BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[omegaman7]

now in the output folder , there are temporary files
and in the same folder after compression , there will be the compressed files ready to burn
the hard disk is forced to read and write in the same position when the structure of bluray is created after compression

I would like if possible

input folder, in D
temp folder in E
output folder in D


sorry for my bad english

Have you ever watched the final process? I think if you did, you would realize it's really not needed ;)

[jdobbs]

now in the output folder , there are temporary files
and in the same folder after compression , there will be the compressed files ready to burn
the hard disk is forced to read and write in the same position when the structure of bluray is created after compression

I would like if possible

input folder, in D
temp folder in E
output folder in D


sorry for my bad english
Your statement is incorrect, and omegaman7 is right, but:

From HIDDENOPTS.TXT:

OUTPUT_FOLDER=p
p = Path to a folder to be used for output. e.g. OUTPUT_FOLDER=D:\OUTPUT (it must exist)

If you set it up the way you have said (D=source, E=temp, D=output) it will actually slow down the process because the files have to be copied (rather than moved) in the rebuild process. Also be careful, you can't use the same output path as input on D.

[gamete]

I understand

thanks

[colinhunt]

Any chance we could get a "Yes to all" (and "No to all", why not?) buttons in the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue window? I've seen a lot of titles recently where PAT/PMT program information does not match the detected audio, and PAT/PMT has always been the correct choice.

When the title is a multi-episode TV show, the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue pops up for every episode which ruins the idea of leaving the encode running for the night.

[jdobbs]

Any chance we could get a "Yes to all" (and "No to all", why not?) buttons in the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue window? I've seen a lot of titles recently where PAT/PMT program information does not match the detected audio, and PAT/PMT has always been the correct choice.

When the title is a multi-episode TV show, the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue pops up for every episode which ruins the idea of leaving the encode running for the night. That's set within DGIndexNV, not BD-RB. It's pretty easy to do, just read the DGIndexNVManual.html manual (included in the installation folder of DGDecNV).

[colinhunt]

That's set within DGIndexNV, not BD-RB. It's pretty easy to do, just read the DGIndexNVManual.html manual (included in the installation folder of DGDecNV).
Allright-y. Thanks!

[Nico8583]

Hi :)
Do you think it is possible to add 3D SBS encoding in BD-RB ? The only difference between 2D and 3D seems to be AVS script (and DLL decoder for 3D)
Open a BD disc -> Detect if it's a 2D or 3D BD -> Create an AVS script to downsize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (like a downscale 1080p to 720p already include in BD-RB) -> Next steps are the same for 2D or 3D (encode, remux)

[jdobbs]

Hi :)
Do you think it is possible to add 3D SBS encoding in BD-RB ? The only difference between 2D and 3D seems to be AVS script (and DLL decoder for 3D)
Open a BD disc -> Detect if it's a 2D or 3D BD -> Create an AVS script to downsize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (like a downscale 1080p to 720p already include in BD-RB) -> Next steps are the same for 2D or 3D (encode, remux) I haven't been paying much attention to SBS as an alternative to the way 3D is implemented as a standard in blu-ray. What do you use to actually play the 3D SBS output, and what equipment do you require to play it back?

[Nico8583]

I haven't been paying much attention to SBS as an alternative to the way 3D is implemented as a standard in blu-ray. What do you use to actually play the 3D SBS output, and what equipment do you require to play it back?
3D SBS can be play with any standard BD player (PC or not) if it is in a Blu ray structure or any TV 3D with mkv support because it looks like 2D movie.
The only equipment need is a TV 3D :)
I'm testing differents AviSynth filters to resize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (Lanczos(4 or not) or Spline(16, 36 or64)), so I obtain a 1920x1080 x264 movie, I mux that with audio and subtitle(s) in a Blu ray structure (like BD-RB movie only) and all would be good :)

[jdobbs]

3D SBS can be play with any standard BD player (PC or not) if it is in a Blu ray structure or any TV 3D with mkv support because it looks like 2D movie.
The only equipment need is a TV 3D :)
I'm testing differents AviSynth filters to resize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (Lanczos(4 or not) or Spline(16, 36 or64)), so I obtain a 1920x1080 x264 movie, I mux that with audio and subtitle(s) in a Blu ray structure (like BD-RB movie only) and all would be good :) But, if it is side-by-side, though, you are actually only getting a 960x1080 picture, which is barely better than SD on the horizontal plane. What percentage of 3D monitors actually support SBS? Do they support an over-and-under picture as well?

