BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

Since there are a lot of feature request in the Bug Report thread (yes my own are also there), here is a feature request thread.

Best regards

[Chefkoch_ico]

I start with myself.

I tested around with DGVC1DecNV and DGAVCDecNV. They are faster and more compatibler (especially with VC1 interlaced material, a lot as bonus on BluRays) than DirectShow. And it does not matter which filters you have installed.

Here are the test details:
DGVC1DecNV
I am legend GER, 00040.m2ts -> OK
The Mummy 3 GER, 00010.m2ts -> OK
DeInterlacing directly within DGVC1DecNV without further CPU usgae -> OK

I am legend GER, 00000.m2ts, main movie
13.6 mins for indexing over GBit LAN
1st pass encoded 144615 frames, 30.31 fps, 9136.07 kb/s = 79.5 mins
2nd pass encoded 144615 frames, 9.68 fps, 9728.69 kb/s = 249 mins
===
approx 342 mins = 5hrs, 42 mins


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ffdshow
I am legend GER, 00040.m2ts -> libavcodec(NOK: grey picture), wmv9(OK)
The Mummy 3 GER, 00010.m2ts -> libavcodec(NOK: timeout), wmv9(NOK: distortion, crashs)

I am legend GER, 00000.m2ts, main movie
1st pass encoded 144613 frames, 25.13 fps, 9136.31 kb/s = 95.9 mins
2nd pass encoded 144613 frames, 9.19 fps, 9728.67 kb/s = 262.6 mins
===
approx 359 mins = 5hrs, 59 mins


Best regards

[Sharc]

Now, once we started the wish list, here my priorities:
- As an owner of Nvidia I second the request for DGVC1 decoding
- Option to resize to 720p
- Editor to deselect unwanted Extras (similar to DVD-RB)

No hurry though ;)
Thanks a lot.

[rack04]

I would really like the ability to edit the x264 input options. I understand this could cause problems with modifying the input options and breaking compliance with Blu-ray specifications but I think it should be enabled. Maybe similar to the AVS editor in DVD-Rebuilder.

[~bT~]

i got dgtools in the hope of using them one day with bd-rb..
next request would be to simply remove unwanted extras & option to resize to 720 which i hear is in the pipeline.

[DVD Maniac]

My priority is Extras removal and by this I mean menu triggered extras (ie - Trailers, Deleted scenes and other unwanted rubbish) AND the annoying splash screens that appear either before or after the menu (usually copyright warnings or annoying movie studio adverts).

As I mentioned in the thread I started, as an interim step I would be happy with a movie only mode which used the original chapter points (rather than the default 5 minute ones). I would have thought this could be implemented quite easily?

[shon3i]

-vc1 encoding
-mainconcept reference encoder (because support 4 slices) and can be runned from commandline. like CCE :), it will be idealy for BD-25, and its lot faster than x264.


I would really like the ability to edit the x264 input optionsNot all, just most of them, like subme, deblock, cqm, things which can incrase/decrase quality, but not hurt compactibility.

[macnow]

- Untouched Main Video option... only extras encode to BD-25... (many movies fits on BD-25 without/with reencoded audios, extras...)

[Capsbackup]

Shut down after completion.

[wakebrder]

Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.

I realize True-HD won't be possible until tsMuxer properly supports it.:scared:

[~bT~]

Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.

I realize True-HD won't be possible until tsMuxer properly supports it.:scared:

unless JD goes ahead with the muxer he has planned ;)

[wakebrder]

unless JD goes ahead with the muxer he has planned ;)

Well, that is GREAT News!!:D

[PNYBOY]

Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.

I realize True-HD won't be possible until tsMuxer properly supports it.:scared:

I second this request

[canuckerfan]

-vc1 encoding
-mainconcept reference encoder (because support 4 slices) and can be runned from commandline. like CCE :), it will be idealy for BD-25, and its lot faster than x264.


Not all, just most of them, like subme, deblock, cqm, things which can incrase/decrase quality, but not hurt compactibility.
vc1 encoding would be kind of redundant, no? h.264 is already supported by so many hardware devices and we have a great free encoder in x264 for that. vc1 isn't that widely supported and i don't even know an encoder for it. just my opinion, but I believe vc1 encoding can be put on the backburner for a while. no immediate need for it. the less jdobbs has to do, the better.

[turbojet]

Besides the ones already mentioned I'd like to see
- avs2yuv -> x264 64 bit support until avisynth 64 bit begins to be worked on again, it's 10-15% faster for me with cli tests on vista 64 bit. It's just a few extra parameters to add to the x264 line and a 32 KB exe.
- ivtc support, either automatic with scan or adjustable per clip
- no deinterlacing option, and let x264 encode interlaced
- eta of project or at least clip in gui
- show runtime of each clip in stream window

But most of all I'd like to see full backups on dvd5/9 playing back on most players, I know it's a stretch but I have a feeling it can be done.

[shon3i]

and we have a great free encoder in x264 for that
yes and no, if the developers do not begin to improve VBV system, and finally done NAL HRD, and add slices support because it is necessary for 100% Compatibility, which otherwise could lead to the question of x264 as a good a product unusable.

VC-1, can be good option for BD-9 (main movie only) and BD-25 offcourse, VC-1 is aslo free :)

[Freak-o]

I'd like to have a x264 log file for the main feature. This is way more informative than plain bitrate.

[KarstenS]

Not only Shutdown please. I would wish me a pull down or so to chose shutdown, standby or hibernate.

[Sophocles]

Before anyone decides to add HD audio to their reencodes read this article and then decide how much difference it's actually going to make. Take note that the comparisons are being made on ultra high quality very expensive systems in a well designed sound room.

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueHD_DTS-MA_versus_Uncompressed_PCM?page=0%2C0

[PNYBOY]

Before anyone decides to add HD audio to their reencodes read this article and then decide how much difference it's actually going to make. Take note that the comparisons are being made on ultra high quality very expensive systems in a well designed sound room.

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueHD_DTS-MA_versus_Uncompressed_PCM?page=0%2C0
No disrespect, but I could care less what the article says. I know what I hear in my home theater and yes I hear a difference.

[Sophocles]

No disrespect, but I could care less what the article says. I know what I hear in my home theater and yes I hear a difference.

No disrespect taken. I realize that there will be some who insist on keeping HD audio tracks, and I am certain that feature jdobbs intends to add it at one point or another.

Audio quality debates have been going on for decades. Remember when people insisted that good old vinyl was better than CD audio? In the early days of CD they were probably right, and that debate is still in progress. The problem with making comparisons is the quality of equipment, the ability to A/B test, and soundtracks that often involves completely different mixes of the same audio content. I posted the article because I've worked with audio most of my life, and I understood the point being made in the article clearly since I've been in the position to perform similar tests. I do however support your choice, because it is a matter of preference. The point of posting the article was to insure early BD RB adopters that a 640kbs soundtrack is pretty darned good if mixed right.

[laserfan]

The point of posting the article was to insure early BD RB adopters that a 640kbs soundtrack is pretty darned good if mixed right.The predominate message of the article was "Dolby and DTS compression methods are virtually indistinguishable from the original masters" but if lower bitrates being as good as the "HD" versions of DD and DTS was in there too then I'll take your word for it. ;)

Regardless, it seems awfully silly to me that some folks want to make "backups" of BD discs, from 50Gb to DVD-5 or -9, and retain the best audiotrack and at the same time have no deterioration of the video.

If the program has such outstanding audio quality that it's noticeable (and I have one such that certainly IS, despite that my hearing ain't what it used to be), then play the friggin' original disc and archive the audio & video separately if you think you might destroy the original some day (or you can't afford to buy another disc)!

"Backups" indeed! Ha, ha! :devil:

[Sophocles]

Laserfan

I wasn't implying that AC3 640kbs is as good as HD audio formats because I know that's not true. The point that I was trying to make is that home surround systems can't reproduce any real qualitative difference, and what differences that most people hear might not have anything to do with sound quality. Some years ago I setup an A/B test between a DBX recorded cassette tape and a CD, and to make things interesting I used an equalizer to boost hi and low frequencies, and without fail everyone chose the cassette recording. Their perception of what was better was hearing bright hi's and booming bass.

Here are the points made in the article that makes good sense.

The shocker came when we compared the lower 448 kbps Dolby Digital DVD bitrate to the original. There was an audible difference, but it was only ever-so-slightly noticeable (and this is with a high end audio system in an acoustically controlled environment that is so far beyond what typical home theater systems are capable of resolving). There was just the slightest decrease in presence with the DD version, not exactly a softening of the sound, but just a tad less ambience and a similarly small tightening of the front soundstage’s depth. Quite a remarkable result, I thought, and I was highly impressed with how much fidelity can be packed into such a relatively small amount of bitspace. If I was doing actual scoring, I would have awarded a 4.8 grade to the results I heard – the audible difference was that subtle.

that said, I could definitely pick out the difference between the lesser (or perhaps it’s more accurate to say “better”) compressed versions and the higher compressed versions. The difference is mostly in the presence, or ambience. The lossless, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS-HD High Resolution compressed tracks were just a little more open and airy. I hate to say it, but they just sounded more realistic and transparent. The 448 kbps Dolby Digital and standard DTS tracks were less so, a little more closed off. Between the 640 kbps Dolby Digital and the uncompressed, the difference was even less noticeable. Enough so that most people, even those trained to listen for it, probably won’t be able to hear the difference.

If you’ve been listening at home and are sure you can hear a difference on your favorite discs, be wary. There is absolutely no way to tell that compressed and uncompressed tracks on any disc have anything to do with each other. They could come from different masters, they could be mixed differently, or any number of other variables that makes an in-home test, unfortunately, impossible.


In time jdobbs will no doubt add HD audio options to BD RB and for those that might have chosen a single layer backup can always to the dual layer option to keep HD audio on many discs. For me it's like you stated.
Regardless,
it seems awfully silly to me that some folks want to make "backups" of BD discs, from 50Gb to DVD-5 or -9, and retain the best audiotrack and at the same time have no deterioration of the video.

That becomes even more true if any qualitative differences that individuals hear has nothing to do with audible quality.

[laserfan]

Some years ago I setup an A/B test between a DBX recorded cassette tape and a CD, and to make things interesting I used an equalizer to boost hi and low frequencies, and without fail everyone chose the cassette recording. Their perception of what was better was hearing bright hi's and booming bass.Yep. When I was a much younger man I learned that you could almost always get a listener to prefer Speaker A over Speaker B just by cranking the level up a touch!

[Sophocles]

laserfan

Yep. When I was a much younger man I learned that you could almost always get a listener to prefer Speaker A over Speaker B just by cranking the level up a touch!

I think that we're showing our years. LOL I was musician from 1969 to 1976 and then became a high end AV salesmen (AV consultant). From the sounds of things you've been there too. I then left and studied Recording Engineering for studio work, and then back to AV for a while. You are absolutely correct about cranking speaker volum just a bit because that's enough to increase audible highs and lows.

Still there are a number of requests for HD audio and I suspect that jdobbs will in time add it, but for me AC3 640kbs 5:1 is as good as I will ever need it.

[wakebrder]

Before anyone decides to add HD audio to their reencodes read this article and then decide how much difference it's actually going to make. Take note that the comparisons are being made on ultra high quality very expensive systems in a well designed sound room.

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueHD_DTS-MA_versus_Uncompressed_PCM?page=0%2C0

So by all means go for the new codecs, as they definitely sound better than what was on DVD.

To me, this is the whole point of the article. I'm not saying there is a HUGE difference, but if you have higher end equipment, it's definitely there.

I liked the fact that the DTS lab was using the same receiver I have in my living room.:p

With many BDs, the HD audio track has 6.1 or 7.1 channels.
When you extract the core, it downgrades to 5.1. Although XMen 3 came out as DTS-ES 6.1 when I extracted the DTS core.

Then again, maybe some of use just like it when DTS-HD Master or True-HD lights up on our receivers.:D

[jdobbs]

I'll add HD options -- but right now I'm more concerned about bugs...

[KarstenS]

The differences betwenn the audio formats are details. Example: Enchanted (German).

I've watched this movie in DD and DTS.

DD: In some parts with effects and/or music it was very difficult, up to impossible, to understand, what the people are talking or singing.

DTS: In the same parts, the voices and effects are hearable more discrete. It was much easier to understand what they are talkling and it was possible to understand that words, I didn't understood with AC3 track.

I've only a low end equipment (Onkyo TX-SR 606 AV Receiver with actually only 2x"Heco Victa 700" speakers), but I can hear that difference between these two formats and I think, the differences between DTS and HD Formats is a similar difference, but I coundn't test this theory because nearly no Blu-Ray Disk has got German HD Sound.

[Sophocles]

The differences betwenn the audio formats are details. Example: Enchanted (German).

I've watched this movie in DD and DTS.

DD: In some parts with effects and/or music it was very difficult, up to impossible, to understand, what the people are talking or singing.


When there are two different surround tracks on a single disc the differences are often more in the mix down than in the actually quality. There's no question that DTS is superior to 448kbs DD but there should be no audible differences between 640kbs DD and DTS unless they are mixed differently.

To be the "Devil's advocate" that would also mean that if 640kbs is the superior mix then it is going to sound better than DTS. In the end however I think that one should be able to reencode to their preference for the final outcome.

[nurbs]

I think the differences you guys are hearing are likely because the DD tracks all come with dialog normalization and the DTS tracks don't. You could try to remove the normalization (e.g. with eac3to) and compare the tracks afterwards. Maybe there will be no audible difference then.

[shon3i]

With the last EBU multichannel ABX test, shows that the DTS 1.5mbps, AC3 448kbps, 160kbps HE-AAC, E-AC3 320kbps have tied scores, which automatically means that the AC3 640kbps is certainly higher quality than DTS 1.5mbps, from same source.

[yonexsp]

HD DVD output option :)

[shon3i]

HD DVD output option :)
Haha, your newer get that :), but HDDVD as input will be more interesting.

[yonexsp]

when BD Rebuilder runs it creates a x.264 file & the AC3 file. What is needed to make these files compatible with HD DVD? I have tried hddvdmux but it crashes at 10.5%

[jdobbs]

HD DVD output option I'll be honest guys... I really don't see much chance of my spending hours and hours to provide support for a standard that is dead. I wouldn't hold my breath for HD DVD support.

Sorry.

[Surf]

Mr. Dobbs,

HD DVD or Blu Ray INPUT

OUTPUT: sd dvd aka 720x480, one dd5.1 audio and one subtitle jammed packed to the hilt with bits...just like the SUPERBIT.

The funding's on its way if it is affirmative :D.

I scavanged about 100 cheap hd dvd titles recently. Don't plan to buy more than ONE blu player but already have 3 sd players in the house.

[yonexsp]

I'll be honest guys... I really don't see much chance of my spending hours and hours to provide support for a standard that is dead. I wouldn't hold my breath for HD DVD support.

Sorry.

Not even movie only :) PLeeeasee lol!!

[BigCondor]

Just wonder if you can get the program to run without having to change the language of non-unicode programs in the control panel.

[jdobbs]

Good point. I waited too long before looking at that in DVD-RB and decided it wasn't worth the work...

[DaMacFunkin]

Definatley needs a Power Off Function.
Keep HD Audio streams too, virtually all my new disks have HD audio of one flavour or another and obviousley having a 7.1 system i am loave to spend 24 hours+ re-encoding any titles with more than 5.1 channels.
Thanks.

[jfcarbel]

- Ability to cut at end or to apply lower bitrate to end credits

info about encoding on final ISO/disc:
Not sure if this is within the spec, but if there is an area on the disc which will allow a text file to go un-noticed and not break spec, then it would be great to write an encode info text file with all the info about how this BD was encoded. For now the log file would probably be sufficient. But it would also be nice if the user could supply a movie title and their own comments that could be included in this file.

The below suggested features are more final touch features and make the software easier to use rather then truly necessary.

movie playlist and stream descriptions for each movie:
I am thinking that the biggest sticking point may be for non-techie people to be able to decide which options to pick for main movie, or extras to remove, etc. I am thinking that for each title their would be some way for expert users to create XML file that identifies all these and then Rebuilder is able to load these based on a unique discID. This way the user sees audio streams identified as AC3 German, Directors Commentary with..., Actors Commentary. And streams as Main Movie, Unrated Cut, Making of, etc. Then in the options there is an URL that could be supplied to download hosted master versions of these. Or to point a directory where these are stored.

ability to view/listen to streams to decide what to remove:
similar to Nero Recode today where one can choose any stream and view it or scroll thru it quickly with the arrow keys. And ability to choose audio stream and listen to it. This feature might make the above unneccessary.

[mochevolete]

if the option : "- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc." would be really welcome,
I'd add the option : "Downconvert HD / Lossless Audio to DTS Full Rate", very often the LPCM audio is way too big

Nik

[anaboland]

Options to keep original TRUE HD audio tracks and maybe an option to convert/down sample other selected 5.1 audio tracks to 2ch 192kbps, PLZ:thanks:

[Sophocles]

Ok I know that this is going to sound stupid to those of you who face greater than 10 hour reencodes, but if possible I would like to see a return to batch encoding. I figure that overnight and during the time that it takes me to get home from the real world I can easily do at least 3 to 4 BD movies depending on length.

[tyte_E_YT]

How about a pause button so we don't have to lose any progress on the current encode?

[m1482]

Even that I am very happy with this beta program, this additional features would make it even better and faster.

1-Ability to choose encoders (for example, mpeg2 for menus and additional features, and h264 for main movie).
2-Different resolution options for each title and/or menu.
3-Ability to delete some titles.

Thanks for the good work!!!

[VistaVick]

How about a pause button so we don't have to lose any progress on the current encode?

Can't you just save the current project before aborting and load it again later to resume?

[k-c-ksum]

ability to edit the avs file before encoding would be handy, especially to help those 2-3 hour movies that would struggle to hold together on a dvd9

[dre111nl]

How about a pause button so we don't have to lose any progress on the current encode?

I'm not an expert in details of the encoding, but a pause-button would be very much appricated!

Great tool, by the way!

[Sharc]

It could be helpful to indicate in the log the type of encoder used for the original stream, e.g.

- [20:08:12] Collecting video information [00297]
Video: 1920x1080, 29.970fps, VC-1
- Bitrate: 9,185 Kbs
- [20:08:16] Reencoding: VID_00297, Pass 1 of 2
- [20:08:16] Reencoding: VID_00297, Pass 2 of 2
- Error [01:-1073741819] returned from encoder. Retrying.
- Error [02:-1073741819] returned from encoder. Retrying.

[tyte_E_YT]

Can't you just save the current project before aborting and load it again later to resume?

You will lose any progress on a current encode when you save and abort. A pause button would be great for those times when you are in the middle of, say for example, the main movie.

[Sharc]

I wish to find the value of the x264 rate factor in the bd_rebuilder.log. AFAIK it should be available from x264 after pass 1 of an encode.

[Furiousflea]

Not even movie only :) PLeeeasee lol!!

You can do movie only yourself no problem. Preperation to turn it into a Bluray compatible stream only takes a few minutes. just run the source EVOs through eac3to with no switches. Check what stream number corresponds to what you want in your bluray...

example...

eac3to feature1.evo+feature2.evo 2: c:\film\video.vc1 3: c:\film\audio.ac3

Run tsmuxer and add the streams you extracted, then save as Bluray structure. Load the structure into BD-RB, sorted.

[Furiousflea]

if the option : "- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc." would be really welcome,
I'd add the option : "Downconvert HD / Lossless Audio to DTS Full Rate", very often the LPCM audio is way too big

Nik

Not possible as there is no freeware DTS encoder, certainly no "good" one anyway to my knowledge.

[crocked]

I have used bd_rebuilder to convert several mkv files (first converted to blu ray format) in which the the video has been cropped to 1920 * 800. Inserting an addborders(0,140,0,140) into the video.avs file while x264 carries out the first pass has worked to set the video to the correct resolution. A facility in the program to add borders of a user defined size would be useful addition to this excellent program

[redfox]

Any chance of adding the ability to also back up DVD's to BD? I know this can be (partially) accomplished with DVD-RB, but I'm sure BD-RB has the potential for providing better support for this.

[GaPony]

Any chance of adding the ability to also back up DVD's to BD? I know this can be (partially) accomplished with DVD-RB, but I'm sure BD-RB has the potential for providing better support for this.

I'm very curious why someone would want to do that?

[laserfan]

I'm very curious why someone would want to do that?Because you can re-encode ordinary Std Def DVDs to x264, and retain original quality on a DVD5, vs. most comml DVD-9s or even some movies which span multiple discs (e.g. Titanic special, LOTR, Pearl Harbor, etc).

[jdobbs]

It would retain virtually 100% of the original quality because of the increased efficiency of X264.

[edit] Hmm... too slow on the trigger.

[redfox]

Because you can re-encode ordinary Std Def DVDs to x264, and retain original quality on a DVD5, vs. most comml DVD-9s or even some movies which span multiple discs (e.g. Titanic special, LOTR, Pearl Harbor, etc).

Or put a whole TV series onto a BD-25 (or even a DVD-9).

So, jdobbs, how about it? If I'm not mistaken, the concept of BD-RB actually sort of grew out of an original request for precisely this feature, in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135335).

[turbojet]

Any chance of displaying eta reported by x264 in the gui?

[Sharc]

"Shutdown after completion" option would be nice for overnight encodes.

[jdobbs]

Any chance of displaying eta reported by x264 in the gui? It would be okay for "time to complete this pass" -- but time to complete just isn't feasible because there is so much difference between passes. The display already tells you the time is started and the percent complete... seems like the eta is easy enough to estimate based on those two things.

[jdobbs]

"Shutdown after completion" option would be nice for overnight encodes. I'll put one in.

[turbojet]

It would be okay for "time to complete this pass" -- but time to complete just isn't feasible because there is so much difference between passes. The display already tells you the time is started and the percent complete... seems like the eta is easy enough to estimate based on those two things.

That's plenty fine and it's all that x264 and other gui's offer as well. I can understand it would be very difficult to get a good estimate on full project eta.

[Furiousflea]

That's plenty fine and it's all that x264 and other gui's offer as well. I can understand it would be very difficult to get a good estimate on full project eta.

2nd-ed. Time to complete pass is more than sufficient. The extras are almost fun to watch encoding :p it's that 2nd pass on the main movie that we're all wondering..."hmmm do I have enough time to go to the shops and be out for the day or am I wasting my cpu's encoding time"....

just me then :p

[VladDrakul]

Not sure if anyone asked this. But one of the things I would like to see in DVD rebuilder was the possibility to open IMAGE FILES.
the same way as DVDShrink does.

[~bT~]

^ just mount and open. btw, this is a BD-Rebuilder thread..

[turbojet]

In order to resume in between passes, could you write a file (or log it or something) when first pass finishes, if exists check for second pass and if it doesn't exist run second pass?

[Sharc]

I suggest to make a separate (persistent) CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE= in the BDREBUILDER.ini which can be selected under settings/options similar as the standard BD-5/9/25 sizes.

[DIEGO7-5]

Hi jdobbs,

currently interlaced material is deinterlaced with FieldDeinterlace.

Any chance of using something like this to encode to interlaced?:

SeparateFields()
LanczosResize(1920,540)
Weave()

I have tried this in XVID4PSP on h264 1080i/60 material and it worked for me. But i don´t know if this is standalone compatible. According to the changelog XVID4PSP is using a patched version of x264 to achieve this.

[tekmobile]

I know that untouched DTS-HD/TrueHD gets asked for all the time im not really sure whats involved to do this like if theres a "tag" in some other file like the playlist or something but as a test i took my last encode that i still had all the work files for and used tsMuxer to demux the DTS-HD track overwriting the DTS core track that BD-RB extracted then allowed BD-RB to rebuild the m2ts files and everything else it does.

Now i dont know if it will work in a standalone because obviously the disc was oversize due to the DTS-HD track but in totalmedia theatre the disc played back without problems and in the information stated video as AVC (source was VC-1) and Audio as DTS-HD MSTR.

Im just doing another disc with a custom size 2GB smaller that a BD25 to allow for the DTS-HD MA track to burn to a BD-RE and test in my BDP-S350

[turbojet]

Could quick encodes option use the same x264 settings (except add --crf) that is in the movie depending on which quality setting is set?

[gillie]

How about a quick select menu option to recode to 50% of the original file size rather than having to manually work this out and then modify the CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE= in the BDREBUILDER.ini
I store my Blu-ray rips (movie only) on a network share and then stream via a TVIX box. Some movie only rips are huge (i.e. Transformers at 35Gigs) and I have tested with BD Rebuilder and a 50% reduction in size is indistinguishable from the original.
I currently have over 3TB of movies and a 50% reduction without any noticeable quality loss would obviously be a huge saving.
A batch process would also be ideal, even if it relies on an import script, i.e. source path - output path - working path - 50% reduction

[GaPony]

Try the Movie Only to DVD9... I can't tell any difference from the original when playing them side by side. It saves even more space.

[gillie]

GaPony - Tried Movie Only to DVD9 but this obviously results in different "compression" levels, i.e. Transformers would be 25% of original size, whereas Swordfish would be 50% of original size.
I just think that a recode of Transformers from 35GB to 7.9GB must be pushing the limits and must result in a noticeable loss and as such would feel much happier with a simple (and constant) 50% reduction for all my movies.
I'm doing this anyway but currently have to calculate and enter the target size manually.

[MikeyBK]

I've gone to backing up all my Blurays to BD-9s onto my PC (as well as onto discs as well) and they look pretty amazing when viewed on my 40" HDTV from my PC via a DVI to HDMI cable. I've compared original discs to these BD-9 files on different HDMI ports on my HDTV simultaneously and it's really hard as hell to notice which is which... I'm sure if I were to try and disect it side by side there may be, but if I can't tell which is which.... well that's telling me how good BD-RB and x264 really is.

just my 2 cents//

[GaPony]

GaPony - Tried Movie Only to DVD9 but this obviously results in different "compression" levels, i.e. Transformers would be 25% of original size, whereas Swordfish would be 50% of original size.
I just think that a recode of Transformers from 35GB to 7.9GB must be pushing the limits and must result in a noticeable loss and as such would feel much happier with a simple (and constant) 50% reduction for all my movies.
I'm doing this anyway but currently have to calculate and enter the target size manually.

I think the level of quality will be subjective, but its hard to make a general comment that the quality is going to suffer in any significant way. Like you say, some movies will look better or worse than others due to the size (movie runtime) of the original. Transformers, for instance, may or may not be pushing the limits of the software, but it looks amazingly good on a BD9 (Movie Only).

What you're doing is an interesting concept. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't on the radar of jdobbs when he invisioned the final product. Whether he would implement the 50% reduction or not, its nice to see that you can still get to where you want using the custom target size. It could be a slippery slope... you want 50%, someone else may want 30% and there's always that one who will want 42.7%. :)

You did get me thinking about reducing the size of the movies I stream over my network... Thanks... I think. :p

[tyau]

I think the level of quality will be subjective, but its hard to make a general comment that the quality is going to suffer in any significant way.

I agree.
I encoded a couple of muxed 30GB movie-only to a BD5 (at the highest quality settings). I can tell that there's a difference in quality, namely slight decrease in sharpness. However, shrinking a BD to approximately 1/6th of its original size still yields much, much better results than, say, compressing a 4GB movie-only content to a 700MB AVI.

[GaPony]

I agree. I think putting, even a Movie Only copy, onto a BD5 is pushing it for anything more than a 90-100 minute movie. When I look at my Movie BD9's though, I have to wonder why the studios need a 50gb disc even if they include all the extra stuff. I honestly can't tell any difference whatsoever when doing a full copy to a BD25 disc... and I know that the uncompressed audio doesn't use up another 15-20gb of space.

For now I copy every movie I have onto BD25 (Full), BD9 (Movie only), and movies under 90 minutes to BD5 (Movie Only). Its for testing and comparison only. In the name of science... :)

[spida_singh]

I know keeping HD audio was recently added, a request to have this feature extended to the custom file size option. Reason being, i watch all my media via a popcorn hour, my backups are all either 5 GB, or 10GB, give or take a little depending on the length of the media.

regards

[wakebrder]

I know keeping HD audio was recently added, a request to have this feature extended to the custom file size option. Reason being, i watch all my media via a popcorn hour, my backups are all either 5 GB, or 10GB, give or take a little depending on the length of the media.

regards

I second this request.

Some shorter movies/TV episodes could be backed up with movie only/HD audio @ 720p.

If someone decides to back up a 3 hr movie with DTS-MA @ 1080p to a DVD-5, should they really be backing up their discs in the first place?:eek:

Thanks again Jdobbs!!

[GaPony]

How about an option to play a .wav file at the end of processing, to alert the user that the operation is complete.

Yea, I know its trivial, but given the processing time, its nice to keep things moving along without more downtime than is necessary when we have alot of movies to do.

I won't hold my breath on this one. :)

[Furiousflea]

How about an option to play a .wav file at the end of processing, to alert the user that the operation is complete.

Yea, I know its trivial, but given the processing time, its nice to keep things moving along without more downtime than is necessary when we have alot of movies to do.

I won't hold my breath on this one. :)

Not exactly elegant...but as a stop gap solution I just make 4 folders with copies of BDRB\associated files inside and set 4 instances to go at once. :)

18-24 hours later...4 Blurays...

[Capsbackup]

I vote for a "shut down after rebuild", since I would not want to hear an audio alert while I'm trying to sleep in the middle of the night or early morning. Also, the "after glow" of the humming from my I7 920 has warn off, so the noise from it silenced after completion would be a welcome one. :D

[GaPony]

I vote for a "shut down after rebuild", since I would not want to hear an audio alert while I'm trying to sleep in the middle of the night or early morning. Also, the "after glow" of the humming from my I7 920 has warn off, so the noise from it silenced after completion would be a welcome one. :D

That's why I asked for the option... user chooses to use it and what .wav file to use. :)

I wasn't planning on getting up in the middle of the night to change discs... just something to hear when I'm doing something in another room while awake. ;)

Like I said, I won't hold my breath for this feature to be implemented.

[GaPony]

Not exactly elegant...but as a stop gap solution I just make 4 folders with copies of BDRB\associated files inside and set 4 instances to go at once. :)

18-24 hours later...4 Blurays...

Ouch! You must hate your PC.... do the work of four, not even getting paid for the work of one. :)

What processor are you using?

[onesloth]

It would be useful to me if I could use BD-RB to replace the video or audio streams (or m2ts) with files I encoded myself.

[colinhunt]

It would be nice if BD-RB had the intelligence to *not* re-encode the video stream if it fits in the destination size as-is. I'm currently testing v0.20.05 with Ghost in the Shell, and by simply removing one audio track the data would fit on a BD-25 without re-encoding.

[Furiousflea]

Ouch! You must hate your PC.... do the work of four, not even getting paid for the work of one. :)

What processor are you using?

lol yeah just splashed out on a core i7 920 and clocked it to 4Ghz with 12GB memory.

[archaeo]

Not exactly elegant...but as a stop gap solution I just make 4 folders with copies of BDRB\associated files inside and set 4 instances to go at once. :)

18-24 hours later...4 Blurays...

Hmm...wondering how you did that. I tried it with just two separate folders, and get an error (failed to encode) after extracting audio/subs. It appears that I can't get two instances of x264 to run at the same time.

[Furiousflea]

Hmm...wondering how you did that. I tried it with just two separate folders, and get an error (failed to encode) after extracting audio/subs. It appears that I can't get two instances of x264 to run at the same time.

weird...

I have 4 folders BDRB1\2\3\4 (each contain everything in the bdrb distribution).

I have 4 work folders bdwork\1\2\3\4

Simple as that...

Very strange, you shouldn't have a problem running 4 instances of x264. There is no limit to my knowledge. Are you sure you have each instance of bdrb set to run with differet work folders\source folders etc.

Running at least 2 is a good idea because the 1st pass in x264 only uses just over half of the cpu anyway so might as well put it to use.

[archaeo]

Are you sure you have each instance of bdrb set to run with differet work folders\source folders etc.

For the record, I'm running a Core2duo, OC to 3.2Ghz.
Yeah, the source and work folders are different, however the source drive happens to be the same - but not sure that has anything to do with it.
I'll tinker with it a bit and see. But I definitely don't want to crash the system and have to re-do an encode pass:(

[GaPony]

Having a single source drive shouldn't be a problem. The drive's cache should be able to handle the activity. Once the program is loaded into memory, all should be good... if you have enough RAM.

[Furiousflea]

Having a single source drive shouldn't be a problem. The drive's cache should be able to handle the activity. Once the program is loaded into memory, all should be good... if you have enough RAM.

Yeah this pretty much. I run the 4 instances on the same drive for the source and work. But run any of the instances that have a massive m2ts first and let them extract on their own.

At encoding time it doesn't matter at all that it's all on the same drive.

Personally I were using a core2duo I'd just have 2 instances...since there's only 2 threads it would slow encoding down to a degree running 4 x264 copies (i would expect)

[pcdo]

Ok I know that this is going to sound stupid to those of you who face greater than 10 hour reencodes, but if possible I would like to see a return to batch encoding. I figure that overnight and during the time that it takes me to get home from the real world I can easily do at least 3 to 4 BD movies depending on length.

Well it takes me much longer than 10 hours to reencode, but batch encoding would still be an awesome option, especially during the times when I go out of town for extended period of times.

[turbojet]

Could quick encode of extras use CRF with the same settings that are set in quality (--ref --psy-rd --trellis etc.)
- OR -
Could there be an option in ini and/or gui that sets the quality of the quick extras that's separate then the main movie quality setting?

[Sharc]

^
I am looking forward to when the currently greyed out <One Pass Encoding> will allow us to run 1-pass crf encodes for the main movie with "reasonable target file size accuracy" (say between 90 ... 100% of the specified file size). It would significantly reduce the overall encoding time.

[spida_singh]

Any news on keeping Hi Def tracks under the custom file size option?

[Furiousflea]

No disrespect, but I could care less what the article says. I know what I hear in my home theater and yes I hear a difference.

Was just about to say the same thing :)

Any doubters, try listening to the TrueHD track on Akira and have another think about it.

[GaPony]

Well... there's one! :)

[Kurtnoise]

q: does anyone succeed to backup seamless branching movies like Ratatouille with this tool ?

[GaPony]

Sure! Whats your specific problem?

Its more helpful to know what's not working for you, than what is working for the rest of us.. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

well, I retried with the 0.20.07 and that worked fine. Bug fixed I guess...:)



@jdobbs: could you add an option to delete (or not) the working folder at the end of the process ?

:thanks:

[turbojet]

Kurtnoise: good idea on the deleting workfiles directory

Chefkoch_ico: Just a little update for original post

- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.
I think can change into option to retain LPCM audio

- Option to resize to 720p
Can be changed into - correctly resize 720p subs
It's more of a bugfix I know but I've already mentioned it about 5x since the option was added and we've seen jdobbs do a few things off of this list so far, may as well give it a shot

- movie only mode with correct chapters
this seems to be ok at least everything I've done lately, can be removed?

could you also add:
- fully disable streams that aren't really there (remove from mpls)
- accurate output file size
- PIP support

[Category 5]

Is uncompressed audio supported yet? Don't want to waste a day trying if it's not.

1 - How about the ability to encode uncompressed audio as TrueHD in the future? Will it ever happen?

2 - Ability to do a movie only BD from an HD-DVD (keeping original encode if possible).

3 - Is there a way to avoid re-encoding the movie if it is less than a BD25 in size once the audio selections are made? How about an easy way to do this (i.e. a settings switch that says "No re-encode for video that fits on a BD25")

4 - PLease add a feature that allows a 3 minute sample of video/audio to be made, so we can check the quality as we adjust settings and only a small time cost is involved.

This program is evolving so nicely. I think it will one day become legendary like DVD-Shrink did.

[mochevolete]

Is uncompressed audio supported yet? Don't want to waste a day trying if it's not.

1 - How about the ability to encode uncompressed audio as TrueHD in the future? Will it ever happen?

2 - Ability to do a movie only BD from an HD-DVD (keeping original encode if possible).

3 - Is there a way to avoid re-encoding the movie if it is less than a BD25 in size once the audio selections are made? How about an easy way to do this (i.e. a settings switch that says "No re-encode for video that fits on a BD25")

4 - PLease add a feature that allows a 3 minute sample of video/audio to be made, so we can check the quality as we adjust settings and only a small time cost is involved.

This program is evolving so nicely. I think it will one day become legendary like DVD-Shrink did.

I see that you don't waste your time reading ...

1- ??? the only uncompressed audio is LPCM, all other tracks can be compressed to AC3 right now
3- WTF ?! :confused: if the target size is 25GB, why oh why it should do an encode when is already =< 25GB ??
4- we are not talking about old crappy divx here, the 25GB target is insanely good, the 9GB is REALLY good and the 4,7GB is good ...

[Furiousflea]

I see that you don't waste your time reading ...

1- ??? the only uncompressed audio is LPCM, all other tracks can be compressed to AC3 right now
3- WTF ?! :confused: if the target size is 25GB, why oh why it should do an encode when is already =< 25GB ??
4- we are not talking about old crappy divx here, the 25GB target is insanely good, the 9GB is REALLY good and the 4,7GB is good ...

1. He meant compress LPCM to TrueHD. TrueHD isn't uncompressed, it is losslesly compressed. The answer to the question is NO. Not for a good couple of years since the only TrueHD compressors cost ££££.

2. The is possible, follow my "guide for tools". It's very easy.

3. This will likely be added very soon by the author jdobbs.

4. This is unlikely for a long time.

[Category 5]

1. He meant compress LPCM to TrueHD. TrueHD isn't uncompressed, it is losslesly compressed. The answer to the question is NO. Not for a good couple of years since the only TrueHD compressors cost ££££.

2. The is possible, follow my "guide for tools". It's very easy.

3. This will likely be added very soon by the author jdobbs.

4. This is unlikely for a long time.

Thanks Furiousflea. I figured that about TrueHD encoders, but I can wish. ;-)

I'll try from your guide for tools. I was being lazy as BD rebuilder has spoiled me. It'd be great as a simple button feature since a lot of people that bought into HD-DVD would be able to save their collection and enjoy it on Blu from here on out.

mochevolete, I think you misunderstood each one of my points based on your answers. Furiousflea answered me on all points though.

Thanks guys!

[turbojet]

jdobbs: In next version could you add an option to disable deinterlacing and for interlaced streams add --tff to x264 line? It produces smaller files and looks better then deinterlacing.

Could you also enforce mkv elementary streams? There's no benefit in using .264 and MPC-HC/Arcsoft TMT2 don't handle m2ts from .264 streams correctly and looks like they will never get fixed. The joining issue I had with mkv files in seamless branching BD's has been fixed in tsmuxer.

Also could you add CERTIFICATE/BDJO/JAR/META files with --avchd switch for movie only w/o strict avchd, powerdvd and 4 BD players need these files, only 4 samsung's can't have them. For samsung's the strict avchd should remove AUXDATA directory in current output using --avchd. With these 2 all players will be supported again.

[deank]

Any chance of adding the ability to also back up DVD's to BD? I know this can be (partially) accomplished with DVD-RB, but I'm sure BD-RB has the potential for providing better support for this.

I'm very curious why someone would want to do that?

Because you can re-encode ordinary Std Def DVDs to x264, and retain original quality on a DVD5, vs. most comml DVD-9s or even some movies which span multiple discs (e.g. Titanic special, LOTR, Pearl Harbor, etc).

Or put a whole TV series onto a BD-25 (or even a DVD-9).

Sorry to bring that old topic back, but I was playing last night with multiAVCHD and added support for DVD disc/folder/IFO import. If anyone is willing to test and report back - it will be great. It's kind of experimental. Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1285330#post1285330) is the latest info.

Dean

[colinhunt]

jdobbs: What sort of donation would it take for you to implement a direct 1:1 copy of video streams, when simple removal of needless audio streams results in output size less than single-layer BD-R/RE? It feels kind of silly that BD-RB re-encodes the video stream even when it's not strictly necessary.

[hoju3508]

I noticed that too.

I was trying to backup Valkyrie to a BD25 (main movie + english audio + eng subtitle; menu and extras). The main movie + eng audio & sub fit perfectly on a BD25 without re-encoding.

BD-Rebuilder should not touch this part and re-encode the extras and menus only. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to implement this.

:thanks:

jdobbs: What sort of donation would it take for you to implement a direct 1:1 copy of video streams, when simple removal of needless audio streams results in output size less than single-layer BD-R/RE? It feels kind of silly that BD-RB re-encodes the video stream even when it's not strictly necessary.

[jdobbs]

Any news on keeping Hi Def tracks under the custom file size option? It should work as long as your output size is greater than a DVD-9. I think I used 8,500 Mbytes as the trip point.

[jdobbs]

I noticed that too.

I was trying to backup Valkyrie to a BD25 (main movie + english audio + eng subtitle; menu and extras). The main movie + eng audio & sub fit perfectly on a BD25 without re-encoding.

BD-Rebuilder should not touch this part and re-encode the extras and menus only. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to implement this.

:thanks: I noticed it too when I backed up Valkyrie, but that's so rare that I hadn't put a lot of thought into it. Note: It would only work on a movie-only encode of Valkyrie, though.

I'll add it.

[turbojet]

Chefkoch_ico: Just a little update for original post.

These can be removed:
- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.
- Option to resize to 720p
- movie only mode with correct chapters

Jdobbs: As far as sizing is concerned. Wouldn't it be much simpler/accurate to use this workflow:
- 1 pass CRF everything but main movie
- get the sum of all extras+menus+other files that are copied from the BD
- calculate overhead of main movie (AC3/DTS/Sub overhead from RipBot264 is out there and very accurate)
- set video bitrate according to: <total size> - everything else

Detecting episodic BD's could be a little tricky but maybe if 2 or more streams are found to be of signifigant length treat all as main movie in this scenario, with a context menu option in the stream window of 1 pass CRF or 2-pass for all streams.

I'm asking this because I'd like to request to allow the set quality settings to be used with CRF extras. But depending on the eventual workflow that could be either adding in another extras encode option or changing non-quick extras.

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs: As far as sizing is concerned. Wouldn't it be much simpler/accurate to use this workflow:
- 1 pass CRF everything but main movie
- get the sum of all extras+menus+other files that are copied from the BD
- calculate overhead of main movie (AC3/DTS/Sub overhead from RipBot264 is out there and very accurate)
- set video bitrate according to: <total size> - everything else
Uhhh... That's pretty much exactly what happens now when you select "Quicker Encode for Extras".

[knife2006]

Just one question.
Some BDs have 1080p and 480p version of movie in one file. I don't know if it's possible to obtain just 1080p version and remove 480p version when bacuping to BD-r 25GB to movie and menu(not just movie mode)? thank you for your answer

[spida_singh]

It should work as long as your output size is greater than a DVD-9. I think I used 8,500 Mbytes as the trip point.

So if I want my movie only encodes to be 9150 Mbytes big, your program will still retain the hi def audio, or, will this also work in a full backup scenario? Just want to confirm so I know what I can do. (I know there will much degredation in movie quality using a full backup this size, but, I am not actually going to be doing this, I just want to know if this is how the options stand)

Thinking of purchasing a new PCH, when available, supposed to have BD ISO streaming......

many thanks for your reply

regards

[jdobbs]

So if I want my movie only encodes to be 9150 Mbytes big, your program will still retain the hi def audio, or, will this also work in a full backup scenario? Just want to confirm so I know what I can do. (I know there will much degredation in movie quality using a full backup this size, but, I am not actually going to be doing this, I just want to know if this is how the options stand)

Thinking of purchasing a new PCH, when available, supposed to have BD ISO streaming......

many thanks for your reply

regardsIt will try... but it will possibly give you an error saying "Audio/PGS Size error" because the HD audio combined with video might be too big for 9150MB.

[Sharc]

Uhhh... That's pretty much exactly what happens now when you select "Quicker Encode for Extras".
@turbojet
... and if you like you can set your preferred crf value under the [OPTIONS] section of bdrebuilder.ini as QUICK_CRF=

[turbojet]

Ya I use QUICKK_CRF quite often.

Anyhow if non-quick extras is still going to be 2 pass I'd like to request a 1 pass extras option that uses the same quality settings that are set for main movie.

I understand the reason to be quick but at such low bitrates like 1080p@1 mbps --ref > 1 can really help quality from what I've noticed.

Also a little cosmetic bug report: when doing crf encodes --stats and --pass don't have to be in the command line.

[colinhunt]

I noticed it too when I backed up Valkyrie, but that's so rare that I hadn't put a lot of thought into it. Note: It would only work on a movie-only encode of Valkyrie, though. I'll add it.
Expect a nice donation once this feature works. Thanks!

[Category 5]

Are you saying a movie only re-encode should leave the video untouched if it less than a BD25? I haven't figured this out yet then. I did a movie (can't remember which) that had a main movie that was 19.8GB, and BD Rebuilder re-encoded it it making it 20.3. It actually grew. I know you can manually keep the original by using tsmuxer gui and doing it on your own, but I was wondering why BD Rebuilder still chooses to re-encode. It would also be nice if we could choose to keep the original movie untouched, but use the remaining space for the extras to be re-encoded. If you were to drop HD audio and keep DD you could keep the main movie untouched and still have enough room for the extras to look good sometimes.

Also, I'm sure it's x264 that would have to do it, but how cool would CUDA support be? Get a couple of GTX260s in SLI mode for less than $300 and turn around a re-encode in a couple of hours. :-)

Just wishing.

Also - PLease give us an option to force a particluar subtitle stream so when there is a second sub track for foreign language dialogue it will play without having to manually enable it (like in Kill Bill during the Hitori Hanso scenes).

[turbojet]

Also, I'm sure it's x264 that would have to do it, but how cool would CUDA support be? Get a couple of GTX260s in SLI mode for less than $300 and turn around a re-encode in a couple of hours. :-)

Just wishing.

While CUDA sounds enticing it's not very useful for encoding when paired with a modern CPU. In it's current state the only thing that can be done is decoding. Latest CoreAVC can use cuda and run with BD-RB but it's often slower then software decoding depending on cpu and x264 settings. DG*NV are the same way. The only way I know of currently to gain speed during encoding is using avs2yuv+64 bit x264 build for ~10% speed increase.

[Category 5]

While CUDA sounds enticing it's not very useful for encoding when paired with a modern CPU. In it's current state the only thing that can be done is decoding. Latest CoreAVC can use cuda and run with BD-RB but it's often slower then software decoding depending on cpu and x264 settings. DG*NV are the same way. The only way I know of currently to gain speed during encoding is using avs2yuv+64 bit x264 build for ~10% speed increase.

I do run Vista 64. Where can I get the 64 bit x264 version and should I just replace the one in the folder with it? 10% is good enough to start! :)

[jdobbs]

I do run Vista 64. Where can I get the 64 bit x264 version and should I just replace the one in the folder with it? 10% is good enough to start! :)http://www.x264.nl

[turbojet]

I forgot to mention 64 bit x264 build won't work currently with BD-RB, it requires added support.

[tekmobile]

I know I don't do movie only encodes normally but on the rare occasion I do the one thing that annoys me is the looping.

How difficult would it be to make it just stop once it gets to the end instead of replaying again Im pretty sure no one is interested in the movie just looping over and over unless maybe someone creating say a store demo that is required to just play over and over.

Many thanks for your hard work its really apprechated

[laserfan]

I know I don't do movie only encodes normally but on the rare occasion I do the one thing that annoys me is the looping.Not a BD-RB issue but rather tsMuxeR so ask roman76r about it--I have complained to no effect.

You can use BDEdit to "Jump to Break" instead of "Jump to Title" which is what I do...

[jdobbs]

I should be able to turn the looping off. I'll at least check it out.

[ibanez]

DVD-RB will continue to progress... but I also want to look forward. Eventually Blu-ray will replace DVD the same way DVD replaced VHS -- and I want to be ahead of the power curve.

I understand the following suggestion is not a priority and may not be considered relevant to BD-RB.

Looking forward I can also see that along with Blu-ray replacing DVD, that many people may also choose to backup and play their Blu-ray media on Hdd and media player, rather than optical media in a Blu-ray player. It seems MKV is the most popular format for this.

I think it would be a good feature to enable a movie only backup to be written to an MKV file. BD-RB already does the hard part of choosing the audio/subtitle streams, extracting embedded AC3 or Core DTS audio tracks, and converting/shrinking the video with X264. The process of then muxing these into an MKV with mkvmerge is probably very similiar to the process of producing the Blu-ray/AVCHD with Tsmuxer (although I guess subtitles may be more difficult).

Personally I think BD-RB is a great application, and can handle the additional few hours in converting the BD-RB output to MKV with Eac3to and mkvmerge.

[Category 5]

I forgot to mention 64 bit x264 build won't work currently with BD-RB, it requires added support.

Bummer. :(

Well, still no re-encode for movie only copies that already fit on the destination media, and option to not re-encode main movie and squash extras into the remaining space of the full disc woul A-help us keep quality as high as possible and B-Svae tremendous amounts of time in cases where the movie will already fit (why re-encode for 12 hours if we don't need to?)

[wiggle]

An option to change (or remove) max bitrate
Able to strip extras in BD-Rebuilder itself (replace by dummies)

[jdobbs]

An option to change (or remove) max bitrate
Able to strip extras in BD-Rebuilder itself (replace by dummies) Allowing you to remove the max bitrate isn't going to happen. It will cause lots of issues because it makes it easy to violate the BD standard, without giving any detectable improvement in quality. All I'd get for that is 10,000 bug reports caused by self-inflicted injuries.

Anytime someone asks me to violate the BD standard, the answer will be "no" -- just like it was with DVD Rebuilder.

I'll eventually add an editor for removing extras, etc... but that's down the road a little way.

Sorry.

[turbojet]

Doesn't DVD-RB adjust max bitrate based on audio bitrates?

Maybe you could do something like that with BD-RB?

for example:
If size < 8500 MB: 25 mbps (safe DVD max) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate
If size > 8500 MB: 40 mbps (safe BD max?) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate

[ibanez]

Here's another feature request. Feel free to ignore :)

It would be good to be able to a movie-only backup of the individual episodes on an episodic Blu-ray.

The TV series I have done so far (LOST, HEROES) have seperate MPLS/M2TS files for each episode.

As they tend to take up the majority of a BD-50, a full backup to DVD-9 is not really an option. However if you had an option along with 'Full backup'/'Movie-only' of 'Episode-only' (with a text field to enter the amount of episodes on the disc) BD-RB could create a output directory for each episode that could then be burned to disc.

Given that the majority of episodes (with the core dts/embedded ac3 extracted) are around 6-8 GB each, backing these up individually to a BD-5 (with AC3 audio) would be a high quality and inexpensive option.

[Fishman0919]

An option to change (or remove) max bitrate
Able to strip extras in BD-Rebuilder itself (replace by dummies)

Doesn't DVD-RB adjust max bitrate based on audio bitrates?

Maybe you could do something like that with BD-RB?

for example:
If size < 8500 MB: 25 mbps (safe DVD max) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate
If size > 8500 MB: 40 mbps (safe BD max?) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate

For BluRay I use a Max bitrate of 18000 for all my encodings and Profile 4.0 (which allows a Max bitrate of 25000) to fit onto a DVD5 or DVD9 disc. Most of my encoding Max bitrate never make it higher then 12000 to 13000... some with a Max bitrate as low as in the 10000... a few spike up to 16000 sometimes on a DVD9 disc.

Why make an issue about something that really is not an issue. To paraphrase something someone said once...

"If you pi$$ in the Ocean, you will raise the water level... but would anyone be able to notice the difference?"

[wiggle]

Allowing you to remove the max bitrate isn't going to happen. It will cause lots of issues because it makes it easy to violate the BD standard, without giving any detectable improvement in quality. All I'd get for that is 10,000 bug reports caused by self-inflicted injuries.

Anytime someone asks me to violate the BD standard, the answer will be "no" -- just like it was with DVD Rebuilder.

I'll eventually add an editor for removing extras, etc... but that's down the road a little way.

Sorry.
Okay too bad about the first point. Undertand your point, thanks for considering my requests.

[turbojet]

For BluRay I use a Max bitrate of 18000 for all my encodings and Profile 4.0 (which allows a Max bitrate of 25000) to fit onto a DVD5 or DVD9 disc. Most of my encoding Max bitrate never make it higher then 12000 to 13000... some with a Max bitrate as low as in the 10000... a few spike up to 16000 sometimes on a DVD9 disc.

