New release of Media Player 6.4

[Safai]

Thanks! I can use a playlist in place of the filename, right?

Oh...a question just pops to my mind, does it support any kind of remote software? (or IPC messages and stuff)... cuz i would like to use it with my remote (ATI Remote Wonder)... i could possibly write the plugin for it... ;)

How about multi-CDs stuff? any plans for that?

Great player by the way!

[Shernand]

Gabest :

The avi file is really a .ogg file renamed to .avi (with 1 audio and 1 video stream).

I also found another bug :

If in the Filters tab, i check the Intervideo Audio Processor, the ac3 movies sound LOTS better, but, when i try to open a "normal" avi file, with mp3 audio for example, it shows the first frame of the video, then freezes, and when i check the audio filters, i can see that mplayerc inserted the Intervideo Audio Processor (dunno why, since i'm not playing an avi with a ac3 stream).

I'm using Intervideo Filters version 4.0.11.83 from Intervideo WinDVD 4.0 (Windows 98 Second Edition).

Br,
Shernand

[gabest]

Safai:

You could send WM_COMMAND messages to the main window of mpc. But then I also need to put the avaliable command IDs out somewhere.

What's that "multi-cd" thing? Is this something which is not possible with playlists?

Shernand:

The filters you select will always be insterted (unless they can't be). How could I guess if one filter likes only ac3?

And a new test version :)
http://download.vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc98me6406.zip
http://download.vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc2kxp6406.zip

Almost forgot, the new features to test:
- subtitling with directx9 under any OS (except win95 of course).
- the possible incompatibilities of the audio switcher. (there is one already, under win9x the speaker mapping only works with the waveout renderer)

[Safai]

Originally posted by gabest
What's that "multi-cd" thing? Is this something which is not possible with playlists?

umm... you know those 2cd rips... when the first one finishes, ask for the 2nd one or play from the 2nd cd-rom drive...

i'll try hacking with spy and the command messages for the remote... :)

[gabest]

Ah, ever since I have two drives I always forgot about things like this :)

I think this could be solved simply by asking for the file if it is on the playlist but cannot be found (and I might also check the path whether it is pointing to a removable something at all).

[ookzDVD]

@gabest,

the latest test version 406 is rock! ;)
no audio filter problem anymore.

[Safai]

gabest:

how come it does not list my subtitles in the subtitle menu? it is grayed out... i'm using your dvobsub btw... will there by a button (or shortcut or message) so that i can cycle through the subs? (off -> sub1 -> sub2 -> off -> ...)?

others:

here is a first version of the plugin for those who have an ATI Remote Wonder and use MPC. Will add installer later... (that is if the attachment shows up)...

[Shernand]

Hi Gabest ;)

I just tested the new test version, i now works GREAT with ogg streams (in .avi files) so now due to this 48k-44.1k downsampling, i'll finally watch candidate for goddess with *NICE* sound!, thanks a lot again! ;)

Also, an idea for a switch :

ON - When mplayerc detects the "InterVideo Audio Decoder" in the graph, it will automatically insert the "InterVideo Audio Processor" (and optionally set the number of speakers for it too ;))

OFF - Nothing is inserted automatically ;)

Do you like the idea? Since i only want to insert the InterVideo Audio Processor when the InterVideo Audio Decoder is active, this should solve the problem ;)

Thanks again for your effort in implementing cool features ;)

Br,

-- Shernand

[Yusaku]

Shernand: What do you need the IVI Audio Processor for? Dunno, maybe you have different version - but mine allows only chain of DMO filters to be inserted as one DShow filter, thus replicating MPCs filter list - but without adding anything.

You can just go to "InterVideo Container DMO" tab in its config dialog and check all filters that are checked there in MPC as well. Plus, it'll work for all files, not just AC3s.

Off to another question: Anyone knows about some DShow audio filter that will create DolbyHeadphones effect?
I know just about CyberLink Audio Effect (claudfx.ax), but it needs to be configured before connecting it to the pins of the graph... probably through some proprietary function :( Without it, it is probably left uninitialized and just _sometimes_ (about 2% of the time :( ) works, when you get lucky and the garbage that was in the memory before turns it on. (you need to copy the mplayerc.exe to powerdvd directory to enable the filter)

[Shernand]

Yusaku : It maybe the version number, acording to Dvd Genie, the filter versions is 4.0.11.83, now, i'll explain the differance i hear when i put the InterVideo Audio Processor in the graph :

1 - Louder sound without any noticeable quality loss (very good for me since my speakers are not the most powerful on earth ;))

2 - More "Surrounding" sound, sound effects just seems more vivid, it's hard to explain, but surely it's doing something that keeps the sound effects "sound" more realistic.

