ffdshow tryouts project: Discussion & Development [Archive] - Page 194

Sebastiii

3rd December 2009, 01:19

Try unchecking regular ac3 passthrough. That's what I need to do to get it working.

samples

TrueHD: http://www.mediafire.com/?iyyg5wzgjgl
TrueHD: http://www.mediafire.com/?zjddwmzwean
DTS-HD MA: http://www.mediafire.com/?qzj1zgtzqyj

Sebastii, can you try these ones please? The DTS-HD sample crashes MPC, but works straight after. There might be the odd audio drop out.

I get stutters or slow recognition of the THD track in both THD samples.

Thanks.

As noted in a previous post, MKV seems to work much better for me.

Hi thx :)
So i have made BD disc structure from 2 softs : TsRemux0212 and tsMuxeR_1.10.6 from your sample to play with TMT bitstream and Xonar.

And this is the log from 2 softs :)

ROME-DTSMA-tsMuxeR_1.10.6-TMT-bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/ROME-DTSMA-tsMuxeR_1.10.6-TMT-bitstream.zip)
ROME-DTSMA-TsRemux0212-TMT-bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/ROME-DTSMA-TsRemux0212-TMT-bitstream.zip)
THD_Intro-tsMuxeR_1.10.6-TMT-bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/THD_Intro-tsMuxeR_1.10.6-TMT-bitstream.zip)
THD_Intro-TsRemux0212-TMT-bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/THD_Intro-TsRemux0212-TMT-bitstream.zip)
THD71-tsMuxeR_1.10.6-TMT-bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/THD71-tsMuxeR_1.10.6-TMT-bitstream.zip)
THD71-TsRemux0212-TMT-bitstream (http://sebinternet.free.fr/THD71-TsRemux0212-TMT-bitstream.zip)

I hope is quite Good.
Seb :)

rica

3rd December 2009, 01:28

I see, yes, that's clear now. Hmmm, I'm not sure what to tell you on that one. It seems to work for me. Every disc I've thrown at it so far works with that configuration. Even the one I had problems with, I changed to another renderer and then changed back to MPC audio renderer and it worked after that. I wish I knew why it's not working for you. You can always force the issue by going to external filters, add the mpc audio renderer and set it as preferred. Cheating, but it'll work. :)

(To do that, you'll have to browse for the ax file you registered when adding it to the external filter list)

MPC Audio Renderer has been already added and selected as preferred under external filters but i kept going to have Default Audio Renderer as default while playing :mad:

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 01:31

MPC Audio Renderer has been already added and selected as preferred under external filters but i kept going to have Default Audio Renderer as default :mad:

I don't get why that's happening to you. :( Sorry, I really don't know what to tell you.

Sebastiii

3rd December 2009, 01:36

@Rica
Sometimes it happen to me when i not select 16 bit in output of ffdshow.

If you have like me preset setting, don't forget to all set to 16bits and check DTSHD etc. pass-through.

I think you have already check that but maybe setting goes out :)
Seb.

rica

3rd December 2009, 01:37

I don't get why that's happening to you. :( Sorry, I really don't know what to tell you.

Neither am i :)

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 01:38

Yea I ONLY have 16 bit set and all the passthrough options checked. I don't have MPC Audio Renderer set in my external filters, just as the output device. It works for me. Rather well, in fact.

rica

3rd December 2009, 01:44

Yea I ONLY have 16 bit set and all the passthrough options checked. I don't have MPC Audio Renderer set in my external filters, just as the output device. It works for me. Rather well, in fact.

All the ways have been tried but no result; Default Audio Renderer really seems as default to me :)
Tomorrow i'll try again.
Thanks guys.

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 01:47

Sorry, Rica. Wish I could figure it out for you.

rica

3rd December 2009, 01:48

Sorry, Rica. Wish I could figure it out for you.

Thx samuri, we'll fix it anyway :)

whurlston

3rd December 2009, 01:59

The MPC renderer didn't work for me with GraphStudio but I tried the ATI HDMI WaveOut and everything works, including RE3 and John Mayer.

rica

3rd December 2009, 02:07

ffdshow audio renderer always selects "default audio renderer" as default on GraphStudio in my case which explains why i can never see MPC Audio Renderer on MPC-HC.

Stereodude

3rd December 2009, 03:27

Will the GeForce 9300/9400 chipset or ATI 4xxx be able bitstream, or is this going to be limited to the Asus Xonar HDMI cards and the ATI 5xxx cards?

