 too
Delay too

Only for me DTS-HR 7.1 not reconize and AVR display and play in DTS-MA 5.1.
May be issue with my AVR (PDVD9 works lol).

Great Great and Again you'r the best :)
Big Thx,
Seb.

Edit : when seeking the sound appear after few second on THD and DTS-MA and i have on short sample of startrek little dropout after seeking, but not in long sample. (for this test i have set 300ms in delay to catch my AVR synchro).

Edit2 : Also with arcsoft splitter the same issue for seeking but seeking is OK on DD and DTS, Enjoy :)

[Skinleech]

@Skinleech : can you be more precise about what works/worked and what does not in the revisions you tested ?

Hi albain - apologies if my posts have been too vague. Here is what I've discovered with the last 2 versions I have tried:

Rev 3227: DTS-HD MA is good, TrueHD has dropouts on Seb's Star Trek m2ts sample, always at the same place.

Rev 3231: DTS-HD MA audio plays fine, but the video is in slow motion. True HD still has the same dropout in the same place.

I will log these for you later on.

[albain]

Ok, now everything should be fixed in revision 3240 (I hope)

+ all the improvements/fixes on DXVA on revision 3246, I think that we are coming to a pretty stable release now

Now, we should all keep putting the pressure on ATI so that they fix those dropouts !
Let's post (and repost) bug reports on this

http://support.amd.com/us/contacts/Pages/GraphicsTechnicalSupport.aspx?LID=usenterpriseleftnav

[Sebastiii]

Great news :) Big thx :)

I've re wrote a ticket so i wait an answer.
But yes you're right all people must post in AMD to resolve issue of dropout in software mode and Powerplay issue.

Thx :)

[dbone1026]

Ok, now everything should be fixed in revision 3240 (I hope)

+ all the improvements/fixes on DXVA on revision 3246, I think that we are coming to a pretty stable release now

Now, we should all keep putting the pressure on ATI so that they fix those dropouts !
Let's post (and repost) bug reports on this

http://support.amd.com/us/contacts/Pages/GraphicsTechnicalSupport.aspx?LID=usenterpriseleftnav

Where would I find 3240 or 3246, on xvidvideo.ru it only goes up to r3237? Thanks

[albain]

Hi,

I have posted 32 & 64 bit builds of revision 3246 on sourceforge

Damien

[Sebastiii]

Thank you Damien :)

[dbone1026]

Thanks Damien

[PatkIllA]

I think that we are coming to a pretty stable release now
I upgraded to the latest version and the whole dts (normal and HD) part is not working for me at all since the HD bitstream stuff got into the code.
With decoding I only get crackling and or pitched sound, with SPDIF passthrough I get nothing at all.
I tested with graphstudio and Zoom Player and with the HDMI output of my Radeon 4850 and the SPDIF of my realtek onboard sound.
My OS is Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit.

Going back to 3154.
Does anyone else have this is problem or do you all have an Radeon 5xxx or Xonar and uses HD Bitstreaming only?

[albain]

The 64 bits build I submitted on sourceforge is not compiled correctly

This may be the cause

I removed it and will repost one soon

[nightfly]

:)
Only for me DTS-HR 7.1 not reconize and AVR display and play in DTS-MA 5.1.


DTS-HD MA 7.1 (Hellboy: Golden Army) is correctly configured as 7.1 in my xonar/denon 988 setup. In fact, I have had no issues with several previously problematic titles, seeking, chapter change, etc. Very happy camper. BTW Helloby has a very "energetic" sound track, very nice! If requested, I'll upload a sample.

Now my dreams can move on to LPCM bistreaming. :)

[albain]

64 bits build on sourceforge now (tested and working) : rev 3248

[Sebastiii]

DTS-HD MA 7.1 (Hellboy: Golden Army) is correctly configured as 7.1 in my xonar/denon 988 setup. In fact, I have had no issues with several previously problematic titles, seeking, chapter change, etc. Very happy camper. BTW Helloby has a very "energetic" sound track, very nice! If requested, I'll upload a sample.

Now my dreams can move on to LPCM bistreaming. :)

Hi,

It would be great :) that i can test this sample.

But for my issue is DTS-HR not reconize with ffdshow, it's ok with PDVD9 on ATI.

Maybe it's something wrong (EDID ?) but like it's works with PDVD it's strange and maybe it's like with AVR Pioneer, because on my AVR before Damien find the bug for DTS-MA and Pioneer, I can play DTS-MA without issue and the issue was here on Pioneer so maybe strange bug on my AVR and FFDshow lol.

Thx,
Seb.

[piit]

Great news :) Big thx :)

I've re wrote a ticket so i wait an answer.
But yes you're right all people must post in AMD to resolve issue of dropout in software mode and Powerplay issue.

Thx :)

I did submit a very detailed support ticket regarding PowerPlay induced dropouts and also EDID issues a while ago and 5 days later on 21 Jan I received a notification that


Your service request SR# 8200273275 has been escalated to one of our
experts who can better address your questions. We appreciate your
patience, and thank you for your interest in AMD.


Just checked and this was regarding the dropouts.
Let's hope something will eventually happen!

Pete

[piit]

Now my dreams can move on to LPCM bistreaming. :)

No need to dream - just use ReClock in WASAPI/Kmixer mode :) Although I have to admit it would be great having it all in ffdshow :)

Pete

[Sebastiii]

Great i'm waiting an answer too.

At my first try, they didn't find and reproduce bug !!!!!!
I hope that it will try to reproduce it and solve it :)

Thx,
Seb.

[andyvt]

Hi,

You have to go on : HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GNU\ffdshow
And add or set regkey DWORD allowDPRINTF and set value 1.

Good luck :)
Seb.

I added the key, where should the log get written?

FWIW the issue only manifests with Haali. If I use the MPC-HC MKV splitter everything works great (including some drop-outs in TrueHD experienced in 3200 being fixed).

Thanks

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

You have to launch debugview and the log comes into it :)

And in few past post Albain says :

@hoborg : goto HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GNU\ffdshow and create a DWORD value
Call it "allowDPRINTF" and set it to 1
Then you should be able to get debugview logs

Seb.

[HeadlessCow]

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647.aspx

Grab DebugView and start it up (right-click, run as admin on Vista). The messages from ffdshow will show up in there.

[nightfly]

No need to dream - just use ReClock in WASAPI/Kmixer mode :) Although I have to admit it would be great having it all in ffdshow :)

Pete

I've had ReClock installed before, but it's been awhile. So replace the ffdshow filter with Reclock configured to use WASAPI? Not show how to config MPC-HC to do that on the fly or via menuing. I support manipulating the external filter priority/merit could do it. Seems very kludgie.

Currently I am forced to switch the Win playback device to "speakers" from s/pdif (my default) for LPCM based titles.

I am for max quality video/audio, but ease-of-use is important too.

Beyond that, loaded up my DVE calibration disk yesterday and testing some the "old" audio formats: DD EX 6.1, DTS-ES, etc. They all bitstreamed fine with the current ffdshow beta. Way to go Albain!

Lastly, working on a Hellboy DTS-HD MA 7.1 sample. I am creating a 7 min clip - it has a very nice intro.

[andyvt]

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647.aspx

Grab DebugView and start it up (right-click, run as admin on Vista). The messages from ffdshow will show up in there.

Thanks. Log (http://babgvant.com/downloads/haalitruehd.zip).

[nightfly]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2K2W433W

Hellboy 2: The Golden Army Sample

~460MB @ ~4 mins. Had to cut down the length due to size. Enjoy!

[rica]

Ok guys, now i'm on MPC-HC 1586 with ffdshow 3251 and ReClock 1.8.6.2.

I get LPCM passthrough with WASAPI via ReClock. (thx James)
And i get bitstream over ffdshow. (thx Albain)
DTS,
DD,
THD,
DTSHD-MA,
DTSHD-HR.

No problem here; i'm on 7/64 and my SW is x86 (haven't tried MPC and ffdshow 64 yet) -Ati 5770 and Denon 1910 btw.

And thx to tetsuo55 and tal.aloni btw.

Thanks guys.

[dehati_paul]

Ok guys, now i'm on MPC-HC 1586 with ffdshow 3251 and ReClock 1.8.6.2.

I get LPCM passthrough with WASAPI via ReClock. (thx James)
And i get bitstream over ffdshow. (thx Albain)
DTS,
DD,
THD,
DTSHD-MA,
DTSHD-HR.

No problem here; i'm on 7/64 and my SW is x86 (haven't tried MPC and ffdshow 64 yet) -Ati 5770 and Denon 1910 btw.

And thx to tal.aloni btw.

Thanks guys.

@rica -

Can you please let me know how/what setting you are using in reclock to get this? I have been trying to do the same in 7MC (with MPC-HC standalone filters and ffdshow, reclock) without success (cannot load reclock selectively only for LPCM). Hopefully your solution might help.

[Sebastiii]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2K2W433W

Hellboy 2: The Golden Army Sample

~460MB @ ~4 mins. Had to cut down the length due to size. Enjoy!

Thx :)
I will try tonight
Seb.

[albain]

Thanks. Log (http://babgvant.com/downloads/haalitruehd.zip).

Hi Andy,

I used to spend some time on your forum about Media Center issues (MCML, MCE object model) to release Media Control, so welcome here :)

Let's come to our point : normally revisions beyond 3241 should resolve your issues, please let me know if it doesn't

[andyvt]

Hi Andy,

I used to spend some time on your forum about Media Center issues (MCML, MCE object model) to release Media Control, so welcome here :)

Let's come to our point : normally revisions beyond 3241 should resolve your issues, please let me know if it doesn't

Thanks! I'll check it out ASAP :)

If you're registered on my site let me know your user name and I'll add you to the EA group.

[albain]

Thanks! I'll check it out ASAP :)

If you're registered on my site let me know your user name and I'll add you to the EA group.

Same, albain
Thanks

[rica]

@rica -

Can you please let me know how/what setting you are using in reclock to get this? I have been trying to do the same in 7MC (with MPC-HC standalone filters and ffdshow, reclock) without success (cannot load reclock selectively only for LPCM). Hopefully your solution might help.

Have a look at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152520

Hope it helps :)

[dehati_paul]

Have a look at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152520

Hope it helps :)

Thanks, I will check it later!

[PatkIllA]

The 64 bits build I submitted on sourceforge is not compiled correctly

This may be the causeNope I tested the 32 Bit Version?
I wonder why no else says that dts still works for him without HD bitstream capable hardware.

[CrazyHT]

I have been struggling for awhile now trying to figure out how to get Windows 7 MC to playback various m2ts and mkv files natively (without using MPC-HC or any other player) to bitstream DTS-MA, TrueHD and other codecs to my Denon 4308ci AVR. Following the works of many in the various AV forums, I see that some people have had some success with the Xonar getting playback to bitstream; however, I don’t know if anyone has it working without the utilization of MPC-HC.

My setup is as follows:
Ahanix MCE-601 case
Gigabyte GA-P965-DQ6 v3.3 Motherboard (F13a BIOS)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
Gigabyte Nvidia 8600GTS Silent (GV-NX86S256H)
2 GB Ram
Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 Slim (Firmware v.1.11 HD)
LG Blu-ray Drive GGC-H20L (Firmware v.1.03)

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
Asus Xonar HDAV Drivers v.7.12.8.1777
Nvidia Drivers v.196.21
Arcsoft TMT3 v.3.0.1.161

@nightfly – You seem to have a similar setup, could you please post a step-by-step guide of how you got the Arcsoft filters working, that seems to be the only part not working for me. I have tried the steps outlined here: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-148324.html
:thanks:

[andyvt]

Thanks! I'll check it out ASAP :)

If you're registered on my site let me know your user name and I'll add you to the EA group.

The issue is still present (http://babgvant.com/downloads/ffdshow_rev3251_20100131_dbt_.zip) with 3251.

Thanks.

[nightfly]

@nightfly[/B] – You seem to have a similar setup, could you please post a step-by-step guide of how you got the Arcsoft filters working, that seems to be the only part not working for me. I have tried the steps outlined here: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-148324.html
:thanks:

I did my setup last fall and don't even remember the steps. I do remember it took a lot of trial and error.

My reference thread was here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131365

I posted several followups there - it's a long thread but you know...

You gotta use TMT2 for everything but the audio renderer and for that you use the TMT3 version. I used the retail versions.

Here is a copy of some of the text I extracted from that thread:
First, you will need a copy of TMT2. The trial will work. These instructions will assume that no version of TMT is installed yet. Skip the steps you don't need. Note that on x64 OSes, you will need to replace "Program Files" with "Program Files (x86)".

1. Install TMT 2 as normal.
2. Make a copy of the following folders (replace "[UserName]" with your username:
Code:

C:\Program Files\Common Files\ArcSoft\Bin
C:\Program Files\Common Files\ArcSoft\Connection Service
C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Local\ArcSoft\arcsoft mpeg

3. Make a copy of the following file:
Code:

C:\Program Files\Common Files\ArcSoft\MPEG Engine\checkactivate.dll

4. Uninstall TMT 2 and clean the registry (Not necessary for this to work but it may be for TMT 3 Installation).
5. Install TMT 3.
6. Restore the folder copies that you made to the original locations.
7. Place the copy of checkactivate.dll in the following folder:
Code:

C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec

8. Copy the following text and paste it into a new text document:
Code:

[Main]
Computer Name=MyPC
De-interlace Mode=2
Enabled Output Type=1073741823
Error Skip=0
Frame Skip=1
Enable DeBlock=1
Enable Logo=0
Enable COPP=1
Enable DecoderStat=0
Enable Scramble=0
Auto SW/HW Switch=1

9. Replace "MyPC" with your computer name.
10. Save it to the following file:
Code:

C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec\ASViD.log

11. Register all the .ax files (or just the ones you want to use) in the following folder:
Code:

C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec


Steps 8-10 are important. If you don't do them, you will not get DXVA1/2 decoding unless you reset it in the video decoder every time you use it.

You should now be able to use the TMT3 decoders in third party apps. Note that the audio decoders will NOT connect to Dolby sources (any flavor) if you are using the trial.

I have only tested this with the trial so YMMV.

-- Updates re TMT3:
Yeah, I was able to use them in other apps. Andy O and boiler11 did find that the Bin folder needed to be added to your path if you were copying the files from another machine. Since I had TMT2 installed on the same machine, it was already in my path. You could also try copying all the dlls to the TMT3 Codec folder but I'm not sure.
--
I started fresh:

1. Install TMT 2.
2. Update to .125 (last version to not downsample audio in DirectShow players).
3. Rename "C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre" to "C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre.bak"
4. Install TMT 3.
5. Remove ".bak" from the TMT 2 folder name.
6. Update TMT 3 to .140


TMT 2 filters still work in DirectShow apps and I'm able to run TMT 3 .140

Step 3 gets around the issue of TMT 3 wanting to uninstall TMT 2. Steps 5 and 6 should be interchangeable.

Note: TMT 2 .125 will not run in Win7/Vista SP2 but I have TMT 3 for that, I just wanted the filters. If you update TMT 2 to .130, it should run as well (not tested).
--

TMT2 v.130+ works on Win7. TMT2 v.131 will go coexist fine with TMT3. I am currently running TMT2 v.131 & TMT3 v.160

[albain]

The issue is still present (http://babgvant.com/downloads/ffdshow_rev3251_20100131_dbt_.zip) with 3151.

Thanks.

Weird, the logs you posted tell that the TrueHD format is accepted by your driver

Anyone else owning a clarksdale and having TrueHD issues ?

00000155 15.07016468 [6028] TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat format not supported, trying another one
00000156 15.08026600 [6028] Media Type Structure
00000157 15.08026600 [6028] Format type : FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
00000158 15.08026600 [6028] Sub type : MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM
00000159 15.08026600 [6028]
00000160 15.08026600 [6028] WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE :
00000161 15.08026600 [6028] subFormat : KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP
00000162 15.08026600 [6028]
00000163 15.08026600 [6028] wSamplesPerBlock : 16
00000164 15.08026600 [6028] Valid bits per sample : 16
00000165 15.08026600 [6028] dwChannelMask : 255
00000166 15.08026600 [6028]
00000167 15.08026600 [6028] WAVEFORMATEX :
00000168 15.08026600 [6028] wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE
00000169 15.08026600 [6028] Channels : 8
00000170 15.08026600 [6028] Bits per sample : 16
00000171 15.08026600 [6028] Samples per second : 192000
00000172 15.08026600 [6028] nBlockAlign : 16
00000173 15.08026600 [6028] nAvgBytesPerSec : 3072000
00000174 15.08026600 [6028]
00000175 15.08037281 [6028] TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat this format is supported
00000176 15.08042812 [6028] TffdshowDecAudioInputPin : switching codec from liba52 to bitstream Dolby True HD

[andyvt]

Weird, the logs you posted tell that the TrueHD format is accepted by your driver

Anyone else owning a clarksdale and having TrueHD issues ?



Just it case it got missed, this problem is only present with the Haali splitter. MPC-HC works great.

[dbone1026]

Just it case it got missed, this problem is only present with the Haali splitter. MPC-HC works great.

Are you using the latest Haali Splitter (I think 12192009)?

[andyvt]

Are you using the latest Haali Splitter (I think 12192009)?

Yep. The previous rev didn't support TrueHD.

[dbone1026]

Yep. The previous rev didn't support TrueHD.

Yeah, just curious since I have heard people have issues with the latest Haali. I just decided to avoid Haali altogether and use MatroskaSplitter.ax instead.

[Skinleech]

The most recent version doesn't work with TrueHD for me either (using a Xonar in case you're not aware) so it seems to be a bug in Haali. I just stick to the MPC-HC splitter.

[nightfly]

The most recent version doesn't work with TrueHD for me either (using a Xonar in case you're not aware) so it seems to be a bug in Haali. I just stick to the MPC-HC splitter.

Do you have seeking issues (loss of audio, lip sync issues on seamless BD playback) with that splitter on THD titles?

[andyvt]

The most recent version doesn't work with TrueHD for me either (using a Xonar in case you're not aware) so it seems to be a bug in Haali. I just stick to the MPC-HC splitter.

It was working with build 3200.

[STr1t]

First of all, thanks to all for doing DTS-HD, PCM and Dolby True HD is possible for bistreaming, especially to albain!

I have successfully bitstreamed DTS-HD but there is lipsync issues.
When I try to write something in bitstream delay field I can hear nothing. There is no sound when anything is written in this field.
May be there have to be some special options in MPC/ffdshow/etc for running this function?
I have seen this problem at 3251/3254 ffdshow.
I'm using ATi 5870 @ Realtek 2.39

Thank you.

[albain]

It was working with build 3200.

Interesting

Let's narrow down to the faulty revision

I will make a few builds tomorrow and post the links here

Then you'll be able to tell me which one is working or not

Thanks

[st0niMah0ni]

Hi guys.
I found out some weird thing.

actually I am using
Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86), svn 1597
ffdshow tryouts project, svn 3254 (x86)
on Windows 7 x64 + Asus Xonar 1.3 Slim

I have disabled the internal audio switcher from mpc.
checked matroska in "internal filters" option menue

Threw in 1 DTS-HD-MA 5.1 Track into a x264 encoded MKV.

The result, I got perfect Bitstreaming on my AVR. I jumped forward and backward and the playback was more then fine!

But now the strange part, Iam not able to bistream anymore when I add a second Audio into the mkv.

Using Haali results in No Audio.

When I dont use Haali but the mpc's internal splitter it plays both tracks, enabling the "audio switcher" in mpc-hc is not possible for me as it breaks my bitstreaming on my Xonar.

Does anybody have a solution for this?

I mean its great having dts-hd-ma bitstreamed in mkv :) really great , but its only possible with 1 audio track for me...

Thanks for any replies..

greetz

[albain]

@Andy

Here is a test build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3240_20100130_dbt_dxva_subs.exe)

This build is closer to 3200 behaviour

Let me know if it changes anything

@st0niMah0ni
If you disable the audio switcher, this is normal that you loose the access to the other audio streams.
However it means that the audio switcher breaks the forward/backward playback.

But I think that this only concerns the xonar, right ?
Also, I don't understand why Haali (the latest version) wouldn't work (it does work with ATIs as far as I remember)

[Skinleech]

Do you have seeking issues (loss of audio, lip sync issues on seamless BD playback) with that splitter on THD titles?

I get loss of audio on THD, but it usually comes back after skipping back a chapter. I've not tried any of albain's latest revisions yet though.

I don't play BD disks via MPC though, just mkv remuxes.

[qpel]

ffdshow virtualdub plugin broken nothing works

[gts24]

Clarkdale setup here:

specs:
ASUS P7H55-M
Intel Core i5-650
4gb gskill


HDMI directly to Denon 2310

I followed this guide: http://dbone1026.blogspot.com/2009/10/setting-up-codecs-for-7mc.html

I'm on win7 x64 using 7MC. I'm using ffdshow tryouts v 3254
Here's my ffdshow settings: http://i45.tinypic.com/25jcfvk.jpg
It was suggested that I check the box next to "connect as pcm first" that only caused NO video or audio to show up at all.

I've got some m2ts and mkv content with both DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD audio tracks.

One thing that I am noticing is that when I first fire up a file (m2ts or mkv) it lights up the HD stuff on my receiver just fine, but then i get NO audio unless i "skip forward" or ffw.

Now the odd thing is, if i click STOP , then come back in and restart the movie from the beginning audio works great. Then if i go to a different lossless file they work as well, first click.
(so basically start one lossless file, it doesn't play audio, then stop and back out , restart it or any other file and everything works fine)
****although after further investigation sometimes I do end up having to stop and restart lossless files no matter what.

In the end though, it seems like if we can get past the point of having to stop and restart a file to get sound working, ffdshow seems to be working great otherwise.

I would love to help this project in any way I can. Please let me know what I can do to assist here or let me know what settings I have wrong.

[albain]

Please try the build that I posted a few posts ago (it is a 32 bits build

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien :)

Sympa the interview :)
Thx,
Seb.

[gts24]

Please try the build that I posted a few posts ago (it is a 32 bits build

I should have mentioned earlier that I am using ffdshow tryouts version 3254 x64.

Do you have a link to an x64 test build?

[st0niMah0ni]

@st0niMah0ni
If you disable the audio switcher, this is normal that you loose the access to the other audio streams.
However it means that the audio switcher breaks the forward/backward playback.

But I think that this only concerns the xonar, right ?
Also, I don't understand why Haali (the latest version) wouldn't work (it does work with ATIs as far as I remember)

Hi, thx for reply.
I dont know why the latest Haali doesnt work, allready reinstalled it a few times. But if I use haali I dont get sound out of my AVR.

Its showing Truehd and DTS-HD of course, but no sound out of the boxes.
Only the MPC-HC splitter works for me.

And as you suggested , I am a xonar user, so I need to disable the internal audio switcher, if not it will connect to my directsound audio render which is not working with xonar, as far as I know.

greetz and thx

[andyvt]

@Andy

Here is a test build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3240_20100130_dbt_dxva_subs.exe)

This build is closer to 3200 behaviour

Let me know if it changes anything



It has the same behavior as the later builds (doesn't work w/ haali).

I was looking at the source for the filter and noticed that the audio filter does include


{ &MEDIATYPE_Audio , &MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_TRUEHD },
{ &MEDIATYPE_Audio , &MEDIASUBTYPE_DTS_HD}


in its registration. I made a patch (attached), but it includes some changes I made for personal use so you may not want to use it.

Thanks

[liquidskin76]

@Albain,

Thanks for all your hard work with hd audio bitstreaming and dxva!

I've been testing a Xonar Slim (using MKV files) and i'm seeing TrueHD dropouts, plus random no TrueHD audio after chapter seeking. Are these known to you for the Xonar or did you think they were ATI only?

Thanks

[mackworth]

http://mike-m.org/myimages/DTS.jpg

Thanks guys! I played that Hell Boy Clip and it played perfectly on my 5670 running through MPC-HC and ffdshow (don't have reclock installed).

When people get dropouts, how often do they get them? SHould I have run into the problem running that short clip?

[nightfly]

For ATI users, there's still some drop-out issues that are due to ATI drivers.

For Xonar users (using my config at least) I am getting perfect playback/seeking and no-dropouts using build rev3231. I haven't tested more recent builds.

[markrb]

I am running http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33958721 ATI Beta drivers with my 5670 and I do not notice any dropouts with 3254 except maybe with Star Trek. I believe these are the 10.2 Beta, but they were leaked before 10.1 was officially released.

[kjoy064]

Hi guys, i've got the latest build and i can get dtshd-ma audio sounding good but my video is very slow and choppy. this is in mkv container.

any idea's?

playing a BD iso works flawlessly with both Truehd & DTSHD so only in MKV

[imel6]

Thanks for all the efforts getting bitstreaming to work! I have an ATI 5750, an Onkyo 607 and use the latest MPC-HC and FFDshow on Windows 7. I can bitstream successfully with all formats but with some issues. Audio can take a bit before it starts playing. Switching between files (audio formats) requires me to power cycle the receiver often (I notice the dts-ma logo remains on the avr even after playback stops). Often, there is crackling and distortion during playback. Finally, I often have severe distortion and channel playback sometimes gets swapped (front channels playing through rears etc). I have tried a mpc-hc and kmplayer with several different codecs including multiple generations of ati drivers, mpc-hc versions and ffdshow drivers.

Any tips are great. thx

[nightfly]

Just a heads up for other Xonar users - the latest build on SF, rev3251, has troubles with THD titles - the movie often refuses to play, I get audio dropouts, lip sync problems, and often no audio at all. Jumping around in the movie timeline sometimes fixes the video playback, but I still get no audio and when I do, there is lip sync delay. I basically restarted several times, started from the beginning and it won't playback with audio. This was with my "stable" setup using the AS splitter as well as with the MPC splitter.

Reverted back to rev3239_beta2 from page 70 and all is perfect again - can start/stop/fwd/rew with no issues and no loss of audio or lip sync using the AS demuxer, infrequent loss of audio when using the MPC-HC standalone mpeg2 splitter (but never any lip sync delay).

[st0niMah0ni]

I still have troubles with 2 Audiofiles in 1 mkv.
Tried Rev 3230 - latest build.
reinstalled haali splitter few times but no changes.
Now I get audio with haali but choppy playback :D
xonar user btw.
I dont have that problems when there is only 1 Audio file in the mkv.
In this case both work, haali and mpc-hc internals splitter
but not with 2 audio files.

[zipi]

For ATI users, there's still some drop-out issues that are due to ATI drivers.


As some of you already know, The 57XX series is plagued with problems.

For all those Experiencing Audio Clicks etc, Download This : http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml
Please test your DPC latencies playing a video in SW mode, NOT using DXVA, & MAKE SURE your VIDEO WINDOW IS ON TOP,
Like So, Have a look, this is on XP, but many reported problems on windows 7 as well:

*******
I am wondering how many of you have this problem but not aware of it yet, please post your findings.


http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/626/gigabytevmr9dpc.png

[rica]

@zipi,
XP is out of the discussion.

[imel6]

Ok, have had some recent success. After upgrading to directx feb 2010 and cat 10.2 rc2 audio is greatly improved! No more distorted audio and much better bitstreaming. It still looks like every 5th movie requires me to power cycle the receiver to get things back in sync but I can play long chunks of audio without issue. Even some files that had always given some measure of pops and clicks or dropouts plays fine now. Not too sure what made the difference but things are almost perfect at this point. I'll further update with any further developments. Final config:

Windows 7 x64
MPC-HC 1613
FFdshow 3254
ATI 5750 (Cat 10.2 RC2)

[Andy o]

zipi, you need to disable Powerplay. This is how to do it in Win 7/Vista, I'm not sure if it will work on XP (you'll need to find the ATI/ACE folder there).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17884791#post17884791

If that doesn't work on XP you might wanna try this, but it's a 2008 post.

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=348152&view=findpost&p=4197732

[zipi]

Thanks andy, Did try it, but my XML already had same values for all WANT entries, & GPU-Z never showed any clock fluctuations.

Am I understanding it correctly ?

[Andy o]

I'm not sure if XP is different. Did you try the second link? It's a bit different.

[albain]

Hi,

new test build again (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3254_20100207_dbt_bitstream_trial_beta2.exe)

I have reverted the behaviour to rev 3239 for xonar users.

Also there was a bug with the audio delay when set different from 0

Please report if this solves all your issues with Haali splitters

It may introduce drawbacks with MPC splitter

If this is the case, I will have to plan 2 code paths depending on the splitter (we've already done that before, we're used to this kind of thing that makes our code dirty :))

[st0niMah0ni]

Thank you really much, will test it right now and report right after! :thumbsup:

update:

Still the sampe problems but a little improvement.

Playing 1 TrueHD within the mkv still works with MPC-HC splitter.

Playing 2 Audio files within the mkv is still not succesfull BUT now the audio plays fine, without dropouts but the video wont...this is only for mpc-hc splitter.

Haali still doesnt work, no output at all.


Update 2 :

Playing one DTS-HD in a mkv works only if I jump forward and back, it doesnt play fine from the beginning <-- not working with Haali

[nightfly]

Hi,

new test build again (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3254_20100207_dbt_bitstream_trial_beta2.exe)

I have reverted the behaviour to rev 3239 for xonar users.

Also there was a bug with the audio delay when set different from 0

Please report if this solves all your issues with Haali splitters



@Albain

Testing with ST 09, AS & MPC splitters, the 3254 test build didn't really fix any issues previously reported against SF rev3251. I don't get as many freezes, but still bad lip sync issues and sometimes complete loss of audio and/or video freeze (both splitters). I am not using any lip sync adjustment options.

Reverted back to rev3239_beta2, back to normal.

@Rica or Albain

Do I need a rev3251 to get LPCM bistreaming to work via ffdshow/reclock? Is the ffdshow audio filter option of "AC3 (S/PDIF encode mode)" required for this too work?

[liquidskin76]

@Albain,

Tested ffdshow_rev3254_20100207_dbt_bitstream_trial_beta2.exe from post 1458 on my Xonar however still getting dropouts and no audio when seeking. This time on both TrueHD and DTS-HD. Here's the logs...

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m55400cfd

DTS-HD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m3ca93477

Hopefully this will help!
Cheers!

[rica]

@Albain

Testing with ST 09, AS & MPC splitters, the 3254 test build didn't really fix any issues previously reported against SF rev3251. I don't get as many freezes, but still bad lip sync issues and sometimes complete loss of audio and/or video freeze (both splitters). I am not using any lip sync adjustment options.

Reverted back to rev3239_beta2, back to normal.

@Rica or Albain

Do I need a rev3251 to get LPCM bistreaming to work via ffdshow/reclock? Is the ffdshow audio filter option of "AC3 (S/PDIF encode mode)" required for this too work?

No you don't need 3251 at all; if you are fine with 3239, go with it. (Xonar doesn't like 3251 or 3254 i think.)
For pure LPCM pass-through you need ReClock, for bitstreaming of lossy or lossless formats you need ffdshow (whatever revision) and you have to tick that box for ffdshow bitstreaming not for LPCM pass-tru.

