"Cinavia"/Verance BluRay audio watermark protection

[Andy o]

Who are "they"?
Posters above or reports 4 years ago?

From my forum experience there is a very strong inverse correlation between the "I told you so!" and "Fact!" posts and IQ of the posters...

Diogen.
Can't you tell who I'm referring to?

What you linked has nothing to do with it. They were talking about the PS3's loophole which made Cinavia titles encoded with DVDFab's AACS playable.

[diogen]

Can't you tell who I'm referring to?
No. That is why I asked.
What you linked has nothing to do with it. They were talking about the PS3's loophole which made Cinavia titles encoded with DVDFab's AACS playable.The last two pages only you are talking about PS3.
The rest compete for the Nostradamus crown.

Diogen.

[Andy o]

No. That is why I asked.
The last two pages only you are talking about PS3.
The rest compete for the Nostradamus crown.

Diogen.
Really, for someone with such higher IQ you should have known.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1557121#post1557121 read again? And then subsequent posts until yours.

[Guest]

Guys, let's keep it civil, per forum rule 4. Thank you.

[SamuriHL]

@setarip

http://www.verance.com/AdminSavR/news/news_item.php?news_id=66

While I can't find any titles that have been released in 2012 with Cinavia on them other than Sony...SO FAR...that link at least indicates that other studios have licensed it. It's likely safe to say that we WILL see more, but, so far only Sony has released titles with it in 2012 up to now.

[xenex]

Apparently the 2012 release of "The Thing" - which is a Universal release - has Cinavia, according to a poster on the DVDFab forum. So it's not ALL Sony.

EDIT TO ADD:
It makes no difference I guess, but I have noticed that ONLY SONY puts the "Protected by Cinavia" logo on the (back of the) disc covers. Universal, Fox, and Warner never have. So SONY warns you at least, LOL.

[SamuriHL]

Apparently the 2012 release of "The Thing" - which is a Universal release - has Cinavia, according to a poster on the DVDFab forum. So it's not ALL Sony.

EDIT TO ADD:
It makes no difference I guess, but I have noticed that ONLY SONY puts the "Protected by Cinavia" logo on the (back of the) disc covers. Universal, Fox, and Warner never have. So SONY warns you at least, LOL.

Yea that's nice of them! Lol. I've only seen the one warner bros cinavia release so far. I suspect once we see more players with cinavia the studios will pick up adoption.

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[rotty]

Apparently the 2012 release of "The Thing" - which is a Universal release - has Cinavia, according to a poster on the DVDFab forum. So it's not ALL Sony.

EDIT TO ADD:
It makes no difference I guess, but I have noticed that ONLY SONY puts the "Protected by Cinavia" logo on the (back of the) disc covers. Universal, Fox, and Warner never have. So SONY warns you at least, LOL.

If BD release of "The Thing" is the Kurt Russell version (1982 I think), then there is a BD release of the same film without Cinavia, I have that film.

Now I wonder if it is a frame for frame, sound track for sound track copy but with the watermark.

P.S. As to it being Sony or not, just dont buy.

[SamuriHL]

I believe he's referring to the just released remake.

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[rotty]

I believe he's referring to the just released remake.

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OK Thanks Samuri

[Ghitulescu]

Cinavia is part of AACS requirement with is a part of BD specs. Whoever wants to issue a Blu-ray must implement cinavia (I assume there is a sort of grace period). It's not like CSS which one could use it or not.

[SamuriHL]

I think that should be clarified. It's not required for content mfg's to use. It's licensed separately from AACS at a different cost structure. What is required is for content player mfg's to implement the Cinavia detection. And while all the major studios have licensed Cinavia for use on their content, by no means are they required to use it. Think of it like BD+, which currently only FOX uses. The players are all required to support it, but, it's up to the studios to license it for their content. The same applies to Cinavia as far as I understand it.

