New release of Media Player 6.4

[reepa]

"So...what should I use?"

I have tearing problems (reclock doesn't help) with VMR renderers so I just use Overlay. If you have any tearing problems you should try Overlay too.

[djpowder]

Originally posted by Liisachan
Edit2: Note that the combination "render video in 3D" + the "Bicubic" Resizing is very CPU-intensive when resizing, especially to full-screen. Another combination is advisable, such as "render video in 2D" + "Bicubic"

Edit #3
Depends, but my fav settings as of now is: Render video in 3d+Bilinear (PS2.0) [/B]

I was just experimenting with these values the other day. Rendering video in 3D and using Bicubic resizing maxed my CPU and led to choppy video in fullscreen. I also decided on render video in 3D + Bilinear (PS2.0) considering my video card supports PS2.0. :)

[samab]

Somebody at avsforum mentioned that YV12 VMR9 renderless is not supported in MPC.

Quote:

"This is the code snippet where Gabest fails connection attempts with YV12 in the VMR modes

// StretchRect's yv12 -> rgb conversion looks horribly bright compared to the result of yuy2 -> rgb
if(lpAllocInfo->Format == '21VY' || lpAllocInfo->Format == '024Y')
return E_FAIL;

All you need to do is get somebody to compile a version with those bits taken out and you're good. Maybe celtic_druid could do that if you asked.

John"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=526121

I think it would be better to contact Gabest himself to see if they can be fixed.

[Stanislas]

Hi ALL,
have anybody problems with playing CD-Audio disks via MPC? When I start trying to play CD-Audio disk MPC hang up and shut down without any comments. I try both original and russian versions of MPC 6.4.8.4. WMP10, WinDVD6 and Nero ShowTime are playing CD-Audio disks excellent.

[chros]

When I play files with DirectX (either D7 or D9) on Extended desktop, there is a strange slowing ... The picture is getting teared ...
No matter if I view Quicktime or AVI files ...

If I use Overlay everithyng is fine.

Anybody ?

Thanx

System:
AMD64 3GHz
MSI K8T NEO2-FIR
1GB RAM
Connect3D Radeon 9600XT
WinXP Pro SP2
OMEGA Radeon driver 2.6.12

Sorry for my bad english ...

[Yong]

@chros:
i thinks this is a normal behavior with VMR7/9,
if u right-click anywhere in the MPC it will slower than normal;)

[vip]

Using "Render video in 3d+Bicubic (PS2.0)" produce a strange artifacts on every music videos i got from satelite broadcast. Picture has some pixelation (dunno how to describe it more precisely) on the edges, lines doesnt looks like lines but more like a saw. If i choose Bilinear (PS2.0) everything looks just fine. This problem only happends when i play those music videos (which are interlaced), on dvd (progressive and interlaced) and divx/xvid everything is ok. It could be a bug in the nVidia drivers of my GF6600 (i tried 71.84 and 76.44), or it could be something wrong with MPC (v6.4.8.4). I'll try to make screenshots later.
My PC config: Intel Prescott 3GHz, 512Mb DDR RAM, GF6600 128Mb, WinXP SP2.

Ok, there are some samples...
Bilinear: http://x69.narod.ru/images/mpc/bil_samp.png
Bicubic: http://x69.narod.ru/images/mpc/bic_samp.png

Here are a big pictures: bicubic (http://x69.narod.ru/images/mpc/big/bicubic.png), bilinear (http://x69.narod.ru/images/mpc/big/bilinear.png). My hosting could be very slow, sorry for that...

[Liisachan]

@djpowder
Are you on Win2k?
I cannot reproduce the VMR9 color space pb on Windows XP, which I can reproduce on my Win2k. On my windows XP, VMR9 renderless + ffdshow works fine, altho ffdshow uses YUY2 by default not YV12. (If I use VMR7 renderless + ffdshow on Windows XP, then ffdshow's default is YV12.)

[Synth]

I also have the tearing issue whenever using VMR7 or 9. I am on win2k. Videocard is ATI Radeon 7200 using Catalyst 5.4.
Using MPC 6.4.8.4 Final. FFDSHOW 20050506.



Test Clip: DivX 5 encoded. VMR9 Renderless Mode in MPC.

