ffdshow tryout project : HD audio discussion

[dbone1026]

Still? I thought 10.6 fixed all that crap? Anyway, I don't have bitstreaming capability in my bedroom just yet. However, I may be getting a sound system upgrade in a month or two for the bedroom. If I do, then I'm going to want a new card and may seriously look into the nVidia cards. Especially since that machine is connected to a 24hz capable LCD screen.

Yeah, I think the EDID override is no longer needed, when I moved to 10.6 I was able to avoid the EDID override I did previously

[rica]

Yeah, I think the EDID override is no longer needed, when I moved to 10.6 I was able to avoid the EDID override I did previously

Thanks, samuri and dbone: i'll give it a go with my 5770 again.

EDIT: Yes it works without an EDID override, thx.

[jubarim]

Yeah, I think the EDID override is no longer needed, when I moved to 10.6 I was able to avoid the EDID override I did previously

Hi Damian and Rica,

I am new to HD Audio and I am using Realtek drivers for my HD 5670 HDMI out (I saw that in http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/02/02/guide-setting-up-bitstreaming-with-your-windows-7-htpc-part-i/). Are you guys using ATI HDMI driver now? Can you tell me which one is better? Thanks a lot!

[dbone1026]

Hi Damian and Rica,

I am new to HD Audio and I am using Realtek drivers for my HD 5670 HDMI out (I saw that in http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/02/02/guide-setting-up-bitstreaming-with-your-windows-7-htpc-part-i/). Are you guys using ATI HDMI driver now? Can you tell me which one is better? Thanks a lot!

I did a clean install on my HTPC and just went with the Catalyst 10.6 driver, haven't noticed any issues vs using the ATI HDMI driver. Not sure is the silent bug is still around with the Catalyst driver (and I think you still need the Catalyst driver if you use TMT)

[SamuriHL]

Silent stream bug is still there in 10.7. But that's the driver I'm using, too, for TMT.

[jubarim]

Thanks for the information guys, I will check out later what does this silent stream bug is...

I asked you guys because I have to format my htpc (viruses...), so I would install the correct drivers.

[PatkIllA]

After another EDID programming i now get bitstreaming of dts-hd, dts-hr and true hd in Graphstudio with my 5870.
One thing I cannot get working are multi language files.
In MPC HC I cannot switch at all (although I can change in GraphStudio using MPCs filters) and in my favorite player Zoom Player switching only works with haali media splitter which doesn't work with dts hd at all for me.

[SamuriHL]

Yea, Haali is habitually broken for bitstreaming DTS-HD MA. You should be able to switch in MPC-HC though. That's odd.

[PatkIllA]

With the default settings I get mutiple ffdshow audio decoder instances in the graph with MPC HC.
I can limit it to one instance in the audio decoder options but this does not bring me audio switching.

[nevcairiel]

Are we talking MKV here? The MPC-HC MKV Splitter does not have built in switching, however MPC-HC comes with its own audio switcher. You should be able to select which stream is actually playing, even though you have multiple instances in the graph.

[Qaq]

Yea, Haali is habitually broken for bitstreaming DTS-HD MA.
HS can parse DTS HD from MKV, but sooo sloooow. Haven't checked buffer size though.

[dbone1026]

HS can parse DTS HD from MKV, but sooo sloooow. Haven't checked buffer size though.

There is actually a bug (we think on Haali's side) where an mkv created with MakeMKV would bitstream DTS(MA) without issue but any mkv created with MKVMerge that has a DTS(MA) audio track stutters like crazy to the point where it is completely unplayable. .

[SamuriHL]

Yea, once MKVMerge touches it at all, Haali will no longer work for bitstreaming if it's a DTS-HD MA track. And I mean, AT ALL. For instance, opening a MakeMKV MKV that works, changing the default flag on a subtitle, and writing it back out...breaks it.

[PatkIllA]

Are we talking MKV here? The MPC-HC MKV Splitter does not have built in switching, however MPC-HC comes with its own audio switcher. You should be able to select which stream is actually playing, even though you have multiple instances in the graph.
I can switch if i use the build in audio decoder but not if I set ffdshow Audio decoder as prefered in the external filters section.

With m2ts files I have to go to context menu and use the source filters menu items to change the language. The audio switcher is active but only seeing one track. It is the same with both audio decoders.

All my mkv files are selfmade using the mkvtoolnix package

[fps]

After another EDID programming i now get bitstreaming of dts-hd, dts-hr and true hd in Graphstudio with my 5870.
One thing I cannot get working are multi language files.
In MPC HC I cannot switch at all (although I can change in GraphStudio using MPCs filters) and in my favorite player Zoom Player switching only works with haali media splitter which doesn't work with dts hd at all for me.
I couldn't switch audio tracks some time ago, too.
Enabling "Connect as PCM first (Try all formats)" in the ffdshow output tab fixed the issue.

