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SamuriHL
22nd May 2021, 23:11
No thanks. I'll continue waiting. :D
Asmodian
22nd May 2021, 23:43
Yeah, waiting still seems wise unless you go for a G1. It would be sad to get a non-evo panel today. I want my deuterated materials, please. :)
Just that I prefer LG moving all manufacturing to the EVO line as fast as possible, to the point that I am even willing to forgive them putting two different panels in the C1. I am not ready to replace my CX anyway, so maybe it is too easy to not care since I wasn't in the market anyway. :p
SamuriHL
23rd May 2021, 00:27
Exactly. I'm looking at some day moving up to a bigger panel for the living room, but until LG gets their collective s*** together, I'll live with my C8.
Yes, I get that we all want them to move to EVO but this move is confusing as hell and not doing them any favors. They should have just moved everything to EVO from day 1.
Asmodian
23rd May 2021, 00:56
Well, yes, if reality would have allowed it for at anything like a reasonable price and/or in a reasonable timeframe... but that was never an option.
LG sells a lot of panels, these panel manufacturing plants are not small operations. It takes significant time and money to covert them to produce EVO panels, even as small as that change is. Maybe I have been working in a manufacturing related industry too long. :p
Intel should have released 10nm a long time ago too. :devil:
Is it really confusing? Some C1s come with the new panel and some do not. Is it more complicated than that?
SamuriHL
23rd May 2021, 01:15
Here's the thing about that theory.....LG makes ALL the OLED panels sold (at least for now...that's changing soon). Meaning panels for Sony, Panasonic, etc. Give them the old crap! And save the EVO panels for the LG lineup. Gives them a leg up, burns old inventory, and everyone (except their competitors) wins. :)
nevcairiel
23rd May 2021, 07:39
Contracts mean that their direct customers get exactly what they asked for. :p
Besides, you really can't complain for getting a TV in the specification it was meant to be in. If you want a guaranteed better one, need to wait for the next gen. Never know how long one was sitting in some vendors warehouse, independent of what LG does or doesn't do.
SamuriHL
23rd May 2021, 13:51
Which is why I'm waiting yes. [emoji16]
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ashlar42
28th May 2021, 21:53
LG choices this year are making me look the Sony A80J with real interest.
Asmodian
28th May 2021, 22:05
The A80J does look like a very nice display. If Sony releases a 48" I think I would buy it.
chros
29th May 2021, 08:13
LG choices this year are making me look the Sony A80J with real interest.
There are reports on Avsforum that the A80J also has mixed panels. (by measuring SPD)
Magik Mark
31st May 2021, 01:50
Hi chros!
Just curious. Why is it that your madvr setting hasn't been updated?
chros
31st May 2021, 07:19
Because I use b113 and I even disabled DTN :)
Magik Mark
31st May 2021, 07:59
Oh I see. Do you have anything against on later versions?
Magik Mark
1st June 2021, 11:26
chros,
I'm wondering if you have started playing around with CRU? I think the last setting doesn't apply anymore as nvidia change the timing for 23.976hz
chros
5th June 2021, 10:52
I created a new 1dlut for DoVi Cinema preset (https://hub.displaycal.net/forums/reply/30492/), the result is better than factory (although not prefect, yet?).
As a result, I started to watch 1080p SDR content with Oppo + DoVi again ... :)
@Magik Mark: I use those old values I posted back then, I don't upgrade anything until it's absolutely necessary :) (see my signature for details)
chros
5th June 2021, 12:27
Oh, and as it turned out, the new Sony oleds also suffer from elevated blacks and the same near black glowing in DoVi! :) Ridiculous... Calibrators advise is: reduce brightness or contrast... :D
heartog
8th June 2021, 09:40
Just got the G1 few days ago and noticed that marVR would switch my TV picture and sound modes when going into fullscreen windowed, does not happen with my old samsung NU8000 or when i use EVRCP. Using Potplayer
disable HDMI content type in nvidia control panel.
if you like you could play around with it to show how it changes the picture mode to like movie if selected.
con remember any other user than me with a Panasonic reporting picture mode changes.
sound modes is new to me.
chros
8th June 2021, 17:14
Yes, it doesn't do anything with 2018 LG models.
It didn't do anything before this year's LG series, but now it changes to Game Mode on the TV if the Nvidia control panel is set to AUTO or Desktop Programs. You'll have to switch it to Full-screen Videos to make it stick.
chros
9th June 2021, 15:32
Did you get a C1? :)
Interesting feature, not sure how useful it is: does Game mode in normal mode (non-PC) support chroma 4:4:4?
Vincent mentioned that it has banding in non-PC Game mode but it's fine in PC mode :D
I wonder whether they still have the cyan and near black posterization issues.