[xenex]

I have to agree with SamuriHL here, what Ghitulescu is saying is misleading at best, and wrong at worst. There is NO REQUIREMENT that I have seen for Blu-Ray content (movies) to have the Cinavia audio watermark. It's an option.

As has been discussed before, Blu-Ray PLAYERS mfd after Feb 2012 must include DETECTION of Cinavia. And there is still some question there. Does it mean new "models" (SKU's) of players, or does it mean ALL players? I don't know.

For example, maybe OPPO could continue to release their two players without Cinavia detection, unless and until they release a new "model" player. And they may choose to not release or design a new "model" and say that their current design cannot support it. I suppose we will see soon how this all plays out.

[Ghitulescu]

Well, I don't think Samsung/LG&Co. pushed for cinavia, but the studios. Why would they invest loads of money in a technology they won't use it?
That not all movies have cinavia (yet) is only because they use the first ones as a test.

PS: does any of you have actually seen the AACS licensing agreements and specs? I can read wikipedia myself but this doesn't mean I'm better informed. I doubt this is exactly the same case as MV for analog and CSS for DVDs.

[hello_hello]

Well, I don't think Samsung/LG&Co. pushed for cinavia, but the studios. Why would they invest loads of money in a technology they won't use it?

What loads of money did they invest? I thought Verance license the Cinavia technology? Maybe the studios have to pay a fee for every release which includes it?

PS: does any of you have actually seen the AACS licensing agreements and specs? I can read wikipedia myself but this doesn't mean I'm better informed. I doubt this is exactly the same case as MV for analog and CSS for DVDs.

So where did you come up with your "no player will be sold without Cinavia after 1st Feb 2012" theory?

[Ghitulescu]

So where did you come up with your "no player will be sold without Cinavia after 1st Feb 2012" theory?
From verance web page.

[Ghitulescu]

What loads of money did they invest? I thought Verance license the Cinavia technology? Maybe the studios have to pay a fee for every release which includes it?

David E. Leibowitz is a Co-Founder, past Chairman, and Director of VERANCE and a Managing Partner and Director of CH BOSTON.
Mr. Leibowitz brings twenty-five years of experience in copyright, media, communications, and technology matters, as well as business issues facing the entertainment, new media, consumer electronics and information technology industries.
Mr. Leibowitz previously served as Executive Vice President and General Counsel of the RIAA, responsible for business and legal issues facing the industry with particular emphasis on how to position the industry to utilize new physical and electronic format systems.
During this period, Mr. Leibowitz chaired the worldwide recording industry’s International Steering Committee on DVD Audio, the RIAA New Technology and Multimedia Committee and the RIAA Legal Committee.
Prior to his work at the RIAA, Mr. Leibowitz was a partner in the Washington, D.C., law firm Wiley Rein & Fielding.
Mr. Leibowitz also has served as Policy Planning Advisor to the Register of Copyrights for the U.S. Copyright
I don't think I need to say more...

[jakmal]

Studios have to pay licensing fees to Verance for every movie that they embed Cinavia in (mainly for theatrical releases). The reason why not all Blu-rays have Cinavia audio tracks is because fees to Verance applies there too. Obviously there is a tradeoff here since studios want to sell their Blu-rays at attractive prices and the Cinavia licensing will increase that price for the consumers (eventually all costs get passed on to them).

The founder / CEO / whatever of Verance seems to be well connected with RIAA (not MPAA, which is what the studios come under), but that doesn't have too much bearing on whether studios want the tech or not (except as a conduit for Verance to pitch it to them).

[Ghitulescu]

Try the other one then
Michael B. Ayers, Senior Vice President, Legal & Business Affairs and General Counsel joined Verance Corporation in 2010 as Senior Vice President for Legal & Business Affairs and General Counsel after more than a decade of experience in the content protection business as legal counsel for Toshiba Corporation.
For six years, he actively led AACS LA, LLC, the entity formed by Disney, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba and Warner Bros. to develop and license the AACS content protection technology used for high-definition movies on Blu-ray Disc.
What a surprise that AACS adopted cinavia .....

