ffdshow tryouts project: Discussion & Development

[SamuriHL]

Could be. No real idea.

[rica]

I'm sure cause 1910 and 606 are very similar to each other.
Maybe a 32/64 or a driver issue?

[SamuriHL]

Not something I can test unfortunately. :) I have absolutely no intention of ever going back to 32 bit computing for any reason.

[rica]

Yes, you're right but i remember i decided to pass 32 bit from 16 bit three years later :)

Same story for 8 to > 16 passthrough :)

[SamuriHL]

I have a feeling the 9.11 driver will be out soon, so, we'll see if that makes any difference. Also, I have other issues in that I can't run moninfo and get the realtime EDID info from this card. So, something is wrong but I'm not sure what. And I have no idea if it affects audio. I badly need PDVD9 to get updated so I can verify that bitstreaming works with this card on there.

[rica]

Yes the drivers are still buggy.

Sometimes i need to shut-down and restart the AVR since Ati HDMI output disappears from time to time.

[SamuriHL]

I just looked at XFX's site and they recommend the 9.10 driver, as well, so, the people who say I'm crazy for using it are nuts. :D

[rica]

I'm not an Atiist guy :) but nVidiaist one; i just buy this one so as to try bitstreaming.
Never happy with video performance at all. (sorry guys it is my subjective opinion.)
But anyway i gonna give it a go with those ex-drivers :devil:

[rica]

Those ex drivers didn't work for me btw.
FYI.

[albain]

Hi,

@rica : there is a problem with your driver because the HD audio media types are not accepted by the renderer (so by the driver) unlike SamuriHL and you both have a radeon 5xxx. You should compare your config together : driver version, default audio endpoint, the parameters of the endpoint (is exclusive mode checked ?)...

PDVD9 bitstream full version comes out this Friday. The patch won't come out until the 27th. You like that? :)
I don't understand, you grabbed the patch before the release date ? Is it working ?

At least I can tell from the PDVD logs that it will accept the HD media types.

This morning I make a new FFDShow build that should be compatible with arcsoft renderer

[liquidskin76]

This morning I make a new FFDShow build that should be compatible with arcsoft renderer

Looking forward to it!

Will this be for the Xonar only, or for ATI 5xxx and Xonar?

I'll test on my Xonar this evening... however i expect SamuriHL will beat me to it!! Secretly, i think were all competing to be the first to say to you "i don't bloody believe it, i've got TrueHD/DTSHD bitstream"!!!

[albain]

Here is the new build (http://www.mediafire.com/file/dmzhyoy45ty/ffdshow_rev3128_20091117_dbt_bitstream_beta35.zip)and I have a greater hope on this one

On my laptop (no xonar of course) the arcsoft renderer will accept the TrueHD bistream and take the stream

I have improved the media types trial feature : now there is an array of media structures that are tried for a given input format.

So this new build is compatible with the others : it will try the official media structure (this is not only the types that change) then the more exotic structures.

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)

I have tested it and yes on Xonar and ATI, ffdshow bitstream with Arcsoft but no sound :(

Strange, i can't see log in debugview ! (sorry one already start lol)
So i think we succeed quickly :)
Seb.

[albain]

Okay, can you try DTS HD and EAC3 ?

This is weird that there are no debug logs

[Sebastiii]

Hi :)
Yes debug works now, it don't work because i have one already debugview started lol.

So this is log :) Log Beta 35 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/logbeta35.zip)

:)

[albain]

About the DTSHD MA sample : did you use the same between yesterday logs on TMT and those one ?

Is it a 6 or a 8 channels sample ?

This may explain why DTS HD does not work

Concerning TrueHD I have no idea

[Sebastiii]

Yep,
Yes it 8ch and it's the same from yesterday :) (For TMT i started the DEMO DTSHS bluray) and for Graphstudio, i have take the .m2ts and put with MPG (gabest Mpeg splitter)
It's strange !
I don't know why !!
Seb :)

[Sebastiii]

Weird thing that i have :

It's maybe from my AVR (Harman) i never seen light comes for DTSHD etc. with different audio renderer (maybe the AVR display the logo after a long signal (1 or 2 second).
I seen the light only with TMT.

And often but i must be wrong, the sample are 8CH but when i look at in (IN OUT) of filtre, it's often 6CH -> I don't know why.

But i MEGA ready for test :)))))
Seb.

[Cheesegeezer]

I have an ATI HD5850 card and would like to help with the testing, I'm using win7 32bit.