[PatkIllA]

I couldn't switch audio tracks some time ago, too.
Enabling "Connect as PCM first (Try all formats)" in the ffdshow output tab fixed the issue.

That did the trick for me too. At least in MPC HC.
I'm still looking for a solution to have it running in Zoom Player.

I also noticed that Dolby Digital Plus does not play or causes stuttering for me.

[sirwoogie]

OK, I have scoured the Interwebs to figure this out, and I am at a dead end. I CANNOT get FFDSHOW to bitstream, no matter what combination. Here are my specs:

Windows XP SP3
ATI 5450 (Gigabyte)
HDMI to Onkyo TX-608
ATI native HDMI audio driver (10.7)
ATI Driver 10.5 (10.4 - 10.8 all give the same issue)
MPC 2099
FFDSHOW rev 3507
Windows set to 7.1 output
S/PDIF onboard disabled in BIOS
MPC: Overlay Mixer w/MPC Audio Renderer. External Filter: ffdshow Audio Decoder Prefer and H264/VC1 (ffmpeg) unchecked
FFDSHOW: Output: All pass-through checked, 16 and 24 checked, connect to any filter and "Connect first as PCM" checked

I cannot get any supported file format to bitstream. I get no audio and when I hover over the FFDSHOW icon in the traybar, It says "Output: S/PDIF (1401)"

If I remove the bitstream options, I get full LPCM and the receiver correctly gets Multichannel PCM.

I've also tried TMT >.170 and it doesn't even give me the options to bitstream (only says 7.1).

This is with full fresh installs of all drivers (safe mode with drive sweeper) and no other codec packs were used.

What the heck is wrong?

[ashman5]

Windows XP SP3

HD Bitstreaming only works with vista/7.

SPDIF bitstreaming should work with XP.

[Qaq]

HD Bitstreaming works under XP with HDAV 1.3.
I have 5450 (>onkyo 1007) and can't get bitstream (even SD) worked under XP (ok with 7). I thought it because of old Realtek driver for 3200 not completely deleted, but now i don't know.
sirwoogie, what video did you use before 5450? If you have onboard IGP, try disable it in BIOS and after that clean OS install may help (or not). One guy told me he had bitstream with 5450 and XP. But with XP and 5450 you won't get HD bitstream anyway.

[liquidskin76]

Has anyone tested the new version of Haali with DTS-HD yet? I've got a sneaky feeling it's sorted!

Won't be able to test until tonight (7hrs from now!).

[SamuriHL]

Nope. Haven't tried it. I'm in the office today so won't get to test anything til tomorrow at the earliest.

[rica]

I suppose it doesn't worth giving it a go.
No dtshd support appears.

14/08/2010
Fixed items:
Fixed aspect ratio processing in certain Matroska files, which caused errors on open



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[liquidskin76]

Nope, just tested... no change!

Samuri, did you manage to get hold of mike@haali?

Cheers

[SamuriHL]

Nope, just tested... no change!

Samuri, did you manage to get hold of mike@haali?

Cheers

Nope. Never got a response. Never seen anything mentioned about fixing DTS-HD MA issues. At this point, I've given up on Haali and moved on to other splitters. I like Haali, but, there are several issues that make it really difficult to work with. Fortunately in my setup, I can switch between 3 different splitters in both 32 and 64 bit environments at the press of a mouse click. :D

[rica]

Mpc-gabest and solveig; what else?
What is the third one?

[SamuriHL]

I keep Haali because some programs require it for certain tasks. (RipBot, eac3to). But I keep it unregistered in the 64 bit world completely, and I only register the MKV stuff in 32 bit land. The 32 bit TS splitter from Haali breaks TMT for me. That's why I register only what I need.

[mata7]

I keep Haali because some programs require it for certain tasks. (RipBot, eac3to). But I keep it unregistered in the 64 bit world completely, and I only register the MKV stuff in 32 bit land. The 32 bit TS splitter from Haali breaks TMT for me. That's why I register only what I need.

"I keep it unregistered in the 64" how you do that?

thanks

[liquidskin76]

There's also the new lavfsplitter. I think that will become the splitter of choice in the future as it's a one-stop-shop! It's gonna be mpc-hc's new internal splitter.

[nevcairiel]

Its far from finished, though. =)

[SamuriHL]

"I keep it unregistered in the 64" how you do that?

thanks

I have a set of batch files that take care of registering and unregistering the dll's and ax files for each splitter. I got sick of dealing with it manually. For Haali, I unregister the 64 bit files completely and leave them unregistered. That gives me the option of using MPC splitter or SMM splitter without worrying about Haali interfering.

