ffdshow tryout project : HD audio discussion

[Sebastiii]

[Emphasis mine]
Not to be a downer here, but that seems to me like they believe in fixing drivers by praying. Methinks they have no idea if this is fixed.

Hi,

I confirm your answer, because i receive an email that AMD can't reproduce this issue and ask me to make clean install, bios etc.

I hope and pray that it find the solution :)
Seb.

[albain]

Hi,

I confirm your answer, because i receive an email that AMD can't reproduce this issue and ask me to make clean install, bios etc.

I hope and pray that it find the solution :)
Seb.

Damm it, they are lame, everybody has this issue

This not that complicated to reproduce.

They take MPC-HC, disable dxva decoders, and play a movie file with AC3 or DTS track in it

I am pretty sure that (if they really made some tests which is not sure) that they were in hardware acceleration mode

[tetsuo55]

Damm it, they are lame, everybody has this issue

This not that complicated to reproduce.

They take MPC-HC, disable dxva decoders, and play a movie file with AC3 or DTS track in it

I am pretty sure that (if they really made some tests which is not sure) that they were in hardware acceleration modetry reporting the bug again, or replying to what they said, but by using these instructions: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting

[Andy o]

He's talking about ATI support actually.

[Andy o]

Damm it, they are lame, everybody has this issue

This not that complicated to reproduce.

They take MPC-HC, disable dxva decoders, and play a movie file with AC3 or DTS track in it

I am pretty sure that (if they really made some tests which is not sure) that they were in hardware acceleration mode

We even know what's causing it, so it should be relatively easy for them to fix, you know, if they tried.

[Sebastiii]

hi,

I have answer and repeat information and surely cause by powerplay and describe how to make it work.
But i hope that some of you have open ticket too :)

I pretty sure that it doesn't go in software mode lol.
Seb.

[Skinleech]

I've mentioned before that the dropouts happen with the Xonar too when using software decoding, so it can't just be ATI surely? I have an Nvidia on board 8300 as my video card.

[tetsuo55]

He's talking about ATI support actually.so am i, the instructions are universal.

[Sebastiii]

I've mentioned before that the dropouts happen with the Xonar too when using software decoding, so it can't just be ATI surely? I have an Nvidia on board 8300 as my video card.

Strange and weird !

On my main PC with the same Motherboard and i have nvidia 9600GT on it, no dropout, i can chech with DPC Latency.

So i don't know why :)
Seb.

[tetsuo55]

Let me try again:

When reporting issues with ATI/AMD, please read this page (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting) before doing so.

ATI/AMD is especially bad with accepting issues, and what is written on that page will greatly increase the chances of ATI confirming the problem.

Every time they say "we cannot reproduce/no problem found" one or more of the 3 points are incomplete.

[albain]

Thanks Seb, I have your logs..... 1 Gb !

My text editor is warm:)

[SamuriHL]

Good luck. :) I hope you get it figured out before I get back next week. :)

[Sebastiii]

Let me try again:

When reporting issues with ATI/AMD, please read this page (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting) before doing so.

ATI/AMD is especially bad with accepting issues, and what is written on that page will greatly increase the chances of ATI confirming the problem.

Every time they say "we cannot reproduce/no problem found" one or more of the 3 points are incomplete.

Thank you :) i'll make this :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Thanks Seb, I have your logs..... 1 Gb !

My text editor is warm:)

Hi :)

Yes long sample lol :) i hope that it doesn't crash your text editor :) lol

[Andy o]

I've mentioned before that the dropouts happen with the Xonar too when using software decoding, so it can't just be ATI surely? I have an Nvidia on board 8300 as my video card.

The problem is not the audio drivers, is ATI Powerplay, which is a function of the graphics drivers. I hope it's nothing hardware-related though (unlikely as it is), cause it didn't happen with the 4000 series at all.

[Skinleech]

Strange and weird !

On my main PC with the same Motherboard and i have nvidia 9600GT on it, no dropout, i can chech with DPC Latency.

So i don't know why :)
Seb.

Thanks Seb. Weird indeed. I need to try the latest ffdshow still. What revision of the Nvidia drivers are you using?

The problem is not the audio drivers, is ATI Powerplay, which is a function of the graphics drivers. I hope it's nothing hardware-related though (unlikely as it is), cause it didn't happen with the 4000 series at all.

I wasn't saying it was audio drivers, simply pointing out that it's not an ATI specific issue to my eyes.