Why make an issue about something that really is not an issue. To paraphrase something someone said once...

"If you pi$$ in the Ocean, you will raise the water level... but would anyone be able to notice the difference?"

With 720p I agree with you that 17.5 mbps is plenty. But check out crowdrun (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a0977474231d0c7dd2db6fb9a8902bda) resized to 1080p @ 25 fps. CRF 22 with no vbv gives 16-18 mbps depending on settings. While this is a complicated scene there are realistically more complex scenes in your typical movie.

Anyhow the max bitrate issue usually comes up with BD25 target being < 20 GB and it'll continue to come up as long as people are using BD-RB to encode BD25 movie only and is the max bitrate stays at 25 mbps. DVD-RB tries to use the largest max bitrate why should BD-RB be any different?

I had some thoughts about resizing. It would require separating movie and extras and having menu options like this:
extras ->
- resize 1080 to 720
- resize 1080/720 to 480
- resize 1080/720 to 576 (is 720x576 a commonly used resolution?)

movie\episodes ->
- resize 1080 to 720
- resize 1080/720 to 480 (kinda takes away the point of HD?)
- resize 1080/720 to 480 (kinda takes away the point of HD?)
- auto-resize ->
-- <enter CRF here> default 26
what auto resize would do is run the CRF set on 5% of the movie using selectevery and if the bitrate is less than the crf gave it would keep it 1080p, if it was greater it would resize to 720p.

Also the encoding issue I have that long gop's would solve 100% could be minimized quite a bit if it was possible to use 1 pass CRF encode of extras at same quality settings as main movie. 2 pass would do it, but it's not very useful for me aiming at DVD5/9 as it reduces the main movie bitrate by at least 20% over CRF26 extras in the few encodes I've compared.

[jdobbs]

Doesn't DVD-RB adjust max bitrate based on audio bitrates?

Maybe you could do something like that with BD-RB?

for example:
If size < 8500 MB: 25 mbps (safe DVD max) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate
If size > 8500 MB: 40 mbps (safe BD max?) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate It adjusts its bitrate based upon audio bitrates and/or audio file size, but not "maximum bitrate". BD-RB does the same. I'm currently using 17.5Mbs for DVD and 35Mbs for BD.

I do have a parameter limiting the calculated bitrate (as does DVD-RB) -- that's where the 25Mbs come in for BD.

It's a little confusing I guess. But you have a min/max for the calculated bitrate and you have a maximum for VBR peaks (vbv_maxrate).

[colinhunt]

Made another donation a moment ago, in the hopes that it will spur jdobbs into implementing the feature which lets BD-RB skip unnecessary video encoding :)

[Kurtnoise]

I vote to have eac3to as audio tracks demuxer instead of tsmuxer coz it's much more robust regarding A/V gaps fixes or dialog normalization. I know it's a big feature and probably requires some rewritten code. But, you know, it's just a beta and before to jump in the wind...


and btw, any comment on my last request ? (much more easy I swear):
@jdobbs: could you add an option to delete (or not) the working folder at the end of the process ?
:thanks:

[jdobbs]

I vote to have eac3to as audio tracks demuxer instead of tsmuxer coz it's much more robust regarding A/V gaps fixes or dialog normalization. I know it's a big feature and probably requires some rewritten code. But, you know, it's just a beta and before to jump in the wind...


and btw, any comment on my last request ? (much more easy I swear): I'll add the working directory deletion it as a hidden option.

[Sharc]

What about an option "Shutdown after completion"?

[tekmobile]

I know its only cosmetic but any chance of reporting the ETA as reported by x264 in the GUI.

I currently have it set to show the x264 encoder for this reason only

[jdobbs]

Made another donation a moment ago, in the hopes that it will spur jdobbs into implementing the feature which lets BD-RB skip unnecessary video encoding :)Just so you know, I'm working on this now... and it is a major pain.

Deciding to keep a video stream because it is small enough already is straight-forward enough -- but then if it is a part of an MPLS that has other segments in it -- it still has to be encoded if any of the other component parts of the MPLS do. Of course, since I do them one at a time and for each component calculate individually how much audio/pgs space is needed, you never know at the point you are deciding whether to reencode whether any of the other components will be small enough.

Ughhh.

[colinhunt]

Just so you know, I'm working on this now... and it is a major pain.
I know it's difficult and I really truly honestly appreciate you working on it. It's the feature I'm most looking forward to... followed by the option of keeping HD and PCM tracks for DVD9 backups.

[GaPony]

HD Tracks can be enough to fill a DL DVD all by themselves...

[jdobbs]

I know it's difficult and I really truly honestly appreciate you working on it. It's the feature I'm most looking forward to... followed by the option of keeping HD and PCM tracks for DVD9 backups.That's not likely going to happen. As GaPony mentioned, some of the HD tracks would easily fill a DVD even without any video associated with it. That's the reason I had to add the AC3 encoding feature from the start.

[colinhunt]

That's not likely going to happen. As GaPony mentioned, some of the HD tracks would easily fill a DVD even without any video associated with it. That's the reason I had to add the AC3 encoding feature from the start.
I know, I know... believe me, I know! :)

It just happens that I have a store demonstration BD which is only 10GB and I'd love to squeeze it to a DVD9. But some of the demo clips contain 7.1 channel PCM audio which Aften refuses to digest, and the entire backup process stops there.

How about making "keep original audio for DVD9 backups" an optional, or hidden, feature? I know you hate implementing features which result in uninformed users making unnecessary bug reports, but surely BD-RB users in general are enlightened enough to recognize the rare situations when it's OK to enable that feature?

[GaPony]

I know, I know... believe me, I know! :)

It just happens that I have a store demonstration BD which is only 10GB and I'd love to squeeze it to a DVD9. But some of the demo clips contain 7.1 channel PCM audio which Aften refuses to digest, and the entire backup process stops there.

How about making "keep original audio for DVD9 backups" an optional, or hidden, feature? I know you hate implementing features which result in uninformed users making unnecessary bug reports, but surely BD-RB users in general are enlightened enough to recognize the rare situations when it's OK to enable that feature?

Not to sound smarmy, but sometimes its just easier for the user to spend $4.00 on a BD25 disc than it is for the author to spend 50 hours writing and debugging code. Truely enlightened users understand that no software can be all things to all situations. :)

[colinhunt]

Not to sound smarmy, but sometimes its just easier for the user to spend $4.00 on a BD25 disc than it is for the author to spend 50 hours writing and debugging code. Truely enlightened users understand that no software can be all things to all situations. :)
Firstly, BD25 discs cost a hell of a lot more than US$4.00 where I live. Secondly, imagine a situation where the data has to be duplicated on 150 discs. Would you rather pay for 150 BD25s or 150 DVD9s? Thirdly, I don't think this request falls under the "all things to all situations" moniker; BD-RB already has the ability of keeping original audio for BD25 backups so it's not like programming the whole thing from scratch again.

[sype]

What about an option "Shutdown after completion"?

This would be my first choice too. long encodes can end while im at work, and the pc is then burning electric for a few hours untill i get home.
Shutdown after completion would save me money, and save the planet.

[deank]

Firstly, BD25 discs cost a hell of a lot more than US$4.00 where I live. Secondly, imagine a situation where the data has to be duplicated on 150 discs. Would you rather pay for 150 BD25s or 150 DVD9s? Thirdly, I don't think this request falls under the "all things to all situations" moniker; BD-RB already has the ability of keeping original audio for BD25 backups so it's not like programming the whole thing from scratch again.

You're way out of line here... All: 1), 2) & 3) are just problems of yours :) and after such a post I'd not expect any real support for your 'imaginary'?! 150-discs-per-day/week factory, based on BD-RB.

"Thirdly, I don't think this request falls under the "all things to all situations" moniker.... so it's not like programming the whole thing from scratch...

Right... You're right about one thing for sure - you "don't think".

Dean

[GaPony]

Firstly, BD25 discs cost a hell of a lot more than US$4.00 where I live. Secondly, imagine a situation where the data has to be duplicated on 150 discs. Would you rather pay for 150 BD25s or 150 DVD9s? Thirdly, I don't think this request falls under the "all things to all situations" moniker; BD-RB already has the ability of keeping original audio for BD25 backups so it's not like programming the whole thing from scratch again.

I'm thinking jdobbs didn't envision BD-Rebuilder as a bootlegging tool. Unless you live in Disneyland or Wonderland you can get 25gb BD-R media for $4.00 each or less.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TDK-Blu-ray-Disc-20-Spindle-25GB-4X-BD-R-Printable_W0QQitemZ350207660755QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Blank_Media?hash=item518a00d2d3&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A30 - Worldwide shipping

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I'm not sure how you go from "The rare situation" to 150 discs. I'm sure you can do what you want with free tools readily available on the internet, but it requires you do it manually, a step at a time and maybe learn how to actually use the programs. You apparently want somebody else to do the dirty work so you can do it with one click.

I'm not sure what some people are expecting from free (so far) software.

Up to now, at least most of the requests have been thoughtful of the authors time.

[colinhunt]

You're way out of line here.
I think it's up to Jdobbs and not you to decide what feature requests are out of line.

after such a post I'd not expect any real support for your 'imaginary'?! 150-discs-per-day/week factory, based on BD-RB.
And not once did it cross your mind that someone might actually use BD-RB for completely legitimate and legal purposes? Oh no, perish the thought. Nice attitude you have there, deank.

Right... You're right about one thing for sure - you "don't think".
My, what a shiny mirror you have there.

[GaPony]

I think it's up to Jdobbs and not you to decide what feature requests are out of line.



It sounds like he's already decided...

That's not likely going to happen. As GaPony mentioned, some of the HD tracks would easily fill a DVD even without any video associated with it. That's the reason I had to add the AC3 encoding feature from the start.

Under your own logic, I would think the case was closed several posts back.

[colinhunt]

I'm thinking jdobbs didn't envision BD-Rebuilder as a bootlegging tool.
I have not for one second been talking about bootlegging or anything illegal. If you can't fathom such a situation... oh well.

Unless you live in Disneyland or Wonderland you can get 25gb BD-R media for $4.00 each or less.
I don't know where you live, but over here we have these things called shipping costs and import taxes -- and we pay import tax for the shipping costs, too.

I'm not sure how you go from "The rare situation" to 150 discs.
Because they are two different matters altogether. By "rare situation", I was referring to a case where the user can keep original HD audio when doing a DVD9 without degrading video quality noticeably. Yes, those are rare occasions, like I said. By "150 discs" I was referring to a non-profit project attempting to educate the public about the Blu-ray format.

I'm sure you can do what you want with free tools readily available on the internet, but it requires you do it manually, a step at a time and maybe learn how to actually use the programs. You apparently want somebody else to do the dirty work so you can do it with one click.
Isn't "one click" solution why BD-RB exists? I guess you don't use BD-RB at all then, preferring to doing things manually a step at a time. Right?

I'm not sure what some people are expecting from free (so far) software.
To see it evolve into something even more useful than it is currently?

Up to now, at least most of the requests have been thoughtful of the authors time.
It's completely up to Jdobbs to decide which feature requests have merit and which don't. He has the right to comment on said requests or ignore them completely. All feature requests are equal in that respect, and it's not up to you to make any decisions on Jdobbs' behalf.

[colinhunt]

It sounds like he's already decided...
It's totally his decision to make and I respect it. After all, we're making requests, not demands.

[tekmobile]

Any chance of using ImageSource in the AVS to blank unwanted extras a simple static image even at 1080p compresses to nothing

the example below will create a 90 min video of the image called blank.bmp at 1080p and will compress to well under 100MB you can state the required number of frames if you need to create a video that will match the original


ImageSource("blank.bmp", end = 129469, use_DevIL=true, fps=23.976)
ConvertToYV12()


I recently did this manually to strip the PiP feature from a movie that had the PIP workaround they used to use for early players where the disc contained 2 versions of the movie one with PIP hard encoded and one without

or somthing a little bit simpler


video = BlankClip(length=3000, width=720, height=480, fps=30000, fps_denominator=1001, color=$000000)
audio = BlankClip(video, audio_rate=48000, stereo=true)
AudioDub(video, audio)
Subtitle("Video Removed", size=42 ,align=5)
ConvertToYV12()


This will create blank audio/video to match and replace the original ideal for blanking unwanted extras

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I imagine that it's probably not top priority on your agenda, but I wonder if you have resumed working on 1-pass encoding (movie only, and perhaps for full disk backup also).
I have seen that the crf vs size prediction can be quite tricky, but I imagine that if one accepts target size accuracy of say >80% it should be doable. I am quite impressed of the crf quality - and speed of course.

[Category 5]

Just wanted to mention again (i think I already did but not sure) that it's be great to have a checkbox on the main screen next to the subtitle list that allowd you to check a particular subtitle as forced...good for movie only encodes where there is a full sub track disabled by default, but a mini sub track that should be defaulted to on just for forein language dialogue

[jdobbs]

Just wanted to mention again (i think I already did but not sure) that it's be great to have a checkbox on the main screen next to the subtitle list that allowd you to check a particular subtitle as forced...good for movie only encodes where there is a full sub track disabled by default, but a mini sub track that should be defaulted to on just for forein language dialogue You may be able to do that with movie-only -- but in full backups the settings of the original would have to stand, and would likely override it anyway.

[Aratar]

First off, I just *love* BD-Rebuilder. Saves so much time. I mostly use it to backup BD-50 to BD-25.

One feature I'd really like is to blank out certain extras and to choose what streams should be compressed and which ratio. For instance, some movies fit unedited by just stripping some audio streams and reencoding some extras. so what I do is I manually blank out some shitty extras (like trailers for other movies) using tsmuxer and then I blank out the movie temporarily and let bd-rebuilder work on a custom size extras only project (custom size is bd-25 size *minus* 'movie only with stripped audio streams')... then I take the reencoded extra stream/clip/playlists and copy them together with the stripped movie project and voilà: I get an unedited movie with some reencoded extras and some useless extras stripped. It would be great if bd rebuilder had an option to do something like that. It is technically capable of doing so already.

[DVD Maniac]

Sounds exactly what i'm after! While i'm waiting for this feature in BD Rebuilder I am resorting to Movie only projects. As with DVD, BD titles have the following "components" -

1. Copyright Warnings
2. Studio Logos
3. Trailers
4. Menu(s)
5. Movie
6. Extras

Ideally I like to create 2 types of backups -

Type 1 - Items 4 and 5 only (all Extras Removed)
Type 2 - Items 4 and 5 with some or all Extras Retained

With DVD you have the option of programs like vob Blanker or similar to achieve this, alas with BD we still don't seem to be there yet

I am trying to follow your procedure but i'm struggling with the following -

1. How exactly are you using TS muxer to blank the extras? Are you reinserting the created m2ts file back into the original file structure? In which case won't all the playlist files be wrong?

2. Same question for the blanked out movie step

3. The final setp does not make sense to me - surely you will have duplicate m2ts files in each "source" structure, in which case which one is retained?

[Aratar]

1. How exactly are you using TS muxer to blank the extras? Are you reinserting the created m2ts file back into the original file structure? In which case won't all the playlist files be wrong?

2. Same question for the blanked out movie step

3. The final setp does not make sense to me - surely you will have duplicate m2ts files in each "source" structure, in which case which one is retained?

1. First thing I do is, I use bdedit to find out which playlist corresponds to the stream I want to strip, then I load this playlist in tsmuxer, next thing I do is I use the 'cut' function in tsmuxer and set it to 1000ms or something and set output to "blu-ray", this usually produces a 20-50kb stream file with a corresponding clip/playlist file. Next thing I do is renaming playlist, clip and stream file to the original numbers and then edit the playlist file with a hexeditor like winhex (really simple: just replace 00000M2TS with 0000xM2TS). I think tsmuxer has options to renumber playlist and streams but I never tried it, so I know this method works fine. Then I use bdedit on the output directory to check that I edited everything OK. Next thing after backing up the original files, simply replace the playlist/clip/stream files with the ones from the edited tsmuxer output. I have tested this on PS3, PowerDVD as well as my Samsung BD-P1500 always same result: when I select the blanked out track, it simply jumps back to the menu, pretty much what I want it to. You can use bd rebuilder on a project with blanked out clips, it will simply copy them over as they are below the MIN_M2TS_SIZE value.

2-3. same procedure but with the main movie stream.

Say you have a BD50 with a 22gb movie stream (containing 5 languages, you only want to keep english) and 5gb of extras that you don't want to strip. In order to strip the languages you can also use bdrebuilder by deselecting the audio-streams on a movie only with FORCE_BLURAY=1 option or just full backup on a custom size like 50000mb project. It will remux the movie without reencoding. This is will probably result in a 20gb movie stream, leaving approx 2,5gb for extras. Now replace the movie with a blank stream and set custom size to 2500, run bd_rebuilder, it will now reencode extras only. add the stripped-down movie stream/clipfile/playlists.

You can image up the final project with imgburn and use latest PowerDVD9 + Virtual CloneDrive (most virtual drive tools like daemon tools don't work with PowerDVD9 or late PowerDVD8 builds, you'd have to use an older PowerDVD version that even allow to playback a BDMV folder from HDD but probably incompatible with newer blu-ray discs) to test or burn on BD-RE first.

[DVD Maniac]

OK. I think I understand the procedure for method 1. So my interpretation of this is that if I want to undertake either one of my "Type 1" or "Type 2" projects, all I do is imply follow this procedure which essentially creates an edited version of the original file structure, completely intact and functional in its own right which can be fed into BDRebuilder as the source much like Vob Blanker + DVD Rebuilder could work together - Right? In which case I don't need method 2 since I always want to retain the menu anyway and simply remove the annoying stuff which wastes space and only retain any extras worth keeping - Right Again?

[Aratar]

Right. If you blank out all or part of extras the way I explained it and then feed it to bd rebuilder, it will process it properly.

The thing I explained in the part below is only useful for the rare case that the movie would fit UNEDITED/NONREENCODED on a BD25 by stripping some languages and part of the extras though keeping some extras. As there is no option to define the compression ratio of a certain stream (in that case: 100% on movie, and 50% on extras), bd rebuilder would recompress both movie and extras even though it would not have been necessary.

[jdobbs]

What do you do if there are other MPLS files that reference one or more of the CLPI/M2TS files in the playlist? What if there are alternate component paths (e.g. based on language)? Also, how do you get around code that references streams or relies on the structure of the original MPLS? I guess I'm trying to say that simply replacing the original MPLS/CLPI/M2TS can be more complicated than it appears.

Unfortunately from my perspective, when bug reports are filed from folks who use these kinds of procedures -- the person reporting will invariably "forget" to mention the preprocessing because in his/her mind it has "nothing to do with the issue". Believe me -- I've been down this road before with DVD Rebuilder.

If it works for you, then more power to you -- but please -- anyone who uses this method, DO NOT post any bug reports related to anything you've altered. I have a limited amount of free time to spend on BD-RB and I don't want to waste any of it on snipe hunts.

No slight intended, I'm just trying to save myself some headaches. Eventually I'll add the editing capability to BD-RB. Thanks.

[Aratar]

What do you do if there are other MPLS files that reference one or more of the CLPI/M2TS files in the playlist? What if there are alternate component paths (e.g. based on language)? Also, how do you get around code that references streams or relies on the structure of the original MPLS? I guess I'm trying to say that simply replacing the original MPLS/CLPI/M2TS can be more complicated than it appears.

I'm aware of the fact that this method of stripping/blanking stuff doesn't work for any kind of material and must be tested on a case-by-case basis. But a lot of 'regular' extras are simply referenced just once in a single playlist and removing them this way works for both HDMV and most bd-j menu structures. Of course this is neither a bug or feature of BD Rebuilder, so sorry for being off-topic here. I was only replying to DVD Maniac because he asked me how I do it.

In my original post I just mentioned this because I'd like something like that as a future feature of bd rebuilder.

As for the language stripping part, that's already a feature built-in bd rebuilder and it works fine for almost all cases as bd rebuilder relinks stripped languages to an existing audio stream in the playlist (I love that btw!).


Unfortunately from my perspective, when bug reports are filed from folks who use these kinds of procedures -- the person reporting will invariably "forget" to mention the preprocessing because in his/her mind it has "nothing to do with the issue". Believe me -- I've been down this road before with DVD Rebuilder.


As I said, filing a bug report on material that has been altered/preprocessed would be naive, I wouldn't want to encourage people to do that, so apologies if my post could lead to such things. I can imagine that this can by very annoying.


If it works for you, then more power to you -- but please -- anyone who uses this method, DO NOT post any bug reports related to anything you've altered. I have a limited amount of free time to spend on BD-RB and I don't want to waste any of it on snipe hunts.


Again, I should have made clear that the way I alter things can't be done in every case and if things are overlooked or menu code referencing is too complex, etc. this will lead to unexpected results that have nothing to do with bd rb itself.


No slight intended, I'm just trying to save myself some headaches. Eventually I'll add the editing capability to BD-RB. Thanks.

Thanks for considering editing capabilities and again sorry for making it sound that the way I edited things is a solid way to alter all kind of material and sorry for being off-topic in my 2nd post.

[DVD Maniac]

@jdobbs,
History it seems is determined to repeat itself on you. I remember the same debates of old vizaviz Rebuilder.............. Promise not to be one of the ones pursuing you for damages along the lines of "I passed it through abcd....xyz first and now YOUR program just won't work! WTF! :):):)

[tekmobile]

What do you do if there are other MPLS files that reference one or more of the CLPI/M2TS files in the playlist? What if there are alternate component paths (e.g. based on language)? Also, how do you get around code that references streams or relies on the structure of the original MPLS? I guess I'm trying to say that simply replacing the original MPLS/CLPI/M2TS can be more complicated than it appears.

Unfortunately from my perspective, when bug reports are filed from folks who use these kinds of procedures -- the person reporting will invariably "forget" to mention the preprocessing because in his/her mind it has "nothing to do with the issue". Believe me -- I've been down this road before with DVD Rebuilder.

If it works for you, then more power to you -- but please -- anyone who uses this method, DO NOT post any bug reports related to anything you've altered. I have a limited amount of free time to spend on BD-RB and I don't want to waste any of it on snipe hunts.

No slight intended, I'm just trying to save myself some headaches. Eventually I'll add the editing capability to BD-RB. Thanks.

I had to write a batch script to do a full backup of a universal title the other day by making it overwrite all the extra's AVS files as soon as BD-RB created them and replace them with a blank image to get good compression because all the extra's were VC-1 1080i and as expected would fail allowing BD-RB to copy them intact left the movie with a bitrate of about 1.5Mbps which as expected looked horrific



:206
set avs=206
set frames=17700
ECHO video = BlankClip(length=%frames%, width=1920 , height=1080 , fps=30000, fps_denominator=1001, color=$000000) > %avs%.avs
ECHO audio = BlankClip(video, audio_rate=48000, stereo=true) >> %avs%.avs
ECHO AudioDub(video, audio) >> %avs%.avs
ECHO Subtitle("Video Removed", size=100 , align=5) >> %avs%.avs
ECHO ConvertToYV12() >> %avs%.avs

ECHO Monitoring for VID_00%avs%
:start%avs%
IF EXIST VID_00%avs%.AVS copy /y %avs%.avs VID_00%avs%.AVS
IF EXIST VID_00206.AVS goto end
goto start%avs%


Basicly I set the frames to match the original and told it as soon as it finds the matching AVS to overwrite it with one that the script created and then end which then loaded up the script to do the next AVS.

As far as BD-RB is aware it ReEncoded the original M2TS to AVC and corrected the playlist etc

The resulting M2TS is very small with a blank screen and simple informative text.

It would be nice if something similar to this could be incorporated where maybe you could double click on any vid file and it disables it and instead sends a simple AVS script like above to x264 instead while keeping the original audio but the same script can also be sent to aften to create a silent AC3 track too.

At first I tried to make each AVS seperatly but in the end found it much simpler to let the batch script create all the AVS files and modify each one with the variables specified as required.

It worked a treat and the movie ended up with a bitrate of just over 17Mbps using quick encode for extra's

[jdobbs]

I had to write a batch script to do a full backup of a universal title the other day by making it overwrite all the extra's AVS files as soon as BD-RB created them and replace them with a blank image to get good compression because all the extra's were VC-1 1080i and as expected would fail allowing BD-RB to copy them intact left the movie with a bitrate of about 1.5Mbps which as expected looked horrific



:206
set avs=206
set frames=17700
ECHO video = BlankClip(length=%frames%, width=1920 , height=1080 , fps=30000, fps_denominator=1001, color=$000000) > %avs%.avs
ECHO audio = BlankClip(video, audio_rate=48000, stereo=true) >> %avs%.avs
ECHO AudioDub(video, audio) >> %avs%.avs
ECHO Subtitle("Video Removed", size=100 , align=5) >> %avs%.avs
ECHO ConvertToYV12() >> %avs%.avs

ECHO Monitoring for VID_00%avs%
:start%avs%
IF EXIST VID_00%avs%.AVS copy /y %avs%.avs VID_00%avs%.AVS
IF EXIST VID_00206.AVS goto end
goto start%avs%


Basicly I set the frames to match the original and told it as soon as it finds the matching AVS to overwrite it with one that the script created and then end which then loaded up the script to do the next AVS.

As far as BD-RB is aware it ReEncoded the original M2TS to AVC and corrected the playlist etc

The resulting M2TS is very small with a blank screen and simple informative text.

It would be nice if something similar to this could be incorporated where maybe you could double click on any vid file and it disables it and instead sends a simple AVS script like above to x264 instead while keeping the original audio but the same script can also be sent to aften to create a silent AC3 track too.

At first I tried to make each AVS seperatly but in the end found it much simpler to let the batch script create all the AVS files and modify each one with the variables specified as required.

It worked a treat and the movie ended up with a bitrate of just over 17Mbps using quick encode for extra's I can pretty easily add that option to BD-RB -- it already has the capability to recognize those files and blank them (it does it automatically for BD-9/5.

[DaMacFunkin]

Any chance of BDRB being able to automatically remove small problem files from the encoding list, i left a job doing over the weekend and about 36 hours came back to it expecting it to be long finished and shut down and it had failed on a 0.4mb file that i had missed (Doh).

[tekmobile]

I can pretty easily add that option to BD-RB -- it already has the capability to recognize those files and blank them (it does it automatically for BD-9/5.

What about a hidden option or maybe a checkbox in the GUI settings

BLANK_FAILED=1

And maybe add a log entry
"Blanking Failed Encode VID_00465"


Where BD-RB just automaticly blanks any video stream that fails to encode rather than retrying a few times and stopping this would be especially useful for those pesky files with just one frame that always fail.

I just did Video Essentials HD Basic this is a very complicated disc with many files and there must have been 20 M2TS files that just contained 1 frame.

[jdobbs]

What about a hidden option or maybe a checkbox in the GUI settings

BLANK_FAILED=1

And maybe add a log entry
"Blanking Failed Encode VID_00465"


Where BD-RB just automaticly blanks any video stream that fails to encode rather than retrying a few times and stopping this would be especially useful for those pesky files with just one frame that always fail.

I just did Video Essentials HD Basic this is a very complicated disc with many files and there must have been 20 M2TS files that just contained 1 frame. It retrys 3 times... I've also added some new code in v0.25.05 that prevents most (if not all) of the "small source" encodes.

I'll but in both options.

[Aratar]

It retrys 3 times... I've also added some new code in v0.25.05 that prevents most (if not all) of the "small source" encodes.

I'll but in both options.

this has worked for me so far... I once had a x264.exe lockup, bd rebuilder simply retried on the 2/2 pass and it worked out fine.

[SquallMX]

Support for 1440 x 1080 resize (Good option for BD9 backups of long movies :devil:).

[Sharc]

Support for 1440 x 1080 resize (Good option for BD9 backups of long movies :devil:).
Yes, I second this. It would preserve a higher resolution of the original, however it will normally require anamorphic encoding (which is part of the blu-ray spec btw.).

[datman]

I don't know if it has been mentioned but if I could always shut down after rebuild that would be nice. I sometimes forget to set it.

[mikeathome]

Hello jdobbs,

I wonder if this has been requested before:

Deank (THANKS A LOT!!!) has just finished implementing HD DVD Rebuild in his wonderful multiAVC tool incl. an option to avoid re-encoding the video in case a compliant AVC (h264) is present.

I wonder if it would be possible to implement an option (or at least the opportunity change a .ini-file) to create a HD DVD compliant x264 stream. Profiles are available known to work with Toshiba A3 as Deank has implemented them in multiAVC already.

We would be able to streamline a BD Rebuild to HD DVD process, using tools like BD Rebuilder (to shrink and 'clean') + multiAVC (to build HD DVD structure), while avoiding the the need to re-encode in multiAVC, if BD RE Builder would be able to produce a HD DVD compliant video stream as well as an AC3 448kbps Audio stream.

That would be so wonderful!

mike

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

As (I believe) I've been the primary beta tester of the multi-format to HD-DVD aspect of "deank's" program alluded to by "mikeathome", I'd very strongly second the suggestion/request made in Post #182 of this thread.

Your thoughts, please?

[jefrey]

whats about an option, to add additional Sub or Audio Tracks?! woild it be possible?

[jdobbs]

I don't know if it has been mentioned but if I could always shut down after rebuild that would be nice. I sometimes forget to set it. It's already there -- look at the FILE menu.

[jdobbs]

Hello jdobbs,

I wonder if this has been requested before:

Deank (THANKS A LOT!!!) has just finished implementing HD DVD Rebuild in his wonderful multiAVC tool incl. an option to avoid re-encoding the video in case a compliant AVC (h264) is present.

I wonder if it would be possible to implement an option (or at least the opportunity change a .ini-file) to create a HD DVD compliant x264 stream. Profiles are available known to work with Toshiba A3 as Deank has implemented them in multiAVC already.

We would be able to streamline a BD Rebuild to HD DVD process, using tools like BD Rebuilder (to shrink and 'clean') + multiAVC (to build HD DVD structure), while avoiding the the need to re-encode in multiAVC, if BD RE Builder would be able to produce a HD DVD compliant video stream as well as an AC3 448kbps Audio stream.

That would be so wonderful!

mike@jdobbs

As (I believe) I've been the primary beta tester of the multi-format to HD-DVD aspect of "deank's" program alluded to by "mikeathome", I'd very strongly second the suggestion/request made in Post #182 of this thread.

Your thoughts, please?
I've been talking to DeanK about this in PMs. You should be able to do this through a previously unannounced (that's right... I keep secrets :) ) custom command line feature in BD-RB. DeanK has the details.

Now comes my worst nightmare. People will start creating custom command lines that are senseless garbage and will post bug reports telling me BD-RB sucks because they are too clueless to know it is a self inflicted injury. Of course they will "forget" to mention their custom command line. Sigh... that's why I've only told one user before now.

Just a warning -- if that happens the custom command line will go away in a hurry...

[Capsbackup]

It's already there -- look at the FILE menu.

I think he means one that stays selected even after BD-RB closes/shut downs, as in is "always on" unless deselected.

[jdobbs]

I think he means one that stays selected even after BD-RB closes/shut downs, as in is "always on" unless deselected. People get upset when you do that -- they forget that they set it and complain when their system shuts down (experience from DVD-RB). That's why I made it specifically have to be set for each run.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

I'd suggest you now delete the response you provided to "mikeathome" and me - to minimize unnecessary related activity...

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

I'd suggest you now delete the response you provided to "mikeathome" and me - to minimize unnecessary related activity... I assume you got the info?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbsI assume you got the info?I've saved your explanatory post - and soon make the appropriate request of "the party of the first part".

I'd like to personally thank you for your cooperation, as this particular topic is of significant personal interest to me (more so to several of my grandkids) ;>}

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Yes, I've now received the information. Again, thank you for your cooperation ;>}

I believe "deank" will be in touch with you, as the three line modification did not yield the desired result...

BTW - Is selecting the "One-pass [Experimental]" also a no-no regarding these circumstances?

[deank]

I believe "deank" will be in touch with you, as the three line modification did not yield the desired result...

I PM/emailed both of you about the 'resolution' and I think it was my mistake being too cautious with the --no-cabac option. Removing it makes things work (at least in my testing environment).

setarip_old will have the final word after all :)

Dean

[jefrey]

Is it possible to add the step by step feature? Also not an autmated process of the rebuilding; lie step 1 to 5(extract, encode, rebuild, burn?)??

that would be really cool

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

On behalf of both of us ("deank" and me), a great big, successful, timesaving "THANK YOU!" to you - now tucked away for safekeeping ;>}

[deank]

:thanks:

I'll allow myself to make my other suggestion public:

@jdobbs: I think it will be less dangerous if an INI parameter can tweak the HD-DVD output (instead of worrying if someone will play with the settings and later complain).

My suggestion would be to add an option, which will add the encoding-specific options I PM'd you few days ago. For example:

HDDVDCOMPLIANT=1

Allowing such option will make things easier for you and all the users who may decide to convert their Blu-ray discs to HD-DVD.

Dean

[jdobbs]

:thanks:

I'll allow myself to make my other suggestion public:

@jdobbs: I think it will be less dangerous if an INI parameter can tweak the HD-DVD output (instead of worrying if someone will play with the settings and later complain).

My suggestion would be to add an option, which will add the encoding-specific options I PM'd you few days ago. For example:

HDDVDCOMPLIANT=1

Allowing such option will make things easier for you and all the users who may decide to convert their Blu-ray discs to HD-DVD.

DeanI'm not usually a big fan of prolonging HD-DVD, because it's beating a dead horse. But I owe you... :)

I have a bug-fix version releasing later today that I'm currently testing so its too late for that one -- I'll add it to the next one.

[deank]

Thank you! Thank you.

I'm not going to ask for anything else :) Boyscout promise!

Dean

[GaPony]

He means...... Today. :)

@ jdobbs... I just wanted to thank you for the batch transactions. Its awsome! I just can't seem to find the setting to have the PC stick new blank media into the burner while I'm asleep. Any ideas on that or is it an ImgBurn shortcoming? :D

[jdobbs]

He means...... Today. :)

@ jdobbs... I just wanted to thank you for the batch transactions. Its awsome! I just can't seem to find the setting to have the PC stick new blank media into the burner while I'm asleep. Any ideas on that or is it an ImgBurn shortcoming? :D Maybe later, right after I get the "fetch me a beer from the fridge" routine ironed out.

[chudm]

what about we can select what to include or not on the bluray? :) i meant like if we dont want the extras, but still want the menu, or just want some of the extras? doesnt seems to hard to do right?

[jdobbs]

what about we can select what to include or not on the bluray? :) i meant like if we dont want the extras, but still want the menu, or just want some of the extras? doesnt seems to hard to do right? I'll eventually add an option to blank them. But you first have to be able to view them so you know what you're blanking. I've started working on that but have hit a couple of snags.

[chudm]

I'll eventually add an option to blank them. But you first have to be able to view them so you know what you're blanking. I've started working on that but have hit a couple of snags.

yeap i was thinking about that, cause sometimes are too many clips that it will be very annoying to check one by one to see what does it have each one!

[tekmobile]

I'll eventually add an option to blank them. But you first have to be able to view them so you know what you're blanking. I've started working on that but have hit a couple of snags.


What kind of snags

Are you planning on just having some program launch, write your own preview player or just embedding something like MPC.

[jdobbs]

What kind of snags

Are you planning on just having some program launch, write your own preview player or just embedding something like MPC. I was going to just embed it in BD-RB (like I do in DVD-RB) using the media libraries already included in Windows.

The snag? Well... the DLL keeps crashing when I call it.

[HWK]

Not sure if this is good idea or not but I have seen tsmuxer doesn’t use more than one cpu core at given time. However today cpu have two to four cores. If tsmuxer instance is launched multiple time we can give each one different stream to extract. Also this would help with rebuilding for final output since we can build more than one stream at same time.

[tekmobile]

Not sure if this is good idea or not but I have seen tsmuxer doesn’t use more than one cpu core at given time. However today cpu have two to four cores. If tsmuxer instance is launched multiple time we can give each one different stream to extract. Also this would help with rebuilding for final output since we can build more than one stream at same time.

You would still be limited by your disk's performance and with the increased seek times would actually slow down the process.

[cybercurves]

Any chance you could add a little audio sound when the conversion is complete? Not that big of a deal, but it's always nice to hear a beep or some type of sound when something is finished.

[jdobbs]

Any chance you could add a little audio sound when the conversion is complete? Not that big of a deal, but it's always nice to hear a beep or some type of sound when something is finished. Sure.

[Wolfe999]

Don't remember in which version you had a very nice feature: BD showed the approximate bitrate the conversion would have once finished. Then you took it off. Would it be much of a hassle to add it again? Or it's still there hidden and I haven't seen it? :)

Edit: corrected typo

[tekmobile]

Don't remember in which version you had a very nice feature: BD showed the approximate bitrate the conversion would have once finished. Then you took it off. Would it be much of a hassle to add it again? Or it's still there hidden and I haven't seen it? :)

Edit: corrected typo

Do you mean verbose status reporting under the settings tab this states the approx bitrate

[GaPony]

Any chance you could add a little audio sound when the conversion is complete? Not that big of a deal, but it's always nice to hear a beep or some type of sound when something is finished.

How about a user configurable setting. I'd like to have a loudazzed siren when its complete! :D

I'm sure some people would like a ding and still others, nothing. ;)

[Wolfe999]

Do you mean verbose status reporting under the settings tab this states the approx bitrate

It might be. Don't know why, I have it unticked now. I'll check it now.
Thank you, tekmobile :D

[shon3i]

Hello jdobbs, as i alredy ask you here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1319693#post1319693) about Level 4.0 comilance in BD Rebulder, i want to elaborate this. Since x264 can't fully produce Blu-Ray compilant stream at level 4.1, according original Blu-Ray specification, encoding only and only with level 4.1 require 4 or more slices. Level 4.0 is full blu-ray compilant only thing is different is that max bitrate drop from 40000 to 24000. Since both level 4 and 4.1 can have max buffer on 30000, which mean max 30mbps peak, quality won't drop by wide margin. You current buffer setting (25000) can hurt quality more than difference between level 4 and 4.1. Anyway x264 as very powerfull and quality at level 4 will be same. Finaly we find settings that are 100% compilant, i think is smarter for near future until x264 not make slices encoding.

I suggest you to add some hidden option and use 100% blu-ray compilant settings in this mode such as
Level 4
vbvmaxrate 24000
vbvbuffersize 30000
bframes=3
refs=4
no bpyramid
no mixedrefs
aud, nalhrd

strems generated with 100% compilant settings will be more usefull for authoring programs such sonic scenarist and others. Buffer 30000 are good for DVD media aslo there is no reason to change it because is compilant to BD 5/9 unless use strict AVCHD specs.

Thanks.

[Dark Shikari]

no mixedrefsIf you have no idea what you're talking about, please don't post.

[jdobbs]

@shon3i

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I'd ask that you at least look at my BD-RB command lines before trying to correct them. The only downside to using Level 4.1 is the slice requirement -- and there is no known player that enforces that, so I made a decision to stick with it for the extra bitrate. I probably will decide to encode at Level 4.0 just so I can claim complete compliancy, but as of today it is a "much ado over nothing" argument that I've seen get much more attention than it's worth (IMHO).

I'd also add just for clarification that:

- Level 4.0 has a maximum rate of 25000 in High Profile (which is what BD uses), not 24000

- Level 4.1 has a maximum rate of 62500 in High Profile, the 40000 is a limitation of Blu-Ray, not the level

- The refs 4 is driven by resolution. And is only applicable to 1080p, 720p and below can be 5

I would also add that there are other requirements for Blu-ray, such as keeping the GOP length (keyframe spacing) under 1 second (which by the way is one I've seen violated the most in other suggested settings). You also have to severely lower the maximum bitrate when writing to AVCHD or BD-5/9, because the spin speed of a DVD won't handle 25000.

[shon3i]

- Level 4.0 has a maximum rate of 25000 in High Profile (which is what BD uses), not 24000

- The refs 4 is driven by resolution. And is only applicable to 1080p, 720p and below can be 5Sorry no, from ORIGINAL Blu-ray specs, document says

Maximum number of frames or complementary field pairs which are stored in DPB is restricted in
addition to ITU-T H.264 | ISO/IEC 14496-10.
�� In case of level 4.1 and 4
�� For 1920x1080: 4 (as defined in ITU-T H.264 | ISO/IEC 14496-10[11].)
�� For 1440x1080: 4
�� For 1280x720: 6
�� For 720x480 or 720x576: 6
�� In case of level 3.2 and 3.1
�� For 720x480 or 720x576: 6
�� In case of level 3
�� For 720x480:6
�� For 720x576: 5
• In case of level 4 and level 4.1, the size of CPB shall be less than or equal to 30000 [1000bits].

From bitrate table
40*1000 for level 4.1,
24*1000 for level 4

[jdobbs]

Sorry no, from ORIGINAL Blu-ray specs, document says I stand corrected on the 24000, I didn't realize the BD spec was different from the H.264 HiP/Level 4.0 spec (which is 25000). But, of course, I'm not using it as of right now so it really doesn't matter.

As for the other one, it pretty much substantiates exactly what I said.

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

I set my PC mostly to standby when I am not using it.

Imgburn has a nice option where one can set the Shutdown action to for example: Shutdown, Standby, Hibernate, Restart.

Would be nice to see such an option in BD-RB.

I mentioned already in the bug thread, but its more of a feature wish:
a (hidden) option to not overwrite the VID_?????.avs files, if they already exist, would also be nice.

Bye

[Dark Shikari]

@shon3i

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I'd ask that you at least look at my BD-RB command lines before trying to correct them. The only downside to using Level 4.1 is the slice requirement -- and there is no known player that enforces that, so I made a decision to stick with it for the extra bitrate.x264 supports slices, so might as well add them in now ;)

[jdobbs]

x264 supports slices, so might as well add them in now ;) Cool. :thanks:

[Capsbackup]

Would it be possible to include an elapsed time/running time along with ETA, similar to the frames encoded/total frames displayed?
This would be helpful trying to determine an estimate of the time it takes to reencode a certain size .m2ts, and projecting that to the remaining .m2ts files to reencode. Full movie backups and multi .m2ts movie only backups would be examples of where this could provide a useful estimate.

[Sharc]

@Capsbackup
You can get some additional status info by including in the [Options] section of the .ini SHOW_ENCODER=1

[DVD Maniac]

jdobbs,
On a recent update I noticed the following in the changes file -

"August 1st, 2009 - v0.26.01
- Added MKVMERGE.EXE and supporting code within
BD-RB to support reencoding of field-based sources
now no sources will be blanked automatically. My
thanks to apophis906 for pointing me in the right
direction."

Could you please clarify what this means, i'm assuming we are still a way off for title blanking as per DVD-RB function. For me this feature is much awaited and will allow custom backups, I just do movie only at the moment as a compromise but i'd like to keep the menu's, chapter searching and occasionally the odd feature. :)

[jdobbs]

I'll put it in eventually. The change you referenced was related to certain sources that would "die" each time you tried to encode them -- so there was no choice but to blank them. The thought was that the existing codecs couldn't handle them.

Then apophis906 posted that he was experimenting and found that if you converted them to MKV first they would successfully reencode. So I added MKVMERGE to the TOOLS folder fulfill that role.

Blanking is actually pretty easy to do, and I'll likely add it pretty soon. First, though, I have to implement some sort of playback function so you can know what you're about to blank without using some third party software.

[DVD Maniac]

I'll put it in eventually. The change you referenced was related to certain sources that would "die" each time you tried to encode them -- so there was no choice but to blank them. The thought was that the existing codecs couldn't handle them.

Then apophis906 posted that he was experimenting and found that if you converted them to MKV first they would successfully reencode. So I added MKVMERGE to the TOOLS folder fulfill that role.

Blanking is actually pretty easy to do, and I'll likely add it pretty soon. First, though, I have to implement some sort of playback function so you can know what you're about to blank without using some third party software.

Cool :) The Playback feature would be very useful but if there is an option to implement blanking without this feature more quickly i'm happy to locate them myself - easy enough job with TS Muxer etc :D

[Capsbackup]

@Capsbackup
You can get some additional status info by including in the [Options] section of the .ini SHOW_ENCODER=1

Thanks Sharc. I just thought it would be cleaner if it was just a part of BD-RB, and less obtrusive.

[Chefkoch_ico]

a (hidden) option to not overwrite the VID_?????.avs files, if they already exist, would also be nice.


jdobbs, am I on your ignore list? It seems I never get any reply from you, wheter I report a bug or a feature wish.

Dont get me wrong its of course your decission to answer or not. I even wrote you, theres no need to comment this, if you are not interested.

However, somehow I thought I would get at least a reply, since I have donated more than maybe 99% of all the BD-RB users (not donaters).

Best regards

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, am I on your ignore list? It seems I never get any reply from you, wheter I report a bug or a feature wish.

Dont get me wrong its of course your decission to answer or not. I even wrote you, theres no need to comment this, if you are not interested.

However, somehow I thought I would get at least a reply, since I have donated more than maybe 99% of all the BD-RB users (not donaters).

Best regards I don't have an ignore list. So, of course not. But you have to give me a break... I'm working on a lot of things at once. I prioritize based upon the seriousness of an issue at hand, and right now I'm concentrating on what seems to be some ugly issues with interlacing.

[Chefkoch_ico]

I don't have an ignore list. So, of course not. But you have to give me a break... I'm working on a lot of things at once. I prioritize based upon the seriousness of an issue at hand, and right now I'm concentrating on what seems to be some ugly issues with interlacing.

Thanks for the reply. My apologies. Good luck with the interlaced issues.

[MILLZY]

Option to output straight to ISO and not burn.

Thanks:thanks:

[GaPony]

BD-Rebuilder already doesn't burn... It can link to ImgBurn to burn to disc, but you can use ImgBurn to make your .iso if you want.

[jdobbs]

Option to output straight to ISO and not burn.

Thanks:thanks: I can put that as another option easy enough.

[MILLZY]

I can put that as another option easy enough.

Thanks.....

[GaPony]

That's not to say he will... :D

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
Have you ever thought of (or tried) anamorphic encoding for BD backups -- in addition to the 720p?
At a first glance it seems to be easy (?) and blu-ray specs compliant:
- Resize to 1440 x 1080 (instead of 1280 x 720)
- Add --sar 4:3 to the x.264 command line (instead of --sar 1:1)
I mention it because it would be a compromize between full HD backup and resizing to 720p, e.g. for backups on BD9.
Would it make sense? Or does it have many more implications and risks?

[stenews]

Hi jdobbs,
is it possible to resume a BD encoding task?
I mean, because of it takes so long time to complete a full encode, I'll be more than thank to you if you could build a new feature that gives us the capability to stop the process and restart it from where we leave.
I hope I state clearly my idea... :p

Bye,
Stefano.

[Sharc]

@stenews
Resuming from where it left is available since long. :rolleyes:
Try it yourself: Push the Abort button and then restart BD-RB. You will be asked if you want to resume the job or overwrite / clear the workfolders.

[stenews]

@Sharc
oh...gosh! I didn't know that :o
I'll give a try...but could you tell me if it works even after a full PC shot down?

Thanks,
Stefano

[jdobbs]

@Sharc
oh...gosh! I didn't know that :o
I'll give a try...but could you tell me if it works even after a full PC shot down?

Thanks,
StefanoYes, but... it will resume at the nearest clean stop point. For example if you were in the middle of a second pass of a segment at the time you aborted, it would restart at the beginning of that pass.

The reason I mention that is that sometimes a pass might take four hours -- so stopping/resuming at the halfway point would add two extra hours to the overall time.

[stenews]

@jdobbs
thanks for answering me:)
and so the best thing to do is always to stop it at the end of one encoded segment. isn't it?

P.S.
same thing when I use DVD-RB...right?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
thanks for answering me:)
and so the best thing to do is always to stop it at the end of one encoded segment. isn't it?

P.S.
same thing when I use DVD-RB...right? Exactly -- except the segments in DVD-RB are typically much shorter. The best time to stop is right after the end of either of the two passes (assuming two pass is selected).

[stenews]

Thanks a lot jdobbs, I appreciate that.
You're doing a really great job with those applications!

Bye,
Stefano.

[Sn8kbordin]

Ability to select different path for work files and final output.
This way the rebuild process will be sped up if its on 2 different drives.

Thanks jdobbs for your great work.

[turbojet]

From my experiences CRF saves bitrate for the main movie while retaining a certain level of quality and it also saves some time but the current quick CRF uses settings aren't so good for keeping quality. Any chance of having separate CRF quality options?

Also setting quick CRF results in much larger under/over sizing, usually 500-1500 MB for BD5/9 outputs. 2 pass on everything is usually within 200 MB in the latest versions for me. Can the CRF sizing be looked at?

Also would like to resize the extras to 480 or 720 but keep the main movie at 1080p with an option to set M2TS to not resize by right click. Another thing could be an auto-resize option which would encode the extras and then encode 3% or so (using selectevery) of the main movie at CRF 26 (adjustable in ini). If the bitrate is equal to or less than the bitrate calculated from the remaining space it would keep it at 1080p, if the bitrate is more then it resizes to 720p.

[Dark Shikari]

Why not do this, jdobbs?

1) use --pass 1 --slow-firstpass on the CRF pass
2) If it oversizes, run a second pass.
3) If not, you're done...

[jdobbs]

From my experiences CRF saves bitrate for the main movie while retaining a certain level of quality and it also saves some time but the current quick CRF uses settings aren't so good for keeping quality. Any chance of having separate CRF quality options?

Also setting quick CRF results in much larger under/over sizing, usually 500-1500 MB for BD5/9 outputs. 2 pass on everything is usually within 200 MB in the latest versions for me. Can the CRF sizing be looked at?

Also would like to resize the extras to 480 or 720 but keep the main movie at 1080p with an option to set M2TS to not resize by right click. Another thing could be an auto-resize option which would encode the extras and then encode 3% or so (using selectevery) of the main movie at CRF 26 (adjustable in ini). If the bitrate is equal to or less than the bitrate calculated from the remaining space it would keep it at 1080p, if the bitrate is more then it resizes to 720p.I'll add a hidden option to allow you to set the CRF value for the "quick" encodes. I'll look at the extra resizing and auto-size...

[jdobbs]

Why not do this, jdobbs?

1) use --pass 1 --slow-firstpass on the CRF pass
2) If it oversizes, run a second pass.
3) If not, you're done...Actually I'd planned to implement this on the one-pass CRF mode. It does a CRF size prediction followed by "--slow-firstpass" encode right now (so I can get the stats). The idea was to use the stats for a second pass in the event of an oversize -- but I hadn't gotten around to implementing yet.

[turbojet]

I'll add a hidden option to allow you to set the CRF value for the "quick" encodes. I'll look at the extra resizing and auto-size...

Do you mean QUICK_CRF? That worked last time I tried it but --preset ultrafast takes away a lot of the advantages of CRF especially when aiming for BD5/9. I'd be content with CRF using the same x264 settings from the quality settings option. Maybe better would be a separate good/better/high/highest quality setting for CRF.

Thanks for looking at the resizing, I'd really make use of resizing the extras to 720/480, most don't have the definition you'd except from HD, to make for a higher quality movie.

[Sharc]

..... I'd be content with CRF using the same x264 settings from the quality settings option.
I second this.

Btw I did some tests with resizing the main movie anamorphic to 1440x1080; --sar 4:3 as a 'compromize resolution' for BD5/9. Worked pretty well, including subtitles.

[jdobbs]

Do you mean QUICK_CRF? That worked last time I tried it but --preset ultrafast takes away a lot of the advantages of CRF especially when aiming for BD5/9. I'd be content with CRF using the same x264 settings from the quality settings option. Maybe better would be a separate good/better/high/highest quality setting for CRF.

Thanks for looking at the resizing, I'd really make use of resizing the extras to 720/480, most don't have the definition you'd except from HD, to make for a higher quality movie.If you use the One-Pass CRF it does use the settings of the Quality selections.

The problem is that if I use the same settings for QUICK_CRF, it suddenly isn't "QUICK" anymore. What do you lose in ultrafast that is directly related to CRF?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Is there a specific reason that you've not implemented "drag & drop" of the source folder and the work folder?

