New release of Media Player 6.4

[gizmotech]

Good Day Gabest,

I mentioned this a while back, so I'll mention it again. (Posts like to get lost in the void :))

As you're aware, Toff recently submitted a patch to your mkv splitter which allows the players to pickup the "Track Names" out of the content for the audio/video/sub streams. I was wondering if you were planning on updating MPC to read these entries in the near future?

Thanks Kindly,

Gizmo.

[gabest]

gizmotech: Yes, it's on the todo list, though I don't like making exceptins and adding special code for one specific filter only. It would be better if this was integrated into dshow somehow and if there was a common way to handle these new splitter interfaces. The time to rewrite the filter graph manager is nearing :)

chros: Sorry, I still can't see how SendMessage could return anything else than a DWORD. But if that is enough for you I could implement that for numerical values (for time info basically).

And if we are already talking about things like this, I'd like to mention that now there a little web server in mpc. The biggest problem is that I have nothing to serve through it :) I was thinking of these things: remote controller, some level of playback information (state, playlist, filters, other filter graph details), and maybe downloading files from the playlist :). If anyone would volunteer to prepare nice template pages then I could fill them in.

[chros]

Originally posted by gabest
chros: Sorry, I still can't see how SendMessage could return anything else than a DWORD. But if that is enough for you I could implement that for numerical values (for time info basically).


Yes, it would be enough for me, if I can get the elapsed time in SECONDS(DWORD) and the total time of the file in SECONDS (DWORD).
I had get the Full-path of the file from the title bar already ...

Thanx and Happy weekend for everybody

[rakaz]

If anyone would volunteer to prepare nice template pages then I could fill them in.
No problem, PM me if you're interested.

[sillKotscha]

little Matroska problem...

if your internal matroska splitter is enabled, then mpc closes/ crashes (just after the first few seconds) if I try to play files created with latest mkvtoolnix. MPC v6.4.6.7 is in use - one thing is for sure... disabling your internal splitter plays those files smooth - no matter of the splitter version /e.g. Matroska Splitter 1.0.1.8 or even Matroska Splitter 1.0.1.7

cheers Sill

[toraneko]

is it normal that I can play a matroska clip which contain a MP4 audio/AAC sound stream (using CoreAAC) whereas I can't neither play an MP4 audio file nor a AAC file itself (either as a lone file, or as an alternative audio stream to a clip)?

it says to me that it can't "connect the pin" or something...

[gabest]

toraneko: Yes, it is.

sillKotscha: I haven't tested too many matroska files recently..., only one with vobsub inside during the weeking, but that seemed to work. Could it be that the crash is only happening with a specific encoding type or with a certain decoder?

[gizmotech]

Morning Gabest.

RE: MKV not working w/ built in splitter

It has to do with the new lacing code they put in mkvmerge with the 0.7.2+ versions. Currently any MKV created with mkvmerge after 0.7.2 will crach MPC unless the built in splitter is disabled.

Toff updated the mkv splitter to read this content back correctly when he added the ITrackName interface back in october.

Gizmo.

[toraneko]

@Gabest

ok. thanks answering.

[sillKotscha]

Originally posted by gabest
I haven't tested too many matroska files recently...

me too ;)

Could it be that the crash is only happening with a specific encoding type or with a certain decoder?


maybe... my testclip:

- captured clip -> xvid with generic common settings
- Audio: He-AAC file ~64kb encoded with Nero

muxed as I said with mkvtoolnix latest_bin

... this mkv file 'seems' to be ok, as every other player plays this clip, only MPC fails if internal Splitter is enabled ;(

cheers Sill

[gabest]

Originally posted by gizmotech
Morning Gabest.

RE: MKV not working w/ built in splitter

It has to do with the new lacing code they put in mkvmerge with the 0.7.2+ versions. Currently any MKV created with mkvmerge after 0.7.2 will crach MPC unless the built in splitter is disabled.

Toff updated the mkv splitter to read this content back correctly when he added the ITrackName interface back in october.

Gizmo. Hehe, I forgot about that splitter release with the new lacing styles. That can be the reason surely.

[sillKotscha]

thanks for the Info...

and btw... would it be possible to have a "hoover effect" concerning the build in filters - I mean if you hoover (right word??) your mouse over a build in filter you can see which version is used by MPC - that would be nice ;)

cheers Sill

[gabest]

"Tooltip" is the right word :) But I could only display between which standalone versions are they. Like "Matroska Splitter 1.0.1.8 ~ 1.0.1.9"

[sillKotscha]

ah, ok Tooltip ;)

...yeah, for example - as I said, that would be nice ;)

but aren't your build_in filters the latest standalone versions downloadable from sf??

of course, only as long as you haven't released a new one and didn't upgrade MPC accordingly :D

thanks Sill

[gabest]

I can't update mpc for every filter, that would be too much.

[dimzon]

Any plan's about internal audio/video decoders?