Would someone please tell me which renders are required along with the beta35 of FFDShow.

Many Thanks

[albain]

Sorry Seb, there is a bug in my code, I have to fix it

*EDIT* : here the fixed build (http://www.mediafire.com/file/zm3m32m3ddz/ffdshow_rev3128_20091117_dbt_bitstream_beta36.exe) (tested and provides the right structure this time)

I have also changed the number of channels on both TrueHD/DTSHD.

Maybe this will have an effect on both the ATI and the Xonar

[Sebastiii]

No pb at all :)

@Cheesegeezer, Arcsoft renderer :) see preview post Albain say's what dll to register :)

Big thx :)
Seb.

[albain]

I updated the post but here is the new link (http://www.mediafire.com/file/zm3m32m3ddz/ffdshow_rev3128_20091117_dbt_bitstream_beta36.exe)

[Cheesegeezer]

Thanks Sebastiii,

So, install Beta 36 now, setup FFDShow Audio Config outputs by ticking all the HD Audio Formats, tick 16bit & 24bit and tick the experimental box near the bottom.

Open MPC_HC and register external filters - FFDShow Audio decoder and the Arcsoft Renderer - Which is the Audio renderer I need, do you have a link?

Cheers

[albain]

Don't check the "use IEC .... (experimental)" checkbox, it will bring unexpected results

Next step : better use graphstudio

Insert the following filters :
1/ MPC -Mpeg source => select a m2ts file
2/ FFDshow audio
3/ A renderer : MPC audio renderer or default waveout or default directsound or Arcsoft renderer (but a xonar is needed for that one)

Connect them together and play

FYI, it seems that TMT use waveout (instead of directsound). I am not sure of that but this makes sense because I read somewhere that waveout does not allow audio mixing (so this is a kind of exclusive mode)

[Skinleech]

Sounds great albain.

I'll have some results in about 3 hours when I'm in from work, really looking foprward to testing this one out.

[Cheesegeezer]

Don't check the "use IEC .... (experimental)" checkbox, it will bring unexpected results

Next step : better use graphstudio

Insert the following filters :
1/ MPC -Mpeg source => select a m2ts file
2/ FFDshow audio
3/ A renderer : MPC audio renderer or default waveout or default directsound or Arcsoft renderer (but a xonar is needed for that one)

Connect them together and play

FYI, it seems that TMT use waveout (instead of directsound). I am not sure of that but this makes sense because I read somewhere that waveout does not allow audio mixing (so this is a kind of exclusive mode)

Many Thanks Albian, I'll be home in a couple of hours and start some testing for you. I have graphstudio already and check validity of movies streams using mediainfo I have a good DTS-HD MA Track in mkv that is 8 Ch, However when I load a Kungfu panda TrueHD in mediainfo I get 2 x AC3 files both at 48Khz 6 channel, is this correct for TrueHD or do you know of a better TrueHD sample.

Looking forward to this.

[albain]

No, this sounds great because mediainfo doesn't parse streams correctly.

I first need to know if there is sound, if not I will need the logs and for this you just have to launch debugview (google it) before.

Otherwise if there is a xonar owner to test the last ffdshow with arcsoft renderer...

[SamuriHL]

I don't understand, you grabbed the patch before the release date ? Is it working ?

At least I can tell from the PDVD logs that it will accept the HD media types.

This morning I make a new FFDShow build that should be compatible with arcsoft renderer

No no no. I have PDVD9 that does NOT bitstream but I was able to use the PDVD9 renderer with ffdshow.

I'm not home today so I can't play with the new builds. :(

[albain]

Okay, so as long as PDVD does not bitstream this is normal that FFDShow can't with PDVD renderer.

If the test with the last ffdshow and the xonar succeeds, this means that the ATI drivers are not ready.

Damm, this is annoying this lack of information from AMD/nvidia. I posted a while ago on AMD forum with no luck

[SamuriHL]

I have the beta 9.11 driver that I could install. I definitely won't get to it tonight though. It'll be tomorrow morning before I can test anything. If someone with a 5xxx card wants to update to the 9.11 beta and try it that'd be good.

Also, the information on PDVD is not accurate. It does bitstream. Just not with the ati card. It has bitstreaming support for the auzentech, so, the renderer should support bitstreaming.

[Cheesegeezer]

I can check the 9.11 beta drivers tonight, are you getting them from Guru3d?