[mata7]

I have a set of batch files that take care of registering and unregistering the dll's and ax files for each splitter. I got sick of dealing with it manually. For Haali, I unregister the 64 bit files completely and leave them unregistered. That gives me the option of using MPC splitter or SMM splitter without worrying about Haali interfering.

samuri can you please guide me how to unregister haali 64 bit and only leave as 32bit, i don't use haali now but i need it for Another EAC3to GUI Plus to work

thanks in advance

[SamuriHL]

samuri can you please guide me how to unregister haali 64 bit and only leave as 32bit, i don't use haali now but i need it for Another EAC3to GUI Plus to work

thanks in advance



@echo off
cd /d "C:\Program Files (x86)\Haali\MatroskaSplitter"

regsvr32 /u /s avi.x64.dll
regsvr32 /u /s dxr.x64.dll
regsvr32 /u /s mkx.x64.dll
regsvr32 /u /s mp4.x64.dll
regsvr32 /u /s ogm.x64.dll
regsvr32 /u /s splitter.x64.ax
regsvr32 /u /s ts.x64.dll


That leaves the 32 bit stuff untouched but unregisters the 64 bit. To re-register them, remove the /u from each line. Also, if you have UAC enabled, you must run the batch file as administrator.

[mata7]

thank you very much samuri work like charm :)

[SamuriHL]

No problem. Glad it worked!

[Skinleech]

Maybe this was fixed already and I missed it, but is there still an issue when bitstreaming and using software decoders?

I read a post on a blog (http://www.landofwhimsy.com/) that the latest cat drivers fix latency issues with pvr recordings etc, so wondered if it might fix this issue once and for all.

As I say, it may not be an issue anymore and I've not noticed.

[boiler11]

Any chance of ffdshow streaming truehd and dtsma on an Nvidia GTX 460 on Vista? I have tried with many audio renders (including mpc-hc) and multiple source files, and can't get it to work with my Onkyo TX-SR705.

People on avsforum are saying it works on Win7, but I don't want to upgrade that machine to Win7. I use the Vista photos screen saver all the time for pictures and videos. The Windows Live Version (the only option on Win7) won't play the whole video, only 10 seconds.

Thanks.

[rica]

For Vista you have one chance: MPC Audio Renderer
If it doesn't work call tulli.

[saphire199]

Hi, I am hoping this is the right place to ask this - I am having a conflict between ffdshow and my webcam software. I can open up the cam and mic just fine, but when I use the software that came with it (Dell Webcam Manager), it crashes if I have ffdshow installed. I did get a pop up that had different options in ffdshow (use this time, don't use, etc) but no matter which one I tried, still crashed. When I uninstalled ffdshow, the software for the cam worked fine. Unfortunately, I use ffdshow all the time as part of using BD Rebuilder, and there are so many things to play around with in ffdshow and I am a newbie at all this av stuff, I just get lost in trying to figure out what I should adjust to prevent this from happening. Any help would be appreciated - and if this belongs somewhere else, please point that out and I will move it. Thanks.

[Midzuki]

@ saphire199: you could try reducing the *merit level* of ALL ffdshow filters to "DO_NOT_USE" (0x00200000). IF even this does not work, then ffdshow is much buggier than I thought. :p Too bad that VideoForWindows is a "dead" technology. :devil: :D

[saphire199]

@midzuki Thanks, resetting merit level worked.

[djcla]

hi, im wondering if my problem is best placed here as this is the version of ffdshow i use from xvidvideo.ru

ANy idea why any AVI's i have with a DTS track in them stutter at the start of the video and about 60 mins into the film everytime guranteed this is when when using bitsteaming via FFDSHow?

I do not get this issue bitstreaming with MS audio decoder or MPC-HC own decoders.. I have FFDSHow audio decoder setup as an external filter in MPC-HC.

I do not get this issue with DD 5.1 or HD audio i use a an ATI 5670 via HDMI out to SOny 2400ES reciever

[mitsurugi77]

I´m trying to bitstream DTS-HD MA to my onkyo 5007 receiver through an HD5450 @ HDMI with MPC-HC but when i enable the bitstream in the ffdshow it simply won´t play the video correctly !

It just stutters and stop playing, but the receiver correctly recognizes the
HD stream, by it´s blue "HD" led that turns on.

Here´s what happens (this video is from a guy, who have the same proble like me):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKHt2Zve7g

Any thoughts?

[BSalita]

FWIW, I was only able to get bitstreaming to work to my Onkyo R380 after installing the following.

EDID override for Onkyo (see Tulli's thread on AVSForum.com) (must do Onkyo and current ATI drivers)
Realktek audio driver R2.54 (must do)
ATI 10.10d

You must select ATI HDMI driver as Realtek HDMI doesn't bitstream.

[dbone1026]

FWIW, I was only able to get bitstreaming to work to my Onkyo R380 after installing the following.

EDID override for Onkyo (see Tulli's thread on AVSForum.com) (must do Onkyo and current ATI drivers)
Realktek audio driver R2.54 (must do)
ATI 10.10d

You must select ATI HDMI driver as Realtek HDMI doesn't bitstream.