That's it ;)

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Safai: That menu is only for its own loaded subtitles. You can find the stream selection of the filters at the "filters" submenu :)

Shernand: I don't like adding such workarounds, what would others think who may try to use it for mp3 too. Once it gets inserted, then mysteriously not.

Yusaku:I know just about CyberLink Audio Effect (claudfx.ax), but it needs to be configured before connecting it to the pins of the graph...And if I showed you the config dialog right after the filter was added but before connected? The only little problem is that I need to extend the user interface somehow to let the user also select which filter to handle like that :eek:

[Shernand]

Gabest : You can leave it OFF by default, so nobody can complain ;)

(And you could put it near the "set intervideo speakers" switch)

But it's your call after all to include it or not, it's just an idea to make things easier ;)

Br,

-- Shernand

[Safai]

gabest: okay... never noticed that before... it's gonna be tough hacking in the cycling for subs... i'll give it a try... :)

btw, what do you mean "own loaded subtitles"? isn't the dvobsub loaded by its own? :confused:

[Shernand]

Gabest : I tested the VMR9 (renderless) mode under win98se using DirectX 9 RC0 (public version made avaiable), the results were that subtitles are displayed ok, but using ffdshow, it also adds an AVI Decompressor (YV12) and a color space converter which seems to add a lot of "noise" to the image, btw, i'm using the latest Detonator Drivers which are WHQL certified, and a Geforce 2 MX 200.

When i switched off ffdshow, the color converter was gone, but an AVI Decompressor (DIV3) appeared, also the noise was there :(

Hope this helps ;)

-- Shernand

[gabest]

A gfmx2 can handle yuy2->rgb conversion in hardware but not yv12->rgb, and because of this a color converter codec may get in the way. Now I don't remember exactly, but if ffdshow can be set to force yv12 output only, then try to disable this feature.

[Yusaku]

Gabest: That would be quite useful... IMHO you can hack it just to registry tree. But also add a REG_BINARY key that will contain list of scancodes of keys to send to dialog :)

Users that cannot make scancodes list to autoconfigure the dialog won't use it anyway (who would configure it everytime the player starts), and users who can can run regedit as well.

[Shernand]

Originally posted by gabest
A gfmx2 can handle yuy2->rgb conversion in hardware but not yv12->rgb, and because of this a color converter codec may get in the way. Now I don't remember exactly, but if ffdshow can be set to force yv12 output only, then try to disable this feature.

Gabest : Tryied that, even tryied to use DivX 5.02's directshow decoder, but without any luck, the "noise" is still there always :(

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Yusaku: Ahhh, of course. Smells like a hack, it would surely broke something in the future :)

Shernand: I've got an idea about this. Under win9x/2k the default render can be connected with rgb only, and this usually pulls in a color converter after the decoder (you can check this in graphedit). The problem is that I first render the graph fully and only then try to replace the renderers. Because of this the automatically inserted transform filters may stay stucked in the graph... I'm going to try to chop off these till the real decoder filter, and render its output again into the VMR9 directly.

[Yusaku]

What's so hacky about it? Remember macrocamera in Win 3.0? I loved it :p

Ad real decoder filter: As an owner of Matrox card with its DVDMax, I'd like a possibility to leave DVobSub in. And even if it will apply just to VMR9 mode - some people use ffdshow to do postprocessing only...

And once more a question that probably got lost somewhere: Keyboard shortcut to [Mute] button is what? "m" that worked in WMP is not working...

[phrentec]

Gabest, can you please add .mov to the file formats to associate with in the next release of media player classic because with realone v2 installed and the interaction of realmedia files option checked in media player classic it is now possible to play quicktime files without using the slow quicktime player.

also I have been using MPC for a while now and just today I found out that you can view TV with a tv tuner so I tried it and it actually works. but thats not just it. there was also a feature to RECORD the video and audio! I am just totally dumbfounded by how great MPC is. Thank you Gabest!