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 04:13

Gurus of bitstreaming - Please help me.
The good news first - I get bitstreaming (both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA) using "MPC-HC -> ffdshow -> Arcsoft Renderer -> Xonar". I do not have the ATI 5xxx card
The bad news - I cannot get the same config work in Graphstudio, even if I set the same chain. I tried Arcsoft renderer, Defaultsound without any success. MPC Audio Renderer didn't help either. Is there anyway to setup Arcsoft audio renderer as default audio renderer (I changed the merit of Arcsoft renderer to highest using Gspot, didn't help either).

So please help.

fuzz!

3rd December 2009, 04:33

Is this something that can be used without specific ArcSoft and/or Xonar drivers being installed?

I have a Radeon 4850 - No TMT, No Xonar.. Should I still be able to get bitstreaming?

Gizzmo

3rd December 2009, 09:06

Hi, for me the same question like Stereodude : What about GeForce 9400 onboard HDMI ?
I am afraid there is an issue with the bitrate, because the 9400 only supports 16 and 24 bit
and TruHD seems to have 32bit. But even if i let ffdshow downsample to 16bit i get no audio.
And with DTS HD MPC crashes.

I tryed to use the nondebug version but i can't registrate the filters in my W7 32bit PC. I get
an errormessage about a problem with the registration. Could that be a problem of the new
handling of filters within Windows 7 ?

I also get an error message that my DirectX is not actual, do i have to do a manual installation ?
I did all upgrades with the updatemanagement of W7.

Here my system : Gigabyte mainboard with NVIDIA 9400 onboard graphic/HDMI, Windows 7 32bit,

liquidskin76

3rd December 2009, 09:39

tetsuo55

3rd December 2009, 10:39

@ Everyone

This does NOT work on anything other than Xonar and 5xx0

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 11:49

What version of MPC-HC are you running? Also, is this from m2ts or MKV?

Thanks
Hi liquidskin76 - I am using the SVN 1373 version of MPC-HC. Also my files are in m2ts (direct blu-ray copies with anydvd, not remuxed). The part that I am not getting is why is it not working through graphstudio (or through anything other than the MPC-HC player), even if I am following the same chain?

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 13:34

Hi liquidskin76 - I am using the SVN 1373 version of MPC-HC. Also my files are in m2ts (direct blu-ray copies with anydvd, not remuxed). The part that I am not getting is why is it not working through graphstudio (or through anything other than the MPC-HC player), even if I am following the same chain?
Problem resolved - it was related the version of MPC-HC standalone filters compared to the player. Now bitstream is possible from MPC-HC and graphstudio. I am loving it!!

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 13:35

Problem resolved - it was related the version of MPC-HC standalone filters compared to the player. Now bitstream is possible from MPC-HC and graphstudio. I am loving it!!

Sweet!!!

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 13:39

Albain and others

Can you please tell me if it is possible to select Arcsoft audio renderer as the system default audio renderer? Or is it possible to set ffdshow audio to always output to Arcsoft audio renderer (preferably by profile setting)?

I do not have the ATI 5xxx but only Xonar, so if I could output ffdshow audio through Arcsoft audio renderer then I can use the Vista Media Center front end (my current setup) or any other app to have bitstreaming. Otherwise I will have to spend for the ATI 5xxx card.

Thanks a lot for all of these.

albain

3rd December 2009, 13:51

@dehati_paul : yes it is but you have to register the renderer first
Dos windows in admin mode, do :
regsvr32 "c:\program files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec\ASAudioRenderer.dll"

@all

Let's summarize things a little bit :

xonar + arcsoft renderer : work with all DTSHD samples ? work with some THD but not all => I have Sebastii's logs to fix THD
xonar + other renderer : doesn't work ? This does not surprise me
ATI 5xxx : I saw some THD samples working, some others won't with directsound. But non working samples will work if you use waveout. Right ? I have ffdshow logs for non working sample (a 5.1 track if I remember correctly) but not a working track with the same attributes (I mean sample rate and number of channels). Please also report the sample rate too. I suspect a bug in the ATI driver, it also may come from the channels mask sent
ATI 5xxx + DTSHD : works with directsound (MA or HR) but not with waveout (MA only), right ?
ATI 5xxx and Dolby Digital Plus : what about this one ? Still working in all cases ?

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 13:57

I have every single source working with your mpc audio renderer. I tried numerous titles and watched a whole TrueHD movie in its entirety last night. All DTS-HD MA and TrueHD tracks I threw at it worked flawlessly. Tell me what you need for logs and I'll get up and go make some with whatever renderer you need tested.

liquidskin76

3rd December 2009, 14:11

xonar + arcsoft renderer : work with all DTSHD samples ? work with some THD but not all => I have Sebastii's logs to fix THD

@Albain,

See my previous post (posted last night) below for results from xonar + arcsoft renderer... particularly the various findings using MPC-HC...