The Realtek HDMI driver does allow for bitstreaming, just not if you are using TMT3 where you must use the ATI HDMI driver

[Qaq]

I´m trying to bitstream DTS-HD MA to my onkyo 5007 receiver through an HD5450 @ HDMI with MPC-HC but when i enable the bitstream in the ffdshow it simply won´t play the video correctly !

It just stutters and stop playing, but the receiver correctly recognizes the HD stream, by it´s blue "HD" led that turns on.
Any thoughts?
hmmm... Haali splitter?

[mindbomb]

hmmm... Haali splitter?

even the latest haali splitter still have problems?

[dbone1026]

even the latest haali splitter still have problems?

Yes, a lot of issues with DTS(MA) in particular for mkvs that were created with mkvmerge

[mindbomb]

Yes, a lot of issues with DTS(MA) in particular for mkvs that were created with mkvmerge

so what exactly do you do if you have an mkv with pgs subtitles and dts ma audio?

forced to use lavfsplitter?

[SamuriHL]

so what exactly do you do if you have an mkv with pgs subtitles and dts ma audio?

forced to use lavfsplitter?

There's a bunch of ways to handle it. Solveig, MPC-HC internal splitter, LAVF....all work well. And DTS-HD MA works with Haali *IF* it's created with MakeMKV. But if it's touched by mkvmerge, it breaks. Don't ask me to explain it. Mosu says it's a Haali problem, and given that it's the only splitter that behaves like that I have to believe him.

[dbone1026]

so what exactly do you do if you have an mkv with pgs subtitles and dts ma audio?

forced to use lavfsplitter?

As SamuriHL mentioned there are several ways, here is one with MPC HC and FFDShow DXVA

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/06/24/mkvmania-%E2%80%93-displaying-pgs-subtitles-in-mkvs-using-mpc/

[mindbomb]

I've tried using the mpc internal matroska splitter with pgs subtitles, but it didnt work too well. MPC would basically freeze up for a minute, then the video would play but seeking would be broken.
I've since assumed that you can't use the internal mkv splitter with pgs subtitles, but this is not the case?
edit:
yea, i was wrong, it had more to do with how the mkv was made, the pgs subtitles were a red herring.

[Emilot]

Do we have any news about DTS-MA through analog outputs??

I mean like DTS-HD which is converted to LPCM Uncompressed and delivered to analog outputs.....

For those who don't have amplifier with HD capabilities...

Thank you...

[SamuriHL]

It's not an open spec. Therefore there's no open source decoder for it. I'm unaware of anyone working on one, either.

[Emilot]

It's not an open spec. Therefore there's no open source decoder for it. I'm unaware of anyone working on one, either.

Thank you Samuri....:rolleyes:

[SamuriHL]

Thank you Samuri....:rolleyes:

I share your sentiment about that info, just for the record. :) I wish there was an OSS decoder for it, as well. So far the ONLY commercial decoder that works for 7.1 that I know of is ArcSoft's. :rolleyes: indeed!

[Emilot]

I share your sentiment about that info, just for the record. :) I wish there was an OSS decoder for it, as well. So far the ONLY commercial decoder that works for 7.1 that I know of is ArcSoft's. :rolleyes: indeed!

Samuri i manage to have arcsoft hd audio decoder .126, which is the only one with full hd audio through analog and the latest arcsoft video decoder....to mpc...

But my main problem is with the subs in MPC which i cannot make them work(with the EVR Custom) because of Mpeg Demux of arcsoft...

Thanks for your consideration although....:)

[ontherocks]

What needs to be fixed or improved :
- Dolby Digital Plus bitstream on ATI 5xxx : this is likely due to a driver issue (ATI drivers don't support DD+ yet)

Any updates on this?
ATI Catalyst version 10 and above, does support bitstreaming Dolby Digital Plus. Have successfully tested it with Splash Player Pro.

[roeic]

Hi,

After much time I have finally managed to bitstream Dolby True HD and DTS MA HD via Xunar HDAV (Old Driver 6.12.8.1764 ) to my Onkyo TSRX606 reciever via MPC-HC (latest version avaivable) !!!.
I was so glad that I immediately tried to make it work with VMC/VMP (on Vista 32bit OS), however after many tries I have sadly failed.
What I did notice is that somehow MPC-HC force ffdshow-audio to "out" "Dolby AC3 SPDIF" where in regular rendering in graphstudio (or VMP) the "out" keep it as DVD LPCM. Attached pics of the graphs of both mpc-hc and rendering-graphstudio and the screenshots of ffdshow-audio "out" properites.

can anyone explain how MPC-HC force it like this ???

Any advice on how to make it work in VMC/VMP ???


Appriacte any help :) thx Roei.