[turbojet]

If you use the One-Pass CRF it does use the settings of the Quality selections.

But I mean extras at CRF which gains me 1000-2000 kbps for the main movie usually using CRF 24 for the extras.

The problem is that if I use the same settings for QUICK_CRF, it suddenly isn't "QUICK" anymore. What do you lose in ultrafast that is directly related to CRF?

Better quality and lower file size. I don't mind the speed drop as it would still save a lot of time over 2 pass and it saves a nice amount of bitrate for the movie and I know what kind of quality it's going to be. 2 pass extras sometimes creates a saturated video stream to me (CRF <20) and occasionally results in some pretty bad looking video (CRF >28) because of how it's distributing the bitrate between the m2ts's. CRF solves this issue.

Another thing I thought of is extending the auto-resizing option with a suggestion for resize and file output size. For example:
- Set DVD5 output, no resize
- Encode all extras at CRF
- Sample ~3% of the movie at 1080p with CRF, compare to available bitrate, if it's below continue with the encode
- If CRF bitrate is above do CRF sample at 720p, if below pop up a box stating 'After analysis suggest to resize to 720p (default) or encode at 1080p'
- If CRF bitrate of 720p DVD5 is above, calculate bitrate for 1080p DVD9, sample and if below suggest between '1080p DVD9 (default), 720p DVD5, 1080p DVD5'
- If CRF bitrate of 1080p DVD9 is above, sample at 720p DVD9, if below suggest '720p DVD9 (default), 1080p DVD9, 720p DVD5, 1080p DVD9'
- if CRF bitrate of 720p DVD9 is above, suggest using 1080p BD25

Enabled by 2 options, auto resize and auto file output. Also have an option to decide which sets the default without user interaction. ini setting of AUTO_CRF or something with default at 26.

It would make the decision a lot easier and better for both novice and experienced users when aiming for DVD5/9.

[Sharc]

In my experience higher resolutions tolerate higher CRF values for same visual quality regarding encoding artefacts. How to account for this with auto-resize?

[turbojet]

True, what do you think of 720p CRF + 2 = 1080p CRF?
eg: 720p CRF 24 = 1080p CRF 26

Instead of crf samples a much better decision might be made from the rate factor of a full first pass. But that might have some disadvantages when resizing for second pass with the I/P/B changing. I've used 1080p stats files for 720p and vice versa a few times and it's always been within 10 kbps of the target bitrate with nothing noticeably wrong with the video. But maybe there's something technically bad by doing it.

Maybe the popups to resize are a bit much, and when auto resize and/or auto filesize is enabled it decides by itself but never exceeds DVD9 output.

[Sharc]

Well, personally I like to keep control over the resizing, rather than leaving it to some automatism. But that's just my opinion.
I would however be positive about the possibility to select the resizing for Extras and Feature independently (similar to DVD-RB).

[jdobbs]

Well, personally I like to keep control over the resizing, rather than leaving it to some automatism. But that's just my opinion.
I would however be positive about the possibility to select the resizing for Extras and Feature independently (similar to DVD-RB). That'll happen, but its probably quite a way down the road.

I added a new hidden option for the next version:

QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1

This will use the selected quality option for quick encodes, but the only speed advantage you'll see is the elimination of the a pass (assuming two-pass mode). If you are using "One-Pass CRF" mode, the only advantage you'd see is elimination of the prediction passes.

Also, just a reminder to anyone reading this:

QUICK_CRF=n

will set the quality level of QUICK encodes to the CRF value you set in "n". So between the two you should have complete control over the quality of the "Quick Extras".

[Capsbackup]

IMHO, I am all for "tweaking", but I have found the default settings are hard to improve upon. I have to say I like the method of rate control of DVD-RB, simple slider/percentage style.
I understand the need/desire to satisfy the "technically advanced tweakers" out there, :p , but I like the simple approach as well. Hidden settings may work just fine for some, but I think the majority of users will benefit much more from simpler gui adjustments.:)

[Sharc]

I added a new hidden option for the next version:

QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1

This will use the selected quality option for quick encodes, but the only speed advantage you'll see is the elimination of the a pass (assuming two-pass mode).
Nice option, thanks. The speed advantage will still be there in particular for larger Extras.
If you are using "One-Pass CRF" mode, the only advantage you'd see is elimination of the prediction passes.
Not sure if I understand 'elimination' correctly.. Don't we need a CRF prediction pass always for 'One Pass (CRF) encoding' and '"Quicker" encode for Extras' -- even for the Extras? Or are the Extras encoded at a fix (default) CRF?

Added:
I guess I found the answer: For 'One Pass encoding' AND 'Quicker Encode for Extras', the Extras are encoded at a fix CRF depending on Target Size or on the QUICK_CRF=n setting in the config file.

[jdobbs]

Exactly. In QUICK encoding a fixed CRF is used, and the output size of the non-extras are adjusted appropriately (larger or smaller -- normally larger, but it's up-in-the-air when you select something with QUICK_CRF) depending upon how much space is actually used by the combination of all the QUICK encodes.

[chudm]

would it be too much, if we have an option, to add an extra sub or audio? i had my cars bluray and dvd, but the bluray doesnt have the spanish audio :(, and wanted to add the audio from the dvd to the bluray, cause my little sisters doesnt understand english so much....

btw jdobbs how could this be done without bd rebuilder? with tsmuxer, but what about chapters and all that, do i lose it? thx!

[turbojet]

How about a Pause/Resume function?

2 command line programs that can bring this functionality are process (http://www.beyondlogic.org/solutions/processutil/processutil.htm) and PsSuspend (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897540.aspx)

[deank]

Thanks, turbojet, for the hint! This 'process' cli is quite nice and I added it to multiAVCHD.

[Groucho2004]

How about a Pause/Resume function?

2 command line programs that can bring this functionality are process (http://www.beyondlogic.org/solutions/processutil/processutil.htm) and PsSuspend (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897540.aspx)

Oh dear. That's like using an axe to trim your fingernails.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

If the "Process" function is added, you may have many users getting "notifications" from McAfee (and possibly other antivirus programs) that it may be viral. This presently happens (for this exact reason) when one installs "AVCHDCoder" that uses the "Process" function to allow pausing...

[turbojet]

Thanks, turbojet, for the hint! This 'process' cli is quite nice and I added it to multiAVCHD.

Your welcome :)

@jdobbs

If the "Process" function is added, you may have many users getting "notifications" from McAfee (and possibly other antivirus programs) that it may be viral. This presently happens (for this exact reason) when one installs "AVCHDCoder" that uses the "Process" function to allow pausing...

I see what you mean, according to virustotal 5 other av's don't like process.exe either (http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/5aaf73ef89f0efab963abb170bc9b7cd7d4d5bd7a691cd83137b4cc39cd120de-1255618451)

PsSuspend comes out clean (http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/e47fade3db7bd4b30e8e7f7372694d2f3764d56d069e2a65e9e4f147396f26ca-1255595931)

Depending on which language it's written in there might be a pause/resume function built in. I see c/c++ has a few days of doing this.

[Sharc]

What about a Hidden Option for merging all segments of a segmented movie into one big .m2ts for 'Movie only' before encoding?
This would encode the movie with one and the same CRF in 1-pass crf mode, for example. Presently every segment is individually predicted and gets its own final CRF, which I would assume has no real quality benfit but takes more time and is probably more risky for meeting the target size. Am I wrong here?

[jdobbs]

How about a Pause/Resume function?

2 command line programs that can bring this functionality are process (http://www.beyondlogic.org/solutions/processutil/processutil.htm) and PsSuspend (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897540.aspx) I see what you mean, according to virustotal 5 other av's don't like process.exe either (http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/5aaf73ef89f0efab963abb170bc9b7cd7d4d5bd7a691cd83137b4cc39cd120de-1255618451)It's pretty easy to do it yourself anyway... you don't really need an external program. The only thing you have to worrry about most of the time is a commercial program -- because pausing it makes your program look like a debugger -- and that kicks off alarms in most of the protection schemes.

[Sharc]

What about a Hidden Option for merging all segments of a segmented movie into one big .m2ts for 'Movie only' before encoding?
This would encode the movie with one and the same CRF in 1-pass crf mode, for example. Presently every segment is individually predicted and gets its own final CRF, which I would assume has no real quality benfit but takes more time and is probably more risky for meeting the target size. Am I wrong?
@jdobbs
I encoded a title with more than 30 segments in 1-pass crf movie only mode. Every segment was individually crf-predicted, and the crf swing between segments was significant, ranging from 14.75 to 23.28.
Wouldn't the video quality be more consistent if one would merge the segments before encoding an encode the entire video with the same crf?
Any thoughts?

[setarip_old]

@Sharc

To determine if your suggestion is viable, you can easily experiment on your own:

1) Use "MakeMKV" (presently freeware - NO other software required for ripping) to rip a BluRay disc. "MakeMKV" will AUTOMATICALLY generate a single .MKV file of the movie only (as well as separate, individual .MKVs of other material on the original BluRay disc)

2) Load the "movie-only" .MKV into "tsMuxeR" and save as "BluRay"

3) Load the created BluRay "package" into BD-RB, select "movie-only" and proceed as usual - and see if the results support your speculation

[Sharc]

@Sharc

To determine if your suggestion is viable, you can easily experiment on your own:

1) Use "MakeMKV" (presently freeware - NO other software required for ripping) to rip a BluRay disc. "MakeMKV" will AUTOMATICALLY generate a single .MKV file of the movie only (as well as separate, individual .MKVs of other material on the original BluRay disc)

2) Load the "movie-only" .MKV into "tsMuxeR" and save as "BluRay"

3) Load the created BluRay "package" into BD-RB, select "movie-only" and proceed as usual - and see if the results support your speculation
I already did similar by merging the files with Clown_BD.
Result is that the target file size using 1-pass with predicted single crf=18.09 is better met (95%@crf=18.09) compared to the segmented standard approach (88%@crf=14.75 ....23.82). Visual quality is fine for both cases -- I didn't make a detailed analysis though.
While my suggestion seems to be viable and advantageous for movie-only encodes it may not be doable for a full backup when some segments are common for the theatre and for the extended version, and some segments are different. Means the original segmentation must be preserved in such case.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
I encoded a title with more than 30 segments in 1-pass crf movie only mode. Every segment was individually crf-predicted, and the crf swing between segments was significant, ranging from 14.75 to 23.28.
Wouldn't the video quality be more consistent if one would merge the segments before encoding an encode the entire video with the same crf?
Any thoughts? If they were all encoded together you'd probably also see similar swings. The reduction is consistent between the segments (in size), so the qp swings accordingly. It's probably more a function of the complexity of each segment.

[Sharc]

If they were all encoded together you'd probably also see similar swings. The reduction is consistent between the segments (in size), so the qp swings accordingly. It's probably more a function of the complexity of each segment.
Just guessing: Could it be that the studios allocate 'unusual' high bitrates to low complexity (dark, flat, fading) scenes in order to minimize banding or similar? These segments would then result in 'unusual' low crf values for re-encoding, compared to 'normal' scenes.

[colinhunt]

I've got a question which could be seen as a feature request as well.

I did a Full backup last night of Office Space (region A) and while the process went though fine, I noticed there are numerous occasions where video displays massive quantities of block noise not found in the original. My plan is to re-encode the video stream with MeGUI, then replace the .mkv file in BD-RB's WORKFILES directory and have BD-RB rebuild the whole thing.

But how do I tell BD-RB to skip all the previous phases and go directly to Rebuilding phase, using the files in WORKFILES?

As a feature request: a separate "Rebuild from Workfiles" selection in one of the menus would be cool.

[Capsbackup]

But how do I tell BD-RB to skip all the previous phases and go directly to Rebuilding phase, using the files in WORKFILES?


Just replace the file you want in the Workfile folder with your new creation, rename it to match the one you remove. If you need it to be .264 or .mkv, reencode with that setting in MEGUI, either RAWAVC or .MKV.
Just make sure you don't delete the Workfile folder after rebuild, and if your not satisfied with BD-RB's backup, try the above suggestion. :)

[colinhunt]

Just replace the file you want in the Workfile folder with your new creation, rename it to match the one you remove. If you need it to be .264 or .mkv, reencode with that setting in MEGUI, either RAWAVC or .MKV.
Yeah, that's what I was doing, but my question was how to force BD-RB do only the rebuild phase? Will BD-RB notice automatically that the workfiles still exist and skips all the demuxing & encoding phases?

[setarip_old]

@colinhunt

Hi!

Click on the following link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1329393&postcount=240

[Capsbackup]

Yeah, that's what I was doing, but my question was how to force BD-RB do only the rebuild phase? Will BD-RB notice automatically that the workfiles still exist and skips all the demuxing & encoding phases?

Yes, if BD-RB has finished reencoding all files, it will not reencode them again. This is why it would benefit you to not select Delete Workfile Folder after rebuild. You would first need to complete a successful project, letting it rebuild and checking the results. Then, if you are not satisfied, you can rename and replace a file and do another rebuild.
Note, your initial settings can NOT change. So make sure you select/deselect all appropriate audio and subs that you had for your first initial backup. If you get the message The Folder is not empty, delete all files?, you did not set it up properly.

[jdobbs]

I've got a question which could be seen as a feature request as well.

I did a Full backup last night of Office Space (region A) and while the process went though fine, I noticed there are numerous occasions where video displays massive quantities of block noise not found in the original. My plan is to re-encode the video stream with MeGUI, then replace the .mkv file in BD-RB's WORKFILES directory and have BD-RB rebuild the whole thing.

But how do I tell BD-RB to skip all the previous phases and go directly to Rebuilding phase, using the files in WORKFILES?

As a feature request: a separate "Rebuild from Workfiles" selection in one of the menus would be cool.You can do that, but wouldn't it just make more sense to use a better encoding quality choice in the first place?

[jdobbs]

Ok... I need someone to tell me what the issue is with Windows 7... so I forked out the $109 and upgraded my PC so I could make sure it works correctly.

The problem is -- it works perfectly with Windows 7 out-of-the-box (Home Premium). I did an upgrade, ran it, and it worked perfectly. I then checked and set VC-1 to "disabled" --- voila, it still worked perfectly.

To those who have been asking "When will you make changes to make it work by default with Windows 7?" I have to answer "What gives, bubba?"

By the way... this O/S looks and acts pretty much exactly like Vista. It's only my first day, but this certainly seems to be much ado over nothing.

[Capsbackup]

Did you do an Upgrade over Vista or a reformat and clean install?
I'm holding off for a awhile myself. :confused: :p

[jdobbs]

Did you do an Upgrade over Vista or a reformat and clean install?
I'm holding off for a awhile myself. :confused: :pI upgraded over Vista.

[writersblock29]

@Jdobbs

Microsoft might have changed something between the betas most people have been using and the release candidates. I noticed a different system of mine had no trouble running BD Rebuilder when I installed the RC and allowed it to run all its updates. I'll admit I didn't try BDRB before running the updates, so it could even be something in an update. The initial betas were a no-go without those registry tweaks.

(Gotta love beta software, eh? :p)

Still waiting for my copy of Win7 to arrive (I purchased it during the pre-order deal a few months back). Man, I'm sick of Windows XP X64 on my main system!

[colinhunt]

You can do that, but wouldn't it just make more sense to use a better encoding quality choice in the first place?
I used the "Highest (Very Slow)" setting for the job with BD-25 as target size. Encoding took 9 hours on a 3.8GHz Core i7.

Want to hear the funny part? While my encoding PC was doing the second encode with MeGUI, I ran BD-RB on another PC and made another full backup of the same disc, this time using the "High-Speed Option (BD-25)". The process took less than an hour and the output looks excellent. This was the first time I tried the High-Speed Option and I have to say I'm pretty darn impressed!

[colinhunt]

Yes, if BD-RB has finished reencoding all files, it will not reencode them again. This is why it would benefit you to not select Delete Workfile Folder after rebuild.
Yup, I was kinda hoping this was the case, which is why I didn't let BD-RB delete workfiles.

Note, your initial settings can NOT change. So make sure you select/deselect all appropriate audio and subs that you had for your first initial backup. If you get the message The Folder is not empty, delete all files?, you did not set it up properly.
Good to know, thanks!

Click on the following link:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1329393&postcount=240
Thank you!

[DVD Maniac]

@jdobbs

Just stumbled onto something in latest version, right clicking a Title row prior to processing in Full Backup mode now gives various sub options to view, blank, keep the title etc. However the view feature does not appear to work yet and the other options are greyed out. Does this indicate we are close to having a title blanking feature? I only ask as I have just started to look at TV series based projects where I do now want to keep the menu but ditch all the other rubbish - Movie Only is obviously no use in this case (unless I run a movie only backup for each episdoe but then I loose the menu of course)

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Just stumbled onto something in latest version, right clicking a Title row prior to processing in Full Backup mode now gives various sub options to view, blank, keep the title etc. However the view feature does not appear to work yet and the other options are greyed out. Does this indicate we are close to having a title blanking feature? I only ask as I have just started to look at TV series based projects where I do now want to keep the menu but ditch all the other rubbish - Movie Only is obviously no use in this case (unless I run a movie only backup for each episdoe but then I loose the menu of course)Hmmm... the popup menu should have been disabled, I must have enabled it without paying attention. But, yes, I plan to implement those -- just not yet. I'm not sure about timing.

[vamsiklak]

I wonder if the BD-RB has movie splits into the way we want
like ..I want to split in half if the movie is 40gb
I want to use two bd-r 25
and i want to spillt in half if the movie is less than 15gb
please help..?

[DVD Maniac]

Hmmm... the popup menu should have been disabled, I must have enabled it without paying attention. But, yes, I plan to implement those -- just not yet. I'm not sure about timing.

OK Thanks. What will it take to get this moved up the build queue!:):)

[Wolfe999]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but I was lost among so many entries.

Is there a way to make that BD-Rebuilder respects (don't touch or upscale) the original sound that may come in mono or just stereo?

Thank you :)

[jdobbs]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but I was lost among so many entries.

Is there a way to make that BD-Rebuilder respects (don't touch or upscale) the original sound that may come in mono or just stereo?

Thank you :)If you say "Do not reencode AC3" and "Do not convert DTS" in the SETUP dialog, the original audio is used -- regardless of how many channels it holds. The exception would be LPCM.

[Wolfe999]

@jdobbs Thanx for your answer.

But, and it was my mistake, I didn't specify that I meant DVD-9 or 5 conversions, and movie-only. The options you mention are reserved to blu-ray. If I'm not mistaken, whenever you do a DVD-9 or 5 conversion, it converts the audio to ac3 5.1 448 or 640. I want to know what I have to do to make the program keep the original audio in the DVD's conversion.

Thanx again :)

[Reabar]

Hello everyone.. this is my first participation in this site :eek:

I'm an excessive Blu-Ray user, and I would like to get back to the subject here : Feature Requests

such great software we have here gentlemen :thanks:

I only have a suggestion for a simple and much needed feature :

Setting menu > Setup > Video Encoding Options > Resize Extras 1080p to 720p

as you know, not all extras are worth keeping, and 720p is enough for them, and some times 480p is more than enough.

I added an image of what it might look like, and it looks useful to me :helpful:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1016/setuprv.jpg


we could also use variable audio quality levels like : 192 - 256 - 640

I hope it doesn't take much work to add such features, it will make may life so much easer.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs Thanx for your answer.

But, and it was my mistake, I didn't specify that I meant DVD-9 or 5 conversions, and movie-only. The options you mention are reserved to blu-ray. If I'm not mistaken, whenever you do a DVD-9 or 5 conversion, it converts the audio to ac3 5.1 448 or 640. I want to know what I have to do to make the program keep the original audio in the DVD's conversion.

Thanx again :)No they're not... they are meant for ALL encodes. Only the "Keep HD Audio" fits that scenario. If you select those options, the non-HD core of the AC3 or DTS is kept and it is not reencoded.

If you want to keep the HD audio for DVD-5/9, you're pretty much out-of-luck. The audio of a single 5.1 channel stream alone can fill most of a DVD-5. You really need BD-25 to keep HD audio.

[Wolfe999]

@jdobbs Thanx for the clarification :)

No, I just want to keep the original sound in those cases that it's mono or just stereo, and for the rest of the DVD's conversions, I'm just happy with the ac3 5.1 sound :-D

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs Thanx for the clarification :)

No, I just want to keep the original sound in those cases that it's mono or just stereo, and for the rest of the DVD's conversions, I'm just happy with the ac3 5.1 sound :-D BTW, if you decided to reencode a mono channel it will be reencoded as mono AC3 at 112Kbs, stereo would be reencoded in AC3 at 224Kbs.

[Sharc]

I run into a significant oversize (+15%) with a 1-pass crf encode trying out the latest x264 with weightp=2.
Is there an easy way to use the oversized file as 1st pass for a subsequent 2nd pass to get the size right? If so, could this be included as a feature in BD-RB?

Added:
It seems already to be on the agenda here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1332892#post1332892)

[Data24]

hi jdobbs. first of all, great work. a very easy to use app to backup blurays.
but i miss an expert mode so that i can
- set/override the REDUCTION for each file/stream
- set/override the destination format for each audio stream
also it would be nice, if the main window would be resizeable. sometimes there are many streams to display.
thxs a lot and greetings from germany

[piston_broke]

Hi
First just want to say thanks for a very easy to use bit of software for people like me who don't understand all this x264 encoding thingy!
There are a couple of audio features i would like to see though.I don't know if it even possible,but can you convert LPCM and other audio streams to DTS.Very often this would mean no re-encoding of the video to fit on a BD 25 disc,which would be great!
Also a lot of movies from other sources have DTS 1536kbps (which i think is overkil for a BD5) so it would be great if this could be reduced to 768kbps so as to leave more room for the video.So an option to convert DTS 1536 to DTS 768 would be nice.If this feature cannot be incorporated i wonder if anyone can point me to some software which directly acceps .dts files to down convert.I think eac3to is supposed to but i can never get it to work properly.
One final request: TS Muxer can accept a movie with non standard resolution('cropped') and still make a bluray structure out of it,which is recognised by BD rebuilder.Is it possible to add an uncrop feature to make the movie compliant.I know of uncropMKV but i think it says on it's thread that re-encoding isn't as good as other software.Hence, it would be nice to encorporate that feature
in this software to make an all round package.Thanks for listening guys.

[lithiumus]

The issue with DTS is that there is no free DTS encoder... so instead, maybe this could be considered...

Since Surcode is the most reasonable and easy to interface DTS encoder, have BD Rebuilder have the option to call out to Surcode to downconvert to DTS if it's installed. In addition, allow the more advanced user who is willing and able to re-encode the audio for HD audio to DTS, etc to "swap" in a custom audio stream. Of course this would only work if the stream is NOT seamless branching...

But let us know if a simple call out to Surcode similar to how eac3to does it to encode DTS makes sense or maybe just a simple call out to eac3to to do it with the caveat that the user must have eac3to installed and Surcode installed and working properly...

[cwh060]

@jdobbs, I've followed with great interest the products and software you have developed. Own DVDRB and am using BDRB for blue rays now.

Seems while following the threads everyone is changing settings, upgrading ffdshow, Matroska, AVISYNTH, x264 etc and having problems. I am certainly no exception, I use other software which often automatically upgrades ffdshow and Matroska to the latest. Moving back to BDRB, I often forget to downgrade back to the original, or even realize it's been changed.

Is there a way to a) check the version of the 3rd party software and alert the user to either downgrade or proceed at their own risk. b) set up ffdshow to the appropriate settings before starting the encode (this one seems to be a common error). I know this might seem like nagging the user, but it could shorten the Bug Reports section considerably.

Or automatically download and install the correct versions which work with BDRB overwritting the current version - although this probably isn't a great practice, again give the user warning first.

I think Zoom Player has a function buried somewhere in the settings which allows the user to upgrade various 3rd party software, one at a time to the most recent. It's like a pick list for upgrading components.

Anyway, great products and work.

[ahab666]

hello jdobbs et al,

as i was/am a big fan and contributor of dvd rebuilder since its starting days i'd like to suggest some innovations ...
so here are some post xmas wishes for bdrb :

0. allow the use of CUDA compatible graphic cards for re-encoding ---- that is the most important one, should speed up the re-encode process by the factor 10-30 !!!
1. remove extras and/or trailers (especially forced ones at the beginning b4 seeing the main menu the very 1st time !!!) and/or any warnings and jump to the start either of the main flick or the main menu ---- quite important to me ;)
2a. remove main menu but keep pop up menu (if any) ---- this additional choice would be great
2b. remove pop up menu but keep main menu ---- that additional choice would be great either
3. disable selection of the removed audio/subtitle track selections in main, menu/pop up, on the remote ---- if possible another great one ;)
4. keeping the main movie only should keep - the main menu and the pop up menu as well as the chapter markers (animated menu items become high compressed or still images by choice)
5. always create a ps3/avchd compatible structure - except if that causes problems with any stand alone players


i too would suggest a lite (free) and (reasonably priced) pro version splitting - if the pro version includes some advantages and if the fee would help to speed up the developing process ;) ...


all the best for 2010 you all and keep on your good work


cheers - ahab666

[eTiMaGo]

What I would like to see is a dynamic Compression/Quality Percentage preview based on the language tracks kept/removed. It's hard to tell before the fact, especially music titles with chunky LPCM sound tracks.

[rasta21]

...dont know if someone already mentioned this one:

...1) estimate time to encode (overall) by average fps. there is an ETA for the current track...but not for the whole disc

...2) save config presets/profiles...so i can create my own settings for quick and for quality encoding

...overall i luv ure tool ;)

[Dark Shikari]

After checking yet another Blu-ray and continuing to find that every single Blu-ray out there is lowpassed, I was thinking it might make sense for BD-5 backups to downscale to 720p. Since there's almost never any detail that's actually lost by doing so, it might compress significantly better at such low bitrates.

[Mr. E]

Well, I may be using BDR differently than most here. I build movies to .m2ts files with AVC video and DD 640 audio for streaming to my PS3.

So where BDR really helps me is in greatly simplifying the conversion from VC-1 and the lossless audio codecs that the PS3 can't stream. I try to keep the best video quality possible, so currently I have to micromanage the custom output size, setting it to 50GB for AVC BDs (so no video re-encoding happens), and then using trial and error to find the maximum size setting that will force a reencode for VC-1 BDs.

So really what I'm saying is that an output option of forced AVC video with unlimited size would be a godsend.

[jdobbs]

Well, I may be using BDR differently than most here. I build movies to .m2ts files with AVC video and DD 640 audio for streaming to my PS3.

So where BDR really helps me is in greatly simplifying the conversion from VC-1 and the lossless audio codecs that the PS3 can't stream. I try to keep the best video quality possible, so currently I have to micromanage the custom output size, setting it to 50GB for AVC BDs (so no video re-encoding happens), and then using trial and error to find the maximum size setting that will force a reencode for VC-1 BDs.

So really what I'm saying is that an output option of forced AVC video with unlimited size would be a godsend. You can do that now. Just add this to the INI file:

FORCE_ENCODE=1

I'd also recommend you use:

FIXED_CRF=15

and select "One Pass (CRF) Encoding"

That way you will be assured very high quality -- and it will always reencode.

[GaPony]

I wish I had known that about 500 movies ago... :o

Time to go fire up BD-Rebuilder.... :)

[ni9ht_5ta1k3r]

would be nice if there was an option to convert PCM 5.1 to DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1...if it's at all possible.

[jdobbs]

would be nice if there was an option to convert PCM 5.1 to DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1...if it's at all possible.:confused: It should do that by default. The only time it won't do so is if you are doing a BD-25 backup and have "Keep HD Audio" set.

[ni9ht_5ta1k3r]

:confused: It should do that by default. The only time it won't do so is if you are doing a BD-25 backup and have "Keep HD Audio" set.

oh really? i never came across a disc that has a PCM 5.1 as it's main track so i wouldn't know if BD-RB would actually do it and convert the PCM track to DD or DTS.

[kanaske]

Have the option check box during first install not have a check in the cce field. Make the user choose not un choose cce support. I know this would have saved me a lot of hassle and I am sure a little less hate by some of the support questions I asked :(

[Guest]

Have the option check box during first install not have a check in the cce field. Make the user choose not un choose cce support. I know this would have saved me a lot of hassle and I am sure a little less hate by some of the support questions I asked :( Why are you posting this in the BD Rebuilder thread when your concern was with DVD RB?

[k-c-ksum]

hello jdobbs et al,

as i was/am a big fan and contributor of dvd rebuilder since its starting days i'd like to suggest some innovations ...
so here are some post xmas wishes for bdrb :

0. allow the use of CUDA compatible graphic cards for re-encoding ---- that is the most important one, should speed up the re-encode process by the factor 10-30 !!!
1. remove extras and/or trailers (especially forced ones at the beginning b4 seeing the main menu the very 1st time !!!) and/or any warnings and jump to the start either of the main flick or the main menu ---- quite important to me ;)



cheers - ahab666


use cuda, yeah anything to speed the process up
dgvdecnv is a small price to pay :)

im sure the removal of trailers etc option will come soon enough

[Mr. E]

You can do that now. Just add this to the INI file:

FORCE_ENCODE=1

I'd also recommend you use:

FIXED_CRF=15

and select "One Pass (CRF) Encoding"

That way you will be assured very high quality -- and it will always reencode.Wow, thanks so much for the tips! I'm really looking forward to the final release.

[Mr. E]

I discovered one other item that would be very helpful to me--the ability to optionally "burn" hard subtitles directly into the converted video. My media server doesn't have the horsepower to transcode on the fly, so burned subs are probably my only option for streaming.

I came across SupTitle, an AVISynth plugin that will perform this feature. Could this be optionally called by BD-Rebuilder during conversion?

http://www.zachsaw.co.cc/?pg=suptitle_pgs_avisynth_plugin

[jdobbs]

Wow, thanks so much for the tips! I'm really looking forward to the final release. Just remember that sizing accuracy goes out the window with those settings.

[jdobbs]

I discovered one other item that would be very helpful to me--the ability to optionally "burn" hard subtitles directly into the converted video. My media server doesn't have the horsepower to transcode on the fly, so burned subs are probably my only option for streaming.

I came across SupTitle, an AVISynth plugin that will perform this feature. Could this be optionally called by BD-Rebuilder during conversion?

http://www.zachsaw.co.cc/?pg=suptitle_pgs_avisynth_plugin I can decode the subtitles to a bitmap easily enough, I've already written code for that. I'll have to look at AVISYNTH and see how I can overlay them onto the picture.

[Mr. E]

I can decode the subtitles to a bitmap easily enough, I've already written code for that. I'll have to look at AVISYNTH and see how I can overlay them onto the picture.That would be awesome, thanks so much.

[colinhunt]

would be nice if there was an option to convert PCM 5.1 to DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1...if it's at all possible.

:confused: It should do that by default. The only time it won't do so is if you are doing a BD-25 backup and have "Keep HD Audio" set.

I'd really appreciate an option to re-encode PCM tracks while leaving DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD tracks untouched for BD-25 backups.

[tekmobile]

Been away for a while so kinda lost track

Id love to be able to choose where the working and output files are created seperatly instead of being combined in the working path

A TMP for the temporary stuff
and a finished output folder.

The reason is I would like these to be on separate disks

Thanks :thanks:

[jdobbs]

Been away for a while so kinda lost track

Id love to be able to choose where the working and output files are created seperatly instead of being combined in the working path

A TMP for the temporary stuff
and a finished output folder.

The reason is I would like these to be on separate disks

Thanks :thanks:Is it because of space limitations? Because it really wouldn't help speed since the output drive wouldn't even be accessed until almost the end of the process.

[tekmobile]

Is it because of space limitations? Because it really wouldn't help speed since the output drive wouldn't even be accessed until almost the end of the process.

Partly because I have a drive for use with large constantly changing temporary files like the workfiles folder to save constant rewrites to the main drive to try and limit fragmentation and although its ok for a single disc its no good for batch processing because theres not enough room for more than one.

[Ch3vr0n]

Hey Jdobbs. Been using your wonderful piece of software for a while now and so far everything has been running smoothly on my system. Just wanted to give my thanks for saving me a bundle in being able to buy single layer discs instead of the incredibly expensive double layer discs for my backups. Just one question though, what's changed since the latest beta. I saw a new version in the bug reports thread but no post about what's changed.

Anyway keep up the good work and i look forward to seeing this application out of beta. 0 issues have occured here so far :)

** edit ** nvm about the changes post. Saw a changes.txt file in the bd-rb dir ;)

[Revgen]

I would like to see support for using Neuron2's DGDecodeNV indexer as an alternative to directshowsource.

[Data24]

I want to override the "pass" parameter with value 3 so that i have an updated stats file that i can analyse (i want to know the resulting q value). But i can't override it with TWEAK_PASS_TWO. Any idea?

[jdobbs]

I want to override the "pass" parameter with value 3 so that i have an updated stats file that i can analyse (i want to know the resulting q value). But i can't override it with TWEAK_PASS_TWO. Any idea?My continuity checker doesn't allow the "--pass" setting to be changed in TWEAK_PASS_TWO. I'll add a hidden option to use "3" instead of "2".

[Data24]

:thanks: a lot :)
My continuity checker doesn't allow the "--pass" setting to be changed in TWEAK_PASS_TWO. I'll add a hidden option to use "3" instead of "2".

[jdobbs]

It's posted with that update in the bug reporting thread. :)

[Cela]

The following 3 features would help to make life easier:

1. BD/AVCHD Rebuilder
Any chance to make BD Rebuilder accept and rebuild AVCHD?
Ok, I know, it's BD Rebuilder. Well, but I would also need to rebuild AVCHD. Isn't AVCHD asubset of BD?
Why? My Sony Camcorder produces an AVCHD (up to 16 GB with many .MTS - one for each recorded scene) which I would like to rebuild to DVD9 or DVD5.

2. BD/AVCHD 2 DVD Rebuilder
Any chance to add an option to rebuild to DVD structure and to transcode to DVD compliant mpeg2?
Why? To make a quick, 1-click 'VIDEO_TS' copy (including chapters and subtitles) for my not-HD-ready netbook.
Maybe some synergy with DVD-RB for the output section?

3. Custom target size option for DVD Rebuilder (Pro v1.28.2)
Quote of BD Rebuilder Beta's rule 7:
"If you decide to write to dual layer DVDs (BD-9/DVD-9), use ONLY HIGH QUALITY DUAL LAYER DISCS. I have found numerous cases where the same image works flawlessly with a quality (e.g. Verbatim) disc and fails (hangs) on a cheap one."

Even Verbatim does not guarantee success any longer!? Systematic testing with my current 50 Verbatim DL pack tought me, that I should not fill the DVD9 more than 7366 MiB, which is ~90.36% of the full 8152 MiB (1.885.696 LB sectors KiB).
So, I would need an option "Custom target size" in DVD-RB Pro as there is in BD Rebuilder Beta.

Any chance?

[jdobbs]

The following 3 features would help to make life easier:

1. BD/AVCHD Rebuilder
Any chance to make BD Rebuilder accept and rebuild AVCHD?
Ok, I know, it's BD Rebuilder. Well, but I would also need to rebuild AVCHD. Isn't AVCHD asubset of BD?
Why? My Sony Camcorder produces an AVCHD (up to 16 GB with many .MTS - one for each recorded scene) which I would like to rebuild to DVD9 or DVD5.

2. BD/AVCHD 2 DVD Rebuilder
Any chance to add an option to rebuild to DVD structure and to transcode to DVD compliant mpeg2?
Why? To make a quick, 1-click 'VIDEO_TS' copy (including chapters and subtitles) for my not-HD-ready netbook.
Maybe some synergy with DVD-RB for the output section?

3. Custom target size option for DVD Rebuilder (Pro v1.28.2)
Quote of BD Rebuilder Beta's rule 7:
"If you decide to write to dual layer DVDs (BD-9/DVD-9), use ONLY HIGH QUALITY DUAL LAYER DISCS. I have found numerous cases where the same image works flawlessly with a quality (e.g. Verbatim) disc and fails (hangs) on a cheap one."

Even Verbatim does not guarantee success any longer!? Systematic testing with my current 50 Verbatim DL pack tought me, that I should not fill the DVD9 more than 7366 MiB, which is ~90.36% of the full 8152 MiB (1.885.696 LB sectors KiB).


So, I would need an option "Custom target size" in DVD-RB Pro as there is in BD Rebuilder Beta.

Any chance?1. I'll look at it. Unfortunately I don't have any examples to work with. Any chance you could create a small ISO from your camera that I could use?

2. That would be a lot more work than I really want to get into. I'd have to transport the entire authoring engine for DVD into BD Rebuilder.

3. DVD Rebuilder Pro has several custom target sizes that are added via the INI. They are based on 2048 byte sectors that are adjusted for overhead:

DVD-5/9 general sizing
TargetSectors=
DLTargetSectors=

The default values are TargetSectors=2236400 and DLTargetSectors=4050000 -- you can use this as a baseline for sizing based upon what you get with the defaults.

Therea are also settings for specific encoders that will override the general setting, like:
HCTargetSectors=
HCDLTargetSectors=
CCETargetSectors=
CCEDLTargetSectors=

[deank]

-----------------------
[16:25:17] BD Rebuilder v0.32.05 (beta)
- Source: AVCHD_BJ_TEST
- Input BD size: 0,00 GB
- Approximate total content: [00:00:32.192]
- Target BD size: 4,27 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6001]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[16:25:17] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:25:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_80011]
- [16:25:18] Reencoding: VID_80011 (1 of 1)
- [16:25:18] Collecting video information
- [16:25:18] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [16:25:18] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [16:25:19] Multiplexing M2TS
[16:25:20]PHASE ONE complete
[16:25:20]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [16:25:20] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[16:25:20] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[16:25:20]JOB: AVCHD_BJ_TEST finished.

***

I see no problem with AVCHD rebuilding.

Cela, you may want to use AVCHD Manager to simply rename your structure from 8.3 filename format to long-names.

Re-importing it back in multiAVCHD:

[16:30:26] MAKER/Equipment ID: BD-Rebuilder
[16:30:26] Created: 08/08/2007 00:54:53

[16:30:26] *** 1. AVCHD BJ TEST
[16:30:27] Added 1 AVCHD compatible folder(s).


Works both in movie-only and full-backup modes. :)

[Cela]

Thanks for the quick responses!

@jdobbs
>> 1. I'll look at it. Unfortunately I don't have any examples to work with. Any chance you could create a small ISO from your camera that I could use? <<
I will provide a copy of the AVCHD folder after recording some short scenes with the camera. There is no ISO at that stage in the workflow.

>> 2. That would be a lot more work than I really want to get into... <<
What would be a simple, quick & dirty workaround?

>> 3. DVD Rebuilder Pro has several custom target sizes that are added via the INI. They are based on 2048 byte sectors that are adjusted for overhead... <<
There were none of these lines in my REBUILDER.INI.
Now, I added a line
DLTargetSectors=3771000
in C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\REBUILDER.INI,
which should yield the layer break below 1.885.696 sectors (of 2048 bytes) at a 50%/50% ratio for L0 and L1.

@deank
I will try your suggestions with multiAVCHD's new, advanced version 4.0 (build 734) and post again in your forum.

[deank]

Thanks for the quick responses!

@jdobbs
>> 1. I'll look at it. Unfortunately I don't have any examples to work with. Any chance you could create a small ISO from your camera that I could use? <<
I will provide a copy of the AVCHD folder after recording some short scenes with the camera. There is no ISO at that stage in the workflow.

@deank
I will try your suggestions with multiAVCHD's new, advanced version 4.0 (build 734) and post again in your forum.

:confused:

My answer to your question has nothing to do with multiAVCHD (nor ISO images for that matter).

I advised that your use a tool to rename 8.3 AVCHD for SDHC/USB structure to [long-name] AVCHD for DVD/BD structure.

1) Copy your original AVCHD folder to a temp location
2) Download AVCHD Manager
3) Copy it into the same folder which has your AVCHD folder
4) Start AVCHD Manager
5) Select your AVCHD folder and click AVCHDme-undo

OR rename all files in Windows Explorer yourself.

then load BDMV folder into BD-Rebuilder.



BD-Rebuilder needs BDMV folder and all files compliant to long-name standard.... Make sure you have all .BDM -> .bdmv (MOVIEOBJ.BDM->MovieObject.bdmv), .CPI -> .clpi, .MTS -> .m2ts and .MPL -> .mpls.

It is as simple as that.

[Cela]

@deank
:confused:
My answer to your question has nothing to do with multiAVCHD (nor ISO images for that matter)...
....It is as simple as that.1. I understood this. And it surely works. :)
But, why should BD-RB not accept the AVCHD as it is?
2. I used my camcorder AVCHD to resume using multiAVCHD after a fairly long pause. At first sight, a lot has changed, chapters for example. Therefore, I will need some additional learning in your forum.

P.S.
@jdobbs
I PM'd you a camcorder example (you asked for in your post #331 )

[spotswood]

First of all thanks jdobbs for an absolutely brilliant piece of software. My apologies if this has been requested before. Searched and could not find a reference.

My question/request involves the above title hidden option paramater that as of now is only enabled for BD25. Are there plans to enable it for BD5/BD9, or is this not possible?

Reason I ask is that I like to use Full Disc mode with BD9 after blanking warnings, trailers and some useless "special features" with multiAVCHD (and await these features for BDrebuilder).

Like others I have had problems with certain menus when they are re-encoded. If I could use MIN_M2TS_SIZE on BD9 that would be great.

If I'm mistaken or am doing something wrong, please let me know. Thanks again and keep up the great work!

PS. Anyone who quotes Ferret Face is OK in my book!

[jdobbs]

First of all thanks jdobbs for an absolutely brilliant piece of software. My apologies if this has been requested before. Searched and could not find a reference.

My question/request involves the above title hidden option paramater that as of now is only enabled for BD25. Are there plans to enable it for BD5/BD9, or is this not possible?

Reason I ask is that I like to use Full Disc mode with BD9 after blanking warnings, trailers and some useless "special features" with multiAVCHD (and await these features for BDrebuilder).

Like others I have had problems with certain menus when they are re-encoded. If I could use MIN_M2TS_SIZE on BD9 that would be great.

If I'm mistaken or am doing something wrong, please let me know. Thanks again and keep up the great work!

PS. Anyone who quotes Ferret Face is OK in my book! You can't do it for BD-5/9 because the files have to be reencoded. The maximum bitrate is too high for BD-5/9 on the oriignal. Most of the time it will just freeze.

[saphire199]

Well, I ran into something, thought I would post it here to get any feedback. I have Win 7 Ult x64, been doing alot of discs with no problem. Then recently, I noticed when I mounted the iso's (to qual before burning) that I had no sound. Following the tip that some other program might have grabbed some file rights, I un-installed (rebooted) and re-installed all BDRB pgms. After that, things worked great. So the feature that seems wld be great is for BDRB to double check the file extensions it needs to work with (as well as the pgms it uses to work) to make sure they are all aligned with the pgms that they need to be to ensure correct result in BDRB. If that wld be too much work, how can I check myself to make sure before I run BDRB? I mean, I do check all my BDRB settings before each time backing up, but it looks like I need to check associated file ext also, especially after installing or updating any kind of media pgm.

As I said, any advice on this wld be welcome.

[Ch3vr0n]

my feature request is rather simple and along the line of removing the output folder. Could you add a "hidden" option to remove the source directory too after recoding job is finished ?

[spotswood]

You can't do it for BD-5/9 because the files have to be reencoded. The maximum bitrate is too high for BD-5/9 on the oriignal. Most of the time it will just freeze.OK. I had a feeling it had something to do with that. Thanks for your quick reply and looking forward to blanking features... :)

[spotswood]

You can't do it for BD-5/9 because the files have to be reencoded. The maximum bitrate is too high for BD-5/9 on the oriignal. Most of the time it will just freeze.Another quick question if you don't mind... a couple menus I've encountered still have LPCM audio @ 1500kbps (according to TMT3) after being reencoded to BD9. Should BDrebuilder be converting the menu audio to AC3 at a lower bitrate if I'm selecting BD9? Or should I not be concerned with that? Thanks again for your help...

[jdobbs]

Another quick question if you don't mind... a couple menus I've encountered still have LPCM audio @ 1500kbps (according to TMT3) after being reencoded to BD9. Should BDrebuilder be converting the menu audio to AC3 at a lower bitrate if I'm selecting BD9? Or should I not be concerned with that? Thanks again for your help...No, it should remain as-is. Menus have to be treated differently.

[spotswood]

No, it should remain as-is. Menus have to be treated differently.OK. Thanks again...

[mpiper]

Jdobbs,
Is there a chance to add 256 or 384 kbps to the AC3 re-encoding? I'm looking at making DVD-5 backups of my HD-DVD movies, and would like to use the following specs (which I've used withanother prog, but I like the results of your encoder settings better.) 1280X720 23.976fps, 5.1 256kbps AC3, Movie only. Dropping the audio allows more headroom for the video, which is more important to me on a small dvd-5 backup.

Thanks for the great program!

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs,
Is there a chance to add 256 or 384 kbps to the AC3 re-encoding? I'm looking at making DVD-5 backups of my HD-DVD movies, and would like to use the following specs (which I've used withanother prog, but I like the results of your encoder settings better.) 1280X720 23.976fps, 5.1 256kbps AC3, Movie only. Dropping the audio allows more headroom for the video, which is more important to me on a small dvd-5 backup.

Thanks for the great program! Hmm... no reason I can think of not to drop it. But once you get below 448Kbs for 5.1 the audio quality noticably drops. It might be better to downmix to stereo w/surround.

[Sharc]

For a 2 hours movie on a DVD5 the bitrate increase for the video at the expense of the audio isn't too exciting: about 1.5% (per audio track) when reducing from 448 to 384, and 4.5% when reducing 448 to 256. The loss in audio quality is probably more critical than the gain in video quality, I would say.

[HDMadness]

First of all thank you for your hard work and great piece of software you've created!
Just one simple request if possible. I've come across some situations when keeping the lossless audio track from the original blu-ray into a BD9 would not hurt the video bitrate (small movies for example) and it would be nice if you could made available the option to keep HD audio in the process of making bd9's. Thanks in advance.

Cheers :cool:

[Discoboy]

Hi jdobbs,

Can you add the option to allow the use of the x64 bit version of x264 r1471 (NAL-HRD v1.32 patched) in a similar way that Ripbot264 allows you to use the x64 bit version?

As I do see a up to 10% speed increase during encoding when using the x64 bit version.

:thanks:

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs,

Can you add the option to allow the use of the x64 bit version of x264 r1471 (NAL-HRD v1.32 patched) in a similar way that Ripbot264 allows you to use the x64 bit version?

As I do see a up to 10% speed increase during encoding when using the x64 bit version.

:thanks: It don't think it works with AVISYNTH, but I'll try it.

[turbojet]

There's avisynth64 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152800) being worked on, the few filters BDRB uses are available. Also if you don't resize or deinterlace you can feed the m2ts into x264 directly and get another 5-10% speed increase without depending on haali, avisynth, directshow.

[PhilippeB]

For years i have used 'VoB Blanked' to do my DVDs. What i like about this program is that i can keep the menus, and get rid of everything else (except the movie of course ;).

That would be a nice 'In between' option in BD-RB, not having to choose between a Full movie (unacceptable image quality - too much compression needed) and Movie only (Very nice, but still - it's a shame to loose theses nice HD menus).

Just being able to 'Blank' the video segments we don't want manually, and re-link the BD-Menu to itself when accessing it would do the trick.

Of course i have no knowledge of what it implies so don't want to make it sound too easy. Just a though.

:thanks:

[deank]

Until jdobbs implements it in BD-Rebuilder you can try/test multiAVCHD and blank all things not needed and then process the disc in BD-Rebuilder.

[Discoboy]

It don't think it works with AVISYNTH, but I'll try it.

Or use avs2yuv to pipe the videostream from the 32 bit avisynth to the 64 bit x264 in the same why RipBot264 does...

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!Until jdobbs implements it in BD-Rebuilder you can try/test multiAVCHD and blank all things not needed and then process the disc in BD-Rebuilder.Can that be done so as to preserve the original menu(s)?

[deank]

Yes, since January 2010. You even commented (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361751#post1361751)it :)

Link #1 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361598#post1361598)

Link #2 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=151925)

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

You'll get old too! - Would you believe I overlooked the opening sentence of the post I commented on?

[jdobbs]

@deank

You'll get old too! - Would you believe I overlooked the opening sentence of the post I commented on? Hell, I can't even remember what forum I'm in right now. :confused: :)

[mrickman]

I second this request

I third (or more) this request... :thanks:

[jdobbs]

I third (or more) this request... :thanks: Wish I knew what it was, I might "fourth" it... :) I went back several pages and didn't see it.

[Discoboy]

Wish I knew what it was, I might "fourth" it... :) I went back several pages and didn't see it.

Way back........ post #13:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1233988#post1233988

[jdobbs]

Way back........ post #13:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1233988#post1233988 Request for retaining HD audio? You can do that now except where the output disc (BD-5/9) is too small for it. It's available on the SETUP dialog.

[colinhunt]

I've got a few DTS and Dolby demonstration discs that range from 9 to 14 gigabytes in size. I'd love to encode them for DVD9 while keeping original HD audio, but haven't figured out a way to do that with BD-RB.

[jdobbs]

I've got a few DTS and Dolby demonstration discs that range from 9 to 14 gigabytes in size. I'd love to encode them for DVD9 while keeping original HD audio, but haven't figured out a way to do that with BD-RB. Sorry, but unfortunately most of the time the HD audio can be bigger than will fit on a DVD-9.

[colinhunt]

Sorry, but unfortunately most of the time the HD audio can be bigger than will fit on a DVD-9.
Instead of "most of the time" I'd say "in some cases"; I think most two-hour movies have an HD audio track between 2 and 4 gigabytes.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm just a bit frustrated not being able to compress a 10GB title onto a DVD-9 without losing HD audio; the audio's kinda the main point for Dolby and DTS demo discs. But yeah, such discs are quite rare and mostly free - once one pays to attend CES, IFA etc. :D

[jdobbs]

Instead of "most of the time" I'd say "in some cases"; I think most two-hour movies have an HD audio track between 2 and 4 gigabytes.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm just a bit frustrated not being able to compress a 10GB title onto a DVD-9 without losing HD audio; the audio's kinda the main point for Dolby and DTS demo discs. But yeah, such discs are quite rare and mostly free - once one pays to attend CES, IFA etc. :D And you truly think it is a good idea to use as much space for an audio track as the video? I'd certainly disagree.

I can see your point with the 10GB disc, but if I start programming for the exceptions I'll doing it for the next 20 years -- and allowing it for BD-5/9 will start a new bug thread bigger than this one. The average user just doesn't understand this kind of thing and it's better not to give them a landmine they have to avoid.

[colinhunt]

And you truly think it is a good idea to use as much space for an audio track as the video?
What? No, I'm absolutely not saying that! I was only saying that most HD audio tracks are nowhere close to 8GB, as a fact totally unrelated to BD-RB.
I most certainly wouldn't try to fit a two-hour movie on a DVD9 with HD audio. But 30 minutes of video and 4GB of HD audio, why not?

I can see your point with the 10GB disc, but if I start programming for the exceptions I'll doing it for the next 20 years
Absolutely. Which is why I mentioned such discs are quite rare, and therefore not worth your effort. I just brought it up because such discs do exist (yeah, rare). I'll think of another way around this; perhaps with Deank's multiAVCHD...

[f362580]

I wish I can see audio / subtitles tracks sizes in MBs to help me decide what tracks to keep.

[jdobbs]

I wish I can see audio / subtitles tracks sizes in MBs to help me decide what tracks to keep. I wish I could too. But I can't show that without scanning the source M2TS to find the size -- and that could put several minutes into the startup and again every time you make a selection. I think the only way I could do it accurately is to put an option somewhere to "Scan for sizes". You have to remember, though, that the program would have to scan up to 50GB to get all information.

There may be a way to scan a sample of each looking at the PTS, then make an estimate. There're a probably a lot of ways to be wrong doing that though. Hmmm... well at least you got me thinking about it. :)

[f362580]

Maybe I am wrong but with tools like MediaInfo you can get bitrate of AC3/DTS tracks instantly and then estimate final size knowing movie length.
Unfortunately for tracks with variable bitrate such as DTSMA it is not that easy. Ideally it'll be some form of background scaning while user sets other options.