[sillKotscha]

MPC isn't a CodecPack... :D it would blow it's size!

and btw... what about build in mpeg_audio decoder for example?!!! - didn't you realised it :rolleyes:

@gabest

no I didn't mean, that you should update mpc everytime you release a new filter_version... it's just the fact, that every latest release of MPC contains all the latest filter, isn't it?! That's why I said...

for example:

hoover your mouse over a build in filter and a tooltip appears with the (current)version of the filter of the current used MPC... that would suffice - nothing more :D

thanks Sill

[gabest]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
no I didn't mean, that you should update mpc everytime you release a new filter_version... it's just the fact, that every latest release of MPC contains all the latest filter, isn't it?!The latest + the updates. Likewise, the standalone filter release after the latest mpc release contains additional fixes too! If I wanted to be correct, I should increase the version number of the filters for both releases, but that would just confuse everyone and I would get emails asking where did version x of y filter disappear.

[dimzon]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
MPC isn't a CodecPack... :D it would blow it's size!

Just BASIC decoders (DivX/XviD(and other MPEG4 compilant) + MP3/AC3/Vorbis)

[JimiK]

If you want built in decoders for every format you should try mplayer. I think it's great that MPC decodes Mpeg2, because the other filters doing this are commercial (PowerDVD, WinDVD...). There is no need for Mpeg4 Filters, because ffdshow is also a very small package that can decode many kinds of video formats. So IMHO the internal decoding features are just perfect the way they are.
Best regards,
JimiK

[dimzon]

I thing it's good to put some player with build-in decoder on each DivX CD - no installation nedded, all in one :)

[Lobuz]

Avi file with audio delay corrected plays incorrectly with buildin AVISplitter. I don't know what was the muxer, but audio is VBR mp3 and video is xvid. With default AVISplitter it plays fine, with sync.

Regards
Lobuz

[toraneko]

why an MKV file is played (almost) instantly whereas an MKA file (containing the AAC audio file from the previous MKV file) needs to be buffered beforehands ?

[gabest]

Lobuz: How was it corrected?

toraneko: Did you put cue points into the mka? If not, the splitter will scan it and rebuild the index first.

[arman68]

A couple of problems:

1. Using the latest version of MPC. Movie with 3 AC3 audio tracks. Built in audio switcher. With Intervideo latest audio codec by itself (ie: iviaudio.ax and WinDVD not installed), it works but there is some crackling from time to time. With Cyberlink latest audio filters MPC crashes and just hangs there not doing anything.

2. Same movie as above but using mmswitch.ax 0.97: MPC crashes and closes almost straightaway.

[calinb]

Originally posted by JimiK
....ffdshow is also a very small package that can decode many kinds of video formats. So IMHO the internal decoding features are just perfect the way they are.
Agreement here!
and
Originally posted by dimzon
I thing it's good to put some player with build-in decoder on each DivX CD - no installation nedded, all in one :)
That's what the MPC /filter "filtername" option is for:)

I very much admire Gabest's concerns about "bloat."

[Lobuz]

Lobuz: How was it corrected?

I didn't do it.
In AVIInfo it shows some delay, so I conclude that it's just corrected in a header. When I remuxed it in vdubmod with some delay it's not correct in full lenght of movie. Framerate of audio is corrected too in aviinfo but in vdub it shows normally.

Regards
Lobuz

[gabest]

Lobuz: That's strange, avi headers should have any audio offset correction stored them in. None I know of. And since avi is an interleaved format without timestamps for each frame, the only way the delay one track is to drop/add a few samples while remultiplexing it.

arman68: Is it playing fine in graphedit with and without morgan? Have you tested ac3filter too? (may not the best if you have 3 tracks, but ac3filter is like that, it can't be silenced for inactive streams by an error return code like most decoders can be)

[Lobuz]

You can try and make some modified avi file with AVI Info (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/terabits_avi_info.html). It changes delay, speed without remuxing.

Regards
Lobuz

[toraneko]

@Gabest

you were absolutely right. that was the cause of my problem. thank you very much.

in mkvmerge 0.7.2, I've always let the "cue" to "default".
but after having read the doc of mkvmerge 0.7.2 once again, I've noticed that "default" meant "I frame only" for video file, but "none" for audio file.
I set "I frame only" to my audio file, and everything went well afterwards when I played the file.

@all

anyone knows if chapters can work for split files out of the first one ?

[Coroner]

@Gabtest

Hello.
I am having a bit of trouble with the latest sonic dvd video filter (2.5.03.08.06). In MPC when I try to open a DVD using this filter I get a black screen but I can hear the audio. Very rarely a few frames of image might appear then they freeze as if the player was paused. When opening a vob directly off the hard drive the image and sound work, but every 5 - 10 seconds or so the image flickers black for a frame and then back to the image. This also happens in DVDsubber (any chance of DVDsubber like functionality? :) ). So, I downloaded Zoom Player Pro trial and found that it worked with the sonic filter fine. Both accessing video off of a DVD and from a vob off HDD. I've reinstalled the sonic filters and reinstalled windows to no effect.