I420/IYUV: Says YV12,adj.
YVYU: Tearing. Says YVYU.
YV12: if forced to this alone, no tearing. YV12,adj it says.
YUY2: if forced to this alone, no tearing. YUY2 it says.
UYVY: if forced to this alone, no tearing. UYVY it says.
ALL + Select closet matching colorspace: Defaults to RGB32. Tearing.



Other issue: I think RGB mode is broken in ffdshow, since I can't get video at all if I force to RGB24,16 or 15.

Question:

If DivX 5 is natively YV12 then why does anything have to be "adjusted" on playback as the YV12,adj suggests?
Is it that the ffdshow decoder works in a non YV12 mode?

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by Synth
Other issue: I think RGB mode is broken in ffdshow, since I can't get video at all if I force to RGB24,16 or 15.

Maybe this has nothing to do with your pb, but I experienced the similar pb when I was testing other players than MPC (Bs or ZP), and it was solved by unchecking "Use overlay mixer" in the ffdshow box. Btw, try RGB32, not 15 16 etc., anyway.

If DivX 5 is natively YV12 then why does anything have to be "adjusted" on playback as the YV12,adj suggests?
Is it that the ffdshow decoder works in a non YV12 mode? I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but:
- Generally ffdshow _can_ work in the YV12 mode. However, apparently MPC (at least on win2k) doesn't like to pass YV12 to ffdshow in the VMR9 renderless. In this exceptional situation, ffdshow is getting YUY2 by default, not YV12. If you disable YUY2, then it uses UYVY. If you disable UYVY too, then it uses RGB32.

As another note, YV12 is not full-color RBG (i.e. its not like each individual pixel has RGB(0,0,0)-RGB(255,255,255) info internally). In theory, you might want to watch your video in the "faithful" YV12 color space as it is, without upsampling to the full RGB, but they wouldn't look beautiful.

Converting (upsampling) to RGB32 by ffdshow is one solution, but not always the best solution, as it is CPU-intensive. If that is what you are asking, read this FAQ:

D12. Why do red areas in my clip look blocked or pixelated? (http://ronald.vslcatena.nl/docs/xvidfaq.html#D12)

*

BTW, I think MPC's "VMR9 renderless" behaves differently depending on which OS you are using, Windows 2000 or XP. Can anyone confirm this?:confused:

[djpowder]

Liisachan,

Sorry for late reply. I am in fact on Windows XP, not 2k. I don't have access to my computer right now so I'm not going to be much help. :(

[wata]

no one have this problem with the lastest version?

when going from fullscreen back to window, all other programs that has always on top turn on (like dc meter etc) will not be on top anymore, it hide behind the next application you click

v (6.8.4)

any video type (realmedia/xvid etc)
output mode - try all overlay mixer/vmr - all same problem

system info:-
windows 2000
directx v9.00c
ati 9550

[masken]

Must report a bug that's been in MPC for ages hehe ;)

When you go File > Open file..., and select more than one file, the order of the files selected gets reversed/screwed up. Really annoying.

[LigH]

Here, MS Windows is to blame - it switches the first and the last of a group (the rest is in the selected order). MPC would have to work around this Windows bug.

[masken]

hmm... would it be possible to use any of the newer open file dialogues in Windows instead? It seems that other apps that uses the "new style" open file dialogue doesn't have this problem. Although I'm not a coder myself so I don't know if the routines for handling this is done elsewhere within the specific application then perhaps, or the bug might be fixed in these newer versions?

[Doom9]

there are tons of apps that have that particular problem. The easiest workaround is to select the files in reverse order, start with the last and finish with the first.. that'll get them to you in the proper order.

I don't know what you mean by "newer open file dialogues", MPC uses the most current one. I believe that in those programs where this works properly, the programmer(s) just implemented a workaround in the code, switching the first and last member of the collection of files.

[masken]

you're right, MPC uses the "newer" one, was referring to the "XP-style" file open dialogue with the favorites etc.. somehow I thought MPC didn't use that one but indeed it does. My bad :/

Strange bug... If you select the files by clicking on them in order, "1.avi" "2.avi" "3.avi" "4.avi", they are cueued as "4.avi" "1.avi" "2.avi" "3.avi". This is also the case if you select them via the keyboard. But if you make a drag-box selection with the mouse, or as Doom9 says, select them all backwards, they're cueued correctly.