[gabest]

Yusaku: Hm, this can be a problem. Then I will only remove the "AVI Decompressor" filter when it only transforming between uncompressed formats and is after another decoder. (Mute: ctrl+m, as it was in the menu of wmp64 :))

phrentec: Can you play quicktime with mpc using the realmedia codecs??? The recording function is not always very good at keeping the a/v in sync... But for viewing only it is fine. It even works without overlay, not like btv, which is unable to start up in a multi-monitor config.

[Shernand]

Gabest : That's great, since the subtitle support in MPC is far better than ffdshow's (which i'm using right now to display subtitles), and the fact is that MPC can display the subs "outside" the video, also, could you add an alternate path to search for subtitles, that's useful due that sometimes i burn a movie to a cd, then, 10-15 days after, the subtitle (spanish in my case) shows up in the net and i want to use it with the movie i burnt ;)

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Shernand:

Please try the VMR9 again with these builds:
http://download.vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc98me6406.zip
http://download.vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc2kxp6406.zip

phrentec: After I had updated the RealOne player with the QT plugin it told me to also install the QuickTime player to be able play .mov/.qt files. LOL, this sounds familiar from somewhere :D

[phrentec]

you can't play quicktime using real media codecs but the latest version of realone supports playing of quicktime files through the realone player but quicktime codecs have to be installed (or just quicktime itself). Oh nevermind i just read the last post. yeah qucktime is required. but MPC now serves as the single best alternative UI player for all the popular media formats.

[gabest]

I think I'm going to look more deeply inside that QT SDK. So far I've only noticed an activex control with annoying, always visible buttons/seekbar at the bottom of the client area.

[gabest]

Doh, it looks like RealOne is also using the same embeded QT player with the controls at the bottom... That's not a big deal.

[Shernand]

Gabest : The color converter and the other "useless" stuff is gone, and the new logo is really cool ;)

But still, there's a little catch, since it seems that ffdshow isn't applying postprocessing at all, due that i can see macroblocks on the walls, etc (i would send a screenshot of the "with" and "without" DirectX9 renderless for you to see it), but every time i try to use Printscreen, then paste to Paint, it doesn't work :(

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Are you using your desktop in 16bpp?

You can make a screenshot if you run another player in the background, though I have no idea why it runs in overlay, since it should be an rgb surface for d3d.

[Shernand]

Gabest : Yes, my desktop is set at 16bpp.

I'll try to make the screenshots ;)

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Maybe the backbuffer gets allocated in 16bpp as well. I'll see if I can force 32bpp and if it still going to work on a 16bpp desktop.

[gabest]

It didn't work, a 16bpp dektop will never show the video without quality loss using the VMR.

[Swede]

Maybe it's of no use/importance but the .06 release don't like any AC3-.avi. At least not here...
Revoking to .05 and everything is ok.

[Shernand]

Gabest : Switching to 32bpp desktop seems to fix it, but also, i can't leave my desktop at 32bpp since lots of other apps have problem with it / run slower :(

He're a screenshot of an scene using VMR9 with 16bpp, hope it helps fixing the problem ;)

http://206.99.54.1/nydia-52/vmr9_1.png

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Swede: With which ac3 decoder? Is the audio switcher turned on/off in the options?

[Swede]

Ouch. Sorry for beeing so un-informative!
I'm using Valex AC3-decoder and sure, unchecking 'Audio-switcher' did the trick. Sorry for not checking this out this before I posted but I've gotten so spoiled with your progs just doing everything the right way without me doing anything. :D

Thnx a mill for your time.

[Shernand]

Gabest : I rethinked it, and from now on i'll use 32bpp, the vmr9 mode works very nice with that ;)

Btw, about the Intevideo Audio Processor, any news, or should i activate it manually when i'm going to watch a DVD or an AVI with AC3 sountrack? ;)

-- Shernand

[gabest]

Shernand: Hehe, I've never really understood why ppl still use their desktop in 16bpp. It may run faster with an old riva128/i740/3dfx/trident/etc. card, but while having a geforce or better card with a GHz+ cpu... On the other hand, full screen 3d games still run a lot faster in 16bpp, and I would never want to get killed just because I could not position the mouse cursor over somebody's head fast enough :P

About the ivideo filter. I haven't had time to think about it yet :)

Swede: Where could I get this ac3 decoder? Is it part of some dvd player?