PS: only IBM, MS and Intel do not own (yet) a studio

[jakmal]

Studios / disc replicators need to pay Verance $0.04 for each disc. By the time this gets down to the consumers, multiply it by 10x to account for the middle-men.

Watermark Detector (part of Blu-ray players incl. software players) needs a payment of $10K - $300K depending on volume. Expect smaller players like the Oppos (which are not mass market) to pay at the higher end of the spectrum. The already costly players are just going to become more costly.

Production houses need to pay $50 per watermarked track. For someone spending millions of dollars, this is a pittance, even if it is per copy sent to the theaters.

Note that these fees are not inclusive of the cost of the watermark detector development (Verance kindly provides the watermark detector code for a price, and I expect that to factor into the cost of the players in a major manner)

[jakmal]

Try the other one then
What a surprise that AACS adopted cinavia .....

PS: only IBM, MS and Intel do not own (yet) a studio

From my interaction with the BD insiders at CES, I was left with no doubt that a majority of the BDA (player manufactorers / chip companies / non-studio personnel) didn't want to license Cinavia (after all, it increases the costs for them when it is made mandatory). They were just strong-armed into accepting it by a few vested interests (like the one you found out above)

[SamuriHL]

From my interaction with the BD insiders at CES, I was left with no doubt that a majority of the BDA (player manufactorers / chip companies / non-studio personnel) didn't want to license Cinavia (after all, it increases the costs for them when it is made mandatory). They were just strong-armed into accepting it by a few vested interests (like the one you found out above)

That's exactly correct right there. No mfg wants to see their costs artificially rise. But it's not just licensing that those mfg's have to consider. There's a lot of testing involved, as well. You don't just drop this code in your firmware and see what happens. (Well, I guess if you're Sony maybe you do :D) The point is that there are a lot of costs around implementing this thing. It's clear who wants it and who doesn't. I'm very curious to see who ends up implementing it right away now that it's required, and who pushes their luck.

[Ghitulescu]

From my interaction with the BD insiders at CES, I was left with no doubt that a majority of the BDA (player manufactorers / chip companies / non-studio personnel) didn't want to license Cinavia (after all, it increases the costs for them when it is made mandatory). They were just strong-armed into accepting it by a few vested interests (like the one you found out above)

That's exactly correct right there. No mfg wants to see their costs artificially rise. But it's not just licensing that those mfg's have to consider. There's a lot of testing involved, as well. You don't just drop this code in your firmware and see what happens. (Well, I guess if you're Sony maybe you do :D) The point is that there are a lot of costs around implementing this thing. It's clear who wants it and who doesn't. I'm very curious to see who ends up implementing it right away now that it's required, and who pushes their luck.

Both opinions are beyond any doubt correct. They do not contradict mine. It's also clear who's pushing for this. And when 3 giant manufacturers of AACS want cinavia, dwarfs like Oppo have to comply, whether they like to pay or not. Matsushita is known for its readiness to implement DRM schemes in its HW.

[SamuriHL]

Both opinions are beyond any doubt correct. They do not contradict mine. It's also clear who's pushing for this. And when 3 giant manufacturers of AACS want cinavia, dwarfs like Oppo have to comply, whether they like to pay or not. Matsushita is known for its readiness to implement DRM schemes in its HW.

Yes, it's quite clear the studios run the entire infrastructure like a cartel. Anyone who doesn't comply with their extortion demands gets their license pulled. No license, no ability to sell a player. So yes, the mfg's will comply, but, I want to see which ones wait until the very last threat of having their license pulled before they do so.

