New release of Media Player 6.4

[nicco]

Here some news about .divx format compatibility:
http://labs.divx.com/archives/000053.html

Can someone implement this function in MPC?

[esby]

Is there a way to avoid MPC disabling full screen when it loses the focus ?

I am asking, because on dual screen, mpc disables full screen if I click on the other screen... which is kinda not what I want.

esby

[Yusaku]

I think it still works the same way since I asked Gabest about exactly the same - it will not disable fullscreen when maximized on secondary display, but will do so on primary

[guada 2]

Hello everyone,

MPC comes back with a new version: MPC 6.4.8.3
Very interesting

The done changes are to this address:http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/

[fewtch]

"Recent builds are apparently buggy. According to your OS version, the filter settings may or may not be saved. Those builds are marked as buggy. AFIAK, they have problems on Windows 2000 while they work fine on Windows XP."
This is very bad news, and an increasing trend... seems like more people writing specifically for WinXP these days and testing less & less on other OS's (even Win2k). This general trend pisses me off no end :mad:.

If it works on WinXP, it should work on Win2K... period. If it doesn't then it's the fault of two: The programmer of the app in question, and Microsoft (who seems to be purposely making XP incompatible with Win2k as fast as they can).

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... :angry: When I think about this trend, my head spins backward and I start vomiting green soup. :angry:

[guada 2]

Hello Fewtch,

It always very difficult to conceive some truths.
But why so much pain, the survival it is not preferable to all thing.

It is going to be necessary that you analyze the situation, and especially to avoid to make stand you.
All is not temporary, but your terrestrial journey stays.
Think a little about it.

[esby]

@fewtch:

The warning is only here to warn people what kind of bug they can found in the cvs build.
Not to say that the software was made to be specifically incompatible with an os version.
As it is said, it is a bug... and will probably be corrected in time.

esby

[Liisachan]

Just in case someone is confused:

6.4.8.3 is _not_ officially released as of now.

That page is unofficial and I am the one who wrote that note. I may be wrong. Plus, it's not like Gabest, the author, is saying irresponsible things like "Yeah, maybe they don't work on Win2k nicely, but I don't mind it too much. Just upgrade your OS to WinXP..." Celtic_druid is not responsible either.

They are experimental cvs versions after all, and it's normal for them to be more or less unstable/buggy. They are meant for advanced users who want to try them out anyway. If you prefer a stable version for practical purposes, you can just use 6.4.8.2.
I don't think (altho not sure) that this problem is complicated, and I assume it will be fixed sooner or later, before the official 6.4.8.3 is out.

[fewtch]

Originally posted by esby
@fewtch:

The warning is only here to warn people what kind of bug they can found in the cvs build.
Not to say that the software was made to be specifically incompatible with an os version.
As it is said, it is a bug... and will probably be corrected in time.

esby
Yeah I know... it just reminded me of other things, like Adobe's recent trend with their products and some other stuff I see happening.

There's really no reason at all why anything should be "XP only," yet Microsoft seems to be arbitrarily making XP more and more proprietary and incompatible with 2K. I see no other reason than to force people to buy an OS that really does nothing W2K can't already do.

Grrrrrrrrrrr... :angry:

P.S. I live 10 or 15 miles from the Microsoft campus in Redmond, maybe I'll go there and rant/rave for awhile (til they arrest me? :p).

[guada 2]

A good dialogue and a good dose of clarification can only arrange the things.
I am happy to know that you can finally smile Fewtch. ;)

Thank you for your Lasachan precisions, as well as Esby. :)


Sorry for my translation.
To soon

[Liisachan]

@fewtch
Not only that...but read more (http://www.aunty-spam.com/resistance-is-futile-microsoft-forces-sp2-update-on-all-xp-and-xp-sp1-machines/) :scared:

[Leak]

Originally posted by fewtch
<saved internal filter settings ignored on W2K>

This is very bad news, and an increasing trend... seems like more people writing specifically for WinXP these days and testing less & less on other OS's (even Win2k). This general trend pisses me off no end :mad:.

Funny enough, it saves the filter settings to the registry but fails to correctly read them on the next start.

Then again, can you really blame gabest of not being aware of this if there's no bug filed for it at SourceForge? That's exactly what I did a few minutes ago... :D

np: System - Hu Ra !! (But Then Again)

[niamh]

There's really no reason at all why anything should be "XP only," yet Microsoft seems to be arbitrarily making XP more and more proprietary and incompatible with 2K. I see no other reason than to force people to buy an OS that really does nothing W2K can't already do.