Nah, I'm still rocking my ancient C7, but I did help ttnuagmada (the guy who first tried the C1-to-G1 switch in the service menu) a while ago with this very issue.
chros
10th June 2021, 07:36
Nice! :)
Tronic
16th June 2021, 19:51
[LG C9] After upgrading to RTX 3090 I can no longer adjust smooth gradation (greyed out) or TruMotion (Vivid and Smooth modes are missing, and the User mode doesn't provide any smoothing, only OLED Motion). These settings are not available in any picture mode and many others are also greyed out. Any idea why this would be? I already tried disabling G-Sync (Nvidia drivers) and Instant Game Response (LG) but that makes no difference. Running the video player in 2160p23 HDR just as I did with the old GTX Titan GPU, but connected to HDMI1 with eARC, where the old setup ran through amplifier on HDMI2 (because eARC didn't work with the old GPU).
The missing settings are available on HDMI2 and Live TV.
Tronic
16th June 2021, 21:57
Had to rename the HDMI 1 input to something other than PC. Using the PC mode disables most settings that may still be useful for movies. Now with ALLM (Instant Game Response) enabled MadVR switches profiles so that desktop and games are in Game mode without filtering and movies get their smoothing.
Asmodian
16th June 2021, 22:03
PC mode is 444 chroma, but disables all the processing that is done in 422 chroma. I hate chroma subsampling but it is one or the other on these LG TVs. :(
ashlar42
18th June 2021, 13:45
Ended up getting a 77C1 (and a RTX 3070). It will be with me in a week or so. Prepare to be pestered with questions. :-)
Jokes aside, if there's any reading to be done, please point it out to me. I will try to read everything I find, but information is scattered all around the web...
chros
18th June 2021, 15:44
Follow tge links in my signature :)
Btw you can make a G1 out of your C1 if it has the new Evo panel :) (search on youtube how)
With the latest firmware, there is no difference any longer between the C and the G setting. LG caught on ;)
ashlar42
18th June 2021, 23:15
With the latest firmware, there is no difference any longer between the C and the G setting. LG caught on ;)
I bought C1 fully intending NOT to put it in G mode, firmware updates notwithstanding. I have read about the differences, coming from plasma I read about blinding brightness and I'm pretty sure that, when watching at night (as I usually do), I will need to lower OLED light setting.
Yeah, I would have done the same. I'm sure it'll be plenty bright for you. Enjoy your new toy!
SamuriHL
19th June 2021, 03:12
That's a nice rig. I'd like to move up to 77 with my next TV. I'm holding off a bit more probably next year or the year after. I did pre-order a vrroom just to be ready though.
ashlar42
22nd June 2021, 18:53
TV is fantastic. WOW!
Now on to problems, I hope you'll all be patient with me. I thank each and everyone of you in advance.
Sooo.. this might be a Kodi issue, a madVR issue, a Windows issue, I don't know.
If I start HDR content, the TV (an LG OLED C1) switched to HDR, playback is fine, all good. Problem is that when I stop the video, colors are all wrong in the interface (like oversaturated). If I close Kodi and restart, they go back being ok.
If I activate HDR in Windows 10, this doesn't happen, but everything is played back in a way that keeps the TV in HDR mode (even when in Kodi interface).
Edit: the other problem I have is I don't know where to find the "HDMI Input" type thing. I see people often talking about "renaming it to PC" and stuff like that but I can't find it in settings and I honestly don't grasp the implications.
chros
22nd June 2021, 20:34
No worries, just shoot the questions. If you will put around 100 hours into it, i'd like you to do some small tests for us, hope that's ok.
HDR issue is probably caused by "driver". Personally I can't help you with that since I use an old driver.
Either others can help or you have to experiment.
About PC mode: I don't know where it is in the new interface of webos, you had to push the input button on the old one for that. Search for C1/G1 videos on youtube, someone showed it for sure (I think Vincent as well).
chros
22nd June 2021, 20:35
With the latest firmware, there is no difference any longer between the C and the G setting. LG caught on ;)
Cheeky bastards :D
SamuriHL
22nd June 2021, 20:47
HDR is a pain in the ass. That issue is "normal" depending on the software in your video chain. Letting madvr switch HDR on and off is the best way, but, as you noticed, until madvr exits completely it doesn't necessarily reset. There's an option in madvr to reset the video after playback although I don't remember exactly what it's called off the top of my head. Check that it's set. Kodi probably has something like that built in, too. Make sure to pick one of them, not both. Personally I let madvr do it.
ashlar42
22nd June 2021, 21:38
No worries, just shoot the questions. If you will put around 100 hours into it, i'd like you to do some small tests for us, hope that's ok.If it's within my capabilities, I'll try. Nothing too complicated, I hope, as the HTPC is used by my wife and daughter too, so I have to minimize the risks of seriously messing it up.
HDR issue is probably caused by "driver". Personally I can't help you with that since I use an old driver.
Either others can help or you have to experiment.
I checked the drivers guide in this forum and there did not seem to be outstanding problems in new drivers.
About PC mode: I don't know where it is in the new interface of webos, you had to push the input button on the old one for that. Search for C1/G1 videos on youtube, someone showed it for sure (I think Vincent as well).
Ok, the other part of the question is: why is PC mode desirable?