[albain]

@Albain

Testing with ST 09, AS & MPC splitters, the 3254 test build didn't really fix any issues previously reported against SF rev3251. I don't get as many freezes, but still bad lip sync issues and sometimes complete loss of audio and/or video freeze (both splitters). I am not using any lip sync adjustment options.

Reverted back to rev3239_beta2, back to normal.

@Rica or Albain

Do I need a rev3251 to get LPCM bistreaming to work via ffdshow/reclock? Is the ffdshow audio filter option of "AC3 (S/PDIF encode mode)" required for this too work?

Hi,

I can't find the exact source that was in this beta

Could you help me a little to narrow the faulty revision ?
From this link, could you try revisions : 3237, 3247
http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

Thanks

[rica]

It seems no 3239 exists.
I think it should have been 3237?

[nightfly]

It seems no 3239 exists.
I think it should have been 3237?

The link is on page 70, it's not a SF hosted build. I just checked and this is it's full name:

ffdshow_rev3239_20100129_dbt_thd_fix_beta2

@Albain - will test and let you know.

@Rica - I get bitstream to work fine w/o that "AC3 (S/PDIF encode mode)" enabled. When enabled, I get very bad results (just loud noise). I use the "external filters" feature exclusively and started with setup in an attempt to get it to work, as I need to use the Arcsoft audio renderer for HD bistreaming.

[rica]

@Rica - I get bitstream to work fine w/o that "AC3 (S/PDIF encode mode)" enabled. When enabled, I get very bad results (just loud noise). I use the "external filters" feature exclusively and started with setup in an attempt to get it to work, as I need to use the Arcsoft audio renderer for HD bistreaming.

Yes, it's clear you need to use Arcsoft Audio Renderer with your Xonar, Direct Sound Device never works with Xonar afaik.
Btw, fyi for Vista, only working renderer is MPC audio renderer (WASAPI) with Ati cards.

[andyvt]

Hi,

new test build again (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3254_20100207_dbt_bitstream_trial_beta2.exe)



Same behavior as before. Does it work for you with Haali?

[nightfly]

Hi,

I can't find the exact source that was in this beta

Could you help me a little to narrow the faulty revision ?
From this link, could you try revisions : 3237, 3247
http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

Thanks

@Albain - good news, rev 3247 seems good. I get the same results as with 3239 for ST 09 (THD), Hellboy 2 (DTS-HD) samples.

for other Xonar users don't expect perfect results with the the MPC splitter & THD. With 3239/3247 & MPC splitter, you'll get good lip sync and no video freezes, but you'll often have to start from the beginning of the title to get audio and you can't really seek around.

[albain]

@andy : my receiver is out of order, so I am "blind" again

@nightfly : thanks for testing.

Something I don't understand : nothing has been done in the audio part since 3247

However something has been done to handle Haali's new media type : but there is a remaining bug on it that I saw this week

Could you both open Haali settings and set "Use custom media types" to No and try again ?

[Sebastiii]

Hi all,

I'm busy but i'll try to make my test too, i have installed ffdshow_rev3254_20100207_dbt_bitstream_trial_beta2.exe and i didn't test on Xonar (because connection with my AVR hankshake issue i think) but i test on ATI and Lipsync works great with all SPDIF/Bitstream mode.

I'll try to describe my test for seeking :)

Thx for all,
Seb.

Edit: For now i use MPC splitter MPEG and MKV but no haali.
So i'll test it with Haali too :)

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I have just test to play DTS-MA embedded in MKV and it start slow, i must seek to play smooth, but it's freeze on MPC-HC.
I revert it to 3254 and it play fine (have only test in ATI for now).
Cheers,
Seb.

[gts24]

There seems to be alot of people stating that using the gabest splitter have been solving some issues with dts-ma and/or dolby truehd. I am using 7MC as my player.
I am using the latest revision of ffdshow tryouts.
What is the best way to easily switch between haali and the gabest splitters? (hopefully without uninstalling/unregistering either)

[rica]

I am using the latest revision of ffdshow tryouts.
What is the best way to easily switch between haali and the gabest splitters? (hopefully without uninstalling/unregistering either)

No way i think.

[Midzuki]

There seems to be alot of people stating that using the gabest splitter have been solving some issues with dts-ma and/or dolby truehd. I am using 7MC as my player.
I am using the latest revision of ffdshow tryouts.
What is the best way to easily switch between haali and the gabest splitters? (hopefully without uninstalling/unregistering either)

Not a real solution, but over here I've set Haali Media Splitter to NOT disable Gabest's MKV and MP4 splitters, and also, to NOT open "uncommon" AVIs and (principally) transport streams. These latter are handled by the File Source (asynch) filter, which then connects to MPC's Mpeg Splitter (yes, hundreds of minutes messing around with RadLight Filter Manager, GraphStudio, and the Windows registry).

[albain]

I am quite busy right now working on bluray subs.

Can you summarize your last issues ?

I sticked to issues with Haali splitter that revision 3247 would solve

But as I said earlier, nothing has been changed on the audio part since, so....

There is still a bug with the audio delay that I need to commit but that would not affect 3247 behaviour

[clsid]

There seems to be alot of people stating that using the gabest splitter have been solving some issues with dts-ma and/or dolby truehd. I am using 7MC as my player.
I am using the latest revision of ffdshow tryouts.
What is the best way to easily switch between haali and the gabest splitters? (hopefully without uninstalling/unregistering either)
With the K-Lite Codec Tweak Tool you can set a specific splitter as preferred for various file extensions. So if you got both Haali and Gabest splitters installed you can easily switch between them at any time.

[liquidskin76]

I'm now the owner of a shiny new ATI 5450 (Xonar went out the window). So i plug it in, start to get excited, then no bitstream!

Running ATI 9.12 hotfix/Realtek 2.39 combo, updated to latest MPC-HC, set renderer to Default DirectShow, updated to latest ffdshow, setup ffdshow output options (left all other audio settings as default), running mkv's using mpc matroska splitter, however can't get hd bitstream of any type.

TrueHD is outputing as LPCM. DTS-HD is outputing as DTS (however no playing correctly on receiver... DTS flashing on/off). Standard AC3/DTS is bitstreaming fine.

I'm sure i'm losing the plot! I get the same results using other recommended renderers, from within GraphStudio, and using older versions of ffdshow. As far as i can see i haven't missed anything in the setup? All that's left to try is Tulli's EDID override. Also gonna test with PDVD9 tonight.

I'm running a Sony STR-DG820 receiver. Has anyone else got this receiver and a ATI 5xxx card? If so, did you need Tulli's EDID override?

Also, what version of ffdshow is regarding as best for the ATI?

Cheers

[djcla]

I'm now the owner of a shiny new ATI 5450 (Xonar went out the window). So i plug it in, start to get excited, then no bitstream!

Running ATI 9.12 hotfix/Realtek 2.39 combo, updated to latest MPC-HC, set renderer to Default DirectShow, updated to latest ffdshow, setup ffdshow output options (left all other audio settings as default), running mkv's using mpc matroska splitter, however can't get hd bitstream of any type.

TrueHD is outputing as LPCM. DTS-HD is outputing as DTS (however no playing correctly on receiver... DTS flashing on/off). Standard AC3/DTS is bitstreaming fine.

I'm sure i'm losing the plot! I get the same results using other recommended renderers, from within GraphStudio, and using older versions of ffdshow. As far as i can see i haven't missed anything in the setup? All that's left to try is Tulli's EDID override. Also gonna test with PDVD9 tonight.

I'm running a Sony STR-DG820 receiver. Has anyone else got this receiver and a ATI 5xxx card? If so, did you need Tulli's EDID override?

Also, what version of ffdshow is regarding as best for the ATI?

Cheers

i had to use Tulli's dennon override to get my sony 2400ES to work spent days trying everything else. I am using Tulli's override and just the latest 10.2 beta drivers and all works fine.

[Peuj]

Hi,

Sorry if I've missed something but I have "strange" problem using Pass-through Dolby digital (AC3).
If I use the default AC3 codec from ffdshow it doesn't work (I just have noise), but if I use the internal AC3 from MPC-HC or AC3 Filter it works.
Just curious if it's a ffdshow AC3 codec issue, something wrong in my config or I don't understand something.

Thanks

[SamuriHL]

http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5194

Time for TMT3 bitstreaming to catch up to albain's work. :D

[rica]

Thanks samuri for the good news :)

http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5194

Time for TMT3 bitstreaming to catch up to albain's work. :D

[SamuriHL]

Thanks samuri for the good news :)

Just remember to read that whole post and don't jump the gun. It's beta and DOES have problems. But, it's nice to know that now the 5xxx cards are supported *EVERYWHERE*. Death to downsampled LPCM! :D

[rica]

Just remember to read that whole post and don't jump the gun. It's beta and DOES have problems. But, it's nice to know that now the 5xxx cards are supported *EVERYWHERE*. Death to downsampled LPCM! :D

You know; i'm used to jump ...:D

[SamuriHL]

You know; i'm used to jump ...:D

Hence why I pointed it out. :D

[rica]

Hence why I pointed it out. :D

Yeahh :D
But i don't care btw :)

[nightfly]

Curious if any Xonar users have gotten LPCM bitstreaming to work?

[djcla]

hi, great work guys by the way.. I have a couple if questions.. AVI containers with an AC3 soundtrack do not seem to play with FFDShow using MPC-HC or 7MC but MKV's work fine anyone else confirm this? If i keep the windows 7 audio decoder enabled they work. Im using a ATI 5670 card and bitstreaming of HD audio with Tulli's overide is perfect however if i create an mkv with the uncomressed LPCM track i can not get any audio at all and wondered if there was an obvious setting i needed to try? I have set uncompressed codec to all suported.. Any help be aprociated

[pbjr]

liquidskin76, I have a working 5450 on Win 7/32. All I did was install the latest ATI drivers, ffdshow, and MPC-HC. My receiver is a Onkyo TX-NR1007.

[Sebastiii]

http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5194

Time for TMT3 bitstreaming to catch up to albain's work. :D


Great ;)

Don't work for me now, i hope i find why, i use ATI HDMI and not Realtek and no bitstream with ATI lol
Thx,
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

Great ;)

Don't work for me now, i hope i find why, i use ATI HDMI and not Realtek and no bitstream with ATI lol
Thx,
Seb.

Someone else had that problem, too. They had to uninstall the Cat software, clean up the machine, and reinstall it. Then it worked for them.

[Sebastiii]

Thx SamuriHL,

I will try it :)

[dbone1026]

@ Albain,

OK, got an interesting problem here. I just received the HIS 5670 and installed in my HTPC. It is connected to a Pioneer VSX94. I am using the following:

W7 x32
FFDShow 3255
MPC HC 1.3.1644

I set everything up but only get core audio on my AVR. I tried using one of the EDIDs Tulli had created and still no luck. To make sure my Pio can accept the HD Audio (there wasnt a setting that needed to be changed) I connected my PCH A110 and had no issues getting DTS-HD and TrueHD to light up. To make sure there wasn't an issue with my settings on my HTPC, I brought it downstairs, connected it to my Onkyo 906 AVR, and once again I had no problems getting DTS-HD and TrueHD. So it appears everything is set up correctly on my HTPC, but the Pio is only accepting the Core audio. I just tried reverting back to FFDShow 3246 but no luck.

Any ideas? Many thanks.

[liquidskin76]

I'm now the owner of a shiny new ATI 5450 (Xonar went out the window). So i plug it in, start to get excited, then no bitstream!

Ok, got it working now with one ot Tulli's EDID
overrides!

One thing i'm getting is on TrueHD bitstreaming i'm losing audio when chapter seeking. I have to seek back and the audio returns.

Anyone else seeing this? On ffdshow v3265 (from XvidVideo.RU).

Thanks

[Ogider]

Yup..I have same problem with TrueHD,when using MPC.

[nightfly]

I believe this is related to the splitter being used, i.e. MPC gabest, Arcdemux, Haali.

When using Arcdemux (for us Xonar users) THD plays back the same as DTS-HD, no issues. MPC gabest has seeking issues. Don't know about Haali.


@Albain, tested with a clip today that had a Dolby Digital + track and it bitstreamed! Did you know you did that good of a job? Not that it matters as that audio format is pratically dead, but still good to know.

[rica]

Ok, no problem with TMT 170; everything works perfect here. :)

[liquidskin76]

Hi albain,

Here's the debug log for losing audio when chapter seeking with TrueHD. Now on a ATI 5450 and ffdshow v3267.

http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m78c0e1b4

Hopefully it will be a quick and easy one for you to sort!

Thanks

[dehati_paul]

@Albain
Thanks to your great work I have been enjoying HD audio bitstreaming! I have a question/request -
Given that LPCM bitstreaming is still doubtful, I was wondering if it is possible to create a TrueHD encoding option in ffdshow (similar to AC3 encoding option). I know such real-time encoder doesn't exist currently, but since TrueHD full decoder exists will it be possible to create a TrueHD real-time encoder (let's say by reverse engineering) for LPCM. Along similar lines, why can we not have real-time DTS encoder option, since full-fledged decoder exist for DTS?

Forgive me in advance for my lack of detailed technical knowledge, if this is an absurd question!!

Thanks!!!

[liquidskin76]

I believe this is related to the splitter being used, i.e. MPC gabest, Arcdemux, Haali.

I'm seeing it with MKV/Mastroska Splitter and M2TS/MpegSplitter combos on ATI 5450. Can't get latest Haali to launch vid (audio appears ok).

[sammy2]

Will ffdshow HD audio bitstreaming eventually work with Nvidia GT240? Or it could only ever work with PAP present?

[liquidskin76]

Will ffdshow HD audio bitstreaming eventually work with Nvidia GT240? Or it could only ever work with PAP present?

Hi sammy2,

ffdshow proved that PAP isn't required. I believe its usually a driver issue (driver refusing hd media types) with other HDMI1.3 cards that stops them bitstreaming.

Cheers

[Skinleech]

@ Xonar users...

Have any of you tried upgrading to the latest beta patch that SamuriHL linked to a few posts back? MPC-HC now crashes on me if I try to load anything. Removing the Arcsoft Audio renderer from the external filters/output section fixes that.

Even after a regsvr32 /u command and a re-register it hangs MPC. I don't know whether it's just my install, or if the new patch breaks something (maybe to do with bitstreaming via Clarkdale/ATI cards?)

[SamuriHL]

CRAP! I didn't even think about that issue. :( Sorry about that. I should have realized that Xonar users were using the renderer. Yea, they rewrote it for the new bitstreaming model. This is going to be an issue. You'll need to log it as far as you can and see if Albain can figure out what's wrong.

[Skinleech]

No need to apologize, I should have thought oif it too, only took me a few moments of head scratching after the missus said "such and such doesn;t work anymore when I try to watch it" that I figured it out.

Logs to follow right now, if I can even get anything - MPC-HC freezes as soon as I try to open a file.

EDIT:

Here they are:

http://www.mediafire.com/?hog2nnzzwet

Looks like it can't resolve the file type. I logged THD and DTS-HD MA default settings, only Xonar formats and only Xonar formats plus send PCM first.

Regular DTS and AC3 do not work either, I can log them too if needed. Thanks...

[st0niMah0ni]

CRAP! I didn't even think about that issue. :( Sorry about that. I should have realized that Xonar users were using the renderer. Yea, they rewrote it for the new bitstreaming model. This is going to be an issue. You'll need to log it as far as you can and see if Albain can figure out what's wrong.

And whats the solution now?

Deinstall arcsoft and re-install it again??

I cannot play anything with mpc-hc anymore.

And TMT is sending only PCM to my Receiver in all cases.

greetz

[Skinleech]

My plan is to grab anotehr copy of the v1.60 Audio Renderer and stick it in a separate folder to register. Not 100% sure that will work but it should.

TMT bitstreams still for me - but it did change the audio CP options. Go into settings and make sure you have Original Primary Audio selected, not PCM mixing.

[SamuriHL]

Yea, I don't know what the solution is going to be. If they rewrote the audio renderer for bitstreaming with the 5xxx cards and clarkdale then for Xonar we may be screwed for a bit. I'm really hoping Albain can take a look at those logs and see if anything obvious jumps out at him.

[liquidskin76]

@Albain,

Here's the logs for both the Xonar and ATI 5xxx, running on ffdshow v3267.

Xonar

Audio dropouts and loss of audio when seeking.

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f39e5d883
DTS-HD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f6b0587c5

(MKV, MPC Matroska Splitter, Arcsoft Audio Renderer)

ATI 5450

Just loss of audio when seeking.

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f780dd5a0

(MKV, MPC Matroska Splitter, all compatible audio renderers)

I think all the above is also happening with M2TS and MPC Mpeg Splitter however need to double check.

Thanks!

[Skinleech]

My plan is to grab anotehr copy of the v1.60 Audio Renderer and stick it in a separate folder to register. Not 100% sure that will work but it should.

Yep, that works.

I still have TMT3 v1.70 installed, but unregistered that version of the audio renderer, and copied over a version from 1.60 to a different folder, then registered that.

Reselected the right Arcsoft Audio Renderer in MPC and files are loading again. A stop-gap solution perhaps, but it works.

[albain]

@Albain,

Here's the logs for both the Xonar and ATI 5xxx, running on ffdshow v3267.

Xonar

Audio dropouts and loss of audio when seeking.

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f39e5d883
DTS-HD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f6b0587c5

(MKV, MPC Matroska Splitter, Arcsoft Audio Renderer)

ATI 5450

Just loss of audio when seeking.

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f780dd5a0

(MKV, MPC Matroska Splitter, all compatible audio renderers)

I think all the above is also happening with M2TS and MPC Mpeg Splitter however need to double check.

Thanks!

Hi,

Let's focus on the ATI first, the problems may be related

were there a working revision with which you didn't get any loss of sync ?


@Xonar users : I think you can get the old version of the arcsoft renderer, copy it somewhere, register it and install the new version of TMT.
Both should work in parallel (because arcsoft filters are not registered, the player address the files directly)

[liquidskin76]

Hi,

Let's focus on the ATI first, the problems may be related

were there a working revision with which you didn't get any loss of sync ?

Hi albain,

I'm new to the ATI so i haven't tested older versions that much.

It's not so much loss of sync, it's loss of audio completely on TrueHD when seeking (mostly seen on mkv chapters). I have to seek back or forward for the audio to return. Its intermitent and not consistent to any single chapter.

I'll do some tests on older versions this afternoon/evening and let you know. Are there any specific versions you want me to test?

Thanks

[liquidskin76]

@albain,

Tested various builds back to 3160 (from XvidVideo.RU) (when hd bitstreaming was merged) on ATI 5450 (using mkv/MPC Matroska Splitter) however i had the same problem on all.

The loss of audio happens when chapter seeking and time line seeking however it's never consistant, and happens at different points.

Do you have any personal beta builds from before 3160 that i can test?

Did manage to test using mt2s/MPC Mpeg Splitter as the one TrueHD m2ts i have hangs when timeline seeking!

Can't test on latest Haali to verify if its the splitter as vid won't play (Haali bug?).

Thanks!

[Skinleech]

@Xonar users : I think you can get the old version of the arcsoft renderer, copy it somewhere, register it and install the new version of TMT.
Both should work in parallel (because arcsoft filters are not registered, the player address the files directly)

Looks like I was wrong in my earlier post, I get no sound at all doing that. I will test uninstalling TMT completely and see what happens.

[SamuriHL]

Did you re-register the arcsoft audio renderer after doing the upgrade? Also, you may have to unregister it before re-registering it in a different location. Windows gets picky about this stuff.

[Skinleech]

Did you re-register the arcsoft audio renderer after doing the upgrade? Also, you may have to unregister it before re-registering it in a different location. Windows gets picky about this stuff.

I sure did, no dice.

Tried unregistering & re-registering the new copy multiple times, but nada. MPC shows that it's loading the Arcsoft renderer, but no sound comes through :(

I may scrap MPC-HC & FFdshow and start from scratch there too - anyone know where the reg entries for MPC are held?

Also, to Xonar owners, the last build of Ffdshow I installed was 3231. How are the newer builds working?

Cheers.

[Skinleech]

Ok, so it's working again. I was possibly/probably doing something wrong, in that I seem to need to choose default direct sound device in MPC's output section in order to get the Arcsoft Audio renderer loading. I think in my previous test I was using the System default setting instead.

Anyway, I fully un-installed TMT3, cleaning our reg entries etc, then re-installed up to 1.60. I think I'll steer clear of the patch until it's not a beta. I can cope with getting the Update message periodically, or I'll update to 1.61. Tomorrow, or more likely over the weekend, I'll experiment with keeping a sperate copy of the Audio Renderer so that TMT3 can be updated without issue.

[nightfly]

I am current running rev3243 (although my sig says 3239). I also recommend going with MPC-HC setting in an ini - it's an option and that allows one to have multiple versions with different settings for testing.

[liquidskin76]

@albain,

Tested various builds back to 3160 (from XvidVideo.RU) (when hd bitstreaming was merged) on ATI 5450 (using mkv/MPC Matroska Splitter) however i had the same problem on all.

The loss of audio happens when chapter seeking and time line seeking however it's never consistant, and happens at different points.

Do you have any personal beta builds from before 3160 that i can test?

Did manage to test using mt2s/MPC Mpeg Splitter as the one TrueHD m2ts i have hangs when timeline seeking!

Can't test on latest Haali to verify if its the splitter as vid won't play (Haali bug?).

Thanks!

Just want to check that i'm not leading albain on a wild goose chase!

Is anyone else on either ATI 5xxx or Xonar, using either MKV/MPC Matroska Splitter or M2TS/MPC Mpeg Splitter, seeing loss of audio when seeking on TrueHD?

Also, anyone else seeing audio dropouts on Xonar on TrueHD?

If so, maybe it would be good to list what container/splitter combo you're using as maybe it's a splitter issue?

Has anyone had any luck with the latest Haali splitter? I get no video.

Cheers

[liquidskin76]

I am current running rev3243 (although my sig says 3239). I also recommend going with MPC-HC setting in an ini - it's an option and that allows one to have multiple versions with different settings for testing.

Hi nightfly,

You mention in your signature that you are using the Arcsoft Splitter. Is that ArcDemux.ax? If so, is it working for MKV's as well as M2TS? Have you any MKV's that you could test? Would be great to know!

Are you seeing any audio dropouts or loss of audio when seeking using this container/splitter combo on TrueHD?

Cheers

[albain]

@albain,

Tested various builds back to 3160 (from XvidVideo.RU) (when hd bitstreaming was merged) on ATI 5450 (using mkv/MPC Matroska Splitter) however i had the same problem on all.

The loss of audio happens when chapter seeking and time line seeking however it's never consistant, and happens at different points.

Do you have any personal beta builds from before 3160 that i can test?

Did manage to test using mt2s/MPC Mpeg Splitter as the one TrueHD m2ts i have hangs when timeline seeking!

Can't test on latest Haali to verify if its the splitter as vid won't play (Haali bug?).

Thanks!

No, builds before 3160 were unstable or buggy.

About Haali, try to uncheck "Use custom media type for h264" in Haali's settings.

There is a bug in FFDShow

[liquidskin76]

About Haali, try to uncheck "Use custom media type for h264" in Haali's settings.

There is a bug in FFDShow

I've got a feeling i tried that however no luck. I'll double check!

[nightfly]

Hi nightfly,

You mention in your signature that you are using the Arcsoft Splitter. Is that ArcDemux.ax? If so, is it working for MKV's as well as M2TS? Have you any MKV's that you could test? Would be great to know!

Are you seeing any audio dropouts or loss of audio when seeking using this container/splitter combo on TrueHD?

Cheers

I have stated this repeatedly...MPC Gabest splitter has issues seeking on THD titles - every version of ffdshow/MPC SA filters I've tried. DTS-MA works fine. Though not every THD title exhibits this - Monsters VS Aliens is an exception as I was able to seek around ok.

The AS splitter works flawlessly with ffdshow 3239/3243 on THD titles - the only drawback is lack of subtitle support and the reason I want to use MPC Gabest splitter (and ability to switch audio streams - but that less important).

[FoLLgoTT]

@all Radeon 5xxx users
Before I buy this card I need to know one thing. Does anyone got bitstreaming via ffdshow to work with custom refresh rates (e.g. 48Hz)?
I own a CRT projector (Sony G90) and otherwise I would need a scaler which converts the 24Hz to 48Hz.

Thanks.

[rasmusb]

Hi everyone!

I'm trying to bitstream TrueHD and DTS-MA but I'm only having partial success. Any suggestion or help is appreciated!

My problem:
TrueHD does not bitstream at all. It gets decoded by ffdshow and gets passed to the receiver as LPCM. I have tried it in .m2ts container and muxed to mkv. I have attached a DebugView log from trying a TrueHD track. I guess this part of the log says it all?
00000289 1.22496104 [1308] TaudioParser::getSupportedFormat no compatible format supported
00000290 1.22498965 [1308] TaudioParser::getCodecIdFromStream truehd
00000291 1.22502077 [1308] TffdshowDecAudioInputPin : switching codec from AC3 s/pdif to truehd
DTS-MA works but has drop-outs about once every 3-5 seconds.
Also, when pausing in mpc-hc the audio gets in a weird feedback loop where it goes from silent to very loud in about 10 seconds. Unpausing or exiting mpc-hc turns of the noise. This is the same as when playing a TrueHD track and only seems to appear with the MPC audio renderer.

My system:
Vista x64.
ATI HD 5670, Catalyst 10.2 drivers, ATI HDMI audio driver.
ffdshow 3268 x86 (from xvidvideo.ru)
MPC HC 1.3.1586 x86 (from xvidvideo.ru)
I'm using Mpeg/Matoska source from mpc-hc and MPC Audio renderer. Haali splitter is uninstalled.
My receiver is a Denon 1909. I have installed Tullis EDID override for a Sony TV.

Any suggestion leading me in the right direction would be very appreciated. I would gladly try any idea to get me further.

Regards,
Rasmus

[liquidskin76]

My receiver is a Denon 1909. I have installed Tullis EDID override for a Sony TV.

Have you also installed an EDID override for your ATI HDMI / Denon? I think you should be able to use an existing Denon EDID override, even if it's not an exact model match. I did for my Sony AVR.

Cheers

[liquidskin76]

@Albain,

Here's the logs for both the Xonar and ATI 5xxx, running on ffdshow v3267.

Xonar

Audio dropouts and loss of audio when seeking.

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f39e5d883
DTS-HD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f6b0587c5

(MKV, MPC Matroska Splitter, Arcsoft Audio Renderer)

ATI 5450

Just loss of audio when seeking.

TrueHD... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f780dd5a0

(MKV, MPC Matroska Splitter, all compatible audio renderers)

I think all the above is also happening with M2TS and MPC Mpeg Splitter however need to double check.

Thanks!

@albain,

You can forget about the audio dropouts on the Xonar. I believe it's to do with the Asus ION motherboard i run the Xonar slim on. Hasn't got enough juice to run everything! :D

So it's just the loss of audio on TrueHD whilst seeking, on both ATI 5xxx and Xonar (like you said, i expect it's related).

Cheers!

[rasmusb]

Have you also installed an EDID override for your ATI HDMI / Denon? I think you should be able to use an existing Denon EDID override, even if it's not an exact model match. I did for my Sony AVR.

Cheers

I have installed one .inf file titled "Sony 52W5500 - DENON AVR1910" over the "Generic PnP Monitor" device. How do I install an override for the ATI HDMI device? Or do I misunderstand you?

[liquidskin76]

I have installed one .inf file titled "Sony 52W5500 - DENON AVR1910" over the "Generic PnP Monitor" device. How do I install an override for the ATI HDMI device? Or do I misunderstand you?

Are you running just the one display via hdmi? If so, ignore what i said! I was thinking of 2 seperate monitors devices.

[David602]

EDIT: Found out what the problem is.


I think i've discovered a compatibility problem with a few TrueHD tracks that were ripped with eac3to/MKVMKERGE.

I've been using FFDSHOW to bitstream DTS HD and TrueHD with great success since the early builds.

I converted my entire library over to .MKV from ISO rips and then I discovered a few rips with True HD play with distortion/static when in .MKV format only, when ripped with eac3to/mkvmerge.

I can still hear the audio track, it's not entirely static, but it has a muffled/distortion sound on it.

At first I thought this was a bad ffdshow build but I've gone back and tested builds since the beginning and it happens in all of them that I tested.

I then thought it was something specific to my Xonar/Pioneer system but I just built a new Clarksdale system yesterday and it's experiencing the exact same problem.

These are some of the discs where I've experienced audio distortion/static so far:
Indiana Jones 4 (H.264 / TrueHD)
Defiance (H.264 / True HD)
The Matrix (VC-1 / True HD)

Based on my testing, the same clips play fine in .m2ts but not .mkv:

Original disc - MPC/FFDSHOW & TMT3 bitstreams TrueHD fine with no distortion
Rip movie to .m2ts - MPC/FFDSHOW bitstreams TrueHD fine with no distortion
Rip movie to BDMV structure - TMT3 bitstreams TrueHD fine with no distortion
Rip movie to .MKV - MPC/FFDSHOW bitstreams with distortion/static
Rip Movie to .MKV - Disable bitstream in FFDSHOW, and enable decoding, plays LPCM with no distortion


I've uploaded 2 samples, I'm hoping someone can try to reproduce the error, especially Samuri since he has a Pioneer or Andy since he has a Clarksdale.

Matrix w/ True HD .MKV (50 MB)
Ripped with eac3to/mkvmerge
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SHYNECBI

Matrix w/ True HD .M2TS (50 MB)
Ripped with Tsmuxer
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=39DL1G18

Setup #1)
Xonar HDAV 1.3 deluxe
Pioneer VSX-01TXH

MPC-HC build 1635 (x86)
MPC Matroska Splitter (internal to MPC)
FFDSHOW rev 3247 (x86)
Arcsoft Renderer (TMT3 .160)

Setup #2)
Intel Clarksdale H55
Pioneer VSX-01TXH
-- different HDMI cable and different input port on receiver

MPC-HC Build 1680 (x86)
MPC Matroska Splitter (internal to MPC)
FFDSHOW rev 3274 (x86)


Just to confirm, all DTS HD MA tracks bitstream fine. All OTHER TrueHD tracks bitstream fine. It's just a few select TrueHD tracks that do this.

EDIT UPDATE:
I re-ripped the discs using MakeMKV and they work fine! This distortion is occuring with eac3to/mkvmerge only!

[albain]

Thanks for all your tests, and great news

So the muxer is faulty

[liquidskin76]

hi albain,

did u have any luck replicating the loss of audio when seeking on truehd with your ati, using mkv/mpc matroska splitter or m2ts/mpc mpeg splitter ?

thanks!

[liquidskin76]

Hi David602,

Have you experienced loss of audio when seeking on your Xonar with mkv / matroska splitter?

Cheers

[David602]

Hi David602,

Have you experienced loss of audio when seeking on your Xonar with mkv / matroska splitter?

Cheers

No - it's pretty solid. When you say loss of audio, are you referring to just a few seconds of silence while it catches up or total loss until something is done to fix it?

