smartLabs tsMuxeR: Transport Stream muxer

[turbojet]

[self censored]

Sadly... There are too many stubborn people around...

I'm not surprised that some people don't "receive the attention" they'd like to in other threads.

Dean

I'm confused, care to explain?

[nwg]

1.10.6 is now made public on the main site to download.

[deank]

1) Don't use software players to prove something is working or not (Sony, Panasonic and maybe Canon and JVC players carry the real weight). Who (?!) cares if a software player can play something, which is supposed to be played in your BD player?! (not to mention the ridiculous "program" called "PowerDVD").

2) Speculations about V1/V2 are unnecessary.

3) Speculations about various folders presence (or not) and demanding their presence (or not) in various outputs of some programs is just absurd.

idbirch2 posted few weeks ago that we need to make all () work up to the standards (and I can't agree more).

I wouldn't care less if a Samsung or Denon or Panasonic players programmers didn't care about their users' experience. They were asked to make (real) Blu-ray discs play, so they did.

You either use your player for what it's supposed to do or refrain of 'making rules'. (I guess sony BD 3xx will do).

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I kind of get p*s*ed off of reading posts with 'suggestions for improvement' or 'let us make it play in 57721 models of 4813 brands/players'...

If someone picked the wrong player - go buy another one and spare the troubles.

You can't make ALL work with the output of a single program as tsMuxeR. God! these won't EVEN ACCEPT (AVCHD) input from another (big brand) output and sometimes from it's own (but different model).

I wonder why there is no thread about SONIC and BPRINT compatibility. Or their output wasn't supposed to go to a 3c DVD-R?

Anyway... Even ORIGINAL RETAIL BLU-RAY DISCS won't play in some players without some "OTA" updates or WON'T PLAY AT ALL...

***

I won't post anything else on the subject - here or in any other thread. It seems to me it's a waste of time (and I wasted enough with this ridiculous post) to make my point, which is clearly misunderstood (to stress it out again - CAN'T MAKE all BDPs work (click) just like that).

I'd suggest that all create a "F*CKU" folder as a subfolder of BDMV. It should work - I tested it with AKAI, TELEFUNKEN and GOLDSTAR tape-blu-eye players - just write "BD" in the label sticker.


Funny story :)

Dean

[turbojet]

I share your frustration with the whole thing at times.

Some retail BD9's would solve mostly everything.

Looking around on various forums there may be more people relying on software BD players then hardware BD players and I don't think they should be ignored.

Frankly the more supported output (with all empty folders) should be default and who knows the way Samsung is going it could go from 1-2 AVCHD players that aren't supported to 0 within days/weeks.

Since manufacturers don't care about standards don't know why we should because they allow DTS/VC-1/HD audio on AVCHD with a few exceptions. If you want strict compliance of the standard look at PowerDVD, it's the most compliant. If all muxers moved towards AVCHD standard with no VC-1/DTS/HD audio with no empty directories the raging population would grow rapidly. Removal of empty folders already caused some rage from a majority of the many software player users. Just look on slysoft and you'll see what I mean.

[psxiso]

Oh I wasn't aware they brought back HDD playback but you are right it will play without those directories but only LPCM\AC3 audio.

I also found out recently that it won't play DTS, but doesn't matter, nero showtime is another alternate that can play avchd from hdd with ac3, lpcm, dts, subtitle.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I also found out recently that it won't play DTS, but doesn't matter....The lack of DTS support is probably a licensing cost issue.

From what I understand DTS re-structured their licensing costs to co-inside with the release of their HD audio formats for Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

[G_M_C]

Easy easy Deank, we all appreciate your work and Roman76's work. And "appreciate" is an understatement as far as i'm concerned.

The reason why Bprint and Sonic and so forth can create workable discs is simply cause they can shell out a shitload of money to buy the appropriate documentation and support from the Blu-ray association. We measly Open Source users have to make do with reverse engenering and/or simply trial and error programming.

As i said before in de BD-rebuilder thread; The lack of proper documentation is the problem. Whith proper documentation, we would understand how the standard works and how it is build up. Then we could make BD9's according to the proper standards, and because it is a standard; All our discs would work, no matter what brand/model.

So in the end it is the BR-association that's at fault (read: Sony corp.) because they threat the proper documentation as a classified document equal only to CIA-national-security-level-kind of documentation. Silly, cause the format would really take of if the userbase could grow faster :)

[turbojet]

I also found out recently that it won't play DTS, but doesn't matter, nero showtime is another alternate that can play avchd from hdd with ac3, lpcm, dts, subtitle.