HDR is a pain in the ass. That issue is "normal" depending on the software in your video chain. Letting madvr switch HDR on and off is the best way, but, as you noticed, until madvr exits completely it doesn't necessarily reset. There's an option in madvr to reset the video after playback although I don't remember exactly what it's called off the top of my head. Check that it's set. Kodi probably has something like that built in, too. Make sure to pick one of them, not both. Personally I let madvr do it.
I am looking at the rendering options in madVR and I can't find anything regarding resetting after playback.
Unless you're talking about these options:
https://i.imgur.com/3nyMJkA.png
Edit: while researching... I suppose this might be it: https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1927705&postcount=2097
chros
22nd June 2021, 22:44
Maybe, if they haven't fixed it yet (that's why i use v398.18).
PC mode: you get chroma 4:4:4 with it.
About tests: nothing complicated, we are just curious whether LG fixed the previous issues. Let us know when you are ready, no rush :) What other external playback devices do you have? (BD player, shield, firestick, etc)
ashlar42
22nd June 2021, 22:47
Holy hell https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1929660&postcount=2181
Six and half months and the problems is still there? Gonna check the latest drivers that came out today. I'm speechless... and not in a good way.
chros
22nd June 2021, 23:02
Actually it's a year old at least, I noticed this starting with 442.92.
But it's not clear to me whether it's a driver issue (due to Windows 10 HDR API) or madvr needs to be updated.
That's why I suggested to get an old pascal card.
ashlar42
22nd June 2021, 23:05
Actually it's a year old at least, I noticed this starting with 442.92.
But it's not clear to me whether it's a driver issue (due to Windows 10 HDR API) or madvr needs to be updated.
That's why I suggested to get an old pascal card.Yeah, the 3070 was a gift, not a choice. Is it possible to install older drivers with a 3070? Or they refuse to install, not recognizing the card?
chros
22nd June 2021, 23:08
You can research it, I never tried, but I guess it won't work.
If you don't play games, you can sell it, you will get good price for it nowadays :)
nevcairiel
23rd June 2021, 00:27
But it's not clear to me whether it's a driver issue (due to Windows 10 HDR API) or madvr needs to be updated.
That's why I suggested to get an old pascal card.
madVR is quite out of date as it comes to OS HDR integration at this point. Other video renderers in other players manage the transition into HDR and back out perfectly.
SamuriHL
23rd June 2021, 00:28
I am looking at the rendering options in madVR and I can't find anything regarding resetting after playback.
Unless you're talking about these options:
https://i.imgur.com/3nyMJkA.png
Edit: while researching... I suppose this might be it: https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1927705&postcount=2097
Yea those are the options. I had to step away from my machine for a bit so couldn't look them up. But that's what I use with MC28 and it works well for me.
SamuriHL
23rd June 2021, 00:30
madVR is quite out of date as it comes to OS HDR integration at this point. Other video renderers in other players manage the transition into HDR and back out perfectly.
Yes. nVidia even had to put a work around in the driver to get it to work at ALL for madvr. Not ideal and not likely to get fixed any time soon.
ashlar42
23rd June 2021, 00:32
madVR is quite out of date as it comes to OS HDR integration at this point. Other video renderers in other players manage the transition into HDR and back out perfectly.
Yeah, I came back to note how regular Kodi 19.1 has no problem switching to HDR and switching back, all without exiting from the application.
Quite a sorry state of things. And, at this point, it's not even Nvidia's responsibility, I'm afraid.
oldpainlesskodi
23rd June 2021, 08:16
LG OLED BX, madVRhdrMeasure113 (0.92.17) and AMD no problems with dsplayer and HDR.
Re PC settings on the new OS, press the input button on the bottom of the remote and select Dashboard, then click the settings icon on the top right and select you input - don't highlight the name, but the actual HDMI pic, and then scroll down and select PC.
I don't bother with PC mode, as it disables some useful options (to me).
ashlar42
23rd June 2021, 11:44
LG OLED BX, madVRhdrMeasure113 (0.92.17) and AMD no problems with dsplayer and HDR.
On what driver version? Latest? Or even AMD is playing the whack-a-mole game with madVR users?
Re PC settings on the new OS, press the input button on the bottom of the remote and select Dashboard, then click the settings icon on the top right and select you input - don't highlight the name, but the actual HDMI pic, and then scroll down and select PC.
I don't bother with PC mode, as it disables some useful options (to me).
Thank you. I actually suspect that it activated PC mode for me already, as I can't access several options (Clarity ones, mainly). I will report back on this.
oldpainlesskodi
23rd June 2021, 11:58
As per my sig, 21.4.1 and I have zero issues with HDR etc.
ashlar42
23rd June 2021, 14:09
Any idea as of why my HTPC makes the 77C1 gray out Noise Reduction, MPEG Noise Reduction, Smooth Gradation, Cinema Screen and TruMotion? This on all video modes, apparently (tried Standard and ISF ones)
PC uses an Nvidia RTX 3070, Windows 10 x64 1809, latest drivers (updated today), certified HDMI 2.1 cable. Tried setting it up as PC input and regular one, no change.
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