[tiben20]

Hi,

After much time I have finally managed to bitstream Dolby True HD and DTS MA HD via Xunar HDAV (Old Driver 6.12.8.1764 ) to my Onkyo TSRX606 reciever via MPC-HC (latest version avaivable) !!!.
I was so glad that I immediately tried to make it work with VMC/VMP (on Vista 32bit OS), however after many tries I have sadly failed.
What I did notice is that somehow MPC-HC force ffdshow-audio to "out" "Dolby AC3 SPDIF" where in regular rendering in graphstudio (or VMP) the "out" keep it as DVD LPCM. Attached pics of the graphs of both mpc-hc and rendering-graphstudio and the screenshots of ffdshow-audio "out" properites.

can anyone explain how MPC-HC force it like this ???

Any advice on how to make it work in VMC/VMP ???


Appriacte any help :) thx Roei.
you can do that by going in ffdshow config in the output section
in "Output format for uncompressed or decoded streams"
check only 16bit LPCM
I just tested and its connecting like what you wanted in your print screen

[roeic]

Hi,

Thanks for the advise.

I also manage to achieve it last night after removing all startup services from "msconfig". (The configuration you stated is the only one that works with MPC-HC and so I have been using only it ever since I started testing)
But the problem still exist in Windows Vista Media Player / Media Center (32bit), probably because these lousy apps uses "DirectSound Audio Renderer".

I have tried to replace the CLSID of:

Defualt DirectSound Device
Defualt MidiOut Device
Defualt WaveOut Device
Digital Output (ASUS Xonar HDAV 1.3
DirectSound: Digital Output (ASUS Xonar HDAV 1.3

to the CLSID of ASAudioRenderer.dll (Arcsoft Renderer) and succedd in the replacement ! (now Gspot shows ASAudioRenderer.dll instead of Quartz.dll in the proper devices)
BUT Vista Media Player/Media Center still not sending bitstream to the reciever but only PCM 5.1 with noieses (for Dolby TrueHD) or SPDIF with no sound (for DTS-MA HD).
These apps probably (I assume) load Quartz.dll directly instead of relying on the registry information.

Do you or anyone know on how to Bitstream in Vista MP/MC BUT on the XONAR card ???

Anyone have an idea on how to force Visat MP/MC to use Arcsoft Audio Renderer rather than default DirectSound Renderer (Assumable Quartz.dll) ????

I have no more ideas ?? any advise is appreciated :)

Thx:)

[Skinleech]

FYI, anyone who is still struggling with bitstreaming DTS-HD MA with Haali, it's easily fixed.

Open Mkvmerge Gui & select Header Editor from the File menu. Open your mkv, and under default duration for the audio track(s) Add Element and enter 10666666. Save the header and you're done. I've done a bunch of my files and they all work fine in Haali now.

I stumbled upon this on a random forum last week (can't recall where now) so it may be old news already.

[SamuriHL]

It is. :) I think Mosu made a change in mkvmerge to fix it automagically.

[robpdotcom]

The change in mmg only fixes new files though - to fix one made before the change, the header editor is MUCH faster than remuxing.

BTW: I've had a few THD files that play out of sync with Haali. Adding 833333 to the default duration seemed to fix those.

automagically.

BTW2: Typo, or play on words?:p

[SamuriHL]

The change in mmg only fixes new files though - to fix one made before the change, the header editor is MUCH faster than remuxing.


Ah, yes, you're right, of course.


BTW: I've had a few THD files that play out of sync with Haali. Adding 833333 to the default duration seemed to fix those.


Hmm, hadn't seen that one. Neat!


BTW2: Typo, or play on words?:p

No typo. :) I use that word a lot. I'm a software engineer, so, a lot of what I do is magic. :D

[Skinleech]

It is. :) I think Mosu made a change in mkvmerge to fix it automagically.

Ah, seems I'm .3 versions out of the latest, so yeah I guess it's fixed. I stopped caring as I stopped using Haali but when I saw the fix thought I'd try.

Guess I should update mmg :o

[SamuriHL]

Ah, seems I'm .3 versions out of the latest, so yeah I guess it's fixed. I stopped caring as I stopped using Haali but when I saw the fix thought I'd try.

Guess I should update mmg :o

I haven't been using haali lately either. LAVF has gotten to a point now where I find it quite usable. And we know where to find Nev if it breaks. :D Anyway, yea, you should upgrade mmg.

[robpdotcom]

The only reason I use Haali is because I started backing up seamless branching BluRays with ordered chapter mkv's - and so far, only Haali will play them correctly.

Other than that, LAVF is my new splitter of choice.

[SamuriHL]

Maybe Nev will add support for that. He wants to work on BD support next I think. You can always ask. :)

[robpdotcom]

I've mentioned it, and I think he said it's low on the priority list. Understandably so, since I don't hear of many other users messing around with ordered chapters. Although, from what I've read, it does seem to be catching on in the Anime/torrent world.

I think when someone starts to work on menus for Matrsoska people will start to utilize the ordered chapters a bit more. Imagine being able to back up an entire Bluray such as Avatar, with the director's cut, extended, and theatrical version, and have full menu support - all in one mkv file that is much smaller than what would be needed if you saved each version separately. Imo, that should be one of the ultimate goals.

