RealAnime 4 - General Questions and Troubleshooting Thread

[Danisan]

I have one persistant problem with RealAnime ever since i upgraded to a dual core CPU. Audio analyzing and transcoding is very slow unless i manually set the affinity to one core.

However, if I hold down the left mouse button on the slider in the Input window it speeds up the audio encoding if I don't set affinity to one core.

I've made a small video capture to demontrate this.
http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=12303dd5e3572ca10f26421e

[Sirber]

This seems to be the same as the "HT problem". BeSweet goes very slowly for no reason. I will post a new build to see if it helps.

[Sirber]

@Danisan

I got lost in the ads. I couldn't get the video.

Here's a new build. I changed the Sleep from 150ms to 30ms.

http://www.mytempdir.com/412333

[Danisan]

You're right FileFactory sucks butt with all the ads. I placed it here instead:
http://www.mytempdir.com/412813


Thanks for the new build, I'll try is ASAP! :)

[Sirber]

If it's like the HT bug, the lower Sleep in ms, the better it runs. I added a Sleep to prevent lost CPU by RealAnime on SMP machines.

[Inventive Software]

Maybe have an SMP build and a non-SMP build; if the Sleep hurts non-SMP machines quite badly, it may be a viable alternative.

[Sirber]

Sleep don't affect non-SMP machines, usualy. It at worst add a little latency in the UI responsiveness. The problem has been only been reported with besweet. x264 is not affected.

[Danisan]

Well, it helped. Audio encoding is much faster now. :thanks:

[Sirber]

What's the CPU usage of BeSweet?

[Danisan]

On my X2 3800+ it uses 45-50%. That equals one core at full load. And that's with the new RA build you posted. Don't remember how much the old one used.

[Sirber]

ok. BeSweet is not SMP. everything seems normal then :)

[killerhex]

do i need to install nero 7

[BoostAddict]

wow my computer is only 1.6 ghz
that's how fast mine goes (when you're not touching the slider) haha

gotta look into dual cores now...

[Sirber]

do i need to install nero 7
No. Everything needed is bundeled.

[Sirber]

wow my computer is only 1.6 ghz
that's how fast mine goes (when you're not touching the slider) haha

gotta look into dual cores now...As well as new DDR dual channel and a PCI express video card ;)

[ggab]

with these quick settings change:
x264 @ 500kbps. quality, High, 3pass, MP4 , NOT encode audio

rc3 error: Merge Error #3(Mkv Merge)

source: xvid, mp3

General
Count : 170
Kind of stream : General
Count of video strea : 1
Count of audio strea : 1
Count of text stream : 0
Count of chapter str : 0
Count of image strea : 0
Complete name : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\output\Ichigo 100% - Promo.avi
Folder name : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\output
File name : Ichigo 100% - Promo.avi
File extension : avi
File size : 3502080
File size : 3.34 MiB
File size : 3420 KiB
File size : 3.3 MiB
File size : 3.34 MiB
File size : 3.340 MiB
Format : AVI
Format : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Extensions : AVI
Overal BitRate : 1886896
Overal BitRate : 1887 KBps
PlayTime : 14848
PlayTime : 14s 848ms
PlayTime : 14s 848ms
PlayTime : 14s 848ms
PlayTime : 00:00:14.848
Codecs Video : XviD
Audio codecs : MPEG1/2 L3
App_Muxing : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.1 (build 2366/release)

Video #0
Count : 168
Count of stream of t : 1
Kind of stream : Video
StreamKindID : 0
Codec : XVID
Codec : XviD
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec/Url : http://www.koepi.org/xvid.shtml
Bit rate : 1745896
Bit rate : 1746 KBps
Width : 640
Height : 480
Aspect ratio : 1.333
Aspect ratio : 4/3
Frame rate : 23.977
Frame rate : 23.977
FrameCount : 356
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.237

Audio #0
Count : 168
Count of stream of t : 1
Kind of stream : Audio
StreamKindID : 0
Codec : 55
Codec : MPEG1/2 L3
Codec/Info : MPEG1 or 2 Audio Layer 3
Codec/Url : http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/amm/index.html
Bit rate : 128000
Bit rate : 128 KBps
Channels : 2
Channels : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44100
Sampling rate : 44 KHz

[ggab]

i have checked C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\temp

and i got:

source.avi // same avi input file (3.3mb)
(do u say that avi copy in temp folder is not needed anymore :S ?)

1.avs //
........
LoadPlugin ("C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\avs\NiceFPS.dll")
DirectShowSource("C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\temp\source.avi", audio=false)

NiceFPS()
ConvertToYV12()

and video.mp4.mp4.mp4 (only video ABR 500kbps) 0.9 mb

[Sirber]

x264 (.mp4) + MP3 (.mp3) hasn't been tested yet with MP4 output. Can you list the files in "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\temp" ?