[slavickas]

Originally posted by masken
you're right, MPC uses the "newer" one, was referring to the "XP-style" file open dialogue with the favorites etc.. somehow I thought MPC didn't use that one but indeed it does. My bad :/

Strange bug... If you select the files by clicking on them in order, "1.avi" "2.avi" "3.avi" "4.avi", they are cueued as "4.avi" "1.avi" "2.avi" "3.avi". This is also the case if you select them via the keyboard. But if you make a drag-box selection with the mouse, or as Doom9 says, select them all backwards, they're cueued correctly.

ctrl + a, should work also (of course if there aren't any unneeded files). it's windows "feature", atleast programs written in delphi behaves the same way

[QQ]

i wonder if anyone ever is going to release MPC Lite :)

[LigH]

Ctrl+A just selects "all" files. But what if you don't want "all" files, but just a few of them? Then you will have to select them one by one, or groupwise.

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by QQ
i wonder if anyone ever is going to release MPC Lite :) From what I heard, there _were_ some MPC Lite builds in Japan (so probably localized) on March 2005, they released the modified source code too in accordance with GPL. Another "MPC Alternative" is Project Cowbell (http://www.geocities.com/projectcowbell/).

You might want to try mplayer2 (WMP 6.4)--I assume MPC is basically mplayer2++ so mplayer2 is "MPC Lite" in a way.

Personally I'll stick to the normal version because I do need some of its advanced features. Although the current MPC is not perfect either (VMR9 renderless and YV12 output don't mix well for one thing), I don't know any better players for my purposes. That said, I do understand there should be some people who want to see "MPC Lite"--because, simply they don't need some (or all) of advanced/experimental features such as OGM MKV DSM NUT DRC etc. etc.

[QQ]

I know I myself have tried to build a "Lite" version of MPC, and somewhat succeeded to do so, but haven't told anyone bout it, cause:

a) i have no idea about all those licences, so don't want to angry someone
b) strangely, even after taking out all the decoders, splitters, webservers and other fancy stuff, the exe size still didn't go much down, and the startup time still was big! i prolly didnt do good enough with compiler/linker settings, and it still linked some unneeded libs.. that's my guess anyway. And I got tired of all the problems with compiling.. i mean, im not great at it, and since it tends to break apart and spit thousands of errors at you for any single change, it got somewhat annoying;p

and i *am* using mplayer2 as my main player! it's great - lightweight, fast, it's GUI is just what i need, with some minor missing features. the only problem with it is that it sucks with windowsmedia videos :( it seeks them SO SLOW. Well, that and some other minor quirks.

So yeah, i'd LOVE to see Lite version of MPC. If MPC could be brought down to startup times of wmp64, it'd be amazing!

[Stebs]

Unfortunately the new MS DXVA patch for WMP10 does not work with MPC (or I just could not get it to run)
Anybody knows if there is a chance that it might work someday in an new MPC version?
I hope this acceleration is not a typical Microsoft "secret" thing...

With my 6600GT "Step into liquid" 1080p runs with 100% CPU and sometimes laggy, now in Microsoft Media Player it takes 50-55% and looks great!
-just need that too with MPC :)

[Airw0lf]

Unfortunately the new MS DXVA patch for WMP10 does not work with MPC (or I just could not get it to run)
Anybody knows if there is a chance that it might work someday in an new MPC version?
I hope this acceleration is not a typical Microsoft "secret" thing...

With my 6600GT "Step into liquid" 1080p runs with 100% CPU and sometimes laggy, now in Microsoft Media Player it takes 50-55% and looks great!
-just need that too with MPC :)

I am interested in knowing this too. I fear it may be a typical Microsoft secret trick to force people to use their crappy WMP10...

[Fluffbutt]

Unfortunately the new MS DXVA patch for WMP10 does not work with MPC (or I just could not get it to run)
Anybody knows if there is a chance that it might work someday in an new MPC version?
I hope this acceleration is not a typical Microsoft "secret" thing...

With my 6600GT "Step into liquid" 1080p runs with 100% CPU and sometimes laggy, now in Microsoft Media Player it takes 50-55% and looks great!
-just need that too with MPC :)

What did you do to try getting the dxva patch working in MPC?

