New release of Media Player 6.4

[darkmsger]

a new version ??
that's really cool~
can i have another suggest too ?
is it possible to add a multilanguage feature ? just like vobsub
i tried to localize this program but the update of this program is too frequent :P

thanks
this is a really cool player :D

[Razor04]

With 6.4.4.0 I get the same CAVI2AC3 problem as several others. The problem doesn't occur if I use mplayer2. For now at least I am back to an older version...I can't live without this program now!

[Jaffy]

Remember last window position not working correctly in 6.4.4.1

Thx

[gabest]

:rolleyes:
Ah, I forgot to remove that message box... I used it to stop the flow of program and to be able to attach the debugger at the right point. This was needed because of some stupid dvd decoder filters which crash themselves when they notice a debugger. Updated to 6442.

darkmsger: Any idea how to localize it the best way? Dialog control ID to label mapped text file, or a resource only dll is not very good, they both have problems.

Jaffy: It's fine here. Could you tell me more about how not working correctly?

[Jaffy]

Mpc starts abit up and left from the last postion. When open and closed three times it ends up top left corner (started from center).

This also happens with 6.4.4.0

Only shifts when opening a file. When just opening mpc the position is correct.

Thx

[gabest]

Got it, I had to open something to see it :) It remembers the upper left corner which is not staying at the same position anymore, because the window is zoomed from the center.

[Jaffy]

Yep. Without last position checked, it opens at center of screen correctly, but its abit annoying as it wastes screen space ;p

Btw the QMC qt renderer's does not always scale back to 100% from full screen. While GDI does not play at all on my ati original radeon aiw. The directx7 one seems to be a cpu hog but works fine. (amd 1600xp: cpu 30% for QMC, 77% directx7)

Thx

[valnar]

Does MPC support chapters? If so, what format does the chapter file need to be in?

I've been using BSPlayer for awhile since it supports subtitles, chapters, AC3 and everything that I need. However, it appears development has stopped for now.

-Robert

[Uli]

Wow, guys, you're dam'n fast.
Difficult to follow you with downloading new releases... ;)

greetz, Uli

[gabest]

Btw the QMC qt renderer's does not always scale back to 100% from full screen.Sorry, I haven't seen this problem yet. But I tell you when I do. Anyone else?While GDI does not play at all on my ati original radeon aiw.Is the desktop in 16bpp? Maybe this card doesn't support the 6:5:6 rgb format only 5:5:5, but I'm only guessing :PThe directx7 one seems to be a cpu hog but works fine. (amd 1600xp: cpu 30% for QMC, 77% directx7)It should be on the same level with vmrs and the special realmedia renderer.

valnar: No, yet there isn't anything like that.

[Jaffy]

The card runs at 1600x1200@32BPP. Vmr9 works fine, except on fast panning scenes were the image tears. ( old card can't keep up :( ) Cpu load for overlay and vmr9 are the same.

Prob with using vmr9 is that holding down the left mouse button on mpc grey area cause cpu to go 100%. :confused:

I'll live with QMC renderer, still better than using quicktime player ;) plus fullscreen playback is nice.

Thx

[HarryM]

Gabest: Thanks for OGM playing hotfix! :)

[murattttt]

Thanks again for the greatest player alive! It's so alive it can make 3 updates in one day!
I was just curious if you are planning to make an installable version of MPC by the way.

[valnar]

Originally posted by gabest
valnar: No, yet there isn't anything like that.

Gabest, Any plans for that feature? If so, do you have a format in mind? Right now, my DivX movies have chapters in a .BSI file, which is specific to BSPlayer. But there are other formats available.

-robert

[darkmsger]

Originally posted by gabest

darkmsger: Any idea how to localize it the best way? Dialog control ID to label mapped text file, or a resource only dll is not very good, they both have problems.



I think a separate resource dll would be good. What kind of problem will it have ? I have very little knowledge in programming. :)

[gabest]

Resource only dlls need to be updated for every new release to not crash.

[darkmsger]

Originally posted by gabest
Resource only dlls need to be updated for every new release to not crash.
Oh, right. I forgot about that. What about mapping to a text file ? What is the disadvantage of that ?