[jdobbs]

Maybe I am wrong but with tools like MediaInfo you can get bitrate of AC3/DTS tracks instantly and then estimate final size knowing movie length.
Unfortunately for tracks with variable bitrate such as DTSMA it is not that easy. Ideally it'll be some form of background scaning while user sets other options. I know how to pull the bitrate from standard AC3, but I'd have to look around for docs on how to get it from DTS. I'm also not sure if I'd have to do something different for TrueHD, DTS Express, etc...

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Hello...

my question...
Isn't it possible to keep the lossless hd-audio also for dvd-9 target or at least for custom (e.q. 12 gb) ?
25 GB are sometimes just to big....
Why can't the user decide what they want... :-p

[jdobbs]

Hello...

my question...
Isn't it possible to keep the lossless hd-audio also for dvd-9 target or at least for custom (e.q. 12 gb) ?
25 GB are sometimes just to big....
Why can't the user decide what they want... :-p HD audio is just too big for a BD-9. But if you set a custom size of anything bigger (like 12GB) it will keep it now. The threshold is 8500 MB.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

ahhh.. ok, i didn't know that. but thank u for that information ... i'll try it ;)

[Capsbackup]

Is HD audio, whether it is DTS HD Master or True HD, compliant for AVCHD? :confused:

[jdobbs]

Is HD audio, whether it is DTS HD Master or True HD, compliant for AVCHD? :confused: No. Only LPCM or AC-3 is compliant with AVCHD, and there are bitrate limits as well. But if you are writing to something larger than DVD-9 -- BD-RB assumes it isn't AVCHD.

[Capsbackup]

No. Only LPCM or AC-3 is compliant with AVCHD, and there are bitrate limits as well. But if you are writing to something larger than DVD-9 -- BD-RB assumes it isn't AVCHD.

Well, if the goal is to burn to BD9, DVD media, then isn't it going to be an AVCHD?
If these HD audio files are present, will it even play on standalone players?
Perhaps streaming or USB hard drive playback will work, but will burned to optical media work?:confused:

[x400]

im not sure if this was requested (OR if its even implemented teehee) but id like this to be able to re-encode or "shrink" just the special features and leave the film untouched (or cut them out even but retain the menus, etc)

if that feature is possible then excuse my post.. i guess i'll have to learn how to use the prog :D

[jdobbs]

Well, if the goal is to burn to BD9, DVD media, then isn't it going to be an AVCHD?
If these HD audio files are present, will it even play on standalone players?
Perhaps streaming or USB hard drive playback will work, but will burned to optical media work?:confused: But if it is greater than 8500MB (which is where it is allowed) -- you're not going to burn it to DVD, it's too big. So it doesn't have to be AVCHD format. BD-RB will use blu-ray formatting.

[f362580]

Is HD audio, whether it is DTS HD Master or True HD, compliant for AVCHD? :confused:

it is not, but ps3 supports it. Maybe some other BD players too.

[jdobbs]

it is not, but ps3 supports it. Maybe some other BD players too. My Sony players (S360 and S300) support it too -- but I still convert to AC3. You never know what player you may have next year.

[f362580]

My Sony players (S360 and S300) support it too -- but I still convert to AC3. You never know what player you may have next year.
Good point.
And it is not big problem at all as you can easily remux BD output from BR rebuilder with MultiAVCHD to AVCHD for USB media keeping all tracks.

[rippn]

Just curious if there is any update on the DTS Express muxing issue? I know in the past it was said it was planned, so just checking if there is any progress. Thanks.

[user822]

hi!

can you perhaps add a multiplier for the Bitrate of certain Streams?

for example i had a disc with one cam movie and 2 animation movies and i knew it can give the animation less bitrate and save it for the cam movie

would be helpful to include the human brain for weighting the Video Bitrate a little!

Greetings
user

[tekmobile]

How hard would it be to include a preferred audio codec list for when the checkbox is selected to just keep one track because on some disc's the AC3 lossless is first and get's selected even when im wanting the HD Track.
:thanks:

[jdobbs]

How hard would it be to include a preferred audio codec list for when the checkbox is selected to just keep one track because on some disc's the AC3 lossless is first and get's selected even when im wanting the HD Track.
:thanks: But all you have to do is change it with a couple clicks on the streams list before encoding.

[tekmobile]

But all you have to do is change it with a couple clicks on the streams list before encoding.

What about on seemless branched discs do you need to change every file and if you miss one will it auto change it or create a broken disc

[jdobbs]

What about on seemless branched discs do you need to change every file and if you miss one will it auto change it or create a broken discGood point.

[JoeH]

There may be a way to scan a sample of each looking at the PTS, then make an estimate. There're a probably a lot of ways to be wrong doing that though. Hmmm... well at least you got me thinking about it. :)

I am really interested in this feature too. The interesting thing about this, is that it would allow BD_Rebuilder to actually have the option to only recode video when necessary to make it fit! That would be so fantastic! When not necessary, it just remuxes with tracks you are interested in.

This would be great - there have been so many times when I have used ClownBD first, hoping to make it under 23GB, only to find that I am just over by 1 or 2 GB. Then BD_Rebuilder. With this option, it's simple - always use BD_Rebuilder!

[JoeH]

It would be nice to be able to have a different "working" and "output" directly. That way if I decide to save the "working" files I don't end up with a mess.

[bessmertni]

Have you considered adding the Meta folder to movie only rip process? Its not a big deal but still kind of nice for those who have a ps3 or other player that can make use of it for displaying a thumbnail and title on the players interface. The contents are usually only a couple hundred kb. I usually copy the folder over after rip is done but it would be nice if bd rebuilder would do it.

[RiddleRx]

Hi

I don't know if anybody already asked for it but I think it would be usefull to have 3 paths. (source, working, destination)
Having only one path for encoding and multiplexing (working path), realy stresses the hard drive and also makes the process longer, because during the multiplexing the data read and write is on the same drive.

R.

[jdobbs]

Hi

I don't know if anybody already asked for it but I think it would be usefull to have 3 paths. (source, working, destination)
Having only one path for encoding and multiplexing (working path), realy stresses the hard drive and also makes the process longer, because during the multiplexing the data read and write is on the same drive.

R.But since the multiplexing takes such a small percentage of the overall time -- it wouldn't even be significant (actually I know it isn't -- as I've tested it).

[gamete]

sorry for my bad English, I'm Italian

I wanted to know if in future versions of bdrebuilder will be 'added support for dual-core

[jdobbs]

sorry for my bad English, I'm Italian

I wanted to know if in future versions of bdrebuilder will be 'added support for dual-core It supports it now. X264 is already optimized for multiple cores.

[gamete]

It supports it now. X264 is already optimized for multiple cores.

but is it normal with avatar with dual-core 2.66 ghz 2gb ram xp gave us 20 hours with only movie and language only ITA dts ?

backup in BD25 in normal priority and high quality

1)there will be the possibility in the future could keep the menu + the film + language?


2)are you going to implement the compression ratio of information in the log?


thanks for the great work you do

[jdobbs]

but is it normal with avatar with dual-core 2.66 ghz 2gb ram xp gave us 20 hours with only movie and language only ITA dts ?

backup in BD25 in normal priority and high quality

1)there will be the possibility in the future could keep the menu + the film + language?


2)are you going to implement the compression ratio of information in the log?


thanks for the great work you do
I'm not sure how long your dual core should take -- but that sounds a little long. With that said -- you're talking about a lot more data (about 6x as many pixels) than what you might expect in a DVD backup. That would make a 6x time-to-encode reasonable.

1. Eventually.

2. I want to avoid that -- too many people think they know what would be a good compression ratio based upon their DVD experience... but with X264 and blu-ray it is completely different. I'm trying to avoid confusion.

[gamete]

I'm the first backup of a Bluray SORRY:helpful:


What do you mean with "Eventually"?

:thanks:

[jdobbs]

I'm the first backup of a Bluray SORRY:helpful:


What do you mean with "Eventually"?

:thanks: I'm still beta testing, there are a lot of features that will be added a little at a time. That's one of them.

BTW... blu-ray backup is pretty new. Almost everybody is a newbie. :) Even the "experienced" users were newbies not long ago.

[RiddleRx]

But since the multiplexing takes such a small percentage of the overall time -- it wouldn't even be significant (actually I know it isn't -- as I've tested it).

I admit that is true but what about with the hard drive stress? :)

[JoeH]

This little program here has output size estimation using BDInfo. Maybe this is what you would need to implement the same in BDRebuilder so it could just remux if rendering is not necessary:
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=40349

[jdobbs]

This little program here has output size estimation using BDInfo. Maybe this is what you would need to implement the same in BDRebuilder so it could just remux if rendering is not necessary:
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=40349 It already remuxes the original if reencoding is not necessary. The exception, of course, would be if you had a VC-1 source going to AVCHD -- since VC-1 is not supported in AVCHD.

[spotswood]

Option to output straight to ISO and not burn.

I can put that as another option easy enough.This is a nice option and I have been taking advantage of it, thanks. How 'bout deleting the final output directory if selecting this option as it is redundant after creating the .iso at that point. Thanks again for your great program!

[Ch3vr0n]

you can remove the final output directory by adding the "hidden command" REMOVE_OUTPUT=1 to the bd-rebuilder.ini file

@JDobbs, maybe you could add a checkbox for that in the gui like there is for the workfiles.

[jdobbs]

you can remove the final output directory by adding the "hidden command" REMOVE_OUTPUT=1 to the bd-rebuilder.ini file

@JDobbs, maybe you could add a checkbox for that in the gui like there is for the workfiles.Yeah, that's a good idea.

[Mr. E]

Hey Jdobbs, great progress on BD Rebuilder with every revision!

I just wanted to check in and see if the option to create hardcoded/burned-in-video subtitles was still in the pipeline for BD-rebuilder. Also, the ability to select an external set of subtitles would be most excellent, especially for cases like "Let the Right One In" (See that subtitle controversy here (http://iconsoffright.com/news/2009/03/let_the_wrong_subtitles_in_to.html)). I just found that Ripbot 264 has these features, but I still vastly prefer BD-RB for your superior speed and ease-of-use. I think those would be the final features that would make BD-RB the perfect all-in-one BD utility for me! :)

[jfcarbel]

2 requests:

1. Ability to preview video stream
Looks like a tool called ClownBD Copier is now doing this, I think its using mplayer to achieve this
UPDATE: Ah I see this can be done by right clicking on stream and doing preview. So maybe this just needs to be more intuitive with a preview window or play stream button for the challenged :)

2. Extras only BD-9 with no movie option
There are times where I want the best quality for the movie, but still wish to have the supplements. So it would be nice to be able to create my movie only BD-25 and then create a separate BD-9 disc that has only the supplements, so in effect its eliminating the main movie. This will obviously not work for PIP or audio commentary supplements, but for the rest it would.

[snakeman]

I see you have implemented the ipad conversion, please try and create a AppleTV conversion with the two audio tracks aac and ac3, but use the 4.1 profile so we can also play them on our PS3s also :)

Thanks



snakeman

[hobbes4444]

Is it/would it be possible to have a movie only option with 1:1 for 50gb discs? I have a disc with what I think is a problematic menu that I'm trying to back up. Couldn't get the 50gb iso from anydvd to burn and play in my sony 350, panny 60 or lg 590, and couldn't get a full backup 25gb to play in any of those as well. Thinking maybe the menu is PAL SDef, but not sure. SO did a movie only 25gb back up that plays fine on the 350. Would be nice to be able to select movie only for 50gb. I'm a newbie, so maybe I'm just missing how to do that in bdrb.

Love the program so far though!
Cheers!

[jdobbs]

Is it/would it be possible to have a movie only option with 1:1 for 50gb discs? I have a disc with what I think is a problematic menu that I'm trying to back up. Couldn't get the 50gb iso from anydvd to burn and play in my sony 350, panny 60 or lg 590, and couldn't get a full backup 25gb to play in any of those as well. Thinking maybe the menu is PAL SDef, but not sure. SO did a movie only 25gb back up that plays fine on the 350. Would be nice to be able to select movie only for 50gb. I'm a newbie, so maybe I'm just missing how to do that in bdrb.

Love the program so far though!
Cheers! Just set "Custom Target Size" on the SETUP menu to 50000, and then select it from the "Settings/Output Options" menu. Then choose "Movie-Only" from the MODE menu. It will create a movie-only version without reencoding.

If you want it to reencode anyway (for example if you wanted to convert VC-1 to AVC), you could add this hidden option to the BDREBUILDER.INI file:

FORCE_ENCODE=1

Hope this gets you what you want. :)

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Can you change the way the secondary video/audio is enabled or disabled, to make it similar to the way we select or deselect audio streams presently?
I have the " PROCESS_SECONDARY=0/1 " switch able to set/change in the ini file, but it seams it would be more straight forward to just be able to double click the stream to enable or disable it. :)

[Bob Wya]

@jdobbs

I would like to see a feature where it is possible to edit or replace the stock BD-RB AVISynth scripts. Currently BD-RB will write the scripts on the fly during the Encode process (which is not ideal really).

Perhaps an optional "Prepare" and "Backup Option" - similar to 1-click encode vs. 2-click (prepare / encode+rebuild) which you used in DVD-RB?

Sorry if I missed a previous post with a similar request... Just wasn't willing to hunt back through hundreds of feature request posts!! :devil:

Thanks, and keep up the good work!!

Bob

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

I would like to see a feature where it is possible to edit or replace the stock BD-RB AVISynth scripts. Currently BD-RB will write the scripts on the fly during the Encode process (which is not ideal really).

Perhaps an optional "Prepare" and "Backup Option" - similar to 1-click encode vs. 2-click (prepare / encode+rebuild) which you used in DVD-RB?

Sorry if I missed a previous post with a similar request... Just wasn't willing to hunt back through hundreds of feature request posts!! :devil:

Thanks, and keep up the good work!!

BobAt some point BD-RB will include a filter editor that will allow you to add AVISYNTH commands/filters.

[colinhunt]

I'm still hoping for an option for converting LPCM tracks into Dolby Digital while leaving other HD audio tracks untouched. Imagine a title which has TrueHD or DTS-HD for main feature and stereo LPCM tracks for two commentaries. It would free up a lot of bytes for video if those LPCM tracks were converted to 224kbps DD, for example.

[A.Fenderson]

I'm not calling into question the potential usefulness of the suggestion, but for informational purposes: have you ever run across any BD with lossless-compressed audio on the feature and LPCM (or any other type of lossless audio for that matter) on an extra? If this type of mixture starts showing up a lot, it may become generally desirable for BD-RB to allow per-stream, per-track (audio) selection as to "leave intact / convert to... / remove". That could actually be very nice for those who really like to tweak their rebuilds.

[Bob Wya]

At some point BD-RB will include a filter editor that will allow you to add AVISYNTH commands/filters.

OK brill!!

I guess your tone of comment implies a month or two before this feature is implemented... Looks like I will then be writing a script to detect changes to the AVISynth files and immediately overwrite to my versions. It ain't pretty but it should work... :cool:

Thanks for the quick response,
Bob

[MilesAhead]

OK brill!!

I guess your tone of comment implies a month or two before this feature is implemented... Looks like I will then be writing a script to detect changes to the AVISynth files and immediately overwrite to my versions. It ain't pretty but it should work... :cool:

Thanks for the quick response,
Bob

I have a big need to burn in subs also. When you have a working script can you share it? Right now I'm using Simple AVI Creator to burn in subs since it uses AvsP to allow modifications before the video processing starts. But BDRebuilder is almost twice as fast in One Pass abr mode as x264 one pass mode in Creator. WD gen1 player is awfully touchy about subs going out of sync so burning in is the only way to go.

[Bob Wya]

I have a big need to burn in subs also. When you have a working script can you share it? ...

The script would be a hideous kludge. :script:

I was proposing to set BD-RB to it's super crap quality setting. Run it through x1. Manually edit any scripts I wanted to. Then rather than make the .avs files R/O (which doesn't work) I would write a script that records all the .avs files (your versions) and then sits in a busy loop and will preserve the .avs files (re-writing them immediately they are written to/re-created by BD-RB). I would then start BD-RB with the encoding level I actually wanted (High Quality).

It's the only way to hack it - as BD-RB creates each .avs file on the fly and initiates the x264 encoding almost immediately.
If you have need of such a "script" :devil: I'll knock it up this evening after work!!

Bob

[jdobbs]

The script would be a hideous kludge. :script:

I was proposing to set BD-RB to it's super crap quality setting. Run it through x1. Manually edit any scripts I wanted to. Then rather than make the .avs files R/O (which doesn't work) I would write a script that records all the .avs files (your versions) and then sits in a busy loop and will preserve the .avs files (re-writing them immediately they are written to/re-created by BD-RB). I would then start BD-RB with the encoding level I actually wanted (High Quality).

It's the only way to hack it - as BD-RB creates each .avs file on the fly and initiates the x264 encoding almost immediately.
If you have need of such a "script" :devil: I'll knock it up this evening after work!!

Bob I'll see what I can do in the short term. I think I have most of the code written for DVD-RB and I can just move it over.

[Bob Wya]

I'll see what I can do in the short term. I think I have most of the code written for DVD-RB and I can just move it over.

That would be most excellent!

Thanks
Bob

[MilesAhead]

I'll see what I can do in the short term. I think I have most of the code written for DVD-RB and I can just move it over.

Thanks. :)

[MilesAhead]

The script would be a hideous kludge. :script:

I was proposing to set BD-RB to it's super crap quality setting. Run it through x1. Manually edit any scripts I wanted to. Then rather than make the .avs files R/O (which doesn't work) I would write a script that records all the .avs files (your versions) and then sits in a busy loop and will preserve the .avs files (re-writing them immediately they are written to/re-created by BD-RB). I would then start BD-RB with the encoding level I actually wanted (High Quality).

It's the only way to hack it - as BD-RB creates each .avs file on the fly and initiates the x264 encoding almost immediately.
If you have need of such a "script" :devil: I'll knock it up this evening after work!!

Bob

Hacks don't bother me. I cobble together little AutoIt3 and ahk utilities to do small things all the time. I'm thirsty for the onslaught of free 64 bit Windows compilers though. Scripts are quick and dirty but some things they don't do well compared to real compiled stuff. But they are fun. Plus you can't beat 'em for quick Hotkey activated stuff to sit in the task tray. :)

[Ch3vr0n]

For a feature, i'd love to see the following changed.

Currently it is possible to set the target drive via the hidden command "IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=s". I would love it if it were possible to select the target drive either in Settings, Settings > Output Options or Settings > setup. Or would this be too difficult ?

[user822]

new quality and speed improvement request: add the newest x264 1659 and use the --open-gop feature!

[Ch3vr0n]

some new "features" just came to mind that i'd love to see implemented.

1) more priority options such as "above normal", "high" and "realtime"
2) The ability to minimise BDRB to the system tray

[Dark Shikari]

new quality and speed improvement request: add the newest x264 1659 and use the --open-gop feature!Not yet, we're changing it one more time to be fully Blu-ray compliant.

[Atak_Snajpera]

1) more priority options such as "above normal", "high" and "realtime"
realtime??? are you insane??? realtime + x264 = temporary freeze/hang!!!

[user822]

Not yet, we're changing it one more time to be fully Blu-ray compliant.

good to know, i already used it, but nothing is yet burned to my discs!

with the hard keyint limitation on BD it helps quite a bit

[shon3i]

good to know, i already used it, but nothing is yet burned to my discs!

with the hard keyint limitation on BD it helps quite a bit
You should not worry if you use --keyint 24 (or 1 sec gop in general) problem is only if is used with 2 sec gop

[user822]

Not yet, we're changing it one more time to be fully Blu-ray compliant.

so with 1666 it finally works via --open-gop bluray :cool:

[jdobbs]

so with 1666 it finally works via --open-gop bluray :cool: My question is: Won't using open-GOPs cause issues at chapter points? Is there a way to force closed GOPs at certain frames?

[laserfan]

My question is: Won't using open-GOPs cause issues at chapter points? Is there a way to force closed GOPs at certain frames?I use eac3to to extract to chapters.txt, then ChapterGen from shon3i:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\ChapterGen\ChapterGen.exe" -i chapters.txt -o qpfile.txt -f x264
"C:\Program Files (x86)\ChapterGen\ChapterGen.exe" -i chapters.txt -o tsMuxeR.txt -f tsMuxer

The resulting qpfile looks like this:
0 I -1
11095 I -1
19742 I -1
31094 I -1
36316 I -1
47692 I -1
55128 I -1
63058 I -1
65650 I -1
73930 I -1
84166 I -1
93450 I -1
105096 I -1
111499 I -1
117067 I -1
131420 I -1

then use the --qpfile qpfile.txt option when encoding w/x264. It will assert I-frames at these frame numbers.

Now, I don't use open GOPs but presumably the above will force closure at these points.

[jdobbs]

I use eac3to to extract to chapters.txt, then ChapterGen from shon3i:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\ChapterGen\ChapterGen.exe" -i chapters.txt -o qpfile.txt -f x264
"C:\Program Files (x86)\ChapterGen\ChapterGen.exe" -i chapters.txt -o tsMuxeR.txt -f tsMuxer

The resulting qpfile looks like this:
0 I -1
11095 I -1
19742 I -1
31094 I -1
36316 I -1
47692 I -1
55128 I -1
63058 I -1
65650 I -1
73930 I -1
84166 I -1
93450 I -1
105096 I -1
111499 I -1
117067 I -1
131420 I -1

then use the --qpfile qpfile.txt option when encoding w/x264. It will assert I-frames at these frame numbers.

Now, I don't use open GOPs but presumably the above will force closure at these points.Thanks!

I'll check this out. In the meantime I did a couple of discs with open-GOPs and tested it. There doesn't seem to be any issues at chapter points -- but, of course, that could be related to the way my player handles it.

[laserfan]

There doesn't seem to be any issues at chapter points -- but, of course, that could be related to the way my player handles it.If the chapter points occur at clear scene changes, i.e. the change occurs in one frame and not a dissolve or fade, then x264's scenecut feature puts an I-frame there automagically 99.9 (or is it 100)% of the time. I assume this is the same with opengop.

Look at your open-gop discs to see if any of the chapters are at dissolves (not too common). Not sure how opengops might work at fade-outs/fade-ins.

I use qpfile to assure that there's alway an I-frame exactly where I need it to assert the chapter-switch; maybe most of the hand-holding is unnecessary, but sometimes is critical. :)

[jdobbs]

If the chapter points occur at clear scene changes, i.e. the change occurs in one frame and not a dissolve or fade, then x264's scenecut feature puts an I-frame there automagically 99.9 (or is it 100)% of the time. I assume this is the same with opengop.

Look at your open-gop discs to see if any of the chapters are at dissolves (not too common). Not sure how opengops might work at fade-outs/fade-ins.

I use qpfile to assure that there's alway an I-frame exactly where I need it to assert the chapter-switch; maybe most of the hand-holding is unnecessary, but sometimes is critical. :) The worst case scenario would probably be a 1 second (one GOP) delay at the chapter point... but I might as well cover all bases.

[MilesAhead]

Thanks for the new avs filter dialog. It will make handling foreign films a lot more fun!

:thanks:

[laserfan]

The worst case scenario would probably be a 1 second (one GOP) delay at the chapter point... but I might as well cover all bases.Maybe, er, I mean, *likely* I don't understand open GOP, but I thought it meant "many fewer I-frames" thus much longer GOPs and thus >1sec by far? Guess I will try it myself--I'm also curious about seeking/ff/rw...

[jdobbs]

Maybe, er, I mean, *likely* I don't understand open GOP, but I thought it meant "many fewer I-frames" thus much longer GOPs and thus >1sec by far? Guess I will try it myself--I'm also curious about seeking/ff/rw... It just means that forward/backward references can cross GOP boundaries where closed GOPs limit references to within the GOP. You still have to comply with the GOP size limits of Blu-Ray.

[laserfan]

It just means that forward/backward references can cross GOP boundaries where closed GOPs limit references to within the GOP. You still have to comply with the GOP size limits of Blu-Ray.Either I haven't been paying attention to open-gop discussions, or you just made the shortest-yet-clearest explanation yet! Thanks, I got it! :)

[MilesAhead]

Thanks for the new avs filter dialog. It will make handling foreign films a lot more fun!

:thanks:

btw I did a run with burned in subs!! The output looks great!! Thanks again. :)

[shon3i]

My question is: Won't using open-GOPs cause issues at chapter points? Is there a way to force closed GOPs at certain frames?
If you use --qpfile feature in x264, x264 will force this frames beside opengop.

if you not use qpfile until now, how you manage exact chapters point, since i never able to use same points (as in original) without qpfile?

btw some encoders have IDR period, which serves to break open gop from time to time, and make stream more seekable.

It just means that forward/backward references can cross GOP boundaries where closed GOPs limit references to within the GOP. You still have to comply with the GOP size limits of Blu-Ray. Opengop will not break size limits of GOP, if you set 24 GOP, you will get 24 frames long gop, but with non-IDR pictures that does not reset picture referencing over GOP boundary

[jdobbs]

If you use --qpfile feature in x264, x264 will force this frames beside opengop.

if you not use qpfile until now, how you manage exact chapters point, since i never able to use same points (as in original) without qpfile?

btw some encoders have IDR period, which serves to break open gop from time to time, and make stream more seekable.Most chapters are at scene changes so it hits there exactly anyway when you set the chapter time correctly in TSMUXER. When not -- you are still within a maximum of 1 second (with average offset of .5 seconds) because of the small GOP size used in Blu-Ray.Opengop will not break size limits of GOP, if you set 24 GOP, you will get 24 frames long gop, but with non-IDR pictures that does not reset picture referencing over GOP boundaryThat's what I thought I said...

[laserfan]

It just means that forward/backward references can cross GOP boundaries where closed GOPs limit references to within the GOP. You still have to comply with the GOP size limits of Blu-Ray.

Opengop will not break size limits of GOP, if you set 24 GOP, you will get 24 frames long gop, but with non-IDR pictures that does not reset picture referencing over GOP boundary

That's what I thought I said...
I agree w/jdobbs. I can't tell shon3i whether you're just confirming what he said, or if you're trying to make a different point.

[shon3i]

Most chapters are at scene changes so it hits there exactly anyway when you set the chapter time in TSMUXER. When not -- you are still within 1 second because of the small GOP size used in Blu-Ray.True, but i am a perfectionist :)

That's what I thought I said... Well for that reason some of "pro" encoders have option IDR Interval Factor and APP (Access point picture), which insert IRD frame every interval or access point.

But is completly fine with qpfile, will do same on given frames

@laserfan, I was in a crowd when I first answered ;)

[jdobbs]

True, but i am a perfectionist :) Yeah, me too. So I guess I'll be adding qpfile to the next release. :)

[laserfan]

...some of "pro" encoders have option IDR Interval Factor and APP (Access point picture), which insert IRD frame every interval or access point. But is completly fine with qpfile, will do same on given frames

@laserfan, I was in a crowd when I first answered ;)Thanks for clarifying!

I don't even pretend to understand this stuff, but I completed my 1st test of open-gop and observe that I've got a lot of "little i's" now in my .stats file where before I never seemed to see them, and "big I's" here & there and always at my qpfile frames. Chapter marks land precisely. Seems to Seek/FF/RW well enough. So far so good.

[laserfan]

As a point of interest, I just did a 3 hour program using opengop, and absolutely the only I-frames (big I) in the entire thing were the qpfile frames I'd identified to x264 up-front! Little-i everywhere else, according to my 48 keyint spec.

Guess I oughta try to learn the diff between big-I and little-i but it's nice to know the BDs and chapters work, anyway.

[jdobbs]

As a point of interest, I just did a 3 hour program using opengop, and absolutely the only I-frames (big I) in the entire thing were the qpfile frames I'd identified to x264 up-front! Little-i everywhere else, according to my 48 keyint spec.

Guess I oughta try to learn the diff between big-I and little-i but it's nice to know the BDs and chapters work, anyway. The next BD-RB release uses chaptering in X264 also so "Big I's" are at every chapter point. I'm testing it now. I don't think its that big a deal -- but I'm a bit of a perfectionist. I do think the open GOP makes a bit better copy, though, I notice it especially on BD-5 backups.

BTW, I'm pretty sure you should get "Big I's" at scene changes even without qpfile.

[jdobbs]

Ahh... technology. You gotta' love it. I've been using an AMD Phenom 9500 @ 2.2GHz on a MCP61PM-GM motherboard (ECS makes it for Gateway) for my Blu-Ray backups. It's ok, but pretty slow compared to most quad-cores. So I thought "what the hell", let's try and upgrade.

I ordered a Phenom II X4 945 from Amazon for $139. Wow! I've managed to overclock it to 3.3Ghz using the standard cooler -- and I've almost doubled the speed of my backups. Hey, maybe I can test fast enough now to get quicker versions of BD-RB out!

[Capsbackup]

Ahh... technology. You gotta' love it. I've been using an AMD Phenom 9500 @ 2.2GHz on a MCP61PM-GM motherboard (ECS makes it for Gateway) for my Blu-Ray backups. It's ok, but pretty slow compared to most quad-cores. So I thought "what the hell", let's try and upgrade.

I ordered a Phenom II X4 945 from Amazon for $139. Wow! I've managed to overclock it to 3.3Ghz using the standard cooler -- and I've almost doubled the speed of my backups. Hey, maybe I can test fast enough now to get quicker versions of BD-RB out!

You have discovered a new meaning for " High Speed Option". :p

[A.Fenderson]

Sweet. I wonder if anyone's tried using BD-RB yet on one of AMD's newish 6-core CPUs, and if it really scales well going from 4 to 6 cores.

[jdobbs]

Sweet. I wonder if anyone's tried using BD-RB yet on one of AMD's newish 6-core CPUs, and if it really scales well going from 4 to 6 cores. I wondered that myself.

Anyone?

[laserfan]

BTW, I'm pretty sure you should get "Big I's" at scene changes even without qpfile.Yeah, well, I didn't, or I don't, apparently. At least according to x264's stats file.

I don't know any other way to ID big vs. little i-frames.

I pay attention to this cuz instead of deleting the stats file I grep to type:I (now type:I and type:i) and shrink & save with my logs.

[user822]

Sweet. I wonder if anyone's tried using BD-RB yet on one of AMD's newish 6-core CPUs, and if it really scales well going from 4 to 6 cores.

Well x264 does well on 4 and 8 cores so i think there will be no problem.

The only problem is that the decoder for the original bluraymovie might only use one core and be the speed limit.

Is there Any multithreaded VC1 decoder available?

[Bob Wya]

@jdobbs

Big thanks for that avs filter switch in the newest version. I'll give that a shot as soon as I can! :thanks:

Bob

[Dark Shikari]

Well x264 does well on 4 and 8 cores so i think there will be no problem.

The only problem is that the decoder for the original bluraymovie might only use one core and be the speed limit.

Is there Any multithreaded VC1 decoder available?ffmpeg-mt :)

[colinhunt]

I know I've requested this earlier, but since I've been bumping into the underlying issue several times in the recent past, I'll request it again: please please pleeease (with bambi eyes all a-flutter) add the option of re-encoding PCM audio into some lossy format while leaving other HD audio as-is.

[A.Fenderson]

I know I've requested this earlier, but since I've been bumping into the underlying issue several times in the recent past, I'll request it again: please please pleeease (with bambi eyes all a-flutter) add the option of re-encoding PCM audio into some lossy format while leaving other HD audio as-is.

Though it's not precisely what you're asking for above, there is now a hidden option in the latest beta to automatically strip out LPCM tracks while leaving HD DTS & DD tracks. I've not seen too many BD with LPCM tracks, but if I recall correctly, the ones I have seen always have an AC3/DTS version of the main audio track anyway--though this does seem a bit redundant since (I believe) LPCM decode was mandated for players all along.....? Guess this is the only way to make sure the people with SPDIF from player to receiver (and no analog 5.1 out or HDMI receiver) get surround-sound. I understand why you're asking for this (not wanting to have to manually pick your tracks/options based on the content on the disc), but have you run into any discs with LPCM and no corresponding lossy main audio track? If not (or if they don't exist), using the new hidden option should effectively do what you're asking without having to reencode the existing LPCM.

[colinhunt]

have you run into any discs with LPCM and no corresponding lossy main audio track?
Plenty of releases out there that use LPCM for main 1.0 audio and/or 2.0 commentary. I don't see any reason not to re-encode those to 640kbps DD, for example, and save lots of bits for video.

edit: I noticed the feature was added in the latest version. Whee!

[A.Fenderson]

Well, looks like I didn't read the release notes closely enough--you seem to have gotten what you wanted exactly after all! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1418982#post1418982) :-)

[colinhunt]

Well, looks like I didn't read the release notes closely enough--you seem to have gotten what you wanted exactly after all! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1418982#post1418982) :-)
Yup! Happy dance!

[jdobbs]

Yup! Happy dance! I like to think I hear what people ask... :)

[colinhunt]

jdobbs, is it at all possible for BD-RB to take advantage of CUDA via neuron2's NV decoder - and if it is possible, what would it take for you to implement it?

[kshock]

I just did a run with an AMD X6 and everthing worked great. I did a BD-25 of Remember ME, movie only, do not convert DYS to AC3, Do not reencode AC3, Keep HD audio
Went from 20+ hours to 2 hrs. AWSOME program. THANK YOU

[bluesin]

Thank you for this great program... is it possible to add output for video_TS format? i store all my movies on a NAS and use my Control4 Media Player to play them in the bedroom while using my bd player to watch them in the theater during the regular hours of the day and if you could add this feature it would save me a few steps since currenly i shrink them to the 5g size with bd rebuilder then have to use avchd to convert them

[JoeH]

FYI, MultiAVCHD has this functionality - it can go straight from BD-25 or BD-50 to DVD-5/9 with Video_TS format, conserving audio, subtitles, and video.

That having been said, it would be REALLY great to see it added to BD-Rebuilder as well.

[bluesin]

I know it can be done with avchd but no one is willing to help with the audio sync issue for that program. Not only that, I find BD_rebuilder easier to use/configure what i want it to do.

[MilesAhead]

But since the multiplexing takes such a small percentage of the overall time -- it wouldn't even be significant (actually I know it isn't -- as I've tested it).

I agree the time saved isn't much. But it is a lot smoother. And as mentioned, easier on the drives. I have a couple of USB 3.0 docks with WD 6 Gb/sec drives. Muxing flies when you read from one and write to the other. Especially when you are talking 20+GB files, after awhile you really start thrashing the disk heads.

It's not a biggie, but it would be smooth. :)

edit: I was thinking this may be a good candidate for a hidden setting. That way the UI of the program would not be effected. Some kind of setting like ROUND_ROBIN_MUX or something, where the source and dest. folders each have a designated subfolder created to alternate the direction of the muxing. It would just be a logical toggle. If the option is active and the source(when I say source I mean the location of the files to be used in the next step of muxing/processing) drive is the same as the drive of the output folder, then use a subfolder of the input folder as output for that mux stage etc... and just swap back and forth.. so that the mux input and output can be on different physical drives. Kind of like a laser bouncing the light off the mirrors at each end of the tube. :)

[Ch3vr0n]

Something new popped into my head that would be very nice if you could implement. I've got 2 internal 1 GB sata drives and 2 external drives, 1 being USB 2.0 the other being e-sata. Now in order to improve recoding/building speed even further i'd love it if you could implement a 3rd destination path to be able to utilise the drives & write speed to the max.

Eg
Source Path:
C:\AnyDVD Backups (HDD1 Folder) (internal drive)
Working Path:
D:\Temp (HDD2 Temp folder) (internal drive)
Destination Path:
Z:\BDRB Iso's (HDD2 destination path) (external e-sata drive)

[setarip_old]

@Ch3vr0n I've got 2 internal 1 GB sata drives

You might want to first get slightly bigger internal drives ;>}

[Capsbackup]

:rolleyes:I'm quite sure he meant 1 TB. :p

[setarip_old]

@Capsbackup

Yes, I'm sure of that...

[deank]

Something new popped into my head ... if you could implement a 3rd destination path to be able to utilise the drives & write speed to the max.

Eg
Source Path:
C:\AnyDVD Backups (HDD1 Folder) (internal drive)
Working Path:
D:\Temp (HDD2 Temp folder) (internal drive)
Destination Path:
Z:\BDRB Iso's (HDD2 destination path) (external e-sata drive)

It doesn't make much sense, because with WORKING (TEMP) and DESTINATION you get what you need. The source folder/drive is your choice anyway :)

Dean

[ferry]

Hallo!
Since years i use the dvdrebuilder-pro and now the BD-Rebuilder.
I use it for my own bluray discs because oft the restrictions made on the disks.
For me the feature of making mkv files is most importend.
So i can play the movies on my dreambox 8000.
BD-Rebuilder is the only one click tool that make files which run on the box proper. Thanks for that.
For me it would be a good feature to have two audio tracks and subtitle tracks directly in the mkv file.
An option to keep the dts-core ( like the option in the "Blurip" program) in the mkv would also be good.

cu

ferry

[MilesAhead]

It doesn't make much sense, because with WORKING (TEMP) and DESTINATION you get what you need. The source folder/drive is your choice anyway :)

Dean

I should have included some of the original feature request with the quote, but I was referring to an old feature request to allow the user to set it up such that the source and destination for muxing not be on the same physical drive. As Dobbs noted, the impact on overall processing time isn't much. But it is smoother and cuts down on thrashing. Plus it is satisfying when you add drives to be able to see them used optimally. :)

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
I have been making full disc backups to BD5/9 of some episodic discs, where keeping the main menu to navigate to the different episodes is important and convenient. My latest series discs are made up of 2 or 3 episodes, approx. 53 minutes per episode. For 2 episodes I use BD5, and BD9 for 3.
These discs have PiP with DTS express with the episodes, and my testing with both BD-RBV03405 and BD-RBV03406, though complete successfully and I have the audio not heard for the main titles, the PiP does not display on my S360.
Is the PiP suppose to display for full disc backups to BD5/9 media?
This PiP is not very important to me anyway, and if I want to see it I can just play the original.
Since there is a way to make these discs audio work on such backups, and unlikely Sony will correct their potentially faulty firmware, would you consider allowing a hidden option or a selectable option for BD5/9 only full backups to not include the PiP? For these two episodes on one disc, it would amount to 348MB of savings for the two PiP.264 files ( No DTS Express included ). :)

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
I have been making full disc backups to BD5/9 of some episodic discs, where keeping the main menu to navigate to the different episodes is important and convenient. My latest series discs are made up of 2 or 3 episodes, approx. 53 minutes per episode. For 2 episodes I use BD5, and BD9 for 3.
These discs have PiP with DTS express with the episodes, and my testing with both BD-RBV03405 and BD-RBV03406, though complete successfully and I have the audio not heard for the main titles, the PiP does not display on my S360.
Is the PiP suppose to display for full disc backups to BD5/9 media?
This PiP is not very important to me anyway, and if I want to see it I can just play the original.
Since there is a way to make these discs audio work on such backups, and unlikely Sony will correct their potentially faulty firmware, would you consider allowing a hidden option or a selectable option for BD5/9 only full backups to not include the PiP? For these two episodes on one disc, it would amount to 348MB of savings for the two PiP.264 files ( No DTS Express included ). :) It still won't work even if you remove the PiP. I'm working on it.

[Ch3vr0n]

It doesn't make much sense, because with WORKING (TEMP) and DESTINATION you get what you need. The source folder/drive is your choice anyway :)

Dean

It does to me. For the sake of it, lets say i ripped a disc to C:\newdisc (I usually rip them to HD first before rebuilding. HDD > BD drive in speed)

If i were to use a working path on the same drive, there would be speed loss & overhead due to the C drive having to both read the source files and write the new ones on the same drive. Would also cause fragmentation issues.

With 2 drives that problem is gone. 1 drive reads, the other writes. No overhead, no speedloss no fragmentation.

Same goes for the end destination. If it has to build an iso back on the 2nd drive, it has to READ from the temp directory and write in an iso on the same drive. Again overhead, speedloss & fragmentation issues.

With a path i can either select the first drive again (that is now idle) to a destination folder, or use a 3rd drive as end path.

My iso's (before i stream them to my HTPC, or burn the backup) are stored in the root of the external drive. I just like the organised look of that process.

Make sense now ?

@ caps & seta: y thx for noticing that typo. They're TB drives y

Actually
2 Samsung spinpoint F1 1TB drives (internal)
1 Iomega 1TB external Drive
1 Maxtor 250GB drive (found an old one lying arround and had a spare enclosure lying arround. Might aswell use the drive eyh :rolleyes:)

[JoeH]

I would also like to see separate source, working, and output folders.

[KarstenS]

Request: Primary and secondary audio language

or

Select at least one audio track.

How to describe why. Uhh. Ok.

I want to rebuild movies in german language as full disk. When I now select in options, that it shall only select german audio tracks, it will do so. The problem is, that not all video files contains german audio (menu, extras...). So there will be no audio track selected and I have to check every videofile by hand and activate at least one (mostly english) audio track.

On the other side, when I set up to select german and english audiotracks, I have to go through all videofiles and deselect the english audiotrack, where a german one is.

Would be nice to have an automatic solution for this.

[Revgen]

jdobbs, is it at all possible for BD-RB to take advantage of CUDA via neuron2's NV decoder - and if it is possible, what would it take for you to implement it?

UNOFFICIAL ANSWER

neuron2's decoder has certain issues with some 3rd party tools.

According to a recent post, ( http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1423942&postcount=2334 ) there's a chance that 3rd party issues may be resolved soon. Cross your fingers.

Hopefully, if all goes well with HCEnc, Staxrip, Megui, etc, perhaps Jdobbs will look into it and allow it as an unsupported hidden option.

[thegame]

Can BD-RB convert 1080p 25fps to 1080p 24 fps? if not this would be cool.
I have a music BD @ 1080p 25 fps and I can't play it:(

[deank]

I think you can do it with my tool (to re-author and re-encode both the menu and the movie/concert).

[setarip_old]

@thegame

Hi!

Perhaps too obvious a question but, why don't you simply return the BluRay disc to the place of purchase in exchange for one with the correct frame rate for your Region?

[gamete]

with bdrebuilder, can i backup bluray 3d movie?

[thegame]

I think you can do it with my tool (to re-author and re-encode both the menu and the movie/concert).

I have never used this software, is there a guide on how to do this re-encode?
Thanks for the tip.

[k-c-ksum]

would it be possible to manually enter a 2 pass average bit rate as imo bdrb alocates to much for the extras. ATM im getting around it by specifying the max disc size as 12/13gig and running the whole disc through with HQ 2 pass. Once this is done i replace the main movie m2ts and clpi file with the original and run it through RB again but put a min m2ts in the ini so only the movie gets encoded and also return the disc size to 23450ish, leaving the already compressed extras alone resulting in some nice looking extras and stellar looking movie :)

[XTREEM|RAGE]

Hi,

One question: Is it possible to make an mkv + .srt subtitles with br_rebuilder? I know you can convert a blu-ray movie+audio to an .mkv container, but can it also make external (.srt) subtitles with it (that show the correct translation of course ;) ).
I'm using using v0.34.07(beta) if it's already in, somebody can point me to the right direction?! If it's not in, then this is a feature request :) (i hope it is possible).

I have always used dvd-rebuilder pro and loved it!

[thegame]

I usually only do movie only BD's, but lately I have been doing full backups, well when I have everything set in my settings to movie only, 1 audio track, no subs, etc. that is fine, but when I click full backup shouldn't BD-RB over-ride my settings and do just that, a full backup with everything? now that is what I think would be nice.

Will there also be an option to keep menu on a movie only BD25 backup?

Thanks

[gamete]

hi guys

[Sharc]

would it be possible to manually enter a 2 pass average bit rate as imo bdrb alocates to much for the extras. .....
If you want reduce the bitrate / quality of the extras you may select 'Mode => "Quicker" Encode for Extras' and insert in rebuilder.ini under the [Options] section
QUICK_CRF=27
(or whatever crf value you want to assign for the Extras).
BD-RB will do the Extras with 1-pass at your specified crf and the main movie will be encoded 2-pass, filling the disc.

[k-c-ksum]

If you want reduce the bitrate / quality of the extras you may select 'Mode => "Quicker" Encode for Extras' and insert in rebuilder.ini under the [Options] section
QUICK_CRF=27
(or whatever crf value you want to assign for the Extras).
BD-RB will do the Extras with 1-pass at your specified crf and the main movie will be encoded 2-pass, filling the disc.

i find a 2pass encode on the extras looks alot better than a crf 1 pass though. i aim for a 25/30% reduction. Would be a nice option to control avg bitrate on 2 pass.

[Sharc]

i find a 2pass encode on the extras looks alot better than a crf 1 pass though.
Quality is matter of the bitrate and encoder settings rather than 1-pass or 2-pass encode. Reduce the crf value for the extras if you want better quality for the extras (at the expense of the main feature)
You may also insert in the rebuilder.ini [Options] section QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1.

[gg72]

One question: if I convert a 1080/24p movie into BD5 or BD9 in 720p, is the output also 24p?

[KarstenS]

Request: Please make 2nd audio track disableable. Actually I can rebuild with no main sound at all. Buit not without 2nd audio.

[Video Dude]

One question: if I convert a 1080/24p movie into BD5 or BD9 in 720p, is the output also 24p?
Yes.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1404803#post1404803

[gg72]

Yes.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1404803#post1404803

OK, thank you! :)

[jdobbs]

One question: if I convert a 1080/24p movie into BD5 or BD9 in 720p, is the output also 24p? Yes. 720p @ 24fps is a legal Blu-ray resolution/rate.

[Edit] Too late with the answer again. :)

[prOnorama]

I'd really like to see a Quick Remux mode for full Blu-ray or just Main Movie when you know it's not exeeding BD-25 filesize.

To determine if a full Blu-ray or main movie will fit on a BD-25 I'd like be able to quickly check this before any processing or demuxing is done, preferably the results shown by a percentage bar which indicates how many % is filled or left. (Also handy for maybe future options in case you want to remux the main movie and remux just a few extras if there's spare room left).

[JoeH]

I'd really like to see a Quick Remux mode for full Blu-ray or just Main Movie when you know it's not exeeding BD-25 filesize.

To determine if a full Blu-ray or main movie will fit on a BD-25 I'd like be able to quickly check this before any processing or demuxing is done, preferably the results shown by a percentage bar which indicates how many % is filled or left. (Also handy for maybe future options in case you want to remux the main movie and remux just a few extras if there's spare room left).

+1
:thanks:

[JJB]

I have a request to add to the alternate movie only output the ability to convert to a regular compliant DVD.
I have one blu-ray player in my home theater room but have 2 regular DVD players in other rooms. When the grand kids and their friends come over I want to let them watch movies elsewhere.

I normally process the movie to a BD5 or 9 and then would like to convert to a SD DVD.

I have tried multiAvchd many, many times and the audio is always out of sync. Could be me but I tried every option and still the same. Maybe because it's pre-processed by BDRebuilder, just guessing.

I have tried trial versions of ConvertXtoDVD and many others that seemed to work quiet well during their crippleware/shareware limitations but I would rather give Jdobbs the $50 + dollars instead of an off shore company.

[MilesAhead]

I have a request to add to the alternate movie only output the ability to convert to a regular compliant DVD.
I have one blu-ray player in my home theater room but have 2 regular DVD players in other rooms. When the grand kids and their friends come over I want to let them watch movies elsewhere.

I normally process the movie to a BD5 or 9 and then would like to convert to a SD DVD.

I have tried multiAvchd many, many times and the audio is always out of sync. Could be me but I tried every option and still the same. Maybe because it's pre-processed by BDRebuilder, just guessing.

I have tried trial versions of ConvertXtoDVD and many others that seemed to work quiet well during their crippleware/shareware limitations but I would rather give Jdobbs the $50 + dollars instead of an off shore company.

See my post at the bottom of this thread for how I do it. The step I left out is using BDRB or another software to create the main movie .mkv file. If you are not concerned with menus then this technique works very well.


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155514

edit: for a one-click solution you may try DVD Flick. In the project settings for Video Encoding, Advanced section there's a checkbox for 3:2 pulldown. HC Enc has this setting also. Often when a converter gets audio out of sync it's changing the frame rate instead of applying pulldown. Seems I remember DVD Flick worked well for MKV to DVD.. it's just not the fastest.

[omegaman7]

A good feature (In my opinion) would be the capability to tell rebuilder to alter the playback scheme(Navigation). E.g. Jump to main menu upon insertion. I usually do this with DVD Fab, however lately I've been noticing it does things that it should not. With the movie "Cars" it removed 1 minute of video that I did not tell it to. Its as though it thought it was removing unreferenced material.
I often remove (Blank) trailers from the OLDER movies. And when there are multiple trailers, unfortunately the title/track mark is left intact. When in a dvd player, it plays back literally blank titles. Which can take some time. You can here the dvd player working, but it takes time to get to the menu. Hence why I have Dvd Fab alter the playback scheme. Or perhaps you have a different idea?

[JJB]

See my post at the bottom of this thread for how I do it. The step I left out is using BDRB or another software to create the main movie .mkv file. If you are not concerned with menus then this technique works very well.


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155514

edit: for a one-click solution you may try DVD Flick. In the project settings for Video Encoding, Advanced section there's a checkbox for 3:2 pulldown. HC Enc has this setting also. Often when a converter gets audio out of sync it's changing the frame rate instead of applying pulldown. Seems I remember DVD Flick worked well for MKV to DVD.. it's just not the fastest.

Thanks, MilesAhead for your response. I know there are many pieces of freeware that will do what I want but I was looking to keep minimal installations down with different converts and sort of keep it the "Family", if ya know what I mean.

The ability to do a Blu-Ray\AVCHD(in any flavor) and alternate output back to back in a batch format would be great.

Thanks again!

[jdobbs]

Thanks, MilesAhead for your response. I know there are many pieces of freeware that will do what I want but I was looking to keep minimal installations down with different converts and sort of keep it the "Family", if ya know what I mean.

The ability to do a Blu-Ray\AVCHD(in any flavor) and alternate output back to back in a batch format would be great.

Thanks again! Whay can't you do a blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate back-to-back in batch? Are you saying it doesn't work now?

[Vulcan94]

Is it possible to get both the standard output and alternate output (ie. mkv container) without having to encode twice? I have plenty of HD space so that won't be a problem.


Vulcan

[JJB]

Is it possible to get both the standard output and alternate output (ie. mkv container) without having to encode twice? I have plenty of HD space so that won't be a problem.


Vulcan

I guess that was what I was was talking about but I may not have put It that way but to add SD DVD output.

Again my request is to be able to to a DVD output without converting to one of the Alternative Outputs then re-converting with just a one click mode to DVD.

It may not sound right but...Duh It's just me.

Thanks!

[JJB]

Whay can't you do a blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate back-to-back in batch? Are you saying it doesn't work now?

Yes, but not a SD DVD output.

Thanks!

[jdobbs]

Hello, i do movie only backups for keeping on my hard drive, i was just wondering if an option could be added to let bd-rb use a specified bitrate for the video (rather than calculating a custom size) & keep hd audio at the same time.

Thanks Sounds reasonable.

[jdobbs]

Yes, but not a SD DVD output.

Thanks! ???? I'm confused. You were talking about MKV output. That's not DVD? You can output as many different MKV formats as you want. Are you asking that I add a 720x480/576 output size for MKV?

[JJB]

???? I'm confused. You were talking about MKV output. That's not DVD? You can output as many different MKV formats as you want. Are you asking that I add a 720x480/576 output size for MKV?

I am very sorry if my request is not as clearly stated as it should be.

1. I can now create an AVCHD movie for BD5/9 from BD-Rebuilder

2. I would like to to be able to create a SD DVD through the Alternate format menu separately or batch,from the resulting output of the BD5/9 from bd-rebuilder or the original rip, it doesn't matter.

3. I currently re-convert the BD5/9 to a mkv with BD-Rebuilder and process it through convertxtodvd(trial mode) or avi2dvd with varying results in the output mostly out of sync or size problems.

If I did not present it clearly enough then please just drop the request as I most likely would only do this occasionally for a small amount of movies for the Grandkids.

Thanks!

[jdobbs]

I am very sorry if my request is not as clearly stated as it should be.