[liquidskin76]

Otherwise if there is a xonar owner to test the last ffdshow with arcsoft renderer...

Albain,

If no Xonar owner test before hand, i'll test on my Xonar when i get in from work (a few hours time) and let you know.

Cheers

[Skinleech]

Albain,

If no Xonar owner test before hand, i'll test on my Xonar when i get in from work (a few hours time) and let you know.

Cheers

I should have results posted here within the hour as I'll be home in approx 30 mins..

[SamuriHL]

I can check the 9.11 beta drivers tonight, are you getting them from Guru3d?

That's one place. They're posted all over so I'm sure you can find them.

[Skinleech]

:D

No audio, but TrueHD came up on my receiver. It took 15-20 seconds after playback, it switched to stereo at first, then to THD, then momentarily dropped the connection, then back to TrueHD. The playback was jerky, and the file crashed about 1:14 into a 1:34 file.

DTS-HD MA in m2ts: The file played jerkily, with stuttering audio. My AVR picked it up as regular DTS.

DTS-HD MA in mkv: AVR showed DTS, no sound, no apparent stuttering

DDPlus: Nothing on AVR, file played smoothly but no sound.

Logs (http://rs481l3.rapidshare.com/cgi-bin/upload.cgi?rsuploadid=147237951848066322)

[liquidskin76]

@Albain,

Tested latest beta + arcsoft renderer on my Xonar.

TrueHD plays ok and get TrueHD lights on my av reciever however no sound.

Here's the log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m1eaecc

DTSHD plays ok however shows as DTS 1 channel on my av reciever! No sound.

Here's the log... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m2317e221

Thanks

[albain]

About truehd : when you said garbled, was it totally unrecognizable or kus stutteriing ?

Have you tried to disable allowDPRINTF key ?
Thanks

[Browncoat]

Greets from Russia and sorry for my very bad English.
First of all, many thanks to albain, you are doing really important and demanded work.

Now I'm waiting for arrival of my Auzen HomeTheater HD sound card. This should happen next week. If you find my help useful, I can do some tests. My AVR is Marantz SR5003.
I'm using Windows Seven x64, but, if it's realy needed, I can install x86 version, this is not a problem (if you need any other Windows for tests just tell me).

And i have some questions:
-Is Auzen in "todo" list, or you want to stop after radeon and xonar?
-Will be output HD sound formats as decoded multi ch pcm 24bit/96KHz supported (with wasapi)? Some AVR (as my Marantz) can't apply Audessey room acoustics correction AND decode HD sound, but Audessey+HD pcm is supported. Of course, this refers to the formats, for which we have decoders.
-Are you staying in touch with the developers of the mpc-hc? Will be bitstreaming feature and wasapi output (user controlled) included into it, when it finaly works, or we have to use ffdshow and separate mpc audio render?

Also I have notebook with Nvidia 9300 gpu and hdmi out (hd pcm supported).Only working wasapi for lossless audio output needed. Can do some tests here too.

[albain]

[2076] jitter correction

This is not good and will break the bitstream for sure (and may be the cause to the no sound issue). I have to disable the jitter correction for bitstream formats.
But this is due to all the logs, so this may be good to disable the tracing (allowDPRINTF key set to 0 in HKEY_Class_Curent_User\Software\GNU\ffdshow)

About azuentech : this one does bitstream with PDVD only. Support will be added but first I may need you to do some tests with the dumper tool, but it is only compatible with 32 bits (and Vista SP? like Sebastii).

[albain]

Here is a new build (http://damienbt.free.fr/ffdshow_rev3128_20091117_dbt_bitstream_beta37.exe) with no jitter correction on bitstream formats

I have removed some traces, but I recommand first to test without allowDPRINTF set.

It will stop to resist us this #§;:!% renderer !

PS : about DTS-HD, there is no jitter, I suspect the renderer to switch back to DTS mode.

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

I'm come back :)

So the is the log for Beta36 : With allowprintf enable :
LOG Beta 36 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/logbeta36.zip).

I go to test Beta37 :)

Big thx :)

So no light and no sound but good ident Channel on TrueHD but 6ch on DTS (over mouse ffdshow icon).
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

:)

With Beta37 :
The first time, i have DTS MSTR appear :) but no sound lol
No TrueHD appear for me for this moment.

But it strange when i tested bitstream, after with windows i have no sound so i must start to play MP3 and when no sound appear i must play bitstream with TMT to catch the sound.