I apologize for carrying on the OT... but I agree 110% with that statement. M$ is planning to dump 2k support, aren't they? Their very best OS, and nothing we can do :( (I gave in and got XP recently, and I still feel bad about it, even though I tweaked and removed all the Disneyland BS in it)

But all the same, you can't blame the devs for that, really :)

Back to topic: I can't select MPC in the "open with" dialog of M$..I browse to it, select it, and nothing happens. It used to work, though I can't recall the last version that did :(. I'm using 2/2/2005. And no, I don't want MPC to be my default player, but I want it in the context menu for every time that TCMP craps out (often ;) ), and to preview my avs with.

[esby]

@niamh:
there is a work around, you can use the 'sendto' feature.
Create a shortcut to MPC in your sendto folder;
and then 'send to' MPC a video each time you need to have it opened by MPC...

esby

[Leak]

Originally posted by Liisachan
Plus, it's not like Gabest, the author, is saying irresponsible things like "Yeah, maybe they don't work on Win2k nicely, but I don't mind it too much. Just upgrade your OS to WinXP..." Celtic_druid is not responsible either.

Nah, he's really not saying that - more like "I found the problem, one of the registry functions behaves differently on 2k and xp :D" (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1152849&group_id=82303&atid=565649)...

:)

np: Pole - Klettern (3)

[celtic_druid]

Seems to work ok now.
Should point out that I updated faad and dirac so it isn't strickly speaking a cvs build.

[Liisachan]

Thanks so much, Leak. I guess everyone was thinking someone else should've already reported it to Gabest because this bug was too obvious. We were the ones who were most irresponsible... lol

Thanks as always, celtic_druid! 2005-03-01 is working nicely, as Gabest said :)

So, the word 'compatibility' is not in MS's dictionary. I know they'd say this is by design.

EDIT:
In other words, Gabest is not checking this thread anymore...I feel slightly sad...

[Episode]

MPC 6.4.8.3 is now officially released! You can get it from here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/guliverkli/mpc2kxp6483.zip?download
Gabest also made some release notes: https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=308872

Thanks a lot Gabest and keep up the good work!

[suspiciousBob]

any particular reason for the jump in filesize, even after UPX'ng the .exe?

[celtic_druid]

dx shader, dsm muxer, plus muxing util, etc.
In other words it is bigger because it has more features.

[Zarxrax]

I dunno if Gabest will ever read this, or if anyone else would ever implement it, but I have a feature request regardless.

It would be great if there were a place where you could set the size of a playback buffer. MPC would render frames into this buffer as fast as it possibly can, trying to keep the buffer full at all times, then they would simply be pulled from the buffer and displayed as necessary. Also it would fill the buffer immediately upon loading or seeking in a file, and begin playing once the buffer is filled.

Theoretically, this would greatly improve performance for videos that cant normally be played back without dropping frames. In practice, I dont know if this would really work, as im not a programmer. Seems like it would though. It really sucks when you cant watch a video without reencoding it because your processor isnt fast enough :(

[spectra]

Originally posted by celtic_druid
dx shader, dsm muxer, plus muxing util, etc.
In other words it is bigger because it has more features.

sadly still no fixed localfile .asx support

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=931322&group_id=82303&atid=565649

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by Zarxrax It really sucks when you cant watch a video without reencoding it because your processor isnt fast enough :(
You're close enough I could almost walk up to you and say, "buy a new CPU!!" :P

Seriously, the time to write and debug such an optimization, which is easier said than done, far exceeds the cost of a new mobo and CPU.

[fewtch]

Originally posted by Zarxrax
Theoretically, this would greatly improve performance for videos that cant normally be played back without dropping frames. In practice, I dont know if this would really work, as im not a programmer. Seems like it would though. It really sucks when you cant watch a video without reencoding it because your processor isnt fast enough :(
What's your processor speed? I'm running an Athlon Thunderbird 1.2GHz and really haven't found anything it's too slow to play (I'm still thinking about upgrading later this summer or next fall :)). IMO, 1GHz should really be considered a minimum these days...

Video card could have something to do with this as well.

[Zarxrax]

I have a P4 2.26Ghz. DVD-rips arent the only kind of video files out there ;p

A 60fps 640x480 video that I have created drops pretty much most of the frames. I shudder to even think how HD video would perform.

[fewtch]

Originally posted by Zarxrax
I have a P4 2.26Ghz. DVD-rips arent the only kind of video files out there ;p
I know, but still haven't found anything that massively drops frames on my PC. At worst, a few things may be a little jerky from time to time (but it isn't common).

A 60fps 640x480 video that I have created drops pretty much most of the frames. I shudder to even think how HD video would perform.
Well, I assume you have a fast video card & know what you're talking about. As far as HD video, not sure anyone will be playing it on their PC's in the near future (?).

