RealAnime 4 - General Questions and Troubleshooting Thread

[killerhex]

i have downloaded some mkv with triple audios and was wondering if you can make an option to encode oly 2 audio tracks like [japanese+english]

[Sirber]

i have downloaded some mkv with triple audios and was wondering if you can make an option to encode oly 2 audio tracks like [japanese+english]You can with RealAnime 3.2, but it's impossible with 4.0. User Interface merged to be simpler and keep only 1 audio and 1 sub, or all of them. I'm sure you can just update x264.exe for 3.2 and encode well. No AAC+v2 though...

[killerhex]

will the new version encode aac to other format without decoding to wav the re-encoding

[Sirber]

will the new version encode aac to other format without decoding to wav the re-encodingNope. Besweet don't handle AAC as input so I have to go through wave. Also, there are no "new version", just a final version of the current one :).

[Sirber]

I updated the "AAC+ v2" encoder to winamp 5.2.
I will try also to handle mono source (they curerntly fails) for this codec.

[Sirber]

Naruto intro (23s) test:
640x480, 24FPS, anime content with low and high motion scenes

400kbps (inc 32kbps AAC PS) (http://www.mytempdir.com/460716)
350kbps (inc 24kbps AAC PS) (http://www.mytempdir.com/460722)

I'm gonna lower the bar for the defaults:
Video: 326kbps (RC3: 368kbps)
Audio: 24kbps (RC3: 32kbps)
Estimated file size: 60MB (RC3: 70MB)

[BoostAddict]

how come the two samples are so choppy?

[Sirber]

how come the two samples are so choppy?What do you mean?

[BoostAddict]

http://boostaddicts.com/snapshot.jpg

see how its rough around the edges
its not clear and crisp like the original
this is the 400kbs sample also

[killerhex]

is that encoding with x264

[Sirber]

It's normal. The encode is 23 seconds, so it doesn't have the same bitrate curve as a 24 minutes encode. If you make the full 24 minutes encode, the intro is lileky to get 2-3 times more bitrate than it got in this clip.

What about the audio?

[BoostAddict]

ah i see, no wonder some of my sample clips i make myself looks so iffy

the audio seemed fine

[Sirber]

ah i see, no wonder some of my sample clips i make myself looks so iffyiffy? :confused:

the audio seemed fineBoth 32kbps and 24kbps?

[BoostAddict]

iffy? :confused:

:o iffy means weird
referring to my sample clips, they didn't look good
but i guess it was because it was a 20 sec sample instead of a 24 minute encode

Both 32kbps and 24kbps?
yes both 32 and 24 sounded fine

[Sirber]

So, is it OK with everyone if I lower the bitrates?
I need everyone comments! :D

[ggab]

for audio yes, 24kps is fine

but, go on using 376kbps for video, we might get a higher quality :)

[Sirber]

for audio yes, 24kps is fine

but, go on using 376kbps for video, we might get a higher quality :)But filesize will not decrease :(

IMO x264 is pretty good to handle the bitrate drop, on 24 minutes content. If you only do 2 pass best keep 376kbps :)

[BoostAddict]

i still use 468 no matter what ;)
not much of a file size increase so i dont mind

[Sirber]

i still use 468 no matter what ;)
not much of a file size increase so i dont mind
468 + 32? Ewwwww 85MB ;)

[killerhex]

well im just goin to wait for the release

[BoostAddict]

85 is GOOD compared to 200+

[Sirber]

Since Damrod was supposed to do the automatic filtering for the handeled profiles (PSP, iPod and PPC) and I have no news about it, we'll release the 4.0 whitout it (only normal profil) and release a 4.1 later with it.

We are currently fixing bugs about track management, then I'm pretty confident we can release 4.0.

[killerhex]

jus add the profiles to the powerpack

[Sirber]

jus add the profiles to the powerpackThere will be no powerpack with 4.0. :)

[killerhex]

oh ok

[Sirber]

well, I made a poll about that and everyone want both merged.

[LAIN]

we have corrected few bug -track management/language/... and we are currently making few test for the final release (4.0) for the profile it will be delayed, because we want ppl to have access to the main feature of realanime (encoding x264) ... be prepare for download :D hehehe

will keep you informed... if there is any new bug, just post them here!!!

thanks every RealAnime users!!!


LAIN

[killerhex]

cant wait

[clone83]

we have been waiting for this for ages but i guess that is what we have to do sice we all want perfection... and if i know these guys, then it will be perfect :cool:

[DJ_Izumi]

Ya know... I'm testing this piece of software out on a lossless master copy of an anime music video I did so I can compare it to the XviD and DivX encodes... But asside from being an idiot proof GUI for h264 encoding, the whole 'Anime' part of this software confuses me.

I understand it's been built to accept easy transcoding of other downloaded animes, including dual audio things like OGM and MKVs but... Wouldn't you have to be an idiot to take something that was encoded from MPEG-2 on DVD, to XviD or DivX, and now to ANOTHER lossy codec just to save 50mb of disk space? It would be even worse for fansubs which are often TV Rip -> XviD/DivX -> XviD/DivX (AGIAN, this time encoding in subtitles into the video) -> h264 (via RealAnime)...

I can see the advantage in 'fresh' encodes, going from Mpeg-2 -> h264, where as you can get more bang for your megabyte of storage, allowing higher quality encodes but the main target of this software seems odd...

Also, does this software correctly support aspect ratio/anamorphic needs that some MKV's make use of?