[CruNcher]

From my interaction with the BD insiders at CES, I was left with no doubt that a majority of the BDA (player manufactorers / chip companies / non-studio personnel) didn't want to license Cinavia (after all, it increases the costs for them when it is made mandatory). They were just strong-armed into accepting it by a few vested interests (like the one you found out above)



Though without something like Cinavia DECE will fail so everyone will pay no matter how much it will cost, and those who don't will be outsiders and wont be able to let users play the DECE content in the future on their Devices ;)
And i highly doubt it will fail because some Asian Manufacture doesn't want to pay for the license for a watermarking system that will be mainly used with it then they should stay in Asia with AVS Devices.
If you don't agree to the rules you are out simple as that, they cant be any compromises anymore it's a to big shift :)

It's almost clear that the Digital Protection Part will be DRM provided (mainly) by Rovi (DivX and Microsoft) (+Secure Playback Path (in the continuity off TCG Intel already previewed it successfully) and the Analog Protection part will be Cinavia provided by Verance the OS Security will be granted with Uefi Secure Boot.

So we are pretty much their for Hollywood to say "Ok now we gonna release Digital Movies on Cinema release date" ;)

So there are practically 4 redundant systems that need to be broken (some of them protecting the other)

[hello_hello]

From verance web page.

I couldn't find it. Can you provide a link?

I don't think I need to say more...

You do if you want to show the studios have invested "loads of money" in Cinavia.

Try the other one then

Still doesn't prove what you said is true.

Studios / disc replicators need to pay Verance $0.04 for each disc.)

Seems rather odd the studios have invested "loads of money" in a technology, then still have to pay a license fee to use it. ;)

[spock2000]

I own 5 blu ray players besides the 2 blu ray drives on my pc. 1 160 gb ps3 fat and 1 ps3 slim. 1 samsung BD-D6500 3d blu-ray player and a Sony BDP-S185, Sony BDP-S360. I updated the firmware on the Samsung this month and now it has cinavia protection. If I update the firmware on the Sony BDP-S185 it will have cinavia also. This Cinavia stuff is horrible!:mad: For this reason my solution is to never update the firmware on the Sony BDP-S185,BDP-S360 and to use these players to play my backup copies of my entire original Blu-ray collection. ;)

[SamuriHL]

So they're updating players with firmware now? Fascinating. This should prove interesting. I haven't checked my stand alone player yet.

[Ghitulescu]

I own 5 blu ray players besides the 2 blu ray drives on my pc. 1 160 gb ps3 fat and 1 ps3 slim. 1 samsung BD-D6500 3d blu-ray player and a Sony BDP-S185, Sony BDP-S360. I updated the firmware on the Samsung this month and now it has cinavia protection. If I update the firmware on the Sony BDP-S185 it will have cinavia also. This Cinavia stuff is horrible!:mad: For this reason my solution is to never update the firmware on the Sony BDP-S185,BDP-S360 and to use these players to play my backup copies of my entire original Blu-ray collection. ;)

So they're updating players with firmware now? Fascinating. This should prove interesting. I haven't checked my stand alone player yet.

From verance web page.

Yes, of course they do. I explained several pages ago how they drive people to do the upgrade.

Now it's time for spock2000 to prove the other statements of mine:
-it cannot be rollbacked
-it was not advertised as containing cinavia

BTW spock2000, have you disconnected the other players from the internet? ;)

[hello_hello]

Now it's time for spock2000 to prove the other statements of mine:
-it cannot be rollbacked
-it was not advertised as containing cinavia

They'd be the statements I doubt anyone has disputed because it's fairly likely that's how it'd work.
If he's not going to update the other players, and they don't advertise Cinavia is included, I wonder how he knows the latest updates for the other players include Cinavia, or if he's just assuming.

From verance web page.

Still no link?

BTW spock2000, have you disconnected the other players from the internet? ;)

I have. In fact they've never been connected to the internet.
I did update the Samsung player manually about a month ago (firmware released in December) to see if they'd fixed the MKV aspect ratio problem (which they haven't). I thought I'd take a chance with that player but haven't tested it for Cinavia infection yet. I might do that tonight and report back. The Sony players will probably only ever play my backup copies, so I can't see myself being driven to update the firmware in much of a hurry, if ever.
If I ever come across a disc which the Sony players can't play, and the Samsung player is already infected, I'll just keep the Samsung player updated to use for playing original Bluray discs.