1. I can now create an AVCHD movie for BD5/9 from BD-Rebuilder

2. I would like to to be able to create a SD DVD through the Alternate format menu separately or batch,from the resulting output of the BD5/9 from bd-rebuilder or the original rip, it doesn't matter.

3. I currently re-convert the BD5/9 to a mkv with BD-Rebuilder and process it through convertxtodvd(trial mode) or avi2dvd with varying results in the output mostly out of sync or size problems.

If I did not present it clearly enough then please just drop the request as I most likely would only do this occasionally for a small amount of movies for the Grandkids.

Thanks! Oh, I see. You just want to have another alternate output option call "DVD" (in addition to MP4 and MKV) that would create a movie-only DVD. Hmmm... it might be a while, but that's doable.

[A.Fenderson]

Oh, I see. You just want to have another alternate output option call "DVD" (in addition to MP4 and MKV) that would create a movie-only DVD.

+1. That would be very cool.

[Vulcan94]

Whay can't you do a blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate back-to-back in batch? Are you saying it doesn't work now?

So you are saying that to get both blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate I would have to do an encode for each format? Rats! I was hoping there was an easier way to do this. At least the batch mode will let me get it done while I'm sleeping.


Vulcan94

[JJB]

Oh, I see. You just want to have another alternate output option call "DVD" (in addition to MP4 and MKV) that would create a movie-only DVD. Hmmm... it might be a while, but that's doable.

Yes Sir, that was the request, sorry about the rest.

Thank You!

[MilesAhead]

...

3. I currently re-convert the BD5/9 to a mkv with BD-Rebuilder and process it through convertxtodvd(trial mode) or avi2dvd with varying results in the output mostly out of sync or size problems.



Until JDobbs incorporates this feature I can make a suggestion. Use MakeMKV to generate an .mkv from the rip. Then feed it to HCenc using an .avs script as I mentioned. If you need to convert DTS to AC3 just use Popcorn Audio Converter before demuxing the audio track. The audio out of sync issues are nearly always due to using a one click DVD encoder.

[jdobbs]

Until JDobbs incorporates this feature I can make a suggestion. Use MakeMKV to generate an .mkv from the rip. Then feed it to HCenc using an .avs script as I mentioned. If you need to convert DTS to AC3 just use Popcorn Audio Converter before demuxing the audio track. The audio out of sync issues are nearly always due to using a one click DVD encoder. It'll be in the next release. I'm working on it now.

[MilesAhead]

It'll be in the next release. I'm working on it now.

That will be interesting to see. I get very good quality with HC but sizing down extends the processing time quite a bit. I'll have to give it a go with the next BDRB release to satisfy my curiosity. :)

[JJB]

Until JDobbs incorporates this feature I can make a suggestion. Use MakeMKV to generate an .mkv from the rip. Then feed it to HCenc using an .avs script as I mentioned. If you need to convert DTS to AC3 just use Popcorn Audio Converter before demuxing the audio track. The audio out of sync issues are nearly always due to using a one click DVD encoder.

MilesAhead, Thanks a bunch for your recommendations, but I was looking for an "Old Man" 1 click solution for converting without multiple steps.

I don't have a need for the other alternative formats but could use a movie only DVD format, even only used occasionally.

Your Info was quite informative and thanks again for your suggestion!!

Yes, I do have a phone that can play the other formats but I just use it as a phone...

Thanks to Everyone!!!

[MilesAhead]

MilesAhead, Thanks a bunch for your recommendations, but I was looking for an "Old Man" 1 click solution for converting without multiple steps.


If you find one that can input .mkv and output standard DVD that works over 90% of the time please post back. I haven't. That's why I've taken to doing it manually. I get pretty close to 100% success rate.

The bit about the phone I don't have no clue. :eek:

[setarip_old]

@JJB

Presently, you can use multiAVCHD to compress and convert your ripped Blu-ray "movie only" to a standard DVD with literally two or three clicks...

[Sharc]

It'll be in the next release. I'm working on it now.
Does it mean the 'normal' blu-ray backup plus an mpeg2 / AC3 encode, authored to DVD file structure, including framerate conversion for PAL or NTSC for movie, audio and subtitles?

[Dirk Diggler]

We should be able to remove queued items after the batch encode has started

[jdobbs]

Does it mean the 'normal' blu-ray backup plus an mpeg2 / AC3 encode, authored to DVD file structure, including framerate conversion for PAL or NTSC for movie, audio and subtitles? It will make a simple movie-only backup of a blu-ray feature to DVD. Nothing more, nothing less. It's so someone who buys an expensive blu-ray disc for his living room theater can still play the film on the bedroom DVD player. My intent is not to turn a simple feature into a project in-and-of itself. Having spent three years on DVD Rebuilder I know the list of DVD "nice-to-haves" could be never ending.

[Sharc]

It will make a simple movie-only backup of a blu-ray feature to DVD. Nothing more, nothing less.
Perfect. I was more wondering about PAL-DVD player compliance (50i) because most blu-ray sources are 23.976p which has its roots in NTSC standards.
Looking forward :)

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I apologize if this has already been asked for but I've love to see an preset option choice that is the inverse of the movie-only backup option. What I mean by that is have the backup consist of the the menus and everything but the movie, itself. This would be useful for those who break a backup up and span two discs. Have the movie on one disc and the bonus content on the other. If it has been mentioned then, again, I apologize. I just haven't seen it.

Keep up the great work, jdobbs. You did amazing stuff with DVD Rebuilder and now we have BD Rebuilder. :)

[jdobbs]

Perfect. I was more wondering about PAL-DVD player compliance (50i) because most blu-ray sources are 23.976p which has its roots in NTSC standards.
Looking forward :) Yeah, that's an issue. I've included an option to specify PAL. That way the 23.976 sources will be converted to 25fps.

[JoeH]

Glad to hear DVD output is coming soon. I hope it includes the DVD language codes for the audio and subtitles tracks which are converted. Thanks for a great program.

[Cupidjones]

HI Jobbs,
Any progress on being able to keep DTS-Express in the rebuild? Thanks!

[jdobbs]

Glad to hear DVD output is coming soon. I hope it includes the DVD language codes for the audio and subtitles tracks which are converted. Thanks for a great program. It does for audio. The first iteration won't include subtitles -- that should come shortly.

[jdobbs]

HI Jobbs,
Any progress on being able to keep DTS-Express in the rebuild? Thanks!Progress yes. Ready to go, no.

[MilesAhead]

It does for audio. The first iteration won't include subtitles -- that should come shortly.

I'm curious if you are going to utilize a multi-core approach similar to DVD-RB Pro or is it a new implementation using different encoders? Lately I've been looking through FAVC scripts to see if I can just purloin video only multi-instance HC Enc processing. But if you are taking a multi-core approach then I'd just wait and use the more polished techniques instead of hacking together some batch files. :)

[jdobbs]

DVD-RB Pro already takes advantage of multiple cores, even using encoders that don't inherently do so. In fact that's what "multiple instances" is for... Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

[MilesAhead]

DVD-RB Pro already takes advantage of multiple cores, even using encoders that don't inherently do so. In fact that's what "multiple instances" is for... Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

When you said you would incorporate standard DVD output into BDRB I thought you might move that code over, or a modified version of it. For squashing DVD9 into DVD5 I use DVD-RB. But for HD mkv to standard DVD I'm using an .avs script and HC Enc "by hand" so to speak. Works fine but it's only using one copy of HC. With the sizing down to 720x480 a 2 hour flick takes about 4 hours of processing time on my quad.

I'm just curious. I'm sure however you design it the throughput will be there. :)

[omegaman7]

Would it be possible (Much like Dvd Rebuilder) to have the output option during Rebuild??? I suspect this will help with completion times(For those with multi drive configurations), as well as minimize fragmentation.

[setarip_old]

@omegaman7

Hi!

For the rest of us please, what is "the output option"?

[omegaman7]

Sorta like this(If you'll excuse the crudity. Had to slap it together quickly). If you run Dvd rebuilder, I think you'll understand ;)
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/omegaman7/BdrebuilderWishlist.png

[Ch3vr0n]

@omegaman7: this has already been suggested a few times (i'm one of them) and its on the to do list

[omegaman7]

Whoops. I apologize then. Perhaps I should read all 27 pages then :S

[Giljorak]

Would it be possible (Much like Dvd Rebuilder) to have the output option during Rebuild??? I suspect this will help with completion times(For those with multi drive configurations), as well as minimize fragmentation.

After using both DVD-RB & BD-RB today I was just thinking of requesting this same feature for BD-RB.

I'm glad it is already on the list.

[JJB]

Whoops. I apologize then. Perhaps I should read all 27 pages then :S

I think Jdobbs is like the rest of us when it comes to priority....He will get around to it when he can, especially if he thinks it is an important request and will make BDRB a better piece of software!!

[MilesAhead]

Whoops. I apologize then. Perhaps I should read all 27 pages then :S

I'm just curious what you used for the after screen shot.
Looks pretty neat. :)

[omegaman7]

I'm addicted to photoshop LOL! Though MS paint could have done a similar job. Minus the glowing text of course ;)

[laserfan]

This has probably been mentioned before, perhaps even many times, but along with "movie only" mode, BD-RB needs "Everything but the feature" mode. One disc for the movie, one disc for the menus & extras.

[MilesAhead]

It may be too soon to ask, but for to do list, maybe a hidden option to enable HCencode Best Profile when using standard dvd output?

I really have no desire to tweak the other settings. Best profile output has just that extra bit of color/gloss to it. :)

[jdobbs]

It may be too soon to ask, but for to do list, maybe a hidden option to enable HCencode Best Profile when using standard dvd output?

I really have no desire to tweak the other settings. Best profile output has just that extra bit of color/gloss to it. :) No problem, I can add that. I was torn as to whether to use it as the default -- but for most movie-only encodes it seemed to be overkill.

[MilesAhead]

No problem, I can add that. I was torn as to whether to use it as the default -- but for most movie-only encodes it seemed to be overkill.

Thank you. Originally I wanted it because I was using .mkv as input when doing HCgui manually. When configured for BDRB I got errors. It dawned on me to use .m2ts as input instead. That works fine. Still, it is nice to just click on BDRB and have the audio and everything taken care of automatically. :)

[MilesAhead]

Thanks for HC encode profile hidden option. Just some feedback. I did a run of a 2 hour 2 minute BluRay source to dvd5 using BEST profile. Output size was 4.25 GB. Processing time on my quad was just a bit over the run time of the movie(and that was with burning in subs using VobSub.) The output looks fine on casual perusal. Haven't watched the film through yet.

I know it varies with the input but it seems like my manual encodes using HCgui tended to take longer. The difference in settings was Spline16Resize instead of BilinearResize and DC precision of 10. I think the DC Prec. setting was slowing me down to no good purpose. DC 9 output looks just as good. :)

[jdobbs]

Thanks for HC encode profile hidden option. Just some feedback. I did a run of a 2 hour 2 minute BluRay source to dvd5 using BEST profile. Output size was 4.25 GB. Processing time on my quad was just a bit over the run time of the movie(and that was with burning in subs using VobSub.) The output looks fine on casual perusal. Haven't watched the film through yet.

I know it varies with the input but it seems like my manual encodes using HCgui tended to take longer. The difference in settings was Spline16Resize instead of BilinearResize and DC precision of 10. I think the DC Prec. setting was slowing me down to no good purpose. DC 9 output looks just as good. :) My experience is that when resizing downward Bilinear or Bicubic does a better job. If resizing upward, Lanczos or Spline does a better job.

[omegaman7]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but how about not ending the entire batch process because of one error? Just because one job fails, doesn't mean future jobs will ;) Unless I'm mistaken, dvd rebuilder behaves this way as well. Been a while since Dvd rebuilder has errored...

[jdobbs]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but how about not ending the entire batch process because of one error? Just because one job fails, doesn't mean future jobs will ;) Unless I'm mistaken, dvd rebuilder behaves this way as well. Been a while since Dvd rebuilder has errored... For most errors BD Rebuilder will not stop (except that job) during batch. But when the error is reported by the O/S, BD-RB has no control over it, and is simply waiting for the O/S to return control. Not sure what kind of error you've run into.

[omegaman7]

Another thread suggested this was due to rebuilder attempting to reference audio that didn't exist, or was simply not present. This was the error. Since the error is generated by Bd rebuilder, perhaps it can forgo notifying the OS, and continue with the batch mode ;)
- [06:21:42] Reencoding: VID_00338, Pass 1 of 1
- [06:31:39] Video Encode complete
- [06:31:39] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [06:31:40] ReencodeAudio() 00075 1801
[09:43:56] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
[09:43:56] BATCH ABORTED...

[MilesAhead]

My experience is that when resizing downward Bilinear or Bicubic does a better job. If resizing upward, Lanczos or Spline does a better job.

Thanks for the tip. I tried a couple of manual encodes with HCgui and avs script with SetMTMode(2,0) at the top, using bilinear. The results were good with a bit higher fps throughput at slightly lower core utilization. I should have explored AviSynth in more depth earlier. There's a wealth of stuff there.

[user822]

i have the feeling that resolution is not taken care of in the bitrate calculation

would be nice to fix/improve!

[jdobbs]

i have the feeling that resolution is not taken care of in the bitrate calculation

would be nice to fix/improve! I have not idea what that means.

[camj1970]

I am a long time user of dvdshrink for backing up my dvd collection. I have migrated to bd-rebuilder, and am loving it. I would like to see a feature to edit the content of the movie like you have in dvdshrink. With my movies I have edited out the credits and other extraneous parts of the main movie I don't want to see. Would this be possible with bd-rebuilder?

[jdobbs]

I am a long time user of dvdshrink for backing up my dvd collection. I have migrated to bd-rebuilder, and am loving it. I would like to see a feature to edit the content of the movie like you have in dvdshrink. With my movies I have edited out the credits and other extraneous parts of the main movie I don't want to see. Would this be possible with bd-rebuilder? That'll come in future versions.

[k-c-ksum]

how easy/hard would it be to enable an option to reduce bitrate in a similar way to dvd rebuilder in that you could preview a title then reduce/increase the bitrate and then allocate the savings to another title?

[jdobbs]

how easy/hard would it be to enable an option to reduce bitrate in a similar way to dvd rebuilder in that you could preview a title then reduce/increase the bitrate and then allocate the savings to another title? Maybe... but, honestly, I'm trying to keep the complexity to a managable level. The biggest criticism I've gotten for DVD Rebuilder is that the number of features makes it confusing to some people. It does everything, but apparently there is a downside to "doing everything".

[k-c-ksum]

Maybe... but, honestly, I'm trying to keep the complexity to a managable level. The biggest criticism I've gotten for DVD Rebuilder is that the number of features makes it confusing to some people. It does everything, but apparently there is a downside to "doing everything".


dvd rebuilder was a tweakers paradise, loved that app :)

maybe an option at start up - standard or tweakers version?

would be really handy on episodic disc so you could select the extras from the main episodes and reduce there bitrates

[omegaman7]

That probably depends on how much donations help him ;) Given my smooth experience, he can count on a good donation from me, in the not too distant future.

[Bob Wya]

Maybe... but, honestly, I'm trying to keep the complexity to a managable level. The biggest criticism I've gotten for DVD Rebuilder is that the number of features makes it confusing to some people. It does everything, but apparently there is a downside to "doing everything".

Well maybe those people should be sat down in front of Sonic Scenarist or "The GIMP". I am sure they would soon change their tune! :readfaq:

Bob

[chipvideo]

I was wondering if you could give us an option to have like a 3 pass for video encoding like we had when using cce.

[jdobbs]

I was wondering if you could give us an option to have like a 3 pass for video encoding like we had when using cce. I can do it easy enough... but it really doesn't accomplish anything. After the first pass you have everything you need to allocate perfectly for the second pass. Additional passes are more placebo and salesmanship than anything really useful.

[user822]

you could allow weightp as custom tweak since it is allowed in the bluray spec:

Most options after "tune" are required by the spec.

--weightp 0 is not, but there are known bugged Blu-ray player chipsets (Mediatek, notably) that will decode video with --weightp 1 or 2 incorrectly.

read here: http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=commit;h=c6de86497cdd7b7f3cce7d8a95d723c7d0c9f505

and it seems to be patched already on those problematic chips, read here: http://doom10.org/index.php?topic=941.0

[chipvideo]

I can do it easy enough... but it really doesn't accomplish anything. After the first pass you have everything you need to allocate perfectly for the second pass. Additional passes are more placebo and salesmanship than anything really useful.

Ok. sounds like a waste of time then. I'm cool with that. The encoders must have gotten much better over the years.

[Dark Shikari]

you could allow weightp as custom tweak since it is allowed in the bluray spec:



read here: http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=commit;h=c6de86497cdd7b7f3cce7d8a95d723c7d0c9f505

and it seems to be patched already on those problematic chips, read here: http://doom10.org/index.php?topic=941.0Better to just set --weightp 1 as default; it should work on all Blu-ray players, even the broken ones, as of the latest x264.

[Video Dude]

you could allow weightp as custom tweak since it is allowed in the bluray spec

I believe jdobbs has already enabled this.

Take a look at the HIDDENOPTS.TXT readme file that comes with BD-RB, it lists WEIGHTP=n as an option. The default is 0, but you could change it.

Good to hear from Dark Shikari that --weightp 1 is compatible.

[jdobbs]

I believe jdobbs has already enabled this.

Take a look at the HIDDENOPTS.TXT readme file that comes with BD-RB, it lists WEIGHTP=n as an option. The default is 0, but you could change it.

Good to hear from Dark Shikari that --weightp 1 is compatible. Unfortunately, though, if you set WEIGHTP in the INI it will only stop BD-RB from setting it to "0" -- and the X264 default is 2, not 1.

I'll change the hidden option in the next release so that setting WEIGHTP=1 will change also set it to "1".

[Dark Shikari]

Unfortunately, though, if you set WEIGHTP in the INI it will only stop BD-RB from setting it to "0" -- and the X264 default is 2, not 1.

I'll change the hidden option in the next release so that setting WEIGHTP=1 will change also set it to "1".Why not just default to 1?

[jdobbs]

Why not just default to 1? Is it positive that it won't cause any issues on any players? If so, I'll change it to the default.

[Dark Shikari]

Is it positive that it won't cause any issues on any players? If so, I'll change it to the default.99% sure.

[jdobbs]

I just changed it to the default... if there are any issues on any players I'm sure I'll hear about it. :)

[Sharc]

If I got it right BD-RB seems to stick to --ref 3. I cannot change it with TWEAK_PASS_x, like --ref 4 for 1080 or --ref 6 for 720 for example which would be blu-ray compliant as far as I understand.
Is this something to consider for future release?

[jdobbs]

If I got it right BD-RB seems to stick to --ref 3. I cannot change it with TWEAK_PASS_x, like --ref 4 for 1080 or --ref 6 for 720 for example which would be blu-ray compliant as far as I understand.
Is this something to consider for future release? BD-RB always uses "--ref 4" because that is the max for 1080 and 99.99% of all original blu-ray features are 1080p. It never uses "--ref 3". It does, however, use "--ref 2" if you have the HDDVD_COMPLIANT switch set.

"--ref 6" is the maximum for 720p -- but isn't required for compliancy. "--ref 4" is compliant.

[Sharc]

BD-RB always uses "--ref 4" ..... It never uses "--ref 3".....
Hmmm, are you really sure? Media Info reports always ref=3 for BD-RB encoded files. (I usually do 720p 2-pass encodes).

For comparison: when I do x264 enocdes manually, Media Info reports the ref according to my settings, i.e. 4 or 6, according to my --ref settings.
I am confused ....:confused:

[jdobbs]

Hmmm, are you really sure? Media Info reports always ref=3 for BD-RB encoded files. (I usually do 720p 2-pass encodes).

For comparison: when I do x264 enocdes manually, Media Info reports the ref according to my settings, i.e. 4 or 6, according to my --ref settings.
I am confused ....:confused: I stand corrected:

"--ref 3" is never set manually by BD Rebuilder. But it is the default for X264, so it can be there when it isn't manually set by BD-RB. BD-RB only manually sets it when the default for a preset would make it non-compliant or for HDDVD_COMPLIANT. So, yes, it can be "3". That's compliant, but not optimal. I'll take a look at changing that so that it always defaults to "4". While I'm at it, I'll see about setting it to "6" for 720p also.

[Sharc]

Thanks :)

[jdobbs]

Thanks :) I've changed it for the next release. Since BD-RB's encodes are always either Level 4.0 or Level 4.1, a ref of 6 is legal for all output sizes except 1080. So I've set "--ref 6" for all but 1080, which uses "--ref 4". I've also added a hidden option that can force the value to 4 for all encodes (just in case I find a non-compliant player somewhere that doesn't like 6).

[shon3i]

Hmmm, are you really sure? Media Info reports always ref=3 for BD-RB encoded files. (I usually do 720p 2-pass encodes).

For comparison: when I do x264 enocdes manually, Media Info reports the ref according to my settings, i.e. 4 or 6, according to my --ref settings.
I am confused ....:confused:
it's because b-pyramid, and it's completly fine.

I'll see about setting it to "6" for 720p also. Well it's completly compilant and usualy 720p encodes goes to DVD5, why not give possibility for more quality.

[Sharc]

So '--b-pyramid strict' could also be added per default?

[jdobbs]

So '--b-pyramid strict' could also be added per default? "--b-pyramid strict" is the default now. You can turn it off by setting B_PYRAMID=0 in the INI.

[CV91913]

The "Use X264's internal LAVF" and "IVTC sources" options were added to the setup options a few versions ago. I have not set these options as yet. Can you give me some pro's and con's to setting these options as my defaults? Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Pros for LAVF
1. LAVF will in most cases be faster
2. LAVF will use the 64 bit version of X264 on a 64 bit O/S
Cons for LAVF
1. LAVF can't handle some sources and AVS will be used anyway
2. You can't use filters with LAVF -- so BD-RB will ignore it when they are selected
3. You can't do some resizing, any deinterlacing, and IVTC with LAVF -- so BD-RB will ignore it when they are selected
4. Since BD-RB is making decisions based on LAVF capabilities -- you're never positive which encoder/method is in use

Pros for IVTC
1. You'll get better quality on PULLDOWN sources -- because of lower framerate at encode
Cons for IVTC
1. Has no effect on PAL sources.
2. Might slow down the encode a little
3. Some PC CODECs don't handle pulldown output very well during playback.

[CV91913]

Pros for LAVF
1. LAVF will in most cases be faster
2. LAVF will use the 64 bit version of X264 on a 64 bit O/S
Cons for LAVF
1. LAVF can't handle some sources and AVS will be used anyway
2. You can't use filters with LAVF -- so BD-RB will ignore it when they are selected
3. You can't do some resizing, any deinterlacing, and IVTC with LAVF -- so BD-RB will ignore it when they are selected
4. Since BD-RB is making decisions based on LAVF capabilities -- you're never positive which encoder/method is in use

Pros for IVTC
1. You'll get better quality on PULLDOWN sources -- because of lower framerate at encode
Cons for IVTC
1. Has no effect on PAL sources.
2. Might slow down the encode a little
3. Some PC CODECs don't handle pulldown output very well during playback.

jdobbs...Thanks for the quick informative response. If I understand you correctly, turning on LAVF seems to only have positive effects (I do have 64 bit OS) and won't be used if not appropriate. As for IVTC...if set, will it only be used if necessary?

Thanks again

[jdobbs]

jdobbs...Thanks for the quick informative response. If I understand you correctly, turning on LAVF seems to only have positive effects (I do have 64 bit OS) and won't be used if not appropriate. As for IVTC...if set, will it only be used if necessary?

Thanks againCorrect.

[CV91913]

Correct.

Great...thanks again.

[The_Unknown]

I'd also like to request a feature: Could you please make the main window resizeable so that you can see more of the treeview? Now the window is quiet tiny ;)

[Sharc]

BD-RB/ALTERNATE Mode to DVD-5 (mpeg-2):
Presently the default matrix MPEG is used by HCenc.
I would suggest to use the built-in FOX3 matrix (*MATRIX fox3) as it is IMO better suited with respect to detail retention vs blocking for (normally) high quality Blu-ray sources.

[Hobojobo]

Is it (already) possible to handle audio streams of the same type differently?
For example, I have got two DTS audio streams, and I want to keep the default one as DTS and reencode the second DTS stream to AC3.
Or even an option to reencode all but the default audio stream?

:thanks:

[jdobbs]

Is it (already) possible to handle audio streams of the same type differently?
For example, I have got two DTS audio streams, and I want to keep the default one as DTS and reencode the second DTS stream to AC3.
Or even an option to reencode all but the default audio stream?

:thanks:Not currently. But it may happen in a future version.

[vamsiklak]

HI FELLOWS
I have a question
in bd-rebuilder there's an option sd to 720p
what does it mean
sd from dvd ,vob format
or 480i/p from bluray disc
please help
thankyou

[jdobbs]

480i or 576i from a blu-ray disc. BD Rebuilder doesn't accept DVD as input.

[Capsbackup]

It would be welcome if there were an easier way to select an audio stream to keep/remove from multi-m2ts full movie backups. Since some of these type of movies can have 20+ m2ts files, and some can have several audio tracks.. descriptive track, commentary tracks, etc... keeping the main movie's audio track and a directors commentary track can be quite cumbersome selecting or deselecting each m2ts appropriately.
Keeping one per language means selecting the alternative desired for each m2ts, where keeping all per language may mean deselecting several for each m2ts.
Perhaps an association per playlist on these multi-m2ts backups, where selecting a track from the largest one BD-RB sees applies to all m2ts files in that playlist?

[jdobbs]

It would be welcome if there were an easier way to select an audio stream to keep/remove from multi-m2ts full movie backups. Since some of these type of movies can have 20+ m2ts files, and some can have several audio tracks.. descriptive track, commentary tracks, etc... keeping the main movie's audio track and a directors commentary track can be quite cumbersome selecting or deselecting each m2ts appropriately.
Keeping one per language means selecting the alternative desired for each m2ts, where keeping all per language may mean deselecting several for each m2ts.
Perhaps an association per playlist on these multi-m2ts backups, where selecting a track from the largest one BD-RB sees applies to all m2ts files in that playlist? How about if I make it so that if you select or deselect from an M2TS that is part of a multi-part playlist, it will do the same for all the other parts?

[Capsbackup]

How about if I make it so that if you select or deselect from an M2TS that is part of a multi-part playlist, it will do the same for all the other parts?

Yes, that would be perfect! If only I could have said it so short and precise. :)

[JoeH]

jdobbs,
I think as well it would be interesting to have a view of the "tracks" that are in a BD that is more like what EAC3TO / Stream extractor (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141829) offer, where you see the different playlists.

For me the biggest disadvantage of BD-Rebuilder has always been that the view of so many files is too complicated.

I suppose there must be some reason for the current setup - maybe there could be two modes, a "playlist" mode and a "file" mode, if the "file" mode is usefull for some.

[chudm]

Is it (already) possible to handle audio streams of the same type differently?
For example, I have got two DTS audio streams, and I want to keep the default one as DTS and reencode the second DTS stream to AC3.
Or even an option to reencode all but the default audio stream?

:thanks:

jdobbs maybe, can you let us compress only 1 audio (like pcm to ac3) and we could keep the dts hd :D ? it could be possible right?

[jdobbs]

jdobbs maybe, can you let us compress only 1 audio (like pcm to ac3) and we could keep the dts hd :D ? it could be possible right? You can do that now. Select "Keep HD" from the SETUP page, and then add KEEP_HD_LPCM=0 to your INI file. It will keep all HD except LPCM, and LPCM will be converted to AC3.

[omegaman7]

Something that should be implemented in every software that requires a great deal of time to process, is the ability to instruct the program exactly what time to begin the job. Lets say you're running a program that's using a great deal of process strength. Your next job requires it too, and possibly the same hard drives. But it's bed time. You have a pretty good idea when the first program is gonna finish. So tell BD rebuilder to begin in 30 minutes. Or an exact time even. Though all that would really be needed is a specific length of time. Start in 10 minutes, start in 20 minutes, etc. :)

[jdobbs]

jdobbs,
I think as well it would be interesting to have a view of the "tracks" that are in a BD that is more like what EAC3TO / Stream extractor (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141829) offer, where you see the different playlists.

For me the biggest disadvantage of BD-Rebuilder has always been that the view of so many files is too complicated.

I suppose there must be some reason for the current setup - maybe there could be two modes, a "playlist" mode and a "file" mode, if the "file" mode is usefull for some. I've thought about that before, but displaying it by Playlist would be much more complicated. You could have M2TS files that are part of two or more different playlists... you could have a single point in time that could branch out to multiple M2TS files and reconverge. You can have 6 playlists that all represent the same film... and there is much more.

I prefer it the way it is. You see what is going to be processed in the order it is going to be processed -- and each M2TS/CLPI combination is represented only once.

[chudm]

You can do that now. Select "Keep HD" from the SETUP page, and then add KEEP_HD_LPCM=0 to your INI file. It will keep all HD except LPCM, and LPCM will be converted to AC3.

thx! :)

[The_Unknown]

Is there any plan to implement nVidia CUDA support? I just encoded a disk using DVDFab and it's really fast (I hope the result is satisfying, too ;)). I would love to see CUDA support in BD-RB.

[jdobbs]

Nope. I don't believe in locking into a product, and never will. Experiment as you wish, but I think you'll find that nothing can compete with X264 for quality/speed.

[The_Unknown]

Mhm, indeed the result of DVDFab was not satisfying. The encoding took "only" about 2 hours but the quality is pretty bad afterwards (and in addition: the DTS Express (in-movie-experience) doesn't work as well). BD Rebuilder is still the best solution :) I hope that soon there will be a way to keep the in-movie-experience audio track.

[jdobbs]

Mhm, indeed the result of DVDFab was not satisfying. The encoding took "only" about 2 hours but the quality is pretty bad afterwards (and in addition: the DTS Express (in-movie-experience) doesn't work as well). BD Rebuilder is still the best solution :) I hope that soon there will be a way to keep the in-movie-experience audio track. Soon.

[The_Unknown]

That sounds great. Are you able to make a guess what "soon" could mean in days, weeks or months?

P.S.: I think you'll get a donation of mine for your great work! ;)

[sreemv]

couple of quick questions/requests on some feature enhancements:

1] Is it possible to do Full backup with a few selected things removed?
2] Can we add/replace an audio/sub track in any mode?

[jfcarbel]

One other feature request would be the ability to select a frame and have it cut out the video from that frame forward or backward in order to cut the end or starting credits. Tsmuxer supports this and it seems to be working well in multiAVCHD.

Another nice feature - Ability to create a bonus materials DVD-5/DVD-9 BD, that is, everything but the main movie and keeping menus.

[m1482]

One request to make this program even better may be to have the ability to have a AC3 passthrough option and adding subtitles when using the "iPad alternate MP4 HD output option". The actual option gaves me excellent video quality when using Apple TV (better than Handbrake). New Apple TV can pass AC3 streams and multiple subtitles.

jdobbs, thanks for this excellent program !!!

[laserfan]

I tried BD-RB with a series disc, four 1080p 50min episodes on a DVD+R DL, but while the target bitrate was decent at about 4400 each, I got some noticeable GOP pulsing on playback. I had tried to use my normal settings for lower bitrate programs, via TWEAK_PASS_ONE/TWO, but BD-RB trumped --keyint 48 --rc-lookahead 50 (would result in 48) for BD-content-on-DVD, instead forcing these to 24. Maybe the problem? in any case...

1. According to member shon3i (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154533) 48 frames per GOP is legal for a 24p program on DVD; could you allow that please for DVD output, or

2. Just leave the user's TWEAK settings alone and let us shoot ourselves in the foot/head if we want? ;)

I know jdobbs you do not wish to allow the TWEAK settings at all, but since you note X264 Tweak(s) enabled in the logs you can see when a user TWEAKed and can disavow all results anyway...? Well, thanks for listening. :)

Here fwiw are tweak, cmd, & info lines, not sure why my rc-lookahead tweak didn't "take" (since it shows in BD-RB's command line), it should have ended-up at 48:
TWEAK_PASS_ONE=--preset medium --tune grain --keyint 48 --min-keyint 1 --rc-lookahead 50 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --vbv-bufsize 15000
--pass 1 --direct auto --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709
TWEAK_PASS_TWO=--preset medium --tune grain --keyint 48 --min-keyint 1 --rc-lookahead 50 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --vbv-bufsize 15000
--pass 2 --direct auto --me umh --subme 9 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709

"C:\BD_Rebuilder\tools\x264.exe" "D:\BD-RB WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00009.AVS" --preset medium --b-pyramid strict --weightp 2
--open-gop bluray --qpmin=0 --bitrate 4422 --level 4.1 --qpfile "D:\BD-RB WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00009.CHP" --sar 1:1
--aud --nal-hrd vbr --pic-struct --vbv-bufsize 14500 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-maxrate 17500
--threads auto --slices 4 --thread-input --tune grain --rc-lookahead 50 --direct auto --me umh --subme 9
--stats "D:\BD-RB WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00009.AVS.264.stats" --pass 2 --output "D:\BD-RB WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00009.AVS.264"

Encoding settings: cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:-2:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.25 /
mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=6,6 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 /
threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 /
b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=2 / weightp=2 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 /
rc_lookahead=24 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4422 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.80 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 /
qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=17500 / vbv_bufsize=14500 / ip_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:0.50 / nal_hrd=vbr

[jdobbs]

I think there might be some confusion... as a 48 frame GOP is never legal on a DVD. But we're talking about BD format here so I assume that's what you mean.

I do prevent some tweak parameters from being used... mainly the ones (like keyint) that can violate the standard and cause a disc to not work.

In BD the maximum keyint would depend on your bitrate. The specification allows a GOP whose period is longer than 1 second only on condition that the maximum bit-rate of an MPEG-4 AVC stream is less than or equal to 15Mbs and in that case the GOP can be up to 2 seconds. So by setting the max to 15Mbs you can theoretically set the GOP to 48 on a 23.976fps source.

By default, BD-RB sets the maximum bitrate to 17.5Mbs when outputting to BD-5/9 -- and at that bitrate a 48 frame GOP would be illegal. My reasoning is that when encoding HD at low bitrates a higher maximum bitrate is more important than a larger GOP -- as you might need that additional peak at some points to keep quality. That, however, is arguable -- especially when the difference is only a couple of megabits/sec.

Frankly, though, I don't think it would make much difference. If you are seeing pulsing, changing the GOP size would likely only make it happen at a lesser rate -- and possibly even make it worse. Your problem is more likely ipratio and/or pbratio, which balances the quality between I, P, and B frames. Pulsing usually indicates that the quality is degrading over the course of the GOP and then "corrects" at the I frame and starts degrading over again.

[laserfan]

I think there might be some confusion... as a 48 frame GOP is never legal on a DVD. But we're talking about BD format here so I assume that's what you mean.
Yeah, I did say "BD-content-on-DVD" and should have said "BD-format-on-DVD".

setting the max to 15Mbs you can theoretically set the GOP to 48 on a 23.976fps source.
For BD-format-on-DVD I have always set it that way, keyint 48 along with 15000/15000 and I never set my average bitrate above 7500 for-whatever-that's-worth. I do appreciate your reply. I'd wondered why you'd set your vbv-maxrate to 17500 and now I know; my only concern might be that I see nothing in shon3i's specs to support your use of this on DVD media?

I should convert the BD "by hand" (a long-time DVD-RB user, I only very rarely have tried using BD-RB, sorry :o) and see if the pulsing goes away, though for as many times as I've done low-bitrate encodings I've never seen this before. You may be right that the longer keyint has nichts to do w/the pulsing, but while I can appreciate that you are trying to make your proggie to "play by the rules" it seems that these other "DVD-only" settings should be allowed.

Sorry for the long post(s)--all about TWEAK_ that is there only out of your good will in the 1st place...! :)

[jdobbs]

I'd wondered why you'd set your vbv-maxrate to 17500 and now I know; my only concern might be that I see nothing in shon3i's specs to support your use of this on DVD media? I use the BD and AVCHD specs for all my work. My guess is that shon3i purposely set the max to 15Mbs just so he can use longer GOPs.

[shon3i]

I use the BD and AVCHD specs for all my work. My guess is that shon3i purposely set the max to 15Mbs just so he can use longer GOPs.
And i don't see purpose of usage, using anything higher than 15mbps when avg bitrate is not even higher than 5mbps in 99.9% cases. Anyway setting maxrate to 17 mbps but leave buffer at 14mbps will not even enhance quality because will be very very short spikes, --vbv-bufsize 14500 came from HDDVD specification (it's max for AVC), but AVCHD can use more than that.

Pulsing more likely will be solved with OpenGOP.

[jdobbs]

And i don't see purpose of usage, using anything higher than 15mbps when avg bitrate is not even higher than 5mbps in 99.9% cases. Anyway setting maxrate to 17 mbps but leave buffer at 14mbps will not even enhance quality because will be very very short spikes, --vbv-bufsize 14500 came from HDDVD specification (it's max for AVC), but AVCHD can use more than that.

Pulsing more likely will be solved with OpenGOP. Even at 5Mbs, there are lots of opportunities for spikes to go up to the maximum bitrate -- and it will do it for as long as it takes (as long as the average can be kept and the buffer doesn't overflow). Setting the buffer to the same size as the bitrate as opposed to 14500/17500 isn't going to extend the tolerance for a spike to any appreciable degree. But I agree that the difference between 15Mbs and 17.5Mbs probably also isn't enough to make any meaningful difference either.

Anyway -- I've added an option in the next release to allow 48 frame GOPs with a maximum bitrate of 15Mbs.

BD-RB has the option to use open GOPs.

[laserfan]

I've added an option in the next release to allow 48 frame GOPs with a maximum bitrate of 15Mbs.

BD-RB has the option to use open GOPs.Yup and I used that option with my encoding, though I do wonder where I'd find the secret codes that are used in the x264 header e.g. in this case "/ open_gop=2". Does anyone know where to confirm that this means "bluray"?

Thanks jdobbs for your interest in this. Will try the next version for sure. :)

[nurbs]

open_gop=2 is the Blu Ray compatible one. You can check that in the x264 help ("x264 --fullhelp").

[jdobbs]

open_gop=2 is the Blu Ray compatible one. You can check that in the x264 help ("x264 --fullhelp").

And the way you activate it is with the command line option "--open-gop bluray"

[laserfan]

open_gop=2 is the Blu Ray compatible one. You can check that in the x264 help ("x264 --fullhelp").I know how to set the option--I was looking for the info header to confirm it. But...fullhelp says only this:

--open-gop <string> Use recovery points to close GOPs [none]
- none: closed GOPs only
- normal: standard open GOPs
(not Blu-ray compatible)
- bluray: Blu-ray-compatible open GOPs
So I am supposed to guess then that 1 means "normal" and 2 means "bluray"? This isn't the only setting that is abbreviated in the x264 header--perhaps the answers I want are in the source code for x264...

[jdobbs]

I know how to set the option--I was looking for the info header to confirm it. But...fullhelp says only this:

--open-gop <string> Use recovery points to close GOPs [none]
- none: closed GOPs only
- normal: standard open GOPs
(not Blu-ray compatible)
- bluray: Blu-ray-compatible open GOPs
So I am supposed to guess then that 1 means "normal" and 2 means "bluray"? This isn't the only setting that is abbreviated in the x264 header--perhaps the answers I want are in the source code for x264...Just go this site (http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings). It's always kept up-to-date. When those values are shown they represent what is kept internally.

[laserfan]

Just go this site (http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings). It's always kept up-to-date. When those values are shown they represent what is kept internally.We're not communicating. Another example; I ask in my x264 command for --direct auto, and into the header is written / direct=3 /. Here is what the site says about it:

direct

Default: 'spatial'

Set prediction mode for 'direct' motion vectors. There are two modes available: spatial and temporal. You can also select none to disable direct MVs, and auto to allow x264 to swap between them as it sees fit. If you set auto, x264 outputs information on the usage at the end of the encode. 'auto' works best in a 2pass encode, but will work in single-pass encodes too. In first-pass auto mode, x264 keeps a running average of how well each method has so far performed, and picks the next prediction mode from that. Note that you should only enable auto on the second pass if it was enabled on the first pass; if it wasn't, the second pass will default to temporal. Direct none wastes bits and is strongly discouraged.

Recommendation: 'auto' Now, where in that paragraph is it confirmed that / direct=3 / means the 'auto' that I requested?

[jdobbs]

We're not communicating. Another example; I ask in my x264 command for --direct auto, and into the header is written / direct=3 /. Here is what the site says about it:

Now, where in that paragraph is it confirmed that / direct=3 / means the 'auto' that I requested? I know what you're saying, I guess I just don't get the point. If you set it to "bluray" on the command line, and the printout says "2" then "2" means "bluray". I'm obviously missing something...

I guess the easiest way to confirm what value means which setting if you don't have access to the command line is by looking at the source code.

[laserfan]

I know what you're saying, I guess I just don't get the point. If you set it to "bluray" on the command line, and the printout says "2" then "2" means "bluray". I'm obviously missing something...Where we started was: I tried using TWEAK_PASS_XXX in my .INI file, and found that BD-RB ignored some of my settings. So I was simply looking for confirmation in the re-encoded file that all my inputs indeed resulted in the output I'd requested. And some of them ain't obvious cuz numbers are used instead of the original option text. That's all. Not a BD-RB issue at all, just something that's bugged me and came to a head when BD-RB didn't follow my TWEAK lines.

[Rich86]

First - thanks so much for making this terrific program available.
I am new to burning blu-rays, and still learning, so if I make a dumb suggestion or ask a dumb question, please forgive.

1. I can't find a way to include more than 1 title when processing. It seems to be "all" or 1 title only. Although I am focused on the highest quality output, sometimes the main title even with HD audio still leaves a bit of room on 25gb media, and an extra or 2 might be included on the end (like deleted scenes, which are usually my first choice to include as an extra, if there is room). Is there some way multiple titles could be selected and played in a chosen sequence kind of like DVDShrink handles it for DVD with no menus? This question applies to both 25gb blu-ray output and "alternate" outputs (DVD playable on a regular DVD player specifically).

2. When I process to a blu-ray output, I understand my options are for the main title to repeat or let the player stop at the end of the title playback. But for some reason, when I process to alternate output (DVD-5, for example) the player is left in pause mode at the end of the title instead of stopping. Is there a setting I'm missing?

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

First - thanks so much for making this terrific program available.
I am new to burning blu-rays, and still learning, so if I make a dumb suggestion or ask a dumb question, please forgive.

1. I can't find a way to include more than 1 title when processing. It seems to be "all" or 1 title only. Although I am focused on the highest quality output, sometimes the main title even with HD audio still leaves a bit of room on 25gb media, and an extra or 2 might be included on the end (like deleted scenes, which are usually my first choice to include as an extra, if there is room). Is there some way multiple titles could be selected and played in a chosen sequence kind of like DVDShrink handles it for DVD with no menus? This question applies to both 25gb blu-ray output and "alternate" outputs (DVD playable on a regular DVD player specifically).

2. When I process to a blu-ray output, I understand my options are for the main title to repeat or let the player stop at the end of the title playback. But for some reason, when I process to alternate output (DVD-5, for example) the player is left in pause mode at the end of the title instead of stopping. Is there a setting I'm missing?

Thanks.1. The choice is to either do a full backup or a single title to movie-only mode. Adding individual extras, etc. would involve having to create menus of some type. I may do that at some point in the future, but right now it's just more than I planned.

2. I hadn't noticed what you've mentioned on DVD output. I usually just stop it myself when the credits start. I'll take a look at the DVD output and see if I can change it to stop rather than pause.

[Rich86]

1. The choice is to either do a full backup or a single title to movie-only mode. Adding individual extras, etc. would involve having to create menus of some type. I may do that at some point in the future, but right now it's just more than I planned.

2. I hadn't noticed what you've mentioned on DVD output. I usually just stop it myself when the credits start. I'll take a look at the DVD output and see if I can change it to stop rather than pause.

I didn't realize that multiple titles would require menus. I had just assumed it could play titles in sequence without a menu like a DVD can.
Also - I used pgcedit to look at the output DVD title I was playing with. The ending code is "exit" (0301) which would seem to be correct?
I'm burning the disc again to test. Thanks.
Update: burned disc again, played, pauses at end of title, press play on remote, then it ends and goes to player logo.

[jdobbs]

I didn't realize that multiple titles would require menus. I had just assumed it could play titles in sequence without a menu like a DVD can.
Also - I used pgcedit to look at the output DVD title I was playing with. The ending code is "exit" (0301) which would seem to be correct?
I'm burning the disc again to test. Thanks.
Update: burned disc again, played, pauses at end of title, press play on remote, then it ends and goes to player logo. You could string them together, sure -- but that's kinda' cludgy, don't you think?

I can make it end easy enough.

[Rich86]

You could string them together, sure -- but that's kinda' cludgy, don't you think?

I can make it end easy enough.

For me, who only does this to use up available space on the media being burned if the main title does not need additional compression, stringing them together is fine. I'm not willing to sacrifice any video or audio quality in order to have menus or extras. It would be important that the main title selected play first, and others follow it. The title I was messing around with actually had 4 different versions of the main title indicated, so I had to choose the correct one. A nice to have would have been being able to choose the correct main title and then add a couple of the other "extras" titles behind it, since the main title left room on the 25gb media. But I realize many folks are more attached to menus than I am.

Just to clarify: an output BD25 "main title only" plays fine - the disc stops playing after the movie is done leaving the player logo on the screen.
The issue only happens with "alternate" output format (specifically I noticed it on a DVD-5 that was created) where it goes into "pause" after the title finishes playing and you have to press "play" for it to actually end.
Thanks.

[laserfan]

I'm not willing to sacrifice any video or audio quality in order to have menus or extras.
You can make a very nice HD menu with audio for <5Mb, which is less-than-trivial for any size disc (even DVD-5 much less a BD-25). No sacrifice required; none at all.:p

[jdobbs]

I guess I just don't subscribe to the "fill-it-to-the-edge" mentality and a simple menu isn't going to affect quality. It's a little like peeing in the ocean and then worrying about how much the water has risen.

[Rich86]

I guess I just don't subscribe to the "fill-it-to-the-edge" mentality and a simple menu isn't going to affect quality. It's a little like peeing in the ocean and then worrying about how much the water has risen.

I understand. I wasn't aware menus take up so little space. But it sounded like building menus was a problem or significant effort and that was why including the option for multiple titles on the created disc was not available in your program. I was just suggesting that if offering multiple titles without a menu was easy, it might have some value to the users. Not complaining - just offering suggestions for added features. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

I've modified the authoring so DVD output doesn't pause at the end of play for the next release.

Menus are a pain, because in order to make them truly useful, you have to give the user some control over how they function -- and that's where the work is. The goal of BD Rebuilder isn't to reauthor -- only to backup.

But they (menus) are small. :)

[Rich86]

I've modified the authoring so DVD output doesn't pause at the end of play for the next release. :)

Awesome - thanks!

[KarstenS]

Would be nice, to see in the list when selecting alternative playlist in movie-only mode, to see, what language the default subtitle has in this playlist. Is interesting for multilingual BDs with different playlists for different languages (for example many Disney movies).

But only, when it works.

[jdobbs]

Would be nice, to see in the list when selecting alternative playlist in movie-only mode, to see, what language the default subtitle has in this playlist. Is interesting for multilingual BDs with different playlists for different languages (for example many Disney movies).

But only, when it works. I'm not sure I can even find that without writing something that might interpret commands through a virtual machine -- and that's just not feasible. If you know of another way, let me know.

[Rich86]

I've modified the authoring so DVD output doesn't pause at the end of play for the next release.

I guess this change did not make it into the 37.04 version, as the DVD alternate output still goes into pause at the end of the title playback - and you must press play again to have the disc complete. I'll throw a post into the bug section about it.

[jdobbs]

I guess this change did not make it into the 37.04 version, as the DVD alternate output still goes into pause at the end of the title playback - and you must press play again to have the disc complete. I'll throw a post into the bug section about it. Hmmm... it should be. Look in the ALTERNATE.XML file. It should have an entry for the VOB that says "pause="0"". I'll go back and test it.

[Rich86]

Hmmm... it should be. Look in the ALTERNATE.XML file. It should have an entry for the VOB that says "pause="0"". I'll go back and test it.

Yes - I see it there in the workfile area. But the actual DVD output files in the Video_TS folder look the same as they did with the 37.03 version - the only command there is a 0301 post command, and the DVD player behaves the same as before.

[jdobbs]

Yes - I see it there in the workfile area. But the actual DVD output files in the Video_TS folder look the same as they did with the 37.03 version - the only command there is a 0301 post command, and the DVD player behaves the same as before. What kind of player?

[Rich86]

What kind of player?

Sony DVP-NC85H.
I can test the disc in a HD-DVD or BD player also if you think the issue is player specific (but I've never had this problem before with a burned title).

[jdobbs]

Sony DVP-NC85H.
I can test the disc in a HD-DVD or BD player also if you think the issue is player specific (but I've never had this problem before with a burned title). What command does it say 03 01 is? 30 01 is EXIT...

Looks like 03 01 is GOTO line 0 -- it's been a quite while since I've done anything with the DVD virtual machine.

[Rich86]

What command does it say 03 01 is? 30 01 is EXIT...

Looks like 03 01 is GOTO line 0 -- it's been a quite while since I've done anything with the DVD virtual machine.

Yeah - I looked up the 0301 command and saw the definition as exit. I was tempted to try modifying the output file using pgcedit, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know where to begin trying changes in it. If there is a change you want me to try - and burn again to test the result - I'd be happy to help in any way I am capable.

[Stormcrow]

HI,all.

I'd like a bit of general advice here.

I've used an HD camcorder to record my Father's funeral to send to my Sister in NZ. I need to convert to DVD.

It created an AVCHD structure on it's memory card, with 3 .MTS files in the stream folder, and also a playlist and clipinf folder.

Looks like BD-lite. Can BD-RB import this directly ( I want to create alternate DVD output ); or do I need to pre-process by splicing the .mts in something like TsMuxer to create a full BD structure first?

I know pre-processed input it not supported, and this is a bug report thread. I'm not really asking for support, just general advice as to what will work. I'm not going to be complaining if it doesn't work.

EDIT: Is MultiAVCHD closer matched to what I'm trying to do here?

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SC

[jdobbs]

HI,all.

I'd like a bit of general advice here.

I've used an HD camcorder to record my Father's funeral to send to my Sister in NZ. I need to convert to DVD.

It created an AVCHD structure on it's memory card, with 3 .MTS files in the stream folder, and also a playlist and clipinf folder.

Looks like BD-lite. Can BD-RB import this directly ( I want to create alternate DVD output ); or do I need to pre-process by splicing the .mts in something like TsMuxer to create a full BD structure first?

I know pre-processed input it not supported, and this is a bug report thread. I'm not really asking for support, just general advice as to what will work. I'm not going to be complaining if it doesn't work.

EDIT: Is MultiAVCHD closer matched to what I'm trying to do here?

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SCBD Rebuilder won't read it directly -- you should probably run it through TSMUXER, and BD-RB will handle the output. You could also run it through multiAVCHD -- but I don't think DVD is one of it's output choices, so you'd to still run that through BD Rebuilder.

[jdobbs]

HI,all.

I'd like a bit of general advice here.

I've used an HD camcorder to record my Father's funeral to send to my Sister in NZ. I need to convert to DVD.

It created an AVCHD structure on it's memory card, with 3 .MTS files in the stream folder, and also a playlist and clipinf folder.

Looks like BD-lite. Can BD-RB import this directly ( I want to create alternate DVD output ); or do I need to pre-process by splicing the .mts in something like TsMuxer to create a full BD structure first?

I know pre-processed input it not supported, and this is a bug report thread. I'm not really asking for support, just general advice as to what will work. I'm not going to be complaining if it doesn't work.

EDIT: Is MultiAVCHD closer matched to what I'm trying to do here?

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SC

Yeah - I looked up the 0301 command and saw the definition as exit. I was tempted to try modifying the output file using pgcedit, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know where to begin trying changes in it. If there is a change you want me to try - and burn again to test the result - I'd be happy to help in any way I am capable. I just ran a DVD job and the post command that is created is "30 01" or "Exit" (not "03 01" as you indicated) -- and it is the correct command. Here is what EXIT should do:

"This command terminates the playback of a video DVD. Most DVD players displays its manufacturer's logo or a system hardware menu when this command is executed."