Sometimes it may be silent for a few seconds but it's worked pretty well.

[David602]

Hey Albain... FFDSHOW DXVA doesn't work with the Clarksdale. Are there any plans to add this support? I saw that Intel put out an SDK to make it easy to code to it.

[albain]

hi albain,

did u have any luck replicating the loss of audio when seeking on truehd with your ati, using mkv/mpc matroska splitter or m2ts/mpc mpeg splitter ?

thanks!

My receiver is out of order, can't tell you

Normally when seeking occurs ffdshow resets the buffers to find a sync word.

The only way to debug this is to make a build that traces the buffers (not the content, only type & size) that it gets.

It is not very difficult but this takes time. I'll try to do this this week or next WE as I have nearly finished my work on bluray subs

[albain]

I found a bug in ffdshow while seeking occurs.

I don't know why but after seeking the timestamps are negative and the frames are dropped (which is normal)

[albain]

I think I nailed it !

Revision 3278

[liquidskin76]

I think I nailed it !

Revision 3278

albain, i love you man!

[Sebastiii]

Me too :) lol
Thx,
Seb.

[rica]

Can't find the link to 3278?

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

Not compil yet :)
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

This is awesome news. I need to get all the latest stuff installed and try it out. Let's see here...dxva support, bd subs, and bug fixed bitstreaming. Hmm, yea, that sounds nice. :D

[Sebastiii]

This is awesome news. I need to get all the latest stuff installed and try it out. Let's see here...dxva support, bd subs, and bug fixed bitstreaming. Hmm, yea, that sounds nice. :D

Yes :) i have a little more time this week-end so i have made somes tests and find somes issues and old issues. But for Audio Bitstream all works good and if the fix for seek and THB works great -> it's very very very great stuff :)

Thx Albain :
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

My time has been limited the past few weeks. Between my job situation, my second HTPC blowing up....twice, and now my cable box dying...twice, I haven't had a lot of time to mess around with anything. Hopefully things will calm down a bit this week.

[Sebastiii]

@SamuriHL :) how you cut .m2ts to make a little sample ? please ;)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

My time has been limited the past few weeks. Between my job situation, my second HTPC blowing up....twice, and now my cable box dying...twice, I haven't had a lot of time to mess around with anything. Hopefully things will calm down a bit this week.

whouuu bad luck, i hope all that good now :)

[SamuriHL]

@SamuriHL :) how you cut .m2ts to make a little sample ? please ;)
Seb.

I use tsMuxer. You can set a start and end point and it'll just output that section.

[SamuriHL]

whouuu bad luck, i hope all that good now :)

Most of it is. Job may be ok. HTPC is fixed. Cable box is still screwed til tomorrow.

[Sebastiii]

Cool :) i'll test it now :)

[David602]

Is anyone on a clarksdale able to play LPCM tracks? I'm referring to tracks that come as LPCM on the disc (Pirates of the Carribean, etc.)?

I'm getting PIN errors, the splitter cannot even connect to FFDSHOW.

[albain]

Is anyone on a clarksdale able to play LPCM tracks? I'm referring to tracks that come as LPCM on the disc (Pirates of the Carribean, etc.)?

I'm getting PIN errors, the splitter cannot even connect to FFDSHOW.

LPCM 24 (HD) is not supported yet by FFDShow.

We don't have any valuable dump traces to reverse engineer the format

Maybe some of you did but I may have missed them

[SamuriHL]

It should be possible now with the TMT3 beta to get those dumps. Someone with a 32 bit install and the dump tool should post some 48/24 LPCM track dumps.

[Sebastiii]

I'll try to dump with 170 beta and no log output :(

[rica]

Is anyone on a clarksdale able to play LPCM tracks? I'm referring to tracks that come as LPCM on the disc (Pirates of the Carribean, etc.)?

I'm getting PIN errors, the splitter cannot even connect to FFDSHOW.

Not sure for clarksdale but give it a go with MPC-HC and reclock combination for WASAPI bitstreaming; check this config:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1370134#post1370134

Caution: Install ffdshow and reclock before MPC-HC.

I'll edit my post that i gave the link to show how to config MPC and Reclock more detailled; i don't use ffdshow for lpcm.

[rasmusb]

I'm still trying to find out why ffdshow does not stream TrueHD to the MPC audio renderer on my system with this error message:
TaudioParser::checkOutputFormat refused for codec bitstream Dolby True HD with sample format 256
From the source it seems the MPC audio renderer has helpful debug output. Is there a build of the renderer with debug output enabled available anywhere or do I have to build it myself?

[SamuriHL]

That error indicates your driver refused the media type that was sent to it. What setup are you using?

[rasmusb]

That error indicates your driver refused the media type that was sent to it. What setup are you using?

My setup is described in Post #1524 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1375636#post1375636). Basically HD 5670, Catalyst 10.2, No Realtek driver, EDID override. DTS-MA works with some dropouts.

[SamuriHL]

That's pretty odd. Have you tried the realtek driver at all? Also, you can get Tulli to make you an override specific for your equipment now if you want. There's a new tool to get the realtime EDID info so that he can make a custom driver for you. Not sure if that'd help or not but it might not hurt to try it.

[rasmusb]

Thanks for the suggestion! I have had the Realtek driver installed previously but not since installing the latest ATI graphics driver. How do I identify which is which? This is the driver info from device manager:

ATI High Definition Audio Device
Driver Provider: ATI
Driver Date: 2010-01-15
Driver Version: 6.57.0.6602
AtiHdmi.sys file version: 6.57.0.6602

The EDID override matches my system almost exactly so I think it might be the least likely problem. Tulli said in some post that the bitstreaming works the same with all overrides.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, that's the driver from the 10.2 Catalyst set. So that's good....in theory. I'd give the realtek driver another try and if it doesn't work, you can just uninstall it and the ATI driver will come back.

[rica]

I'll edit my post that i gave the link to show how to config MPC and Reclock more detailled; i don't use ffdshow for lpcm.

Done.

[rasmusb]

Ok, that's the driver from the 10.2 Catalyst set. So that's good....in theory. I'd give the realtek driver another try and if it doesn't work, you can just uninstall it and the ATI driver will come back.
Ok, I have now tried the Realtek HDMI drivers 2.39 and 2.42. They broke DTS-MA support and did no change to TrueHD support.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, I have now tried the Realtek HDMI drivers 2.39 and 2.42. They broke DTS-MA support and did no change to TrueHD support.

Um, then you have something else going on there with your machine. I don't have any idea what the issue could be, but, I'd seriously consider uninstalling realtek and ATI drivers, then reinstall ATI...reinstall your EDID, try again with that, and if not, then reinstall 2.42 realtek. Other than that, I'm not sure what could be going on, but, there's definitely something wrong with your machine.

[rasmusb]

Um, then you have something else going on there with your machine. I don't have any idea what the issue could be, but, I'd seriously consider uninstalling realtek and ATI drivers, then reinstall ATI...reinstall your EDID, try again with that, and if not, then reinstall 2.42 realtek. Other than that, I'm not sure what could be going on, but, there's definitely something wrong with your machine.

So I built a debug version of the MPC audio renderer. It confirmed what you said, the driver refuses the wave format with subtype KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP. This is the log anyway. I will try a clean install of windows on another drive tomorrow if nobody has any other suggestions.

Thanks a lot for helping me out! I will continue to bug you guys with stupid questions until I get this sorted out ;)

Cheers!

[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckAudioClient
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType wFormatTag = 0xfffe
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType nchannels = 8
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType nSamplesPerSec = 192000
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType nAvgBytesPerSec = 3072000
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType nBlockAlign = 16
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType wBitsPerSample = 16
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType cbSize = 22
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType wValidBitsPerSample= 16
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType dwChannelMask = 0x3f
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType SubFormat = KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DOLBY_MLP
[4960] CMpcAudioRenderer::CheckMediaType WASAPI client refused the format
[4960] TaudioParser::checkOutputFormat refused for codec bitstream Dolby True HD with sample format 256

[SamuriHL]

No problem. Hopefully you get this sorted out soon. I don't have any other suggestions other than to clean install the drivers at this point. Good luck!

[nightfly]

I think I nailed it !

Revision 3278


I dl'ed 3281 from xvidvideo and in my setup, using the ST09 sample, the 3281 build breaks THD bitstreaming and I get video lockup, nothing will play using the MPC splitter AND the AS demuxer (which is rare for whatever reason).

I test with MPC-HC v1249 & v1622.

Due to the performance of ffdshow & AS demuxer that led me to believe the issue lies within the MPC Splitter.

I reverted back to rev 3239, all is good again.

[somy]

Hi, I'm new here.
I've followed the instructions to setup ffdshow and MPC-HC, and both in latest version, but I have some problem when playing BD disks:
1) I can't switch audio track from default LPCM to TrueHD. I tried to click on TrueHD track but nothing happens, it still sends LPCM to my AVR.
2) I can't display the embeded subtitles, is there any special settings required?

My setup is: ATI HD5770, Windows 7. I have ATI 10.2 driver and Realtek 2.39 HDMI driver. PowerDVD 9 works fine for me, I can change audio track and subtitle without any problem.

Any suggestion is appreciated!

[albain]

I dl'ed 3281 from xvidvideo and in my setup, using the ST09 sample, the 3281 build breaks THD bitstreaming and I get video lockup, nothing will play using the MPC splitter AND the AS demuxer (which is rare for whatever reason).

I test with MPC-HC v1249 & v1622.

Due to the performance of ffdshow & AS demuxer that led me to believe the issue lies within the MPC Splitter.

I reverted back to rev 3239, all is good again.

I think that they can't work together (I mean arcsoft behaviour and others (ati,intel...)) : behaviour from rev <3279 is working with arcsoft filters but gives loss of audio or audio cuts with ATI, clarksdale,....
Behaviour with revision >=3279 works for me : I tested it on a TrueHD receiver with MPC splitter and my ATI 5750.

The difference is the following :
- old behaviour : if timestamps are negative (which is the case just after seeking), the frames are dropped and a sync frame is looked after => frames with positive timestamps can be dropped (if they are non sync frames)

- new behaviour : if timestamps are negative, the frames are dropped.
This behaviour is better because the TrueHD streams are not synchronized according to their length. So no frame should be dropped as soon as the timestamps are positive, even if they are not sync frames

[blackEyEz]

When will version 3278 be online? im experiencing THD dropouts too

[rasmusb]

I've dug a little deeper with my inability to bitstream TrueHD and it is like you SamuriHL first suggested a problem with the EDID.

I parsed the audio block from the EDID override I use (Denon 1910) I use and found that it contains these two entries for TrueHD:
MLP/TrueHD, 6 ch, 44-192kHz
MLP/TrueHD, 8 ch, 44-96kHz
Then I did the same for another one of the overrides (Denon 988) and it contains one entry for TrueHD:
MLP/TrueHD, 8 ch 44-96,192kHz
Apparently my receiver does not support the wave format TrueHD, 8 channels and 192kHz, which is the format that ffdshow tries to use in my setup.

Is there any way to make ffdshow use a waveformat with 96 kHz or 6 channels for TrueHD?

EDIT: I wrote a little test program which checks wave formats supported by the WASAPI IAudioClient and it seems it accepts "TrueHD 8ch 96kHz". It does not accept "TrueHD 6ch 192kHz" though. Maybe the driver just uses the last entry for each audio type?

EDIT 2: Yes! I got it to work. I installed an EDID for another AMP (Sony DG-820) which has only one TrueHD entry in the audio block (8 ch and 192 kHz). It works perfectly so my Denon 1909 is apparently full of it when it says it does not support 8 ch and 192 kHz. Maybe the ATI driver actually reads the EDID correctly from the amp but the amp sends the wrong information?

EDIT 3: I removed the EDID override and it works the same as when having an override for my amp, ie "TrueHD 8ch 96kHz" is accepted by the driver but not 192kHz. I would say that if it would be possible to packet the TrueHD stream in a "TrueHD 8ch 96kHz" Waveformat we would not need the EDID override anymore. The driver accepts "TrueHD 8ch 96kHz" with 32 bits per sample which should be the same bitrate as "TrueHD 8ch 192kHz" with 16 bits per sample.

[SamuriHL]

Oh nasty. Ummmm, I don't think that's possible, no. albain would have to answer that for sure.

[nightfly]

I think that they can't work together (I mean arcsoft behaviour and others (ati,intel...)) : behaviour from rev <3279 is working with arcsoft filters but gives loss of audio or audio cuts with ATI, clarksdale,....

Yes, you mentioned this before I think, the solutions are different for the two, but you did mention the possibility of forking the logic in-code (I know how that can be a pain, I am a sw engr by trade).

Behaviour with revision >=3279 works for me : I tested it on a TrueHD receiver with MPC splitter and my ATI 5750.

The difference is the following :
- old behaviour : if timestamps are negative (which is the case just after seeking), the frames are dropped and a sync frame is looked after => frames with positive timestamps can be dropped (if they are non sync frames)

- new behaviour : if timestamps are negative, the frames are dropped.
This behaviour is better because the TrueHD streams are not synchronized according to their length. So no frame should be dropped as soon as the timestamps are positive, even if they are not sync frames

Perhaps I am just seeing the difference between rev 3239/3243 where THD bistreaming works great with the Xonar and the latest builds which don't.

So I don't think the changes you made for THD seeking for MPC are a factor as your solution seems very logical and straightforward - but are in fact maybe related to differences between 3239/3243 and the latest builds as tje behavior with 3281 is the same as 3254+ (video/audio lockup).

I did not test 3243 a lot. I've tested with 3239 quite a bit, so my confidence in it is high. However with ST09, issues are easy to reproduce and that's what I tested 3243 on and it seemed it's behavior was consistent with 3239.

Ah well, my Xonar setup is not long for this earth, have Clarksdale in house and am simply waiting for the driver video playback issues to settle down before migrating on.

[albain]

Sure I will add 2 different code paths for xonar & ATI & co but I would like to have confirmation that the last revision fixes the last issues with the ATI

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

I have try and sorry, it didn't fix it on ATI :( and also i have an issue with DTS too (slow video when sound is on after the sound is play, the video run smooth.

I'm on 3283 version :)

Thx,
Seb.

[albain]

Hi :)

I have try and sorry, it didn't fix it on ATI :( and also i have an issue with DTS too (slow video when sound is on after the sound is play, the video run smooth.

I'm on 3283 version :)

Thx,
Seb.

Can you try revision 3285 ? thanks

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien,

Yes i can try but i've try before to compile it (FFDshow any version) and i didn't build easily and also not with icl etc.
Can you build it :)
Thanks.
Seb.

Edit : i'm downloading now :)

[albain]

Désolé, I could have made one build

[Sebastiii]

Hi :) no pb :) it's just to test and i'll go to test after yesterday busy evening lol

[Sebastiii]

I've tested :)

it's better :)
On DTS side all is OK
On THD side works better but sometime when i seek (no sound comes) i must stop and restart (i have try with no bitstream and seeking is perfect lol)

But on sample THD 2.0 (no sound and when i seek it, i have a noise sound buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz something like that).

But finally, i think it's better, i have just tested sample and not my BD disc, i'll test it this evening :)
Big thx.

Ps : i upload sample THD 2.0 and i'll try to make log if you want (Debugview).
Seb.

Edit : Sample Being.There.1979.sample.m2ts (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Being.There.1979.sample.m2ts)

[David602]

Has anyone been successful bitstreaming DTS HD and TrueHD with HAALI?

Are the MPC splitter and Arcsoft Demuxer the only solutions for working with FFDSHOW bitstreaming?

[blackEyEz]

Has anyone been successful bitstreaming DTS HD and TrueHD with HAALI?

Are the MPC splitter and Arcsoft Demuxer the only solutions for working with FFDSHOW bitstreaming?

I have been working on that today, i streamed a MKV with truehd unsuccesfuly with haali. I tried MPC-HC splitter and no problems except that in Mediaportal you cant have subtitles.

So a no go for me but if you use MPC-HC i would use their splitter.

[Sebastiii]

Yes too.

Otherwise for subtitle (not PSG) i use MPC splitter for MKV and MPC splitter for .m2ts and for now VSFilter.

but i hope that with FFDshow and i'm sure that Albain realise the dream lol :) and the top that working with MP too :)
Seb.

[tetsuo55]

New realtek drivers released:

Regular:
Vista, Windows7 Driver (32/64 bits) Driver only (ZIP file) R2.43 2010/2/25 55041k
Windows 2000, Windows XP/2003(32/64 bits) Driver only (ZIP file) R2.43 2010/2/25 30539k

ATI HDMI:
ATI HDMI Audio Device R2.42 2010/2/12 17953k

Judging from the catch-up in version numbers i think the installer will get unified soon.

link: realtek (http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false)

[Sebastiii]

thx :)

[blackEyEz]

Thx, will give it a go.

edit: Seeking in truehd is not fixed

[albain]

Can you tell me what are the remaining problems ?

MKV with Haali+TrueHD : is it seeking problem or it won't play at all ?

[Sebastiii]

Can you tell me what are the remaining problems ?

MKV with Haali+TrueHD : is it seeking problem or it won't play at all ?

Hi Damien :)

I speak with MPC Matroska + TrueHD.

For Haali, i didn't success to make it work. (i'll retest tonight to see)

For my side with ATI, i can seek many time and sometime, no sound and from my test it doesn't comeback.
I must stop and replay but i have made this test with sample and not complete movie.

I have also strange issue with sample in THD 2.0, but i don't know if it's related lol.

If i disable bitstreaming of course seeking works great.

But it's even better than before :)

Cheers,
Seb.

[rica]

albain,

for all of the SVNs of ffdshow i met this issue for DTSHD.

With or without tulli's override,
With or without Realtek.
Current Ati driver is 10.2.

The original files are 6 channels, 48 kHz, 24 bits.

DTSHD-MA; source Angels and Demons,
DTSHD-HR; source HitMan

ffdshow gives 8/16:

DTSHD-MA:

00004332 11.40981007 [1236] WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE :
00004333 11.40981007 [1236] subFormat : KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DTS_HD
00004334 11.40981007 [1236]
00004335 11.40981007 [1236] wSamplesPerBlock : 16
00004336 11.40981007 [1236] Valid bits per sample : 16
00004337 11.40981007 [1236] dwChannelMask : 255
00004338 11.40981007 [1236]
00004339 11.40981007 [1236] WAVEFORMATEX :
00004340 11.40981007 [1236] wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE
00004341 11.40981007 [1236] Channels : 8
00004342 11.40981007 [1236] Bits per sample : 16
00004343 11.40981007 [1236] Samples per second : 192000
00004344 11.40981007 [1236] nBlockAlign : 16
00004345 11.40981007 [1236] nAvgBytesPerSec : 3072000
00004346 11.40981007 [1236]
00004347 11.40994167 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00004348 11.40997982 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00004349 11.41009903 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00004350 11.41013718 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00004351 11.41025543 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00004352 11.41029549 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00004353 11.41041470 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00004354 11.41045666 [1236] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD

DTSHD-HR:

00005385 10.99881840 [1396]
00005386 10.99881840 [1396] WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE :
00005387 10.99881840 [1396] subFormat : KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DTS_HD
00005388 10.99881840 [1396]
00005389 10.99881840 [1396] wSamplesPerBlock : 16
00005390 10.99881840 [1396] Valid bits per sample : 16
00005391 10.99881840 [1396] dwChannelMask : 255
00005392 10.99881840 [1396]
00005393 10.99881840 [1396] WAVEFORMATEX :
00005394 10.99881840 [1396] wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE
00005395 10.99881840 [1396] Channels : 8
00005396 10.99881840 [1396] Bits per sample : 16
00005397 10.99881840 [1396] Samples per second : 192000
00005398 10.99881840 [1396] nBlockAlign : 16
00005399 10.99881840 [1396] nAvgBytesPerSec : 3072000
00005400 10.99881840 [1396]
00005401 10.99903202 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00005402 10.99908352 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00005403 10.99919701 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00005404 10.99926472 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00005405 10.99939156 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00005406 10.99944496 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00005407 10.99956989 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00005408 10.99962234 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00005409 10.99974728 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00005410 10.99979782 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD
00005411 11.46488094 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType sample format 512
00005412 11.46490479 [1396] TffdshowDecAudio::getMediaType:96000 Hz, 8 channels Bitstream DTS HD

[Sebastiii]

Hi Rica :)

I have the same issue, about DTS-HR on my AVR and ATI.
With PDVD9 is ok :)

But seeking with DTS-HD is working great :)

Seb.

[rica]

Hi Rica :)

I have the same issue, about DTS-HR on my AVR and ATI.
With PDVD9 is ok :)

But seeking with DTS-HD is working great :)

Seb.

Hi Seb.

Seeking on DTSHD has never been an issue.

I gave it a go with 3285 this evening.

No dts (SD) dropouts anymore with 10.2 Ati drivers.
Seeking is much better now on THD btw.

So 8/16 issue for DTSHD tracks are common?

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

Common i'm not sure, like i remenber, SamuriHL detect DTS-HR with his Pioneer. But before Albain find solution with DTS-MA and Pio, on my side DTS-MA working on my avr.
So i think it's was missing a tweak for DTS-HR :)
Seb.

[liquidskin76]

Hi Damien :)

I speak with MPC Matroska + TrueHD.

For Haali, i didn't success to make it work. (i'll retest tonight to see)

For my side with ATI, i can seek many time and sometime, no sound and from my test it doesn't comeback.
I must stop and replay but i have made this test with sample and not complete movie.

Exactly the same here, however i can confirm its happening on full movies (tested a few), and at random seek positions. I can go back to the same chapter for example and audio disappears. Launch the same movie again and chapter seek to same chapter and audio is fine.

With Haali i get no vid (black screen) however Damien i remember you saying that there was bug in ffdshow related to this? If i use another codec Haali is fine.

Thanks!

[liquidskin76]

DTS-HD is working fine for me. No seekings/audio issues at all!

[liquidskin76]

Scratch that about Haali. It's playing vid fine when using ffdshow dxva and software decoding.

As for loss of audio when seeking with TrueHD, its still happening with Haali as well as mpc matroska.

Cheers

[rica]

DTS-HD is working fine for me. No seekings/audio issues at all!

Weird.
Normally DTSHD must work without tulli's override with my poor Denon 1910.

Never works with or without override; i get 8/16 info from ffdshow????

[liquidskin76]

@albain,

Just noticed this... was testing something else on my integrated nvidia geforce 9300 hdmi and noticed that the dts core on dts-hd files are not being pulled correctly. No audio is playing and DTS 1.0 (wtf... didn't know that existed!!) keeps flashing up on my sony avr. Plain old dts is fine.

Here's the debug log... http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=8BUHya3p

Thanks

[albain]

albain,

for all of the SVNs of ffdshow i met this issue for DTSHD.

With or without tulli's override,
With or without Realtek.
Current Ati driver is 10.2.

The original files are 6 channels, 48 kHz, 24 bits.

DTSHD-MA; source Angels and Demons,
DTSHD-HR; source HitMan

ffdshow gives 8/16:


I understand but what is the issue exactly ?

FFdshow reports a wrong number of channels but it is not that wrong because it corresponds to the number of IEC lines

@liquidskin76 : does it concern all DTSHD files or only those with DTS 1.0 in it ?

@all : about the black video issue with Haali, this is due to the new media type in the last haali version that was not handle correctly in ffdshow. I brought the support but incorrectly, Tal fixed it recently. Please use a recent revision of ffdshow (3298 for example) to confirm

[rica]

FFdshow reports a wrong number of channels but it is not that wrong because it corresponds to the number of IEC lines

Thanks, i got it. :)

[liquidskin76]

@liquidskin76 : does it concern all DTSHD files or only those with DTS 1.0 in it ?

The DTS-HD files i have tested are 5.1 with 5.1 DTS cores. If tested with MPC-HC and it's own audio decoding, the 5.1 DTS core is pulled ok.

Thanks

[albain]

The DTS-HD files i have tested are 5.1 with 5.1 DTS cores. If tested with MPC-HC and it's own audio decoding, the 5.1 DTS core is pulled ok.

Thanks

Okay, there might be a bug on the audio parser when it extracts the DTS core

[Sebastiii]

Hi albain,

For me so i don't know if it's the same issue :) DTS-HR 7 channel, my avr detect it in DTS-MA 5 channel.
I'm go to test last version of ffdshow :)
Thanks,
Seb.

[blackcell]

Scratch that about Haali. It's playing vid fine when using ffdshow dxva and software decoding.

As for loss of audio when seeking with TrueHD, its still happening with Haali as well as mpc matroska.

Cheers

Yep, have same issue wrt TrueHD using MPC Matroska.

[SamuriHL]

Hi albain,

For me so i don't know if it's the same issue :) DTS-HR 7 channel, my avr detect it in DTS-MA 5 channel.
I'm go to test last version of ffdshow :)
Thanks,
Seb.

I thought we had DTS-HR working?? Is that with an ATI or Xonar that you're having problems? My HTPC is dead right now so I can't test it, but, I've got a replacement PSU and case coming later in the week so hopefully that gets me back up and running soon. As soon as I get my machine going again I'll test that out for you.

[chuuey]

i suppose DTS-HD decoding in software isn't supported yet? I have a few TrueHD videos playing over analog just fine, but DTS-HD films either audio speeds up and it's just unwatchable or i have to change to libdts to properly watch, this is normal? Thanks

[David602]

Can you tell me what are the remaining problems ?

MKV with Haali+TrueHD : is it seeking problem or it won't play at all ?


I tested the latest build (3292) with MPC Matroska splitter on TrueHD and had no issues. Seeking was instantaneous and I had no drop-outs. This is the best I've seen it on my intel clarkdale system with a Pioneer Elite receiver.

Unfortunately, now DTS HD MA is broken, which I have to figure out. I don't think it's the latest build because I installed builds going back (3274, 3254, 3227) and it was still broken (silence, receiver shows "stereo").

I think the DTS issue is on my system, I'm going to try other Intel drivers.

For anyone else with an Intel clarkdale, which version of the intel drivers are you using and which FFDSHOW rev?

Thanks

[andyvt]

Unfortunately, now DTS HD MA is broken, which I have to figure out. I don't think it's the latest build because I installed builds going back (3274, 3254, 3227) and it was still broken (silence, receiver shows "stereo").


Where are you getting your ffdshow builds from? All of the recent builds from xvidvideo.ru have broken DTS(-MA) for me, where the recent builds on sourceforge work fine.

[Sebastiii]

I thought we had DTS-HR working?? Is that with an ATI or Xonar that you're having problems? My HTPC is dead right now so I can't test it, but, I've got a replacement PSU and case coming later in the week so hopefully that gets me back up and running soon. As soon as I get my machine going again I'll test that out for you.

Hi,
It's on ATI and with PDVD it's ok :)
Seb.

[dbone1026]

Where are you getting your ffdshow builds from? All of the recent builds from xvidvideo.ru have broken DTS(-MA) for me, where the recent builds on sourceforge work fine.

I used FFDShow 3291 from soureforge combined with MPC HC 1577, not problems with DTS(MA) or TrueHD from both mkv and m2ts. Tested on my clarkdale (Intel 2086 driver).

I haven't tested on my clarkdale yet but with my HTPCs using the 5670 the one thing that has not been stable for me is bitstreaming HD Audio through WMP12/WMC. Movies either won't play at all unless I uncheck all the passthrough audio formats in FFDShow Audio or I get playback with audio dropouts.

[SamuriHL]

Hi,
It's on ATI and with PDVD it's ok :)
Seb.

Ok. I'll test in a couple days. New PSU arrives tomorrow. New case on Thursday, so, once I get my machine back up and running I'll take a look. I'm pretty sure I still have your HR sample. We should see what TMT3 does with it, too.

[rica]

All audio HD formats have no issue with my Ati and Denon(+tulli's override) and with ffdshow 3285.

[David602]

Where are you getting your ffdshow builds from? All of the recent builds from xvidvideo.ru have broken DTS(-MA) for me, where the recent builds on sourceforge work fine.

I've been getting them from here:

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

I thought that was where Albain was posting them... didn't realize they were also on Sourceforge. I've been downloading the x86 (non ICL11) version.


You are downloading from here?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/

What's the difference?

[dbone1026]

I've been getting them from here:

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

I thought that was where Albain was posting them... didn't realize they were also on Sourceforge. I've been downloading the x86 (non ICL11) version.


You are downloading from here?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/

What's the difference?

Yeah, I get from the sourceforge link. I grab the CLSID (non icl10)

[liquidskin76]

All audio HD formats have no issue with my Ati and Denon(+tulli's override) and with ffdshow 3285.

Hey rica,

Are you running m2ts or mkv? I'm guessing mkv as you have been helping me elsewhere! :D

[liquidskin76]

Ok. I'll test in a couple days. New PSU arrives tomorrow. New case on Thursday, so, once I get my machine back up and running I'll take a look. I'm pretty sure I still have your HR sample. We should see what TMT3 does with it, too.

Mate, you got to get your htpc sorted... you're missing out on all the fun!

(What case are you getting?)

[rica]

Hey rica,

Are you running m2ts or mkv? I'm guessing mkv as you have been helping me elsewhere! :D

Both of them but i must say you will need ffdshow or LPCM decoder (if you are using MPC Gabest MPEG Source) between the source filter and Reclock while you are trying to get bitperfect PCM streaming inside m2ts container.
With Haali you can directly connect it to ReClock btw.

You will not need any decoder between source filter (matroska or haali) and Reclock if the same file inside an mkv container.

I'll edit my thread soon i hope.

[liquidskin76]

Looks like albain been busy! Check out xvidvideo...

ffdshow tryouts project, svn 3299 (x86/x64)

HD audio : added special behavior for xonar users;

Guess he's split the ati/core i3 and Xonar coding.

[SamuriHL]

Mate, you got to get your htpc sorted... you're missing out on all the fun!

(What case are you getting?)

The Antec Nine Hundred Two with an Antec 750 EA PSU. :D PSU is coming tomorrow, case is coming day after. I may stick the PSU into my old case to make sure it's still working.

[albain]

I've been getting them from here:

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/ffdshow-tryouts-project-x86-x64/

I thought that was where Albain was posting them... didn't realize they were also on Sourceforge. I've been downloading the x86 (non ICL11) version.


You are downloading from here?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/

What's the difference?


There are no differences.

The project maintainers post the builds on sourceforge

But there are other builders and xvidvideo.ru is a good source

[andyvt]

There are no differences.

The project maintainers post the builds on sourceforge

But there are other builders and xvidvideo.ru is a good source

There shouldn't be a difference but there is. DTS has been broken in all of the recent xvidvideo.ru builds I've tested and it works in the builds on sourceforge.

[clsid]

The difference is in the compilers that are used by the builders. Plain MSVC vs. ICL10 vs. ICL11, and different versions of MinGW GCC.

[David602]

Unfortunately, now DTS HD MA is broken, which I have to figure out. I don't think it's the latest build because I installed builds going back (3274, 3254, 3227) and it was still broken (silence, receiver shows "stereo").