Any ideas?

Thanks

[gabest]

Are the used filters the same in mpc and zoom?

[Coroner]

Hello

Yes, the same filters. In Zoom I have sonic video selected and in MPC a right click shows the sonic filter being used. The built in mpeg2 decoder in MPC is off. No other mpeg2 filters are installed just the sonic one. No additional filters are being applied to the video in either Zoom or MPC.

Cheers

[gabest]

And the video renderers? Same too?

[Coroner]

MPC - VMR9 Renderless
Zoom - VMR9 Windowless

Couldn't find Renderless in Zoom or Windowless in MPC so I figure they are the same thing, just different names?

[gabest]

they are a bit different, but I'm going to test this decoder in mpc friday evening.

[Coroner]

Thanks for helping me out. It's very weird problem, well it seems strange to me.

Hopefully it's something simple.

Thanks

[arman68]

Originally posted by gabest
arman68: Is it playing fine in graphedit with and without morgan? Have you tested ac3filter too? (may not the best if you have 3 tracks, but ac3filter is like that, it can't be silenced for inactive streams by an error return code like most decoders can be) [/B]

It plays fine in mplayer2, wmplayer and crystalplayer (with its own avi splitter). Both with/without morgan (although in some cases all the tracks are played at once when morgan is not installed).

No problem in MPC when using AC3Filter.

[gabest]

Coroner: I have downloaded the trial version of sonic cineplayer and it includes the same version of this decoder as yours, but somehow I'm just unable to add it to the graph, the error code is 0x8004027d ("Copy protection cannot be enabled. Please make sure any other copy protected content is not being shown now"). The same thing happens with the audio decoder (0x80004005) but the other two looks ok (except the vcd filter crashes when closing the app :P).

arman68: see how much trouble can there be when not using free decoders :)

[Lobuz]

@gabest

Did You checked it?

Originally posted by Lobuz
You can try and make some modified avi file with AVI Info (http://www.divx-digest.com/software/terabits_avi_info.html). It changes delay, speed without remuxing.

Regards
Lobuz

[gabest]

Yes, I did. It writes some value into AVISTREAMHEADER::dwStart, but don't know what it really means. The smallest delay I could choose was 47.x seconds (!?) and the largest some incredibly large value. For that smallest it put 4 into dwStart, and for the largest (can't remember how many it was) 128000. But even that 47 sec could make it unplayable without reinterleaving, it is not recommended to override the start just like that...

[Coroner]

Gabest: Unfortunately you can't use the trial one. It doesn't work outside of the player.

Check your pm.

[Lobuz]

@gabest
Delaying function doesn't work well it shows for example 23,..sec but after apply it's 0,18s (in info window) and with different avi's works differently. In user guide on DivxDigest author didn't recommend it.
But streatching works really good. So maybe that tool isn't perfect.

That doesn't change the fact that there are avi files with stretched audio and | or delay which plays perfectly with default avisplitter but not with that from MPC.

Regards
Lobuz

[alx]

Mmmmmmmmmm Gabest, I still have the problem when I put an .avi or a .mkv file with a .srt in a CD. When i tried to watch the movie from it, an "ABNORMAL PROGRAM TERMINATION" message appears. Its related with subtitles, because, if I go to the "PLAYBACK" menu, and disable "AUTOLOAD SUBTITLES", the video appears ok.
Any ideas???
Alx

[gizmotech]

@Gabest.

Many thanks for the new update of MPC. Greatly appreciated, and with the updated splitter I should have FAR less headaches :)

Gizmo.

PS:
Is there any possiblity now to enable 2 subtitle streams at once in VSFilter now that you have vobsub subs in it? This would be very nice :)

[arman68]

gabest, something for you to consider: I have quite a few video clips - xvide, div3, div5 - which have frozen frames. The only player I found that can play them without problem is CrystalPlayer; you might want to have a look at how they do it.

Originally posted by gabest
arman68: see how much trouble can there be when not using free decoders :)

I totally agree. Plus I have found that AC3Filter does not have the problem of losing the audio when seeking - unlike cyberlink and intervideo filters. I have now switched over to AC3Filter.

[m99]

I'm new to MPC. Can MPC play realaudio-files without Realaudio installed?

[AgeOfPanic]

I don't know if this is a bug or maybe it is intented that way, but when you have the playlist opened, while playing a file and you press the spacebar, it doesn't pause the file, but just reopens it.

[chros]

@gabest: Is there the feature that we have been talking about in this new version ? If there is which application commands should I use ?

Or it will be in the webserver ?

Thanx

[iwod]

Originally posted by m99
I'm new to MPC. Can MPC play realaudio-files without Realaudio installed?

You could get the codec install.. ( which is illegal i think )

Otherwise you could install Realplayer and delete all the files you don't want and leave it to MPC to do the playback.