Anyway, don't want to drive this topic any further off topic.

And btw, thanks for my new favorite word: Automagically :cool:

[ontherocks]

What needs to be fixed or improved :
- Dolby Digital Plus bitstream on ATI 5xxx : this is likely due to a driver issue (ATI drivers don't support DD+ yet)

Any updates on this?
ATI Catalyst version 10 and above, does support bitstreaming Dolby Digital Plus. Have successfully tested it with Splash Player Pro.

[SamuriHL]

Any updates on this?
ATI Catalyst version 10 and above, does support bitstreaming Dolby Digital Plus. Have successfully tested it with Splash Player Pro.

I haven't seen ANY player that is able to bitstream DD+ on an AMD card, regardless of what the driver claims to support. IMO, it lies. You're absolutely positive you're getting DD+ with SPP?

[Andy o]

Just installed the trial of SP Pro, and no workie. TrueHD yes, DD+ no. From m2ts from the Dolby demo bluray. 5770 with both Realtek 2.55 and the one that comes with Cat 11.3

[SamuriHL]

Yea I haven't seen any REAL reports of DD+ working on an AMD card. I've seen PDVD's unique bug where it displays DD+ but it's not really.

[Andy o]

Well luckily no REAL blu-rays have DD+!

[SamuriHL]

Not so lucky is that the broadcast industry is moving to the DD+ standard "someday".

[Andy o]

Yeah, but unless they support 7.1, I don't think I'll mind just doing regular DD.

[SamuriHL]

That's an interesting question. I don't know what the plans are for their rollout of DD+. I suspect they'll want it for VOD and that type of stuff. Netflix and Vudu are already doing DD+ but I'm not sure about 7.1.

[Andy o]

Do you know any Netflix movies that have DD+? I haven't run into any and I wanna check it out.

I don't watch movies on NF instant though... quality sucks sucks sucks. Especially those starz movies.

[dbone1026]

I am having issues with my 5670 GPU.... oh wait, sorry, saw you guys and I thought this was the 'ATI HD 5000 Series Known Problems' thread on AVS :p

[SamuriHL]

Do you know any Netflix movies that have DD+? I haven't run into any and I wanna check it out.

I don't watch movies on NF instant though... quality sucks sucks sucks. Especially those starz movies.

These were instant view. And through my PS3 the quality is good good good. :) But NOT the same on the 360 or PC streaming. Whatever they're doing on the PS3 client the quality is much higher than anywhere else. I can look later if I have time and try to find one that has DD+.

[SamuriHL]

I am having issues with my 5670 GPU.... oh wait, sorry, saw you guys and I thought this was the 'ATI HD 5000 Series Known Problems' thread on AVS :p

LOL! You have no problems. It's ALL WORKING PERFECTLY. ;)

[Andy o]

These were instant view. And through my PS3 the quality is good good good. :) But NOT the same on the 360 or PC streaming. Whatever they're doing on the PS3 client the quality is much higher than anywhere else. I can look later if I have time and try to find one that has DD+.

Yeah, I was talking about those. I've had a PS3 for a while now. Specifically the starz content is bad because many times they don't respect the original aspect ratio. If they're not cropping older movies to 4:3, they're cropping newer 2.35:1 movies into 16:9. Also black levels are all over the place. Check out Brooklyn's Finest, for example.

Also, you might not notice this on most TVs, but for instance the Pioneers have automatic inverse telecine for content originally shot at 24 fps. I output my PS3 at 1080i, and I can watch that content refreshed at 72 Hz. All good, except starz doesn't preserve usual 2-3 cadence, and all is effed up. Some TV content like Psych look just fine at 24p/72Hz.

[SamuriHL]

Yeah, I was talking about those. I've had a PS3 for a while now. Specifically the starz content is bad because many times they don't respect the original aspect ratio. If they're not cropping older movies to 4:3, they're cropping newer 2.35:1 movies into 16:9. Also black levels are all over the place. Check out Brooklyn's Finest, for example.

Also, you might not notice this on most TVs, but for instance the Pioneers have automatic inverse telecine for content originally shot at 24 fps. I output my PS3 at 1080i, and I can watch that content refreshed at 72 Hz. All good, except starz doesn't preserve usual 2-3 cadence, and all is effed up. Some TV content like Psych look just fine at 24p/72Hz.

That's pretty screwy. I don't watch a lot of content on instant watch. Mostly I'm watching tv shows and stuff. For movies, I get the blu-ray cause clearly I'm all about the quality. :) Vudu isn't bad. I just checked them out recently. I rented Machete 1080p before I ended up buying it on BD. The quality, for streaming, was acceptable.