[Sirber]

i have checked C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\temp

and i got:

source.avi // same avi input file (3.3mb)
(do u say that avi copy in temp folder is not needed anymore :S ?)

1.avs //
........
LoadPlugin ("C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\avs\NiceFPS.dll")
DirectShowSource("C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\temp\source.avi", audio=false)

NiceFPS()
ConvertToYV12()

and video.mp4.mp4.mp4 (only video ABR 500kbps) 0.9 mbhum... you got me on that :) Audio is in AVI and hasn,t been extracted since I feed the AVI to besweet. I suggest that you recode audio to AAC at 64kbps or 96kbps, or AAC+ at 64kbps. To fix I would have to convert AVI to MKV before encoding to use the MKV extraction functions.

[ggab]

ok, thanks

( i still prefer the mkv container because u can add vorbis audio hehe :D )



bug? :

input:

General
Count : 169
Kind of stream : General
Count of video strea : 1
Count of audio strea : 1
Count of text stream : 0
Count of chapter str : 0
Count of image strea : 0
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\Propietario\Escritorio\Videos01\+Initial D Second Stage OP (TV TMPG).mpg
Folder name : C:\Documents and Settings\Propietario\Escritorio\Videos01
File name : +Initial D Second Stage OP (TV TMPG).mpg
File extension : mpg
File size : 34883588
File size : 33.3 MiB
File size : 33 MiB
File size : 33 MiB
File size : 33.3 MiB
File size : 33.27 MiB
Format : MPEG1
Format : MPEG 1 multiplexer
Format/Extensions : M1S MPEG MPG MPE MPGX MPM
Overal BitRate : 3019276
Overal BitRate : 3019 KBps
PlayTime : 92429
PlayTime : 1mn 32s
PlayTime : 1mn 32s 429ms
PlayTime : 1mn 32s
PlayTime : 00:01:32.429
Codecs Video : MPEG Video 1
Audio codecs : MPEG Audio 1 layer 2

Video #0
Count : 35
Count of stream of t : 1
Kind of stream : Video
StreamKindID : 0
Codec : MPV1
Codec : MPEG Video 1
BitRate/Mode : VBR
Width : 320
Height : 240
Aspect ratio : 1.333
Aspect ratio : 4/3
Frame rate : 29.970
Frame rate : 29.97
FrameCount : 2772
Delay : 0

Audio #0
Count : 34
Count of stream of t : 1
Kind of stream : Audio
StreamKindID : 0
Codec : MPA1/2
Codec : MPEG Audio 1 layer 2
Bit rate : 224000
Bit rate : 224 KBps
Channels : 2
Channels : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44100
Sampling rate : 44 KHz
Delay : 0
Video0 delay : 0



and when i wanna preview it in video filtering: (with/without use directshow)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8453/dibujocert46dh.gif

[ggab]

i got again Merge Error #3(Mkv Merge)

with the file from the previous post and x264 high 3pass 400k MKV , NOT encode audio

resulting in \temp

source.avs
//
# RealAnime 4
DirectShowSource("C:\Documents and Settings\Propietario\Escritorio\Videos01\+Initial D Second Stage OP (TV TMPG).mpg")


1.avs
//
.......
LoadPlugin ("C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\avs\NiceFPS.dll")
AVISource("C:\Program Files\RealAnime 40rc3\temp\\source.avs")
Tweak (0 , 1 , -20.0 , 1 )
NiceFPS()
ConvertToYV12()


and video.mkv.mkv.mkv video only, ~ 400kbps
//
Video: 1min 30seg, 4600kb, MPEG4 Video (AVC) 320x240 29.97fps [Video]


i guess it's a similar issue like the MP4 one (because i am not encoding the audio file.....?¿)

[ggab]

which version is \besweet\libvorbis.dll ?

vorbis 1.1.1, vorbis aoTuV beta 4, etc??


EDIT: it is updated, great job ;) Same file/crc32 like the Standard one from these page:

www.rarewares.org/ogg.html

libvorbis.dll using aoTuVb4.51 2005-12-08
library for encoding/decoding Vorbis files. ICL9.0 compiles.
Standard (197Kb) - P4 Only (174Kb)

(the P4 version, is a ICL compile for P4/AMD Sempron, Athlon 64, so if realanime requires that cpu, it might be faster...)





with RC3, is it right?

if a choose:
AAC codec (64kbps to 128kbps) it uses Nero 7
AAC+ code (32 to 64) it uses real audio encoder
AAC+ v2 code (16 to 64) it uses Winamp 5.12 encoder



I have no data about 2 pass High vs 3 pass medium, but I know 3 pass gives more stable backgrounds. You can also check "Trellis optimizations" in Advanced (30-40% less speed).
even with x264 r408 is about 35% less speed?
did you do/know any tests about quality gain?


i would like to have the best possible quality (anime sources in general) so i'm using x264 High 3pass Filt. +1 (but without Trellis ON.... is it worth?)


with a video bitrate of about 400kbps for 320*240 video file
about 500kbps for 480*360
and about 600kbps for 640*480 video (almost dvd rip quality)


are u guys agree with these "quick" equivalents bitrate settings :D ?