I think the DTS issue is on my system, I'm going to try other Intel drivers.

Thanks

I figured out the problem. It wasn't the FFDSHOW build. In MPC-HC, I had changed the audio renderer to "Intel: <<my receiver name>>" which is my default direct sound renderer but for some reason, this stopped DTS HD from working. TrueHD still worked fine.

I had to change the audio renderer to "System Default" and it now works fine.

Again, strange since my default renderer in windows is my Intel: Pioneer device.

[STr1t]

Hi all,
Thank you for everything!
I'm from Russia and I like watching movies in English with subtitles.
So, if I only switch audio track to the DTS-HD/TrueHD there is no delays/seeking problems. But If I turn on subtitles the seeking problem appears, but only on DTS-HD. TrueHD is OK.
I'm using default MPC subtitles.

Thank you.

[albain]

Hi all,
Thank you for everything!
I'm from Russia and I like watching movies in English with subtitles.
So, if I only switch audio track to the DTS-HD/TrueHD there is no delays/seeking problems. But If I turn on subtitles the seeking problem appears, but only on DTS-HD. TrueHD is OK.
I'm using default MPC subtitles.

Thank you.

Have you tried with FFDShow subtitles filter ?

It might be due to the lack of power of your CPU.
Check your CPU usage

[STr1t]

Have you tried with FFDShow subtitles filter ?

It might be due to the lack of power of your CPU.
Check your CPU usage

Hello,
I have q9550@3.53ghz
When I turn on subtitles and DTS-HD there is only 5% load on my CPU.

I'm sorry I didn't understand about FFDShow Filter. I tryed to find it but I could'nt.
I know only there is subtitles option in ffdshow video decoder, but DTS-HD and TrueHD don't work with ffdshow video decoder.
Can you tell where I can find the FFDShow subtitles filter?

Thank you.

[blackEyEz]

Whats the status of TrueHD and seeking? I find this a very important issue

[KyleK]

Hey there,

I was wondering how you guys deal with video files that have multiple audio streams, one of them being DTS-HD, the other a normal AC3 (commentary) track. I'm using the latest MPC-HC and ffdshow builds (64-bit) and my receiver receives the DTS-HD bitstream just fine, but I can't switch to the commentary track. This is with MPC's internal audio switcher disabled. If I enable it, it's the other way around: the commentary track is to be heard, but I have no way of switching to the DTS-HD track.

[rica]

Hey there,

I was wondering how you guys deal with video files that have multiple audio streams, one of them being DTS-HD, the other a normal AC3 (commentary) track. I'm using the latest MPC-HC and ffdshow builds (64-bit) and my receiver receives the DTS-HD bitstream just fine, but I can't switch to the commentary track. This is with MPC's internal audio switcher disabled. If I enable it, it's the other way around: the commentary track is to be heard, but I have no way of switching to the DTS-HD track.

Enabling or disabling audio switcher doesn't matter.

Just select the audio you want from here:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3671/0043.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/0043.png/)


_ _ _

[KyleK]

Hm,

I should've mentioned that video is a H.264 encode in an MKV container. This doesn't have the sub menu that is shown in your screenshot, unfortunately.

[rica]

Would you upload a short cut from your problematic mkv?

[cheetah111]

Hm,

I should've mentioned that video is a H.264 encode in an MKV container. This doesn't have the sub menu that is shown in your screenshot, unfortunately.

What about the A key? Pressing the A key is supposed to change audio stream. I am creating multiple-audio mkvs but I never had the chance to test secondary audio streams because the first stream is FLAC and the second is the movie's original DTS-HD or TRUE-HD and my AV receiver is not capable of decoding HD formats. So, I am very interested to know if the A key performs the task.

[KyleK]

@cheeta111: The A key doesn't work (I tested with the internal audio switcher on and off).

@rica: Any hints on how I can cut a couple of seconds out of the mkv? Last time I've done something like this was when XviD came out :)

[HeadlessCow]

@cheeta111: The A key doesn't work (I tested with the internal audio switcher on and off).

@rica: Any hints on how I can cut a couple of seconds out of the mkv? Last time I've done something like this was when XviD came out :)

mkvmerge will do it. Just use the file splitting option on the second tab.

[KyleK]

Ok, here's a short sample: http://www.mediafire.com/?wqoytzoywaj

[tonyZ3C]

hi

From the first message :
the best is to use the the arcsoft renderer (on a dos window in administrator mode : regsvr32 (total media path)\codecs\asrenderer.dll)

i don't have this dll, ( i'm using tmt3 version provided with the xonar slim version )

is this ASAudioRenderer.dll instead ?
( which seems to be a valid activex as regsvr32 works when you run it as administrator under 7)

thanks

[liquidskin76]

is this ASAudioRenderer.dll instead ?

Thats the one!

[STr1t]

Hello,
I have q9550@3.53ghz
When I turn on subtitles and DTS-HD there is only 5% load on my CPU.

I'm sorry I didn't understand about FFDShow Filter. I tryed to find it but I could'nt.
I know only there is subtitles option in ffdshow video decoder, but DTS-HD and TrueHD don't work with ffdshow video decoder.
Can you tell where I can find the FFDShow subtitles filter?

Thank you.

ohh yeah!
I changed output device from MPC Audio Renderer to DirectSound Default and problem solved!
Super!
Thanks everyone :)

[albain]

Hi,

I'm willing to fix one of the last issues about HD audio : True HD seeking

For that I'll a contribution of one of you. Maybe Sebastii has he knows the dumper on his finger-tips :)

The test that I need :

1/ File with TrueHD track. Any player will suit
2/ Use FFDShow audio in bitstream mode
3/ Start the dumper and hook it to the player
4/ Play the file and seek until you loose the audio => note the time where it looses the audio

Thank you

And yes, if I am asking that is because I still don't have my receiver back from repair to do the test on my own

[SamuriHL]

And yes, if I am asking that is because I still don't have my receiver back from repair to do the test on my own

sigh. And I just got into a spirited discussion with someone on my hatred for Onkyo recently. This would be why.

Anyway, good news about you looking into the seeking issue. Hopefully Seb will be able to get you the info you need to fix it.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I'm willing to fix one of the last issues about HD audio : True HD seeking

For that I'll a contribution of one of you. Maybe Sebastii has he knows the dumper on his finger-tips :)

The test that I need :

1/ File with TrueHD track. Any player will suit
2/ Use FFDShow audio in bitstream mode
3/ Start the dumper and hook it to the player
4/ Play the file and seek until you loose the audio => note the time where it looses the audio

Thank you

And yes, if I am asking that is because I still don't have my receiver back from repair to do the test on my own


Hi :)

I go to test and report logs :)
Big thx :)
Seb.

With Dumptool and ATI it crash :( it seams to crash like in PDVD9.

Nom de l’application défaillante mplayerc.exe, version : 1.3.1687.0, horodatage : 0x4b80986f
Nom du module défaillant : KERNELBASE.dll, version : 6.1.7600.16385, horodatage : 0x4a5bdaae
Code d’exception : 0x0eedfade
Décalage d’erreur : 0x00009617
ID du processus défaillant : 0x11a4
Heure de début de l’application défaillante : 0x01cac09d504ed9e7
Chemin d’accès de l’application défaillante : C:\Utils\MPC_homecinema_HD\mplayerc.exe
Chemin d’accès du module défaillant: C:\Windows\system32\KERNELBASE.dll
ID de rapport : 915d70ce-2c90-11df-92ac-002618527746

I try to make it work :)

[rica]

albain,

i lost the audio in third or fourth seeking.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2423/0045q.png (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/0045q.png/)




http://www.mediafire.com/?ykljwtmlztd


ffdshow 3285 with MPC-HC.
BTW launcher never works at all, i got it with DebugView, hope it gives an idea.

[rica]

But i should say it's not regular.
Short skips never create any issue.

[albain]

I have made a new build where I reset the context when there is a seeking (I only made it on the parser but not the bitstreamer before)

I also added some debug traces
Here is the link (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3309_20100308_dbt_hdaudio_try1.exe)

Note that this is a test build that holds the new ffmpeg libraries so it may be not stable

[liquidskin76]

Hi Albain,

Just ran a quick test however ffdshow audio decoding isn't loading for me with the test build.

Tested with debuging both enabled and disabled.

Thanks for looking at... i know you're up to your neck in other stuff!

Cheers

[KyleK]

@rica: Did the sample I provided give any insight on why audio switching doesn't work?

[Sebastiii]

Thx,

I'm not @ home for now so i can't test, i hope that someone can test also :)

Thanks,
Seb

[rica]

@rica: Did the sample I provided give any insight on why audio switching doesn't work?

Yeah it doesn't work.
I'm not experienced on mkvmerge, maybe it's better you to ask in mkvtoolnix 3.2.0 thread to mosu.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=933870#post933870

[rica]

I have made a new build where I reset the context when there is a seeking (I only made it on the parser but not the bitstreamer before)

I also added some debug traces
Here is the link (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3309_20100308_dbt_hdaudio_try1.exe)

Note that this is a test build that holds the new ffmpeg libraries so it may be not stable

No, MPC MPEG Source didn't match with ffdshow and selected MS DTV-DVD audio decoder which means no need to get debug logs.

[cheetah111]

Yeah it doesn't work.
I'm not experienced on mkvmerge, maybe it's better you to ask in mkvtoolnix 3.2.0 thread to mosu.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=933870#post933870

I suspect that it does not work when you use bitstreaming via ffdshow right?

For me it works when I use Haali Media Splitter, AC3Filter (as I said no HD capable AVR), but I have to press the A key once, or else video and audio plays at higher than normal speed. With ffdshow audio decoder I can change audio streams using the A key but I hear only static (no HD capable AVR).
I hope this helps somehow.
KyleK are you using MPC's MPEG Splitter?

Edit: With ffdshow audio decoder sending LPCM to AC3Filter I can hear both streams pressing the A key to switch between them. And yes, when I use MPC's MPEG Splitter I cannot change audio streams using the A key when the MPC's Audio switcher is off but I can change them using the A key when the audio switcher is ticked. When the MPC's Audio switcher is used you can have the same effect using right mouse button>filters>audio switcher and there you can select the audio streams.

[KyleK]

Yes, I would guess that I'm using the MPC's MPEG Splitter, as I haven't installed anything else.
I used to use Haali for a long while but last time I tested it didn't work with HD audio bitstreams. Are there more recent builds of Haali than the one at http://haali.su/mkv/ ?

[rica]

Edit: With ffdshow audio decoder sending LPCM to AC3Filter I can hear both streams pressing the A key to switch between them. And yes, when I use MPC's MPEG Splitter I cannot change audio streams using the A key when the MPC's Audio switcher is off but I can change them using the A key when the audio switcher is ticked. When the MPC's Audio switcher is used you can have the same effect using right mouse button>filters>audio switcher and there you can select the audio streams.

I can not see any audio switcher under filters even it was selected on MPC with this sample.
Have you given it a go with KyleK's sample?
BTW sample.mkv (or any mkv) doesn't use MPC's MPEG splitter AFAIK. (Sorry, i know it's out of discussion in this thread.)

[imel6]

Don't know what component is the problem here but I figured I should ask.
One of the biggest problems I have is that after I stop playback or if I open a new file it seems the last played file connection to the receiver is maintained. So, for example, if I bitstream a dts-ma file my receiver will light up 'dts-ma'. Now even if I stop playback, my receiver still says 'dts-ma'. Even closing the software sometimes it persists. Now when I open a new file playback may begin but the receiver says 'dts-ma' and i get no sound (new file can be flac, truhd etc....) Only after resetting the receiver or changing speaker output in windows is everything reset.

I am not sure what component causes this. Is it the audio decoder (or bitstreamer), the splitter, renderer? I have used a variety of players including kmplayer but primarily use MPC-HC. I use the latest builds of MPC-HC and FFDShow along with realtek audio driver. I use the ATI 5750 with Windows 7 64bit.

thx

[rica]

@imel6, do not use Realtek drivers.

[imel6]

@imel6, do not use Realtek drivers.

Thanks Rica. Turns out I had a combo of problems
1. Realtek drivers
2. MPC Audio Renderer

Things are almost perfect now. My best results bitstreaming this evening was with Reclock's latest driver.

Thanks again!!

[nightfly]

Just wanted to report that build 3316 from xvideo.ru works as well as my "tried and true" v3239. So it would seem that the current builds works as well my old stable test build.

The only issue is that still get lost audio on THD titles while seeking either when paused or when "live". Invariably, I am able to get audio back by seeking "back" in the title. It has to be back of "sufficient" amount of time.

Update: the current build is better than my old test build. I have the "remember file/dvd position" option enabled in MPC and that caused me issues with loss of audio in the older builds. I would have to seek back to regain audio. But in build 3316, that is no longer the case for some previously problematic titles: Dark Knight, Iron Man, and Brave One. So a definite improvement.

Did a clarksdale test the other day and ffdshow worked great, didn't notice any issues. Soon my xonar setup will be on ebay.

Thanks as always Albain.

[David602]

Thanks Rica. Turns out I had a combo of problems
1. Realtek drivers
2. MPC Audio Renderer

Things are almost perfect now. My best results bitstreaming this evening was with Reclock's latest driver.

Thanks again!!

I thought reclock broke bitstreaming through FFDSHOW? Does the new driver allow bitstreaming of TrueHD/DTS HD MA now?

[SamuriHL]

The latest version of ReClock allows HD audio passthrough.

[rica]

The latest version of ReClock allows HD audio passthrough.

I would expect to connect MPC Splitter directly to ReClock renderer (1.6.4) or via ffdshow.
But i always see default directsound device as renderer instead of ReClock.
BTW, PCM and Bitstream selected as WASAPI on ReClock config.
And Reclock audio renderer is selected under "Output" option of MPC-HC.
What am i missing?
Would you give me an SS of the graph?

[SamuriHL]

I would expect to connect MPC Splitter directly to ReClock renderer (1.6.4) or via ffdshow.
But i always see default directsound device as renderer instead of ReClock.
BTW, PCM and Bitstream selected as WASAPI on ReClock config.
And Reclock audio renderer is selected under "Output" option of MPC-HC.
What am i missing?
Would you give me an SS of the graph?

I don't have it running with MPC-HC. I've not tried it yet at all. I've been using it with TMT3 and have had great success with it. If I get a chance I might be able to try with MPC-HC tomorrow with ffdshow. I've been just been crazy busy lately. I don't even have the latest installed at the moment.

[sub24ox7]

Hello, everyone I havn't posted in this thread in a while I am guessing most people have gotten rid of there xonar's. I unfortunately still have mine and was wondering the state of the xonar right now with bitstreaming from mkv files.
I have a problematic file at the moment, it is terminator 2 skynet edition that i have remuxed the extended version into mkv and it will play fine for 3 or 4 seconds but then goes out and it and so on. If i skip ahead it does the same thing resumes playback for 3 or 4 seconds and then the audio goes in and out. Should I give up on the xonar and are there any specific builds that are better for the xonar? This specific dts-hd track has a dts-es core and i don't know if that is giving me the trouble or what but i would love to be able to get playback without the audio dropping in and out. :-( You guys are great for all that you have done especially Albain, Thank you for all you have done. :-)
I can upload a little sample if needed, oh and this is using every build of ffdshow i have ehich is quite a few including the newest. I am using the newest haali matroska splitter.

[Sebastiii]

Hi sub24ox7,

Can you try with MPC standalone filtre Mastroka in place of Haali ?
And yes it would be great if you can upload a sample :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien,

I know that you are very busy :)

Is it possible that you can look into MpegSplitter source standalone filter for .m2ts file ?

There are somes issues about this like, it didn't find subtitle on some .m2ts (TMT find it and mediainfo too).

Somes issues also about detection from mediaportal about stream audio.

But it maybe related :)

A sample to test :

Bug in .m2ts with MPC Mpeg source and splitter sample N°1 (via free) (http://sebinternet.free.fr/M2TS_0001_Multisubs(not_working).rar)

Bug in .m2ts with MPC Mpeg source and splitter sample N°1 (via mediafire) (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jjng4q0tocz)

Bug in .m2ts with MPC Mpeg source and splitter sample N°2 (via mediafire) (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tmmymmzlwga)

Thanks a lot :)
Seb.

[sub24ox7]

Thank you Sebastiii! Using the internal mpc mkv splitter alleviated the problem, no more audio dropouts!
thanks again,
sub24ox7

[tonyZ3C]

hi

As sub24ox7 mentioned, i'am also unfortunately :-) a xonar owner and i'am trying to make it works under 7 X64

Actually except TM3 version provided with the sound card
and mpchc 32 setuped with Arcoft audio renderer + ( internal mkv splitter or gabest splitter ), i can't make it work

Does someone in the same confiiguration has already make it work under Media center X64 player ?
I would like to continue using this nice Media Browser plugin.

I don't think there is a 64 bits versions of arsoft software so i can't use their audio render under X64 software

One additional question : Is this normal that when i choose MPC audio renderer , and then close/open the software, when i have a look at the filters used
i still have Default Direct Sound device
I have the same problem using graphstudio, it is the only audio renderer that i can't add

regards

[albain]

Hi Damien,

I know that you are very busy :)

Is it possible that you can look into MpegSplitter source standalone filter for .m2ts file ?

There are somes issues about this like, it didn't find subtitle on some .m2ts (TMT find it and mediainfo too).

Somes issues also about detection from mediaportal about stream audio.

But it maybe related :)

A sample to test :

Bug in .m2ts with MPC Mpeg source and splitter sample N°1 (via free) (http://sebinternet.free.fr/M2TS_0001_Multisubs(not_working).rar)

Bug in .m2ts with MPC Mpeg source and splitter sample N°1 (via mediafire) (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jjng4q0tocz)

Bug in .m2ts with MPC Mpeg source and splitter sample N°2 (via mediafire) (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tmmymmzlwga)

Thanks a lot :)
Seb.

Yes I experience such issues too : actually it seems that the streams are not detected until a packet holding the subtitles occurs, which is a few seconds before the (first) subtitles are displayed. Then if you right click again you see the streams

You confirm ?

About dumper tests : tu as pu récupérer les traces du dumper avec FFDShow + TrueHD + perte de son en seeking ? De quoi as tu besoin sinon ?

[Sebastiii]

Salut Damien :)

Yes i confirm and when i split the m2ts in several file, sometime i can obtain the sub (on few split file).

For the dumper, je n'ai pas pu récupérer de dump, ca crash dans le kernelbase si je passe par l'ATI, je suis pas a la maison, je rentre mercredi soir, la perte de son arrive un peu n'importe qd après avoir seek.
Donc ce que je vais faire c'est de faire un dump avec la Xonar sans l'ATI et de passer les LOGs, quoique je peux le faire à distance, mais je ne sais pas qd je perdrai le son.
Sinon pour que cela marche ptet une modif du dump pour qu'il fonctionne avec l'ATI mais ca va etre chaud :)
Merci en tout les cas, je vais qd meme te faire des logs et tu nous dira si tu trouve qqchose.Ps: J'ai un peu discuté avec Haali sur IRC, peut etre que tu peux venir et voir avec lui pour que son splitter fonctionne aussi avec le bitstream :)

Sorry about the HS french ;)

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

So one shot log :)

Log N°1 FFDshow via MPC Arcsoft Audio renderer seeking (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstreamseekthd1.rar)

I hope that is good :)
Thanks,
Seb.

[albain]

Great, thanks:thanks:

Can you upload the sample too ? thx

[Sebastiii]

:)

TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TEST_7.1_TRUEHD.m2ts)

:thanks:

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Hello guys...

I haven't been here for a while... :)
I think you did a great job here!

I just got an ATI 5670 for my htpc...
It is connected with the denon avr 2309

OS: Windows 7
Player: MPC-HC 1752.x86
FFDShow: ffdshow tryouts project, svn 3317
MKV-Splitter: Haali Media Splitter (newest Version)
other Player: PowerDVD9 + last patch

I installed the denon display driver for the correct EDID data...

Test 1: BluRay @ PowerDVD = TrueHD & DTS-HD works fine -> blue light is up
Test 2: Testfile (TS) with TrueHD @ HPC-HC = works fine -> blue light is up

but Test 3: MKV with DTS-HD @ HPC-HC = blue light is flickering (avr) and the tone / pictures is juddering (lots of drop-outs in video and audio.) :(

Normal mkv with dts or ac3 just work fine...

What could be the issue?


EDIT: I tried now this version: ffdshow_rev3181_20100104_dbt_dxva_beta5

Here was the same problem. Than i just deactivated the Haali Media Splitter and now it is working, but the audio-tracks aren't changeable ?!?

[SamuriHL]

Haali most likely.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Is there an other / better mkv splitter where i can use hd-sound and can switch the audio tracks (e.q. for double language...)

[SamuriHL]

MPC-HC has a built in splitter that seems to work. If you're not using MPC-HC, then I'm not sure.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Thx u!

I just installed ffdshow_rev3299_20100303_xxl and deinstalled tha haali splitter and use the built in (hpc-hc) and the switching works fine (but just with the context-menu)

TrueHD & DTS-MA @ mkv = works fine now!

[SamuriHL]

Glad I could help. :) Hopefully haali will get fixed one of these days. Not sure what's causing that issue.

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

Again log :) with rev3318

Log N°2 FFDshow via MPC Arcsoft Audio renderer seeking (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstreamseekthd2_3318.rar)

I hope that is good :)
Thanks,
Seb.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Hi Guys...

Here my results ;)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0029au7p.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0029au7p.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0027hu15.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0027hu15.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0031n5cn.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0031n5cn.jpg)

PS Sorry because the quality ... just had the iphone here ;)

[Sebastiii]

Hi Damien :)

I have just try, and for now seeking works great (i have just add a little strange bug like the sound speak like an Helium but just seek again and sound ok).
I think you have make a very good fix :) for the Part1 :)
Big Thx,
Seb.

EDIT :
I have tested this sample : Being.There.1979.sample.m2ts (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Being.There.1979.sample.m2ts) THD 2.0 -> No sound -> and if i seek i have a noisy sound (bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).
The log : bitstreamFFDshow3318_THB20 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstreamFFDshow3318_THB20.rar)

EDIT2 : : Strange this sample works if i select Realtek HDMI Output, but if i left this output renderer, i can't play other THD sample (it play very very slow and no sound).
So if you need somes others log (Dump or debugview) let me know :)
Strange again : TrueHD 7.1ch 96KHz.m2ts works other don't even DTS-MA with this renderer.

Thanks :)

[liquidskin76]

Hey Damien,

On the tests i've done so far, build 3318 is working great for TrueHD seeking. Haven't had one instance of lost audio yet.

Thanks!

[STaRGaZeR]

Hey Damien,

On the tests i've done so far, build 3318 is working great for TrueHD seeking. Haven't had one instance of lost audio yet.

Thanks!

I still get silence sometimes when seeking in m2ts files with TrueHD tracks, I'm not bitstreaming, with r3318.

[notnyt]

Hi All,

I've been reading this thread since it started, and the previous discussion in the main thread. I finally upgraded my HTPC from an nVidia setup to a Clarkdale setup. Everything worked great right away without any troubles. I have it hooked up to a Denon 5308 so HD audio was a welcome addition. I'll make sure to post a report if I run into any issues.

Thanks for all your hard work and testing. It is most appreciated.

I have one question though. The only thing that keeps this from being a perfect integration (mediaportal), is that the Stream Switcher will pick the first language in the file, which is often not my native language. Is it possible to add a field to FFDShow so the user can specify a language of choice?

[albain]

This is good news because I have analyzed the logs and didn't find anything unnormal, so "part1 of THD seeking fix" in rev 3318 becomes just "THD seeking fix"

About THD 2.0 : I am sure that the problems comes from the media structure that is passed to the renderer.

Seb, can you get some dump trace using TMT and ATI and a THD 2.0 file ?

Thank you

[Sebastiii]

Hi Albain :)

Great news :) you are the best.
For dump it doesn't work with TMT .170 :( i must use this version for bitstream with ATI. And with PDVD, it's crash :(.
So how i can made more help ? i'll try this evening other possibiliy :)

Thanks again,
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi All,

I've been reading this thread since it started, and the previous discussion in the main thread. I finally upgraded my HTPC from an nVidia setup to a Clarkdale setup. Everything worked great right away without any troubles. I have it hooked up to a Denon 5308 so HD audio was a welcome addition. I'll make sure to post a report if I run into any issues.

Thanks for all your hard work and testing. It is most appreciated.

I have one question though. The only thing that keeps this from being a perfect integration (mediaportal), is that the Stream Switcher will pick the first language in the file, which is often not my native language. Is it possible to add a field to FFDShow so the user can specify a language of choice?

Hi, Nyt :)
Yes it's great idea, i saw albain have add this option in beta test, so i will try this evening too.
Normally (but maybe some code to change for MP) like ffdshow use fonction IAMStreamSelect, it would be work :)
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

Seb, add ReClock to the mix and see if that helps at all with TMT3 170.

[Sebastiii]

Hi SamuriHL :)
I will try ;)
Thanks :)

[SamuriHL]

No promises that it'll help but it's a thought anyway. :)

[David602]

Hi Damien :)

I have just try, and for now seeking works great (i have just add a little strange bug like the sound speak like an Helium but just seek again and sound ok).
I think you have make a very good fix :) for the Part1 :)
Big Thx,
Seb.

Thanks :)

So the latest build eliminates the audio dropout/silence when seeking in TrueHD (.mkv) but sometimes the people talking sounds like they are on helium?

So is it better or worse now?

[Sebastiii]

Hi David602,

It appends only once, i can't reproduce it, but i seek very very quicly when it appear :) but for now seeking works great :)
Seb.

[notnyt]

Hi, Nyt :)
Yes it's great idea, i saw albain have add this option in beta test, so i will try this evening too.
Normally (but maybe some code to change for MP) like ffdshow use fonction IAMStreamSelect, it would be work :)
Seb.

What's the URL to the beta?

Being able to select the default language will be great.

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

the link http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1384129#post1384129

But not option for now.
Also i have made some test and in MP you can't select sub like Audio, i think but i'm not sure that the sub selection must be coded with IAMStreamSelect.

Maybe not or it's in MP must be code differently lol.

Thx to albain :)

Damien : : i didn't success to made log with TMT even with Reclock :( (all working good in TMT with ATI).

Maybe i can try to log TMT + Xonar, but i must reinstall old version of TMT to try.

Do you think it's possible to add selection of SUB like Selection of Audio (stream switcher) ?.

Big Thx :)
Seb.

[albain]

Hi :)

the link http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1384129#post1384129

But not option for now.
Also i have made some test and in MP you can't select sub like Audio, i think but i'm not sure that the sub selection must be coded with IAMStreamSelect.

Maybe not or it's in MP must be code differently lol.

Thx to albain :)

Damien : : i didn't success to made log with TMT even with Reclock :( (all working good in TMT with ATI).

Maybe i can try to log TMT + Xonar, but i must reinstall old version of TMT to try.

Unfortunately I need ATI logs : TMT + ATI or PowerDVD + ATI (if THD2.0 works with powerDVD)


Do you think it's possible to add selection of SUB like Selection of Audio (stream switcher) ?.

Yes, this is something that I am thinking about since a while. The only problem is that FFDShow audio is really acting as a splitter whereas FFDShow video this is different :
- With MPC splitter we should see all the subtitle streams if I am correct because it produces several output pins
- With Haali's there is only one output pin and the splitting is done inside it (with IAMStreamSelect interface).

So I must study this

EDIT : I am wrong, in both cases embedded subs are not displayed (only one is)

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

Thanks you to study this.

But for now, i think issue about mpegsplitter must be corrected, i'm dreaming that i'm a good DEV :) but i see the code and hard hard for me.
For Mpeg Splitter output pin is like Haali (IAMStreamSelect works, i can see in MP).
For MPC Matroska, Outpin pin is for each stream, (Always in MP, cpp2005 have make a code to select sub not ffdshow but with MPC sub) and for Audio (Stream selection works with FFDshow and maybe audioswitcher (With Graphstudio it's works) but not in MP).

It would be great if Haali can make improvement, normally it work on it :) but when the version is released ? i don't know.

Damien, j'arrive pas a obtenir les mêmes polices, positions des subs etc. avec FFDshow qu'avec MPC sub or Directvobsub :(
I must be wrong on it.

Is it possible to interface dumptool with Reclock ? like Reclock have source and change renderer for TMT, maybe we can dump it ?.
Or it's the famous Unlock PID we have to make.
Thx :)

[SamuriHL]

The problem is ReClock is only doing passthrough on bitstream. So, I'm not sure that's going to help. This kinda blows.

[albain]

Check this out (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3322_20100319_dbt_newlibs_beta8.exe) !

(ffdshow video context menu while playing multiple audio/subtitle streams medias)

[rsd78]

Check this out (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3322_20100319_dbt_newlibs_beta8.exe) !

(ffdshow video context menu while playing multiple audio/subtitle streams medias)

albain, can you explain what you mean? Is this similar to the context menu in Media Control?

[albain]

Yes this is the same menu, but not everybody uses windows media center

The context menu of FFDShow video was buggy : the embedded subtitle streams weren't retrieved correctly

Also there is an audio streams submenu in order to be able to select all the streams in one place

[Sebastiii]

Great menu :)
Thank you :)

[nightfly]

rev3318 works wonderfully for me in my Xonar setup - no dropouts or other issues on THD (ST09, IronMan, BraveOne) seeking or anything. Tested some DTS-HD MA titles and as before, perfect.
:p

[sub24ox7]

nightfly have you tried dolby digital plus? It seems to go in and out for me from mkv container, I havn't tried it from a mt2s though.

[Skinleech]

rev3318 works wonderfully for me in my Xonar setup - no dropouts or other issues on THD (ST09, IronMan, BraveOne) seeking or anything. Tested some DTS-HD MA titles and as before, perfect.
:p

Great, thanks for th info.

Was any progress made on the new Arcsoft Audio renderer from their last patch? Or is it a case of using an old version of the renderer for ffdshow & upgrading TMT3 separately?

I've been away for over 3 weeks so haven't been able to catch up on the whole thread...

[86sixsix]

re: 'helium' sounding audio...

i'm not hdmi... just analogue... but i get the 'helium' high-timbre when playing back 96khz tracks... they invariably get parsed as 48khz. for me, seeking back a bit does not fix the issue as some have reported.

same behaviour with .dtshd files as well as 'movie' containers.

i've only tested with dts hd ma 7.1 96/24... i haven't got any truehd stuff with that high a rate.

using just about everything up to and including: mpc splitters 1752 and ffdshow 3316... same behaviour with both 32 and 64 bit.

also - i can't get dts hd ma at all in a m2ts - i only get the core... evidently a splitter issue as remuxed to mkv same stream works fine.

if anyone's any ideas on how to get 7.1 96khz (16, 24, 32 - i don't care) out using analogue i'll try anything and everything...