[teplun]

I installed the new MPC 6.4.8.3 and now the I can't have it full screen. All previous versions worked fine so what's wrong with this one?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by teplun
I installed the new MPC 6.4.8.3 and now the I can't have it full screen. All previous versions worked fine so what's wrong with this one? Seems to work fine here!

Shame there's no support for reading Nero's subtitles in .MP4... Maybe next time!


Cheers

[Zarxrax]

Originally posted by fewtch
As far as HD video, not sure anyone will be playing it on their PC's in the near future (?). [/B]

Not so, HD is becoming more and more commonplace. I've seen a large number of HD tv captures circulating the internet. Not to say that I support such practices, but it goes to show that HD is certainly an issue these days.

My pc doesnt have much trouble playing most normal HD resolution content encoded with standard xvid settings. However, if there is particularly high motion, there would be some definate jerkiness, or especially if I decided to encode with CPU guzzling features like Qpel. I haven't messed around with H.264, but I would assume that it requires more horsepower than xvid to play back. With todays cpus hitting a barrier in clock speed, all of this factors into a need for more efficient playback.

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by suspiciousBob
any particular reason for the jump in filesize, even after UPX'ng the .exe? 2005.03.03 build (2kxp) is significantly smaller than the official 6.4.8.3, I don't know the reason. After UPXing -9 using UPX 1.93 beta, the filesize is 1541KB.

[celtic_druid]

Well if you recall a few pages back I updated the DX SDK used and the filesize dropped. Guess that could be it?

My 03.03 build as far as I can tell is basically the same as the offical 6.8.4.3. The changes to the cvs were made after, but they seem to be included in the sf build. Oh yeah, libfaad2 and libdirac are still newer in mine.

Oh yeah, there were also some linkage settings that weren't enabled by default that I enabled which result in a slightly smaller filesize. Something about discarding refs.... not at home right now so I can't check.

[yaz]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
... Shame there's no support for reading Nero's subtitles in .MP4... Maybe next time! u're just kidding, aren't u ? ;)
imho, mpc's still the best
y

[djpowder]

Anyone know if the normalize bug has been fixed? The audio would be normalized for a certain amount of time but would eventually stop until you seek once, then normalize would kick in again.

[stephanV]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Seems to work fine here!

Shame there's no support for reading Nero's subtitles in .MP4... Maybe next time!


Cheers

This is Nero's problem (or restriction might be a better word for it), not MPC's IIRC. Complain to them. MPC works fine.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by stephanV
This is Nero's problem (or restriction might be a better word for it), not MPC's IIRC. Complain to them. MPC works fine. I never said MPC did not work fine!

Sufficed to say, MPC is not the "lite" little media player it once was... maybe it's time it had it's own set of of optional Mpeg4 and .MP4 filters!


Cheers

[kallekill]

I installed the latest version of MPC and the lock back buffer option seems to have solved the tearing problem in VMR9 renderless mode. It doesn't work very well with the interlaced clips I have tested though. I tried a 1920*1080i mpeg2 clip with three diffenrent mpeg2 decoders and the deinterlacing didn't work with any of them. This is in VMR9 renderless mode. I also get a thick white line at the bottom of the picture.

[filewalker]

Originally posted by Zarxrax
It would be great if there were a place where you could set the size of a playback buffer. MPC would render frames into this buffer as fast as it possibly can, trying to keep the buffer full at all times, then they would simply be pulled from the buffer and displayed as necessary. Also it would fill the buffer immediately upon loading or seeking in a file, and begin playing once the buffer is filled.

Theoretically, this would greatly improve performance for videos that cant normally be played back without dropping frames. In practice, I dont know if this would really work, as im not a programmer. Seems like it would though. It really sucks when you cant watch a video without reencoding it because your processor isnt fast enough :(

AFAIK this must be done inside the filters...not from the player's side.
e.g. in Haali's Matroska parser you can manually define the Input buffer size.

Cu

[iago]

Originally posted by djpowder
Anyone know if the normalize bug has been fixed? The audio would be normalized for a certain amount of time but would eventually stop until you seek once, then normalize would kick in again.
Unfortunately no, it's not been fixed. (6.4.8.3 official)

[Yusaku]

this can be done on the connection between renderer and output of decoder. I think Crystal Player (forgot name) does it; and it works well for cutting down player CPU requirements by about 30%. Fortunately most recent CPUs are nowadays quite fast - and if you need speed over anything, try vlc or mplayer - they both have MUCH lower CPU requirements and are quite usable. Unfortunately for me, no SSA/ASS support...