[derbeDeus]

-it was not advertised as containing cinavia


Sony does advertise (http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/product/BDP-S185/downloads/BDP69G_v0033)


From verance web page.
Still no link?

He did say it's on Verance site. Search... (http://www.verance.com/AdminSavR/news/news_item.php?news_id=66)

So they're updating players with firmware now? Fascinating. This should prove interesting. I haven't checked my stand alone player yet.
Sony released Cinavia firmwares on 1st of February :) And Samsung on 2nd.
It was all prepared, just waiting for the clock.

I must admit, they didn't do it as I thought they would, online activation and without notice.
They did it through firmware update and some will even tell you what's in the bag.
If you don't update asap and take a look around you may not "catch" Cinavia ;)

[hello_hello]

He did say it's on Verance site. Search... (http://www.verance.com/AdminSavR/news/news_item.php?news_id=66)

He says a lot of things, such as firmware won't be advertised as containing cinavia. Sony has proved that wrong.
I did look, but for some reason didn't see it. Hence asking for a link.
Thanks.

The press release isn't terribly specific. It'll be interesting to see if manufacturers release firmware for all existing/current players which includes Cinavia, or whether they'll mainly include it in the firmware the players ship with from now on.

For example the Sony player you linked to has new firmware which includes Cinavia, but the Sony player I own (S480), appears not to, and I think it's still a current model. I wonder whether manufacturers are obligated to include it in new firmware for older-model players, or even if it necessarily follows Cinavia detection is something older players must be capable of.

[omegaman7]

I won't connect my Folks LG or Samsung, for fear of them allowing an update. They're not exactly good (at all) with technology. They'll see an update as a positive thing. Naturally...
The funny thing is, I bought the LG to allow Netflix connectivity. But because I'm afraid of their updating it, I won't allow it :p Good luck enforcing it on an HTPC guys! You're gonna need it.

[xenex]

It's amusing how that Sony firmware update link above lists Cinavia under "Benefits and improvements." I'm fairly certain there are NO customers writing in to request "Please add Cinavia, I want it, please!!"

Funny how times change. I remember it was just a few years back that firmware updates were generally considered a "good thing." It meant that the mfg. was still actively supporting older products and often even adding new features.

Now they are a thing to be feared, shunned, and avoided. "What will they take away next - or what horrible DRM crap will they add." To the point that the "upgrades" - if you can call them that - are being forced in some cases.

We live in interesting times.

[Ghitulescu]

@omegaman
http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=6479

and for our maestro in using the internet when he feels in need to argue with people, the snapshot of the home page of verance - namely (that's another helping hand) click me to take you to verance home page then look on the right hand side (http://www.verance.com)
http://oi42.tinypic.com/14lbwl.jpg

[derbeDeus]

He says a lot of things, such as firmware won't be advertised as containing cinavia. Sony has proved that wrong.
This whole thread is created to speculate on the subject. That's not a bad thing, it only matters how good is the idea put forward. We try to compensate with brain the lack of "official" info;) Since most of us don't work for Sony&co, AACSLA or Verance some of the stuff discussed here prove to be correct and some are wrong.

I thought that was common knowledge that 1st Feb is the kick start for Cinavia in all players. It's been discussed in Cinavia forums...

The press release isn't terribly specific. It'll be interesting to see if manufacturers release firmware for all existing/current players which includes Cinavia, or whether they'll mainly include it in the firmware the players ship with from now on.

For example the Sony player you linked to has new firmware which includes Cinavia, but the Sony player I own (S480), appears not to, and I think it's still a current model. I wonder whether manufacturers are obligated to include it in new firmware for older-model players, or even if it necessarily follows Cinavia detection is something older players must be capable of.
I think it's reasonable to say that all players that will continue to receive keys after Feb 2012 will incorporate a Cinavia detector. I don't think manufacturers are forced to include it in older players. I can even say that it's manufacturers choice which players will have it or not, cause they know better how powerful their devices are. So they'll decide to put Cinavia in and continue to receive keys or to "retire" a particular model. <---- btw, speculation ;)
I think someone could say for sure by reading AACS licensing docs. I've started to read one but got bored.