*wishlist* can u add the crop avisynth function in the filter roll-up ? it is very useful :)

[Sirber]

@ gabb

with these quick settings change:
x264 @ 500kbps. quality, High, 3pass, MP4 , NOT encode audio

then

( i still prefer the mkv container because u can add vorbis audio hehe )

;)

About mpeg, I'm sure the bug is coz of Initial D... I hate Initial D... ;)
Did it still encode?

[ggab]

well, it's just a bug report about the MP4 bug

-------------------

Initial D: Yes, the encode is ok, the video file video.mkv.mkv.mkv
video only, ~ 400kbps // Video: 1min 30seg, 4600kb, MPEG4 Video (AVC) 320x240 29.97fps [Video]

is watchable :) (with mkvmerge i added the vorbis audio file)


------------------

one more thing:

that ichigo clip (from the first post of today), if i a choose mkv, it has 23.977 fps (same as source)

and why if a choose MP4, i got 25fps?

well, i guess nicefps() change that.... but why?
mp4 + 23.977fps video is a bad combination?

[Sirber]

@Initial D

Why not making the vorbis with RealAnime?

@ichigo clip

FPS bug. Lain?

[XH42]

A suggestion to future Realanime: Is it possible to have the 'Info/Edit' show stats for 'mkv' containers when you right click your file in the inout window? It appears only to work with avi.

[killerhex]

Analysis failed:unsuported source (.ogm) im getting that everytime i try converting a dual audio ogm file

im trying using RV10-300kbps AAC+v2-64kbps tried encoding video and all audio tracks

[ggab]

Why not making the vorbis with RealAnime?
i dunno if it was using the latest aoTuV one :)



*updated wishlist*
- add the crop avisynth function in the filter roll-up ? it is very useful
- add 80 and 112 kbps vorbis bitrate




i dont see any fps drop when i check Use trellis ON

(High 500 + Trellis ON)
1p ~16fps
2p ~3fps
3p ~2,3fps

(High 500 + Trellis OFF)
1p ~19,5fps
2p ~2,7fps
3p ~2,5fps

well, maybe because that ichigo source is only 14secs long.....¿?


bug: script error, there is no function named "aSharp"

[Sirber]

@XH42

It should work on MKV too, as well as MP4 and OGM. What does it say?

@killerhex

if (LowerCase(sExt) = '.ogm') then

Code is there and has been tested. Can you provide us with a source sample?

[edit]

About your bitrates, IMO you underkill for RV10 and overkill for AAC+v2...

@ggab

* It is the last one :) It can do Q-2!
* About crop, how can I know defautls values? Also, the filtering section will be completly rewritten in 4.1.
* I'll add the bitrates for 4.0
* I can see some framedrop. Sad thing is trellis is used in "Fast First" and it should not.
* Thanks! I will look into that :) must be a forgotten DLL...

[killerhex]

[edit]

About your bitrates, IMO you underkill for RV10 and overkill for AAC+v2...

is this meant for me and what do you mean by it

its working now i muxed the .ogm to .mkv

[Sirber]

It was ment for you. I ment that your video bitrate is too low and your audio bitrate is too high, for the selected codecs.

[Irwin]

Hi. There is a chance for no-256MB Ram version RealAnime ?. I have only 192MB RAM. For example VirtualDub works very good on 64mb machines.

[Sirber]

The 256MB ram recommendation is there for a reason: prevent x264 to use SWAP memory. Depending on your source and filtering, x264 uses from 100MB to 300MB RAM.

[vanger]

RC3 version still creates a copy of input file :mad:
I usually process so much files (over 2Gb) in a day and sometimes have no free space for creating a copy for each movie.
So I already waiting a month for the version without this "feature", but without success :(

[Sirber]

Which source? For MKV, OGM and MP4, files gets extracted in the temp dir. What had been disabled in RC3 is the copy of AVI in the temp folder.

[edit]

I have no choice to extract MKV, OGM and MP4 files, since I need to start the encoder for each single track.

[vanger]

Source: AVI with video in MJPEG and audio in PCM WAV. Size ~3.5Gb.

[Sirber]

and the AVI goes to "\temp\source.avi" ?