[gabest]

I might change the ids of the controls and the text would not always fit into the same place.

[darkmsger]

Originally posted by gabest
I might change the ids of the controls and the text would not always fit into the same place.
Oh, well. I thought this was not an issue because programs like eMule can change its textfield size dynamicly :P

I'll stick to the resource hacking method for now ..:)

[alx]

Hi, is just me or anyone else noticed that when use the line
"mplayerc /fullscreen /play" the player does not start in fullscreen mode??..........i am using version 6.4.4.1........all versions does NOT present this problem.
Windows XP user.
Thanks for any comments
Alx.

[WRFan]

HELP! I just downloaded v.6.4.4.2 and it doesn't show video in mpeg2 files. or maybe it's a problem with this specific file that I have. but it's not a problem with my system, because version 6.4.3 did play the file all righty, and also wmp9 plays it back without probs. wmp classic 6.4.4.2 opens the file, but in wrong format (window is very large, but very small in the width, ok, I can maximise it, but it simply doesn't show any video, just sound is there).

I am using win xp and intervideo windvd video and audio decoders.

[CruNcher]

@ WRFan

this is a known Intervideo Demuxer Problem it wont work for now
you have to first unreg the IVIdemxx.ax then register back the mpg2splt.ax then everything will work again as normal

the IVIdemxx.ax get placed one above the WinDVD Platinium folder so if you installed it to C:\Program Files\Video\WinDVD the folder where the demuxer lies is C:\Program Files\Video\Common\Bin use a commandline window and go into that directory and type regsvr32 /u IVIdemxx.ax [ENTER] then do a regsvr32 mpg2splt.ax [ENTER] then start MPC and try again problem should be gone :)

[gabest]

alx: Seems to be another bug...

WRFan: When you open that mpeg2 file, which filters get loaded?

[HarryM]

Hmmm, hotfix exists, but OGM I can't playing still (error in OggDS.dll)... :(

[WRFan]

this is a known Intervideo Demuxer Problem it wont work for now
you have to first unreg the IVIdemxx.ax then register back the mpg2splt.ax then everything will work again as normal

the IVIdemxx.ax get placed one above the WinDVD Platinium folder so if you installed it to C:\Program Files\Video\WinDVD the folder where the demuxer lies is C:\Program Files\Video\Common\Bin use a commandline window and go into that directory and type regsvr32 /u IVIdemxx.ax [ENTER] then do a regsvr32 mpg2splt.ax [ENTER] then start MPC and try again problem should be gone

I don't actually have windvd, I uninstalled it some time ago, because it ate much harddisc space. I just left the decoders and then regsvr32-ed them.

I have the file IVIdemxx.ax on my system, so I deregistered it, and I have two files called mpg2splt.ax, one in

%systemroot%\RegisteredPackages\{44BBA855-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C}

the other in %systemroot%\system32.

I registered the file mpg2splt.ax in %systemroot%\system32, but it doesn't help. The player classic still doesn't play this mpeg2 video, while WMP 9 still has no probs with displaying the video.

When you open that mpeg2 file, which filters get loaded?

Ok, your question solved my problem :p . I was using the VMR9 Renderless device, which I had to switch on to display subtitles in a Chinese movie I was watching (my chinese is not very good :p ). so this was the problem - this device seems to have problems with mpeg2. after switching back to "system default" in the video options video is displayed again.
But this is uncomfortable - now it means I have to switch to one renderer when I watch mpeg 2 and to another when I watch mpeg4 with subtitles. this means starting the player, changing the video options, restarting it and this all the time! uncomfortable. And it's not needed in WMP 9, which works fine with everything - mpeg4 avi with subtitles (*.smi files) and mpeg2. I hope the problem can be solved, I don't want to switch the video renderer all the time

[FeWipS]

hmm i don't have this file - IVIdemxx.ax - on my system but i do have trouble with mpeg2 files, only sound playing like the problems above ^^ but since i cant unregister that i dont know what is wrong..
gabest: when playing it says it uses intervideo video filter but how can i see what file it uses :S
plz help me this player is the best but i have to be able to watch my mpegs :)
(in wmp9 it works fine but that player sux balls :P)