[hello_hello]

and for our maestro in using the internet when he feels in need to argue with people, the snapshot of the home page of verance - namely (that's another helping hand)

Yeah, the link was posted a while ago. I discussed it in my last post. Time to move on.....

[hello_hello]

This whole thread is created to speculate on the subject. That's not a bad thing, it only matters how good is the idea put forward.

I agree. Which is why, like yourself, I wouldn't offer speculation as fact.


I think it's reasonable to say that all players that will continue to receive keys after Feb 2012 will incorporate a Cinavia detector. I don't think manufacturers are forced to include it in older players. I can even say that it's manufacturers choice which players will have it or not, cause they know better how powerful their devices are. So they'll decide to put Cinavia in and continue to receive keys or to "retire" a particular model.

Yeah. I'd speculate something similar. I can see manufacturers offering firmware updates for older players for media compatibility etc, but I don't think it necessarily follows they'll all go to the trouble of also including Cinavia unless they have to. Especially if the minute they do, they've got to pay a fee for the privilege. I guess time will tell.

[xenex]

I think it's reasonable to say that all players that will continue to receive keys after Feb 2012 will incorporate a Cinavia detector.

That's a really backward and odd way of saying things. What you seem to be saying is "any player manufactured after Feb 2012 will not receive new keys from the AACSLA unless they incorporate a Cinavia detector."

But we don't know this to be the case. Now, just as you are, I am speculating. To my understanding, the newer Sigma SoC's (and others) implement the actual Cinavia detection. However, the firmware itself must do the job of muting audio/stopping playback. That's why we see the PS3 and some Sony and Samsung players adding it via firmware.

And as I have read, many older players do not have chips capable of Cinavia detection. So in their case, no firmware update is even possible to add the "muting/stoppage."

I have a strong feeling based on what I have read that this Feb 2012 "cutoff date" will only apply to new models of players that are released. In other words, I am saying that if Oppo, for example, continues to sell their two models of players, they can continue to do so without adding Cinavia detection at all.

But IF they do release a new model, then it will have to include it. But they don't have to design or release a new model either. I know the licensing agreements have a lot of power, but I don't believe that they have so much power that they can force any hardware manufacturer to redesign or modify something they already have in production.

I'm "speculating" too, but with some thought behind it.

[Ghitulescu]

I thought that was common knowledge that 1st Feb is the kick start for Cinavia in all players. It's been discussed in Cinavia forums...


I think it's reasonable to say that all players that will continue to receive keys after Feb 2012 will incorporate a Cinavia detector. I don't think manufacturers are forced to include it in older players. I can even say that it's manufacturers choice which players will have it or not, cause they know better how powerful their devices are. So they'll decide to put Cinavia in and continue to receive keys or to "retire" a particular model.

That's a really backward and odd way of saying things. What you seem to be saying is "any player manufactured after Feb 2012 will not receive new keys from the AACSLA unless they incorporate a Cinavia detector."

I have a strong feeling based on what I have read that this Feb 2012 "cutoff date" will only apply to new models of players that are released. In other words, I am saying that if Oppo, for example, continues to sell their two models of players, they can continue to do so without adding Cinavia detection at all.

But IF they do release a new model, then it will have to include it. But they don't have to design or release a new model either. I know the licensing agreements have a lot of power, but I don't believe that they have so much power that they can force any hardware manufacturer to redesign or modify something they already have in production.

Neither is 100% correct. I said that all the products sold after that date must contain cinavia. That means that the manufacturer must ensure that older stocks that have not been sold yet would receive cinavied-FW.
Adopter may not, after the Certification Requirement Date, sell or distribute a Licensed Product to the public, or cause a Licensed Product to be sold or distributed to the public
If no other provisions are set in the individual agreements, the manufacturer is not required to update all the models it sold before 01.02.12. But if a model was manufactured before 01.02 and this model is still on sale, then it must provide an infected FW.