I don't have powerplay installed of course, and I still get dropouts when using software decoding like CoreAVC.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I'm on Win7 X64 on P6T, and my drivers is 8.16.11.9107 and date 27/09/2009.
Very strange issue !
Thanks
Seb.

[mikelebron]

What you guys are describing is exactly what happened when the XFI first hit the market... and it was DPC latency...

Its simple to check...
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Just run this test when your playing a movie... it took us a while to convince created but with this tool we were able to identify that the drivers were the culperity.. unfortunately some games were worse then other and never were completely fixed (in other words its a combination of poor design and poor drivers)

Thanks Seb. Weird indeed. I need to try the latest ffdshow still. What revision of the Nvidia drivers are you using?



I wasn't saying it was audio drivers, simply pointing out that it's not an ATI specific issue to my eyes.

I don't have powerplay installed of course, and I still get dropouts when using software decoding like CoreAVC.

[goemonate]

Has the bitstreaming DTS-MA issue with Pioneer AVR been fixed yet?

[SamuriHL]

Yup. Quite a while ago. :)

[Andy o]

I wasn't saying it was audio drivers, simply pointing out that it's not an ATI specific issue to my eyes.

I don't have powerplay installed of course, and I still get dropouts when using software decoding like CoreAVC.
Duh, I misread what you posted, I thought you were just using and 8300 board as a motherboard, sorry about that.

Anyway, there may be different causes for dropouts. Nvidia also has a Powerplay-like scheme that underclocks the gpu and memory. See if disabling that works. Or it just may be something else. Are there other people with similar setups having the same trouble?

[liquidskin76]

@All,

Check this out...

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10567.html

Looks like the perfect htpc graphics card is on the way in the passive 4650!

[albain]

Hi Seb,

I have one question : the logs you posted were from the starting point of the video or from another seeking point ?

Because when I compare TMT and FFDShow(w/ arcsoft renderer) logs, they are very different

[Skinleech]

What you guys are describing is exactly what happened when the XFI first hit the market... and it was DPC latency...

Its simple to check...
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Just run this test when your playing a movie... it took us a while to convince created but with this tool we were able to identify that the drivers were the culperity.. unfortunately some games were worse then other and never were completely fixed (in other words its a combination of poor design and poor drivers)

Thanks, I grabbed the tool, so I'll give software decoding a shot and see what happens. Crappy drivers certainly wouldn't surprise me on the part of Asus. There is a new version out though which I can try as well.

Duh, I misread what you posted, I thought you were just using and 8300 board as a motherboard, sorry about that.

Anyway, there may be different causes for dropouts. Nvidia also has a Powerplay-like scheme that underclocks the gpu and memory. See if disabling that works. Or it just may be something else. Are there other people with similar setups having the same trouble?

No worries, it's easy done on a thread like this. I don't think I have anything equivalent to Powerplay enabled on the HTPC, but I'll check and see.

I can't comment about similar setups, few of us seem to have the Xonar. Seb doesn't seem to get the issue which is interesting.

It wouldn't be a big deal, but a few pages back I posted that the MPC-HC gui seems to freeze when bitstreaming & using DXVA. It's better now that I've set my refresh rate to 24hz, but in software mode I got no freezes at all, but dropouts.

I'll post back with an update trying out the DPC tool, the latest ffdshow beta and the new Xonar drivers.

[Andy o]

I think Seb is using an ATI 5000 card and AFAIK he disabled Powerplay. The DPC checker tool should help you.

[Skinleech]

He also has a Xonar and an Nvidia card though so I assumed he was referring to that config when I mentioned it.

As you say, we'll see what the DPC tool comes back with.

[Sebastiii]

Hi Seb,

I have one question : the logs you posted were from the starting point of the video or from another seeking point ?

Because when I compare TMT and FFDShow(w/ arcsoft renderer) logs, they are very different

Hi Damien,

Of memory yes :) (Starting point of Video)
Or maybe it's that, i don't log TMT + Xonar with long sample.

So i'll make log maybe i was something wrong.
The log that i'll made :
1- TMT + Xonar Bitstream
2- MPC-HC + FFDshow (Xonar mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.
3- MPC-HC + FFDshow (ATI mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.

Be prepare to your CPU Burning :) lol.

Seb.

[Sebastiii]

I think Seb is using an ATI 5000 card and AFAIK he disabled Powerplay. The DPC checker tool should help you.

Hi Andy, Yes i use ATI 5770 (MSI) and yes i have disable Powerplay (400/900).

Seb :)

[Sebastiii]

He also has a Xonar and an Nvidia card though so I assumed he was referring to that config when I mentioned it.