[WRFan]

Originally posted by FeWipS
when playing it says it uses intervideo video filter but how can i see what file it uses :S


if it's intervideo video filter, it uses the file IVIVIDEO.ax <- that's the intervideo video filter. intervideo audio filter is called iviaudio.ax

[Wedgedkc]

Hi,
I just switched to mpc (mpc2kxp6442) from Zoom Player any everything seems to work fine except one thing, DVD playback. With Zoom Player I used DVD Region Killer to be able to play DVDs from all regions. If I try to do this with mpc I get a bsod and the machine reboots. If I try to play the DVD without Region Killer the player works fine on discs with the correct region(r2) but the player hangs or reports "wrong parental level" on discs with r1. Is it possible to have an option in mpc to tell it to read DVDs the same way that Zoom Player does? Or is there any other solution? Also the DVD navigation seemed a little more responsive in Zoom Player, do they use different filters for this?

(I'm running XP with sp1)

cheers,
Wedge

[WRFan]

Originally posted by Wedgedkc
Hi,
I just switched to mpc (mpc2kxp6442) from Zoom Player any everything seems to work fine except one thing, DVD playback. With Zoom Player I used DVD Region Killer to be able to play DVDs from all regions. If I try to do this with mpc I get a bsod and the machine reboots. If I try to play the DVD without Region Killer the player works fine on discs with the correct region(r2) but the player hangs or reports "wrong parental level" on discs with r1. Is it possible to have an option in mpc to tell it to read DVDs the same way that Zoom Player does? Or is there any other solution? Also the DVD navigation seemed a little more responsive in Zoom Player, do they use different filters for this?

(I'm running XP with sp1)

cheers,
Wedge

I have also winxp, and I simply follow the tips from this page:

http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/win2000.shtml

it works without problems.

[Wedgedkc]

Originally posted by WRFan
I have also winxp, and I simply follow the tips from this page:

http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/win2000.shtml

it works without problems.

thanks for the tip but unfortunately it didn't work for me :(
is mpc supposed to be able to bypass the rpc by itself or does it need the correct region to be set? imho i think that the zoom player way of doing it with the help of region killer is a little bit more elegant since it's totally automatic. i'll try to reinstall wxp soon and see if this helps.

[gabest]

mpc is using the standard dvd navigator filter and that is respecting the current regional settings. Did you reboot after deleting that strange looking registry key and set the correct region on the dvd drive's property page?

[Wedgedkc]

i rebooted, it didn't help, the random entry didnt get back into the registry. strangely i do not have the region settings option for my dvd drive. i thought that it might be dvd region killer that's causing this so i tried to uninstall it. still no region selection. bummer. i even tried to uninstall the drive from the device manager and then reboot to detect the drive again. still no dvd properties page. i guess that a reinstallation of the os might be the only option left. :/

[gabest]

Are you searching it at the right place? If you clicked properties in explorer instead of device manager, then you have to open another property sheet on the "hardware" page.

[Wedgedkc]

i think so. please see attached screenshot.

[ookzDVD]

@gabest,

The 6.4.4.2 finally fix the problem with InterVideo AC3 DS filter,
now everything is going well :)

Thanks.

[mad_koala]

Seems that MPC refuses to work with ffdshow, result is a mess of a picture. ffdshow is 20030103 and some previous version. All other players (zoom, wmp) work fine.

[Razor04]

MPC works perfectly with FFDShow here (the 20030103 build). Only problem I have is that resize bug that is driving me up a wall. Everytime I open a new video or change the window size it moves itself to a different position instead of staying in the upper left corner where I originally put it. Quite annoying, but it is only a cosmetic bug so I can't complain too much. Besides I don't know what I would do without MPC. :)

[WRFan]