The lack of DTS support is probably a licensing cost issue.

From what I understand DTS re-structured their licensing costs to co-inside with the release of their HD audio formats for Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

WinDVD acts the same way, only AVCHD from HDD. AVCHD can be moved from cameras to HDD legally.
However when you think about it why should it support pirates who rip BD to HDD?
Isn't preventing piracy one of the industries main goals?

Empty folders tricking players is silly but it's nothing new. Blank AUDIO_TS is needed in some DVD players, mainly sony.

[NoLd0r]

@roman76r

splitting and cutting time selection do not work in the tsMuxeR GUI 1.10.6

:thanks: for this great tool

[turbojet]

Splitting and cutting are working ok for me in 1.10.6 however I've ran into problems in past versions but I could never figure out why.

Could you mention what input type (m2ts, mkv, etc.)
What streams are in the input (H.264, VC-1, AC3, PGS, etc.)
Are you deselecting any streasm?
Output type and a split and cut setting that doesn't work and what happens when it doesn't work

[0xdeadbeef]

If you're making custom subs, DVD subtitles are much easier to create and are more likely to have been created already by someone else saving a lot of time. OK, so the quality might not be great but who cares if it's only 10-20 captions throughout the whole film.
Despite of its name, BDSup2Sub can also convert VobSub (SUB/IDX) to BD-SUP. Furthermore there are tool chains available to create high quality BD-SUPs from SRTs:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146488

[GreenOnyx]

Was the issue requiring eac3to to be ran after muxing a seamless branch mpls fixed? I swore that it was but I couldn't find the verification when I searched this thread or the changelog. I see that it was resolved in ToNMT, so maybe I'm thinking of that app instead. Any confirmation would be appreciated.

[NoLd0r]

Splitting and cutting are working ok for me in 1.10.6 however I've ran into problems in past versions but I could never figure out why.

Could you mention what input type (m2ts, mkv, etc.)
What streams are in the input (H.264, VC-1, AC3, PGS, etc.)
Are you deselecting any streasm?
Output type and a split and cut setting that doesn't work and what happens when it doesn't work

The cutting and splitting option working fine for me to, if I use the cmd line. The problem isn´t the container or codec... the problem is to change (or typing) the time-points in the GUI.

[Krawhitham]

1) Don't use software players to prove something is working or not (Sony, Panasonic and maybe Canon and JVC players carry the real weight). Who (?!) cares if a software player can play something, which is supposed to be played in your BD player?! (not to mention the ridiculous "program" called "PowerDVD").

2) Speculations about V1/V2 are unnecessary.

3) Speculations about various folders presence (or not) and demanding their presence (or not) in various outputs of some programs is just absurd.

idbirch2 posted few weeks ago that we need to make all () work up to the standards (and I can't agree more).

I wouldn't care less if a Samsung or Denon or Panasonic players programmers didn't care about their users' experience. They were asked to make (real) Blu-ray discs play, so they did.

You either use your player for what it's supposed to do or refrain of 'making rules'. (I guess sony BD 3xx will do).

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I kind of get p*s*ed off of reading posts with 'suggestions for improvement' or 'let us make it play in 57721 models of 4813 brands/players'...

If someone picked the wrong player - go buy another one and spare the troubles.

You can't make ALL work with the output of a single program as tsMuxeR. God! these won't EVEN ACCEPT (AVCHD) input from another (big brand) output and sometimes from it's own (but different model).

I wonder why there is no thread about SONIC and BPRINT compatibility. Or their output wasn't supposed to go to a 3c DVD-R?

Anyway... Even ORIGINAL RETAIL BLU-RAY DISCS won't play in some players without some "OTA" updates or WON'T PLAY AT ALL...

***

I won't post anything else on the subject - here or in any other thread. It seems to me it's a waste of time (and I wasted enough with this ridiculous post) to make my point, which is clearly misunderstood (to stress it out again - CAN'T MAKE all BDPs work (click) just like that).

I'd suggest that all create a "F*CKU" folder as a subfolder of BDMV. It should work - I tested it with AKAI, TELEFUNKEN and GOLDSTAR tape-blu-eye players - just write "BD" in the label sticker.


Funny story :)

Dean


You need to quit holding back and tell us how you really feel

[deank]

:D It just these late nights when I just want to say what I have to say - nothing more.