EDIT: forgot... this happens using waveout, directsound and mpc renderers... haven't got arcsoft to test with.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I have success to make a little log before it crash with TMT and ATI.

bitstream_TMT_ATI_DTSHR7.1.rar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream_TMT_ATI_DTSHR7.1.rar)
bitstream_TMT_ATI_THD2.0.rar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream_TMT_ATI_THD2.0.rar)
bitstream_TMT_ATI_THD7.1.rar (http://sebinternet.free.fr/bitstream_TMT_ATI_THD7.1.rar)

I hope that it's enough, if we can fix the crash (dumptool) on MPC-HC -> FFDshow + ATI, I can make more log and full with TMT + ATI :).

It crash not at the same time, i think it's a buffer somewhere with ATI because with Xonar there is no crash.

Thanks,
Seb.

[albain]

Thank you Seb for your efforts but the media structures are all identical

I remember that someone (you or SamuriHL) managed to make dumps with the right mediastructures

Maybe this was with powerdvd, I am not sure

[SamuriHL]

I can't do proper dumps, but, when I get home Wednesday I should be able to provide the media structures.

[Sebastiii]

Hi SamuriHL :)

How you get media structures ?
I've made some other log but i didn't know if it's better or not :) lol
Seb.

[The_Iceman]

Hello everyone!

First: Great piece of work here! Albain, samurihl and sebastii and all the other working on this... Following this Therad a Long Time now! Bitstreaming now seems to be a Big step forward after it is now usable with ffdshow!

But I've a big showstopper here...

I'm using the latest ffdshow Build with arcsoft renderer Inside Mediaportal for bitstreaming!
This is working really good, besides the known seeking issue...
But after i've watched a file with hd audio I can't get the "normal" Audio back!
I Need to restart the Player to make it work again... It seems to get Stuck with arcsoft rendere or waveout !

Same Problem occurs also in MPC-HC, After bitstreaming Open up a mp3 or mkv without multichannel Audio and they will not Play!

I'll bet I'm Not the only One with this Problem...
Can someone verify this issue in His xonar too?

Is this a known issue ?

Best regards
Chris

PS: Using Windows 7 x64 and Xonar hdav slim!

[SamuriHL]

Hi SamuriHL :)

How you get media structures ?
I've made some other log but i didn't know if it's better or not :) lol
Seb.

I use graph studio and attach to the graph as it's playing. From there I can see the structures. I can't, however, see content of the streams.

[Sebastiii]

Thanks,

I will try :)

[Sebastiii]

Hi, :)

I have post the request on Slysoft :
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Hi all :)

I post maybe an issue related to Reclock, but i'm not sure lol.
The issue is that i use Bitstream delay on FFDshow Audio Output to according the Video and Audio lipsync that i have in 24p.

If i set the delay (300ms for me, i have try with 1 ms) i don't have anysound output for bitstream Audio (DD, DTS) but i have sound for HD Bitstream sound like TrueHD, DTSMA etc. (if i set 0 ms -> it's ok)

I have setup in Wasapi mode and also in Directsound and waveout and it's the same.

If i disable Reclock Renderer the sound is here, so i think it's maybe an issue with Reclock.

Also when i play the sample DTS or DD, no sound out like i said, reclock detect all like it should, while the sample is play, i can launch foobar in wasapi mode too and i have the sound of my MP3.

So i don't know why,

Cheers,
And thanks for all :)
Seb.
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Albain if you have maybe an idea.

[Qaq]

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=39233
1.8.6.6 - 20/03/2010
........
* Fix: Option "Play media with bitstream audio at original speed" didn't work as expected
* Change: This option is renamed to "Disable media speed correction with bitstream audio (recommended)"

[Sebastiii]

Thanks i will try :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

Can someone confirm me that with this sample, the audio is quite trouble lol ?

Samurai Champloo S01E01-0091.mkv (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Samurai Champloo S01E01-0091.mkv)

It's an AAC audio :)
Thx :).
Seb

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I have again post for new version of reclock : Post about Aduio Delay and Reclock on Slysoft Forum (http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=253222&postcount=25)
So this issue appear when in shown SPDIF output in FFDShow. On all other format (HDMI etc.) it works, so i don't know if it's FFDshow or Reclock (with no reclock it's works).
Alos if i set 0 ms all work and even sample THD 2.0 working too :).

Thx,
Seb.

[jimwhite]

Do any of you think it's conceivable to add in one of Arcsoft's decoder filters AFTER ffdshow to decode the newly-freed bitstream WITHOUT downsampling for the folks who like Analog outs, but are not using a PAP analog card??

:helpful:

Jim White
Treasure Island, FL

[SamuriHL]

That's an interesting question. I don't think it's been tried before. I have no idea what it'd do or if it's even possible.

[rica]

Hi albain, hi guys.

I have good news if i haven't missed any post which reporting this before.

ffdshow+reclock 1.8.6.6 bitstreaming fixed THD skipping/no sound issue.

Thanks James :thanks:

(btw i use 3285)

ReClock offline config:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.6b6fa1cdfe.png (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?6b6fa1cdfe.png)

Leave online config as is. When bitstreaming starts:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.30bd1f8ebd.png (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?30bd1f8ebd.png)


ffdshow output config:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.14e94726e3.png (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?14e94726e3.png)



PS: seb, have a look at to slysoftforums:)

[rica]

Do any of you think it's conceivable to add in one of Arcsoft's decoder filters AFTER ffdshow to decode the newly-freed bitstream WITHOUT downsampling for the folks who like Analog outs, but are not using a PAP analog card??

:helpful:

Jim White
Treasure Island, FL

Hi, do you mean bitstreaming (undocoded) or bitperfect streaming (truly decoded as is)?

_ _ _ _

[SamuriHL]

Hi, do you mean bitstreaming (undocoded) or bitperfect streaming (truly decoded as is)?

_ _ _ _

He means both. :) Bitstreaming into the decoder. :D

[Sebastiii]

Thanks Rica :)

[The_Iceman]

Has anyone managed to get Dolby Digital Plus to bitstream with the xonar?
On my receiver the light goes on and display shows Dolby D+ but I don't hear any sound.

And is there any workaround available to get audio working again (MediaPortal and MPC-HC) after bitstreaming HD formats?

-Chris

[86sixsix]

He means both. :) Bitstreaming into the decoder. :D

I don't think my audigy's or x-fi's are PAP... but 8channel truehd 24b48khz comes out of ffdshow the way it went in here. no 16bit-ness at all.

The only thing us (me and about 10 of my mates, anyway) geriatric soundcard-ed people are having is 96k stuff gets parsed as 48 and sounds all helium-ish.

[SamuriHL]

I don't think my audigy's or x-fi's are PAP... but 8channel truehd 24b48khz comes out of ffdshow the way it went in here. no 16bit-ness at all.

The only thing us (me and about 10 of my mates, anyway) geriatric soundcard-ed people are having is 96k stuff gets parsed as 48 and sounds all helium-ish.

Right, that's because ffdshow can decode TrueHD to non-downsampled LPCM. If you use ReClock with it, you can probably straighten out the 96 stuff. The issue is that with DTS-HD MA, there's no open decoder for it. So what he's trying to do is pass the unmolested bitstream from ffdshow into the ArcSoft DTS-HD MA decoder in hopes that it'll decode it without downsampling it. It's...a theory. :)

[rica]

I don't think my audigy's or x-fi's are PAP... but 8channel truehd 24b48khz comes out of ffdshow the way it went in here. no 16bit-ness at all.

The only thing us (me and about 10 of my mates, anyway) geriatric soundcard-ed people are having is 96k stuff gets parsed as 48 and sounds all helium-ish.

If we are talking about bitperfect streaming (except DTS-HD):
ffdshow > reclock is the recipe.
For more; i think this thread is still contemporary :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15770959#post15770959

[86sixsix]

Right, that's because ffdshow can decode TrueHD to non-downsampled LPCM. If you use ReClock with it, you can probably straighten out the 96 stuff. The issue is that with DTS-HD MA, there's no open decoder for it. So what he's trying to do is pass the unmolested bitstream from ffdshow into the ArcSoft DTS-HD MA decoder in hopes that it'll decode it without downsampling it. It's...a theory. :)

got you. explains my (and my bud's) issues 100%. if we could get hd ma out we'd have a 'cyberlink disc frisbee contest' where everyone'd be a winner!

fyi: current behaviour re attempting to decode bitstream... (superb thinking...btw)

audigy and xfi latest drivers on 7_64_rtm... with bitstreaming selected on a 24bit 96khz dtshdma track we all get 8channel 48khz as input and 8 channel 1520 (not 1536?)KB SPDIF as output but the file never plays. just sits at 0:00 - regardless of what ffdshow's connected to (cyberlink won't connect at all and attempting to connect anything in the windows media foundation resulted in the input pin saying only 2 channels) and we don't even get a pop or crackle if we actually connect our digital out's up (obv. not expecting anything sensible to come out of it).

would also just like to add how much everyone's hard work is appreciated here. stunning work.

[SamuriHL]

There is another way to go about it but it's outside the realm of discussion for this thread. It has been found that if you have TMT3 and you only have a receiver that does analog, for example, an interesting work around can be applied IF you have a bitstream capable card. You could set TMT3 to use the bitstream capable card (xonar, ati 5xxx, etc) with PCM decoding, and then use ReClock to "redirect" that to your analog card for non-downsampled audio. It's nasty, but, it appears to work at the moment. The same kind of logic is what the OP was thinking when he asked about directing the bitstream from ffdshow into the ArcSoft decoder to see if non-downsampled PCM could be had. It's a neat theory but it's one I don't have time to try myself.

[jimwhite]

If I wasn't in the middle of short-selling my home and searching for another to rent, I'd be running Graphstudio and playing, but unfortunately I'm stuck with only a NetBook for now :(

Jim White
Treasure Island, FL

[fishlogan]

There is another way to go about it but it's outside the realm of discussion for this thread. It has been found that if you have TMT3 and you only have a receiver that does analog, for example, an interesting work around can be applied IF you have a bitstream capable card. You could set TMT3 to use the bitstream capable card (xonar, ati 5xxx, etc) with PCM decoding, and then use ReClock to "redirect" that to your analog card for non-downsampled audio. It's nasty, but, it appears to work at the moment. The same kind of logic is what the OP was thinking when he asked about directing the bitstream from ffdshow into the ArcSoft decoder to see if non-downsampled PCM could be had. It's a neat theory but it's one I don't have time to try myself.



hey samuriHL
i assume you have the delux hdav? doing this do you set the xonar panel to the analog output and leave tmt3 to hdmi output but with pcm set?

when i do this is i get no audio through my analog outputs but i do get sound with my hdmi output (i have a denon reciver with hdmi and 7.1 input)

if i set tmt3 to 7.1 i get no audio with truehd and dts hd (all over codecs work fine)

normally i would use the hdmi output but i prefer the sound of the analog

[SamuriHL]

hey samuriHL
i assume you have the delux hdav? doing this do you set the xonar panel to the analog output and leave tmt3 to hdmi output but with pcm set?

when i do this is i get no audio through my analog outputs but i do get sound with my hdmi output (i have a denon reciver with hdmi and 7.1 input)

if i set tmt3 to 7.1 i get no audio with truehd and dts hd (all over codecs work fine)

normally i would use the hdmi output but i prefer the sound of the analog

I don't. I have the regular Xonar HDAV 1.3. And it's sitting here on my desk right next to my laptop. (Doesn't fit. ROFLMAO!) And there's a lot of bugs with TMT3 and analog output I think. So, you may have to wait for a patch.

[fishlogan]

I don't. I have the regular Xonar HDAV 1.3. And it's sitting here on my desk right next to my laptop. (Doesn't fit. ROFLMAO!) And there's a lot of bugs with TMT3 and analog output I think. So, you may have to wait for a patch.

i assume youre using the ati 5xxx card then
analog has had lots of problems, not just with tmt3 but with all other players.
me thinks it might be time for mine to be sitting next to my laptop too

oh and also to all on this forum, great work!
the way its going ill soon not have to worry about tmt3 as well

[Skinleech]

Has anyone managed to get Dolby Digital Plus to bitstream with the xonar?
On my receiver the light goes on and display shows Dolby D+ but I don't hear any sound.

And is there any workaround available to get audio working again (MediaPortal and MPC-HC) after bitstreaming HD formats?

-Chris

No luck with DD+ for me (though granted I've not tried any new builds). Everything I have just freezes on a DD+ track. These are all remuxes to MKV.

I should really try an evo file direct from disk and check for sure.

[SamuriHL]

i assume youre using the ati 5xxx card then
analog has had lots of problems, not just with tmt3 but with all other players.
me thinks it might be time for mine to be sitting next to my laptop too

oh and also to all on this forum, great work!
the way its going ill soon not have to worry about tmt3 as well

The only card I use in that machine now is the 5870, yes. It works perfectly for bitstreaming in every player I have (minus the bugs in TMT3 with DD/DTS on DVD, of course). It works in all my games, as well. I see no reason for any other card. One cable out to the receiver....done.

[SamuriHL]

This may not be the right place to ask, but, I need some help. I've FINALLY gotten back to getting the latest and greatest ffdshow and mpc-hc set up. I want to get ffdshow dxva and subtitle support working, but, I'm not having a lot of luck. Could someone walk me through what needs to be done to get it working? I'd appreciate it. Thanks!!

[rsd78]

This may not be the right place to ask, but, I need some help. I've FINALLY gotten back to getting the latest and greatest ffdshow and mpc-hc set up. I want to get ffdshow dxva and subtitle support working, but, I'm not having a lot of luck. Could someone walk me through what needs to be done to get it working? I'd appreciate it. Thanks!!

SamuriHL, what was the problem in particular?

Pretty much enable ffdshow dxva, check subtitle support, play with some minor settings and it should work.

Albain added some keyboard hooks so that you can control it via keyboard in any player, but personally I use his Media Control App within Media Center to manage the audio/sub switching.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, what I did was disable all the internal MPC-HC stuff. I added ffdshow audio and dxva video to the external filters and made them preferred. When I play a VC1/TrueHD Blu-ray in MPC-HC now, it stutters horribly bad and cpu usage is over 40% (which on my machine...that's bad). So there's no way it's using ffdshow dxva. Something is definitely wrong there. I've tried going about it multiple ways. So, the "enable ffdshow dxva" part of that is not as simple and straightforward as it seems.

[rsd78]

Ok, what I did was disable all the internal MPC-HC stuff. I added ffdshow audio and dxva video to the external filters and made them preferred. When I play a VC1/TrueHD Blu-ray in MPC-HC now, it stutters horribly bad and cpu usage is over 40% (which on my machine...that's bad). So there's no way it's using ffdshow dxva. Something is definitely wrong there. I've tried going about it multiple ways. So, the "enable ffdshow dxva" part of that is not as simple and straightforward as it seems.

Ahh ok didn't realize you were doing it in mpc-hc. I use media center myself as my player, so that's why I glossed over the enable ffdshow dxva part :). Sorry I won't be much help with mpc-hc then.

[SamuriHL]

Right, that's what I'm looking for help on cause I can't seem to get it to work correctly. I'm sure I'm missing something but I'm not sure what. Media Center's fine and all but it doesn't know how to parse mpls files like mpc-hc does, so, on a seamless branched blu-ray you'd be screwed.

[clsid]

Adding ffdshow as a preferred external filter is usually not necessary. Just disabling the internal decoders is enough since ffdshow already has a higher merit than most other external decoders.

To use DXVA in MPC-HC you must select a video renderer that is compatible. On XP that is Overlay or EVR-9. On Vista/7 that is any of the EVR variants.

You can see which filters MPC is using through: Play -> Filters.

[SamuriHL]

Yea, see, that's what I thought, too, and how I set it up. :( I'm using the EVR Custom Pres. renderer. When I look at the filters it shows ffdshow Video Decoder and ffdshow Audio Decoder. And it skips like hell. I'm using 1771 of mpc-hc and ffdshow 3326. Upgrading to 3335 didn't help unfortunately.

EDIT: And why is it only showing the ffdshow video decoder and NOT the dxva video decoder? :( It's simply NOT using it at all.

[rsd78]

Yea, see, that's what I thought, too, and how I set it up. :( I'm using the EVR Custom Pres. renderer. When I look at the filters it shows ffdshow Video Decoder and ffdshow Audio Decoder. And it skips like hell. I'm using 1771 of mpc-hc and ffdshow 3326. Upgrading to 3335 didn't help unfortunately.

EDIT: And why is it only showing the ffdshow video decoder and NOT the dxva video decoder? :( It's simply NOT using it at all.

Isn't the merit of the ffdshow video decoder higher by default than the dxva one?

[SamuriHL]

No, it's the same. So yea, I fixed it. I had indeed taken it out of the external filters list. I put it back and now it's working. Thought I had tried this combination before but apparently not. Hey this is slick! Nice work, albain!! Very impressive.

[albain]

ffdshow DXVA merit = ffdshow software dec merit + 1 and should remain higher

Because FFDshow DXVA has to be loaded first : it will check according to preset settings if it should remain loaded otherwise it will be unloaded and ffdshow software will be loaded instead

[SamuriHL]

It didn't seem to for me. :) Once I set it to prefer all is well. Well, sort of, but, I think the problem I'm having on my 4850 is specific to that particular machine. It has pauses where the video just freezes. It's a pain. I had this problem with other players before and I spent hours configuring the CCC to make it work right. It's not with MPC-HC+ffdshow. It's better with haali, but, still causing me problems there. A new 5xxx video card could be in that machine's future if it doesn't knock it off. :)

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

I have something and i don't know if it's normal lol.

On this sample AAC (Multi-Channel) Samurai Champloo S01E01-0091.mkv (http://sebinternet.free.fr/Samurai Champloo S01E01-0091.mkv), if i play with in Graphstudio and FDDshow Stream switcher enable, all works good, the PIN Out of splitter (here MPC Matroska) goes to Input PIN AUDIO1 and AUDIO2 and i can switch.

But if i choose to encode in AC3 (Output section of FFDshow) the filter connect is not the same and make trouble.

Here screenshot :
Working AC3 Encode unchecked:

http://sebinternet.free.fr/NormalAAC.png

And when AC3 encode enable, i have several case in fonction of soundcard driver -> but the result is that i can't play it start but stop after.

1- Sometimes a filter is connected between the output of splitter and input of ffdshow in Audio1.

Can you help me lol ?
Seb.
Thanks.

[liquidskin76]

Hey Guys,

Is there any news on the Haali + DTS-MA issue, in that the audio plays ok however vid stutters and hangs like crazy?

Is it a Haali or ffdshow issue? Is Albain aware of it?

Cheers!

[rica]

Hey Guys,

Is there any news on the Haali + DTS-MA issue, in that the audio plays ok however vid stutters and hangs like crazy?

Is it a Haali or ffdshow issue? Is Albain aware of it?

Cheers!

It's an Haali issue for sure. No issues with Gabest at all.

[liquidskin76]

It's an Haali issue for sure. No issues with Gabest at all.

Thought so. Cheers

[JoeH]

Try changing the MPC-HC renderer from "EVR Custom Pres." to EVR. I don't bitstream, but with other videos that have that problem it has fixed that problem for me.

[The_Iceman]

A quick info:
For me, the latest FFDSHOW Svn versions showed some big showstoppers:
- After audio track switching bitstreaming didn't work anymore
- Only if the "first" audio track is a HD track bitstreaming works

Switched back to Rev3318 (like nightfly has in his signature) and everything worked again as it should...

Using a Xonar Slim with arcsoft renderer!

[clsid]

Please add an entry to the bugtracker. That way your report won't be forgotten.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=173941&atid=867360

[ashman5]

I have MCP-HC setup to "remember file position" to allow me to stop a movie for watching at a later time without trying to find where I left off.

If I start a movie from the beginning, I have no issues, but if I start a TrueHD movie, then stop...then play a DTS-MA movie, then stop...when I return to the TrueHD movie, I get LPCM. If I restart the movie from the beginning, TrueHD returns as normal.

If I uncheck "remember file position" this issue goes away, but movies are restarted from the beginning each time.

I'm using Win7/MC7 (32bit) with 5450 card and latest x86 files from the Russian site.

[vip]

I can confirm the issue with HD audio track the The_Iceman talked about, except the part of bitstreaming because i dont use it. In my case bug appears when i use software decoding of ThueHD in ffdshow. After switching from AC3 track to TrueHD i have no sound. If the TrueHD track is a first audio track then decoding works.

[STaRGaZeR]

The_Iceman and vip, please test this build to see if your problems with audio switching are gone: http://www.mediafire.com/?lyzbwyiywfq

Test it with software decoding and bitstreaming if possible.

[vip]

Thanks STaRGaZeR, i'll try it this evening. I cant test the bitstreaming because i dont have any hdmi capable hardware, but i'll test software decoding.

[The_Iceman]

@STaRGaZeR: Your posted build works fine with bitstreaming!
I can get proper bitstreaming after channel change!

Thanks!

[Blight]

Bug Report:
Playing Avatar (original decrypted Blu-Ray, not a re-encode, english track), when seeking directly after creating the graph, there's no audio and the property page shows no audio statistics, no issue when playing from beginning.

The graph consists of MPC mpeg source connected to the ffshow audio decoder, connected to the default directsound device.
Switching FFDShow to MPC audio decoder and audio works, no issues.

I suspect this may be an issue with the ffdshow audio decoder.


Albain:
The FFDShow headers got changed after beta 6, something about an OSD message I believe, made the headers incompatible with previous versions of FFDShow.

[STaRGaZeR]

Bug Report:
Playing Avatar (original decrypted Blu-Ray, not a re-encode, english track), when seeking directly after creating the graph, there's no audio and the property page shows no audio statistics, no issue when playing from beginning.

Have you tried with the build in my last post?

[piccirilli]

I'm having issues playing MKV files using MPC-HC along with FFD show Audio codecs. All of my movies are encoded with original HD audio track. When a movie starts playing (DTS Master HD for example), it displays Multi Channel In 7.1 (PCM mode) on my AVR. When I restart the movie by moving the slider control on MPC-HC back to the beginning, it will switch to DTS Master HD. Very strange. I've tried reconfiguring FFD show output, but haven't resolved this issue. I'm wondering if others using MPC are having the same bitstreaming issues and haven't discovered playing with the slider control temporarily corrects itself. I am using the latest FFDshow and MPC-HC 64 bit on Win7. Any suggestions on fixing this?

[vip]

Thanks, STaRGaZeR. Your build fixed a TrueHD decoding after audio track switch. Meanwhile the same ffdshow version donwloaded from xvidvideo.ru had that "switch" bug.

[DigitalDeviant]

The_Iceman and vip, please test this build to see if your problems with audio switching are gone: http://www.mediafire.com/?lyzbwyiywfq

Test it with software decoding and bitstreaming if possible.

This build also fixed a massive synch problem when seeking. Please, someone commit this!

[liquidskin76]

Hi Albain,

Here's the comparison logs as requested...

Xonar / mpc matroska splitter / ffdshow / dts-ma bitstreaming
...http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=iZvnu0iJ

Xonar / haali / ffdshow / dts-ma bitstreaming
...http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=3vrWg6p7

The haali combination results in broken audio and slow/broken video.

Tested on the haali builds of 27/03/2010 and 19/12/2009. Funny as i could have sworn it worked at some point during the beta testing of ffdshow hd audio bitstreaming?

I've also pm'd you.

Thanks!

[STaRGaZeR]

Here's the patch and a ICL11 build of the last revision with it applied:

Patch: http://www.mediafire.com/?jtjnfgendgm
Build: http://www.mediafire.com/?4u2ygtjxjnj

Have you found any problems with audio switching with this patch? Or only improvements compared to trunk?

[albain]

Hey Guys,

Is there any news on the Haali + DTS-MA issue, in that the audio plays ok however vid stutters and hangs like crazy?

Is it a Haali or ffdshow issue? Is Albain aware of it?

Cheers!

I answered you by PM but here is the final answer so that everyone is aware of that problem : I don't think the problem comes from Haali or FFDshow.
It happens if you have a xonar.

I suspect the audio renderer to blacklist the upstream filter (haali) : when haali is used, ffdshow bitstream filter receives a decoding error from the audio renderer. When MPC splitter is used, it works fine though.

Maybe you should try to use earlier versions of arcsoft (and haali too) to confirm this

[Casshern]

A quick info:
For me, the latest FFDSHOW Svn versions showed some big showstoppers:
- After audio track switching bitstreaming didn't work anymore
- Only if the "first" audio track is a HD track bitstreaming works

Switched back to Rev3318 (like nightfly has in his signature) and everything worked again as it should...

Using a Xonar Slim with arcsoft renderer!

Try to disable/enable the option "connect as pcm first" in the output tab of ffdshow.

[SamuriHL]

I answered you by PM but here is the final answer so that everyone is aware of that problem : I don't think the problem comes from Haali or FFDshow.
It happens if you have a xonar.

I suspect the audio renderer to blacklist the upstream filter (haali) : when haali is used, ffdshow bitstream filter receives a decoding error from the audio renderer. When MPC splitter is used, it works fine though.

Maybe you should try to use earlier versions of arcsoft (and haali too) to confirm this

Wow. That really blows.

[Sebastiii]

The_Iceman and vip, please test this build to see if your problems with audio switching are gone: http://www.mediafire.com/?lyzbwyiywfq

Test it with software decoding and bitstreaming if possible.

Hi can you post the .patch file for audio switching, i think it solve an issue in Mediaportal too.

When i change audio stream in Bitstream DTS, i can switch 1 to 2 but if i go again in 1, the movie stop.

I'm thinking that it was a PB within MP but with your last release :
ffdshow_rev3390_20100430_msvc2008.exe it's seems that it solve this issue :)

Thx.
Seb.

Edit : : i'm an idiot man lol, i just see that you have put a few thread ago :)

[STaRGaZeR]

You have it right there :D

[Sebastiii]

STaRGaZeR, thanks, it solve issue :)

[Xin-Hong]

Hello,

Just some little questions : I want to play some 5.1 HD audio tracks on my 2.1 system (Logitech Z-2300, one jack goes to speakers+sub).
Which settings are good : 2/0/0 Stereo or 2/0/0 Stereo + LFE ?
Does the Dolby Surround/ProLogic and Dolby ProLogic II simulate the surround speakers on a 2.1 system ?

Thanks :)

[mark0077]

Playing an m2ts with true-hd in it, using ffdshow audio decoder 3397, when I seek, audio either completely stops, or audio plays at like 10000% as if its trying to catch up to where I seeked to.

Without ffdshow this doesn't occur. Any thing I can post here to help or is this a known problem.

[STaRGaZeR]

Try this build: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1395813#post1395813

[st0niMah0ni]

I have a Question for the Xonar users.

Does anybody have a solution for mkv files with 2 audios in it?
If I disable the audioswitcher in mpc-hc it plays both audios at the same time.

If I enable the audio switcher it breaks the bitstream, because its not using arcsoft render.

thx and greetz

[mark0077]

Try this build: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1395813#post1395813

I can seek with this version you posted without issues :D

[dbone1026]

Try this build: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1395813#post1395813

Is this fix now part of the latest svn builds on sourceforge?

[STaRGaZeR]

Yes, starting with build 3409.

[liquidskin76]

I answered you by PM but here is the final answer so that everyone is aware of that problem : I don't think the problem comes from Haali or FFDshow.
It happens if you have a xonar.

I suspect the audio renderer to blacklist the upstream filter (haali) : when haali is used, ffdshow bitstream filter receives a decoding error from the audio renderer. When MPC splitter is used, it works fine though.

Maybe you should try to use earlier versions of arcsoft (and haali too) to confirm this

Is anyone else seeing this on either a Xonar or ATi 5xxx (really bad video lag when bistreaming DTS-MA using Haali / ffdshow) as i'm also seeing it on my ATI 5450, via default directsound renderer?

I've tested with the 27/03/2010 and 19/12/2009 builds of Haali.

I'm going to test with CoreAVC in case it's a MPCVideoDec or ffdshow video decoding issue.

@Albain,

I've pm'd you with a log.

Thanks!

[liquidskin76]

I'm going to test with CoreAVC in case it's a MPCVideoDec or ffdshow video decoding issue.


Nope, get the same with CoreAVC!

So i've tried the Xonar, the ATI 5450, an Ion board, a Core2 board, fresh builds, previous versions of both Haali and ffdshow, however i always the get the same video/audio lag with Haali / DTS-MA bitstream combo.

I'm sure Haali has works before with DTS-MA bitstreaming in the past, however i'm starting to think maybe not?!

Been testing from mkv so gonna have a go with m2ts.

[liquidskin76]

Nope, get the same with CoreAVC!

So i've tried the Xonar, the ATI 5450, an Ion board, a Core2 board, fresh builds, previous versions of both Haali and ffdshow, however i always the get the same video/audio lag with Haali / DTS-MA bitstream combo.

I'm sure Haali has works before with DTS-MA bitstreaming in the past, however i'm starting to think maybe not?!

Been testing from mkv so gonna have a go with m2ts.

Couldn't get any audio with haali / m2ts.

[liquidskin76]

Can a ATI 5xxx user confirm if they can successfully bitstream DTS-HD MA when using Haali/mkv combo?

Thanks!

[SamuriHL]

I'll have to get the latest ffdshow/mpc-hc. I'm nowhere near up to date. I just got back from vacation so I can't promise I'll get to it today but I'll see what I can do.

[liquidskin76]

I'll have to get the latest ffdshow/mpc-hc. I'm nowhere near up to date. I just got back from vacation so I can't promise I'll get to it today but I'll see what I can do.

Cheers!

[SamuriHL]

Ok, testing Haali with 64 bit MPC-HC and ffdshow, bitstreaming does indeed break pretty nastily. I did not try in 32 bit land as I no longer want to play there. :) In any case, removing haali restored bitstreaming and I had no problems at that point. What you should do is set up ffdshow to give you a debug log and post the log so we can see what's happening. I got bitstreamed audio from DTS-HD MA from an MKV, but, the video didn't start playing til 10 seconds into it and when it did the audio started breaking up. TrueHD just simply never bitstreamed at all with haali. If absolutely necessary I can throw 32 bit stuff back on and try with that but from what I understand I think it's going to have the same end result. I don't have time right now to do debug logs though.

[liquidskin76]

I've already pm'd Albain with logs for both Xonar and ATI 5450.

Cheers for testing... was starting to think i was going nuts and thinking it was only me!

[SamuriHL]

No, it doesn't seem to be just you. I had some other testing I needed to get done today, so, I added yours to the list. :) None of my testing is giving me the results I'm looking for. :( I'm actually quite displeased right now tbh. This situation was the least of my issues today. However, yes, it should get fixed if possible. :)

[liquidskin76]

I got bitstreamed audio from DTS-HD MA from an MKV, but, the video didn't start playing til 10 seconds into it and when it did the audio started breaking up.

Exactly what i see with Haali. TrueHD and other formats bitstream ok.

[SamuriHL]

Exactly what i see with Haali. TrueHD and other formats bitstream ok.

TrueHD didn't seem to want to play nice for me but I only tried one m2ts file. Unless there's a reason I'm not going to try again. :)

[Skinleech]

Has anyone had success bitstreaming on the Xonar with the latest builds of TMT3, and therefore the new Arcsoft audio renderer? Or more to the point, bitstreaming with the .160 version of the renderer, in a different forlder from the one that TMT3 is installed to?