[Nico8583]

You get 1 960x1080 picture for left view and 1 960x1080 picture for right view, both are assembled to get a 1920x1080 picture.
You can also do a T&B (Top Bottom) with 1 1920x540 picture fort left and 1 1920x540 picture for right.
I don't know what percentage of 3D monitors can accept this format but I believe it is an official 3D format.

[Ch3vr0n]

PDVD & TMT support SBS.

[Nico8583]

My Samsung Smart TV support MKV with SBS or TB for example, and most of the TV do the same :)

[Sharc]

Hi :)
Do you think it is possible to add 3D SBS encoding in BD-RB ? The only difference between 2D and 3D seems to be AVS script (and DLL decoder for 3D)
Open a BD disc -> Detect if it's a 2D or 3D BD -> Create an AVS script to downsize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (like a downscale 1080p to 720p already include in BD-RB) -> Next steps are the same for 2D or 3D (encode, remux)
BD3D2MK3D (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1609310#post1609310) does exactly what you want. Creating a Blu-ray structure from the encoded files in the working folder using tsMuxer is easy.

[Nico8583]

Yes but output is MKV, not BD, and the author don't use BD :)

[Sharc]

If you don't want an .mkv just untick "mux to mkv" in the GUI. After BD3D2MK3D has finished the encoding, fire up tsMuxerGUI.exe in the 'tools' folder in order to author a perfect BD from the .264 video, .ac3 audio and .sup subtitle files which you find in the output folder of BD3D2MK3D.
Just give it a try, it's straightforward.

[jdobbs]

My Samsung Smart TV support MKV with SBS or TB for example, and most of the TV do the same :)I'll take a look at it.

[jdobbs]

@RobertM

Were there any special circumstances or settings associated with your attempt to reencode "Man on Fire"? I just ran it with what I believe to be your settings, and it is in-sync.

[RobertM]

@RobertM

Were there any special circumstances or settings associated with your attempt to reencode "Man on Fire"?

I don't think so. I encode them all the same; movie-only, 1 'eng' soundtrack (re-encode to ac3), all 'eng' subs, cust size 24200.

I'll send more detailed config info later this afternoon, once my son gets done his homework on my encoding machine.

[jdobbs]

Hmm... I seem to have posted this in the wrong thread. Oh, well. ;)

[marktherob2011]

I would like to be able to select/unselect audio streams selectively from each stream.

Mark

[setarip_old]

For those of us who lived through the 1960s but "don't remember it", perhaps you could add a little note of clarification to the Hidden Text listing: AUDIO_AMPLIFY=n n = 0-x - Increase volume of reencoded audio. Example "1.2" = 20% increase, "2.0" = 2X such as "AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0 will result in SILENT audiostreams... (I learned the hard way recently ;>})

[jdobbs]

I would like to be able to select/unselect audio streams selectively from each stream.

Mark You can do that now. Just double click on the audio stream to select/unselect. Same for subtitles.

[colinhunt]

I'd like to request moving KEEP_HD_LPCM setting from .INI to BD-RB's Setup menu.

[RobertM]

such as "AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0 will result in SILENT audiostreams

That seems pretty intuitive.

[setarip_old]

That seems pretty intuitive. I guess I'm just not that intuitive - Most of the other "Hidden" items are Off/On (0/1) switches. I initially interpreted "AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0" as No ADDITIONAL amplification (After all, one usually doesn't rely on "Hidden" text if using the "routine" already-included audio volume/amplification setting)...

[thegame]

Sorry if this is already known but are we able to do movie only builds now and keep menu? and if not will this ever happen?

Thanks a lot jdobbs

[RobertM]

Sorry if this is already known but are we able to do movie only builds now and keep menu? and if not will this ever happen?