[dbone1026]

I saw you guys mentioned SP Pro, what is the benefit of that over a player such as MPC HC? I take it SP Pro uses all its own codecs/filters, so you cannot replace as you can with MPC HC. Looking at the FAQ comparison SP Pro looks like it can barely play back anything (the HD-Cam version looks like the only useful one)

[SamuriHL]

I don't use it. Hadn't ever heard of it until it was mentioned as being able to do DD+ on an AMD card. However the only real way to test that theory is to bitstream a 7.1 DD+ stream and see if you do, in fact, get 7.1 channels. Every time I've tried that with anything on an AMD card, it fails. PDVD incorrectly marks DD tracks on a BD as DD+. It's *NOT* DD+....it's just mislabeling it somehow. (Neat trick, though).

[Andy o]

Me either, "Ontherocks" mentioned it. S/he also mentioned the same about it being able to bitstream DD+ at Tulli's EDID thread at AVS, Tulli said he'd check it out but didn't come back to it, so I just checked myself with the trial of SP Pro. It looks OK though, and it at least played m2ts files. I didn't test further. But yeah, no directshow, it's gonna be barely useful for us. Just look at VLC. No WASAPI exclusive, no bitstreaming, no DTS-HD decoding, no madVR, etc etc. If Slyplayer turns out to be what we've been hoping for, it's because James is one of us :).

[Andy o]

I don't use it. Hadn't ever heard of it until it was mentioned as being able to do DD+ on an AMD card. However the only real way to test that theory is to bitstream a 7.1 DD+ stream and see if you do, in fact, get 7.1 channels. Every time I've tried that with anything on an AMD card, it fails. PDVD incorrectly marks DD tracks on a BD as DD+. It's *NOT* DD+....it's just mislabeling it somehow. (Neat trick, though).

PDVD is probably just reading the 640kbps bitrate, which is not supposed to be on a traditional (DVD, HD-DVD) Dolby Digital stream.

[dbone1026]

Me either, "Ontherocks" mentioned it. S/he also mentioned the same about it being able to bitstream DD+ at Tulli's EDID thread at AVS, Tulli said he'd check it out but didn't come back to it, so I just checked myself with the trial of SP Pro. It looks OK though, and it at least played m2ts files. I didn't test further. But yeah, no directshow, it's gonna be barely useful for us. Just look at VLC. No WASAPI exclusive, no bitstreaming, no DTS-HD decoding, no madVR, etc etc. If Slyplayer turns out to be what we've been hoping for, it's because James is one of us :).

Is SlyPlayer even still in the works, I am getting the impression that it is the Keyser Soze of the media world?

[SamuriHL]

Yes, it is. Peer posted that it already plays avatar, some clearly progress is being made. I hope that if it doesn't bit stream natively that it allows us to use ffdshow or another dshow bitstreaming decoder.

[Bmwx5]

Hi! Guys, please, tell me, I outputed TrueHD and DTSHD Master by bitstream (from comp to receiver) and indicators HD lit up on the receiver and
the sound is normal from all 5 dynamics, but I don't understand, Why in this case ffdshow displays this:
"Input: Dolby TrueHD, 7.1, 96000 Hz, 327 kbps (bitstream)", "Output: HDMI bitstream (1402)".
File type is *.m2ts., although, in my opinion, the sound of TrueHD and DTSHD Master must be higher than 2000 kbps. But when I tested almost all of my files
with HD audio types, ffdshow displayed from 300 kbps to 1500 kbps (mainly it concerns not True-HD, but DTS-HD).
What is DTS core ? Is core only the part of DTS-HD or True-HD also has core ?

P.S. My htpc configuration:
a) hardware: videocard Asus GTS 450 (can output HD audio by bitstream), Windows 7 32 bit, receiver Onkyo 508 (supports all HD formats);
b) software: MPC-HC (player), ffdshow (codecs) (for audio) and coreavc (for video for "CUDA nvidia"), haali media splitter.

P.P.S. When I tested HD files, which Rica referenced on ("dtshd_out" (m2ts and mkv) and "thd_out" (m2ts and mkv)), ffdshow displayed this:
"Input: Dolby TrueHD, 7.1, 96000 Hz, 1536 kbps (bitstream)", "Output: HDMI bitstream (1403)" - file "DTSHD_out" (m2ts and mkv)
and "Input: Dolby TrueHD, 5.1, 48000 Hz, 5220 kbps (bitstream)", "Output: HDMI bitstream (1402)" (m2ts and mkv) - file "THD_out".

[SamuriHL]

Don't worry about the display. It's a bug. If you're bitstreaming, you're getting the full HD audio experience at whatever the bitrate actually is.

[ontherocks]

I haven't seen ANY player that is able to bitstream DD+ on an AMD card, regardless of what the driver claims to support. IMO, it lies. You're absolutely positive you're getting DD+ with SPP?

Just installed the trial of SP Pro, and no workie. TrueHD yes, DD+ no. From m2ts from the Dolby demo bluray. 5770 with both Realtek 2.55 and the one that comes with Cat 11.3

Yes it indeed does bitstream DD+. The display shows DD+ in my Onkyo HT-R380.
Try with the demo trailers from here http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/high-definition-trailers.php
Download the following from the above website and test it with Splash Player Pro.