If you're player is pausing -- I would think it has to be a player issue.

[setarip_old]

@Stormcrow

Sorry to hear of your loss.

multiAVCHD most certaintly DOES have the capability to convert your files into a standard DVD...

[jdobbs]

@Stormcrow

Sorry to hear of your loss.

multiAVCHD most certaintly DOES have the capability to convert your files into a standard DVD... Hmmm... yep, I just looked and you are absolutely right. I stand corrected.

[Rich86]

I just ran a DVD job and the post command that is created is "30 01" or "Exit" (not "03 01" as you indicated) -- and it is the correct command. Here is what EXIT should do:

"This command terminates the playback of a video DVD. Most DVD players displays its manufacturer's logo or a system hardware menu when this command is executed."

If you're player is pausing -- I would think it has to be a player issue.

Please forgive my poor dyslexic eyeballs . . . you are, of course, correct. The exit command is 30 01.
I did a bit more exploration into this issue and may have stumbled across something relevant. I opened up pgcedit and explored a bit more thoroughly. When I look at the PGC table for a dvd title created by BD-RB, the last entry for the last chapter in the table has 255 in the "cell still time" column. If I change that entry to 0 - like all the rest of the chapter entries, and reburn the title, then the title exits at the end without going into a pause.
I hope that is helpful. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Please forgive my poor dyslexic eyeballs . . . you are, of course, correct. The exit command is 30 01.
I did a bit more exploration into this issue and may have stumbled across something relevant. I opened up pgcedit and explored a bit more thoroughly. When I look at the PGC table for a dvd title created by BD-RB, the last entry for the last chapter in the table has 255 in the "cell still time" column. If I change that entry to 0 - like all the rest of the chapter entries, and reburn the title, then the title exits at the end without going into a pause.
I hope that is helpful. Thanks. Thanks, good detective work. I'll follow up on that...

[KarstenS]

I'm not sure I can even find that without writing something that might interpret commands through a virtual machine -- and that's just not feasible. If you know of another way, let me know.

Ok. I've looked what BDEdit shows as informations of the mpls files. If there is really nothing more than this it shows me, than it will be really difficult to find, as it would be stored somewhere in the java code of the menus i think.

So also forced subtitles will be difficult too for movie only mode :(

[jdobbs]

Please forgive my poor dyslexic eyeballs . . . you are, of course, correct. The exit command is 30 01.
I did a bit more exploration into this issue and may have stumbled across something relevant. I opened up pgcedit and explored a bit more thoroughly. When I look at the PGC table for a dvd title created by BD-RB, the last entry for the last chapter in the table has 255 in the "cell still time" column. If I change that entry to 0 - like all the rest of the chapter entries, and reburn the title, then the title exits at the end without going into a pause.
I hope that is helpful. Thanks. It looks like I also have to set pause="0" at the PGC level as well. I've added it, and will test it.

[jdobbs]

Ok. I've looked what BDEdit shows as informations of the mpls files. If there is really nothing more than this it shows me, than it will be really difficult to find, as it would be stored somewhere in the java code of the menus i think.

So also forced subtitles will be difficult too for movie only mode :( Well, you can force a subtitle manually. You can right click on a subtitle and default it to "on". Also, if a subtitle was forced on the original, and you don't resize it -- it will remain forced in the movie-only backup as well.

[jdobbs]

Please forgive my poor dyslexic eyeballs . . . you are, of course, correct. The exit command is 30 01.
I did a bit more exploration into this issue and may have stumbled across something relevant. I opened up pgcedit and explored a bit more thoroughly. When I look at the PGC table for a dvd title created by BD-RB, the last entry for the last chapter in the table has 255 in the "cell still time" column. If I change that entry to 0 - like all the rest of the chapter entries, and reburn the title, then the title exits at the end without going into a pause.
I hope that is helpful. Thanks.

Just wanted to let you know that I've fixed this. As it turns out the inclusion or exclusion of the "pause" parameter wasn't the issue at all. I needed to explicitly call out the "Exit" post command in the XML file (even though it was added automatically) to prevent that final cell from being added with an infinate still time (the 255).

[Rich86]

Just wanted to let you know that I've fixed this. As it turns out the inclusion or exclusion of the "pause" parameter wasn't the issue at all. I needed to explicitly call out the "Exit" post command in the XML file (even though it was added automatically) to prevent that final cell from being added with an infinate still time (the 255).

Excellent. Thanks much!

[Rich86]

It would be a very valuable and important feature if BD-RB could retain selected subtitles when converting blu-ray source material to DVD5 or DVD9 output in addition to its current ability to retain multiple audio tracks. For example, the Swedish "Dragon Tattoo" films are based upon Swedish language audio, and a quality movie experience for many English speaking folks would be listening to the Swedish audio, while having English subtitles displayed. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

It would be a very valuable and important feature if BD-RB could retain selected subtitles when converting blu-ray source material to DVD5 or DVD9 output in addition to its current ability to retain multiple audio tracks. For example, the Swedish "Dragon Tattoo" films are based upon Swedish language audio, and a quality movie experience for many English speaking folks would be listening to the Swedish audio, while having English subtitles displayed. Thanks. In order to transform the titles I'm either going to have to write a routine myself or find a freeware tool that will convert BD to DVD formats. I'd rather not have to write it from scratch, so if someone knows of a tool (that doesn't require OCR and user interaction) please let me know.

[Capsbackup]

Maybe BDSuptoSub?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

[Rich86]

Maybe BDSuptoSub?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

btw - DVDFab can retain subtitles when converting from Blu-ray to DVD, but it, apparently cannot also retain multiple audio streams. It would be so awesome if BD-RB could both retain subtitles and preserve multiple audio streams when converting to DVD5 or DVD9 . . . just a thought . . :-)

[MilesAhead]

Maybe BDSuptoSub?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

In the help it does show command line options. I don't know it they are sufficient for this application but it may be possible. I use the Gui all the time to resize subs to 720x480 res and export as idx/sub. The exported idx/sub work fine as input to VobSub() avs filter. For selectable subs I guess you'd have to export as ifo/sup. sup input should be supported by MuxMan. I haven't done enough with it to know how color space and palette stuff figures in though.

edit: the other consideration is it's a .jar script. The user needs to have jre installed.

[jdobbs]

In the help it does show command line options. I don't know it they are sufficient for this application but it may be possible. I use the Gui all the time to resize subs to 720x480 res and export as idx/sub. The exported idx/sub work fine as input to VobSub() avs filter. For selectable subs I guess you'd have to export as ifo/sup. sup input should be supported by MuxMan. I haven't done enough with it to know how color space and palette stuff figures in though.

edit: the other consideration is it's a .jar script. The user needs to have jre installed.Yeah... and I'm not keen on forcing users of BD-RB to have to install JAVA runtime to make it work.

[A.Fenderson]

If this has been asked already, please forgive the redundancy.

It would be nice to have an option (or possibly even default behavior or pop-up notification of the potential issue) to always keep the sole audio track for any segment which has only one audio track that would otherwise be discarded based on the choices made in the settings menu. I know it's rare, but it does happen.

[omegaman7]

This probably applies to X264, but I gotta ask anyway. I currently have a task running with only 3/4 threads. I leave for work in a few hours, and it's likely that the job won't be complete before that time. Wouldn't it be nice, if we could change CPU priority in real time? I believe nero Vision provides such an option. So in that, I see the possibility. Perhaps it wouldn't have to do it immediately, but it could change the priority after it's current segment/encode. That way it doesn't confuse it. But perhaps it wouldn't with proper coding?

[The_Unknown]

If this has been asked already, please forgive the redundancy.

It would be nice to have an option (or possibly even default behavior or pop-up notification of the potential issue) to always keep the sole audio track for any segment which has only one audio track that would otherwise be discarded based on the choices made in the settings menu. I know it's rare, but it does happen.

I totally agree.

[big_moviefreak]

@jdobbs-Question just wanted to know how soon we might have feature added to retain menus with main movie.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs-Question just wanted to know how soon we might have feature added to retain menus with main movie. I don't know. I haven't set that as a high priority. I'll look at it tomorrow and see how much work would be involved.

[big_moviefreak]

@jdobbs that would be an assume addtion that no other software provides right now. I and many others would appreciate it greatly. If anyone can acomplish this it would be you. Thanks.

[JoeH]

@jdobbs Where you ever able to add in subtitles do the Bluray to DVD creation? I checked the change log and didn't see anything in there, but wanted to double check anyway. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs Where you ever able to add in subtitles do the Bluray to DVD creation? I checked the change log and didn't see anything in there, but wanted to double check anyway. Thanks. I haven't done it yet. I probably won't until I can find a reliable way to do it without having to add things like JAVA runtime requirements.

[jdobbs]

If this has been asked already, please forgive the redundancy.

It would be nice to have an option (or possibly even default behavior or pop-up notification of the potential issue) to always keep the sole audio track for any segment which has only one audio track that would otherwise be discarded based on the choices made in the settings menu. I know it's rare, but it does happen. That makes complete sense. I've added this to the next release.

[A.Fenderson]

That makes complete sense. I've added this to the next release.

Awesome, thanks! :)

[DMagic1]

If it hasnt been requested yet, can the FORCE_NOENCODE=n option be added to the gui?

[KillingTime]

Hello,

I've been using your software, and IMHO it's very user friendly and the quality is superb.

Two suggestions for enhancements (if they've not already been put forward):

1. Have the correct audio stream played when you preview a video clip from streams window (right mouse button on the video stream - play / view). An instance of media player opens up, but it always seems to play the English (1st?) audio track for me, even when you've got Spanish selected in the list of audio streams for the main movie. [or implement an option to play the audio stream from the streams window].

2. Have a way of adding some of the extras to the end of the main movie in Main Movie Only mode (I've not found a way of doing this yet). For example. an interview with one of the actors. No menus required, just have it tagged onto the end of the credits (as another chapter perhaps - so it's easily accessable). Just a thought. Not sure how much GUI work is involved for this though. Would be nice to have it on the backup than not at all, even if there is no menu.
Thanks.

[omegaman7]

In addition to the "Abort" button, during processing, how about a "Pause encode" button??? Or is there a program that can override (without error), and simply cause the program to hang for a few minutes. I'm burning a BD from one of the processing drives, and I fear when it goes to extract the next video segment, there'll be a buffer underrun.

I really should have transferred the files to an idle drive...:o

[Ch3vr0n]

@omegaman. That buffer underrun shouldnt happen, thats why its called a underrun protection. Besides, its impossible to happen as BDRB won't tell IMGBurn to burn the disc untill the encoding is complete. Once the encoding is complete IMGBurn uses the files from the output folder and not the source drive

[omegaman7]

I have multiple drives Ch3vr0n. And multiple backups. I burn on the fly. I was encoding one title, while burning another. Thankfully, there were no more segment extractions needed. The job finished shortly after the burn of another movie :) It would be nice to pause the encode though, to free up HDD and CPU resource when needed. It is a long process after all ;)

[jdobbs]

I have multiple drives Ch3vr0n. And multiple backups. I burn on the fly. I was encoding one title, while burning another. Thankfully, there were no more segment extractions needed. The job finished shortly after the burn of another movie :) It would be nice to pause the encode though, to free up HDD and CPU resource when needed. It is a long process after all ;)Unfortunately that's pretty hard to do -- especially without screwing the encode.

[omegaman7]

Unfortunately that's pretty hard to do -- especially without screwing the encode.

It was worth a shot ;) I'm pretty crafty. I guess what I really need to do is formulate a game plan, and try not to deviate from it. Perhaps, a drive dedicated to the burning of BD discs. I do have 9Tb worth of storage space. I'll figure something out ;)

Thanks anyway JD.

[JoeH]

It was worth a shot ;) I'm pretty crafty. I guess what I really need to do is formulate a game plan, and try not to deviate from it. Perhaps, a drive dedicated to the burning of BD discs. I do have 9Tb worth of storage space. I'll figure something out ;)

Thanks anyway JD.

You could try lowering thread priority of X264 / BD-Rebuilder, and raising thread priority with your burning program.

[omegaman7]

Afraid not. CPU priority has very little to do with the process I'm talking about. Processors can handle a great deal of Hard drive bandwidth. Hard drives however, are not nearly the multi-taskers that Cpu's are. I suppose if X264 were to suddenly lose CPU cycles, that would slow the process enough, to finish a burn job ;) I imagine there are utilities out there, that can manage CPU processes better than task manager. So in the future, if I need to pause the application(I don't like the idea of Abort and restart), I'll try lowering process priority of X264. But if windows has free cpu cycles, X264 will get them anyway...

[jdobbs]

Afraid not. CPU priority has very little to do with the process I'm talking about. Processors can handle a great deal of Hard drive bandwidth. Hard drives however, are not nearly the multi-taskers that Cpu's are. I suppose if X264 were to suddenly lose CPU cycles, that would slow the process enough, to finish a burn job ;) I imagine there are utilities out there, that can manage CPU processes better than task manager. So in the future, if I need to pause the application(I don't like the idea of Abort and restart), I'll try lowering process priority of X264. But if windows has free cpu cycles, X264 will get them anyway...Yes. Changing processor priority has very little effect on actions that are disc I/O intensive.

[A.Fenderson]

Again, apologies if this has been brought up:

There are certain discs where it would be very nice to have the explicit option, on a per-stream basis, to retain either the DTS core/AC3 compatibility stream only, or to allow the HD audio.

Example:
Akira has, well, tons of audio tracks, but the two I'd like to retain are the amazing Japanese THD 5.1 track (that's been paired with a Japanese 2.0 AC3 compatibility stream) and only the AC3 compatibility stream of the English THD 5.1 track--I don't want the English lossless as I'll rarely if ever actually use the English track and would rather save space for the video.

The same concept applies, in my case, for any non-English language movie where there are lossless audio tracks for both the original language and the English dub: I'd like to retain just the English lossy audio "just in case" while keeping the lossless original-language track and ditching any lossless English dub to save space.

[had-z]

A nice new feature would be the conversion of DTS XLL (DTSHD-MA) to DTS, is that possible?

Thanks.

[A.Fenderson]

You can essentially get that on a per-disc, but not per-stream, basis by disallowing HD audio and choosing not to reencode to AC3: BD-RB will take the DTS core.

[had-z]

Thanks for the tip! i have other request/question about hd audios: is posible to encode a Dolby True HD to DTS core?

Thanks in advance.

[Rich86]

btw - DVDFab can retain subtitles when converting from Blu-ray to DVD, but it, apparently cannot also retain multiple audio streams. It would be so awesome if BD-RB could both retain subtitles and preserve multiple audio streams when converting to DVD5 or DVD9 . . . just a thought . . :-)

I have done a fair amount of experimenting with various programs to process some of my source BDs to DVD (for use where no access to HD equipment exists - car, portable devices, mountain cabin, etc.). I want the best quality audio and video I can get, the ability to take advantage of the capacity of the media (ie. SL and DL media) & the ability to keep multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I cannot find any program that can do all that.
1. BD-RB provides the very best quality output, and utilizes either SL or DL media sizes very effectively, and can handle multiple audio tracks. However, it cannot keep subtitles when converting a BD to DVD.
2. Clown-BD offers all the capabilities (DVD5 or DVD9 output, multiple audio tracks, subtitles), but tends to do strange things quality wise at times. I just did a test run of a BD source where it provided a DVD9 output of files totalling under 3gb. The video quality of that does not measure up to the same run in BD-RB where I specified a DVD5 output.
3. DVDFab (Blu-Ray to DVD) - offers decent quality output with subtitles, but cannot deal with multiple audio tracks.
Every other package floating around I have played with is mostly junk.
Hopefully someday jdobbs will offer a method for keeping subtitles when using the DVD output options of BD-RB. It would make BD-RB a uniquely quality and flexible program, from what I have seen.

[jdobbs]

I have done a fair amount of experimenting with various programs to process some of my source BDs to DVD (for use where no access to HD equipment exists - car, portable devices, mountain cabin, etc.). I want the best quality audio and video I can get, the ability to take advantage of the capacity of the media (ie. SL and DL media) & the ability to keep multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I cannot find any program that can do all that.
1. BD-RB provides the very best quality output, and utilizes either SL or DL media sizes very effectively, and can handle multiple audio tracks. However, it cannot keep subtitles when converting a BD to DVD.
2. Clown-BD offers all the capabilities (DVD5 or DVD9 output, multiple audio tracks, subtitles), but tends to do strange things quality wise at times. I just did a test run of a BD source where it provided a DVD9 output of files totalling under 3gb. The video quality of that does not measure up to the same run in BD-RB where I specified a DVD5 output.
3. DVDFab (Blu-Ray to DVD) - offers decent quality output with subtitles, but cannot deal with multiple audio tracks.
Every other package floating around I have played with is mostly junk.
Hopefully someday jdobbs will offer a method for keeping subtitles when using the DVD output options of BD-RB. It would make BD-RB a uniquely quality and flexible program, from what I have seen.I'll eventually have subtitles working...

[shon3i]

Thanks for the tip! i have other request/question about hd audios: is posible to encode a Dolby True HD to DTS core?

Thanks in advance.
No because there is no freeware DTS encoders, but you don't want to do this since AC3 is better option, less size and more for video, and quality is greather than DTS for sure, because is AC3 more efficient and requre less bitrate than DTS.

[A.Fenderson]

Thanks for the tip! i have other request/question about hd audios: is posible to encode a Dolby True HD to DTS core?

Thanks in advance.

I looked into this a while back: your cheapest option, if you're willing to pay, is the $249 SurCode DTS encoder (http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=87&lang=en) or the identically-priced, non-HD DTS encoder suite (http://www.dts.com/Pro_Audio_Products/DTS_Products/DTS_Surround_Audio_Suite_TM/Overview.aspx)from DTS themselves. Whether this is worth the price, as compared to the 640 kbps AC3 encoding you can do for free in Aften via BD-RB, is up to you.

[jdobbs]

I have done a fair amount of experimenting with various programs to process some of my source BDs to DVD (for use where no access to HD equipment exists - car, portable devices, mountain cabin, etc.). I want the best quality audio and video I can get, the ability to take advantage of the capacity of the media (ie. SL and DL media) & the ability to keep multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I cannot find any program that can do all that.
1. BD-RB provides the very best quality output, and utilizes either SL or DL media sizes very effectively, and can handle multiple audio tracks. However, it cannot keep subtitles when converting a BD to DVD.
2. Clown-BD offers all the capabilities (DVD5 or DVD9 output, multiple audio tracks, subtitles), but tends to do strange things quality wise at times. I just did a test run of a BD source where it provided a DVD9 output of files totalling under 3gb. The video quality of that does not measure up to the same run in BD-RB where I specified a DVD5 output.
3. DVDFab (Blu-Ray to DVD) - offers decent quality output with subtitles, but cannot deal with multiple audio tracks.
Every other package floating around I have played with is mostly junk.
Hopefully someday jdobbs will offer a method for keeping subtitles when using the DVD output options of BD-RB. It would make BD-RB a uniquely quality and flexible program, from what I have seen.Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

[Tazlord]

Thanks jdobbs for pointing me in the right direction. Reposting here for the sake of community commentary =)

Great work! BD-Rebuilder has definitely come a long way since the first time I used it (which it didn't work for me at that time). I would LOVE to see a program removal feature added to this tool so that I can remove unwanted chains from the final result (like annoying advertisements & such). In fact, I'd be glad to even pay for such a feature. That's how annoying those things are to me.

[omegaman7]

Ahh yes. But blanking can cause problems in some players. I've encountered some players, that when there are multiple blank segments, it stops playing the disc. Rather strange. What needs to be done(dvd rebuilder never could)is program chain editing. E.g. jump to main title. Disney's "Fast play" is a joke. Even after you tell it fast play, you have to sit through trailers, and what not. Since blu rays are apparently substantially different in this respect, it could take time for such a feature eh? I am aware of PGCedit. DvdFab also works nicely for dvds. As well as anydvd's capability. Can't wait to see this capability in Bd rebuilder :) If possible that is.

[A.Fenderson]

Would implementing segment blanking by just dropping in and pointing to a one-GOP long black screen w/ no audio potentially prevent players from having issues with these? Even a one-second black screen would be great--far better and shorter than the crap we'd be blanking, and hardly noticeable on the typical slow-loading BD player anyway. :-)

[Rich86]

Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

Are we talking about 37.07 - or is something newer available I am not seeing yet?
I took a shot and manually went after 37.08 and got it - is that what I should try out?

[Sharc]

Are we talking about 37.07 - or is something newer available I am not seeing yet?
I took a shot and manually went after 37.08 and got it - is that what I should try out?
Latest version plus required ancillary programs are always found here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143716).

[JoeH]

Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

Thanks jdobbs! Fantastic!

[Rich86]

Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

Installed 37.08, did not mess with hidden options, and processed my "Black Swan" blu-ray "Blu-ray to alternate output-DVD" including english subtitles. Ran fine with no problems, output functions fine, subtitles look terrific.

4/26/11 update: Ran my "How Do You Know" BD through it last night to DVD output. Worked perfectly and looks great.

Thanks!

[worknstiff]

Hey jdobbs, Thanks for the latest update, I have really been putting the alternate output MKV through it's paces and have been really impressed with the video quality. Even when using a bitrate of 3,400k it is still watchable. This on the BD "Avatar" that was 16gigs with only one ac3 audio track and a couple of subs, that I processed down to a 4.4gig mkv and it still looked great. I did the BD "The Way Back", before and the forced subs came out perfect, but the Avatar MKV doesn't show the subs. If you have some free time maybe you could test it and see if it's just my setup. The reason I'm posting here is I wanted to ask if BD_Rebuilder will support the intel "Quick Sync" transcoding acceleration technology that is implemented with the new Sandy Bridge processors. On paper it looks like a much quicker transcoding process is finally within reach, at least if you can purchase a Z68 motherboard. Thanks again for all your hard work, worknstiff

[jdobbs]

Hey jdobbs, Thanks for the latest update, I have really been putting the alternate output MKV through it's paces and have been really impressed with the video quality. Even when using a bitrate of 3,400k it is still watchable. This on the BD "Avatar" that was 16gigs with only one ac3 audio track and a couple of subs, that I processed down to a 4.4gig mkv and it still looked great. I did the BD "The Way Back", before and the forced subs came out perfect, but the Avatar MKV doesn't show the subs. If you have some free time maybe you could test it and see if it's just my setup. The reason I'm posting here is I wanted to ask if BD_Rebuilder will support the intel "Quick Sync" transcoding acceleration technology that is implemented with the new Sandy Bridge processors. On paper it looks like a much quicker transcoding process is finally within reach, at least if you can purchase a Z68 motherboard. Thanks again for all your hard work, worknstiff BD Rebuilder doesn't currently support subtitles in MKVs -- mainly because there are (almost) no players that will support graphic subtitles (PGS) -- and they are pretty much all that is available from a BD. If you had forced subtitles that worked in a previous encode, it is probably because they were actually embedded in the video itself.

No current plans to support "Quick Sync"... I'll see where it goes.

[The_Unknown]

I asked that some time ago, but it seems you didn't have time to make that change (or you just didn't like it ;)).

Would it be possible to make the main window resizeable? It's just so small on today's displays (1920x1080 or even more) and the ListView-scrolling in some complex discs is quiet annoying ;)

Also it would be cool, if you could use some standard UI controls (the progress bars are a bit small).

P.S.: I'm also developer and I know that this would only take some clicks and several lines of code (anchoring...) ^^ Thanks in forward!!

[Sharc]

BD-RB allows to define custom .avs filters in the setup.
Apparently the custom filters are applied before the resizing when resizing is selected.
Would it make sense to introduce a control prefix (similar as in DVD-RB) in order to select the position of the filter, like
pre: <this filter script is applied before the resizing>
post: <this filter is script is applied after the resizing>
(Default should remain as is).
For example, a slight sharpening for 720p after the resizing brings the backup visually closer to the 1080p original.

[jdobbs]

BD-RB allows to define custom .avs filters in the setup.
Apparently the custom filters are applied before the resizing when resizing is selected.
Would it make sense to introduce a control prefix (similar as in DVD-RB) in order to select the position of the filter, like
pre: <this filter script is applied before the resizing>
post: <this filter is script is applied after the resizing>
(Default should remain as is).
For example, a slight sharpening for 720p after the resizing brings the backup visually closer to the 1080p original. I'll look at it.

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs; i was hoping you could add another type of movie only backup output. Namely an mpeg2 stream (*.mpg) I had a disc a few days back that just kept on loading without ever going to the menu to play. so i was forced to do a dvd9 output, but since i only wanted to watch it and don't waste a blank dvd on it i had to do an extra step and use cloneDVDMobile to create an mpeg2 stream out of it. I know i could have easily selected one of the current output formats but neither of them are supported by DLNA. Wich is something i use frequently (to stream from my pc to blu-ray to show it on TV)

So to make it short, could you add the mpeg2 movie only backup option ?

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs; i was hoping you could add another type of movie only backup output. Namely an mpeg2 stream (*.mpg) I had a disc a few days back that just kept on loading without ever going to the menu to play. so i was forced to do a dvd9 output, but since i only wanted to watch it and don't waste a blank dvd on it i had to do an extra step and use cloneDVDMobile to create an mpeg2 stream out of it. I know i could have easily selected one of the current output formats but neither of them are supported by DLNA. Wich is something i use frequently (to stream from my pc to blu-ray to show it on TV)

So to make it short, could you add the mpeg2 movie only backup option ? Interesting. My Samsung player supports M2TS, MKV, and MP4 formats over DLNA.

[Added] If you output to M2TS there is software out there that will convert TS/M2TS to MPG without reencoding...

[Ch3vr0n]

mine is a panasonic, gotta admit i havent tried the other formats. all i know is that it doesnt support avi. It can see them but the duration is -:-- (meaning no duration/unplayable) Now this will be a little offtopic but ya don't know wich audio types are supported do ya, can't seem to have my player do mp3.

[jdobbs]

mine is a panasonic, gotta admit i havent tried the other formats. all i know is that it doesnt support avi. It can see them but the duration is -:-- (meaning no duration/unplayable) Now this will be a little offtopic but ya don't know wich audio types are supported do ya, can't seem to have my player do mp3. It depends on the format. Here's what mine says it supports via network/DLNA:

[Ch3vr0n]

I finally found a site that may shed some light on my supported formats. My player is the Panasonic DMP-BD85, according to this post http://forum.bigpicturebigsound.com/showthread.php?t=3168&p=5858#post5858 it only supports streaming in the following formats.

PS Video: MPEG2; Audio:AC3, LPCM, MPEG AUDIO
TS Video: MPEG2, H.264; Audio: AAC, AC3, EAC3, HE-AAC, LPCM, MPEG AUDIO

My Panasonic contact said that Divx is not officially supported by current DLNA standard, but the Windows7 DLNA server may be able to transcode to another format, in which case a Divx source file on a Windows7 PC could be played from a Panasonic player.

In terms of the actual file extensions/file types, these shouldn't be relevant as the player should detect the underlying codec, regardless of filetype, but these are a few of the file types one would normally see for compatible video files:

TS Video: *.mts, *.m2ts, *.tts, *.mpeg, *.mpg
PS Video: *.mpeg, *.mpg

So i'd be very gratefull if you add this/these output files. I'd be happy with mpg and/or m2ts movie only.

Reason is that although the video from my clonedvdmobile rip was excellent, the subtitles had turned from yellow to marineblue :s and it would save me a lot of time too. Could you consider it please :)

Also: http://bluray-players.net/panasonic/panasonic-dmp-bd85-review/ sais Supported Digital Video Standards : AVCHD, MPEG-2, MPEG-4

I suppose thats the dlna streams. If i use a USB stick, avi files etc play just fine, it even loads the srt subtitle streams automatically if they have the same name.

You'd make me a very happy camper if you could add these output options

[jdobbs]

I don't know how that would help if your player will only decode MPEG-2 from DLNA. That's odd and extremely limited for a blu-ray player that has virtually all its HD encoded in AVC or VC-1.

Time for a new player.

[Ch3vr0n]

Its barely a year old, kinda soon to get a new one just because it only supports mpeg2, don't have the funds for it either. I tried mkv but that ones a no go, currently trying the ipad hd one, i'll let you know how that one turns out. If it doesnt work either i'd be very gratefull if you could add the mpeg2 option.

so far its as follows

mkv: found but invalid duration > -:--
m2ts: found but (in)valid duration > 0:00 or valid time however >> playback error
mpg: found and played

[omegaman7]

My blu ray player(Samsung BD-P1590) is over 1yr old. Closer to 1.5. It does not play MKV's or anything of the likes. It does however like Taiyo Yuden LTH Bd's. Excellent burn quality from what I can tell too. I was very close to getting rid of that player, because it began sticking its nose up at Ritek, Optical quantum, and verbatim discs. But it likes the TY discs. Go figure...
We also have a Western digital HD media player. VERY nice little unit! It plays any file type from what I can tell. Its only had problems with very few. I bought that little unit for my folks. Myself, I'd rather stick with PC's/HTPC's.

[jdobbs]

Its barely a year old, kinda soon to get a new one just because it only supports mpeg2, don't have the funds for it either. I tried mkv but that ones a no go, currently trying the ipad hd one, i'll let you know how that one turns out. If it doesnt work either i'd be very gratefull if you could add the mpeg2 option.

so far its as follows

mkv: found but invalid duration > -:--
m2ts: found but (in)valid duration > 0:00 or valid time however >> playback error
mpg: found and played Yeah, I looked up the DLNA standard and it's really meant for MPEG-2 sources. I guess my system works with all those formats because I'm using the Samsung PC Server software with a Samsung player.

You'd have to reencode using HC Encoder in order to get an HD MPEG-2 source (assuming that post was correct in what your player will support) and then mux that into a .MPG container. You'd have to use a lot higher bitrate in order to get the same quality -- as H.264 is much more efficient than MPEG-2.

[Ch3vr0n]

So you'd be willing to add mpeg 2 output ? Preferrably with embedded (or selectable but i doubt selectable will be possible) subtitles, even if only 1 stream. Cause i tried the ipad mp4 option, and it doesnt work either. So mpeg2 is my only option. My computer is the server and i'm using WMP11's embedded server as the streamer, (also have TVersity installed as a backup, but usually go for the wmp one as it lets you pause, ff, rw etc, ...)

[jdobbs]

So you'd be willing to add mpeg 2 output ? Preferrably with embedded (or selectable but i doubt selectable will be possible) subtitles, even if only 1 stream. Cause i tried the ipad mp4 option, and it doesnt work either. So mpeg2 is my only option. My computer is the server and i'm using WMP11's embedded server as the streamer, (also have TVersity installed as a backup, but usually go for the wmp one as it lets you pause, ff, rw etc, ...) Try downloading the Samsung PC Server software from the Samsung site and see if it works with your player. It may not, but you never know...

I'm not sure I want to start adding extraneous types of encoding... but if there is a demand I guess I can look at it. I already have HC Encoder and MPLEX included in the distribution zip for DVD encoding.

[Ch3vr0n]

Tried and failed, my player can see the computer's samsung server ap, but can't make a connection to it, the other 2 options (WMP 11 and TVersity) work fine, so its definitely samsung app related. Since as you said you already have the proper tools includes for DVD (and from what i can make of it DVD Vob files are actually mpeg 2 streams) it shouldnt be too difficult (i hope) to add this option.

I don't need much, i'd be happy already with a simple mpeg2 stream with 1 embedded subtitle stream. Would save me a lot of trouble by first having to output to DVD then fire up CDVDM to create the mpeg2 stream and risc the subtitles going different color :|

Hope you're willing to look into it / add it. Nevertheless thx for a great piece of software

[jdobbs]

Tried and failed, my player can see the computer's samsung server ap, but can't make a connection to it, the other 2 options (WMP 11 and TVersity) work fine, so its definitely samsung app related. Since as you said you already have the proper tools includes for DVD (and from what i can make of it DVD Vob files are actually mpeg 2 streams) it shouldnt be too difficult (i hope) to add this option.

I don't need much, i'd be happy already with a simple mpeg2 stream with 1 embedded subtitle stream. Would save me a lot of trouble by first having to output to DVD then fire up CDVDM to create the mpeg2 stream and risc the subtitles going different color :|

Hope you're willing to look into it / add it. Nevertheless thx for a great piece of software Subtitles aren't very likely to happen. To work with any of these types of players they'd have to be text based. Blu-rays are almost exclusively graphics subs. OCR is just too much work and too inaccurate. I could probably embed subs as a part of the video using overlays (where you can't turn them off) but that's about it.

[Ch3vr0n]

You probably missed this part in my post you quoted. i'd be happy already with a simple mpeg2 stream with 1 embedded subtitle stream.

I'd have no problem whatsoever with embedded subtitles, on the contrairy that would be very nice. Embedded subs are no issue to me, and if this option gets added and the user doesnt want subs well all we/they have to do then is disable all sub streams in the start window. So if you're willing to add the mpeg2 stream option i would be very gratefull

[RobertM]

Hi all.... first time posting to the forum.

First things first... kudos to JDobbs for a job well done. I've completed a number of backups now, and I'm settling into a rhythm that gives consistent, excellent results. And I've put my money where my mouth is ;)

I didn't get to this position, however, without some head-scratching and back-steps, so I thought I would offer three particular observations about my learning process. Some small feature changes could have smoothed over the rougher parts of my learning curve.

1: My very first attempt started well but failed after about 80% of the video was re-encoded. I retried a couple of times with the exact same results. It was a stupid error: my "working" drive was running out of storage space -- not having worked with BluRay files before I didn't have a feel for how quickly they could fill up a drive. My observation here is that BD-Rebuilder could have checked available target space before starting (or offered a better error message when the re-encoding fails).

2: Now I was able to get the process to run to completion with no error messages, and everything looked good. Not so fast... it LOOKED good (great, actually) but there was no audio when I played the resultant m2ts files. Again, I retried a couple of times with the same results. Eventually, by searching these forums and then running "Inspect.exe", I figured out that my version of AVISynth was causing the trouble. I had version 2.5.8 (installed with some other software) which I thought should be OK since it was newer than version 2.5.7 mentioned in the "readme.txt" file. My observation here is that perhaps the "readme" should make a stronger statement about using ONLY the recommended version. Also, "Inspect.exe" could be mentioned in the "readme", or maybe it could just auto-run upon the first execution of BD-RB.

3: Now everything was working perfectly and I was happy. Until, that is, I got to a movie where the resulting m2ts file wasn't what I wanted; it was longer than expected, including a lot of "extra" content (directorial stuff, comments, etc.) interspersed amongst the normal parts of the movie. It took me a little while to figure out that the "movie-only backup" option just picks the longest playlist, and that I had to choose "Other movie-only playlist" to manually select from a list of all available playlists. BD-RB doesn't seem to remember this preference, so I must remember to manually choose "Other movie-only playlist" every time or I'll just get the longest playlist by default. My observation here: If "Movie_only" is selected AND there are multiple playlists then perhaps it would be better to ALWAYS present the playlist selection box.

So that's it.

I'll freely admit that all of these problems were my own fault. I could have read the instructions more thoroughly, I could have prepared my system better, etc., etc., but we all take short-cuts now and then. I was able to work through these problems and figure out where I was going wrong, but others might just get frustrated and give up -- especially if each failed attempt took many hours. I figure that anything a developer can do to eliminate stupid user (Me!) errors will pay off in less support time, and a larger potential customer base once the app is released.

Anyway, just some ramblings from a very happy BD-RB user.

Thanks, again, for a great Application.

Regards,
Bob

[proxpilot]

i would like the ability to get rid of Cinavia protection

[omegaman7]

LOL! Don't hold your breath. Decryption, isn't what this program is about. And cinavia is hardly considered an encryption. We'd all like it to disappear, but I don't think rebuilder will be the software that implements this ability. Anydvd probably won't be either...

PS3? Be patient. I'm sure somebody will find a way.

[proxpilot]

LOL! Don't hold your breath. Decryption, isn't what this program is about. And cinavia is hardly considered an encryption. We'd all like it to disappear, but I don't think rebuilder will be the software that implements this ability. Anydvd probably won't be either...

PS3? Be patient. I'm sure somebody will find a way.

DVDfab does it, i just dont have the $60 to spend on the program at the moment

[jdobbs]

DVDfab does it, i just dont have the $60 to spend on the program at the moment Well... not really. If I understand it correctly the Cinavia is still there.

[Ch3vr0n]

DVDfab does it, i just dont have the $60 to spend on the program at the moment

DVDFab doesnt do crap, it doesnt remove anything. The only thing it does is leave the AACS folder intact and as such "fools" the cinavia stream into thinking its a "trusted source", wich it isnt. Another thing is that it requires special blanks being BDMV-REC's, wich arent really available on the normal market.

The cinavia watermark isnt removed from the audio stream at all by DVDCrap.

[Rich86]

DVDFab doesnt do crap, it doesnt remove anything. The only thing it does is leave the AACS folder intact and as such "fools" the cinavia stream into thinking its a "trusted source", wich it isnt. Another thing is that it requires special blanks being BDMV-REC's, wich arent really available on the normal market.

The cinavia watermark isnt removed from the audio stream at all by DVDCrap.

Just to throw my understanding and $.02 in here.
I have been a user of DVDFab for many years. It is a fine software package and works great.
Your comments about DVDFab and Cinavia are mostly correct, as far as I know. However, BDMV-REC is NOT a special blank media of any kind. It is a recording format used on a blank BD-R to create what appears to be an AACS protected media, thus considered a "trusted source" by the cinavia processing code in the player firmware.
The issue here is that:
1. you must have a blu-ray burner capable of making one of these "protected" discs - there are many, but not all. I have a Lite-On burner which is not capable of this. I believe the capability is referred to as "binding nonce".
2. you must have a blu-ray player capable of playing back a BDMV-REC format disc. Most standalone players are incapable of this. The PS3 IS capable of playing one of these (which is a good thing since the PS3 was the first ce device Sony targeted for imposing cinavia into the firmware - what a nice gift to their customers, eh?). One also has to believe Sony could implement a firmware change in the PS3 to get around what DVDFab has implemented to bypass cinavia at some point down the road.
3. Fengtao (DVDFab) is supposedly working on implementing an AACS protected BDAV-REC format on BD-R. This format is apparently supported by many more standalone players.

One can only hope at some point some clever soul identifies the specifics of this cinavia pollution in our precious lossless audio tracks, and elminiates it for good. In the meantime, as folks have already said, the best solution is to have and use blu-ray players that have no clue what cinavia is (which eliminates the PS3, of course). One must be selective and careful about what firmware updates you apply, ensuring cinavia processing code isn't lurking under the covers somewhere, like Sony did to their PS3 customer community.

[Ch3vr0n]

@jdobbs: i apologise in advance as this post will go a little offtopic.

well even if dvdcrap beats cinavia before slysoft, i refuse to use it. For multiple reasons.

Its currently "advertising" that it has "beaten" cinavia. It didnt beat anything, the cinavia signal is still there
Its compression algorithm sucks ass compared to anydvd & bd-rebuilder.
and last but not least it uses stolen code & software created by users here on doom9 and made available for free, but fengtao throws his own gui on it, calls it "his own software" and charges you bucketloads for it.

Oh and dont forget that the ripper, decrypter, shrinker, ... are all seperate tools, each their own license and outrageous prices.

Take this for example, all prices mentioned are for lifetime. Slysoft AnyDVD HD & BD-Rebuilder & IMGBurn vs DVDCrap
If you want to be able to rip&burn dvd's , blu-rays (either 1:1 or with compression) and convert either of them to a mobile format

SLYSOFT DVDCrap way
Rip blu-rays: AnyDVD HD for decrypting € 119 & ripping DVDFab blu-ray copy: € 73.32
burn blu-ray's: IMGBurn Price > FREE burn blu-rays: either built in burner or IMGBurn so i'll give em that: also free
Rip dvd's: FREE > already included in anydvd HD. Still totals € 119 NOT FREE (not included in blu-ray mode). Adds another € 52.47 totals € 125.79
Convert to mobile format:
DVD's: cloneDVD mobile € 55 for a total of € 174 DVD's: DVDfab dvd ripper another € 52.47 totals 178.26
Blu-ray's: BD-Rebuilder Price > FREE Blu-ray's: DVDFab blu-ray ripper: another € 73.29
----------------------------------- Total € 174 -------------------------------------------------------- Total 251.55


Now who's the winner, add to that the following
slysoft in 99% of the cases cracks protections before DVDFab
slysoft doesnt use stolen code
compression rates for CloneDVD and BD-rebuilder are WAY better then DVDCrap.
and probably other things i've forgotton

i'm safe with slysoft

[Rich86]

@jdobbs: i apologise in advance as this post will go a little offtopic.

well even if dvdcrap beats cinavia before slysoft, i refuse to use it. For multiple reasons.

Its currently "advertising" that it has "beaten" cinavia. It didnt beat anything, the cinavia signal is still there
Its compression algorithm sucks ass compared to anydvd & bd-rebuilder.
and last but not least it uses stolen code & software created by users here on doom9 and made available for free, but fengtao throws his own gui on it, calls it "his own software" and charges you bucketloads for it.

Oh and dont forget that the ripper, decrypter, shrinker, ... are all seperate tools, each their own license and outrageous prices.

Take this for example, all prices mentioned are for lifetime. Slysoft AnyDVD HD & BD-Rebuilder & IMGBurn vs DVDCrap
If you want to be able to rip&burn dvd's , blu-rays (either 1:1 or with compression) and convert either of them to a mobile format

SLYSOFT DVDCrap way
Rip blu-rays: AnyDVD HD for decrypting € 119 & ripping DVDFab blu-ray copy: € 73.32
burn blu-ray's: IMGBurn Price > FREE burn blu-rays: either built in burner or IMGBurn so i'll give em that: also free
Rip dvd's: FREE > already included in anydvd HD. Still totals € 119 NOT FREE (not included in blu-ray mode). Adds another € 52.47 totals € 125.79
Convert to mobile format:
DVD's: cloneDVD mobile € 55 for a total of € 174 DVD's: DVDfab dvd ripper another € 52.47 totals 178.26
Blu-ray's: BD-Rebuilder Price > FREE Blu-ray's: DVDFab blu-ray ripper: another € 73.29
----------------------------------- Total € 174 -------------------------------------------------------- Total 251.55


Now who's the winner, add to that the following
slysoft in 99% of the cases cracks protections before DVDFab
slysoft doesnt use stolen code
compression rates for CloneDVD and BD-rebuilder are WAY better then DVDCrap.
and probably other things i've forgotton

i'm safe with slysoft

I have no allegiance to either software developer/marketing firm (Elby/Slysoft or Fengtao). It is irrelevant to this topic.
If you dislike Fengtao/DVDFab for whatever reasons - then by all means do not purchase their products. No one cares.
Just make sure you know what you are talking about before posting your version of the details of what DVDFab actually does to bypass cinavia audio track pollution.
And calling either of them adolescent names serves no purpose for anyone.
We are all in here to learn and contribute with our fellow forum members.

[Ch3vr0n]

DVDFab actually does to bypass cinavia audio track pollution

Thats just it, it only bypasses cinavia and as such is not a fix, sony can fix that loophole on the ps3 just as fast like they did with the whole "multi-out" thing. Yes, with BDMV-REC's it won't trigger cinavia, thats because the AACS folder is still present and as such its not a fix. A REAL fix would be to remove the signal, wich DVDFAB doesnt. It's a workarround, not a fix. Plain and simple.

[Rich86]

Thats just it, it only bypasses cinavia and as such is not a fix, sony can fix that loophole on the ps3 just as fast like they did with the whole "multi-out" thing. Yes, with BDMV-REC's it won't trigger cinavia, thats because the AACS folder is still present and as such its not a fix. A REAL fix would be to remove the signal, wich DVDFAB doesnt. It's a workarround, not a fix. Plain and simple.

All true (except I believe your explanation for making a disc meet the definition of "protected" is far more simplistic than reality) - but for now - it is all that is available, and DVDFab is the only product to offer it. Hopefully better solutions will be developed down the road by someone.

[omegaman7]

How about the ability to limit/allocate how much Memory/Ram Bdrebuilder/X264 can use??? I've hit 97% more than once, and I've got 4Gb(Windows 7 64 Bit). I have to try pretty hard to get photoshop up there(Never more than 80%). When this happens, it appears that windows begins using my main hard drive for more temporary storage. In which even browsing the internet is slowed, and my hard drive gets somewhat noisy. I would love to experiment with such a feature. I don't believe there is a hidden option, unless I overlooked it :S

Should I just double my Ram? Or would Rebuilder simply use that much too? You see my dilemma here. The ability to control this would be wonderful :D

[jdobbs]

How about the ability to limit/allocate how much Memory/Ram Bdrebuilder/X264 can use??? I've hit 97% more than once, and I've got 4Gb(Windows 7 64 Bit). I have to try pretty hard to get photoshop up there(Never more than 80%). When this happens, it appears that windows begins using my main hard drive for more temporary storage. In which even browsing the internet is slowed, and my hard drive gets somewhat noisy. I would love to experiment with such a feature. I don't believe there is a hidden option, unless I overlooked it :S

Should I just double my Ram? Or would Rebuilder simply use that much too? You see my dilemma here. The ability to control this would be wonderful :D It has to be some setting on your computer (probably related to cacheing). On both of my systems (32 bit and 64 bit) it never uses more than a couple of gigabytes.

[omegaman7]

It seems to happen mainly during the first pass of the main title. Guess I'll have to do some research about this "Caching". So you've never seen the kind of usage I'm seeing eh? Might I inquire as to how much Ram you use? I really don't see the need in 8Gb of Ram, though I can think of ways of using that much.
I guess I'll only allow windows to use the minimum 16Mb of Pagefile, and see what happens. I generally don't play with settings like this though :S

[jdobbs]

It seems to happen mainly during the first pass of the main title. Guess I'll have to do some research about this "Caching". So you've never seen the kind of usage I'm seeing eh? Might I inquire as to how much Ram you use? I really don't see the need in 8Gb of Ram, though I can think of ways of using that much.
I guess I'll only allow windows to use the minimum 16Mb of Pagefile, and see what happens. I generally don't play with settings like this though :S I have 8GB on one system and 4GB on the other. But I've run the 64 bit computer on 4GB too -- and it runs just as fast. So 8GB isn't necessary.

[Hobojobo]

@jdobbs
Are you planing at some point a second audio and maybe subtitles for the alternate movie only-output for the mkv-container?

That would make the BD-Rebuilder perfect for me. :)

Thank you anyway for the soft.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
Are you planing at some point a second audio and maybe subtitles for the alternate movie only-output for the mkv-container?

That would make the BD-Rebuilder perfect for me. :)

Thank you anyway for the soft. You can do multiple audio tracks to MKV now. But subtitles aren't likely anytime soon. Blu-ray uses graphic subtitles (PGS) and currently there are no players (that I know of) that will play them. Creating text based subtitles from graphics would require OCR and that needs a lot of user interaction (OCR software isn't very robust).

[MilesAhead]

BDSup2Sub is open source. Free even for commercial purposes. If someone were adept in Java perhaps they could come up with a cli Windows native executable that just converted PGS to idx/sub in various resolutions. Here's the page with login info and link to the source if anyone wants to take a crack at it. It's been a very long time since I looked at Java code:

http://bdsup2sub.javaforge.com/help.htm#Source_Code

edit: only other solution may be an exe wrapper that has bundled jre and passes command line args to BDSup2Sub. To feed in a .sup and output an idx/sub pair with language string seems easy afa the params go. Here's one wrapper app that claims support for bundled jre avoiding a download trigger:

http://launch4j.sourceforge.net/

[Hobojobo]

You can do multiple audio tracks to MKV now.

:)

How do I let BD-Rebuilder know to take 2 audio streams (to mux into mkv)?
Can it leave the first audio stream untouched and transcode the second to ac3 for example?

:thanks:

[jdobbs]

:)

How do I let BD-Rebuilder know to take 2 audio streams (to mux into mkv)?
Can it leave the first audio stream untouched and transcode the second to ac3 for example?

:thanks: It uses the same selections from the streams list that would be used for a "regular" backup. The question then becomes: "Does your player allow you to select another audio stream?"

[Hobojobo]

I started BD-RB, selected two audio streams, chose alternate movie only and further mkv output, crf 20 and started it up.
MPC played the mkv, there is only one audio stream present.
:confused:

[jdobbs]

I started BD-RB, selected two audio streams, chose alternate movie only and further mkv output, crf 20 and started it up.
MPC played the mkv, there is only one audio stream present.
:confused: Can MPC select audio streams in MKVs?

I'll do some testing.

[Giljorak]

Can MPC select audio streams in MKVs?

I'll do some testing.

If MPC = Media Player Classic then yes MPC can select audio streams in MKVs.

[Hobojobo]

mkvmerge GUI only shows the video and the first audio stream.
And in the workfile folder I found only one demuxed audio stream.

So I guess there is only one audio stream processed.

[jdobbs]

mkvmerge GUI only shows the video and the first audio stream.
And in the workfile folder I found only one demuxed audio stream.

So I guess there is only one audio stream processed. It's entirely possible that something I've changed in one of the recent versions has caused it to revert back to one audio track. I've done quite a bit of work in that area of code. If it has, I'll fix it.

[A.Fenderson]

I keep encountering absolutely retarded authoring mistakes/idiosyncrasies in some of my Blu-rays. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=160533)But one that pops up far more often than I'd like is multiple duplicate audio tracks that eat bandwidth for no good reason. I always set BD-RB to default to retain all English tracks, as I like to keep the main audio and the commentaries. Many, many Blu-rays with a THD track have a completely idiotic duplicate Dolby Digital (only) audio track with the exact same content, bitrate, bit-depth, sampling rate, and # of channels as the compatibility stream that's tacked onto the THD track--while retarded to anyone in the know, since it's utterly unnecessary, I can almost understand this.

What I do not understand is having 1 audio track bit-duplicated another 5+ times on one stream. Granted, most of the time, this is easy enough to correct for manually (though time-consuming): I open the m2ts file in MPC-HC, toggle between each of the tracks, and confirm they are all identical, then back in BD-RB I kill all but the first entry from the rebuild list.

Now, though, this retardation has been taken to the next level: I've found a disc with 12 audio tracks per segment, and there are actually two unique tracks, each having 5 duplicates. Whereas before I could be confident that eliminating the duplicates from the rebuild list would not affect playback, that's no longer the case--I'm not 100% sure that simply deleting, for instance, all tracks but numbers 1 and 7 will actually allow proper playback of the remaining streams based on the differing choices offered in the BD's menu (with or without commentary, etc). The most recent culprit is The Notebook, btw, and I have done the math and confirmed that the duplicate tracks are not mere mirage, but actual bitrate- and space-consuming duplicate information. In fact, on the m2ts files from The Notebook which have 10 duplicate tracks each, this means that bandwidth of 10x192kbps=1.92Mbps is being completely wasted. That's 2 Megabits per second that could be put to far better use elsewhere.

The point of this tirade is this:
1. Is it possible (and for jdobbs desirable) to have BD-RB check for bit-identical duplicate audio tracks and report/disallow/etc based on this? If not, is there some way I can examine the structure of the menus on the disc to see which audio tracks are actually referenced via the menu choices, so as to delete the other ones?
2. Is it possible to have BD-RB detect m2ts files on a disc that have absolutely no playlists associated with them and report/disallow/etc based on this?

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Are you positive they physically exist? For example, when BD Rebuilder reauthors a disc in "full backup" mode and audio tracks are deselected to save space -- you still have to have a "place-holder" for all those removed tracks to keep the menuing etc. working correctly. So, for example if you had 12 choices in language but only kept one -- you would end up with 12 menu choices, and 12 language pointers -- that all point to the same physical track (all using the same PID in the MPLS).

Are these discs you've found originals -- or are they, perhaps, somthing that has been previously processed?

[laserfan]

I dunno "The Notebook" but my Apocalypse Now BD box set includes duplicate DTS-MA audiotracks (along with other audiotrack dupes maybe, I forget exactly). I'd read complaints about this and was skeptical, but looked myself and sure enough, dupes with no reason to exist. Some have lamented that the extra bits lost on these tracks could/should have been used on the video feature itself, which of course sets-off a debate about "would it have looked better if the video had been encoded using another 4400kbps of bitrate".