[yaz]

some n00b questions (asked before for sure, but can't find the answers now) :

- how should i set ffdshow to be the default mpeg2 decoder for dvd playback (so when opend w/ctrl-d). it does not pop in even if i set it to 'preferred' in the 'overrides'
- how should i select any subtitles when playing back a dvd from .ifo ? i can't see the 'subtitle' option in the option-window but the streams are listed in the mpeg-splitter pulldown.
- how to change the color of the subtitles when playing back a dvd ? if i just touch anything in the subtitles options, the subtitle disappears at once.
- is there any way to force the dvd subtitles to the black bar when opened to full screen ? (i guess no, but maybe)

thx
y

[LigH]

Using ffdshow as MPEG-2 decoder is probably not the best idea: It works when enabling "MPEG-2" being handled in the "Codecs" page of the "Video decoder configuration". But: ffdshow doesn't handle CSS encrypted DVDs. You will only see green or nonsense.

[Liisachan]

- is there any way to force the dvd subtitles to the black bar when opened to full screen ?

I'm not sure, but did you try Options | Subtitles | Override placement?

[yaz]

It works when enabling "MPEG-2" being handled in the "Codecs" page of the "Video decoder configuration".of course i did it, but to make it pop in i must disable all the other dvd decoders (power, win, nero, aso aso). i guess i should somehow set in the overrides but ... how ?
But: ffdshow doesn't handle CSS encrypted DVDs. You will only see green or nonsense.khmm ... i don't want ffdshow to handle decryption but only decoding. i can watch 'any dvd' on my pc, anyway ;)
I'm not sure, but did you try Options | Subtitles | Override placement?thx, i give it a try.

thx
y

[Stebs]

What did you do to try getting the dxva patch working in MPC?
Well, first I have to say that dxva acceleration IS working, but only with Windows Media Player.
In MPC (the latest 6.4.8.4) I tried all Output modes, from "System Default" to "VMR9 (renderless)", also tried the 3 VMR 7/9 (renderless) & Direct 7/9 settings.
Dont think that there is any other relevant setting to try out. So apparently no dxva acceleration for now (or ever?) :(

[Fluffbutt]

The reason I asked is that if you unpack the windows update file, all you get is a few updated dll's

(wmp.dll
wmvcore.dll
wmvdmod.dll)

if you manually move with overwrite to the system32 folder (or wherever else they may go) then MPC should access them as normal when playing wmv files.
Seeing as there's no .exe, means that there's no special WMP 10 update as such, it's a codec update... MPC should use it as normal, dxva accel'd.

I don't even have WMP 9 or 10 here (so I had to unpack them manually - they won't install properly if you don't have the required player), and MPC seems to be running hardware accel OK.

Well, first I have to say that dxva acceleration IS working, but only with Windows Media Player.
In MPC (the latest 6.4.8.4) I tried all Output modes, from "System Default" to "VMR9 (renderless)", also tried the 3 VMR 7/9 (renderless) & Direct 7/9 settings.
Dont think that there is any other relevant setting to try out. So apparently no dxva acceleration for now (or ever?) :(

[yaz]

@ligh, liisachan, (me)
no success on any front :( any (more) idea ? i really want to tame this excellent stuff to play dvds just as i want.
thx
y

[Stebs]

The reason I asked is that if you unpack the windows update file, all you get is a few updated dll's

(wmp.dll
wmvcore.dll
wmvdmod.dll)