In this case, the older models will "decay" themselves.

Anyway, to add something few people are aware of: any repair shop MUST upgrade the FW to the latest stand. For Blu-ray-players this will automatically mean cinavia.

[CruNcher]

Also this is just the beginning more Devices (Software) gonna follow in the future see it as the start ;)
And if you think this is coming so unexpected hehe think again this is prepared for years, also be careful with Bios updates ;)

[rotty]

There is a lot said here re power, power of the studio's, LA, etc.

Consumer power makes power of these Companies/Studios etc look pathetic.

In all fields, in all market types, there are no execeptions, this is and has always been true.

If people are not buying players because of this, and are not buying disks because of it then we will see who has the power.

What the buying public want, and dont want have always been the real power and driving force, its true now, and will always be true.

The only power is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[CruNcher]

Just wait for Fairuse to be redefined ;)

[Ghitulescu]

Well, I wonder how many of these users, that download camrips from the net to see a particular movie that is not yet in their theatres, will resist buying, especially when the price will be conveniently lowered.

And, as setarip_old once said, there will always be a certain % of users that won't buy no matter what (let's call them pirates). Diminishing the revenues of the multimedia giants together with the activity of those "Robin Hoods" will give studios the excuse to cut even more from the rights of the rest, honest buyers - it's because of piracy that we had lower incomes, let's cut them the right to a private copy, the fair use right, the right to sell, to rent etc etc, let's make the rootkit mandatory etc etc etc. Will it pass? Yes, because the politicians are more sensible to a direct "sponsorship" of a meagre 50.000$ than to the interest of the millions of voters that put them into the Senate/Parliament.

[CruNcher]

Hehe you have it in that Screenshot" The Definition of Consensus" though not ours ;)

[diogen]

Inventing - and licensing - DRM schemes has a very spotty track record in preventing ripping.
And even less on companies signing up to use them.

CSS
Made completely useless by DVD Jon last century.
Nevertheless, studios still use it on their DVD releases.

AACS
Hacked by muslix in 2006. Seems to be as useless as CSS.

BD+
Despite being reverse engineered by Slysoft, Paramount joined FOX in licensing BD+ .

How can Cinavia prevent me from playing ripped DVD/BDs?
As long as I don't use an "authorized" player, Cinavia presence in the audio stream is completely irrelevant to the playback experience.
Considering all the audio/video codecs in DVD/BD can be handled with third party decoders (e.g. ffdshow),
what can possibly force me to use an "authorized" player?

I can't imagine the anti-ripping campaign to succeed unless streaming is the only distribution mechanism.

Diogen.

EDIT: By "playing ripped DVD/BDs" I mean computer playback.

[Ghitulescu]

How can Cinavia prevent me from playing ripped DVD/BDs?
As long as I don't use an "authorized" player, Cinavia presence in the audio stream is completely irrelevant to the playback experience.
Considering all the audio/video codecs in DVD/BD can be handled with third party decoders (e.g. ffdshow),
what can possibly force me to use an "authorized" player

I wonder why microsoft licensed cinavia ;) ;) ;)

[SamuriHL]

I wonder why microsoft licensed cinavia ;) ;) ;)

For the xbox 720. ;)

[Ghitulescu]

For the xbox 720. ;)

Indeed, I never thought of that ;),
in fact it's useless to invest twice in a DRM technology, one time (Intel Sandy Bridge) suffices ;) ;)
Sandy Bridge, the latest line of Intel's Core i series CPUs, will reportedly feature faster speeds, better integrated graphics, lower power consumption and a DRM scheme to protect the content of motion picture studios.

[derbeDeus]

Despite being reverse engineered by Slysoft, Paramount joined FOX in licensing BD+ .

Link, please?