As I posted several pages back, any patch after 161 to TMT3 chnages the renderer drastically, and breaks bitstreaming. I got sick of the Update/cancel dialogue in 160, so updated to 161 as I don't need mkv suport. That totally broke TMT3 so I ended up installing the latest patch (175?).

I'd already backed up a copy of the audio renderer from .160 but no matter what I do, I can't get bitstreaming to work unless the file resides in my installed TMT3 path.

At the moment, I've resorted to setting up 2 batch files that overwrite the audio renderer in the TMT3 folder - one with .160 for MPC to bitstream, and one with the .175 to allow TMT to work - this is less than ideal of course.

[liquidskin76]

I had problems getting bitstreaming to work on my xonar slim with my existing copy of tmt3, and all patches. I could only get it working with the version on the Asus site, v.141 i believe.

Are you on a slim or full height card?

[rsd78]

Although I'm not trying exactly to bitstream HD audio I thought this would be the appropriate thread to ask the question.

I have a mkv with a dts-ma audio track, however I'm using spdif for audio. Do all DTS-MA tracks have a DTS core or can ffdshow at least play that type of track back via DTS over spdif? When I tried this sample, I got the DTS light to show up but no sound. I tried the same track on another pc but it's only outputting stereo sound and it got audio.

I'm trying to understand if this is a hardware issue on my end, a configuration issue or simply a technical limitation.

Thanks!

[liquidskin76]

Although I'm not trying exactly to bitstream HD audio I thought this would be the appropriate thread to ask the question.

I have a mkv with a dts-ma audio track, however I'm using spdif for audio. Do all DTS-MA tracks have a DTS core or can ffdshow at least play that type of track back via DTS over spdif? When I tried this sample, I got the DTS light to show up but no sound. I tried the same track on another pc but it's only outputting stereo sound and it got audio.

I'm trying to understand if this is a hardware issue on my end, a configuration issue or simply a technical limitation.

Thanks!

You should be getting the dts core bitstreamed. I've had issues bitstreaming the core dts using ffdshow on a geforce 9300 hdmi, where i didn't get any audio and my avr reported dts 1.0.

I reported it a while back with logs however i don't think Albain had chance to look at it.

I'll try again over the weekend and post fresh logs.

Cheers

[rsd78]

You should be getting the dts core bitstreamed. I've had issues bitstreaming the core dts using ffdshow on a geforce 9300 hdmi, where i didn't get any audio and my avr reported dts 1.0.

I reported it a while back with logs however i don't think Albain had chance to look at it.

I'll try again over the weekend and post fresh logs.

Cheers

Well just to confirm it isn't the file, I played it in TMT3 and it played the DTS core fine.

So something with ffdshow I guess?

[liquidskin76]

Well just to confirm it isn't the file, I played it in TMT3 and it played the DTS core fine.

So something with ffdshow I guess?

That's right.

I'll post new logs for core dts over the weekend if someone doesn't beat me to it.

@Albain,

Would you like me to post the log on the main ffdshow thread instead, so the other devs can look at?

I know you're busy! Plus there's the haali/dts-hd ma problem awaiting your brain power!!

Thanks

[Skinleech]

I had problems getting bitstreaming to work on my xonar slim with my existing copy of tmt3, and all patches. I could only get it working with the version on the Asus site, v.141 i believe.

Are you on a slim or full height card?

It's a slim I'm using.

It's just odd that the Arcsoft audio renderer only works when it's in the folder that I installed TMT3 to. If I try to register a copy of the renderer in a different folder I get no audio.

I can understand the renderer itself not working after 161 as it drastically changed to allow ATI bitsreaming, but I can't see why a copy of a working renderer won't work if it's in another folder.

[liquidskin76]

It's a slim I'm using.

It's just odd that the Arcsoft audio renderer only works when it's in the folder that I installed TMT3 to. If I try to register a copy of the renderer in a different folder I get no audio.

I can understand the renderer itself not working after 161 as it drastically changed to allow ATI bitsreaming, but I can't see why a copy of a working renderer won't work if it's in another folder.

Maybe it's got associated .dll's that it needs, as the file itself is a .dll, not the usual .ax extension?

[Skinleech]

Maybe it's got associated .dll's that it needs, as the file itself is a .dll, not the usual .ax extension?

Now that's a fair point, and something I didn't think of.

Maybe I'll try taking a copy of the entire codec folder and see if I can whittle it down.

Cheers for the idea.

[nightfly]

Use the "depends.exe" to track down external dependencies for a given file dll (ax).

[Skinleech]

Maybe it's got associated .dll's that it needs, as the file itself is a .dll, not the usual .ax extension?

Yeah, you're totally right - took a copy of the codec with my 161 renderer and it works fine. Moved the original 175 renderer back to the TMT folder and it works fine.

Thanks

Use the "depends.exe" to track down external dependencies for a given file dll (ax).

Still need to work on this, it gives me an error when I run it. For 40mb to have a copy of the codec folder it's no big deal.

Good advice though, so thanks for the help.

[Skinleech]

What's the deal with ATI bitstreaming these days?

I've just ordered a 5450 card for a secondary machine, that has no need for bitstreaming, and never really will, but before I install it, I was thinking I'd try it in my HTPC to see how it compares to my on-board GF8300 (mostly with regards to refresh rate settings).

I'm a Xonar user currently, so how many settings will need to change in order to try out the ATI card? Just trying to work out if it'll be a total pain to test it when I'm only concered with video performance at present. It it works out, I'll look at getting something a little higher specced like a 57xx.

Cheers.

[zummi]

For bitstreaming (DTS-HD + TrueHD) via HDMI i use:

Catalyst 10.4 (latest)
Realtek HDMI audio drivers (latest)
MPC-HC MKV-splitter (MatroskaSplitter.ax)
MPC-HC Audio Renderer (MPCAudioRendererFilter.ax)
FFDshow x64 (latest)

I'm running Windows 7 media center with WMP for .MKV playback and TMT3 for blu-ray ISOs. No audio or video issues at all (ATI 5450 HDMI -> Yamaha RX-V456 -> 47" Philips 47PFL7404 @ 1920x1080@24hz)

By the way, anything higher than Radeon HD5450 will just be a waste of money if you're only using your HTPC for..well...HTPC-tasks.

[liquidskin76]

And for ATI 5xxx bitstreaming, don't forget an EDID Override.

[nevcairiel]

With Catalyst 10.4, the EDID Override is not necessarily needed anymore. It can still improve your expierence in some cases, but AMD/ATI fixed the issue that absolutely required the EDID override.

A note on the 5450.. It is powerful enough to decode up to 1080p at L5.1. However, to achieve this you might have to turn off some of the post-processing tasks. If you use the Enforce Smooth Video Playback options, it'll automatically turn those off. This includes the rather good vector adaptive deinterlacer, which imho, does a terrific job.

The lowest card that can run all post-processing while decoding is the 5670, at least according to the specifications coded into the Catalyst drivers.

[Skinleech]

Thanks guys.

I had forgotten about the EDID override, so that's useful.

With regarsd to the 5450 vs a higher specced card, useful info again. The one I've bought will be used for ver occaisional playback @60hz on a machine that is mostly used for TV storage. Performance is not much of an issue for that.

If I like how it works though, an ATI card might need to be purchased for the HTPC, and I would go for something beefier, as I would use the oppotunity to use something that gives me the required oomph to use Madvr as my renderer, which my 8300 chipset can't handle.

[Richardw322]

Everyone recomends the 5670 for full processing, wouldn't the 5570 work as well? Is it just a driver limitation?

[hoborg]

With Catalyst 10.4, the EDID Override is not necessarily needed anymore. It can still improve your expierence in some cases, but AMD/ATI fixed the issue that absolutely required the EDID override.

A note on the 5450.. It is powerful enough to decode up to 1080p at L5.1. However, to achieve this you might have to turn off some of the post-processing tasks. If you use the Enforce Smooth Video Playback options, it'll automatically turn those off. This includes the rather good vector adaptive deinterlacer, which imho, does a terrific job.

The lowest card that can run all post-processing while decoding is the 5670, at least according to the specifications coded into the Catalyst drivers.

Do you have any proof of that?

[nevcairiel]

Anandtech reviewed both the 5450 and the 5570, and came to the conclusion that both cards disable at least the Vector Adaptive Deinterlacer, if not even more post-processing. I believe they even confirmed their findings with AMD directly.

Remember that this is just a recommendation in the driver. You can turn off Enforced Smoth Video Playback, and it may still work perfectly. However AMD believes that the power of those cards is not enough to handle it in every case.

5450: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2931/4 (there was a bug in the CCC at the time of testing, its mentioned again in the 5570 article)
5570: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2935/3

[hoborg]

@nevcairiel:

That is exactly what i was thinking. Anandtech was testing 5450 on beta drivers and you are right, there was an bug it this beta drivers. Too bad they didnt correct thier article :(

I have 5450 in my HTPC and 5770 in my working PC - both are working without any isue including vector adaptive deinterlacing (i using it for LiveTV).

[nevcairiel]

The bug actually was that with ESVP enabled, it didn't show all features as disabled, that it actually did disable. But like i said, those are recommendations by AMD, you can turn ESVP off, and all the post-processing may work perfectly. They just don't guarantee it on those cards. ESVP is basically just an option that makes sure, that the card can provide smooth and flawless playback of any material, so it turns post-processing off on the lower models.

I rarely use interlaced material myself, so i'm still considering getting a 5450, just because its a passive card.

[Richardw322]

I read both those articles, that's why I ask. Anandtech seemed to think AMD was being too conservative.

Anandtech reviewed both the 5450 and the 5570, and came to the conclusion that both cards disable at least the Vector Adaptive Deinterlacer, if not even more post-processing. I believe they even confirmed their findings with AMD directly.

Remember that this is just a recommendation in the driver. You can turn off Enforced Smoth Video Playback, and it may still work perfectly. However AMD believes that the power of those cards is not enough to handle it in every case.

5450: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2931/4 (there was a bug in the CCC at the time of testing, its mentioned again in the 5570 article)
5570: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2935/3

[nevcairiel]

I just saw this quote in the article that kept me thinking a bit. They tested it with the 5450, and it seemed to work fine, however, apparently not for everyone. It was mostly just a fact that i wanted to get out here. If you watch alot of interlaced material (especially sports from 1080i broadcasts), its something you might have to consider.

In our testing we didn’t notice any obvious playback issues with the 5450 or 5570 when we had ESVP disabled, but we’ve seen enough forum posts of this feature magically fixing poor video playback performance that we’re not confident enough to recommend disabling this feature. It’s something we think should be left enabled, at least for the time being.

I'll probably still get a 5450 (or a passive 5570 if i can find one). I mostly watch BluRays and proper HDTV in 1080p, not interlaced. The only interlaced material i currently have are some old tv series on dvd, but i'm sure it can handle that just fine :D

PS:
I actually found a 5670 thats passively cooled. The PowerColor Radeon HD 5670 Go! Green, anyone have any experience with either PowerColor, or this brand of cards specifically?

[fps]

I've read the whole thread now (took some time ;)) and it seems there is still no other way to handle audio dropouts while bitsreaming in software mode, other than disabling powerplay/setting the clocks manually for the 5xxx, right?

@albain: Could you please update your first post and fill in this post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361670#post1361670 where it is described how to get rid of those audio dropouts, thanks!

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

@fps : For audio dropouts, we must (again) make a ticket @ AMD support Drivers to hope that they solve this issue with PowerPlay !

Link to the Post that Albain give us the link of AMD Support (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1369484#post1369484)

We have to re open a ticket :) to make pressure on AMD.

Thanks,
Seb.

[fps]

Hi,

@fps : For audio dropouts, we must (again) make a ticket @ AMD support Drivers to hope that they solve this issue with PowerPlay !

Link to the Post that Albain give us the link of AMD Support (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1369484#post1369484)

We have to re open a ticket :) to make pressure on AMD.

Thanks,
Seb.

I'll definitely open a ticket with AMD once I get a new Radeon, which will be soon hopefully :).

[Casshern]

I noticed a bug with jitter correction. If disabled ffdshow hangs on a lot dtsma tracks, only a couple of seeks gets it back to play the track (or in my case to extract the normal DTS core). If jitter correction is enabled, there are no such problems. This should not happen, it should work with the untampered timestamps.

[liquidskin76]

I noticed a bug with jitter correction. If disabled ffdshow hangs on a lot dtsma tracks, only a couple of seeks gets it back to play the track (or in my case to extract the normal DTS core). If jitter correction is enabled, there are no such problems. This should not happen, it should work with the untampered timestamps.

What splitter are you using? Haali or MPC Matroska?

Cheers

[rsd78]

Albain,

Any chance you could link to the issue of playing the DTS core of a DTS-MA track, I mentioned here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1401773#post1401773

Thanks!

[Casshern]

What splitter are you using? Haali or MPC Matroska?

Cheers

I am using the inbuild mpc m2ts splitter. The newest version of haali doesn't recognize many dts ma tracks ....

The bug is totally reproducable...something is weird in regard to ffdshows audio timestamp management. Jitter correction should have no influence on ffdshow playing a m2ts track.. (it should just reduce jitter)... but somehow without jitter correction, playback of dts cores does not work at all on some tracks.

[KLP]

I've got a Sapphire Vapor-X 5770 in my HTPC and have been suffering audio dropouts during movie playback (mostly mkv's playing in 7MC, using MPC's standalone splitter and ffdshow tryouts). I had very little hair left to tear out when I found this thread and discovered this is known issue; I'd already uninstalled and reinstalled, gone from x64 to x32 OS, tweaked filters, tried DIVX.... nothing worked.

Having read this thread, I currently have stable playback of most of my movies by getting the ffdshow DXVA video renderer to kick in (THANK YOU). But that doesn't work for stuff like iPlayer (in 'TunerFree MCE').

Unfortunately you guys are way ahead of me in technical understanding. The tweaks needed to disable PowerPlay are a bit beyond me. I have created a 'No Powerplay' profile in CCC 10.5 and the XML for it (from the '..<user>\Appdata\ATI\ACE\Profiles\' folder is below, but I have no idea what values to use... any chance someone could help me here? (I am not gaming on this box, so only need movie/video playback)

I have opened a ticket with AMD too.

Thanks.


- <Profile>
- <Caste name="Graphics">
- <Groups>
- <Group name="Overdrive5">
<Feature name="TimeUnlocked" />
- <Feature name="OverclockEnabled">
<Property name="OverclockEnabledProperty" value="True" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="AutoTuneSupport" />
- <Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="15700" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="60000" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="86000" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="MemoryClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="30000" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="120000" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="120000" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="CoreVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="950" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="1000" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="1125" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="MemoryVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="0" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="0" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="0" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedProtocol_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedProtocolProperty" value="Percent" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Automatic" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="0" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="50" />
</Feature>
</Group>
</Groups>
- <Adapter name="PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS_E147174B&REV_00_4&2FAE9228&0&0008A">
<Aspect name="Overdrive5" />
</Adapter>
</Caste>
</Profile>

[mremulator]

Hello to all... first post here, been waiting 5 days to post about this.

I'm also having problems with DTS, DTS-MA & DTS-MA (core only) with ffdshow (latest) Haali/Gabtest (latest).

Basically, I have 2 rigs... main rig = i7 920, Nvidia GTX280 (x3) & Sound Blaster PCI-E Titanium. HTPC = I3 530 & ATI HD5570.

Anyway, no matter what I do on my Nvidia rig (optical out to Denon AVR-1909 receiver) it will not play nice with DTS-MA (core only). The DTS light is on but I get no channels lit up/no sound, even with DTS HD unchecked in ffdshow. I also get drop-outs with a regular DTS track.

It seems that ffdshow and Haali/Gabtest seem not to be passing DTS MA (core only) from a MA track properly to the receiver via S/PDIF or HDMI??

However, I can get the full DTS MA track working on my Radeon 5570 rig (HDMI out to Pioneer LX60 receiver), but not core only (DTS HD unchecked in ffdshow). The DTS light goes bonkers on my Pioneer receiver and the audio cuts in and out rapidly. I also get drop-outs with a regular DTS track too on this machine.

As my Nvidia rig only has a standard soundcard (no HD audio) I can't watch an MKV with a DTS HD MA track (core only). As mentioned above, DTS also plays up on both rigs.

What is up with ffdshow/MKV splitters at the moment? :confused:

Thanks

[rica]

Hello to all... first post here, been waiting 5 days to post about this.

I'm also having problems with DTS, DTS-MA & DTS-MA (core only) with ffdshow (latest) Haali/Gabtest (latest).

Basically, I have 2 rigs... main rig = i7 920, Nvidia GTX280 (x3) & Sound Blaster PCI-E Titanium. HTPC = I3 530 & ATI HD5570.

Anyway, no matter what I do on my Nvidia rig (optical out to Denon AVR-1909 receiver) it will not play nice with DTS-MA (core only). The DTS light is on but I get no channels lit up/no sound, even with DTS HD unchecked in ffdshow. I also get drop-outs with a regular DTS track.

It seems that ffdshow and Haali/Gabtest seem not to be passing DTS MA (core only) from a MA track properly to the receiver via S/PDIF or HDMI??

However, I can get the full DTS MA track working on my Radeon 5570 rig (HDMI out to Pioneer LX60 receiver), but not core only (DTS HD unchecked in ffdshow). The DTS light goes bonkers on my Pioneer receiver and the audio cuts in and out rapidly. I also get drop-outs with a regular DTS track too on this machine.

As my Nvidia rig only has a standard soundcard (no HD audio) I can't watch an MKV with a DTS HD MA track (core only). As mentioned above, DTS also plays up on both rigs.

What is up with ffdshow/MKV splitters at the moment? :confused:

Thanks

DTSHD-MA: forget Haali first, you should use Gabest Matroska Source or new Solveig Matroska Splitter. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1406460#post1406460)

And it's not clear for me what you are using exactly?

1) main rig = i7 920, Nvidia GTX280 (x3) & Sound Blaster PCI-E Titanium with a Denon 1909
2) secondary rig= I3 530 & ATI HD5570 with a Pio? Correct?
We can't understand where you get the audio? over Clarkdale or external VGAs?
Do you use combo or not?
Do you use Edid override or not?

Pls have a look at this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1370134#post1370134

And here you'll find here how to setup a combo: (I get video over my nVidia card while i get audio over my Clarkdale.)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18348835#post18348835

[mremulator]

DTSHD-MA: forget Haali first, you should use Gabest Matroska Source or new Solveig Matroska Splitter. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1406460#post1406460)

And it's not clear for me what you are using exactly?

1) main rig = i7 920, Nvidia GTX280 (x3) & Sound Blaster PCI-E Titanium with a Denon 1909
2) secondary rig= I3 530 & ATI HD5570 with a Pio? Correct?
We can't understand where you get the audio? over Clarkdale or external VGAs?
Do you use combo or not?
Do you use Edid override or not?

Pls have a look at this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1370134#post1370134

And here you'll find here how to setup a combo: (I get video over my nVidia card while i get audio over my Clarkdale.)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18348835#post18348835

Hi,

Yes... on my HTPC (I3 530 / HD 5770) I'm using the Radeon's HDMI output (audio & video) to my Pioneer LX60 receiver (no override required). The Intel GPU is disabled and I have no intention of using it as it's not powerful enough (using shaders etc). Basically, all DTS audio tracks (unless using MPC HC + internal filters) suffer from drop-outs, despite having registered the standalone filters for WMP/WMC7 and disabling Media Foundation etc. I do not want to use MPC HC at the moment as there are problems with lip sync when I go from a window to a full screen (or vice-versa) or pause/un-pause. I've tried EVR, EVR Custom Pres. & EVR Sync... all do exactly the same. Also it does not integrate that well with Media Browser IMHO.

On my main rig (Nvidia GTX 280 Tri-SLI / Sound Blaster via optical out) I can't get DTS (core) from any DTS MA track. The DTS lamp is lit on my AVR-1909. However, only one channel lamp flickers and I get no audio. Again, no override is required as I'm using S/PDIF and not trying to bitstream HD audio.

[rica]

Hi,
On my main rig (Nvidia GTX 280 Tri-SLI / Sound Blaster via optical out) I can't get DTS (core) from any DTS MA track. The DTS lamp is lit on my AVR-1909. However, only one channel lamp flickers and I get no audio. Again, no override is required as I'm using S/PDIF and not trying to bitstream HD audio.

Here are the test files:



THD.m2ts:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jzmijuzgdq4

DTSHD.m2ts:
http://www.mediafire.com/?odmgz2ymd1j


Pls give it a go with this way:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1406725#post1406725

You will get core ac3 or just dts core with that setup.
Or if you re-tick THD or DTSHD boxes, you will get blue light back as well :)

BTW i'd suggest you to use combo systems if you have Giga mobos. Video over your VGA and audio over your Clarkdale.

[mremulator]

Is the SolveigNM splitter 32 & 64 bit?

[mremulator]

Here are the test files:



Pls give it a go with this way:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1406725#post1406725

You will get core ac3 or just dts core with that setup.
Or if you re-tick THD or DTSHD boxes, you will get blue light back as well :)

BTW i'd suggest you to use combo systems if you have Giga mobos. Video over your VGA and audio over your Clarkdale.

OK... both your test files (m2ts) work fine. However, I still can't get DTS (core only) from an MKV with a DTS HD MA tracK (Tried Legion & Avatar)? The DTS light is lit on my AVR-1909, however, the channel lights flicker and I get no audio.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6474/graphn.jpg

Would like to try this om my HTPC (Radeon), but I need a 64-bit build of the SolveigNM Matroska filter to test.

[rsd78]

OK... both your test files (m2ts) work fine. However, I still can't get DTS (core only) from an MKV with a DTS HD MA tracK (Tried Legion & Avatar)? The DTS light is lit on my AVR-1909, however, the channel lights flicker and I get no audio.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6474/graphn.jpg

Would like to try this om my HTPC (Radeon), but I need a 64-bit build of the SolveigNM Matroska filter to test.

I think there is a bug with ffdshow, as (over spdif) I had the same issue of getting no audio (but DTS light on) when playing back a DTS-HD MA track.

[rica]

OK... both your test files (m2ts) work fine. However, I still can't get DTS (core only) from an MKV with a DTS HD MA tracK (Tried Legion & Avatar)? The DTS light is lit on my AVR-1909, however, the channel lights flicker and I get no audio.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6474/graphn.jpg

Would like to try this om my HTPC (Radeon), but I need a 64-bit build of the SolveigNM Matroska filter to test.

You don't need a 64 bit splitter at all. I'm using it on my 7/64.

On the other hand i'm uploading my output dts-hd mkv and please give it a go.

EDIT:

And here you are, pls give it a try with both HDMI and SPDIF:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ntai3mljzoz

And use EVR.
_ _ _ _

[mremulator]

You don't need a 64 bit splitter at all. I'm using it on my 7/64.

On the other hand i'm uploading my output dts-hd mkv and please give it a go.

EDIT:

And here you are, pls give it a try with both HDMI and SPDIF:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ntai3mljzoz

And use EVR.
_ _ _ _

Thanks Rica.

However, my goal is to get everything working properly in Windows Media Center 7. Therefore, I need to register the SolveigNM filter for 64-bit. I was under the impression that this was a 32-bit filter only at the moment? Also EVR is the default video renderer in WMC7/WMP no?

I also tried your dts-hd MKV... it worked fine through S/PDIF (have not tried other PC yet). But none of my MKV's with DTS-HD MA work (core only)? Actually, when I say "it worked fine"... it worked in MPC HC, however, not when I set up everything in GraphStudio as you recommended. The only difference between the two is MPC HC was using EVR Custom Pres. and I set up GraphStudio to use EVR as the renderer.

One thing I noticed though is that I can't verify your clip in MediaInfo. I get no info like I do with my files? Are you sure it's master audio?

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6413/mediainfo.jpg

[rica]

Thanks Rica.

I also tried your dts-hd MKV... it worked fine through S/PDIF (have not tried other PC yet). But none of my MKV's with DTS-HD MA work (core only)? Actually, when I say "it worked fine"... it worked in MPC HC, however, not when I set up everything in GraphStudio as you recommended. The only difference between the two is MPC HC was using EVR Custom Pres. and I set up GraphStudio to use EVR as the renderer.

One thing I noticed though is that I can't verify your clip in MediaInfo. I get no info like I do with my files? Are you sure it's master audio?


Yes mediainfo doesn't recognize muxed files by Solveig for the time being.

But i may recognize very well that i can get thd only or ac3 core only from a THD.mkv and i can get dtshd only or dts core only from a DTSHD.mkv:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1406725#post1406725


I also tried your dts-hd MKV... it worked fine through S/PDIF (have not tried other PC yet). But none of my MKV's with DTS-HD MA work (core only)?

Yes that is not surprising :)

BTW it doesn't matter what renderer your application uses: EVR or EVR Custom.

[rica]

Here is the second file for testers;

THD+ac3 mkv:

http://www.mediafire.com/?u40mjmdynyn

[mremulator]

Yes that is not surprising :)



Why? Is it the way they have been encoded? Like I said... still does not work in GraphStudio, only MPC HC.


*Edit* Dmitry Vergheles said they will compile a 64-bit version... cool.

rica... why does MY mkv splitter of choice (Haali/Gabtest/SolveigMM) not show in GraphStudio when I "render media file"?
However, filter is registered and working properly (confirmed by codec tweak tool).

[rica]

rica... why does MY mkv splitter of choice (Haali/Gabtest/SolveigMM) not show in GraphStudio when I "render media file"?
However, filter is registered and working properly (confirmed by codec tweak tool).

I have no idea; but it may help:

http://alax.info/blog/1111

Or try to add filters manually.

[SamuriHL]

Hey guys. Has anyone tried the new version of Haali from 5/20 with ffdshow and bitstreaming? I installed it to test out some subtitle stuff and much to my absolute amazement, it seems to be working! DTS-HD MA and TrueHD are both bitstreaming in an MKV container. I haven't tried from disc yet so will do that now, but, I could have sworn DTS-HD MA was broken before. If I no longer have any problems I'm going to be super psyched now cause Haali solves my subtitle splitting issue perfectly. I'm now a true believer in MKV's. :)

[dbone1026]

Hey guys. Has anyone tried the new version of Haali from 5/20 with ffdshow and bitstreaming? I installed it to test out some subtitle stuff and much to my absolute amazement, it seems to be working! DTS-HD MA and TrueHD are both bitstreaming in an MKV container. I haven't tried from disc yet so will do that now, but, I could have sworn DTS-HD MA was broken before. If I no longer have any problems I'm going to be super psyched now cause Haali solves my subtitle splitting issue perfectly. I'm now a true believer in MKV's. :)

I tested the latest Haali via SageTV 7. TrueHD worked flawless but DTS(MA) was horrible. Now that being said, it may have been a SageTV issue and not Haali, but I need to spend more time testing

[SamuriHL]

I tested the latest Haali via SageTV 7. TrueHD worked flawless but DTS(MA) was horrible. Now that being said, it may have been a SageTV issue and not Haali, but I need to spend more time testing

Still haven't gotten around to testing SageTV 7, but, Haali broke my ability to play BD mounted ISO's in MPC-HC. :( However, let's just say I don't care about that because I have plenty of options for disc playback. What I DO care about, though is solid MKV playback as that's the format I intend to use going forward. And so far, I've tried a couple different MKV's with DTS-HD MA embedded and they're playing most smoothly. I can absolutely live with the trade off of disc playback for MKV support. :) I'm honestly very pleased right now!

[SamuriHL]

Son of a building block. Ok, the story gets more convoluted. I have some MKV's I've made from movie only ISO's that I created with ClownBD. That uses eac3to to extract the streams, and tsMuxer to put them back together. I use ImgBurn to make the ISO. Yes, there's a point to this...bear with me here. I always do a full protected ISO for BD+ protected titles, so those aren't messed with at all. And for the past week or so before I started using MakeMKV, I was making movie only+menu ISO's with ClownBD BD Copier. Again, there's a point to mentioning all this. My experiment shows that if my MKV was made from an ISO that was touched by either eac3to or tsMuxer (not sure which yet...more testing needed) then with Haali the DTS-HD MA track will NOT play. It breaks up exactly as before. Interesting to note that MakeMKV wouldn't touch those ClownBD made ISOs, either. I had to extract them and use mkvmerge on them. (I could have just pulled the originals off the shelf but I'm lazy and hard drive access is faster). The MakeMKV ones that were made from my protected images or movie only + menu images or originals play fine with Haali. It's the ones that were touched either by eac3to or tsMuxer (I'm leaning towards tsMuxer being the culprit) that are refusing to play properly. This would seem to indicate that Haali is very picky about the stream. Can someone else confirm this finding if you have time? I'd very much appreciate it.

[liquidskin76]

Son of a building block. Ok, the story gets more convoluted. I have some MKV's I've made from movie only ISO's that I created with ClownBD. That uses eac3to to extract the streams, and tsMuxer to put them back together. I use ImgBurn to make the ISO. Yes, there's a point to this...bear with me here. I always do a full protected ISO for BD+ protected titles, so those aren't messed with at all. And for the past week or so before I started using MakeMKV, I was making movie only+menu ISO's with ClownBD BD Copier. Again, there's a point to mentioning all this. My experiment shows that if my MKV was made from an ISO that was touched by either eac3to or tsMuxer (not sure which yet...more testing needed) then with Haali the DTS-HD MA track will NOT play. It breaks up exactly as before. Interesting to note that MakeMKV wouldn't touch those ClownBD made ISOs, either. I had to extract them and use mkvmerge on them. (I could have just pulled the originals off the shelf but I'm lazy and hard drive access is faster). The MakeMKV ones that were made from my protected images or movie only + menu images or originals play fine with Haali. It's the ones that were touched either by eac3to or tsMuxer (I'm leaning towards tsMuxer being the culprit) that are refusing to play properly. This would seem to indicate that Haali is very picky about the stream. Can someone else confirm this finding if you have time? I'd very much appreciate it.

Hey SamuriHL,

I'll do some tests however won't be until tomorrow. I'll do a backup, then do some comparisons using eac3to and tsmuxer.

Will let you know.

Cheers

[SamuriHL]

Hey SamuriHL,

I'll do some tests however won't be until tomorrow. I'll do a backup, then do some comparisons using eac3to and tsmuxer.

Will let you know.

Cheers

Thanks! I'm running out of time tonight to do any more and I won't be home tomorrow. I'm nearly positive it's tsMuxer that's "causing" this issue. I think it's doing something to the DTS-HD MA stream that Haali doesn't like and that other splitters don't seem to care about. However, the fact that MakeMKV doesn't seem to like the streams either suggest it may be more than just a Haali problem. Yea, ok, MPC-HC internal splitter seems to not care, but, that's no longer a great option for me as I have embedded PGS subs that it can't seem to handle. I have a "work around" of sorts for movies that require subs but it's not one I overly love. Fortunately not all my movies require forced or foreign language subs, so, it's not a huge issue at the moment, but, I'd like to find a happy balance where I can play my new MKV's with embedded PGS subs AND still bitstream. If that means having to remake half my MKV's from the originals, so be it I guess. I just want to verify before I go through the trouble.