I was appalled by this myself when I confirmed it, but then the movie looks great so I (and others) can't say if it was possible to make it look better.

[jdobbs]

I dunno "The Notebook" but my Apocalypse Now BD box set includes duplicate DTS-MA audiotracks (along with other audiotrack dupes maybe, I forget exactly). I'd read complaints about this and was skeptical, but looked myself and sure enough, dupes with no reason to exist. Some have lamented that the extra bits lost on these tracks could/should have been used on the video feature itself, which of course sets-off a debate about "would it have looked better if the video had been encoded using another 4400kbps of bitrate".

I was appalled by this myself when I confirmed it, but then the movie looks great so I (and others) can't say if it was possible to make it look better. A guess might be that the authors did this purposely to make it large enough to become a dual layer disc. That makes simple "duplication" programs require an expensive dual layer blank -- and discourages backups for those who use that software.

[laserfan]

Hmmm that's an interesting thought indeed, and one that had never occurred to me, although while it makes sense for "The Notebook" I think there was no way to fit AN onto a 25Gb disc with-or-without duplicate tracks.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm that's an interesting thought indeed, and one that had never occurred to me, although while it makes sense for "The Notebook" I think there was no way to fit AN onto a 25Gb disc with-or-without duplicate tracks. I can tell you that something similar was employed in certain DVDs, presumably to prevent backups.

[omegaman7]

I can tell you that something similar was employed in certain DVDs, presumably to prevent backups.
Disney!!! I've seen it more than once! LOL!

How Ironic! We talk about duplicate/triplicate/etc audio tracks, and now I'm encoding a Dvd(IP man 2) that has multiple copies of the same audio track.

[A.Fenderson]

Are you positive they physically exist?
...
Are these discs you've found originals -- or are they, perhaps, somthing that has been previously processed?

The Notebook, 00024.m2ts:

file-size of ripped file: 311 MB (326,983,680 bytes)

MediaInfo for this file (to my knowledge, MediaInfo actually scans only the file you point it to, and doesn't take context into account, meaning the 12 audio tracks appearing below were found in the actual m2ts file, not in any playlist file that I never told it to scan):


Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : 234
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate : 13.7 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.276
Stream size : 257 MiB (82%)

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #3
ID : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #4
ID : 4355 (0x1103)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #5
ID : 4356 (0x1104)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #6
ID : 4357 (0x1105)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #7
ID : 4358 (0x1106)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #8
ID : 4359 (0x1107)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #9
ID : 4360 (0x1108)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #10
ID : 4361 (0x1109)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #11
ID : 4362 (0x110A)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Audio #12
ID : 4363 (0x110B)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.60 MiB (1%)

Text #1
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Delay relative to video : 1s 1ms

Text #2
ID : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 2mn 26s
Delay relative to video : 3s 795ms

Text #3
ID : 4610 (0x1202)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Delay relative to video : 1s 1ms

Text #4
ID : 4611 (0x1203)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 2mn 26s
Delay relative to video : 4s 170ms


tsMuxeR demux of all streams (17 files: video/audio/text) aggregate size: 288 MB (302,624,153 bytes). (Again, as with MediaInfo, tsMuxeR is only scanning and pulling data from the individual m2ts file I drop into it, not the BD structure in which it resides.)

By my math, that's 92.5% the size of the original .m2ts file, allowing for 7.5% muxing overhead.
The aggregate size of 10 of the 12 audio tracks (all same size) is 37,731,840, or, put another way, the aggregate size of all demuxed tracks minus 10 of the audio tracks is 264,892,313. This would mean, if the duplicate tracks don't physically exist on the disc, the actual streams that do exist only account for 81.0% of the size of the m2ts file, meaning there is 19.0% muxing overhead: I'm not incredibly familiar with typical muxing overhead percentages, so I'll allow someone with more experience in that area to comment on which muxing overhead percentage sounds more typical, etc.

md5 sums of all 12 audio tracks demuxed via tsMuxer:

638198DDF2FBF8A7BDE9B6EE21B91685 *00024.track_4352.ac3
638198DDF2FBF8A7BDE9B6EE21B91685 *00024.track_4353.ac3
638198DDF2FBF8A7BDE9B6EE21B91685 *00024.track_4354.ac3
638198DDF2FBF8A7BDE9B6EE21B91685 *00024.track_4355.ac3
638198DDF2FBF8A7BDE9B6EE21B91685 *00024.track_4356.ac3
638198DDF2FBF8A7BDE9B6EE21B91685 *00024.track_4357.ac3
0C2FF3FC1CAC87BC3107D0389AD05BAC *00024.track_4358.ac3
0C2FF3FC1CAC87BC3107D0389AD05BAC *00024.track_4359.ac3
0C2FF3FC1CAC87BC3107D0389AD05BAC *00024.track_4360.ac3
0C2FF3FC1CAC87BC3107D0389AD05BAC *00024.track_4361.ac3
0C2FF3FC1CAC87BC3107D0389AD05BAC *00024.track_4362.ac3
0C2FF3FC1CAC87BC3107D0389AD05BAC *00024.track_4363.ac3


There has been no pre-processing of any kind, other than ripping the entire disc to HDD via AnyDVD-HD.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

The PID is the number that is labeled "ID" -- so, yes, it appears they are all there since they each have unique PIDs.

Muxing overhead varies, but TS muxing isn't greatly efficient. Generally it averages about 5% for video -- but some types of content are hugely different depending upon their format. Average audio overhead hangs around 14%, but I've seen True HD take as much as 30% overhead. A lot depends on bitrate and how the resulting audio frames fit neatly into M2TS packets. For example, a 224Kbs DD audio stream takes about the same amount of space as a 192Kbs audio stream after M2TS muxing. This is one of the things that make output size estimation so difficult in BD authoring.

[Hobojobo]

Can MPC select audio streams in MKVs?

I'll do some testing.

Any success on that one?

[had-z]

Hi jdobbs, i'm looking for an option to keep the main feature intact and only reencode the extras, when the main movie is enough small without the HD-Audio

i.e. Batman Begins, the main movie weights ~17gb without the HD-AudioTrack, the extras will fit in the remaining 6gb (I thought is more than suficient), i don't want to reencode this movie because the original source already has a so-so quality (looks like a ~8gb mkv) and i save a lot of time if i can keep the movie intact.

Cheers.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs, i'm looking for an option to keep the main feature intact and only reencode the extras, when the main movie is enough small without the HD-Audio

i.e. Batman Begins, the main movie weights ~17gb without the HD-AudioTrack, the extras will fit in the remaining 6gb (I thought is more than suficient), i don't want to reencode this movie because the original source already has a so-so quality (looks like a ~8gb mkv) and i save a lot of time if i can keep the movie intact.

Cheers. I'll look at it and see.

[omegaman7]

3rd Pass option?

[JoeH]

If I understand correctly, 3rd pass is totally useless for X264.

[omegaman7]

Then one day, perhaps it will be succeeded by another encoder. I'm no programmer, but I can see the potential to improve upon the outputted video :) Don't get me wrong, X264 is great, but why stop there?
I almost wonder if the industry is attempting to encode their videos in such a way, that when encoded again, it becomes lossy. What's a really good blu ray source for testing compression? The best picture you've ever seen?

[worknstiff]

Well.... You'll get a lot of discussion on this point, but if I had to choose one, I'd have to say Baraka. It was filmed with 65mm and scanned with an 8k UltraDigital HD Process, which really shows in the amazing PQ, imho.

[omegaman7]

Looks like something I may be interested in. Thanks, I'll be checking that out for sure!

[jdobbs]

Then one day, perhaps it will be succeeded by another encoder. I'm no programmer, but I can see the potential to improve upon the outputted video :) Don't get me wrong, X264 is great, but why stop there?
I almost wonder if the industry is attempting to encode their videos in such a way, that when encoded again, it becomes lossy. What's a really good blu ray source for testing compression? The best picture you've ever seen? Are you sure your problems aren't in the playback? I don't think you will find a better encoder than X264 (at any price). Frankly I'm amazed at the quality I get every time I use it.

Encoders that use 3+ passes are either trying to use a gimmick (to sell themselves) or are making up for lousy analysis during the first pass. Once you make a single pass you have all the information needed to allocate available resources and do knowledgable encoding (pass 2).

[omegaman7]

Noted. Thanks JD. I have been leaning toward rendering settings as well ;) Powerdvd did play slightly better.

[jdobbs]

Noted. Thanks JD. I have been leaning toward rendering settings as well ;) Powerdvd did play slightly better. X264 supports more passes, and I could enable it easy enough -- but I'd feel a little "dishonest" in doing so. It makes people feel they are getting something that they really are not.

[omegaman7]

You explained it well enough. I'm gonna have to agree with you ;)

[StanHere]

J Dobbs:

1) Please "Try Again" for a """BDR Feature Request ONLY""" thread....only for BDR Features!!!!!

2) If 1) is done, my request: for BDR 25's ....Option to keep source DTS audio as is AND add a second AC 5.1 /6ch at say 640kbit or 440kbit if feasible.
_____________________
Since this thread is now convoluted................ :p
a) Really looking forward to BDR's full potential !!!!
b) Given A), Had to make a $15 developer's donation...Hope it Helps.

Thank You

[emilio99]

It would ne nice when it is possible to rip the 3D-Stream untouched, so the output will become Full-Side-by-Side.

Whats the plan with 3D integration?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs, @A.Fenderson

Are the audiostreams listed in the analysis taken DIRECTLY from the original, commercial Blu-ray disc, or are they taken from the BD-RB processed version?

Unless I'm misinterpreting the posts regarding "The Notebook" audiostreams, I believe that "something is rotten in Denmark". The PRIMARY audiostream isn't likely to be 2 channel 192kbps .AC3, is it? That description sounds like a .WAV portion of an LPCM stream...

The following is a listing, per "HiDef Digest" of the audiostreams contained in the Blu-ray version of "The Notebook":

Audio Formats
English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound
English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
Russian Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound

If the "HiDef Digest" listing is correct and complete, I don't understand how the multip0le 2 channel 192kbps streams can exist...

[A.Fenderson]

@jdobbs, @A.Fenderson

Are the audiostreams listed in the analysis taken DIRECTLY from the original, commercial Blu-ray disc, or are they taken from the BD-RB processed version?

Unless I'm misinterpreting the posts regarding "The Notebook" audiostreams, I believe that "something is rotten in Denmark". The PRIMARY audiostream isn't likely to be 2 channel 192kbps .AC3, is it? That description sounds like a .WAV portion of an LPCM stream...

The following is a listing, per "HiDef Digest" of the audiostreams contained in the Blu-ray version of "The Notebook":

Audio Formats
English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound
English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
Russian Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound

If the "HiDef Digest" listing is correct and complete, I don't understand how the multip0le 2 channel 192kbps streams can exist...

If you're referring to this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1502436#post1502436), that m2ts file (named 00024.m2ts, with size 311 MB, and ripped straight from the original pressed BD, as mentioned) was an extra--it was not any part of the feature/main-movie playlist (which I believe was only 1 file). I didn't mean to imply that the m2ts file in question was part of the feature/main-movie, or that all the m2ts files exhibited this behavior, but only that an appreciable portion of the m2ts files that comprise the extra/bonus content do exhibit these space-wasting, duplicate audio streams.

I'm not where I can verify this, but this may additionally have been one of those discs I mentioned previously (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1502113#post1502113) where the feature/main-movie set of m2ts files did have a completely redundant, stand-alone AC3 track which exactly mirrors the compatability-track tacked onto the THD track, and therefore does waste space in the feature/movie file(s).

[setarip_old]

I'm not where I can verify this, but this may additionally have been one of those discs I mentioned previously where the feature/main-movie set of m2ts files did have a completely redundant, stand-alone AC3 track which exactly mirrors the compatability-track tacked onto the THD track, and therefore does waste space in the feature/movie file(s).From what I can see, this does indeed appear to be the case with "The Notebook", a January 2009 Blu-ray release.

I mention and highlight the date because it's entirely possible (and believable) that at this early point in Blu-ray production, thorough knowledge regarding disc structuring (menus, in particular) may have been somewhat lacking. (Not that this presentation of "First play" is "wrong", but it has proven to be less desirable and now is hardly ever used.)This disc plays the movie first, requiring the user to access the menu from the movie.

IIRC, the menu that is accessed this way is not actually a "Main Menu", but rather a menu of the "Extras" plus a link to "Play" (and setup). It's my sense that, for lack of knowledge, a disc was prepared that had separate sets of audiostream pairs (Commentary On and Commentary Off) for each of the "Extras" categories - as well as, for the main movie, a True HD audiostream and (as you speculated) an unnecessary separate 640 5.1 .AC3 audiostream...

[had-z]

I'll look at it and see.

Hi! finally i do the backup without reencoding the main movie (Batman Begins) moved the main movie (17gb) to another folder and encode all the remaining stuff to a specific target (6400mb), after the reeconding is done i moved the movie to the rebuilded folder and the total size was of 23,1gb!! perfect for burn bd25 and the best part is the innecesary reencode of the movie.

After this procedure i thought would be amazing an option to no reencode specific titles. i.e. right-click "no reencode" next to the option for preview titles.
Another great feature would be compress a selected group of m2ts to a specific target size, this feature would be very useful for titles with a lot of extras i.e inglourious basterds or iron man 1 allowing a higher bitrate for the movie.

Cheers jdoobs.

[berndy2001]

@option to keep the main feature intact and only reencode the extras
I'll look at it and see.

that would be awesome. Like in DVD-RB where you can select for each stream to keep it, reencode it or blank it.

Edit: Read the previous post is hard. sorry.

Also a great option would be to downscale selected streams (like extras) to 720p.

[jfcarbel]

1. blanking of selected streams. multiAVCHD has accomplished this so its seems possible to do.

2. Ability to pass in # of seconds to chop from end of titles (credits cutting) and use as a tsmuxer parm option. Maybe this could simple start as a HIDDEN_OPTS.

3. As mentioned in prior post, ability to create a DVD-9 consisting of everything but the main movie (i.e. a bonus/supplements) disc.

[owine]

Feature request, or maybe already possible but I didn't see it. Save the ISO file (if selected) to a directory other than the workfiles directory. Could be defined for all jobs or on a specific basis.

[setarip_old]

@jfcarbel

Hi! blanking of selected streams. multiAVCHD has accomplished this so its seems possible to do. Not if you want to retain menus and other "non-movie-only" functions.

[jfcarbel]

@jfcarbel

Hi! Not if you want to retain menus and other "non-movie-only" functions.

Sorry, I do not follow I have blanked out many forced previews,etc on Warner titles and the menu comes up and works just fine.

[jdobbs]

Sorry, I do not follow I have blanked out many forced previews,etc on Warner titles and the menu comes up and works just fine. The original menus, or the one created by MultiAVCHD?

[Capsbackup]

The original menus, or the one created by MultiAVCHD?

The original menus work fine after using multiAVCHD in Blu-ray re-author mode to blank unwanted trailers, FBI warnings, adverts, etc... It is important to be very selective to what is being blanked, since there can be several menu .m2ts files that make up the working menu, and other dependent files that are necessary to keep. :cool:
I use re-author mode successfully quite often for the above mentioned! :)

Note: If I were to experience any kind of problem after using this method, I would NOT report it in the bug report thread ! ;)

[setarip_old]

My apologies. It appears that I've overlooked the following thread regarding using multiAVCHD for re-authoring while retaining the original menu(s):

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361599#post1361599

[jdobbs]

My apologies. It appears that I've overlooked the following thread regarding using multiAVCHD for re-authoring while retaining the original menu(s):

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361599#post1361599 Don't feel alone. I didn't know it could do it either.

[OgonBatto]

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for your great software!!!
I don't know if my suggestion is out of the scope of the BD Rebuilder, but I will try.
I like to suggest a routine to replace the audio and/or the subtitles tracks. Would be nice if I can replace, for example, a "whatever language" .sup subtitle for a "my language" .sup(that was previously created by me).
Especially for subtitles it would be very nice.
Sorry my bad English.
Thank you a lot.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for your great software!!!
I don't know if my suggestion is out of the scope of the BD Rebuilder, but I will try.
I like to suggest a routine to replace the audio and/or the subtitles tracks. Would be nice if I can replace, for example, a "whatever language" .sup subtitle for a "my language" .sup(that was previously created by me).
Especially for subtitles it would be very nice.
Sorry my bad English.
Thank you a lot. I'll look at a way to make it easier -- but you can do that now (at least for titles that are all in one M2TS).

1. After encoding of the main feature M2TS is completed and before rebuild starts, stop the job.
2. Replace the .SUP file for the track you want to change with the one you created.
3. Resume the job.

BD-RB then rebuilds with the .SUPs that are there, whether they are the original or your own.

You could also wait until the entire job is complete, and then do step 2 followed by starting the job. When it says "Resume?" -- just say yes. It will redo the rebuild, but not the encoding.

[Video Dude]

jdobbs, do you know if it would be possible for BD-RB to change the color of .sup subtitles? A number of movies have yellow subtitles and I would prefer to make all the subtitles I backup light gray.

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, do you know if it would be possible for BD-RB to change the color of .sup subtitles? A number of movies have yellow subtitles and I would prefer to make all the subtitles I backup light gray. It's certainly possible. The color map is included in the .SUP file. I'd have to see how much work it would be. Probably the easiest way would be to change the color palette to shades of gray.

[OgonBatto]

I'll look at a way to make it easier -- but you can do that now (at least for titles that are all in one M2TS).

1. After encoding of the main feature M2TS is completed and before rebuild starts, stop the job.
2. Replace the .SUP file for the track you want to change with the one you created.
3. Resume the job.

BD-RB then rebuilds with the .SUPs that are there, whether they are the original or your own.

You could also wait until the entire job is complete, and then do step 2 followed by starting the job. When it says "Resume?" -- just say yes. It will redo the rebuild, but not the encoding.

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for the tip!!

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for the tip!! Let me know how it works out.

[OgonBatto]

Let me know how it works out.

Ok, I will do the test on weekend. Thanks!

[OgonBatto]

Hi jdobbs,
I did the test. It's worked like a charm!
After the entire job was completed, I replaced the .sup file and started / resumed the job.
So, using an hex editor, I changed the 3 letters idiom on the correspondent playlist and clipinf.
Hope you understand my bad english.
Thank you so much!

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs i was wondering if you've thought already about the previously mentioned idea by me and several others to have a 3rd path labelled "Output Path" to minimize HDD overhead even more. It would seriously decrease my "encoding workload". Also how's that idea comming along i pmed about, any progress on that ? ;)

[JoeH]

Jdobbs i was wondering if you've thought already about the previously mentioned idea by me and several others to have a 3rd path labelled "Output Path" to minimize HDD overhead even more. It would seriously decrease my "encoding workload".

+1 :thanks:

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Of all the suggestions and requests for enhancing BD Rebuilder, I believe there's only one that would actually address information that exists on some Blu-rays that BD Rebuilder is still unable to process - namely, "DTS Express" audiostreams.

I would respectfully request that, for the sake of completeness, "DTS Express" should be at the top of the list regarding enhancements (Obviously, bug fixes take priority over this and other such requests)...

[djmasturbeat]

I am really hoping for a stable blanking feature.
I know you said you have been running into snags trying to implement it, and I am not surprised.

I can do this sometimes with programs like Clown_BD BD Copier, but as I use this feature a lot for splitting series BD50s to 2xBD25, this plain doesn't always work. One of the main causes of a borked split disc is "Play All" (of course). Not all discs with this actually come out bad, but many do. I actually had some success on some discs that failed in other programs, by just making very small dummy m2ts files in place of the episodes m2ts. For some reason this comes out better than the ones reauthored by Copier (tried both regular and TSMuxer mode, btw) and other software. I am sure this is really fudging it, but for whatever this works at times when other methods don't. It results in sometimes a rather long pause starting the second disc by way of "Play All" (much like the pause that occurs when using play all on second disc of after doing a DVD9 split with VobBlanker... it has to run through the blanked m2ts first... unfortunately we don't have a BD equivalent of pgcedit or atleast one I know of or understand how to use, since for me, trying to figure out BDEdit is a mess, and it still has no manual)
Sometimes these discs just plain don't want to be split tho, no matter what I have tried. they may play the menu fine but get stuck there. some play the logos and other first play items, but that is IT. stops even before the menu.
The worst cases are ones with only one MPLS for all of the episodes on the disc (seriously). there might be other MPLS files, but they are just logos and play first adverts and the sort. If I try to split these types the best version of the second half of the disc that I get is one with video but no audio.

I know the feature that you are working on that should work once blanking does, is the ability for things like menu and extras. I do this kind of thing a lot too. Make a BD25 of movie or movie+menu, and make a BD5 (or 2 or 3) of extras +menu. they also can have really weird issues.
heck, sometimes just blanking things in Copier and doing a movie and menu sometimes also results in an unplayable disc (getting stuck at menu or logos, etc)


anyhow, I know I don't know anything about how this stuff really works, but I can appreciate, from my laymanview, the complexity of this request, what with all the ways clips can be called, etc, etc.

So, yes this is my most sought-after feature, so thanks for continuing to work on this difficult feature that is deceptively though by some as easy to create. I hope I have enough spare $ around to donate when this one gets added. I am poor, but I certainly will try to find a way to chip in something for this feature =)

..

I also would like to be able to have different Work path and Output path. It is available in DVDRB, but seems to be even more important for such large files as these. For overhead and just drive space issues it is a really big feature I would lie to see.

[Capsbackup]

So, yes this is my most sought-after feature, so thanks for continuing to work on this difficult feature that is deceptively though by some as easy to create. I hope I have enough spare $ around to donate when this one gets added. I am poor, but I certainly will try to find a way to chip in something for this feature =)

With so many features already, it does not sound very good to offer a donation IF a feature is added! :rolleyes: :eek:
Thankfully jdobbs is generous enough to offer BD-RB for free. ;)

[KarstenS]

An other request (I hope Its not requested hunded of times earlier):

An option to rebuild for Smartphone playback (iOS, Android, WP7).

There are many converters, that convert DVDs to Smartphone compatible format. But I don't owe DVDs anymore. So converting BDs to a Smartphone compatible format (with good quality) would be nice to watch my movies, when I'am not at home. Resizing to, for example, 800x480 should reduce the output size too.

[omegaman7]

Resolution has nothing to do with output size. Bitrate on the other hand does. However, a smartphone needs little more than 320 x 240 at a small bitrate to look reasonable. So a small file size is indeed doable.

I would think the ipod MP4 output would be enough for a smartphone. But I don't use my phone like that, so I don't know :S

[jdobbs]

I'm not sure all the smartphones use the same video formats, so I'd need to get specifics. It's likely you can do it already if you created your own profile in ALTERNATE.TXT (look in the "Misc" folder). If you do, let me know the settings that work and I can add them to the default file that gets distributed.

[KarstenS]

I want to recode to Windows Phone 7. Actually, they all have a resolution of 800x480 pixel.

I will take my first try with this set:

caption=Windows Phone 7, 720x480/576, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=1009
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=6
cType=2

[KarstenS]

The result got played back on the phone, but with wrong aspect ratio (got streched in height).

I tried the IPad MP4 HD 1280x720, 128kbps AAC, but at sync Zune converted it again. I think because of too big resolution.

I've calculated the a little bit. 800x450 would be the 16:9 resolution for recoding for playback on the display without resizing in the phone.

[had-z]

I'm posting here because i don't know if this is a bug or a feature that was in past builds and removed in the latest builds.

Here is the problem:
- Before if i want to do a backup of a disc that oversizes the BD25 capacity by a few MB or 1 GB (excluding the HD Audio/s), BD_RB keep the main feature intact and re-encode only the extras. (i.e. Troy, original size was 24,xx gb without the HD audios)
- Now if i want to do a backup of a source disc with exactly 24gb without the HD Audios BD_RB encode the extras and the movie (the movie weights 15,7gb VC-1) obviously is no necesary the reencode of the movie to fit in a BD25 disk. (The disc i'm talking is 300)

The option for output in BD_RB is 24400MB (larger than the BD25 default)

Cheers.

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs, i was wondering. I'm using a software program to organise my movie collection and it has the option to set the audio / subtitle streams on the disc. Now i just started to update my collection and for speeding things up i picked BDRB to identify the streams. However the thing is directors comments (both subs & audio) are identified as language only. Is there a way to indicate in the tree if it's commentary audio, commentary subs, audio/subs for hard of hearing, ... I don't know if this can be determined from the BD structure, that's your thing. Thats the reason i'm asking. It would significantly improve the accuracy of my database in "Movie Collector" from Collectorz.com

Also wondering if it would be possible to display the movie runtime next to the Discname at the very top. Eg:

Carriers (84min)
---VID_00007 ....

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, i was wondering. I'm using a software program to organise my movie collection and it has the option to set the audio / subtitle streams on the disc. Now i just started to update my collection and for speeding things up i picked BDRB to identify the streams. However the thing is directors comments (both subs & audio) are identified as language only. Is there a way to indicate in the tree if it's commentary audio, commentary subs, audio/subs for hard of hearing, ... I don't know if this can be determined from the BD structure, that's your thing. Thats the reason i'm asking. It would significantly improve the accuracy of my database in "Movie Collector" from Collectorz.com

Also wondering if it would be possible to display the movie runtime next to the Discname at the very top. Eg:

Carriers (84min)
---VID_00007 ....
I'm away from my computers for the next week or so -- but I'll do a little research when I get back.

[Ch3vr0n]

How's it going with that other idea of mine we discussed over pm a while back ;)

[longtom]

Any possibility to see which subtitles are forced ones?
(to see which sub is forced after extracting the main movie and all subtitles of one language would be enough).

Normally i extract main movie, 1 language and all subs to that language. Then i convert it with H264 Turbo from Elgato to AppleTV format. In the new version also subtitles are supported, so i want to select only the forced on.

Thanks!

[longtom]

So, i learned now a little bit more on forced subtitles.
Great would be if BD Rebuilder extracts ONLY the forced subtitles of a subtitle track. (e.g. Pavtube Blu-Ray ripper has such a feature, but makes not as good conversions as Elgato).
Then in Elgato i can select these subtitles and then its hardcoded.

@jdobbs would this be possible? Thx!

[jdobbs]

So, i learned now a little bit more on forced subtitles.
Great would be if BD Rebuilder extracts ONLY the forced subtitles of a subtitle track. (e.g. Pavtube Blu-Ray ripper has such a feature, but makes not as good conversions as Elgato).
Then in Elgato i can select these subtitles and then its hardcoded.

@jdobbs would this be possible? Thx! Individual subtitles (not a complete stream) are "forced". In other words, you may have a complete stream of "English" subtitles that reflect all spoken words -- but only a few (for example when a different language is spoken) might be "forced".

Subtitles are so small that they virtually no impact on the output quality -- why even bother worrying about it? Just keep all subtitles all the time (that's what I do).

Of course, now that I think about it, sometimes European titles can have a huge number of subs... I guess just having to select from that list during playback might be a factor. I'll take a look at it. Unfortuantely it would mean I have to scan the entire set of subtitle streams to see if any are "forced".

[longtom]

The "problem" is that when i select the subtitles in Elgato Turbo.264 then all subtitles (Extracted from BD Rebuilder) are visible all the time in the Video.
When BD Rebuilder extracts only the forced (Option), then only the forced would be visible.

[longtom]

Unfortuantely it would mean I have to scan the entire set of subtitle streams to see if any are "forced".

Yes, maybe if "Forced" option is enabled to scan before are there any forced ones and afterwards to extract them. I don't know if it is possible to do it "on the fly".

Also i don't know how Pavtube Blu-Ray Ripper is doing it.
I select the stream and then there is no visible scan for forced subs, encoding starts from the beginning (to e.g. AppleTV Format).

:thanks:

[jwjohnson]

Here's my workflow for forced subs:
Rip to HD with AnyDVDHD.
BDRB Movie Only with 1 English Soundrack and all English Subs.
Use BDSub2Sup to examine the subs in the BDRB workfiles folder. It will report if there are forced subs in each sub track. If there are none, that just makes it easier. (You can skip the rest and just use the built in function in BDRB to output for a different device. Since there aren't any forced subs you don't need to mess with them.)
Use RipBot264 and load the single .mt2s file created by BDRB. I adjust settings to 2 pass encoding with 1024 bitrate, no cropping, and resize to whatever I need. (Usually this is for my iPad so I do 1024xwhatever is needed for the aspect ratio of the movie. RipBot264 will Demux the mt2s and then let you pick which sub/audio streams to put back in your movie. (If you didn't check the subs out in the BDRB/Workfiles folder you can do that now with BDsub2sup. They are in the Temp/Work/YourMovie folder that RipBot created) In the subtitle selection in Ripbot I just pick the stream that has the forced subs and then make sure it is only going to display the forced ones. You can also use the preview function and see the subtitles as they will end up. If all looks good, I add it to the queue and then start the reencode. RipBot is definitely slower than BDRB, but you will eventually end up with a good looking/sounding movie that displays the forced subs and plays on your device.

It's worked for me so far on all the movies I've tried (Avatar extended collectors, Taken, Tourist, Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons to mention a few).

Jeff

[longtom]

Thanks, I'll try.

Nevertheless if BD Rebuilder extracts only the forced ones, it would be much easier (at least for me ;) )
:thanks:

[longtom]

Here's my workflow for forced subs:
Rip to HD with AnyDVDHD.
BDRB Movie Only with 1 English Soundrack and all English Subs.
Use BDSub2Sup to examine the subs in the BDRB workfiles folder. It will report if there are forced subs in each sub track. If there are none, that just makes it easier. (You can skip the rest and just use the built in function in BDRB to output for a different device. Since there aren't any forced subs you don't need to mess with them.)
Use RipBot264 and load the single .mt2s file created by BDRB. I adjust settings to 2 pass encoding with 1024 bitrate, no cropping, and resize to whatever I need. (Usually this is for my iPad so I do 1024xwhatever is needed for the aspect ratio of the movie. RipBot264 will Demux the mt2s and then let you pick which sub/audio streams to put back in your movie. (If you didn't check the subs out in the BDRB/Workfiles folder you can do that now with BDsub2sup. They are in the Temp/Work/YourMovie folder that RipBot created) In the subtitle selection in Ripbot I just pick the stream that has the forced subs and then make sure it is only going to display the forced ones. You can also use the preview function and see the subtitles as they will end up. If all looks good, I add it to the queue and then start the reencode. RipBot is definitely slower than BDRB, but you will eventually end up with a good looking/sounding movie that displays the forced subs and plays on your device.

It's worked for me so far on all the movies I've tried (Avatar extended collectors, Taken, Tourist, Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons to mention a few).

Jeff

Till now i check with HdBrStreamExtractor and SupRip if there are forced ones.
If then i would convert it with pavtube blu ray ripper (option only forced subtitles checked), maybe before extract main movie with BDRebuilder (didn't have enough time if Pavtube markes the Main movie exactly) , finished.
If not, extract main movie with BDRebuilder, convert with Elgato H.264, finished.

[Rich86]

The latest "game" studios are playing with released BDs is to have disguised, bogus and multiple playlists in order to confound backing up a title in movie only mode. It can be tricky to identify which playlist is the correct one. Sometimes these multiple playlists are legitimate (dynamic branching of different language titles, etc. in films - Disney does this a bit). At other times, it is just intended to convince a program or person to process an incorrect playlist. As an example . . the animated feature "Anastasia" has 4 playlists that look alike (same length, # of chapters, etc.). BDRB defaults to the lowest numbered one. How can we be certain that is the one we want? Is there a way to reliably determine which playlist is being run by the main menu on the disc, so we can be sure to pick the right one when backing it up or converting it? Is there a player program that will handle the menus and show which playlist has been selected and is running?

[jdobbs]

The latest "game" studios are playing with released BDs is to have disguised, bogus and multiple playlists in order to confound backing up a title in movie only mode. It can be tricky to identify which playlist is the correct one. Sometimes these multiple playlists are legitimate (dynamic branching of different language titles, etc. in films - Disney does this a bit). At other times, it is just intended to convince a program or person to process an incorrect playlist. As an example . . the animated feature "Anastasia" has 4 playlists that look alike (same length, # of chapters, etc.). BDRB defaults to the lowest numbered one. How can we be certain that is the one we want? Is there a way to reliably determine which playlist is being run by the main menu on the disc, so we can be sure to pick the right one when backing it up or converting it? Is there a player program that will handle the menus and show which playlist has been selected and is running? You can right-click on the M2TSs and play them from within BD-RB.

Some of them (like "Source Code") have a ridiculous number of choices -- and most are goofy (with repeated scenes). There's no easy way to tell which is the "real" feature.

[jwjohnson]

If you are using AnyDVDHD to decrypt the movie it will tell you the valid playlists (it works fine for Source Code).

[longtom]

If you are using AnyDVDHD to decrypt the movie it will tell you the valid playlists (it works fine for Source Code).

Where do you see this in AnyDVDHD?

[longtom]

@jdobbs
Is the Ipad 1280x720p output the same as it would be for AppleTV2?
Is it Stereo or 5.1?

[Rich86]

If you are using AnyDVDHD to decrypt the movie it will tell you the valid playlists (it works fine for Source Code).

I do not use AnyDVD. I'm not working with "Source Code".
I was actually playing around with the animated title "Anastasia" which indicates 4 full feature playlists - all valid, the same length and all the same number of chapters. I expect they are related to language selections where dynamic branching is used to change the language being displayed in credits, titles, etc. within the movie itself. Disney uses this approach also. That's why I was inquiring about a method to indicate or tell which playlist the BD disc menu process has selected and is using/playing as a way to select the desired playlist to be processed within BD-RB.

[jwjohnson]

Where do you see this in AnyDVDHD?
You see it in the blu ray disc status window.

[jdobbs]

You see it in the blu ray disc status window. Hmmm... I've never noticed that. I think I'll check it out. If there's a way for them to find it -- there has to be a way for me as well.

[Rich86]

Hmmm... I've never noticed that. I think I'll check it out. If there's a way for them to find it -- there has to be a way for me as well.

I believe the newest versions of these decrypting programs (Slysoft & Fengtao) are requiring internet connections to handle newer titles. I wonder if the programs need access to file servers to access data telling the program which playlist, etc. to default to. If AnyDVD knows which playlist to default to in a title such as "Source Code", is that because the program can figure it out? Or because someone figured it out and made the info available to the program via the Slysoft program server. Just some thoughts . . .

[jwjohnson]

Hmmm... I've never noticed that. I think I'll check it out. If there's a way for them to find it -- there has to be a way for me as well.
Here's a link to some discussion on it. That may help to get you started.

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=49011

[jdobbs]

Here's a link to some discussion on it. That may help to get you started.

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=49011Ahh... so it only applies to Java protected discs. I'm guessing (a questionable guess) the BD-J code is scanned for a text string then. Of course that probably wouldn't work for 99% of titles.

[Ch3vr0n]

@rick86: you're wrong about anydvd "requiring" internet to handle newer protections. The online database speeds up decryption but is not a requirement. If you disable the database in settings it will still decrypt just might take a bit longer. And if it fails to decrypt you can then try the online BD.

[Rich86]

@rick86: you're wrong about anydvd "requiring" internet to handle newer protections. The online database speeds up decryption but is not a requirement. If you disable the database in settings it will still decrypt just might take a bit longer. And if it fails to decrypt you can then try the online BD.

OK - I was basing my comments on posts in the Fengtao & Slysoft forums where server updates were applied to handle new titles (where before it seemed to always require a new release to handle something they had not anticipated).

[Ch3vr0n]

server updates are applied yes and that results in the increased decryption but it's not mandatory. hell i've had it use the local database on newer discs. If it would NEED the online database then there wouldn't be a local one anymore + there would be no need for Peer to create special BDPHash.bin's (for blu-rays) to get a local decryption. Even with the online database if they're really new or have a new protection there's no guarantee that the online database will be able to decrypt. Thats why a local DB will always be usefull, that and the fact that not every computer is hooked up to the internet. If they were making it mandatory to have online access (like that crappy passkey or DVDFab itself), then a bucketload of users would get screwed over that don't hook their computer up to the net. They'd be unable to decrypt the discs. That's not a slysoft way, thats the fengtao "screw you" way.

[Rich86]

server updates are applied yes and that results in the increased decryption but it's not mandatory. hell i've had it use the local database on newer discs. If it would NEED the online database then there wouldn't be a local one anymore + there would be no need for Peer to create special BDPHash.bin's (for blu-rays) to get a local decryption. Even with the online database if they're really new or have a new protection there's no guarantee that the online database will be able to decrypt. Thats why a local DB will always be usefull, that and the fact that not every computer is hooked up to the internet. If they were making it mandatory to have online access (like that crappy passkey or DVDFab itself), then a bucketload of users would get screwed over that don't hook their computer up to the net. They'd be unable to decrypt the discs. That's not a slysoft way, thats the fengtao "screw you" way.

Thanks for your perspectives.
However, DVDFab works perfectly fine.

[setarip_old]

@Ch3vr0n

"Rich86" was delightfully subtle when, in response to your diatribe, he stated: Thanks for your perspectives.
However, DVDFab works perfectly fine.

I, on the other hand, always try to leave no room for doubt.

Your remarks regarding AnyDVD vis-vis the competing software sold by "fengtao" are uncalled for - and in one instance, downright silly. As far as I know, the only legitimate way to acquire any of "fengtao's" software is via the Internet...

[Ch3vr0n]

Well my oppinions are my own and based on personal experience with both products, i've tried em both and anydvd+cloneDVD2/BD-Rebuilder is just the superior one imo. The output of those combo's compared to the output of that single product suite is easy. Slysoft wins, and the fact that DVDCrap (what i like to call it) used (and probably still uses) code that was supposed to be freewhare and slapped his own mark on it and then charges for it, just doesn't sit right with me. However i won't argue with the fact "to each his own". We also werent discussing HOW to acquire any of the software. The "internet" part was referring to some (ifnot all) of DVDFab's part needing to have a permanent internet link to decrypt. This is something that's not the same with AnyDVD. It has an online database yes, but it's not mandatory to have it active. So you misunderstood everything on that part.

[setarip_old]

@Ch3vr0n If they were making it mandatory to have online access (like that crappy passkey or DVDFab itself), then a bucketload of users would get screwed over that don't hook their computer up to the net. They'd be unable to decrypt the discs. That's not a slysoft way, thats the fengtao "screw you" way.
Not to belabor the point (And I won't comment further) but the FULL thought I was expressing would have been:

As far as I know, the only legitimate way to acquire any of "fengtao's" software is via the Internet. Therefore, it's obvious that any legitimate user of the software would NOT be at risk of not being able to use it for lack of an Internet connection.(Again, I won't comment any further)

[jdobbs]

Let's please end this conversation -- as it is very off-topic for this thread.

[Ch3vr0n]

Will do, got a re-request for you and i really hope you can implement it soon. I just noticed that my drive's S.M.A.R.T. health status got changed from: Good (in green color) to WARNING (in yellowish color) on my main drive. From the research i've done that sort of thing happens when the drive's health drops below 70% or something. I'm pretty sure its because of the drive overhead created by having to demux, recoded and remux again all on the same drive. Resulting in drive overhead, that just can't be good. So i really really hope you can and will implement that 3rd output selection box soon (below the workfiles one). Having a different target for each operation will result in significant performance, i'm sure of it. Cause right now when it is done demuxing and recoding is finished it has to read the recoded files and remux them into the new m2ts file all on the same drive. That drive head must be going all over the place constantly.

So please implement that feature soon, can't be too big of a deal (i hope).

[techno1]

I usually [Write to ISO] and then use ImgBurn to create the BD. I'd like to burn directly to BD auto-magically using ImgBurn and be able to specify the burn speed, thus bypassing the ISO creation. Perhaps something that could be set in the config file? Example: IMGBURN_WRITE_SPEED=n n = 0/1/2/4/6/8 0=max 1=1x 2=2x 4=4x etc.

:thanks:

[jdobbs]

I usually [Write to ISO] and then use ImgBurn to create the BD. I'd like to burn directly to BD auto-magically using ImgBurn and be able to specify the burn speed, thus bypassing the ISO creation. Perhaps something that could be set in the config file? Example: IMGBURN_WRITE_SPEED=n n = 0/1/2/4/6/8 0=max 1=1x 2=2x 4=4x etc.

:thanks: The speed will be whatever you had it set for in the previous burn. So just set it, and BD-RB won't change it.

[Rich86]

Using BD-RB to create a menu + extras disc - feedback:

Source = "Death Race 2" BD ripped to hard drive using DVDFabHD.
This title has 4 separate playlists for the main feature (rated and unrated @ 2 & 28 chapters each).
I played around in "other movie only playlist" mode to ensure I could select a mpeg file to blank that would blank all 4 main feature playlists.
Then, in "full backup" & "edit mode", I blanked that selection, and ran the program (D; drive input, C: drive output) in "High-Speed Option (25gb)" mode.
It ran fine, quickly and to conclusion. The output files look fine. I used imgburn to burn to a BD-RE disc. That worked fine.
I tested the disc on my Sony player - I did not watch it all, but bounced around the menu & selections enough to satisfy myself the movie playlists were blanked but all the extras were still there. All looks well. This is a very nicely featured program.

Question (or suggestion):
Is there a way to select the main title playlists to be blanked by choosing the playlists themselves - like shown in the "Other Movie-Only Playlist" dialog box?
I may have missed it, but I could not see a way to do that - hence the exercise to find a specific file that looked like it was common to all 4 main feature playlists.

[laserfan]

The speed will be whatever you had it set for in the previous burn. So just set it, and BD-RB won't change it.Further, techno1 you do know that ImgBurn has an AWS (Automatic Write Speed) feature whereby you can specify your preferred burn speeds, for both drives and media?

[djmasturbeat]

this might be a bit down the line after other feature requests like *blanking and *separate workpath and output path, but
once blanking becomes implemented, I would like to be able to designate not only the ratio of video compression like DVD-RB uses, but also if I want to keep an audio track or not, or whether to re-encode, but possibly apply different re-encoding values (or not re-encoding) on a track-by track basis. So that, depending on available space I can dictate how much goes to a commentary track, and how much to give to the main audio, or maybe how much to leave for the dub for the kids if it is foreign animation, etc.

Along the same lines is this would enable me to keep the main movie's (retained) audio and video untouched, and re-encode only the extras of those I am keeping (obviously only if the main movie is smaller than BD25, or is smaller after removing audio tracks I don't want), and possibly reencode different extras at different rates, depending on need or which i like best of them. Right now there is no nice way that i know of to do this other than me doing it manually track by track.

sorry if it is a bit wordy and I miss the mark of what i am trying to say :
basically I would love to see something like a segment viewer, but being able to take into account audio as well as video, with the full gamut of options (for each audio we keep be able to pick no re-encode, core, encode LPCM / or re-encode "a" to "x")


thanks again for some awesome software and all the time you put into it to share with us.

[longtom]

Use BDSub2Sup to examine the subs in the BDRB workfiles folder. It will report if there are forced subs in each sub track.
Jeff

Thanks for this hint!
Works fine with the Workfiles folder (i usually deleted it automatically) and BDSub2Sup.
If there are forced ones i encode it with Pavtube, if not with Elgato H.264.

[jfcarbel]

Thanks for the blanking feature in the hidden edit (aka advanced mode) in latest release. Testing now.

One request, tsmuxer gives ability to cut from front and back of streams. MultiAVCHD has a split and cut tab. I know that I have tried it with full backup and it seems to work fine. Not sure if multiAVCHD has to modify the playlists or not since length is effected if cutting.

But with regards to the request, if possible, in edit mode, please allow us to enter a start and end cut value that program will then use to pass into tsmuxer cmdline. Start should default to zero so users know that is default for not cutting from front of movie. Hopefully, this can work in movies/menus and full backup mode as well as multiAVCHD seems to accomplish.

BTW, can you add ability to resize the window. Now with edit mode, it would be nice to lengthen the window vertical since it displays more streams, etc.

[samtroy]

Hello jdobbs,

any plans or developments to support Intel's "Quick Sync" in some way? For decoding maybe?

I think this is a *very* interesting technology. Tests have been great so far.

Thanks for your answer, S.

[jdobbs]

Hello jdobbs,

any plans or developments to support Intel's "Quick Sync" in some way? For decoding maybe?

I think this is a *very* interesting technology. Tests have been great so far.

Thanks for your answer, S. If it happens it would likely have to be a part of X264 and FFDSHOW development.

[Paddy97]

When using alternate movie only output to MKV format I would love to have the selected subtitle (SUP format) to be muxed into the finished MKV.
Today I manually mux them into the MKV since they are neatly extracted into the work directory.

[jdobbs]

When using alternate movie only output to MKV format I would love to have the selected subtitle (SUP format) to be muxed into the finished MKV.
Today I manually mux them into the MKV since they are neatly extracted into the work directory. I wasn't aware that any players could play back SUP files from an MKV?

[Paddy97]

I wasn't aware that any players could play back SUP files from an MKV?

Boxee does it great. Not sure when they added the support but I found out last week and was very glad to find it.

[jfcarbel]

Can you add to the following to the output log file:

1. average fps for the main video encode

2. size of main movie stream for: original, after demux (that is with deselected audio, video, subs), after recoding. So one can compare the main movie stream sizes:

- original
- selected video/audio/subs
- after recode

From this one can determine the percentage of shrinkage needed during the recode. This would provide some nice metrics.

3. indicate x264 engine used (if any recoding done)

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

The following post, made at the MakeMKV Forum may provide some enlightenment regarding getting the PSG/SUP subpics RECOGNIZED by players:

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=808&p=3474&hilit=Justin+Chase#p3474

setarip_old wrote:

@TexasGrillChef

Hi!

If you've got a BIG bloody rare porterhouse on the grill for me, thanks to fellowmember "Justin Chase", I'll share the secret with you - the secret being how to get viewable PGS subtitles in an MKV container WITHOUT having to bother with OCR ;>}

It's not really a secret, if you're a careful reader (Seems to me I've mentioned this to you at one or two forums before)

Carefully read the following earlier posts to this thread by me and "Justin Chase":

Start with my post dated 1/21/10 and read through and including the 1/24/10 post by "Justin Chase".

To summarize:

1) Use the newly available "MKVCleaver" to automatically extract the PGS subtitle stream as a .SUP file.
2) Load the .SUP file into "BD Sup2Sub"
3) Save as "SUB/IDX"
4) Load original MKV into "MKVMerge" GUI ("mmg.exe")
5) "ADD" "SUB" file ("IDX" file will be rejected - not needed anyway)
6) "MOVE" "SUB" file up until it is one position higher than the matching PGS file (So that it precedes the PGS file when reading from the top down)
7) Set an output filename and location and click on the "Start muxing" radiobutton.

And that's all she wrote ;>}

And because I have a sense of with whom I'm dealing:

Step 1 = 5-10 minutes (Depending on system)
Steps 2-6 combined = How fast can you type? One to two minutes for input, with one hand tie behind your back
Step 7 = 10-15 minutes

Mmmmm, smells like that steak is just about ready ;>}

(Let me know how things go)

[jfcarbel]

Feature to blank by playlist for multiple main movie discs (i.e. Directors Cut and Original).

Blue Brothers movie has several m2ts files which make up the main movie. This movie is has 2 versions and are not setup as branching, so its difficult to determine what to blank out.

I would like to do "movies and menu" backup but with the ability to choose only one of the main movie playlist versions. Or choose the playlist version to blank.

[SquallMX]

Long GOP for BD-5/BD-9 would by nice, BD-Rebuilder already uses "--vbv-bufsize" and "--vbv-maxrate" <= than 15000, but uses 1 second gop (24 frames), using Long GOP (2 seconds, 48 frames) should give a free 2-3% boost on video quality and is totally compliant, IMHO on BD-5 even a small gain is important.

[jdobbs]

Long GOP for BD-5/BD-9 would by nice, BD-Rebuilder already uses "--vbv-bufsize" and "--vbv-maxrate" <= than 15000, but uses 1 second gop (24 frames), using Long GOP (2 seconds, 48 frames) should give a free 2-3% boost on video quality and is totally compliant, IMHO on BD-5 even a small gain is important. It already does that. See the hidden option: EXTENDED_GOP=n

[SquallMX]

It already does that. See the hidden option: EXTENDED_GOP=n

Wow, I totally miss that option :p:p:p.

Thanks for your hard work.

[JJB]

I have a feature request that could help me and mabe some others.

I'll use Cars2 as an example. I have a need for a BD25 and a BD5.
In batch mode if I select BD25 first then save to batch then add the same movie as BD5 the completed batch mode output will only have a BD5 as it replaced the BD25 of the same name.

Can BD Rebuilder apply a suffix to the file the same as it does to a DVD5 such as BD25, BD5 or even 1,2 or 3 as necessary.

Thanks for an outstanding product, your time, patience and support!!

[jdobbs]

I have a feature request that could help me and mabe some others.

I'll use Cars2 as an example. I have a need for a BD25 and a BD5.
In batch mode if I select BD25 first then save to batch then add the same movie as BD5 the completed batch mode output will only have a BD5 as it replaced the BD25 of the same name.

Can BD Rebuilder apply a suffix to the file the same as it does to a DVD5 such as BD25, BD5 or even 1,2 or 3 as necessary.

Thanks for an outstanding product, your time, patience and support!! I'll come up with something. I'll probably just automatically suffix the name so it doesn't overwrite in batch mode.

[JJB]

I'll come up with something. I'll probably just automatically suffix the name so it doesn't overwrite in batch mode.


Outstanding and Thank You Sir. :D

[Ch3vr0n]

I have a small request too that hopefully shouldnt be too difficult to add (next to that 3rd destination path browse option), and that's to play a (user selectable or maybe the default imgburn) sound when the rebuild with imgburn is complete. With the new methods of blanking and dts-e i burn iso's first to see if they play ok. The thing is that imgburn only plays the sound if burning to a physical disc is completed. My request would be to play (imgburns?) sound when it tells BDRB iso creation has been completed.

[owine]

Small request, not sure if it's feasible.

Could the copying of BD structure be done at the start of the process? This is mostly for backups directly from physical discs, I have to leave the disc in the drive all the way thru the encode process because it copies the structure at the end. If this were done at the beginning, I could remove the disc, insert a blank and turn on write to disc for an unattended backup. Having to leave the original disc in during the whole encode seems pointless once all tracks have been extracted.

[Capsbackup]

Small request, not sure if it's feasible.

Could the copying of BD structure be done at the start of the process? This is mostly for backups directly from physical discs, I have to leave the disc in the drive all the way thru the encode process because it copies the structure at the end. If this were done at the beginning, I could remove the disc, insert a blank and turn on write to disc for an unattended backup. Having to leave the original disc in during the whole encode seems pointless once all tracks have been extracted.

That is why you rip the disc to the hard drive. ;) If BD-RB did what you request, you are not saving much hard drive space anyway! :cool:

[owine]

That is why you rip the disc to the hard drive. ;) If BD-RB did what you request, you are not saving much hard drive space anyway! :cool:

How so? I am simply shrinking directly from the physical disc for my BD25 backup. I am simply looking to skip a step for physical discs I have.

[jdobbs]

I always rip to disc, and then delete after I've reencoded. One thing you'll find for sure is that it runs much faster during encode.

[Capsbackup]

I always rip to disc, and then delete after I've reencoded. One thing you'll find for sure is that it runs much faster during encode.

I think you mean rip "the" disc to your hard drive, be it to iso or to files, then run BD-RB against that rip. :p

[jdobbs]

I think you mean rip "the" disc to your hard drive, be it to iso or to files, then run BD-RB against that rip. :p Exactly. I simply copy the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to a directory (named as the volume id) on my hard drive.

[Sharc]

I'll look at it.
Any conclusion / chance for implementation?

[jdobbs]

Any conclusion / chance for implementation? It depends which "I'll look at it" you're talking about. There are quite a few of them.

[Sharc]

It depends which "I'll look at it" you're talking about. There are quite a few of them.
This one (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1497357#post1497357), about the filter prefix.