MPC has huge problems with the directx audio plugins. support for these filters has been introduced a few versions ago and the developer certainly still has to improve it. I have very many directx audio plugins and most of them work fine in Adapt-x:

http://jobsearch.chez.tiscali.fr/adaptx.htm

that's a dsp to connect audio directx plugins to WMP 9, which is really cool, if you want to change sound (noise reduction etc.) on the fly in realtime. I think the best Gabest could do would be to introduce support for this dsp to MPC, because why should he develop something that is already there? most directx filters don't work in MPC and it's uncomfortable to work with them, because one always has to open the mpc's options to get to the directx plugins, while, if he added support for dsp plugins, like in WMP 9, one could simply load Adapt-x and work with it. or, if he wants to add support for directx plugins himself, it would be better if he simplified their usage. meaning, easier access to the plugins, not through the options menu; better support so that more plugins start to work. even some soundforge plugins refuse to work, also the waves.com plugins dislike MPC and many other plugins. Also the sorting of plugins should be simplified. if one has got over 500 plugins, it's a pain in the ass sorting them, both in MPC and in Adapt-x. Soundforge's directx plugins organiser is really cool - easy to use, both MPC and adaptx should look at soundforge and learn from it - as far as support for directx plugins is concerned, as well as support for VST plugins is concerned (if wrapped by a VST-DX adapter to allow usage in non-vst applications, the VST plugins don't work in Adapt-x, because both adapters conflict with each other), as well as comfort/userfriendliness is concerned - there's much to do for the developers.

[gabest]

I'm almost ready with the rewriting of dshow's Intelligent Connect (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/directx9_c/directx/htm/intelligentconnect.asp) thingy. The built-in filters and renderers are loaded in one go without deleting and inserting them in a second pass. I'm waiting ideas how to redo the "filters" page. First I was thinking of making three lists: all, banned, forced filters, where the user could move from "all" to the other two boxes and order the "forced" list items to priorize one or other. But this interface might be missing a few other possibly useful settings.


WRFan: wmp9 uses special DMO filters which aren't enumerated for directshow and they will not work in mpc unless someone makes a wrapper filter for them.

Razor04: Fixing, fixing... :)

[chros]

Still the QT bug: When using the DirectX renderer, there's sound distorsion in Full Screen mode when the toolbar is visible (if the toolbar had fade away the problem is gone ...). And yes, with this renderer the playback is much faster ...

Question: what's the difference between the (other) renderers ??? (system default, Overlay mixer, VMR9 (renderless)) which should I use ?

[gabest]

Originally posted by chros
Still the QT bug: When using the DirectX renderer, there's sound distorsion in Full Screen mode when the toolbar is visible (if the toolbar had fade away the problem is gone ...). And yes, with this renderer the playback is much faster ...Really? Is the movie controller not running in overlay? (test with the printscreen button) No idea for the sound... how much is the cpu usage when the toolbar becomes active and when it hides?Question: what's the difference between the (other) renderers ??? (system default, Overlay mixer, VMR9 (renderless)) which should I use ? Those are dshow renderers, for real and quicktime they do nothing. With the vmr7/vmr9 (renderless) subtitling becomes available, overlay mixer always runs in overlay (good if you want tv-out mirrored from overlay but the sys.def. doesn't want to use overlay for some reason), system default uses the old gdi/ddraw renderer on non-xp and vmr7 (windowed mode, w/o subtitling) on xp, both can dynamically switch on/off overlay depending on the current resources.

[Razor04]

Gabest you just made my day :)

[Yusaku]

I'd personally vote for approach similar to Mail Messages rules dialogs - i.e. by default, do not make any modifications to automatic graph building and try to mimic Microsoft's graph builder (empty list of rules).

Then, you could add rules like "do not include this filter at all", "include this filter for media types this, this and that"; "include this filter everytime", just like i.e. in Outlook Express. If you code sufficient number of rules, you could do virtually anything with this approach. Plus, it is easily extendable (GUI-wise) by writing new rules.

[lump1]

I've searched through the thread and already found two requests for an "Enqueue in MPC" feature. Adding this would also make a huge usability difference for me. I know MPC already supports command line switches, but nothing like /ADD on Winamp. If MPC had that... WOW!