[esoteradactyl]

I have 250+ bluray rips, all using eac3to and none work with haali. I'm guessing tsmuxer and eac3to both do something the splitter doesn't like. I think right now our best bet at getting a splitter that works crrectly, would be to join in on the discussion of the new splitter/muxer SolveigMM. The thread is located here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154055) and developers are active and seem to be interested in feedback/suggestions.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I have 250+ bluray rips, all using eac3to and none work with haali. I'm guessing tsmuxer and eac3to both do something the splitter doesn't like. Which software media player are you using?

[SamuriHL]

That would seem to confirm what I'm seeing. However, MakeMKV's stream ripping seems to be more compliant. So, I think for me I'm just going to (eventually) rerip all my titles with MakeMKV and call it good. Haali is a great splitter. It can't really be blamed if the streams aren't fully compliant.

[dbone1026]

That would seem to confirm what I'm seeing. However, MakeMKV's stream ripping seems to be more compliant. So, I think for me I'm just going to (eventually) rerip all my titles with MakeMKV and call it good. Haali is a great splitter. It can't really be blamed if the streams aren't fully compliant.

If you already have AnyDVD an alternative to MakeMKV would be Another EAC3To GUI. The only thing you lose currently that MakeMKV has is PGS subs, but right now those are so scarcely supported in any players that I prefer the IDX/SUB subtitles AEAC creates. I have to assume at some point PGS subtitles will be more universally supported (MKVMerge would have to add support to probably get the ball rolling)

[SamuriHL]

If you already have AnyDVD an alternative to MakeMKV would be Another EAC3To GUI. The only thing you lose currently that MakeMKV has is PGS subs, but right now those are so scarcely supported in any players that I prefer the IDX/SUB subtitles AEAC creates. I have to assume at some point PGS subtitles will be more universally supported (MKVMerge would have to add support to probably get the ball rolling)

I actually enjoy the PGS subs being embedded and the easiness of the MakeMKV UI. Plus, the jury's still out on the eac3to extracted streams and whether or not they at fault for the haali issue. (I need to do testing but I don't have a lot of time today). Add to the fact that MakeMKV will make the MKV directly off the disc, and, well, it's rather convenient. Worth 50 bucks? To me, probably, as it saves a lot of time. With eac3to, you must first extract the streams to the hard drive, then put them back together with mkvmerge. Not as convenient, but, still works well. Other than the aforementioned PGS sub issue. The whole point of this discussion is the fact that with Haali+ffdshow+mpc-hc, I get full support for MKV's with embedded PGS subs. I rather like it. :)

[clsid]

Perhaps you could rip the same movie twice, with the same encoding settings, just with different toolsets. Then the files can be compared, in particular the differences in audio data. Then Haali and the developers of the various tools can maybe figure out what is wrong and what is right. Then the tools can be fixed and Haali could implement a workaround for existing files.

[SamuriHL]

That's a great idea. I can definitely do that maybe tomorrow and see what I find. Even just taking a snippet of each file I should be able to compare them and see what the difference is. I'm attempting to quickly test an eac3to extraction + mkvmerge to see if haali can deal with that. My gut feeling is that tsMuxer is the culprit. If so, then it's not a problem as anyone using the freeware workflow would most likely use ClownBD to rip the streams (eac3to under the covers) and mkvmerge to stitch them together in an MKV container. I'll reply back in a few minutes with my findings on that process.

[SamuriHL]

Woa. I was wrong on my guess. eac3to seems to be the culprit on the messed up dts-hd ma stream. Lemme try pulling the streams with tsMuxer and seeing if that make a difference. Very interesting!

[madshi]

eac3to seems to be the culprit on the messed up dts-hd ma stream.
Huh? eac3to command line + log, please.

[SamuriHL]

Huh? eac3to command line + log, please.

My apologies....I should have phrased that a little better. It was not my intention to offend. :) I'm just trying to find the root cause as to what makes Haali go insane. I have extracted tracks with eac3to using ClownBD as the front end, and then added them to an MKV using mkvmerge and Haali goes nuts.


eac3to v3.20
command line: "C:\Users\samuri\Documents\Scripts\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "G:" 1) 1: "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Chapters_1.txt" 2: "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Video_2.*" 3: "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Audio_3_English.DTS" 5: "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Subtitles_5_English.sup" 15: "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Subtitles_15_English.sup" -progressnumbers -LOG="C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\LOGS\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 15 subtitle tracks, 0:54:44, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 12 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48kHz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48kHz)
4: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB
5: Subtitle (PGS), English
6: Subtitle (PGS), French
7: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
8: Subtitle (PGS), Danish
9: Subtitle (PGS), Finnish
10: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
11: Subtitle (PGS), Norwegian
12: Subtitle (PGS), Swedish
13: Subtitle (PGS), Chinese
14: Subtitle (PGS), Chinese
15: Subtitle (PGS), English
16: Subtitle (PGS), Danish
17: Subtitle (PGS), Finnish
18: Subtitle (PGS), Norwegian
19: Subtitle (PGS), Swedish
Creating file "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Chapters_1.txt"...
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[s15] Extracting subtitle track number 15...
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[s05] Extracting subtitle track number 5...
[v02] Creating file "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Video_2.h264"...
[a03] Creating file "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Audio_3_English.DTS"...
[s15] Creating file "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Subtitles_15_English.sup"...
[s05] Creating file "C:\Users\Samuri\Videos\CLOWN\Subtitles_5_English.sup"...
Video track 2 contains 78735 frames.
Subtitle track 5 contains 825 captions.
Subtitle track 15 contains 1268 captions.
eac3to processing took 8 minutes, 27 seconds.
Done.


I've just extracted with tsMuxer and am putting another one together with mkvmerge. If that fails, then perhaps mkvmerge is causing some issues? I don't know. I'd just like to find out where the problem is. Again, not trying to stir up trouble here. :)

[SamuriHL]

Ok, the tsMuxer extracted version has the exact same problem. So, maybe mkvmerge? Lemme throw them in a TS file using tsMuxer and see if it has any problems with that.

(again, apologies to madshi. :) Trying not to jump to conclusions and not doing very well with that...would just like to figure this out)

[madshi]

@SamuriHL, no need to apologize (at all). I was just worried that eac3to screws things up. That would have been really bad.

Edit: You could try letting eac3to extract the DTS-HD stream from the MKV. Then compare the original track (extracted by eac3to from the original Blu-Ray) with the track extracted from the MKV. If they're bitwise identical, mkvmerge can't have done so much wrong (except maybe splitting the stream up at weird places).

[SamuriHL]

Well, I feel my statement was hasty at best and I jumped to a conclusion without having all the facts. Since tsMuxer gives me the same results (and an identical dts file might I add) something else is clearly wrong here. I'm just not sure what at the moment. What I know is that if I extract it with anything other than MakeMKV, it doesn't work. If I extract it with MakeMKV it does. I'm going to make one with MakeMKV shortly and compare the audio streams. (I guess I'll use MKVCleaver to extract it from the MakeMKV MKV). We'll see if we can pin this down and fix it.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, last post on this before I head out for a few hours. Ripped with MakeMKV. Plays perfect with Haali. No problems at all. Kinda what we all expect, right? Yea, ok, so, then I took the MKV from MakeMKV, loaded it into mkvmerge UI and just output a new MKV. That's ALL I did. Yea, um, the new one doesn't work right. HELP?!??!

[dbone1026]

I actually enjoy the PGS subs being embedded and the easiness of the MakeMKV UI. Plus, the jury's still out on the eac3to extracted streams and whether or not they at fault for the haali issue. (I need to do testing but I don't have a lot of time today). Add to the fact that MakeMKV will make the MKV directly off the disc, and, well, it's rather convenient. Worth 50 bucks? To me, probably, as it saves a lot of time. With eac3to, you must first extract the streams to the hard drive, then put them back together with mkvmerge. Not as convenient, but, still works well. Other than the aforementioned PGS sub issue. The whole point of this discussion is the fact that with Haali+ffdshow+mpc-hc, I get full support for MKV's with embedded PGS subs. I rather like it. :)

Yeah, I meant that Another EAC3To GUI tool does it all in one click as well, just like MakeMKV (so no need to do the multiple steps you are doing). You are getting PGS subs working in mkvs via MPC HC? I haven't tested in a few monthhs, and Haali was crapping out my players

[SeeMoreDigital]

If that fails, then perhaps mkvmerge is causing some issues? I don't know. I'd just like to find out where the problem is. Again, not trying to stir up trouble here. :)As far as I know MKVmerge does not support PGS (.SUP) subtitles. Could this be the cause :eek:

[liquidskin76]

As far as I know MKVmerge does not support PGS (.SUP) subtitles. Could this be the cause :eek:

I see the haali/dts-hd problem with mkvmerge mkv's that are sub free or have .srt subs.

[liquidskin76]

Perhaps we should try a fresh decrypted dts-hd movie using anydvd hd (left in it's original m2ts container and format so it's untouched by anything other than anydvd). I can't at the moment as my pc is out action (on work laptop without blu-ray drive!).

If that also bitstream ok, then we truly know that makemkv is doing something special that haali likes!

[dbone1026]

I see the haali/dts-hd problem with mkvmerge mkv's that are sub free or have .srt subs.

Hmmm....I don't use Haali but when testing out SageTV to get HD Audio bitstreaming I installed Haali to use in place of the SageTV internal mkv splitter which does not support HD audio currently. TrueHD mkvs played perfect but DTS(MA) mkvs stuttered like crazy. All my Blu Ray mkvs were created with EAC3To + MKVMerge. I may have to try creating a Blu Ray with MakeMKV, and test again with Haali + ffdshow to see if I encounter the same problem with DTS(MA)

[liquidskin76]

@SamuriHL,

How did the tsmuxer .ts file behave? Was it muxed from a fresh anydvd hd backup?

[SamuriHL]

Yeah, I meant that Another EAC3To GUI tool does it all in one click as well, just like MakeMKV (so no need to do the multiple steps you are doing). You are getting PGS subs working in mkvs via MPC HC? I haven't tested in a few monthhs, and Haali was crapping out my players

Oh I didn't know that about AEG. I'll have to check it out. As for the PGS subs working in MPC-HC, yes, I have it working just fine on ones I make with MakeMKV.

[SamuriHL]

As far as I know MKVmerge does not support PGS (.SUP) subtitles. Could this be the cause :eek:

No, clearly mkvmerge didn't add PGS and when I did this one with MakeMKV I didn't add any subs for that very reason. Just the video and audio tracks. Taking the one that worked from MakeMKV and using it directly as the source in mkvmerge, the output from mkvmerge failed. IMO, it's not a stream problem so much as a problem splitting files from mkvmerge but again, I'm not wanting to jump to conclusions.

[SamuriHL]

I see the haali/dts-hd problem with mkvmerge mkv's that are sub free or have .srt subs.

Right, exactly.

[SamuriHL]

Hmmm....I don't use Haali but when testing out SageTV to get HD Audio bitstreaming I installed Haali to use in place of the SageTV internal mkv splitter which does not support HD audio currently. TrueHD mkvs played perfect but DTS(MA) mkvs stuttered like crazy. All my Blu Ray mkvs were created with EAC3To + MKVMerge. I may have to try creating a Blu Ray with MakeMKV, and test again with Haali + ffdshow to see if I encounter the same problem with DTS(MA)

Yes, please. Because at this point in time, I'm really starting to think it's an mkvmerge "issue" of some kind. For some reason I can't split m2ts or ts files with haali on my machine right now so I wasn't able to test that. Not sure what's going on there with that. But if you could please try a MakeMKV MKV for one that didn't work with mkvmerge I'd appreciate it. eac3to does NOT seem to be the problem here at all. Nor does tsMuxer. The streams they made are identical. I believe it's in the packaging of the MKV.

[SamuriHL]

@SamuriHL,

How did the tsmuxer .ts file behave? Was it muxed from a fresh anydvd hd backup?

Yes, but, as I just posted I couldn't get it to play with haali. I even reinstalled it and told it to split everything and it still didn't bother. I don't know what to do on that issue. ts/m2ts doesn't want to play nice for me with haali at all. Which sucks cause it breaks disc playback, too.

[SamuriHL]

Let me clarify on the ts/m2ts issue. Haali splits the video just fine, but, it doesn't see the audio for me. It's really weird.

[liquidskin76]

@SamuriHL

Fancy doing a little test!? Pop in a dts-hd db disc, fire up anydvd, and using tsmuxer create a bd folder on your hard drive with main movie and dts-hd audio only. Then with makemkv, use the bd folder created by tsmuxer to create a new mkv. See if it works.

Do the same however use eac3to instead of tsmuxer. See if it works.

If both are ok, then it has to be mkvmerge, right?

I can't do as my pc is down and me laptop doesn't have a bd drive!

[SamuriHL]

It won't, I've already tried. MakeMKV won't touch any of my tsMuxer made BD structures.

[dbone1026]

Oh I didn't know that about AEG. I'll have to check it out. As for the PGS subs working in MPC-HC, yes, I have it working just fine on ones I make with MakeMKV.

Here is my writeup on Another EAC3To GUI. The author Mike is constantly updating with new features:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/03/29/mkv-mania-another-eac3to-gui/

I will put together a MakeMKV mkv and test out with Haali/SageTV. Curious as well to see if I get the same result as with my MKVMerge mkvs (stuttering with DTS-MA). I will report back once I have a chance to test this out (most likely tomorrow)

[liquidskin76]

It won't, I've already tried. MakeMKV won't touch any of my tsMuxer made BD structures.

Bummer! Does it just sit there doing nothing when saving the file at the end?

Rica has been playing with the new SolveigMM MKV muxer. Maybe he has a dts-ma mkv created with that? I'll pm him.

[SamuriHL]

Here is my writeup on Another EAC3To GUI. The author Mike is constantly updating with new features:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/03/29/mkv-mania-another-eac3to-gui/

I will put together a MakeMKV mkv and test out with Haali/SageTV. Curious as well to see if I get the same result as with my MKVMerge mkvs (stuttering with DTS-MA). I will report back once I have a chance to test this out (most likely tomorrow)

Thanks! I'll take a look at the guide tonight and see how well that works for me. Right now I'm just about ready to say screw it and redo my whole library with MakeMKV. It'll take a bit of effort but at least I'll have MKV's with embedded PGS subs that work with Haali. Of course, not being able to split ts/m2ts with haali is a bit of a problem. :) But I know a way around that, too, so, no big deal. I'm ALMOST there. But I would like to help try to figure out what's going on with mkvmerge files to make them go insane with haali.

[SamuriHL]

Bummer! Does it just sit there doing nothing when saving the file at the end?


Sometimes. Other times it fails immediately and throws and error. But yea, I've seen it hang at the end of the file til I kill the task. I've never had a successful one that's been done on something that had tsMuxer run on it. Always have to do it from my originals or an ISO made with AnyDVD. As long as it hasn't been processed.


Rica has been playing with the new SolveigMM MKV muxer. Maybe he has a dts-ma mkv created with that? I'll pm him.

It's only 32 bit right? Maybe I should go look at it.

Found this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154055

My wife is wanting to watch a movie right now so I'll test it tomorrow.

[rica]

Rica has been playing with the new SolveigMM MKV muxer. Maybe he has a dts-ma mkv created with that? I'll pm him.

Here is what you want:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1407432#post1407432

And pls check out my posts 61 and 62 on that thread.

[SamuriHL]

Thanks, Rica. I'll try it out tomorrow. As of now I have both x64 and x32 ffdshow installed and have MKV's from MakeMKV playing in both MPC-HC and WMP playing perfectly using Haali. However, as we know, this isn't working with non-MakeMKV made MKV's. So, I'll try out this SolveigMM splitter tomorrow. I can try the muxer but I don't think it allows PGS subs, either, right? But for a test of DTS-HD MA that'll be ok.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, did some useful tests finally. :) This is with 32 bit ffdshow and WMP, not that it really matters.

MakeMKV made: http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=vmYE4NFM
mkvmerge made: http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=7FWqCqQH

I hope someone can look at those logs, make sense of what the hell is happening, and maybe lead to a fix? Maybe? At the very end of the mkvmerge log there's corrupt frames so clearly something's different. Remember, I make a MakeMKV file right from the disc, and then I took that as input into mkvmerge, changed nothing, and output it. In theory, it should all be the same, but, Haali doesn't seem to think so. :D Thank you all!!

[madshi]

@SamuriHL, what happens if you demux the DTS-HD tracks from the MKVs created by MakeMKV and mkvmerge and compare them? Are they bitwise identical? You can use eac3to for demuxing.

[SamuriHL]

I used eac3to to extract the MakeMKV made MKV and the DTS tracks are binary identical to the one I extracted from the disc directly as verified with UltraCompare. I'll extract the one from mkvmerge that I made using the MakeMKV made MKV and compare that now, but, I'm guessing it'll also be identical.

Interesting to note when extracting the MakeMKV made MKV, I got a lot of this:


Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:26.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:27.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:29.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:30.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:32.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:33.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:35.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:36.
Video has a gap of 1 frames at playtime 0:54:37.

[SamuriHL]

As predicted, they are also identical. And I got the same video gap messages on the mkvmerge MKV that I did on the MakeMKV MKV. It's just really bizarre! I don't get this at all.

[SamuriHL]

So when I look at the MKV files in UltraCompare, I see a *LOT* of "stuff" at the beginning of the MakeMKV file that is all null (00's) in the (what should be identical!) mkvmerge file. They seem to be completely different. I don't know much about the MKV container and how the data is stored, but, they appear to be taking radically different approaches to how they store things. I suspect this is the root of our problem but I don't know enough about it to know why or what to do about it.

[madshi]

I don't think the zeroes have anything to do with the problem.

You can use mkvinfo with the options "-v" and "-o log.txt" to get a full log of the files. I suspect that mkvmerge and MakeMKV split the DTS-HD blocks into chunks of different sizes. What you could do is create two small demo MKV files which demonstrate the problem (both with only DTS-HD in them and no video) and then upload them for Mosu to look at. He should be able to tell us in what way they differ...

[SamuriHL]

Creating demo MKV's that are small is an issue. By definition anything containing DTS-HD MA isn't "small" usually. I'll see what I can come up with though. I know there's a DTS-HD MA logo on some discs that people have used for a demo. If I can find a disc that has that on it I could extract it and use that.

[SamuriHL]

Here are the requested logs. I had to zip them as they were crashing pastebin. LOL.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZFK7GG4L

Hopefully those contain a clue as to what's going on here.

[SamuriHL]

Also, Madshi, I want to thank you for helping me troubleshoot this problem and get the pertinent info to hopefully resolve it. I'm still very new to MKV and the tools so this has been a great learning experience. Hopefully with what we find we can help everyone out by getting this issue fixed.

[madshi]

Here are the requested logs. I had to zip them as they were crashing pastebin. LOL.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZFK7GG4L

Hopefully those contain a clue as to what's going on here.
On a quick check I don't see anything wrong in the mkvmerge log. However, mkvmerge 4.0 muxes in a different way compared to older mkvmerge versions. I'd suggest trying with an mkvmerge 3.x version. If the problem exists with 3.x, too, I'd suggest to bring this problem to Mosu's attention.

[SamuriHL]

On a quick check I don't see anything wrong in the mkvmerge log. However, mkvmerge 4.0 muxes in a different way compared to older mkvmerge versions. I'd suggest trying with an mkvmerge 3.x version. If the problem exists with 3.x, too, I'd suggest to bring this problem to Mosu's attention.

Ok. I'll see what I can do. I don't know if I have a previous version of mkvmerge kicking around but I might.

[SamuriHL]

Same result with 2.9.9 (the newest old version I have kicking around). I'll send him an email and bring this to his attention. Thanks again for your help!

[dbone1026]

Ok. I'll see what I can do. I don't know if I have a previous version of mkvmerge kicking around but I might.

Supposedly the new version of MKVMerge (4.0) causes issues with subtitles which is why I have not upgraded. You can download an older version here:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVtoolnix/old-versions#download

[SamuriHL]

Thanks! I'll grab the latest 3.x version but I suspect it won't change much. 2.9.9 had the exact same problem. I've sent an email to Mosu to see if he has time to look at this issue. I know it affects a lot of people because I've seen various posts the last few months in both ffdshow threads and all attributed the issue to Haali. It's possible that it's a Haali issue but where it works with MakeMKV output I think it warrants a closer look. I'm really hoping this problem can be found and squashed as it'd be very beneficial to everyone.

[Mosu]

You can download all recent releases from http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/ and even older ones from the "old" subdirectory.

Then: I don't have the means to play back DTS-HD, and I don't have time to look into playback issues at the moment. Especially if everything's pointing to Haali's splitter. Please contact him for support.

[SamuriHL]

Thanks for the response, Mosu! I'll try to contact the author of Haali and see if they have the time to look at this.

[dbone1026]

Thanks! I'll grab the latest 3.x version but I suspect it won't change much. 2.9.9 had the exact same problem. I've sent an email to Mosu to see if he has time to look at this issue. I know it affects a lot of people because I've seen various posts the last few months in both ffdshow threads and all attributed the issue to Haali. It's possible that it's a Haali issue but where it works with MakeMKV output I think it warrants a closer look. I'm really hoping this problem can be found and squashed as it'd be very beneficial to everyone.

Here is the issue I read about regarding using the latest MKVToolnix (version 4.0) and MPC w/ subtitles:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1405881#post1405881

[SamuriHL]

Here is the issue I read about regarding using the latest MKVToolnix (version 4.0) and MPC w/ subtitles:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1405881#post1405881

Hmmm. That seems very specific to MPC-HC and its handling of subs, though, yea? Unless I'm reading it wrong. If you use Haali to feed the subs to ffdshow, and disable MPC-HC's handling of subs entirely would that issue still show up? Perhaps I'm not reading it right. Again, MKV is still very new to me so I'm playing catch up on how it all works.

[dbone1026]

Hmmm. That seems very specific to MPC-HC and its handling of subs, though, yea? Unless I'm reading it wrong. If you use Haali to feed the subs to ffdshow, and disable MPC-HC's handling of subs entirely would that issue still show up? Perhaps I'm not reading it right. Again, MKV is still very new to me so I'm playing catch up on how it all works.

I have not confirmed since I have not used the latest MKVToolnix but I agree with you, it appears to be specific to MPCs handling of subs. Just trying to cover all bases of what the culprit could be (sounds like Haali is most likely the issue)

[SamuriHL]

I have not confirmed since I have not used the latest MKVToolnix but I agree with you, it appears to be specific to MPCs handling of subs. Just trying to cover all bases of what the culprit could be (sounds like Haali is most likely the issue)

I honestly don't know. I sent him an email so we have to wait and see what he says. For myself I'll probably just redo the DTS-HD MA MKV's I'm having issues with using MakeMKV from my originals and call it good. Time consuming for sure, but, at least I know that works. That doesn't help everyone else, though, so, we'll see what happens. I'm also really concerned that Haali isn't splitting TS or M2TS files on my machine. I've got it set up in both 32 bit land using WMP and 64 bit land using MPC-HC. Neither of them play any audio or attempt to load Haali at all when I play a TS or M2TS file. This is not a good thing IMO.

[dbone1026]

I can confirm SamuriHL's findings. Haali + MakeMKV mkv + FFDShow plays fine with Bitstreaming for DTS(MA). Haali + MKVMerge mkv + FFDShow stutters like crazy with DTS(MA). Also, SamuriHL is able to get PGS subs in mkvs working with FFDShow but unfortunately I cannot. I tested this with WMP, MPC HC, and SageTV.

For now I will just stick with FFDSHow + MPC Matroska Splitter as that seems to yield the most reliable results.

[SamuriHL]

Thanks for testing! Very much appreciated. Still not sure why you can't get the PGS subs to work. I have no problem with that. They show up fine on the Haali menu and I can select between them with ease. I don't blame you for sticking with the MPC splitter. I would if I didn't care about PGS subs and WMP support. I need to get this working with Haali somehow.

[dbone1026]

Thanks for testing! Very much appreciated. Still not sure why you can't get the PGS subs to work. I have no problem with that. They show up fine on the Haali menu and I can select between them with ease. I don't blame you for sticking with the MPC splitter. I would if I didn't care about PGS subs and WMP support. I need to get this working with Haali somehow.

Maybe someone else can test out PGS support. If anyone has a PGS MKV (created by MakeMKV) and is looking for the right to earn a hairy chest (yeah, don't really know what that means!) here are SamuriHL's steps:

- Install latest Haali
- ffdshow dxva video configuration:
Subtitles is checked in the tree on the left. Make sure all the formats are checked. Make sure embedded subtitles and subtitles files checked
- MPC-HC configuration:
Playback, uncheck auto-load subtitles
Internal filters make sure matroska is unchecked
External filters add ffdshow dxva video decoder, ffdshow audio decoder, and ffdshow subtitle filter and set all to prefer.

Play MKV in either WMP or MPC HC and see if PGS subs work. I have no problem selecting the subtitles but nothing appears. In fact, this method kills all subtitles from working (IDX/SUB as well).

[SamuriHL]

Yea, I have no problem with subs when I do that. Not sure what's up with your configuration. When you right click on the ffdshow dxva video icon, is the subtitle option checked?

[dbone1026]

Yea, I have no problem with subs when I do that. Not sure what's up with your configuration. When you right click on the ffdshow dxva video icon, is the subtitle option checked?

Yeah, here is a screenshot in MPC. I tried switching through each subtitle stream and no luck. Must be gremlins in my PC :devil:

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3776/32972995.jpg

[SamuriHL]

AHA! I know what the issue is. :) Go back into ffdshow dxva video settings and under the hardware acceleration section, turn on post processing. :)

[dbone1026]

AHA! I know what the issue is. :) Go back into ffdshow dxva video settings and under the hardware acceleration section, turn on post processing. :)

Brilliant, it is working now :thanks:

[SamuriHL]

Brilliant, it is working now :thanks:

That's my fault. I forgot that setting. I wish ffdshow had an "enable all crap to get MKV + subs + dxva + bitstreaming working" button. :D

[dbone1026]

That's my fault. I forgot that setting. I wish ffdshow had an "enable all crap to get MKV + subs + dxva + bitstreaming working" button. :D

LOL, the "enable crap" feature!!!

[SamuriHL]

LOL, the "enable crap" feature!!!

Well, doesn't it make sense? We know what options should be set by default to make everything work. I want one button to set it all. :D I don't care what they call it. LOL! And yes, I know, I know...I could just export the settings. I'm lazy! :D

[MikeEby]

Are you guys trying MKVMerge from the CL or the GUI?....I'm wondering if only the GUI doesn't support PGS Subs.

Also on files made with MakeMKV can you set the subs default to off but then play forced subs automatically if they are present?...These are things I've struggled with on my GUI when I convert the subs to .IDX.

In most cases I only want to see forced subs by default although it would be nice to have non-forced present in the file. I also don't want to be bothered to turn them off. I also don't want to turn them on if only forced subs are present...Does that make sense?

Mike

[SamuriHL]

With MakeMKV he gives you some nifty options. You can add regular subs, but, he also gives you the option of extracting only the forced subs for each subtitle track. So you have the choice to do full subs, forced subs only, or both meaning it makes a separate sub track for forced. I've got to play with this some more. Haali seems to always pick the first sub track from what I've seen. I don't think there's a way to change the order of the subs so the forced track is first, though.

[dbone1026]

For anyone interested, I documented the steps SamuriHL used to get PGS subtitles in mkvs working:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/06/17/mkvmania-displaying-pgs-subtitles-in-mkvs/

[SeeMoreDigital]

If somebody can oblige, I still would like a short PGS.MKV sample for testing with my Xtreamer and XtreamerPro hardware player...

Many thanks

[SamuriHL]

I've still not been able to find a sample short enough with HD audio and PGS subs. The issue is you can't use anything to cut it down in size because it breaks the MKV. It has to be small enough to be done directly in MakeMKV without editing and I simply don't have anything that small in my collection.

[dbone1026]

If somebody can oblige, I still would like a short PGS.MKV sample for testing with my Xtreamer and XtreamerPro hardware player...

Many thanks

I had tested out my District 9 mkv with PGS subs with my Xtreamer a few months ago and it did not work. If I have a few minutes either today or tomorrow I will test again.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I had tested out my District 9 mkv with PGS subs with my Xtreamer a few months ago and it did not work. If I have a few minutes either today or tomorrow I will test again.Sadly, I can see you have not posted anything on the Xtreamer forum since Nov 2009...

Some improvements have been made to subtitle parsing in the closed beta firmwares. Plus the XtreamerPro has twice the memory of the Xtreamer Mk1

[dbone1026]

Sadly, I can see you have not posted anything on the Xtreamer forum since Nov 2009...

Some improvements have been made to subtitle parsing in the closed beta firmwares. Plus the XtreamerPro has twice the memory of the Xtreamer Mk1

Well, when I tested out the mkv with the PGS my Xtreamer died on me lol (I will assume it was just coincidence). I only just got it back recently a fixed model with the "new" old chip. If I have a chance to test again I will gladly post my results on the Xtreamer forum. I am not privy to the beta testing so I cannot confirm what improvements have been made to the subtitle parsing.

OK, I think we have gotten Off Topic from the purpose of this thread so back to discussing HD Audio

[Sebastiii]

If somebody can oblige, I still would like a short PGS.MKV sample for testing with my Xtreamer and XtreamerPro hardware player...

Many thanks

Hi,

You can test with this sample :)

Sample PGS/MKV (http://www.mediafire.com/?dmyi2i5outt)

Bye :)

[Sebastiii]

For anyone interested, I documented the steps SamuriHL used to get PGS subtitles in mkvs working:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/06/17/mkvmania-displaying-pgs-subtitles-in-mkvs/

Thank you :)

[SamuriHL]

Hi,

You can test with this sample :)

Sample PGS/MKV (http://www.mediafire.com/?dmyi2i5outt)

Bye :)

Wonderful, Seb! Thanks for posting that.

[Sebastiii]

You're welcome :)
I hope that it's a good sample to make test :)
Seb :)

[SamuriHL]

Yea, Seb, that's an awesome file. Should allow the hardware streaming guys to check their equipment to see if this workflow will work for them. I'm now an MKV convert. With albain's incredible work on ffdshow for bitstreaming, dxva, and subtitles and with MakeMKV making it SO easy to create MKV's with embedded PGS subs (including stripping forced subs into a separate track) there's just no reason to use anything else for movie backups. I'm not looking back. :)

[SamuriHL]

BTW, if you like the idea of mkvmerge + MPC-HC + PGS subs this is entirely possible to do, as well. I guess I forgot to mention this configuration. If you extract the PGS subs seperately, you can drop them into a folder and ffdshow can be configured to check for them. So no splitting needed. This allows you to make MKV's with mkvmerge, use the MPC internal splitter, and still have PGS subs. Nice, yes? :)

@MikeEby

You could make an option in Another EAC3To GUI to extract the PGS files. I configure ffdshow to look in .\subtitles for the SUP files, for example. So in your UI, you could have an option to extract PGS files and give a relative path to the output MKV to put them in. Just a thought anyway. :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi,

You can test with this sample :)

Sample PGS/MKV (http://www.mediafire.com/?dmyi2i5outt)Thanks Seb,

I tested the provided sample "as is" with my Xtreamer and although the PGS subtitles were detected, they were not rendered :(

I then wondered what MKVmerge GUI (v4.0.0) would make of the provided sample and was surprised to discover it was able to "detect" the PGS subtitles and re-mux the entire file. (Although direct input of PGS subtitles is not supported).