[Eretria-chan]

I understand it's been built to accept easy transcoding of other downloaded animes, including dual audio things like OGM and MKVs but... Wouldn't you have to be an idiot to take something that was encoded from MPEG-2 on DVD, to XviD or DivX, and now to ANOTHER lossy codec just to save 50mb of disk space? It would be even worse for fansubs which are often TV Rip -> XviD/DivX -> XviD/DivX (AGIAN, this time encoding in subtitles into the video) -> h264 (via RealAnime)...
No... it makes sense! 50 mb in itself is nothing, but when you add it up (10 * 50 = 500). And a regular anime download (as far as I have seen), it about ~200-250 mb (lower and you have bad quality encodes). That saves a lot of space.

I can see the advantage in 'fresh' encodes, going from Mpeg-2 -> h264, where as you can get more bang for your megabyte of storage, allowing higher quality encodes but the main target of this software seems odd...

Also, does this software correctly support aspect ratio/anamorphic needs that some MKV's make use of?
I think the purpose of this application is acceptable (good?) quality at low bitrates (hence saving space).

I'm all for lesser filesize as long as the quality loss isn't too bad. I still use noise reduction, and can continue to if necessary. Not too much of a big deal to me...
I still have to listen to the audio, though.... last time I listened (with 32 kbps), it failed at some points.

[Sirber]

Also, does this software correctly support aspect ratio/anamorphic needs that some MKV's make use of?Not sure, since I didn't hit any of them. It depends which decoder you use, how the flag has been set, etc.

[DJ_Izumi]

No... it makes sense! 50 mb in itself is nothing, but when you add it up (10 * 50 = 500).

500mb is about 1/9th of the total storage of a single layer DVD disk... The storage savings doesn't seem practical, especially when one considders that lossy to lossly encoding will result in reduced quality over the original.

[Sirber]

500mb is about 1/9th of the total storage of a single layer DVD disk... The storage savings doesn't seem practical, especially when one considders that lossy to lossly encoding will result in reduced quality over the original.Quality is not that inferior, also I like to burn 2-3 series on the same DVDR. Money and space saving :)

[LAIN]

500mb is about 1/9th of the total storage of a single layer DVD disk... The storage savings doesn't seem practical, especially when one considders that lossy to lossly encoding will result in reduced quality over the original.


50 mb is a random number... normally the size of a encode is ~50% of the original size without a big lost of quality. A lot of time that the size in less than 50% with the same bitrate. I'v seen 10 gb series compressed in 3.8 without a great lost of quality. Yes single layer dvd are chea- ~40¢ each if you have a great deal, but it's not a reason to take twice dvd for a single series.

LAIN

[DJ_Izumi]

50 mb is a random number... normally the size of a encode is ~50% of the original size without a big lost of quality. A lot of time that the size in less than 50% with the same bitrate. I'v seen 10 gb series compressed in 3.8 without a great lost of quality.
...I think I'm going to throw up. :/

[Sirber]

...I think I'm going to throw up. :/If you don't like to recompress anime and save space, why are you polluting my thread?

[DJ_Izumi]

I was curious about x264 encoding GUIs. Obviously.

Anyway, any plans to include 'direct stream copy' features for audio encoding in case you don't want the audio touched?

[Sirber]

It's in advanced, dubbed "Encode audio". But, it doesn't work with AVI / AVS yet.

[LAIN]

I was curious about x264 encoding GUIs. Obviously.

Anyway, any plans to include 'direct stream copy' features for audio encoding in case you don't want the audio touched?


there is a option in adv tab of Settings that allow you to skip the audio encoding

[EDIT]

Sirber answered faster than me :(

[killerhex]

so what else are you guys doin for RA4 until release

[LAIN]

so what else are you guys doin for RA4 until release


for now we are curently testing the features that we have added and correcting the bugs that we encounter. There no more major develloppement to do, but I can't say when it will be released. It will be before ~10 days max, I'm moving in another province of Canada and wont be able to do some coding until i'm set up at the new location.

Currently the test that we are currently made have successfully been accomplished. We'll keep you informed about the situation!!!

LAIN

[Edit]

--> the only major dev that need to be done and that will be available with version 4.1, it's the profile selection.

[Eretria-chan]

500mb is about 1/9th of the total storage of a single layer DVD disk... The storage savings doesn't seem practical, especially when one considders that lossy to lossly encoding will result in reduced quality over the original.
You seem to an overly perfectionist about quality. For some, it really isn't as much quality drop to make a differenece. And I DO prefer to put a whole series or more onto a dvd and don't clutter up thousands of dvds all over my room.

[Sirber]

I did some listening and 24kbps is missing something... so new defaults will be:

video: 318kbps
audio: 32kbps
total: 350kbps.

so we're still saving bits :)

[killerhex]

:sly: :scared: :mad: :angry: i want to try the new version

[Sirber]

Still figthing a nasty bug. Missing FPS from MKV, so the encode is all wrong.

I wouldn't mind help though, in what ever way you can.

[killerhex]

i encode with the original FPS and i dont know how to help

[LAIN]

i encode with the original FPS and i dont know how to help


the problem that we can't extract fps from files... MediaInfo dont seem to like it (it's the second time that we faced this problem... but we are working on a solution to correct this bug)

LAIN

[Sirber]

i encode with the original FPS and i dont know how to helpI didn,t ment on that pecular issue, but in general. Did you find any bugs in RC3? Is there something we can improve? Can you help us with some coding? Did you encounter hard sources? Is there enough filter? Are the one in place effective? Are the defaults good enough? Bitrates, are they ok by default? Should MP4 be used instead of MKV by default?

All interresting stuff :)

[killerhex]

there was one problem when i encoded a video yesterday the video and audio were out of sync

i tried changing the the original fps 23.98 to 25 but it didnt work for me and i encoded the audio to aac+v2 32kbps and video 325