[microchip8]

:D It just these late nights when I just want to say what I have to say - nothing more.

Njakoi ti igrai po nerviti? :p

[deank]

Hahah :) Yeah... "someone's playing on my nerves"... No, it's all okay.

[G_M_C]

:D It just these late nights when I just want to say what I have to say - nothing more.

Coffee helps on those late nights, stronger tasting coffee even more ;)

[rica]

Coffee helps on those late nights, stronger tasting coffee even more ;)

I'd suggest some vodka :)

[rapscallion]

Ok, back to dumb questions.:D

[holding breath] I'm playing around with the original main movie *.m2ts file from The World Is Not Enough, which has DTS-HD audio. The movie is 2h 8m long, yet when I demuxe the audio track it ends up 2hr 7m long. If I check "downconvert to DTS" it demuxes to 2h 6m. (obviously they match in the original)

Are these descrepancies normal ? Because every other movie I've run through tsmuxer, NOT DTS-HD, the lengths match the movie. [/holding breath]

Edit : I'm asking because I don't want to go through a 10 hr encode only to find the audio
is out of sync.

Edit #2: Update -Well, when muxed back to the m2ts, the time was then right again and everything is in sync.

[poisondeathray]

Ok, back to dumb questions.:D

[holding breath] I'm playing around with the original main movie *.m2ts file from The World Is Not Enough, which has DTS-HD audio. The movie is 2h 8m long, yet when I demuxe the audio track it ends up 2hr 7m long. If I check "downconvert to DTS" it demuxes to 2h 6m. (obviously they match in the original)

Are these descrepancies normal ? Because every other movie I've run through tsmuxer, NOT DTS-HD, the lengths match the movie. [/holding breath]

Edit : I'm asking because I don't want to go through a 10 hr encode only to find the audio is out of sync.

It might be a better idea to use eac3to for the audio, which fixes audio gaps, and might be the cause of what you are observing

[rapscallion]

It might be a better idea to use eac3to for the audio, which fixes audio gaps, and might be the cause of what you are observing
So, is that a bug in Tsmuxer? (using latest ver)

[poisondeathray]

So, is that a bug in Tsmuxer? (using latest ver)

No, I wouldn't think of it as a bug. It's a feature of eac3to that other apps don't have. I thought most people here use eac3to for the audio as a given.

I'm not saying this is definitely what is going on with your case, it's just a possible explanation.

[rapscallion]

Ok, thanks for the response.....I'll go that route.

Edit : Extracted the DTS-HD and the DTS Core, using Eac3to and More gui, and still get a length mis match. There are several gui's available for Eac3to ,so a suggestion on which one is the best to use would be a big help.(or what I'm doing wrong) Thanks

[G_M_C]

Ok, thanks for the response.....I'll go that route.

Edit : Extracted the DTS-HD and the DTS Core, using Eac3to and More gui, and still get a length mis match. There are several gui's available for Eac3to ,so a suggestion on which one is the best to use would be a big help.(or what I'm doing wrong) Thanks

I'd suggest that you stay with the cli / commandline version. Read through the long help for all the options.

But this is based on my personal preference. I find that many of the GUI's are kind of complex in their use or in their interface. I think this is because EAC3to has so many options, in other words; Is such a versatile tool, that GUI's cannot compensate :D

[kalle2k3]

Was the issue requiring eac3to to be ran after muxing a seamless branch mpls fixed? I swore that it was but I couldn't find the verification when I searched this thread or the changelog. I see that it was resolved in ToNMT, so maybe I'm thinking of that app instead. Any confirmation would be appreciated.

For example, 2 overlaps found by eac3to3.16 on an BD, the same were found and removed by tsmuxer 1.10.6.

[rotty]

Has anyone found a way of getting tsmuxer to import txt subtitles. e.g. I have "The Mummy" region B, it has 68 subtitles, the first 32 (#0-#31) are PGS streams and are shown, the rest are txt subs, one of which is the English Forced subtitle, this is needed to make sense of the film. These are not shown and ignored by tsmuxer.
Obviously, whithout this forced subtitle the film is missing important information to the viewer.
If anyone has a way of accessing thiese subs I would be gratfull.

[GreenOnyx]

For example, 2 overlaps found by eac3to3.16 on an BD, the same were found and removed by tsmuxer 1.10.6.