As you say, we'll see what the DPC tool comes back with.

I have a xonar card in my HTPC with ATI 5770. (Dropout when powerplay is on) (Win7 32 bit)

And my main PC, i have only Nvidia 9600GT and no dropout on it. (Win7 64 bit)

Seb :)

[albain]

Hi Damien,

Of memory yes :) (Starting point of Video)
Or maybe it's that, i don't log TMT + Xonar with long sample.

So i'll make log maybe i was something wrong.
The log that i'll made :
1- TMT + Xonar Bitstream
2- MPC-HC + FFDshow (Xonar mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.
3- MPC-HC + FFDshow (ATI mode) + Arcsoft Renderer.

Be prepare to your CPU Burning :) lol.

Seb.

THanks !

[Sebastiii]

Thanks to you :)

And voila the log :)

TMT_Xonar bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/TMT_Xonar bitstream.rar)
MPC-HC+FFDshow(Xonar mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/MPC-HC+FFDshow(Xonar mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream.rar)
MPC-HC+FFDshow(ATI mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/MPC-HC+FFDshow(ATI mode)+Arcsoft_Renderer_bitstream.rar)

I hope is good :)
Thx,
Seb.

[albain]

Merci !

I have added an audio delay option in FFDShow audio (and removed the "use waveformatextensible" option that no one knows and cares about).
It works in analog, but I can't test it right now in numeric mode (SPDIF/HDMI) because of my receiver in vacation.

I'll make a test build tomorrow once I have analyzed the logs

[Sebastiii]

Big thx :)

I hope it work :) and i can test it when you have made it, Great :)
Do you have news about your receiver ?
I'll hope that you receive soon :)
Thanks,
Seb.

[albain]

My receiver is in medical care for 1 month at least :mad:

Anyway, I have time for other stuff

There are many things going on : DXVA, bitstream issues that are harder and harder to figure out, bugs to fix...

I hope that we will be soon be able to release a FFDShow 1.0...

[SamuriHL]

That sucks. I need to send mine in next week when I get home.

That'd be nice to get ffdshow 1.0 out though.

[THX-UltraII]

Just put in my new HD5670 that was recently released. I did also see that the ATI drivers site was updated yesterday with a specific driver or the Redwood XT (5670) http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst-driver-for-Radeon-HD5670.aspx

The driver is called ATI_RedwoodXT_8.69_RC3_VistaWin7_Dec16.exe

It s strange that the site states 'Last Update 1/14/2010' and the driver says 'Dec16' as you can see in the filename.

Was wondering if this is a real update.

Also would like to know if the Realtek HDMI driver is still needed. I ve noticed that the HDMI audio driver cannot be checked/unchecked during the ATI driver installation, but the HDMI audio device is installed and showed properly in my hardware devices after installation of the ATI package.

[jimwhite]

you already asked in a few threads at AVS and you're seriously OT here !

[THX-UltraII]

you already asked in a few threads at AVS and you're seriously OT here !

Mind your own bussiness sh*thead. First of all I only asked this question in one thread @avs and what you problem with it eh?!

[nightfly]

A bit of an overreaction I'd say. With that said, there's been a tremendous amount of discussion regarding the "best" driver config for the ATI cards to get bitstreaming to work in past pages. A search may get you your answer.

I think bitstreaming's future is the clarksdale IGP and then eventually whatever AMD comes up also.

I would be very interested in ffdshow's ability to bitstream to a i3/i5 IGP. Hopefully it won't require any special tinkering.

[David602]

A bit of an overreaction I'd say. With that said, there's been a tremendous amount of discussion regarding the "best" driver config for the ATI cards to get bitstreaming to work in past pages. A search may get you your answer.

I think bitstreaming's future is the clarksdale IGP and then eventually whatever AMD comes up also.

I would be very interested in ffdshow's ability to bitstream to a i3/i5 IGP. Hopefully it won't require any special tinkering.

Agreed! Having a Mini-ITX MB with Clarksdale CPU that delivers Hardware accelerated 1080p + Bitstreaming TrueHD/DTS HD MA without the need for a seperate sound card or video card is definately the way to go.

Near silent PC with a very small footprint, low power use and low cost. I paid $250 for my Xonar 1 year ago and now I can build an entirely new HTPC based on the intel clarksdale for $400 and lose all the issues with the Xonar. That's a big step forward in 1 year.

Definately interested in FFDSHOW + Clarksdale bitstreaming...