Just for fun I've been using MPC as a music player, and noticed a couple of bugs which are probably low-priority (especially compared to the "enqueue" feature). One of them is that it incorrectly estimates the playing time of VBR mp3's. When the file is almost done playing, the position indicator makes it look like it's only halfway through. Slightly more worrying is that some constant bitrate mp3's play "silently". I mean, the file is being read, and the progress indicator moves forward, but no sound is being sent out. Interestingly, seeking in the file turns the sound on.

BTW, thank you for making this awesome media player. It is so close to flawless that it freaks me out.

[gabest]

lump1:
- There is a /add command line switch already, just has to be added to the registry manually... ::rolleyes:
- It is not easy to position within a vbr mp3, the mpeg splitter of dshow is probably not good at this. Recently, I looked the source code of a little tool "mp3info" when I wanted to make a new source filter for mp3 and saw how bad the situation was :P I didn't give it up yet, but that will be a full day (or two) work.

Yusaku: Yea, rules would be cool, I don't really like long lists. Just have to define the templates first... My ideas:
rule1: <always load/disable> <filter> [for <majortype> [and <subtype>] ... <majortype> [and <subtype>]]
rule2: override merit for <filter> with <merit>

<filter> could also be loaded from an external file if the user knows the clsid.

And of course still waiting more suggestions :P

[Lobuz]

The solution for vbr mp3 or audio related stuff could be foobar project. It's not fully open but I thing that main developer could help with it.
Another idea I have is to control speed of cd-rom like or by cdbremse (to silence it while playing movie).
And something to play not fully downloaded movies with gaps without problems.

Regards
Lobuz

ps. small problem with sound in quicktime 6.1 with changing resolution the sound sometimes disappeare after one play (stop pause replay)

[Yusaku]

Lobuz: like or by cdbremse - if something, then BY cdbremse - it is not as easy a task as it seems (especially for older drives), so no need to code it again - IMO. On the other hand - when I had bad CD drive, I had it slowed down by CD-Bremse for 99% of the time (just turned it on for really, really big copying). I think you should send a suggestion for shortcut keys for CD-Bremse directly to it's author, it's really not too related to MPC

Gabest: maybe another rule could be "connect <filter> to <filter> [for majortype....]" - I think it'd be more user friendly than setting a merit. But probably it is an equivalent. But why not have [for majortype [and minortype]] part even in the "set merit"? Otherwhise one'd have to set multiple always/never load a filter rules to have the same effect.
I cannot think of anything more; from my (minor) understanding of DShow there's nothing you would not be able to do with these two rules, is there? :)

[gabest]

maybe another rule could be "connect <filter> to <filter> [for majortype....]" Noooo, it isn't the "graphedit" part yet ;) Maybe it would be better to find some real-life problems and construct a solution after them. The most common use I can think of would be to assign decoder or transform filters for the same type, this could be done by setting the "not load" or "always load" status (in the inside it would be just the matter of boosting or lowering the merit).

[Yusaku]

lol :)

Well, as I wrote if you could implement the two rules that you proposed, it'd be more than enough :)

And ad reallife situations: I think that it'd be best to include a set of "hidden" rules, that'd load files like ffdshow.ax, dvobsub.ax, OGM demultiplexer etc. from the directory that mpc is executed from (basics for playback of today's standard A/V formats). All that automatically without setting anything in registry or ini-files. This would make it a killer player for autoruns (although I don't use them, this'd be really neat).

The target for autoruns should be a CD with an autorun that'd just execute "mplayerc.exe ." and it'd play everything on the CD, without any decoder filters installed on the destination computer (taken from CD), just like that.

[ipnt]

Hi Gabest, I was silent 2 weeks, but thanks a lot for "Keep aspect ratio". Keep aspect ratio disabled + video frame - normal size + resolution setting to 720x576 is the best solution for TV out playback. Once again, thanks.

I noticed that MPC has problem with VMR9. First top line and first left column is not displayed and picture is blurring. There is not 1:1 output. Overlay and VMR7 is ok. I send a small clip for testing, please try it playback with your configuration.

PS: Has your TVset (sum horizontal pixels of picture tube)/(sum vertical pixels)=4/3 ? My has not :)
Somethig about square and non-sqaure pixels, resolutions etc
http://www.uwasa.fi/~f76998/video/conversion/