Thanks for the info kalle2k3. I did see some removal of frame ouput lines, or something similar, during muxing, so I assume that's the overlaps being corrected. During playback I didn't notice any issues, though I'm not sure what to look for.

Appreciate the response.

[Nkotok]

Why does Custom Chapter list only shows chapter till 60 minute mark? It used to do the whole movie (all the chapters as on the original disk). Now on a back up I can not skip chapter beyond one hour mark.

[Capsbackup]

Why does Custom Chapter list only shows chapter till 60 minute mark?

If you select custom chapters, you need to enter the chapters that you want. If unselected, 5 minute chapters will be inserted for the entire movie length.( it only displays up to 1:00:00, but will insert chapters at that 5 min. interval for the entire movie length).

[kalle2k3]

Thanks for the info kalle2k3. I did see some removal of frame ouput lines, or something similar, during muxing, so I assume that's the overlaps being corrected. During playback I didn't notice any issues, though I'm not sure what to look for.

Appreciate the response.

I tried this with the latest BD from Pixar and it works. Whats interesting is, that eac3to needs 2 passes and tsmuxer does not.

[LHL-bLuECoDe]

An nooz question. With the split option, always makes one bluray folder and in the stream subfolder i find 2 mts files, one bigger (7900 GB) and the other a little one (the rest of the video). How i burn those files, separately? does it affects anything when i play on my standalone bluray? plz help me and sorry again for being nooz and my english.

[Nkotok]

If you select custom chapters, you need to enter the chapters that you want. If unselected, 5 minute chapters will be inserted for the entire movie length.( it only displays up to 1:00:00, but will insert chapters at that 5 min. interval for the entire movie length).

Really? Is it something new? Because before Custom Chapter list just displayed the chapter marks that were on the original disk. Isn't it what everybody wants most of the time anyway? Where is this feature now???

And as for It will insert chapters at 5 min interval for the entire movie - that is not what I had (maybe it was fixed). In my case I could not skip chapters on the recorded disk beyond 60 minutes. 60 minute was the last chapter and that is it.

[Nkotok]

An nooz question. With the split option, always makes one bluray folder and in the stream subfolder i find 2 mts files, one bigger (7900 GB) and the other a little one (the rest of the video). How i burn those files, separately? does it affects anything when i play on my standalone bluray? plz help me and sorry again for being nooz and my english.

You need to do the Cut (not the split) to make blu-ray structure for both files. If you stick with the Split. You need to take each file within the blu-ray structure you got and make another run through tsmuxer and make a blu-ray structure for each of them again.

[Capsbackup]

Really? Is it something new? Because before Custom Chapter list just displayed the chapter marks that were on the original disk. Isn't it what everybody wants most of the time anyway? Where is this feature now???

And as for It will insert chapters at 5 min interval for the entire movie - that is not what I had (maybe it was fixed). In my case I could not skip chapters on the recorded disk beyond 60 minutes. 60 minute was the last chapter and that is it.

If you open a bluray .mpls file, it will display the original chapters. If you open the .m2ts file, it will not. This is what I presumed as to your initial question. If I open a bluray .mpls file, all the original chapters are present & beyond the 60 min. time, to whatever the movie length is. But if I open the corresponding .m2ts file, I only see 5 min. chapter intervals up to 1:00:00.

[deank]

An nooz question. With the split option, always makes one bluray folder and in the stream subfolder i find 2 mts files, one bigger (7900 GB) and the other a little one (the rest of the video). How i burn those files, separately? does it affects anything when i play on my standalone bluray? plz help me and sorry again for being nooz and my english.

You can use popBD if you need to span to two dvd discs.

[Nkotok]

If you open a bluray .mpls file, it will display the original chapters. If you open the .m2ts file, it will not. This is what I presumed as to your initial question. If I open a bluray .mpls file, all the original chapters are present & beyond the 60 min. time, to whatever the movie length is. But if I open the corresponding .m2ts file, I only see 5 min. chapter intervals up to 1:00:00.

I see. Maybe I just screwed up myself and instead of mpls, opened m2ts files for the last several times.

Thanks for pointing this out.

[Nkotok]

You can use popBD if you need to span to two dvd discs.

But it does not do 2 BD25s, does it?

[LHL-bLuECoDe]

You can use popBD if you need to span to two dvd discs.

Yeah i know but when i have used popBD sometimes the result isnt recognize by the mpc home cinema, only plays sound but no video so i dont burn those files and try other method like tsmuxer, but i had the splt problem. i will tray de cut method in tsmuxer. Thanxs for your help.