@Albain,

Just to summarize on 'beta44 - xonar - arcsoft renderer'...

GraphStudio

From m2ts container... TrueHD working great. DTS-HD giving DTS core.
DTS-HD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m6b53dcb1

From MKV container... both TrueHD and DTS-HD working great!

MPC-HC (SVN 1373)

From m2ts container... TrueHD not working, giving 2 channel LPCM. DTS-HD is giving DTS core.
TrueHD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7b37a2dc
DTS-HD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m5d22fc24

From MKV container... TrueHD not working, giving 2 channel LPCM. DTS-HD not working, no audio and showing as Dolby Digital on AVR!!TrueHD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m2729c620
DTS-HD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7e2cda62

... however I need to test further as dehati_paul claims to have it working good from MPC-HC and m2ts container.

Any suggestions from the above logs?

Thanks

albain

3rd December 2009, 14:33

@liquidskin76 : your issues concern the xonar, and I have all Seb's logs to figure this out

liquidskin76

3rd December 2009, 14:34

@liquidskin76 : your issues concern the xonar, and I have all Seb's logs to figure this out

Cool... i'll sit tight and try not to get too excited!!

Thanks

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 14:47

Resident Evil 3: TrueHD, 48000, 6 channels, 4653kbps

Default DirectSound (decodes to LPCM): http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d55d6a5c1
MPC Audio Renderer (bitstreams TrueHD): http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d1ade42e8

Hopefully that'll help with the TrueHD stuff that doesn't work through DirectSound.

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 14:57

@Albain,

See my previous post (posted last night) below for results from xonar + arcsoft renderer... particularly the various findings using MPC-HC...

... however I need to test further as dehati_paul claims to have it working good from MPC-HC and m2ts container.

Any suggestions from the above logs?

Thanks
Yes I can confirm that both DTH-HD (5.1, 7.1) and TrueHD (5.1, 7.1) worked from both MPC-HC player and Graphstudio using MPC filters (all version 1373) from m2ts (non-remuxed, pulled straight from Blu-ray). Unfortunately, I didn't have mkvs to test. My chain

.m2ts -> MPC - mpeg splitter -> ffdshow -> arcsoft raudio renderer -> Xonar -> DVDO upscaler (igonore this) -> Onkyo TX-SR876

.m2ts tested
DTS-HD: Wall-E (5.1), Hellboy II (7.1)
TrueHD: the TrueHD 7.1 sample on this forum, IronMan (5.1)

madshi

3rd December 2009, 15:01

Maybe a stupid question: But why does the Xonar only work through the ArcSoft Audio Renderer, while the ATI 5xxx seems to be happy with virtually any renderer?

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:04

Maybe a stupid question: But why does the Xonar only work through the ArcSoft Audio Renderer, while the ATI 5xxx seems to be happy with virtually any renderer?

Cough crappy drivers cough cough. :D

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 15:05

Maybe a stupid question: But why does the Xonar only work through the ArcSoft Audio Renderer, while the ATI 5xxx seems to be happy with virtually any renderer?
May be Arcsoft wants to prove that are smarter than everyone (read proprietary or only Arcsoft+Xonar). Jokes apart - I think ATI left it open to make it work with all the vendors, whereas Asus (Xonar) wanted it only to work with Arcsoft TMT.

Hopefully, Albain can explain.

htpc66

3rd December 2009, 15:21

I find interesting to note that with the latest fixes, ATI4xxx is able to deliver LPCM "unmolested" (according ffdshow info) to AVR . Save for frequent hickups with Mpc-hc, Truehd & dts-htma are both decoded (according ffdshow info and sounded like it) in their fully glory in multichannel to AVR.

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:22

Not possible with DTS-HD MA. It's only decoding the DTS core. There's no decoder for the DTS-HD MA extensions.

whurlston

3rd December 2009, 15:24

Maybe a stupid question: But why does the Xonar only work through the ArcSoft Audio Renderer, while the ATI 5xxx seems to be happy with virtually any renderer?

I've been asking myself the same thing. Even WinDVD can bitstream with the 5xxx series (with glitches but still).

htpc66

3rd December 2009, 15:25

Not possible with DTS-HD MA. It's only decoding the DTS core. There's no decoder for the DTS-HD MA extensions.

Uhh? well thats according to ffdshow info and my old pair of (placebo) ears:)

Stereodude

3rd December 2009, 15:27

@ Everyone

This does NOT work on anything other than Xonar and 5xx0Is that the expected way it will stay, or is that just the current status?

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:29

Is that the expected way it will stay, or is that just the current status?

Current status. albain has said he'll work on more later. But for now he wants to get the Xonar and the 5xxx cards working perfectly first.