Dolby Digital Plus (Lossless) [Filename --> hd_dolby_digital_plus_lossless.m2ts]
Dolby Digital Plus Channel Check (Lossless) [Filename --> hd_dolby_digital_plus_channel_check_lossless.m2ts]

Don't forget to set the following in Splash Player Pro as in the image below

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4198/capture30012011140258.png

Its indeed a crappy player, I don't use it myself. But surprisingly its the only player I have come across that can bitsteram DD+.

[SamuriHL]

Weird. I'll have to check that out.

[SamuriHL]

So it seems that the AMD hardware can, in fact, bit stream eac3. Nevcairiel does it now in lav audio. Looks like it's been a bug in ffdshow as to why it wasn't working for us.

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[joeydrunk]

Dude are you crazy, vudu looks absolutely amazing. It looks nearly identical to bluray on hdx with good bandwith. By the way thanx for the help with lav splitter. I still havnt been able to integrate mpchc in xbmc so I'm using a build with dsplayer/ffdshow to bitsream for the time being.
That's pretty screwy. I don't watch a lot of content on instant watch. Mostly I'm watching tv shows and stuff. For movies, I get the blu-ray cause clearly I'm all about the quality. :) Vudu isn't bad. I just checked them out recently. I rented Machete 1080p before I ended up buying it on BD. The quality, for streaming, was acceptable.

[SamuriHL]

For a streaming service, VUDU is by far the best of the bunch, but, it's nowhere near as good as blu-ray itself. You should try using LAV Audio for bitstreaming and see how that works for you. ffdshow still has a bug where EAC3 can't be bitstreamed.

[Andy o]

TrueHD 7.1 decoding is apparently broken. The rear surrounds and side surrounds are swapped. Doesn't happen with LAV audio or the Arcsoft decoder. Samples:

File name: THD 7.1.mka File size: 37.97 MB (http://www.fileserve.com/file/HVT96qf)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20333665

[osupike99]

Does anyone have issues playing some MKV rips with DTS-HD soundtrack where there is a clicking sound coming from the speakers while DTS Core track is perfectly fine? I am using the latest FFDShow.


Alex

[SamuriHL]

I didn't have that issue when I was using ffdshow for bitstreaming, no. What receiver is it? And is it only happening in MKV rips? The splitter you're using?

[osupike99]

I didn't have that issue when I was using ffdshow for bitstreaming, no. What receiver is it? And is it only happening in MKV rips? The splitter you're using?
I used Pioneer Elite VSX-94, Pioneer Elite Sc-37, Onkyo TX-NR3007 and currently Integra DHC-80.2 preamp. All of the mentioned devices had/have the issue. I am using DSPlayer branch of XBMC so I guess I am using Haali splitter? How can I check this? This only happens on MKV rips. Used DVDFab with audiocopy and MakeMKV and same result.

Alex

[SamuriHL]

I used Pioneer Elite VSX-94, Pioneer Elite Sc-37, Onkyo TX-NR3007 and currently Integra DHC-80.2 preamp. All of the mentioned devices had/have the issue. I am using DSPlayer branch of XBMC so I guess I am using Haali splitter? How can I check this? This only happens on MKV rips. Used DVDFab with audiocopy and MakeMKV and same result.

Alex

There used to be an issue with DTS-HD MA using Haali with MKV's created with mkvmerge, but that's since been fixed. Honestly, I don't know what the issue could be. I have 2 Pio's myself, so, if it were a problem with ffdshow I'd have encountered it.

[osupike99]

Yeah, I have no idea myself. It is annoying though because the clicking sound circulates around all the speakers and at reference levels it is crazy loud. Hopefully someone else can chime in and have a miracle advice for me.

Alex

[Andy o]

Try using a player that more people use and don't have trouble with (MPC-HC), and use different filters until you isolate the culprit. LAV Splitter and LAV Audio can be used too to bitstream the HD codecs so you can test with those as well.

[osupike99]

I tried using MPC-HC and it is the same result. How/where can I get the LAV splitter and LAV audio?

alex

[Andy o]

Try the one from this post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1505422#post1505422 If you prefer installers, go to the first page of that thread.

[shaolin95]

Guys not sure if this requires its own thread but I read that ffdshow has some bug that defaults speakers to 5.1 even if I set them to 7.1 I am not getting ffdshow audio to convert my 5.1 movies to 7.1 sound so I am looking for some guidance.
Thanks!

[Andy o]

ffdshow doesn't do 5.1 to 7.1. You'll have to use DPLIIx in your receiver or in your audio card's settings if it has the option (like on the Xonar cards).

[shaolin95]

Yeah I decided to just do 5.1 because I am using analog inputs in my receiver in order to get my pc to decode truehd and dts hd (arcsoft decoder) to get the best audio quality I can get.
Thanks though :-)