[edit]

Looks like I didn't comment enough code:)

get the update here: http://www.mytempdir.com/417374

[killerhex]

im using now
RV10-368kbps
AAC+v2-44kbps
Quality-High
resize bicubic-640x480

total ouput filesize -70-80mb

[Sirber]

@killerhex

good!

@All

I'm gonna remove the checkbox "Low Compelxity Profiles" and use instead a dropdown menu for "Normal", "iPod" and "Pocket PC". I'll need some testers to set the right settings once the base code is working.

[killerhex]

ill test it

[vanger]

get the update here: http://www.mytempdir.com/417374
It seems to work correct now. I'm waiting for the end of encoding :)

[ggab]

in INPUT, right mouse click menu, ADD dvd project do nothing :P


? : if a choose RMVB container only AAC+ is selectable = right
but i "suggest" to set the vorbis codec in grey too, when MP4 is selected :D


question about MSharpen:
#default line#
MSharpen(threshold=10, strength=100, highq=false)

which source is high quality (to set highq=true) ?? (something related to resolution?)



question2 :)

how about the Soften filters? do u find them usefull with realanime?

#example#
TemporalSoften(4, 4, 8, scenechange=15, mode=2)

[damrod]

@sirber : if you need tester...i can help also add psp profile if you want ;-))

for AAC+v2-44kbps is it really equivalent to he-aac 64 in quality?? seems interesting...you do it with besweet?

[Eretria-chan]

Wow, sirber, it looks like your software is really popular. From this month, I have gathered these statistics from my mirror:

Top 10 URLs:

#1: /downloads/RealAnimeLE/RealAnime_400RC2.exe - 39.86%!
#2: /downloads/RealAnimeLE/RealAnime_400PWP.exe - 16.31%!
#3: /downloads/RealAnimeLE/RealAnime_400RC3.exe - 16.17%!
That is a total of 39.86 + 16.31 + 16.17 = 72.34%!

Bandwidth:

#1: /downloads/RealAnimeLE/RealAnime_400RC2.exe:
Size: ~16976 kb
Bandwidth: 11299707 kb = ~11034 mb
Hits: 3672 (20.34%)
Downloads: 11299707 / ~16976 = ~665 times

#2: /downloads/RealAnimeLE/RealAnime_400PWP.exe:
Size: ~7981 kb
Bandwidth: 4624107 kb = ~4515 mb
Hits: 2199 (12.18%)
Downloads: 4624107 / ~7981 = ~579 times

#3: /downloads/RealAnimeLE/RealAnime_400RC3.exe
Size: ~16976 kb
Bandwidth: 4583054 kb = ~4475 mb
Hits: 1313 (7.27%)
Downloads: 4583054 / ~16976 = ~269 times

Total bandwidth transfered: 11.299.707 + 4.624.107 + 4.583.054 = 20.506.868 kb = ~20026 mb

All numbers had their decimals discarded instead of rounding, though. It looks like RealAnime is the most poular download on the site!
Btw, I could rename /downloads/RealAnimeLE to /downloads/RealAnime or something if you want to, since you changed the name.

[anne_so78]

Wow! It's great to see RealAnime being developed so actively ( Hey Sirber, didn't you once promise v3.20 was going to be the absolute last release? ) Say, when can we expect a stable v4.0 release?

[Sirber]

Say, when can we expect a stable v4.0 release?Not yet. I'm rebuilding the UI to make the new filtering section as well as an easier way to use profiles (Normal, iPod, PocketPC, PSP) which will remove codecs and containers that aren't compatible with the selected profile and set the right filtering (like resize 320x240, 12FPS).

in INPUT, right mouse click menu, ADD dvd project do nothing :PThis is due for 4.1. it will let you add DVD source, and graphicaly help you with the resize and crop.
? : if a choose RMVB container only AAC+ is selectable = right
but i "suggest" to set the vorbis codec in grey too, when MP4 is selectedWill be fixed completly for 4.0:)
question about MSharpen:
#default line#
MSharpen(threshold=10, strength=100, highq=false)

which source is high quality (to set highq=true) ?? (something related to resolution?)highq is slower, but has a better sharpen

question2

how about the Soften filters? do u find them usefull with realanime?

#example#
TemporalSoften(4, 4, 8, scenechange=15, mode=2)I never tryed.

[Sirber]

I'm working on a "Profile" thing:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8798/profil4sk.th.jpg (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=profil4sk.jpg)

So it will be more user friendly and more effective. When you select a profil, codecs that can be used with it will be removed, same for containers. Filtering will be set too.

[Sirber]

I added RMVB, ASF, WMV as supported input. It's highly experimental though. Need stereo source if audio.

[killerhex]

can you add a profile for movies

[ggab]

profile for what kind of movies? (dvd rip)?