if you manually move with overwrite to the system32 folder (or wherever else they may go) then MPC should access them as normal when playing wmv files.Unpacked the patch and compared the dll's to those in my system32, they where the same here, so the Patch did put them correctly in there.
Seeing as there's no .exe, means that there's no special WMP 10 update as such, it's a codec update... MPC should use it as normal, dxva accel'd.Yes, that's what I thought too at first, but somehow this isnt the case...
I don't even have WMP 9 or 10 here (so I had to unpack them manually - they won't install properly if you don't have the required player), Did the update just to have dxva accel, only use MPC. There was an (required) update to the DRM from Microsoft and an update to the Player itself (with the new dll's). Perhaps Microsoft found a way to restrict accel. to their own Player, or perhaps there is some "special way" to activate dxva accel. that MPC currently does not have (a new Output mode etc.)
and MPC seems to be running hardware accel OK. Are you really really sure? - You would be the only one where it works (with MPC)...
So you have a 6600GT or a 6800 PCIe and an relatively new driver?
Please test it with some HDTV wmv file, here (http://download.microsoft.com/download/e/a/d/eadb9b42-728b-42b0-bfdf-b472fa2a2464/Step_into_Liquid_1080.exe) is an direct link to a free test file (114 Mb), Step into liquid 1080p which is known to be one of the most "nasty" files for the CPU and therefore often used for such tests. On this site you can find some other Testfiles: WMV HD Content Showcase (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx)
Now compare the CPU-usage both under WMP and MPC, normally under MPC it should be definately higher. If it is the same, there are 2 possibilities:

1. dxva wmv accel with MPC really works for you! - then we should work further to get it to run for everybody.
2. dxva wmv accel never works for you, perhaps because you just copied the 3 dlls and missed some required stuff (DRM - :mad: )
CPU-usage should be quite high, how much is it and what System do you have (also HT enabled or not)?

Thanks!

[Fluffbutt]

I'll try those.

On other wmv's Mpc and a newly installed WMP both give me 6 to 9 % cpu use.

(Athlon xp 2800, 1G ram, 6600GT agp card).

[Stebs]

Thats fairly low, BUT, I assure you... those HD wmv's (especially "Step into liquid" in its 1080p flavor) will throw your System onto it's knees (100% CPU) without working wmv accel. :eek:
Thats those situations where the accel. is really helpfull.
Can watch it without accel. with my 3200+, 1 Gb Ram and 6600GT but with CPU at 100% and sometimes audio gets unsync. So this file is exactly on the borderline for my System. Athlon64 seem to do alot better there.

Well, maybe I will do a last upgrade for my AGP-System and buy an 6800GT for 230 €, so goodbye wmv-accel.... :(

[roror]

is there any doc of any kind for media player classic? Especially for the options. I was wondering what the normalize check box mean in the audio decoders section.

[Liisachan]

Docs are here, originally in Russian, but translated into English too.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=144472

"normalization" or "normalization to 100%" is to amplify the audio file as much as possible while making sure that clipping won't happen.

For instance, if the peak level of your audio file is 75%, or 49152/65535,
you can multiply each sample by (roughly) 1.333 and the peak level of the resulted file will be 100%.
If multiplied by 1.2, the resulted file is not "maximized" (but not harmless either). If multiplied by 1.5, the resulted file will be "clipped" level-wise and distorted because every samples between 43690-49152 will be overflowed when multiplied by 1.5 and will be mapped to the max possible value 65535.

It is called "normalization" because "normalized" files have the same audio peak level digital-wise. Normalization (to 100%) might be helpful when the original audio level is too low even if you max the volume.
On the other hand, if your audio file is quiet by nature (as the artists made it quiet on purpose, such as in a quiet lullaby), maybe you don't want to normalize it to 100%.
You might want to read about Replay Gain too.
http://www.replaygain.org/

[Peuj]

I have problem to watch the videos from http://files.filefront.com/Rogue_Combo_Video;3888187;/fileinfo.html

I can play the video but the images don't move or maybe just at the middle and the end.

If I try with WMP it works well, so I don't think it's a codec problem.

If somebody knows what to do ?

Thanks

[roror]

Liisachan, thanks a bunch for both the doc link and the detail on normalization. When I was watching a DVD the volume was low even on max vol. When I checked that box it was good. So, I was wondering if why that was not the default. Now it's clear. Thanks.

[Stebs]

I have problem to watch the videos from http://files.filefront.com/Rogue_Combo_Video;3888187;/fileinfo.html

I can play the video but the images don't move or maybe just at the middle and the end.

If I try with WMP it works well, so I don't think it's a codec problem.

If somebody knows what to do ?

ThanksIt seems the build-in Avi Splitter has a Problem with those S-Mpeg 4 version 2 (juck!) files. In View, Options, Filters try to unckeck Avi under Source Filters and it should work...

[Peuj]

It seems the build-in Avi Splitter has a Problem with those S-Mpeg 4 version 2 (juck!) files. In View, Options, Filters try to unckeck Avi under Source Filters and it should work...
Yep it works, it's a problem with build-in Avi Splitter.