[deank]

But it does not do 2 BD25s, does it?

It does any split you want.

[Nkotok]

It does any split you want.

Nice, will try it out soon. Thanks

[GreenOnyx]

I tried this with the latest BD from Pixar and it works. Whats interesting is, that eac3to needs 2 passes and tsmuxer does not.

Sounds like we're on the same movie. I believe I read somewhere that the first eac3to pass is to create a gap list/config file for the next pass, but again, I'm definitely not an expert.

Thanks again for your confirmation, and to roman. It's great to hear that there's one less thing to have to work around.

[mrr19121970]

i'm sure if madshi could process all the gaps, overlaps & clippings in one pass, then he would. so you should imagine that if tsMuxeR doesn't need 2 passes, then it does something quite different.

[turbojet]

In eac3to 3.16 you can use -no2ndpass but I don't know how effective it is.

Somewhere around 1.9.x I tried demuxing x-files 2 which is seamless branching and it produced a broken .264 file, eac3to and BD-RB worked ok.
Maybe things have changed in TSMuxer that missed the changelog since but if not I wouldn't put full trust in the method yet.

[Butterfly666]

Can please someone tell me how the option "add blank playlist for croppes video' works (insertBlankPL)?


The video is 1280*544, when I use this option checked, the movie is played in 480i on the screen. Instead of the green bar, I get a black bar...

[turbojet]

Can please someone tell me how the option "add blank playlist for croppes video' works (insertBlankPL)?


The video is 1280*544, when I use this option checked, the movie is played in 480i on the screen.

It inserts a short compliant m2ts, 1280x720 or 1920x1080 to play before the main m2ts. It fools some players, doesn't fool some others. Safest thing to do is encode at compliant resolutions.

[Sogetthis]

Hi. Thank you for this easy to use application. One thing that hasn't worked for me from the beginning though, is the addition of non-western subtitles, specifically, Arabic. I can add the srt file fine and it gives no error message but when I play the AVCHD, I get weird text, it looks arabic, but certainly not the text that is in the original srt file.

For some reason it works in MKV2VOB and I know it is using Tsmuxer as its backend. The author has said all his application does in order to allow arabic text to display correctly, is to convert it to utf-8. What I have done, is used MKV2VOB to add the srt into an AVCHD, demuxed the SUP file with Tsmuxer, then add the newly exported sup file into AVCHD by Tsmuxer. THIS WORKS.

So what I did, was convert the srt to utf-8 first, then add it into Tsmuxer to make an AVCHD. This still gives me weird characters so I don't know how the author of MKV2VOB has solved it.

To be honest, I would much rather use Tsmuxer as it allows multiple streams, supports VC-1 and MPEG2; all of which MKV2VOB does not support.

I hope I have explained the problem well and am happy to assist in anything you need.

Thanks!

[Butterfly666]

It inserts a short compliant m2ts, 1280x720 or 1920x1080 to play before the main m2ts. It fools some players, doesn't fool some others. Safest thing to do is encode at compliant resolutions.

Thanx for the info,

I tried it on the ps3 with non-compliant resolution movie but unfortunatly with no luck...

[coolalibaba]

Thanx for the info,

I tried it on the ps3 with non-compliant resolution movie but unfortunatly with no luck...
ps3 plays as 480i if video height is small than 584 whatever the width is. try other videos whose height is greater than 584.

[lostmonkey]

roman76r wrote:


...but I found too this bug.


So now I'm not alone.....
Can anyone else check this and confirm please?

I have checked this color issue under Windows XP SP3 on tsMuxeR version 1.10.6 and it is still there.

Using the subtitle palette "Select Color", I choose R:252 G:251 B:220. Then I confirm my choice with "OK".
In the "Subtitles" tab, the GUI ends up with the Color value "0x00dcfbdc" (R:220 G:251 B:220) where it should normally be "0x00fcfbdc". The "Meta file" below shows the same error.

The problem is already described in posts #3413 by frank, #3452 by BlackJack1 and #3481 by SquallMX : the B value from the palette overwrites the R value in the GUI. The R input from the palette is ignored. This usually gives a "greenish" color to your subs.

This issue prevents me for using latest versions of tsMuxeR GUI. Latest good for me is 1.8.4. I have been expecting a fix for quite a while now.
A workaround is to edit the META file color value and run the mux using the command line.