[Zarxrax]

Thanks Yusaku, Crystal Player works wonders for playback! I hate the interface, but it will get the job done for at least allowing me to view some of my files.

[kallekill]

I did some testing of different rendering modes with the THX tests on the new star wars DVD’s. If I use the vmr9 renderless mode I get a less sharp picture that is visible even if you are not looking at test patterns. Seems this problem exist in other players as well. There is a thread at AVS forums that discuss the same thing.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5277498

[chros]

Originally posted by Yusaku
this can be done on the connection between renderer and output of decoder. I think Crystal Player (forgot name) does it; and it works well for cutting down player CPU requirements by about 30%. Fortunately most recent CPUs are nowadays quite fast - and if you need speed over anything, try vlc or mplayer - they both have MUCH lower CPU requirements and are quite usable. Unfortunately for me, no SSA/ASS support...

Strange: in the release notes on http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=308872

"- Internal source filters can reopen files seemlesly when their file handle becomes invalid (wifi...). This has annoyed me for a long time, you'll be pleased if you experience similar problems :) The read-ahead buffer was also increased from 1 to 5 megabytes.
"

So all we want to get an option in the menu for it ... :)

@Gabest: have you read this thread nowdays ?
Thanx to your hard work !

[Esc]

Possible bug found.
When I tried to make a screenshot while playing my DVD, it said "GetCurrentImage failed, hr = 8000ffff". Tried it while actually playing and on pause with same results. Futurama Vol.1 Disc 1.

UPD: Futurama is protected. But I tried another disc, not protected, with same results.

[Yusaku]

Originally posted by chros
"- Internal source filters can reopen files seemlesly when their file handle becomes invalid (wifi...). This has annoyed me for a long time, you'll be pleased if you experience similar problems :) The read-ahead buffer was also increased from 1 to 5 megabytes.
"

So all we want to get an option in the menu for it ... :)

that is on the source - i.e. equivalent of disk cache (just in player, thus allowing it to cope with invalid handles - windows will flush system cache in case of invalid handle). Given current memory requirements, there's no need for it to be in menu. If you want CP's style output cache, you need tens of megabytes of memory - and currently I really think vlc will work about as well for CPU-bound problems

[Zarxrax]

Strangely enough, I just tried both VLC and mplayer on the video im having troubles with. I'm not sure why, but VLC looked the worst of any player I've tried. It hardly displayed any frames at all. It sort of just kept freezing.
Mplayer did a little better, it was skipping frames all over the place, still really sucked.
Media Player Classic on the other hand, its about equivalent to mplayer's performance if I set it to VMR9 Renderless. If I set it to VMR7 Windowed though, I get really good performance... the statistics claim no dropped frames, but it will consistently freeze up at a few particularly high motion spots. Its really the best performing player of them all though. Pretty impressive, I think.
Crystal of course plays with absolutely no problems after I configure it right.

[Esc]

MPC 6.4.8.3 build from 03/01/05 cannot play AVIs with mono mp3 sound. Produces some white noise instead. After I have turned Options -> Filters -> Transform Filters -> MPEG Audio off everything is ok.

[chros]

Bug in standalone VSFilter v2.35 (February 28,2005) and MPC back to 6.4.6.0 (which is good) in Overlay Mode:

There are external subtitles, on which the newest vsfilter doesn't connect ... MPC is freazing ...
Strange that if I unregister the standalone VSFilter and I'm using the internal in VMR7 (renderless) everything is OK. Isn't the same these 2 filters ???

I have tried the version back to 6.4.7.3: effect is the same.

In 6.4.6.0: there isn't such a switch like 'Overlay Mixer', and the player works fine... I don't know which Directshow mode is using by this player ...

Finally: I have tried VSFilter v2.33, and it works fine with the latest players and those subtitles ...

Last, perhaps the same bug was reported on sf.net:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1155144&group_id=82303&atid=565649

(PS: sorry for my english)

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've started receiving the following notice whenever I attempt a capture: -

http://img88.exs.cx/img88/8308/mpc6483warning0il.gif

Any ideas?


Cheers

[wata]

the lastest mpc seem to have this bug

when going from fullscreen back to window, all other programs that has always on top turn on (like dc meter etc) will not be on top anymore it hide behind the next application you click

going back to previous don't have this problem.

[HarryM]

I'm localize this problem still. External textual subtitles (like ssa, srt, sub, etc) are not corectly synchronized with MKV or OGM files! Older version 6.4.8.2 works corectly, but new version 6.4.8.3 not.

AVI files not affected. This problem is only with MKV or OGM.