[omegaman7]

The ability to "FORCE_NOENCODE=" on a particular m2ts/playlist? Fairly often, I see BD's that are VERY close to single layer, but not quite. By not reencoding the main title, it would force rebuilder to compress the extras further perhaps.
Although ideally, specifying how much compression per clip would be exquisite. Because often, I see extras with very high bitrates, where they don't need it ;) I believe 1080p extras, will look plenty agreeable at 5000 - 6000KB/s. But I see them pushing 10,000KB/s fairly often.

I apologize if I asked this before. I've had the thought before, but I don't think I asked :o

[Ch3vr0n]

suggestion: remove the "Encoder" menu entry under "settings", since ya cant change the encoder anyway and x264 is very powerfull it seems useless (& redundant) to have it remain in the menu.

[ni9ht_5ta1k3r]

I wonder what would happen if you converted a BD that has video @ 25fps to either 24fps or 30fps. would fps conversion of video kill the disc structure in some way like bookmarks etc?

If FPS conversion does no harm then i want that put in cos I have BDs that are 25, 50fps and i want to make them playable on my Japanese PS3 which doesn't take 25 or 50fps.

[omegaman7]

Here's a thought. I'm currently watching rebuilder encode "The Change-up". [VID_50290] is being mistaken as a Non extra. In other words, I have quick encode for extras checked, and it's taking its time with this video clip(trailer for "Honey 2"). Eventually processors will be significantly faster, making this comment nearly pointless. But at present, most processors require hours to encode.
Since we can preview the clips before using the blanking feature, perhaps we can tell rebuilder that it's an extra manually as well? That way it doesn't have to make the determination itself :) Or perhaps rebuilder simply needs more/wiser code for determining what an extra is. Which may be an easier route eh?

Never really paid attention to how it encodes trailers. Perhaps it simply treats the trailers like the main title.

[Sharc]

From the changes.txt:
June 20th, 2011 - v0.38.4
- Added code to handle non-standard 1080p/25 and
1080p/29.97 sources and use "--fake-interlaced"
in the command line to make them compliant.
I suggest to add 576p/25fps and 480p/29.970fps to this non-standard list to make it compliant.

I tried with DEINTERLACER_TYPE=4 for a 576p/25 case, but it seems to have no effect (the crf encode did not get --fake-interlaced asserted).

[Sharc]

Case: Movie and Menus mode on BD-5.
First of all the recent improvements in auto-menu selection are superb!

Now I noticed that the menus are getting encoded:
a) sometimes like the Feature (i.e. 2-pass or CRF prediction respectively), or
b) sometimes 1-pass using the Quick_CRF
The (large, high bitrate) DTS audio of the menus are always copied intact rather than being recoded to smaller AC3. Therefore case a) may result in blocky menus because of heavy shrinking of the menu video keeping the large DTS audio, whereas b) results in good quality menus as controlled by the Quick_CRF.
So here my questions:
- What is the decision for a) or b) based on?
- Wouldn't it help to convert the DTS audio of the menus to AC3 (i.e. same as the feature audio) in order to free up bitrate for the menu video?
- or just always use Quick_CRF for the menu video stream encoding to prevent blocky menus?

[jdobbs]

Case: Movie and Menus mode on BD-5.
First of all the recent improvements in auto-menu selection are superb!

Now I noticed that the menus are getting encoded:
a) sometimes like the Feature (i.e. 2-pass or CRF prediction respectively), or
b) sometimes 1-pass using the Quick_CRF
The (large, high bitrate) DTS audio of the menus are always copied intact rather than being recoded to smaller AC3. Therefore case a) may result in blocky menus because of heavy shrinking of the menu video keeping the large DTS audio, whereas b) results in good quality menus as controlled by the Quick_CRF.
So here my questions:
- What is the decision for a) or b) based on?
- Wouldn't it help to convert the DTS audio of the menus to AC3 (i.e. same as the feature audio) in order to free up bitrate for the menu video?
- or just always use Quick_CRF for the menu video stream encoding to prevent blocky menus? Menu audio will always be kept intact -- not doing so can cause a host of issues.

Menus are encoded at whatever setting you have selected for "Extras".

[Sharc]

Menu audio will always be kept intact -- not doing so can cause a host of issues.
ok, understood.

Menus are encoded at whatever setting you have selected for "Extras".
Even in "Movie and Menus only" mode? I had some cases (e.g. the lincoln lawyer) where the menu is encoded like the feature, i.e. 2-pass or 1-pass crf predictive depending on my settings for the feature, although I always had "Quicker" Encode for Extras enabled.

[omegaman7]

I started an encode a few minutes ago, and then changed my mind about the file size output. Is there really a need for the program to re-extract from the main folder? The .264 file/s, .sup/s, etc shouldn't change at all. But then I know nothing about the .264 standard in this regard. If I were doing a major change to the job, I would understand. But I'm merely converting to a single MKV output. Surely all that needed to be changed would be the setup file, script files(?), and .temp files. Just curious really. The transfer/conversion of the m2ts file only takes a couple minutes with multi drive setups. Just thought I'd throw this out there ;)

[jdobbs]

I started an encode a few minutes ago, and then changed my mind about the file size output. Is there really a need for the program to re-extract from the main folder? The .264 file/s, .sup/s, etc shouldn't change at all. But then I know nothing about the .264 standard in this regard. If I were doing a major change to the job, I would understand. But I'm merely converting to a single MKV output. Surely all that needed to be changed would be the setup file, script files(?), and .temp files. Just curious really. The transfer/conversion of the m2ts file only takes a couple minutes with multi drive setups. Just thought I'd throw this out there ;)

What if you did it after a couple of M2TSs had already been processed? What if the new output size would make it possible to not need any processing? There are a number of reasons why it has to start over.

[omegaman7]

LOL, I guess I knew there was something. Honestly, the kind of code i'm thinking of, is near pointless, and a waste of time anyway. Most people know exactly what they're shooting for, when they click backup. I guess it was just in my face, having to retransfer the files ;)

[jfcarbel]

Small requests, but I believe would improve usability:

1) Please, ability to resize main window.

2) Add duration to VID items

Example (where 4:05 is duration of this stream/VID element):
VID_00380 MPEG-2, 480i, 29.97fps, 4:05, 112.85MB

This will make it easier to identify the extras we want to keep on an extras backup disc without having to preview.

[Yannes]

I'm currently trying to add an audio track to a blu-ray disk but without losing the menu. The problem is that when I remux the audio in the movie file, the referenced mpls file that triggers the playback of the movie file doesn't notice the new remuxed audio. This is probably because I tried to change an AC3 for a DTS-HD track.

I've tried to create the blu-ray with MultiAVCHD to keep the menu and meanwhile change the audio, but only the menu background video ends up in the new blu-ray: the menu itself is gone. This is probably because the multiavchd doesn't recognise the m2ts files because they don't contain video, just the menu text.

So I was wondering of there is any chance that you could add a function to add/remove audio files of specific movie files in the blu-ray. BD rebuilder seems the only option to keep the menu intact.

This has been asked before (here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=153343)), I hope you can add this feature to make this tool perfect.

[SquallMX]

I'm currently trying to add an audio track to a blu-ray disk but without losing the menu. The problem is that when I remux the audio in the movie file, the referenced mpls file that triggers the playback of the movie file doesn't notice the new remuxed audio. This is probably because I tried to change an AC3 for a DTS-HD track.

I've tried to create the blu-ray with MultiAVCHD to keep the menu and meanwhile change the audio, but only the menu background video ends up in the new blu-ray: the menu itself is gone. This is probably because the multiavchd doesn't recognise the m2ts files because they don't contain video, just the menu text.

So I was wondering of there is any chance that you could add a function to add/remove audio files of specific movie files in the blu-ray. BD rebuilder seems the only option to keep the menu intact.

This has been asked before (here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=153343)), I hope you can add this feature to make this tool perfect.

Little off-topic, but about your problem, you can use BDEdit to Fix the MLPS references, with just a couple of clicks you can modify the audio track order and correct the audio track format from DD (Dolby) to DTS-HD XLL (DTS Master Audio).

[Yannes]

Little off-topic, but about your problem, you can use BDEdit to Fix the MLPS references, with just a couple of clicks you can modify the audio track order and correct the audio track format from DD (Dolby) to DTS-HD XLL (DTS Master Audio).

I tried that, I changed the audio to DTS-HD XLL in the playlist files, then applied it to the clipinfo and saved both. But when I try to playback the blu-ray, as soon as I click a title, it just gets stuck with the menu background and no sound/video is shown.

BDinfo seems to recognize the DTS-HD MA audio, but scanning the bitrates doesn't work.

[SquallMX]

I tried that, I changed the audio to DTS-HD XLL in the playlist files, then applied it to the clipinfo and saved both. But when I try to playback the blu-ray, as soon as I click a title, it just gets stuck with the menu background and no sound/video is shown.

BDinfo seems to recognize the DTS-HD MA audio, but scanning the bitrates doesn't work.

Thats because you're using the original CLPI, you have to replace it with the one created by tsmuxer, make sure the name (number) is the same, also if the start timecode used by the original file is not "00:10:00.000 " (most professional titles use 00:00:11.655 or something like that) you will need to change that too otherwise the movie duration will be off.

If you need more help create a new thread in order to avoid the "off-topicness".

[kristian65]

Hi i have a request i would like to add if possible and its a pause/start button between demuxing and rmts muxing if no reencode needed.

Maybe its a stramge request but i put forced flags on subs in BDsup2sub because in movie only somehow forced flags dissapear for me.
so if there is a pause button i can replace the demuxed sub with my forced flags sub and dont have to mux manualy my self.

[RobertM]

Hi JDobbs,

Small suggestion regarding page 1 of the "Bug Reports" thread; could you include the version number for the Haali link. The FFDSHOW and AVISYNTH links show the version number, so it is easy to see if those need to be updated with any new BD-RB release. To decide if the Haali version has changed I have to download it and compare it to my currently installed version.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Hi JDobbs,

Small suggestion regarding page 1 of the "Bug Reports" thread; could you include the version number for the Haali link. The FFDSHOW and AVISYNTH links show the version number, so it is easy to see if those need to be updated with any new BD-RB release. To decide if the Haali version has changed I have to download it and compare it to my currently installed version.

Thanks. Sounds reasonable.

[Ch3vr0n]

I got a small feature request that hopefully should be to hard to do. I often need to take a look at the BDRB logfile for a disc i did on a certain day (with eg blanking) but had to abort and i have processed a different one after it. Now the thing is, i often know what disc it is but not what day i processed it. The BDRB logfile only mentiones the time of a job right now, so my request is if you could somehow alter the logfile appearance to look something like this.

Eg:
From
[22:37:43] BD Rebuilder v0.40.02 (beta)
- Source: FRIENDS_WITH_BENEFITS
- Input BD size: 34,21 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:58:01.168]
- Target BD size: 22,95 GB

To:

[dd/mm/yy] BD Rebuilder v0.40.02 (beta)
[22:37:43] Source: FRIENDS_WITH_BENEFITS
- Input BD size: 34,21 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:58:01.168]
- Target BD size: 22,95 GB


Or:

[dd/mm/yy]
[22:37:43] BD Rebuilder v0.40.02 (beta)
- Source: FRIENDS_WITH_BENEFITS
- Input BD size: 34,21 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:58:01.168]
- Target BD size: 22,95 GB

That way retrieving a disc from the log would be much faster, and reselecting the previously blanked out clips would be much easier and there would not be a need to preview them again.

[jdobbs]

I got a small feature request that hopefully should be to hard to do. I often need to take a look at the BDRB logfile for a disc i did on a certain day (with eg blanking) but had to abort and i have processed a different one after it. Now the thing is, i often know what disc it is but not what day i processed it. The BDRB logfile only mentiones the time of a job right now, so my request is if you could somehow alter the logfile appearance to look something like this.

Eg:
From


To:


Or:


That way retrieving a disc from the log would be much faster, and reselecting the previously blanked out clips would be much easier and there would not be a need to preview them again. I can do that.

[omegaman7]

I would be interested in that as well. Often, I find myself hunting through the log, for particular reasons. A date would be helpful. No need to reply, just showing my interest ;)

[Capsbackup]

Along these lines of keeping the log file for BD-RB completed jobs, would it be possible to keep a copy of the log file, perhaps in a seperate folder like the "Misc" and "Tools" folder, of all jobs performed by BD-RB? Might be a different .txt file that has been named by date and number for each separate job. I know this folder could get filled with lots of .txt files, but at least there would be another location to have saved the previous log file for reference! :)
Too many times I delete the working folders after completion of a backup and there goes the log file! :(

[KarstenS]

Something would be nice: disk merging.

I am rebuilding my movies for storing them on my MediaCenter. But there are some movies, I would like to do this different: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition.

All three main movies are split to 2 BD50. For my MediaCenter I would like to get them together, to get only one icon for one movie and for seamless playback of the whole movie.

Just an idea. Maybe there are other movies too.

[SquallMX]

Another one, a "No re-encode" option for the Edit Mode, sometimes you can fit a disc onto a BD25 just by re-compressing the bonus materials.

:thanks:

[omegaman7]

another one, a "no re-encode" option for the edit mode, sometimes you can fit a disc onto a bd25 just by re-compressing the bonus materials.

:thanks:

+1 :)

[stefandee2k]

Hi,
I'm looking for an option for convert only one or some DTS track to AC3, but not all the track.
Sometimes you can fit a disc onto a BD25 just by re-compressing a DTS-HD track to AC3.

I've checked the hidden option and the Faq, but I haven't found anythink about my request.

Thanks

stefandee

[jdobbs]

Hi,
I'm looking for an option for convert only one or some DTS track to AC3, but not all the track.
Sometimes you can fit a disc onto a BD25 just by re-compressing a DTS-HD track to AC3.

I've checked the hidden option and the Faq, but I haven't found anythink about my request.

Thanks

stefandee There currently is no option to do that. You either select none or all to be converted.

[stefandee2k]

There currently is no option to do that. You either select none or all to be converted.

Can you insert in future an option that allows this selection ?

[jdobbs]

Can you insert in future an option that allows this selection ? I can, but I can't say when.

[HatchetMan]

Been using BD-RB for over a year, but just getting into the whole MKV thing now that I have my unRAID and a couple HTPC's up and running. I was using MakeMKV to do DVD rips keeping the original audio and video intact, BD-RB for the HD re-encodes of course. Only problem with MakeMKV was the subs. Playing them back in several different programs, they were either on or off, no way to distinguish between leaving on only the forced subs (though I have since read a way to have MPC-HC display only the forced subs in the language of your choice). Even a simple DVDShrink rip would display only the forced subs when selecting 'let my player decide' (but obviously no MKV option).

I then went on to HandBrake which I had previously only used for my iPOD conversions. Selecting high profile, mkv output, and crf of 18 gave me great outcomes - excellent video quality and small file sizes. Why I was drawn to it vs. several other proggies was for the option to burn in forced subs only. This was a popular feature for some folks with players that did not handle subs very well, figured I fell into that same category, and have strictly used it for all my DVD to MKV conversions since.

Now that I am using BD-RB to do MKV for the HD rips, Real Steel came out fantastic btw, I would love to see the option to burn in forced subs only, like that of District 9 for the alien speak. (Handbrake does not handle the BD subs). And for the times when I do not know if there are any, it would simply not burn them in, because there were none that were forced, even though the option was ticked. And some may even appreciate the alternative to burn in the entire subtitle track for foreign films. Just a thought, I would certainly appreciate the burn in forced subs option :-) Thanks Jdobbs!

[setarip_old]

@HatchetMan

Hi!

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to read your post? (Think PARAGRAPHS)...

[HatchetMan]

Like the 720p 448kbps ac3 mkv option for tv shows and 1080p 640kbps ac3 mkv option for my movies.

How about a 1080p 448kbps ac3 mkv option for those chick flicks or really old/restored films where you just can't tell the difference in audio anyways but love the perfect HD vid?

[Sharc]

A hidden option to force menus encoding at a fix (user defined) crf.

[jdobbs]

A hidden option to force menus encoding at a fix (user defined) crf. It will currently use the value of QUICK_CRF=nn if you have that set.

[Sharc]

It will currently use the value of QUICK_CRF=nn if you have that set.
I have set it, but menus are encoded using crf prediction -- same as feature (I am using 1-pass crf encoding).

Added:
When I select 2-pass encode for the feature, menus are also encoded 2-pass although QUICK_CRF=nn is set and Quick encode for extras is selected.

[jdobbs]

I have set it, but menus are encoded using crf prediction -- same as feature (I am using 1-pass crf encoding).

Added:
When I select 2-pass encode for the feature, menus are also encoded 2-pass although QUICK_CRF=nn is set and Quick encode for extras is selected. That probably means BD-RB isn't recognizing them as menus -- that can happen easily on BD-J menus. There's really nothing on the disc that says "I'm a menu" -- it's more of an educated guess based upon several factors.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Kudos on the raft of new capabilities you've added over the past few updates at a fast and furious pace - I hope you don't burn yourself out before the DTSExpress conundrum is solved ;>}

[Sharc]

That probably means BD-B isn't recognizing them as menus -- that can happen easily on BD-J menus. There's really nothing on the disc that says "I'm a menu" -- it's more of an educated guess based upon several factors.
How about an "anything but the feature" rule?
Means if I set QUICK_CRF=nn AND select "Quicker encode for Extras" the menus and the Extras (i.e. anything but the feature) will be encoded using the QUICK_CRF=nn setting?

[jdobbs]

How about an "anything but the feature" rule?
Means if I set QUICK_CRF=nn AND select "Quicker encode for Extras" the menus and the Extras (i.e. anything but the feature) will be encoded using the QUICK_CRF=nn setting? I'll look at it. The problem is that BD-RB also has to keep an eye on the ratio of extras to feature. On some discs a higher CRF could result in little or no space for the feature.

[Ch3vr0n]

Havent run an encode lately (the last couple versions) but saw in that DGenc thread that you implemented my date suggestion. Just wanted to say thx for doing so. It will make searching for an encode alot faster (whenever you added that :))

[Ch3vr0n]

update. Just started an encode and took a look at the date. I noticed it's using the US dateformat mm/dd/yyyy. I was wondering if it was possible to have BDRB respect the windows localisation setting. Cause the default for belgium : dd/mm/yy (day first).

[jdobbs]

update. Just started an encode and took a look at the date. I noticed it's using the US dateformat mm/dd/yyyy. I was wondering if it was possible to have BDRB respect the windows localisation setting. Cause the default for belgium : dd/mm/yy (day first). Hmm... didn't think of that. I'll have to look -- I think the automatic formatting accepts it in a fixed dd/mm/yyyy or mm/dd/yyyy format. I'm pretty sure there's a way, I just need to do some quick research.

[morphus]

Is there a way to convert from 1080p25 to 1080p24?

Thank

ML

[jdobbs]

Is there a way to convert from 1080p25 to 1080p24?

Thank

ML That isn't hard to do, but what's the source? 1080p25 isn't a legal format on BD.

[morphus]

It's a Zone B (France) Blu Ray

[Ch3vr0n]

well that's my disc region (diff country though, Belgium is also region B), but the discs here are authored in 24p and not 25p. It's the player that "converts" it (if you can call it that) to 25p and then pushes it to the TV. Reason i'm saying this is because there's a setting on my panny DMP-BD85 that plays discs back in their native 24p mode. The only catch is that you have to use an HDMI cable to do so. I think morphus is confusing the actual disc framerate vs the one that gets output to the TV.

[jdobbs]

It's a Zone B (France) Blu Ray That format isn't blu-ray legal in any zone. The blu-ray standard is the same blu-ray standard everywhere.

[morphus]

Ok, but if I get the property of the m2ts file it says 25 fps not 24. And BD Rebuilder says 1080i 25 fps

Here is the detail of the first track according to BD Rebuilder
VID_00000 VC-1, 1080i, 25fps**, 33.668.49 MB

[Sharc]

Ok, but if I get the property of the m2ts file it says 25 fps not 24. And BD Rebuilder says 1080i 25 fps

Here is the detail of the first track according to BD Rebuilder
VID_00000 VC-1, 1080i, 25fps**, 33.668.49 MB
In PAL countries 1080i/MBAFF/25fps sources are quite usual.
These sources are normally not truly interlaced (the 2 fields are identical), but the standard requests these to be encoded as interlaced (e.g. using MBAFF), and BD-RB does this accordingly. So why do you want to convert to 24fps? One reason I would see is if you downsize to 720p. At present this is done by duplicating frames (converting 25fps to 50fps in order to comply with the standard) which takes considerably longer to encode. 720p/24fps (or 23.976fps) would in this case indeed be a nice alternative ;)

[jdobbs]

Ok, but if I get the property of the m2ts file it says 25 fps not 24. And BD Rebuilder says 1080i 25 fps

Here is the detail of the first track according to BD Rebuilder
VID_00000 VC-1, 1080i, 25fps**, 33.668.49 MB Then it isn't 1080p... it is 1080i, which is completely legal. In order to convert 1080i/25 to 1080p/24 (23.976) you just have to deinterlace first. After that it's best just to assume the new framerate and adjust with audio. You could also drop one frame a second -- but sometimes that causes jerky action.

[morphus]

Is there a way to do it with BDRebuilder?

Thanks

[morphus]

In PAL countries 1080i/MBAFF/25fps sources are quite usual.
These sources are normally not truly interlaced (the 2 fields are identical), but the standard requests these to be encoded as interlaced (e.g. using MBAFF), and BD-RB does this accordingly. So why do you want to convert to 24fps? One reason I would see is if you downsize to 720p. At present this is done by duplicating frames (converting 25fps to 50fps in order to comply with the standard) which takes considerably longer to encode. 720p/24fps (or 23.976fps) would in this case indeed be a nice alternative ;)

I want to convert it to 24fps because my North American Blu Ray player doesn't seem to like 1080i25, when I try to play a compressed BR with BDRebuilder, it will just not play.

BTW this is a Region 2 disc, for which I've remove the region code with AnyDVD to be able to play it in a North American (Region 1) player

[jdobbs]

Is there a way to do it with BDRebuilder?

Thanks Not currently. But I can look at adding it... I'm just not sure whether the demand justifies the effort.

[JoeH]

Thanks again for the latest DVD sub improvements for TSMuxer subs.

On Bluray to DVD conversion, the subtitles end up with a grey border. I find that makes them kind of hard to read and would prefer a black border. Is there a way to get that? If not, would you consider adding that option? Thanks a lot.

I tried changing the DVD_SUB_BACKGROUND=2, but that didn't seem to make a difference (I get the impression that is referring to something other than the border color as the default is transparent).

[jdobbs]

Thanks again for the latest DVD sub improvements for TSMuxer subs.

On Bluray to DVD conversion, the subtitles end up with a grey border. I find that makes them kind of hard to read and would prefer a black border. Is there a way to get that? If not, would you consider adding that option? Thanks a lot.

I tried changing the DVD_SUB_BACKGROUND=2, but that didn't seem to make a difference (I get the impression that is referring to something other than the border color as the default is transparent).

The problem with BD to DVD subtitle conversion is that the palette shrinks from 256 possible colors in BD to 4 (three colors and one "transparent") in DVD. So the best yoiu can do is hit the nearest average of the source colors. I choose a single color (white, green, or yellow) and do a grayscale equivalent of three colors. There are limits to what you can do with that -- so some conversions just have to be "as good as you can get". The only alternative might be a black/white two color arrangement, and having tried it, it generally looks worse.

[drmih]

This option may be present but I'm not sure how to implement it. Every so often in Batch mode an encode will fail, sometimes just down to a computer having a bad day. When the Batch moves on to the next title it automatically clears the WORKFILES. Is it possible when the program fails within a batch that it renames the WORKFILES directory and then continues?

[jdobbs]

This option may be present but I'm not sure how to implement it. Every so often in Batch mode an encode will fail, sometimes just down to a computer having a bad day. When the Batch moves on to the next title it automatically clears the WORKFILES. Is it possible when the program fails within a batch that it renames the WORKFILES directory and then continues? The way to get around that would be to use a different workfile for each job. If space becomes an issue, tell BD-RB to remove the workfiles (REMOVE_WORKFILES=1) in your INI. The workfiles will only be removed if the job completes.

[MalibuDave42]

Feature request: I would like the final movie output to be named <movie title>.m2ts, not 00000.m2ts. This would allow me to keep my DVD-writeable BD trees intact AND also allow correct display of movie titles in WMC7.

Now, all the the trees have the movie 00000.m2ts which WMC can see, but all are seen as the same movie name.

Thanks

[MalibuDave42]

I would like to write the final tree to it final storage location. Second, would a RAM disk increase the speed of processing the files? If Temp was stored on a 8gb RAM disk.. increase speed?

[jdobbs]

Feature request: I would like the final movie output to be named <movie title>.m2ts, not 00000.m2ts. This would allow me to keep my DVD-writeable BD trees intact AND also allow correct display of movie titles in WMC7.

Now, all the the trees have the movie 00000.m2ts which WMC can see, but all are seen as the same movie name.

Thanks????? The output is in Blu-ray format... anything other than a numeric name would be illegal. I'd suggest you rename them if you want them in some other format.

[iSeries]

Regarding 1080p25 / 1080i25 - I have 3 UK bought blu rays ('Triangle', 'Super' and 'The Inbetweeners Movie') which are indicated as 1080i25, however all three are entirely progressive. I am assuming they were encoded with some kind of fake interlaced setting to make them 'compliant'.

[jdobbs]

Regarding 1080p25 / 1080i25 - I have 3 UK bought blu rays ('Triangle', 'Super' and 'The Inbetweeners Movie') which are indicated as 1080i25, however all three are entirely progressive. I am assuming they were encoded with some kind of fake interlaced setting to make them 'compliant'.It would depend on the settings used. If "Deinterlace" was selected, yes, they would be encoded as progressive with "fake-interlaced" flags. If not, they would be encoded as interlaced.

[iSeries]

It would depend on the settings used. If "Deinterlace" was selected, yes, they would be encoded as progressive with "fake-interlaced" flags. If not, they would be encoded as interlaced.

Sorry, what I mean is, the actual original discs themselves are flagged as 1080i25 but are actually 1080p25. So the studios must have encoded them with some kind of fake interlaced setting.

[jdobbs]

Sorry, what I mean is, the actual original discs themselves are flagged as 1080i25 but are actually 1080p25. So the studios must have encoded them with some kind of fake interlaced setting. They would have to in order for the disc to be compliant.

[iSeries]

Exactly - but going back to the previous request someone made regarding 1080i(p)25 > 1080p24 conversion, in the case of a progressive stream marked as interlaced BD Rebuilder should encode as progressive even if de-interlacing is NOT selected, otherwise the output would come out as interlaced?

[jdobbs]

Exactly - but going back to the previous request someone made regarding 1080i(p)25 > 1080p24 conversion, in the case of a progressive stream marked as interlaced BD Rebuilder should encode as progressive if de-interlacing is NOT selected, otherwise the output would come out as interlaced? Well... not exactly. Most of the time the only difference between "progressive" and "interlaced" is the fact that a true interlaced source would have a temporal 1/50th of a second difference (in PAL) between fields at the time of recording, and therefore the fields should be analyzed and encoded with that in mind.

If the source is progressive but flagged interlaced, BD-RB would treat it as interlaced. The thing you'd lose is a bit of efficiency in the encoding since the fields are handled individually -- but the output would still actually stay "progressive" marked as interlaced -- since there is no temporal difference between the fields.

If you had "delinterlace" selected, a deinterlacing algorithm would be run against the frame (on a progressive source it would have little effect since there really isn't any interlacing), and the output would be processed as a full frame with "fake-interlace" flags applied.

[iSeries]

If the source is progressive but flagged interlaced, BD-RB would treat it as interlaced. The only thing you'd lose is a bit of efficiency in the encoding since the fields are handled individually -- but the output would still actually stay "progressive" marked as interlaced -- since there is no temporal difference between the fields.

If you had "delinterlace" selected, a deinterlacing algorithm would be run against the frame (on a progressive source it would have little effect since there really isn't any interlacing), and the output would be processed as a full frame with "fake-interlace" flags applied.

Thank you for the explanation jdobbs, this clears it all up for me :thanks:

[Hobojobo]

Hi,
I haven't used BD-RB for a while:
Is it now possible to produce a mkv-video with more than one audio stream and subtitles using the alternate output option?

[jdobbs]

Hi,
I haven't used BD-RB for a while:
Is it now possible to produce a mkv-video with more than one audio stream and subtitles using the alternate output option?

Yes... but the only available subtitle format on most blu-rays is SUP, so make sure you player supports that type of subtitle.

[Racer]

I'm very impressed by the speed improvement of using DGDecNV. In the past my AMD 630 X4 never made more than 32fps with ffdshow, but with a GT520/GT430 I now get something between 42fps and 52fps. As I plan to switch to a new cpu in the future is there also a frameserver for the APU of AMD Trinity/Llano or Quick Sync of Intel's Sandy Bridge available. Then the discrete GT430/GT520 would be obsolete again.

[Hobojobo]

Just one more question:
I want to use BR-RB to create 720p-MKV-videos with
DTS-audio stream and one ac3-audio stream (and subs)

In the alternate.txt I can only specify aType=... for all audio streams

Can BR-RB process the first und the second audio stream in a different way automatically before muxing into the mkv container?

[omegaman7]

Here's a suggestion. Concerning the "Automatic black border removal" feature. Perhaps if people could specify the exact dimensions of the frame, it would minimize, if not cancel out the problems people are having. There are other programs that do this though. If they're so hell bent on it, they can use those alternate methods. Just a thought ;) I prefer leave the frames alone myself.

[jdobbs]

Just one more question:
I want to use BR-RB to create 720p-MKV-videos with
DTS-audio stream and one ac3-audio stream (and subs)

In the alternate.txt I can only specify aType=... for all audio streams

Can BR-RB process the first und the second audio stream in a different way automatically before muxing into the mkv container? Just select the ones you want from the streams menu and use the setting for keeping the audio intact. If you want to reencode any audio, though -- you have to reencode all.

[Snarko]

The title says it all. Since there's already an option to decode with DGDecNV, why not also deinterlace and resize (when necessary/desired) with it also?

[jdobbs]

The title says it all. Since there's already an option to decode with DGDecNV, why not also deinterlace and resize (when necessary/desired) with it also? I did a little testing (nothing comprehensive) and it appeared that doing the deinterlacing and resizing that way was a little slower than using AVISYNTH. Actually I was a little surprised at that, but I moved on without looking any deeper.

I'll do some more extensive testing at some point.

[Snarko]

Good enough for me. Thanks!

[Guest]

I did a little testing (nothing comprehensive) and it appeared that doing the deinterlacing and resizing that way was a little slower than using AVISYNTH. I'm surprised at that too. What card do you have?

[jdobbs]

I'm surprised at that too. What card do you have?I have a GT 520. But to be fair, as I said, I didn't do a lot of testing.

[Sharc]

Deinterlacing with DGdecNV yes, but resizing? Via the AVS template I assume, or did I miss something?
(Sorry if it's off topic).

[JoeH]

I have a GT 520. But to be fair, as I said, I didn't do a lot of testing.

The reviews of the GT 520 tended to say that it's deinterlacing performance was somewhat lacking. The higher end cards don't have that problem.

[gamete]

when is it possible to use

MULTIPROCESS=2

with x264 64bit ?


now work only with x264 32bit



thanks:helpful:

[Video Dude]

jdobbs,

Would it be difficult to add a setting to change Blu-ray .sup subtitle color?

For example, I prefer light gray subtitles, but many discs have yellow subtitles, while other discs use other subtitle colors. I don't know if you can add an easy to use setting (even a hidden option) to change the color.

[jdobbs]

jdobbs,

Would it be difficult to add a setting to change Blu-ray .sup subtitle color?

For example, I prefer light gray subtitles, but many discs have yellow subtitles, while other discs use other subtitle colors. I don't know if you can add an easy to use setting (even a hidden option) to change the color. The problem is that it could be any of a huge number of possible colors... so I'm not sure how I would be able to determine "yellow" from "a little less yellow" etc. .SUP also includes graphics (like in popups) -- and when the setting is on it would ruin those as well.... but I can look at it.

[jdobbs]

when is it possible to use

MULTIPROCESS=2

with x264 64bit ?


now work only with x264 32bit



thanks:helpful: Unfortunately you have to use X264's internal LAVF decoding when you select 64 bit, and that has an impact... but I can look at it.

[gamete]

ok thanks

[Sharc]

I suggest to add code to handle non-standard 576p/25 and 480p/29.976 sources and use "--fake-interlaced" in the command line to make them compliant.
(Same has already been done before for 1080p/25 and 1080p/29.97 sources).

[Revgen]

Not a feature request, just a comment. I couldn't find a comment thread so I thought this would be appropriate.

I was able to use BD Rebuilder to replace the horrible audio soundtrack on the Bird of Paradise (1932) Blu-Ray. You can read about it here. LINK (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/320513/bird-of-paradise-audio-issue)

I captured the Turner Classic Movies broadcast that aired recently, and it's basically from the same source as the Blu-Ray, but the audio, while not great, was certainly not as bad as the audio on the blu-ray. I was able to replace the original audio with the TCM audio in the WORKFILES and run the process again. It worked out fine, and plays great on my Samsung Blu-Ray player.

As far as I know, this is the only free solution that solves the problem.

Thanks to Jdobbs and the authors of the included software for your hard work. I appreciate it. :thanks:

[sreemv]

Not sure if this has been asked before but I am looking for a way to replace the .264 files under the "WORKFILES" with my own externally encoded streams before the "rebuild" step/stage - possible??

[jdobbs]

Not sure if this has been asked before but I am looking for a way to replace the .264 files under the "WORKFILES" with my own externally encoded streams before the "rebuild" step/stage - possible?? You can certainly do it -- just let the job complete, the swap them with the ones in the working folder, and resume. It will use the new streams the second time.

But why would anyone do that? You're not going to get a better encode than X264...

[sreemv]

But why would anyone do that? You're not going to get a better encode than X264...

You can? Going to give it a try.

The external encoding is still x264 with stolen x264 command line almost as-is from rebuilder but video post processing was done elsewhere [virtualdub] and not able to duplicate that with "avs"

Wonder if rebuilder can cope/adjust if the replaced .264 are different duration [longer] than original?

Obviously it would be ideal if bd-rebuilder can be paused after demuxing so it doesnt need to encode what is going to be replaced but I dont see a way - something similar to what DVDrebuilder has - 3 different buttons for the 3 stages.

Demux - encode - rebuild - would be really nice.

[jdobbs]

You can? Going to give it a try.

The external encoding is still x264 with stolen x264 command line almost as-is from rebuilder but video post processing was done elsewhere [virtualdub] and not able to duplicate that with "avs"

Wonder if rebuilder can cope/adjust if the replaced .264 are different duration [longer] than original?

Obviously it would be ideal if bd-rebuilder can be paused after demuxing so it doesnt need to encode what is going to be replaced but I dont see a way - something similar to what DVDrebuilder has - 3 different buttons for the 3 stages.

Demux - encode - rebuild - would be really nice. Just set a large custom output size and it will just demux rather than reencode...

[sparkyar]

Just set a large custom output size and it will just demux rather than reencode...

Ive been doing that a lot lately because I usually replace audios and subs, But I want to know if its posible to replace a .vc1 with a .264 file. Ive tried changing the extension inside the mux file, but the mux file is rewrited every time you restart the process.

And I have another question, sorry if this has been asked a lot before, Its posible to chose what streams to process and what streams you need to remain untouched? for example when a full BD is 25gb, but the movies is 20gb and the extras 5gb, I only need to compress the extras to 50% and not the entire BD.

thank you

[jdobbs]

Ive been doing that a lot lately because I usually replace audios and subs, But I want to know if its posible to replace a .vc1 with a .264 file. Ive tried changing the extension inside the mux file, but the mux file is rewrited every time you restart the process.

And I have another question, sorry if this has been asked a lot before, Its posible to chose what streams to process and what streams you need to remain untouched? for example when a full BD is 25gb, but the movies is 20gb and the extras 5gb, I only need to compress the extras to 50% and not the entire BD.

thank youOnly if you do the reencode -- that way BD-RB has already updated the MPLS and CLPI telling it that a .264 file is used.

You can't currently tell BD-RB which streams to leave untouched. Maybe some day.

[Capsbackup]

You can currently tell BD-RB which streams to leave untouched. Maybe some day.

I think you mean "cannot" :( ;)

[jdobbs]

I think you mean "cannot" :( ;)Whoops, corrected. :o

[sparkyar]

Only if you do the reencode -- that way BD-RB has already updated the MPLS and CLPI telling it that a .264 file is used.

You can't currently tell BD-RB which streams to leave untouched. Maybe some day.

thanks. eagerly waiting for that day :)

[sreemv]

Is there a way to force bd-rebuilder to see ALL the playlists in a FULL backup to a BD50?

Tried setting MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0 & MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 but it still skips play lists that are much bigger in size and duration - wonder why?

[jdobbs]

Is there a way to force bd-rebuilder to see ALL the playlists in a FULL backup to a BD50?

Tried setting MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0 & MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 but it still skips play lists that are much bigger in size and duration - wonder why? Give me an example disc and show me how you're checking it. It shouldn't miss any with MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0.

By the way, there's never a reason to use BD-RB (or any other backup software) if you are writing to BD50... any source should fit. The only exception might be if you have somehow created a source (by combining discs) that is larger than BD50 -- and that would qualify as "preprocessing" -- which excludes bug reporting.

[sreemv]

I tried 2 discs both are foreign releases - let me know how you would like me to show you the structure/content?

As to the why part, I am processing the videos/avs files after demux through other means before re-building. I like the way bd-rebuilder demuxes and remuxes. I just would like it to do all the .mpls so I get the full disc pre-processed before rebuilding.

Currently, bd-rebuilder is picking the larger [duration/size] .mpls [main movie and bigger titlesets] but still skipping smaller ones. the smaller ones its skipping are anywhere between few seconds to few min duration. Could it be skipping the initial banners/commercials playlists? I take that back, on one of the disks it skipped much bigger sized title.

I can demux the other .mpls with eac3to separately and process them but I doubt bd-rebuilder would pick them?

I am not saying this was a bug - I thought this is a feature request thread?

[Capsbackup]

Give me an example disc and show me how you're checking it. It shouldn't miss any with MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0.


I have had this issue as well on many discs, and one in particular I was doing recently is a Universal title, Jurassic Park.
I am unable to blank the warnings because their playlists do not show up in BD-RB. :(
I have MIN_M2TS_SIZE=1 and MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 set.
However, if I open this Blu-ray with multiAVCHD, in Re-Author mode, these playlists do show up and I am able to blank them.
multiAVCHD reports 71 available playlists for this title.
BD-RB shows 24 available VID_xxxxx/playlists. :confused:

[kanid99]

How about 720 extras with 1080 main movie? Is that still in the pipe for a coming feature?

[Denner]

I would really love to be able to set a maximum bit-rate for the extras, that way I would be able to set a really low bit-rate for the extras and leave a lot of space for the main feature :cool:

Do you think that would be possible to integrate this ?

[omegaman7]

I believe he was planning to implement bitrate distribution eventually. It was more concentrating on other bugs up until now. Of course, I'm sure he has a checklist of most important things to implement first. I'm sure he sees the benefits of compressing extras further. Especially where some discs, don't compress SOME of the extras at all.

[Denner]

Sounds good and keeping my fingers crossed :)

[colinhunt]

I would definitely love to see user bitrate distribution. I'm doing it manually at the moment, by re-encoding m2ts files one by one, but it's a gigantic PITA. Even a simple functionality, like right-clicking a playlist item and selecting 'low', 'medium' or 'high' to set how much of the bitbudget each item gets would be very welcome.

[jdobbs]

I'll probably just provide a method through which you can allocate more or less to extras (as a whole) and the space saved will be reallocated to the feature. Of course the issue becomes how you work it on series discs. Unfortunately there's no "I'm the feature" flag in bluray clips. You could end up with one really good episode followed by four that suck.

[omegaman7]

Perhaps if we could also manually tell it the proper "flags"? Much like we tell it what to blank, we could tell it NOT an extra ;)

[jdobbs]

I want to avoid making it complicated. Frankly on most discs there isn't much reason to do this anyway -- as the original already has allocated a lower bitrate to extras, and the percentage-of-total would be proportionately allocated on the copy. So the necessity for its use should be the exception anyway.

[omegaman7]

I hear ya. I'm sure whatever you come up with, it will be logical, and non complicated ;)

[sparkyar]

Hi, I would like to ask for a feature, I sometimes encode a movie several times till I get the results I desire, and sometimes I forgot to change the "working path" and it happened to be the same as the "source path" (yeah, I know its my fault for not doublechecking)...

so it would be great to have a warning message when you try to start the backup process but "source path" and "working path" are the same. Sorry if the feature is already there and I didnt found it :)

[bekar]

Hi, I would like to ask for a feature, I sometimes encode a movie several times till I get the results I desire, and sometimes I forgot to change the "working path" and it happened to be the same as the "source path" (yeah, I know its my fault for not doublechecking)...

so it would be great to have a warning message when you try to start the backup process but "source path" and "working path" are the same. Sorry if the feature is already there and I didnt found it

[RobertM]

Bekar,

Did you actually post that spam " ~live stream Bengals vs Chiefs..." thread? It's not appropriate in this forum.

[SilverBlade]

I would love the ability to 'blank' out extras that I don't need or want.

This is especially useful for discs with TV series.

[jdobbs]

I would love the ability to 'blank' out extras that I don't need or want.

This is especially useful for discs with TV series.See this link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1526277#post1526277).

[Ch3vr0n]

I was wondering if it would be possible to add an alternate movie-only output option for divx (specifically .avi). I'm pretty sure it's no container that can hold subs, but needs hardcoded subs if they are wanted. Would this be possible? .avi output ( & probably hardcoded subs)?

** edit ** Reason i'm asking is well because it would save me from having to output to DVD-5/9 then burn to a blank in order to watch it. I would then be able to simply output to avi on my FAT32 usb stick. Y i know fat 32, my panny DMP-BD85 doesnt read NTFS so it would have to come out with a max size of 4GB but i assume BDRB would handle that? The video specs to my player are limited too. Which is why i'm asking. It doesnt support mkv

specs: http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9974/pannyvideospecs.png

[jdobbs]

Feature Requests: x264 10 bits


What does “saving bandwidth” mean?
Bandwidth is saved if less bit-rate is needed, keeping the same video quality. When comparing
encoders or encoding technologies, both bit-rate and video quality has to be considered: less bit-rate
keeping the same quality is equivalent to more quality keeping the same bit-rate.

What is a better video quality?
The video quality is better when the decoded video is closer to the source. The most common way of
expressing “closeness” in video processing is stating that there are less errors relative to the pixel bitdepth. For example, a 1 error bit on a 8-bit signal provide the same relative error than 3 bits of error
in a 10-bit signal: 7 bits only are actually meaningful in both cases.

Where are errors introduced in a MPEG encoder?
Video is compressed with a lossy process that introduce errors relative to the source: the
quantization process. Since those errors are relative, they do not depend of the source pixel
bit-depth; but only on encoding tools efficiency when a given bit-rate has to be achieved.

What happens with 10-bit video source when using a “perfect” MPEG encoder?
A 10-bit source carries about 20% more information than an 8-bit one. Assuming the same encoding
tools efficiency, the same bit-rate can be achieved just by quantizing 4 times more (2 bits). Since the
relative error is the same in both cases, the video quality should not change.

So why does a AVC/H.264 10-bit encoder perform better than 8-bit?
When encoding with the 10-bit tool, the compression process is performed with at least 10-bit
accuracy compared to only 8-bit otherwise. So there is less truncation errors, especially in the motion
compensation stage, increasing the efficiency of compression tools. As a consequence, there is less
need to quantize to achieve a given bit-rate.
The net result is a better quality for the same bit-rate or conversely less bit-rate for the same quality:
between 5% and 20% on typical sources.


info :http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdfI don't see how this relates to a "feature request" thread?

Please review rule #3 -- and let's try to keep on topic.

[lauguru]

added please at the end of the work, the total time of the entire process
* example: 1hours 20 minutes 30 seconds

[tanzer21]

Can't seem to find the answer to this question but.... does the bdrebuilder have the capability of changing profile 1.1 and above bluray's to profile 1.0 and below for older players and media players that support this? If not, could that be a possible feature added in the future?

[jdobbs]

Can't seem to find the answer to this question but.... does the bdrebuilder have the capability of changing profile 1.1 and above bluray's to profile 1.0 and below for older players and media players that support this? If not, could that be a possible feature added in the future?No it doesn't. Although I believe doing a movie-only backup should result in a Profile 1.0.

I don't think there are a lot of Profile 1.0 players still out there.

[tanzer21]

Ahhh I was hoping. I want to keep the original bluray menu and the extras if possible. True not a lot of profile 1.0 players out there but some of the media players can only go to profile 1.0 bd menus currently. I'm not sure if it's even possible to downgrade a profile 1.1 to a profile 1.0 or not to be honest. Been looking everywhere for an answer to that question with no results. Still I love BD rebuilder, fantastic program all around!

[jdobbs]

Ahhh I was hoping. I want to keep the original bluray menu and the extras if possible. True not a lot of profile 1.0 players out there but some of the media players can only go to profile 1.0 bd menus currently. I'm not sure if it's even possible to downgrade a profile 1.1 to a profile 1.0 or not to be honest. Been looking everywhere for an answer to that question with no results. Still I love BD rebuilder, fantastic program all around! I think that would just involve removing any PiP (bonus view). But I think a lot of discs these days are Profile 2.0.

[tanzer21]

Profile 2.0 would most likely need to be able to remove the BD Live aspect on top of removing the PiP bonus view. I wonder if there is something out there that can do that without messing with the original menu structure of the bluray. But that's probably a question for another forum post, I don't want to clutter up this thread with off topic conversation. I appreciate all the input you've given me, thanks again!

[Wolfe999]

Hi,

It would be nice to have the option, in full backup, to default a subtitle, like in movie only.

Thanx :)

[Ch3vr0n]

Suggestion for a tweak to the OUTPUT_FOLDER hidden option. On my last rebuild i had that option set to "Z:\BDRB Rebuilds", however i had actually created the folder on my Y: drive (Y:\BRDB rebuilds), probably have a routine in place to check if the path exists before issueing the move command. However since i had an invalid path the iso was not moved. My suggestion for a tweak is that when BDRB determines that the output path does not exist (either before the rebuild or after it) a popup is displayed to check output settings if an alert is made before the rebuild is started, or when the alert is done AFTER the rebuild an alert (limited time)popup (say 10sec eg) is either displayed or an entry is made into the BDRB logfile, so if the build completes when afk the user is notified of the invalid path

[Category 5]

Just tried a demo of DVD fab and did a re-encode that took me 3:20 on BD rebuilder in 1:20! Holy cow! Problem is the software feels dumbed down, convoluted and expensive.

This begs the question thouh. When do you plan to implement quick sync into BD rebuilder. The difference is not subtle at all. It's incredible.

I can't imagine you can ignore it for too much longer.

[RobertM]

Just tried a demo of DVD fab and did a re-encode that took me 3:20 on BD rebuilder in 1:20! Holy cow!

Encode time is highly dependent on quality settings. What makes you think that the settings you used in DVDFab are the same as those you picked in BD-RB?

[jdobbs]

You need to compare apples-to-apples. If it is faster than X264 -- the likelihood is very high you are getting lower quality. If you don't mind low quality, then why do Blu-ray... why not just stick with DVD?

[writersblock29]

@Category 5: Ah, but how does the quality of the DVDFab encode compare? Keep in mind that the more bells and whistles you add to X264, the slower it runs... but the higher the quality for a given bit rate. Unless something's changed, the last I heard DVDFab uses X264 as well, so I'd wager this is where your speed difference is really coming from.

Jdobbs can certainly step in and correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason why BD Rebuilder makes the encoder setting choices it does is because the higher your bit rate, the less the extra bells and whistles in X264 matter. 25GB is a lot of space, so it often takes higher bit rates than, say, a BD9. Hence, it often takes longer to make a BD9 than it does a BD-R of 25GB. It's all in the encoder's settings and expected quality for a given filesize.

Besides, how much is your time worth? Even if all things were equal on the quality front, BD Rebuilder only costs your downloading time and a voluntary donation (of whatever amount you feel is fair). DVDFab costs a chunk of your kid's college education in order to buy enough features to make it worth using. You can always start encoding before going to bed, and not miss the time at all.

I'll step off my soapbox for now, and apologize for wandering further off topic.

[SquallMX]

DVDFab x264 settings for Blu-ray are weird as hell (HQ Mode), Me Range 64, but not trellis or MB-Tree, and Subme 4 (so no psy-rd neither), and since it uses ABR mode the quality of movies with complex scenarios is just Crappy. Too bad that is the only program that support (buggy) 3-D recoding...

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs, i've got a small request. Would it be possible to add/change to overwrite routine to do the following? Silently overwrite the final output folder if it already exists? Right now it asks if you would like to overwrite the folder, but it's kind of hard to say yes if you're away

[RobertM]

Silently overwrite the final output folder if it already exists?

Or, continue to ask the question as it does now, but time-out after a minute or so and then automatically create a new folder adding a suffix to the original name.

[lauguru]

please add the option to convert and maintain audio tracks individually. eg:

english dtsma 7.1 = english dts 5.1
french dtsma 5.1 = french dtsma 5.1
spanish dtsma 5.1 = spanish dtsma 5.1
russian 5.1 = russian 2.0
Chinese 5.1 = chinese 2.0
thai 5.1 = thai 2.0

thanks Jdobbs

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, i've got a small request. Would it be possible to add/change to overwrite routine to do the following? Silently overwrite the final output folder if it already exists? Right now it asks if you would like to overwrite the folder, but it's kind of hard to say yes if you're away

There's a hidden option that disables the prompt:

OVERWRITE_PROMPT=0

If that is set then the output will be renamed slightly (rather than overwriting) and there is no prompt. I just really hesitate to do something as drastic as killing something that might represent several hours of work in the output folder without at least getting an affirmative "do it" from the user.

[jdobbs]

please add the option to convert and maintain audio tracks individually. eg:

english dtsma 7.1 = english dts 5.1
french dtsma 5.1 = french dtsma 5.1
spanish dtsma 5.1 = spanish dtsma 5.1
russian 5.1 = russian 2.0
Chinese 5.1 = chinese 2.0
thai 5.1 = thai 2.0

thanks JdobbsI'll look at it and see how hard it might be to do.

[lauguru]

I'll look at it and see how hard it might be to do.

thank you very much for trying;)

[RobertM]

There's a hidden option that disables the prompt:

OVERWRITE_PROMPT=0

If that is set then the output will be renamed slightly (rather than overwriting) and there is no prompt.

That's great! Didn't know about that one. Suits me perfectly.

[jdobbs]

That's great! Didn't know about that one. Suits me perfectly. Just as an FYI, batch mode works the same way, there's never a prompt.

[Ch3vr0n]

I'll have a look into that option but it's not fully what i want/need. I had a rebuild halfway into the file rebuild when the output folder was created and getting filled. That overwrite_prompt=0 would unless i'm mistaking create a new folder similar to the 1st one and fill that one. That would result in me having duplicate content and a big space waster, as you well know the BDRB output by default varies from anywhere of 21-23GB. In my case the first rebuild failed at 17GB, and the retry completed rebuild was 22.5GB. Meaning i'd have 39.5GB for 1 disc with 17 of it being duplicated content in an incomplete folder.

Perhaps a hidden option like overwrite_confirm=1 could tell BDRB to actually overwrite the existing content without prompting

[sparkyar]

Hi, there is no way to blank a secondary video(pip), right? because they are uselees without the dts-express and I could backup Argo and two other movies (and probably more) in a bd25 without compressing the video of the movie ;)
thanks!

[gamete]

is possibile to have a option temp folder ?

INPUT FOLDER
TEMP FOLDER
OUTPUT FOLDER

my hard disk thanks

[omegaman7]

is possibile to have a option temp folder ?

INPUT FOLDER
TEMP FOLDER
OUTPUT FOLDER

my hard disk thanks

You would be increasing the process/transfer time...

[gamete]

now in the output folder , there are temporary files
and in the same folder after compression , there will be the compressed files ready to burn
the hard disk is forced to read and write in the same position when the structure of bluray is created after compression

I would like if possible

input folder, in D
temp folder in E
output folder in D


sorry for my bad english