I tested the "re-muxed" MKV file with my Xtreamer, and again, although the PGS subtitles were detected, they were not rendered... Bummer!

Undaunted, I decided to re-mux the individual streams into the .M2TS container using TSremux GUI, and the PGS subtitles were detected and rendered :)

By-the-way, VLC player v1.1.0 RC was able to display the PGS subtitles for all three files.


Cheers all

[dbone1026]

BTW, if you like the idea of mkvmerge + MPC-HC + PGS subs this is entirely possible to do, as well. I guess I forgot to mention this configuration. If you extract the PGS subs seperately, you can drop them into a folder and ffdshow can be configured to check for them. So no splitting needed. This allows you to make MKV's with mkvmerge, use the MPC internal splitter, and still have PGS subs. Nice, yes? :)

@MikeEby

You could make an option in Another EAC3To GUI to extract the PGS files. I configure ffdshow to look in .\subtitles for the SUP files, for example. So in your UI, you could have an option to extract PGS files and give a relative path to the output MKV to put them in. Just a thought anyway. :)

AEAC actually does extract the PGS subtitles. If you want them separate you could either uncheck the "Delete All Work Files After MKVMerge" in the Options section or run the command line which will extract all the necessary files but not mux them together (if you look at this guide I put together towards the bottom you will see a screenshot of the working files - http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/04/13/mkv-mania-adding-a-secondary-audio-track-with-another-eac3to-gui/)

[SamuriHL]

Thanks Seb,

I tested the provided sample "as is" with my Xtreamer and although the PGS subtitles were detected, they were not rendered :(

I then wondered what MKVmerge GUI (v4.0.0) would make of the provided sample and was surprised to discover it was able to "detect" the PGS subtitles and re-mux the entire file.

I tested the "re-muxed" MKV file with my Xtreamer, and again, although the PGS subtitles were detected, they were not rendered... Bummer!

Undaunted, I decided to re-mux the individual streams into the .M2TS container using TSremux GUI, and the PGS subtitles were detected and rendered :)

By-the-way, VLC player v1.1.0 RC was able to display the PGS subtitles for all three files.


Cheers all

The problem with m2ts container is that you lose chapter info which kinda bites. But I'm glad that worked for you!

[SamuriHL]

AEAC actually does extract the PGS subtitles. If you want them separate you could either uncheck the "Delete All Work Files After MKVMerge" in the Options section or run the command line which will extract all the necessary files but not mux them together (if you look at this guide I put together towards the bottom you will see a screenshot of the working files - http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/04/13/mkv-mania-adding-a-secondary-audio-track-with-another-eac3to-gui/)

Ewww. I know you can not delete the working files, but, that's not what I was going for! :p LOL! I was hoping for another option to keep the PGS subs, name them "Movie(lang)" "Movie(lang)(2)" etc. No? :D

EDIT: Well I was just schooled on sub file naming conventions.

movie.lang#.sup

So, District9.eng.sup, District9.eng2.sup, etc.

[SeeMoreDigital]

The problem with m2ts container is that you lose chapter info which kinda bites. But I'm glad that worked for you!Indeed...

However, given that I now have a viable PGS in .MKV sample, I will send this to the Xtreamer developers to see if they can get it to work.

The more samples the better though :)

[SamuriHL]

Indeed...

However, given that I now have a viable PGS in .MKV sample, I will send this to the Xtreamer developers to see if they can get it to work.

The more samples the better though :)

Sweet! I hope they're able to get that working for you. Good luck!

[dbone1026]

Ewww. I know you can not delete the working files, but, that's not what I was going for! :p LOL! I was hoping for another option to keep the PGS subs, name them "Movie(lang)" "Movie(lang)(2)" etc. No? :D

I am sure Mike can come up with something. I know one issue with PGS subs was that MKVMerge didn't support, but according to SeeMoreDigital it appears that version 4.0 now supports PGS so who knows, maybe the sky is the limit. Mike's done a great job with AEAC and I am sure he still has more tricks up his sleeve:)

[SamuriHL]

I am sure Mike can come up with something. I know one issue with PGS subs was that MKVMerge didn't support, but according to SeeMoreDigital it appears that version 4.0 now supports PGS so who knows, maybe the sky is the limit. Mike's done a great job with AEAC and I am sure he still has more tricks up his sleeve:)

No, that's incorrect. 4.0 will pass through the PGS subs if they're already in the original MKV you're using as the source. It will not allow you to add them if they aren't there already.

[dbone1026]

No, that's incorrect. 4.0 will pass through the PGS subs if they're already in the original MKV you're using as the source. It will not allow you to add them if they aren't there already.

Ahh...interesting. I wonder why add support to pass through but not add support to mux in????

[SamuriHL]

I suspect it's more complicated to add muxing support for it. With passthrough it's already there. I'm just guessing. I really have no idea. :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

I suspect it's more complicated to add muxing support for it. With passthrough it's already there. I'm just guessing. I really have no idea. :)I wonder if Mosu can shed some light.

I did a quick search of his thread and couldn't find anybody even requesting PGS subtitle support as a feature :eek:

[SamuriHL]

I wonder if Mosu can shed some light.

I did a quick search of his thread and couldn't find anybody even requesting PGS subtitle support as a feature :eek:

Oh that's not good. I was under the assumption it had been asked for. Oops! :)

On the plus side, I just got this all working in 7MC, as well. I forgot about the Win7DSTweaker requirement of shutting off the built in MS codecs and using ffdshow dxva instead. Subs and bitstreaming all working fine. :D

[Mosu]

The support for reading PGS subs from Matroska files in mkvtoolnix was requested by one of the MakeMKV developers. I implemented that and extracting them in mkvextract. He argued that adding support for reading raw PGS files was not such a big priority as MakeMKV was the only app creating those files, and because MakeMKV already creates Matroska files.

mkvmerge will get raw PGS input support in the near future though.

Support for PGS in mkvmerge & mkvextract has been implemented at the end of 2009 with release 3.1.0.

[SamuriHL]

Very very nice, Mosu! Thank you!! This will give people options. The embedded PGS in an MKV is really nice, the haali issue aside. Looking forward to it!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yes thanks Mosu...

[SamuriHL]

@albain

Can you take a look at these logs when you get a moment?

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1408982&postcount=1877

What's really odd to me is that using Haali, my other machines that don't bitstream can decode the DTS core track just fine. It's just the bitstreaming that's an issue. I'm sure if you look at those logs you'll be able to tell why the bitstreaming is broken and maybe that'll help pinpoint the source of the problem. Maybe? :D Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you get a chance. Thanks!!

[rica]

samuri, i'd suggest you not to loose much time with other mkv muxers.
Just give it a go with Solveig for now; you'll get core ac3 and core dts from THD+ac3 or DTSHD.
Or only HD audio, whatever you wish.

[SamuriHL]

But it doesn't support PGS subs yet, right? Plus I'm not entirely sure how to even use it. I'm guessing you have to set it up in graphstudio? And only 32 bit at the moment, yes?

[rica]

But it doesn't support PGS subs yet, right? Plus I'm not entirely sure how to even use it. I'm guessing you have to set it up in graphstudio? And only 32 bit at the moment, yes?

Correct, it's 32 bit and doesn't support PGS subs yet.
But they are working on 64 bit muxer and i think new versions will support both of those missing things.

BTW i'm using Seven/64 and i can use it on MPC-HC as well. (while playing...)

Solveig 32 and MPC-HC 32...

[SamuriHL]

That'd be good. Another option would be nice to have. Once it supports 64 bit and PGS subs I'll give it a try. Be curious to see if we can get it to split for WMP and 7MC, as well. I think we're getting there though.

[rica]

That'd be good. Another option would be nice to have. Once it supports 64 bit and PGS subs I'll give it a try. Be curious to see if we can get it to split for WMP and 7MC, as well. I think we're getting there though.

I'm sure both features will be available in one month; i guess.
What ordinary users will need is gonna be a gui for the muxer.

[SamuriHL]

I'm sure both features will be available in one month; i guess.
What ordinary users will need is gonna be a gui for the muxer.

Yea, that's guaranteed. Most users aren't going to be able to load it up in graphstudio and attach everything correctly. Hell, I'm not even sure I know exactly how to do it myself. I could probably stumble my way through it, but... :) A tray icon for the splitter wouldn't hurt, either. That's one of the things I like about Haali.

[dbone1026]

samuri, i'd suggest you not to loose much time with other mkv muxers.
Just give it a go with Solveig for now; you'll get core ac3 and core dts from THD+ac3 or DTSHD.
Or only HD audio, whatever you wish.

Any reason to use Solveig over the MPC splitter (Matroska)? Neither support PGS but aside from that MatroskaSplitter.ax has been rock solid. Always good to have choices

[rica]

Any reason to use Solveig over the MPC splitter (Matroska)? Neither support PGS but aside from that MatroskaSplitter.ax has been rock solid. Always good to have choices

I've been talking about muxer; no any other muxer is able to remux any thd+ac3 file into an mkv container
for now. So finally you can get ac3 core or dts core seperately as you wish via Solveig Splitter over ffdshow.

Pls have a look at this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1408828#post1408828

[SamuriHL]

I've been talking about muxer; no any other muxer is able to remux any thd+ac3 file into an mkv container
for now. So finally you can get ac3 core or dts core seperately as you wish via Solveig Splitter over ffdshow.

Just as an FYI, MakeMKV has that ability.

[rica]

Just as an FYI, MakeMKV has that ability.

Really?

Thx, i'll give it a go.

[SamuriHL]

Yup. It's quite awesome. It allows you to extract the core audio as a separate track while keeping or removing the HD audio track. It can do similar things with subs (forced can be extracted to a separate sub track while keeping or removing the original). I really like it.

[rica]

First trial result: unsuccesful.

From an Iso file created by ImageBurn.

EDIT: sorry, i need Haali as well, correct?

[SamuriHL]

Nope, don't do that. :) It should be done only from an original disc. It will NOT work on something that's been touched by tsMuxer.

[rica]

Nope, don't do that. :) It should be done only from an original disc. It will NOT work on something that's been touched by tsMuxer.

So, forget it :p

EDIT: I removed makemkv.

[SamuriHL]

:D To each their own. :) I'm just happy that ffdshow can give us bitstreamed audio and dxva video and subs from these MKV's. I don't care how they're created as long as they work. :D

[rica]

Any reason to use Solveig over the MPC splitter (Matroska)? Neither support PGS but aside from that MatroskaSplitter.ax has been rock solid. Always good to have choices

I think Samuri gave the right answer:

Nope, don't do that. :) It should be done only from an original disc. It will NOT work on something that's been touched by tsMuxer.

[SamuriHL]

I've tried on many of my tsMuxer made movie only ISO's. Not one of them worked. It'll work from an unmodified, full ISO, but, not from a movie only ISO made from tsMuxer. No idea what's up with that.

[rica]

I've tried on many of my tsMuxer made movie only ISO's. Not one of them worked. It'll work from an unmodified, full ISO, but, not from a movie only ISO made from tsMuxer. No idea what's up with that.

I'd prefer to wait Solveig guys to implement a new version.
I made the comparison between Haali and Gabest before, as you remember?

No idea what's up with that.

I'd say it's a commercial SW finally.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Jeez, we're way off-topic now...

Perhaps one of the moderators should split our "non-audio" and "muxing" posts into a new thread :eek:

[Mosu]

mkvmerge will get raw PGS input support in the near future though.

And here's such a build: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre/mkvtoolnix-unicode-4.0.0-build20100618-270-setup.exe

Please direct any comment to the mkvtoolnix support thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120648). Bugs, ideas etc about mkvtoolnix are pretty off topic in this one. Thanks.

[SamuriHL]

And here's such a build: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre/mkvtoolnix-unicode-4.0.0-build20100618-270-setup.exe

Please direct any comment to the mkvtoolnix support thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120648). Bugs, ideas etc about mkvtoolnix are pretty off topic in this one. Thanks.

OMG, thank you! Will try it out and post feedback in the mkvtoolnix thread.

[SamuriHL]

@albain

Need some help understanding something.



00000516 0.50900584 [4972] WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE :
00000517 0.50900584 [4972] subFormat : KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DTS_HD
00000518 0.50900584 [4972]
00000519 0.50900584 [4972] wSamplesPerBlock : 16
00000520 0.50900584 [4972] Valid bits per sample : 16
00000521 0.50900584 [4972] dwChannelMask : 255
00000522 0.50900584 [4972]
00000523 0.50900584 [4972] WAVEFORMATEX :
00000524 0.50900584 [4972] wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE
00000525 0.50900584 [4972] Channels : 8
00000526 0.50900584 [4972] Bits per sample : 16
00000527 0.50900584 [4972] Samples per second : 192000
00000528 0.50900584 [4972] nBlockAlign : 16
00000529 0.50900584 [4972] nAvgBytesPerSec : 3072000
00000530 0.50900584 [4972]
00000531 0.57470566 [4972] no picture
00000532 0.57473069 [4972] TffdshowDecAudio::deliverSampleBistream Delivering IEC sample format type 1041 - sample size 2468 - buffer length 32768
00000533 0.57481670 [4972] TDXVADecoder::PostProcessFrame 0
00000534 0.57980877 [4972] Media Type Structure
00000535 0.57980877 [4972] Format type : FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
00000536 0.57980877 [4972] Sub type : MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM
00000537 0.57980877 [4972]


vs


00000514 0.28720888 [1324] WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE :
00000515 0.28720888 [1324] subFormat : KSDATAFORMAT_SUBTYPE_IEC61937_DTS_HD
00000516 0.28720888 [1324]
00000517 0.28720888 [1324] wSamplesPerBlock : 16
00000518 0.28720888 [1324] Valid bits per sample : 16
00000519 0.28720888 [1324] dwChannelMask : 255
00000520 0.28720888 [1324]
00000521 0.28720888 [1324] WAVEFORMATEX :
00000522 0.28720888 [1324] wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE
00000523 0.28720888 [1324] Channels : 8
00000524 0.28720888 [1324] Bits per sample : 16
00000525 0.28720888 [1324] Samples per second : 192000
00000526 0.28720888 [1324] nBlockAlign : 16
00000527 0.28720888 [1324] nAvgBytesPerSec : 3072000
00000528 0.28720888 [1324]
00000529 0.28730148 [1324] TffdshowDecAudio::deliverSampleBistream Delivering IEC sample format type 1041 - sample size 2468 - buffer length 32768
00000530 0.28738225 [1324] Media Type Structure
00000531 0.28738225 [1324] Format type : FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
00000532 0.28738225 [1324] Sub type : MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM
00000533 0.28738225 [1324]


See in the first one is say "No picture"? What does that mean?

[clsid]

That's probably video related.

[SamuriHL]

I agree. But the interesting part is that's the difference between the mkvmerge created file (bottom log) that breaks up and doesn't play and the makemkv made file (top log) that works flawlessly. They SHOULD be identical because I took the makemkv made file and used that as input for mkvmerge. Using haali, the mkvmerge file doesn't work. Just trying to figure out why.

[liquidskin76]

I was thinking a month or so ago... I could have sworn haali worked during the beta testing for ffdshow HD audio bitstreaming.

Do you remember samuri, seb, rica?

I've tested old builds of haali and ffdshow (right back to the first release of HD audio bitstreaming) however no luck.

[SamuriHL]

No, it never worked. For DTS-HD MA anyway. It works fine for TrueHD. And it works fine for DTS-HD MA MKV's made with MakeMKV. I can't get Haali to split DTS-HD MA m2ts/ts files so I can't test that. :rolleyes: Honestly, at this point, I'd be SUPER FREAKING PSYCHED if the MPC splitter was updated to handle PGS subs in MKV's. I'm seriously.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Honestly, at this point, I'd be SUPER FREAKING PSYCHED if the MPC splitter was updated to handle PGS subs in MKV's. I'm seriously.Indeed...

When was MPC's splitter (or splitters) last updated? I ask because PGS subs in .M2TS files appear to work!

[dbone1026]

Indeed...

When was MPC's splitter (or splitters) last updated? I ask because PGS subs in .M2TS files appear to work!

I submitted a feature request on the MPC HC thread regarding adding support for PGS with the MPC splitter. Hopefully someone is listening!!!

[SamuriHL]

Yea, it supports PGS in m2ts, just not MKV, so, "in theory" it shouldn't be too difficult to add it.

[DrNein]

What can cause LPCM to playback slow while video is normal speed? It is happening with both ffdshow and MPC-HC internal transform filter. HD bitstream is normal.

[Sebastiii]

I submitted a feature request on the MPC HC thread regarding adding support for PGS with the MPC splitter. Hopefully someone is listening!!!

Hi,

Casimir666 has added support for MPC Matroska Splitter for PGS sub today

Thanks to him
And it's working great
Seb.

[SamuriHL]

I'm about to try it momentarily. This is great. However, Seb, is this 32 bit only? Is there a 64 bit version? I'd actually need both in my setup. Thanks!

[Sebastiii]

It's only 32bit, i have only compil 32bit.
I don't know how compil x64 :(
Sorry :(
Seb.

Edit : MatroskaSplitter_x64 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/mediaportal/MatroskaSplitter_x64.rar)
Cool, it's simple to compil x64, but i don't know if it's work lol :)

[SamuriHL]

No worries. I'll take care of setting up a build when I get home next weekend if I need to. I'm having a couple issues with it but nothing major. It's not acknowledging the default. So if I have the subs NOT set to default it still picks the first one. Not sure who's issue that is (ffdshow or the splitter). And ffdshow isn't showing me any text on the subs (the labels for the sub aka "eng") but so far, it's working! SO KUEL!

[Sebastiii]

Look my edit :)

I have change in FFDshow code dansk to danisk to make it work when we set danisk in mediaportal.
It's maybe not related but maybe :)
If any text on sub it's maybe ffdshow that didn't know infoo parse by splitter or splitter that not parsing the name.
I hope x64 works for you :)

[SamuriHL]

I need to request something of albain. Albain, buddy, if you're listening this would be helpful and I know what you're going to tell me. But I think this would be useful. :) First, I'm not sure who's not following the defaults properly. If I set NO subs to default, then I don't want subs playing. Now, here's my small request...can we have a "NONE" option on the actual subtitle menu? I know what you're going to say...just disable subtitles. That's not necessarily what I want, either. I just maybe want to turn them off for that one movie and not have to worry about enabling it again for the next movie. As for the text parsing, it's not parsing the ones done in MKVMerge, so, that's probably my fault for not setting the title. I'll fix it later. It's parsing the MakeMKV made ones just fine.

[liquidskin76]

Samuri,

Not sure if you tested this but i've tried the dts-ma sample provided by rica (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1408828#post1408828), that was muxed using the new smm mkv muxer (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154055&highlight=smm).

Got the same result as a mkvmerge created mkv, using haali. So it's not just a mkvmerge issue. Gotta be either a haali issue or ffdshow issue i guess? Did you have any luck with getting in touch with mike@haali or albain?

Cheers

[SamuriHL]

I haven't tested it, but, that sucks. Well, sort of sucks. That at least shows the issue is with Haali. And maybe Haali will fix it. The splitter Seb posted mostly works quite well. Not sure where the issues lie on that but overall PGS subs are detected. I have one MakeMKV created file that won't play with it. At all. It has 2 audio tracks and 2 subs. No idea why it refuses to play with that splitter.

[rica]

Got the same result as a mkvmerge created mkv, using haali. So it's not just a mkvmerge issue. Gotta be either a haali issue or ffdshow issue i guess? Did you have any luck with getting in touch with mike@haali or albain?


No mate, it's not albain's job since solveig mkv can be splitted by solveig splitter ( ffdshow is being used)
So the issue comes from haali definitely.

Please check this section of http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155221:


Splitting mkv merge mkv files with:

1)haali:dtshd-ma doesn't work, thd -no ac3 core- works (haali splitter > ffdshow > d.direct sound)

2)gabest:both dtshd-ma and thd-no ac3 core- works (MPC matroska source(gabest) ffdshow > d.direct sound)

3)solveig: both dtshd-ma and thd-no ac3 core- works (file source(async) > Solveig matroska splitter > ffdshow > d.direct sound


Splitting solveig mkv files with:

1)haali:dtshd-ma doesn't work, thd works (haali splitter > ffdshow > d.direct sound)
2)gabest:doesn't work.
3)solveig: both dtshd-ma and thd works (file source(async) > Solveig matroska splitter > ffdshow > d.direct sound

[SamuriHL]

So get PGS subs in solveig and we're in business. ;)

[Skinleech]

Ok, so I finally got round to installing the Realtek HDMI driver and uninstalling the Xonar - all works fine ffdshow.

TMT3 v.180 however is horrendous. Dolby Digital tracks don't light up on my AVR but the audio runds at 3 or 4 times speed. TrueHD does light up on the AVR but the video is a slideshow. In both cases I get no audio. This was with the physical disk Star Trek BD.

Any ideas on the compatibility between Realtek 2.49 and TMT3? TMT ise set up to use the ATI card, and I've not a fresh install, including the removal of all reg entries. I'd really like to have both playing ball together otherwise it's back to Xonar for audio and the ATI for video.

Thanks.

[SamuriHL]

There is no compatibility. At all. You'll be waiting for a future patch from ArcSoft to fix that. It won't even decode to PCM properly. It's insane.

[Skinleech]

Bugger, I thought you'd say that.

So, is that it then - I need the Realtek driver to bitstream using ffdshow, but I need the ATI driver to bitstream in TMT?

Lame.

[SamuriHL]

No no no no. You can bitstream with EVERYTHING using the ATI driver. There's NO NEED to use the realtek driver at all.

[liquidskin76]

Bugger, I thought you'd say that.

So, is that it then - I need the Realtek driver to bitstream using ffdshow, but I need the ATI driver to bitstream in TMT?

Lame.

That was early days! The ATI drivers all good now!!

Cheers

[Skinleech]

Oh, hooray.

My bad - an earlier post metioned the Realtek drivers were the ones to use. Will sort that out later in that case.

Thanks for the good new fellas!

[SamuriHL]

If you need a fix for the silent stream bug, check out the anti-pop thread at SlySoft in the ReClock forum. That, IMO, is the only real issue left with the ATI driver and with that work around the ATI driver, for me, is clearly the best thing to use.

[Skinleech]

Awesome, thanks. Been out all day so will try it in an hour or so before we wit down to watch something.

Cheers for the help as always...

[SamuriHL]

If you have any problems, let me know. I've got it working great. I've got some stuff to do this week with MKV's. I've been gone for a week so we'll see how much things have improved.

[Skinleech]

Did it earlier, works like a charm - I have some Iron Maiden in DTS-HD MA pumping out of the speakers as I type.

Ffdshow works perfectly too, though the first file I tried took about 20 seconds to lock on to the audio stream, but the video was playing the whole time, so it pasued for another 20 to catch up. Other than that it all seems fine.

Huzzah, and bye bye Xonar!

[SamuriHL]

Check your settings in ffdshow. The compatibility options. Also check what renderer you're using. I have the connect as pcm first unchecked and try all formats as the option I use. I'm just using the "system default" renderer in MPC-HC.

[Skinleech]

Good point, I'll check that later.

What's the deal with ffdhsow revisions as well, I'm using quite an old one which was mentioned as working best with the Xonar. Is there any particular revision I should go for, or is the newest one fine?

Thanks again.

[nevcairiel]

The newest one is fine for me and my Xonar.

Only thing i can recommend is getting the "official" builds by clsid from sourceforge. I had some weird crashes with the builds from xvidvideo.ru

[SamuriHL]

Holy snikes! Yea, get the latest one. :) I currently am using the ones from xvidvideo.ru and don't seem to have any problems. I have both 32 and 64 bit builds so I can play MKV's in both WMP and 7MC. :)

[SamuriHL]

I need to request something of albain. Albain, buddy, if you're listening this would be helpful and I know what you're going to tell me. But I think this would be useful. :) First, I'm not sure who's not following the defaults properly. If I set NO subs to default, then I don't want subs playing. Now, here's my small request...can we have a "NONE" option on the actual subtitle menu? I know what you're going to say...just disable subtitles. That's not necessarily what I want, either. I just maybe want to turn them off for that one movie and not have to worry about enabling it again for the next movie. As for the text parsing, it's not parsing the ones done in MKVMerge, so, that's probably my fault for not setting the title. I'll fix it later. It's parsing the MakeMKV made ones just fine.

albain,

Did you get a chance to look at this post? I'm more concerned about following the default subtitle than I am anything else. ffdshow doesn't seem to respect the default setting. If no default subtitle track is set, ffdshow should set subs to "none". Otherwise it should honor whatever track is set to default. (I always set forced subs to default if there are any and none if there aren't, for example). Is this something that's possible? Thanks!

[cge]

Hi,
Another note about PGS subs, how to only display the forced subtitles which are in the normal PGS ?
Regards
Christophe

[SamuriHL]

The way I do it is to split them out into their own track and set that track to default. However, if ffdshow doesn't honor the default flag (or the splitter isn't...either way) then it doesn't work well. But when you make your MKV, create a separate forced track and set it to default.

[cge]

Hi Samuri,
Thanks for the hint, I'm using Blurip to do it, it's also able to mux nativ PGS and split into 2 tracks if there are forced sub !
Regarding the default sub track, I'm experiencing the same problem when I use Gabest splitter but that works fine with Haali which have a "No subtitles" choise (Visible when you right click on its tray icon) selected by default when no other tracks are set to default, unfortunately Haali doesn't work with DTS HD at least for me... So far I haven't found a good solution to be able to bitstream HD audio and correctly managed subs in 7MC, I guess it's more like a splitter issue than a sub renderer one !
Regards
Christophe

[SamuriHL]

I'm not sure yet. But, a new version of a new splitter just got posted and I just got back from my annual camping trip so I'll give that a try. I should have some time this week. We'll find out for sure where the issue with default subs happens to be. The reason it works with Haali is because there's an interface to be able to select it, and none is an option. The only way to get none with ffdshow is to turn off subs. Anyway, we'll see what we can come up with.

[jasonwc]

I found a weird issue after remuxing the Nordic Black Hawk Down BD which includes a DTS-HD MA 7.1 track. When I attempt to playback the video in Mediaportal or MPC-HC using ffdshow as the DTS decoder, it displays 8 channel DTS. However, the core DTS track is only 5.1. The audio is sped up to what seems to be 1.5x speed, and sounds like Alvin & the Chipmunks. The core plays fine in the MPC-HC internal DTS decoder.

This is what eac3to 3.22 displays about the track:

2: DTS Master Audio, 7.1 (strange setup) channels, 16 bits, 48kHz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 16 bits, 1509kbps, 48kHz)
"DTS 5.1 @ 1509 Kbps"

It appears the issue is only with libavcodec. libdts works fine. No issues with MPC-HC's DTS decoder, either.

[SamuriHL]

FYI, the nVidia GTX 460 is apparently working with ffdshow according to reports from users on AVSForum. Albain, your bitstreaming code rocks man. :)

[jasonwc]

I have found some FLAC files that do not play properly with the ffdshow FLAC decoder. When merged into an MKV, they cause playback to stall in MPC-HC SVN rev. 2099. MPC-HC stalls at 1 frame rendered, at 0 fps.

The MKV plays without issue when using the MPC-HC FLAC decoder or MadFLAC.

Both FLACs were sourced from Blu-Rays (DTS-HD MA and LPCM, respectively)

Samples:

Everlasting Moments Sample w/ FLAC 5.1 Track :http://www.mediafire.com/?htglad3iozbdt2d

Close-Up Sample w/ FLAC 1.0 Track: http://www.mediafire.com/?goulfu8ylc6ycds

Tested with MPC-HC SVN rev. 2099, Haali 05/20/2010, ffdshow build 3488, and madFLAC 1.8

[rica]

albain,

when i want to use PCM streaming feature of ffdshow, i have to untick all the bitstream boxes and just leave "connect as PCM first" box ticked.
Reverse, when i want to use bitstreaming feature of ffdshow, this time i have to tick all the bitstream boxes and untick " connect as PCM first" box.

Please, i need a handy solution: what about just switching to:
"bitstream only" or "PCM only" boxes? Just two boxes?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Another request: Pls make ffdshow to select 16 or 24 bithdepth automatically by its own for PCM streaming.


_ _ _ _

[Skinleech]

albain,

when i want to use PCM streaming feature of ffdshow, i have to untick all the bitstream boxes and just leave "connect as PCM first" box ticked.
Reverse, when i want to use bitstreaming feature of ffdshow, this time i have to tick all the bitstream boxes and untick " connect as PCM first" box.

Please, i need a handy solution: what about just switching to:
"bitstream only" or "PCM only" boxes? Just two boxes?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Another request: Pls make ffdshow to select 16 or 24 bithdepth automatically by its own for PCM streaming.


_ _ _ _

I've noticed similar, though it's only DD2.0 tracks that I have an issue with when bitstreaming with Connect as PCM ticked. Everything else is ok, but MPC tried to load conflicting audio filters, which results in the file not playing. As soon as connect as PCM is unticked the file plays fine.

[mata7]

i use last version of ffdshow and bitstream everything fine, but can someone please tell me why FFDshow shows Input 96000 Hz, 8 Channels 1536kbps DTS(bitsream)? DTS-MA suppose have higher bitrates right? , is this a bug or something

my receiver denon 4310 display DTS-MA on the GUI but i wonder why ffdshow show 1536 bitrates

thanks in advance

[SamuriHL]

Yes, it's a bug. Ignore it.

[mata7]

great, thanks samurihl

[rica]

Hi guys, i just gave it a go with my nVidia 460.

Results:

With mpc-hc.

bitstreaming is OK with Direct Sound Device.
PCM streaming is OK without downsampling via ReClock.


With Corel WinDVD 10.

bitstreaming is OK.
PCM streaming downsamples to 48/16 as expected.

[SamuriHL]

Very nice results. It may influence my decision when I replace the card in my bedroom HTPC.

[rica]

So it's time to get rid of my hybrid system :)

PS: Anyway neither intel Clarkdale nor nVidia has any override issues with my Denon 1910.
Hi AMD/Ati :) You still need our friend tulli.

[SamuriHL]

Still? I thought 10.6 fixed all that crap? Anyway, I don't have bitstreaming capability in my bedroom just yet. However, I may be getting a sound system upgrade in a month or two for the bedroom. If I do, then I'm going to want a new card and may seriously look into the nVidia cards. Especially since that machine is connected to a 24hz capable LCD screen.