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:29

Uhh? well thats according to ffdshow info and my old pair of (placebo) ears:)

Not sure what to tell you on that one. I can say almost certainly, though, that if it's decoding DTS it's only doing core.

htpc66

3rd December 2009, 15:34

Not sure what to tell you on that one. I can say almost certainly, though, that if it's decoding DTS it's only doing core.

The ffdshow info shows large 4 digit (4000+ to 9000+ rather than 1530) bitrates which sound so pleasing to through my modest sound system.

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:36

The ffdshow info shows large 4 digit (4000+ to 9000+ rather than 1530) bitrates which sound so pleasing to through my modest sound system.

That's really odd. I have Watchmen in there right now and turned off DTS/DTS-HD MA passthrough so I can get it decoded. It's showing me 1536.

htpc66

3rd December 2009, 15:41

That's really odd. I have Watchmen in there right now and turned off DTS/DTS-HD MA passthrough so I can get it decoded. It's showing me 1536.

It may be really odd but I got all pass through ticked in ffdshow. That's what it shows in its info and that how I felt it suppose to sound like through a stand alone player.:) By the way its ATI 4XXX. Ho ho ho its Xmas:)

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:45

Its real odd indeed I have all pass through ticked. That's what it shows and how it suppose to sound like through a stand alone player:). By the way its ATI 4XXX. Ho ho ho:)

So in that case it attempts to bitstream, fails because the driver says no, and reverts to LPCM decoding. :) So what's reported is likely wrong because ffdshow is reporting what it WOULD be playing if it were in fact bitstreaming, but, since it's not, that's not really what you're getting. You found a bug, iow. :)

htpc66

3rd December 2009, 15:54

So in that case it attempts to bitstream, fails because the driver says no, and reverts to LPCM decoding. :) So what's reported is likely wrong because ffdshow is reporting what it WOULD be playing if it were in fact bitstreaming, but, since it's not, that's not really what you're getting. You found a bug, iow. :)

What about those LPCM when they register only 0 bitrate? Are those bugs as well?

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 15:57

What about those LPCM when it registers 0 bitrate?

Don't know. I've never seen that. But it definitely seems like there's a bug there somewhere.

dehati_paul

3rd December 2009, 16:08

@SamuriHL,

Can you please test/confirm that you can get bitstream from outside MPC-HC player or Graphstudio by using the same filter/renderer chain (e.g. by using windows media player). I am dying to use this solution in Vista Media Center (using MPC-HC standalone filters, ffdsow, etc. - my current setup) but need some validation. if you confirm, I will buy the ATI 5xxx card.

Thanks!

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 16:17

I've been testing with graphstudio, as well, and yes I can graph it and have it work. It's not smooth when playing in graphstudio, though. I get all kinds of weird issues. I'm not able to open it in WMP, though. I don't think my system is setup to correctly split things for WMP.

albain

3rd December 2009, 16:52

Originally Posted by liquidskin76
Just to summarize on 'beta44 - xonar - arcsoft renderer'...

GraphStudio

From m2ts container... TrueHD working great. DTS-HD giving DTS core.
DTS-HD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m6b53dcb1

From MKV container... both TrueHD and DTS-HD working great!

MPC-HC (SVN 1373)

From m2ts container... TrueHD not working, giving 2 channel LPCM. DTS-HD is giving DTS core.
TrueHD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7b37a2dc
DTS-HD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m5d22fc24

From MKV container... TrueHD not working, giving 2 channel LPCM. DTS-HD not working, no audio and showing as Dolby Digital on AVR!!TrueHD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m2729c620
DTS-HD log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7e2cda62
Thanks

Okay, only MKV traces give interesting results, for the others I don't see the DTS HD blocks. There should be a problem with your MPCHC build and m2ts standalone splitter.

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 16:55

@albain

I'm getting some messed up results. If I change my audio renderer, weird things start to happen. At this point I'm not able to get it back to fully working again. :( I really hope you can figure out a way to make the default DS renderer work for everything. What logs can I post that'll help with that aim?

whurlston

3rd December 2009, 16:55

Includes tests for the following using the default DirectSound and default WaveOut renderers (ATI 5xxx):

6 ch TrueHD 96/24 and 48/24
6 ch DTS-MA 48/24
8 ch DTS-MA 48/24

Sorted in folders according to working/non-working. I also included the graph reports from GraphStudio for the tests as well as the graph reports for the PDVD bitstreaming of the same movies.

http://www.oshinetworks.com/DirectShow/Beta44Reports.zip

I'm having an issue with DTS-MA losing audio/video sync but I reported them as working since the bitstreaming is fine. I'm still looking for a 7.1 TrueHD disc.

SamuriHL

3rd December 2009, 16:58