[Swede]

I thought it was a well known one... http://xvalex.hotbox.ru/programs/ac3filter/

[gabest]

Ok-ok, I know this filter, just not from this name, to me it was the "ac3filter from sourceforge" :) But anyway, so far this filter worked for me fine. Aren't you under win9x and using the dsound filter? Or isn't it the spdif not working?

[Swede]

Originally posted by gabest
Aren't you under win9x and using the dsound filter? Or isn't it the spdif not working? Nope. XP prof. I've got a X-fire 1024 and using this filter I get the SPDIF straight out to my decoding (lousy) KINYO-box. The thing I noticed between .05 and .06 was that (with the switch-checkbox on) MPC wouldn't even start the .avi, it just stopped and didn't react to any 'Play' attempt. I didn't crash or anything, it just would not play. Un-checking the audio-switch made it revert to normal.

[bbq@KL]

Anyone using InterVideo Video Decoder and VMR9? I can only use them to play non-anamorphic and 4:3 materials. CPU usage is 100% when I am playing anamorphic DVDs.

I tried the DirectShow filters from WinDVD 3.0/3.1/3.2/4.0/4.5 and all of them do not really like anamorphic stuff. CyberLink PowerDVD and Sonic CinePlayer can play any DVDs without 100% CPU usage. Overlay Mixer and VMR7 are working fine for any DirectShow filters, too.

Do you think the aspect ratio control of InterVideo Video Decoder is "confusing" VMR9? Thank you very much.

[phrentec]

regarding the screenshots: don't try to use the default prt. scr. on the keyboard for it's no use to capture video screen shots. you will need to use a seperate screen capture program if you want to get it right because by default windows doesn't support.

but to get the screenshot of the video the preferred method is to:

Use virtualdub, open the video, go to the exact frame number you want to capture, then hit the prt scr button on the top left of your keyboard, goto a photo editor (paint, or xnview or whatever) and paste it. Also, from whithin virtualdub there is an option under the option menu to enable direct draw acceleration, if that helps.

Gabest: nevermind all that quicktime stuff. MPC is good just the way it is. anything else added (quicktime related) to it could render it unstable or make it jumbo and again it's good just the way it is.

[gabest]

Swede:
Could you connect graphedit to mpc and check what filters are there and if the audio switcher is disconnected from the ac3 decoder or from the audio renderer?

bbq@KL:
I didn't experience any higher cpu usage with the ivideo filter, but the nvidia one crashed badly right after calling connect on its output pin. But anyway, the VMR9 and the dvd navigator filter wouldn't be able to work together yet. It can already use the VMR7 to get the window position and handle the mouse events, but it doesn't know anything about VMR9's new interface.

[Safai]

updated the remote wonder plugin for mpc

added NSIS installer
added next/prev for dvobsub subtitles

[gabest]

This will probably be the last test version of 6406:
http://download.vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc98me6406.zip
http://download.vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc2kxp6406.zip

[masken]

Ahhh... Fullscreen > Rightclick > Video frame > Don't stretch :D

THANKS gabest! :) :) :)

There's still one little bug that I've noticed before though. If you've got a movie opened and paused, and you double-click it in explorer again, MPC tries to open another session and crashes - if DVobSub is loaded (it seems).

[Yusaku]

Yeah, I must confirm the crashing issue with DVobSub.





Also - dunno what you changed, but congratulations, claudfx.ax is now working (copy mplayerc to PDVD directory, run it and open movies through file>Open and not through windows UI so that it finds the DLLs... or copy most of pdvd dir to $windir$\system32 etc.). Now only if I could send some keys to the dialog to auto-configure it :devil:



The strangest thing is that something happened and I cannot use claudfx.ax from PowerDVD anymore - just MPC :D

[gabest]

Would you descibe how to crash mpc with dvobsub again? I opened one avi with subtitles (ffdshow+dvobsub), clicked the same avi again in explorer and it reopened just fine. Tried with single/multiple mpc instances.

p.s. I haven't done anything to make powerdvd's filter work :)

[masken]

Yeah, that's my config too. And MPC is set to one session.

Hmm... now I updated ffdshow to the latest alfa release, and I can't regenerate the error :D I ran the latest non-alfa before I think.

[gabest]

The ffdshow version here is from the 10th of october :)