Thanks

[Fluffbutt]

Thats fairly low, BUT, I assure you... those HD wmv's (especially "Step into liquid" in its 1080p flavor) will throw your System onto it's knees (100% CPU) without working wmv accel. :eek:
Thats those situations where the accel. is really helpfull.
Can watch it without accel. with my 3200+, 1 Gb Ram and 6600GT but with CPU at 100% and sometimes audio gets unsync. So this file is exactly on the borderline for my System. Athlon64 seem to do alot better there.

Well, maybe I will do a last upgrade for my AGP-System and buy an 6800GT for 230 €, so goodbye wmv-accel.... :(

Yah, you's right.. Accel not working here, "Step.." gives 90% cpu use constantly. Oh well looks like M$ fooked us all again...

[MSlv]

Don't know what happened, but mpc 6.4.8.4 is useless atm. it freezes when playing DVDs (any kind), and instead of audio, I hear a constant hiss-like sound, not even a bit from the original sound. this hiss happens with mp3s and with movies too (mp3 or ac3 audio, doesn't matter). I just can't figure out what's wrong. I'm gonna try older versions, (if I ca find any) and see if these work...

correction: it seems mpc can play dvds just fine now, except for the sound part - now the hiss-like sound is present when playing DVDs too.

[FredThompson]

Use GSpot beta and see if your codec precedence is screwed up. Did you load any Sony apps lately?

[Liisachan]

@ligh, liisachan, (me)
no success on any front :( any (more) idea ? i really want to tame this excellent stuff to play dvds just as i want.
thx
y

One possibility is, disable MPC's sub renderer and use VSFilter.
VSFilter has this option in the "General" tab:

Picture Size
Vertical padding (if you want to move the subtitles below the picture)

Not sure if it works for you.
You can position subs as you like if you get IDX+SUB, but you don't want to go that far, right?

[MSlv]

Use GSpot beta and see if your codec precedence is screwed up. Did you load any Sony apps lately?

I did a system resote from 1st of June and it works again. I was not missing any codecs (all files worked great in wmp10 and BSPlayer).

Also, I did install SonicStage on the 2nd of June (that's why I chose 01.06.2005 for restoration), but I don't know if that could be it. I mean, I uninstalled it when I read that and it still didn't work.

The thing is... I need SonicStage to put MP3s on my Sony Walkman player. The player is useless without this app!

[yaz]

One possibility is, disable MPC's sub renderer and use VSFilter ... Not sure if it works for you.thx ! i'll try that. anyway,
- how can i 'disable sub renderer' ? is it enough to switch off 'auto-load subs' or do i need sg more ?
- how can i configure vsfilter ? it's a single dll now. does it have a 'Configure' entry or sg ?
- is vmr9 ok for vsfilter or should i switch to overlay ?
You can position subs as you like if you get IDX+SUB, but you don't want to go that far, right?no, if not necessary. i don't want to rip all of my dvds just for watching :D

thx
y

[Liisachan]

sorry yaz, I tried MPC and VLC, but I couldn't do what you wanted to :(

[yaz]

yep ... no success ...

- i tried vsfilter (2.36) but it seems not to react to any settings :confused: i'll try some former versions.

- i played a bit w/ffdshow too. strange.
if i load the ifo (of a grabbed dvd) ffdshow pops in. if i load a vob or the folder as 'dvd on hw' mpc refuses to use ffdshow (the same as when attempting to play back from the disc). i tried to connect ffdshow by hand in graphedit but it stated 'type incompatibility' :confused: i've thought mpeg2 is mpeg2 but i seemed to be wrong. does anyone know what 'media-type' is passed by a vob ?

thx
y

[LigH]

I never configured VobSub as AviSynth plugin, I always had to change the IDX file to determine the behaviour.

And unfortunately, since it became VSFilter for AviSynth 2.5, it is no longer able to smoothly fade in / out or display partial transparency; but no one ever seemed to be interested in this flaw until today, so I have to use LoadPluginEx2. :mad:

So I would guess that the same is true for using VSFilter.dll as DirectVobSub - configuration via IDX file entries; you may have to use tools from the older VobSub 2.23 package, or a text editor.