[andyvt]

I think bitstreaming's future is the clarksdale IGP and then eventually whatever AMD comes up also.

I would be very interested in ffdshow's ability to bitstream to a i3/i5 IGP. Hopefully it won't require any special tinkering.

Except for some glitches in one file it works really well :)

[THX-UltraII]

just installed my 5670 and did the following:

- installed a fresh W7 x64 edition
- ATI 1/14/2010 5670 x64 w7 driver package
- did NOT installed the ATI HDMI driver!
- picked the r2.39 driver from Realtek and installed it
- set the speaker properties to 5.1 in the windows audio config
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- installed the latest ffdshow and checked all bitstream boxes in the output settings
- installed the latest MPC-HC version and set 'MPC Audio Renderer' as output
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC

Don t know what I m missing but all I see is a constant switch between DTS-Master and Auto in the display of my AVR and no sound at all.

Any thoughts?

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I have retest the sample True HD 7.1 and with it i have dropout too like Startrek Sample.
So we have some trick with THD lol
I have tested it in hardware mode :)
Good luck
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

just installed my 5670 and did the following:

- installed a fresh W7 x64 edition
- ATI 1/14/2010 5670 x64 w7 driver package
- did NOT installed the ATI HDMI driver!
- picked the r2.39 driver from Realtek and installed it
- set the speaker properties to 5.1 in the windows audio config
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- installed the latest ffdshow and checked all bitstream boxes in the output settings
- installed the latest MPC-HC version and set 'MPC Audio Renderer' as output
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC

Don t know what I m missing but all I see is a constant switch between DTS-Master and Auto in the display of my AVR and no sound at all.

Any thoughts?

Hi for me i use Directsound or Directsound Realtek HDMI.
MPEG/TS and MPC Video (H264 DXVA) and (VC1 DXVA) to see if it works :)
Like is Bitstream, it works even if i set 2ch in audio of windows

Maybe you have to overide your EDID.

With PDVD is it work ?

Seb :)

[cyrilp]

just installed my 5670 and did the following:

- installed a fresh W7 x64 edition
- ATI 1/14/2010 5670 x64 w7 driver package
- did NOT installed the ATI HDMI driver!
- picked the r2.39 driver from Realtek and installed it
- set the speaker properties to 5.1 in the windows audio config
- checked the properties of the playback devices and all audio formats are shown there inclusing DTS-HD
- checked my ATI settings and my Marantz AV8003 is shown
- installed the latest ffdshow and checked all bitstream boxes in the output settings
- installed the latest MPC-HC version and set 'MPC Audio Renderer' as output
- checked the box MPEG/TS in the internal filters of MPC-HC

Don t know what I m missing but all I see is a constant switch between DTS-Master and Auto in the display of my AVR and no sound at all.

Any thoughts?

Hi, i encountered the same problem with the last version of ffdshow, it broke the DTS Master playback.

I reinstalled the previous version and it's working again.

But i still have problems with Dolby True HD wich gives dropouts.

Cyril

[THX-UltraII]

Hi, i encountered the same problem with the last version of ffdshow, it broke the DTS Master playback.

I reinstalled the previous version and it's working again.

But i still have problems with Dolby True HD wich gives dropouts.

Cyril

which version did you install where it works? (dts-ma). Did you use the .inf override method also or not?

[THX-UltraII]

Hi for me i use Directsound or Directsound Realtek HDMI.
MPEG/TS and MPC Video (H264 DXVA) and (VC1 DXVA) to see if it works :)
Like is Bitstream, it works even if i set 2ch in audio of windows

Maybe you have to overide your EDID.

With PDVD is it work ?

Seb :)

Why are people not using the new 'MPC Audio Renderer'? I thought this renderer was speacially designed for bitstreaming?

[jimwhite]

oh well, a seriously interesting developement thread degenerates into a "how do I do this...."

:rolleyes:

[THX-UltraII]

oh well, a seriously interesting developement thread degenerates into a "how do I do this...."

:rolleyes:

Jim, you have 13 posts now and all you mostly do is whine, whine and...... MORE WHINING!!! please go to another community with more retards like you.

[Andy o]

Why are people not using the new 'MPC Audio Renderer'? I thought this renderer was speacially designed for bitstreaming?

It was developed for that. Later on I guess albain figured out that the other renderers could work too.

For me (at least when I tested, these things change quickly), MPC Audio renderer required audio switcher to be turned off, and that didn't let me choose different audio streams. Also it runs in exclusive mode, even when there's no bitstream-able audio (like flac), which doesn't work with 24-bit sources.