And after i can retest, and with this procedure i have DTS-MSTR appear so maybe i can have it with preview version.

It very closed to work :)
Great great Work :)
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

So i remade Test on Win7 for now with Xonar.

When i play DTS-MA, it's appear on my AVR but no sound.
To get sound (or reset AVR), i must play mp3 with Wasapi Xonar (Foobar2000) to reenable sound.

Detection of DTS-MA is 6ch and not 8ch.

But with eac3 and Truehd not appear on my AVR.
Seb :)

So the is the log for Beta37 : With allowprintf enable :
LOG Beta 37 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/logbeta37.zip).

And for Truehd, it's play too fast 2 or 3 second for 1. :)

[albain]

Okay, everything seems normal this time : delays between buffers are identical between TMT and FFDShow

Could you do the following : graphstudio + ffdshow + arcsoft renderer + launch the dumper tool on the graphstudio process. THanks again

If the bitstream are identical (which is what I expect) and if the delays between feeds are identical too, then it means that the renderer won't work without TMT and the protection path.

This is now hard to tell what's wrong : ati's driver, arcsoft renderer not accepting third party decoders, ffdshow bitstream, mpc renderer

[Sebastiii]

:)
DTS-MA appear with ATI 5xxx with Waveout Renderer only but no sound and 6ch.

With Xonar and waveout it does'nt appear lol.
Seb.

[Sebastiii]

Okay, everything seems normal this time : delays between buffers are identical between TMT and FFDShow

Could you do the following : graphstudio + ffdshow + arcsoft renderer + launch the dumper tool on the graphstudio process. THanks again

If the bitstream are identical (which is what I expect) and if the delays between feeds are identical too, then it means that the renderer won't work without TMT and the protection path.

This is now hard to tell what's wrong : ati's driver, arcsoft renderer not accepting third party decoders, ffdshow bitstream, mpc renderer

Hi,

So this is the log for DTS-MA :
Log Bitstream Beta37 (http://sebinternet.free.fr/DTSMABeta37bitstream.zip)

Seb :)

[Sebastiii]

If the bitstream are identical (which is what I expect) and if the delays between feeds are identical too, then it means that the renderer won't work without TMT and the protection path.

This is now hard to tell what's wrong : ati's driver, arcsoft renderer not accepting third party decoders, ffdshow bitstream, mpc renderer

Yep, but the AVR receive something because DTS-HD MSTR on screen. :) So it's cool :).

And with ATI it's with waveout renderer :)
Seb.

[Betsy25]

I have a problem with ffdshow video losing sync with subtitles.

Original discussion : http://codecs.freeforums.org/post9846.html#p9846

The problem is the following.

When playing a .VOB in latest MPC-HC or other media player using ffdshow video decoder the subtitles render perfectly synced as long as you don't use the position bar to jump to a different location.

When you click the position bar to jump in time the subtitles are getting horribly desync'ed.

The problem happens on all Mediaplayer using ffdshow, it works perfectly fine in the KMPlayer which uses it's own decoder chain,
or when you make MPC-HC use it's own internal MPEG-2 filter.

Please, can someone try to get this bug fixed ?

Attached is a small fraction (20MB = 40sec) of the .VOB file with the synced .srt file.
There is also a MediaInfo text file included of the full original .VOB file.

Attachment is here (20 MB) : http://rapidshare.com/files/308449631/VOB_01_1.rar

[Cheesegeezer]

I should have a log for you soon. Using the 9.10 CCC audio driver. I have the 9.11 beta to test also.

do I need to use an m2ts file or is an mkv ok?

[rica]

[CODE][2076] But this is due to all the logs, so this may be good to disable the tracing (allowDPRINTF key set to 0 in HKEY_Class_Curent_User\Software\GNU\ffdshow)


İ can't see any "allowDPRINTF" DWORD value as expected under the destination with your new ffdshow build.

BTW here are the logs gotten with MPCAudio renderer:

http://www.mediafire.com/?kikzz3yovvz
(THD gives DD light and sound, DTS-HD gives DTS light and no sound.

Arcsoft audio renderer gives no light, no sound, no debug at all.

My endpoint is set to wasapi exclusive preferred, 24/96, 48/16 and supported formats are DTS audio, DD.
My OS Vista SP2 doesn't accept 4000 drivers which samuri has but we get the the same resullt with PDVD9 renderer which means it is not an driver issue or OS mainly but decoder; i suppose.