I thought that a "Movie and menus" option was added quite a while ago. I'm 100% not sure, since I only do "movie only" myself, and I'm not on my encoding machine so that I can verify this.

Even if that wasn't active, don't you simply do a "Full disc backup" and de-select all the stuff you don't want?

[gonca]

@RobertM
You are correct in your statement. "Movies and Menus" is under mode, and has been in use for quite a while.

[spotswood]

Hello jdobbs...

I have previously converted the HD-DVD Eagles Farewell-I to movie only Blu-ray using ClownBD. To make it fit on a BD25 disc without any video re-encode, ClownBD allows me to keep the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and extract the core from the 5.1 DTS Master Audio track. This results in a 21.5GB file which fits nicely on a BD25 disc, again without any video re-encode.

I've tried doing the same with BDrebuilder using the KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 hidden option and enabling/disabling the Keep HD Audio for BD25/Do not convert DTS to AC3 in the setup menu but haven't had any luck with either setting. I either end up with both HD tracks requiring the video to be re-encoded or it re-encodes the LPCM to 192 and keeps the DTS Master Audio track.

The Blu-ray version of the above mentioned title has just been released (finally!). What I would like is to now create a movie and menu backup keeping the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and the core DTS 5.1 track so it would fit on a BD25 disc without re-encoding the video. Possible? If I've missed something please forgive me. Thanks again for your help and/or suggestions!

[jdobbs]

Hello jdobbs...

I have previously converted the HD-DVD Eagles Farewell-I to movie only Blu-ray using ClownBD. To make it fit on a BD25 disc without any video re-encode, ClownBD allows me to keep the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and extract the core from the 5.1 DTS Master Audio track. This results in a 21.5GB file which fits nicely on a BD25 disc, again without any video re-encode.

I've tried doing the same with BDrebuilder using the KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 hidden option and enabling/disabling the Keep HD Audio for BD25/Do not convert DTS to AC3 in the setup menu but haven't had any luck with either setting. I either end up with both HD tracks requiring the video to be re-encoded or it re-encodes the LPCM to 192 and keeps the DTS Master Audio track.

The Blu-ray version of the above mentioned title has just been released (finally!). What I would like is to now create a movie and menu backup keeping the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and the core DTS 5.1 track so it would fit on a BD25 disc without re-encoding the video. Possible? If I've missed something please forgive me. Thanks again for your help and/or suggestions! If it will fit without reencoding BD-RB should do it that way unless FORCE_ENCODE is or there is resizing involved,

But... if you want to force a no-encode you can add FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the config/ini file. You could also set a custom output size that is extremely large. But... chances are that it will be larger than you think.

[spotswood]

If it will fit without reencoding BD-RB should do it that way unless FORCE_ENCODE is or there is resizing involved,

But... if you want to force a no-encode you can add FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the config/ini file. You could also set a custom output size that is extremely large. But... chances are that it will be larger than you think.Thanks for your reply. I guess my question is can BDRB allow keeping the LPCM track and the core from the DTS-MA track? I was able to do this with ClownBD but without menus. I want to be able to create a movie/menus disc with the LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and just the core DTS 5.1 track. BDRB doesn't seem to allow this. If I'm mistaken and have missed a setting somehwere, my apolgies. Thanks again...

[Mark_Venture]

I haven't been paying much attention to SBS as an alternative to the way 3D is implemented as a standard in blu-ray. What do you use to actually play the 3D SBS output, and what equipment do you require to play it back?
Sorry I'm late to the party, but...

I'm playing 3d SBS mkv's over my home network via my LG BD570 (few year old 2D bluray player) and Sony 55HX750 TV (3D active shutter, just have to use the TV's 3D menu to select Side By Side mode), just as I do with my other MKV's. They actually look pretty good.

[jdobbs]

Sorry I'm late to the party, but...

I'm playing 3d SBS mkv's over my home network via my LG BD570 (few year old 2D bluray player) and Sony 55HX750 TV (3D active shutter, just have to use the TV's 3D menu to select Side By Side mode), just as I do with my other MKV's. They actually look pretty good. I've been looking at it this week. It looks like I can add the feature pretty easily. But, since the required DLLs are copyrighted I can't include them with BD-RB. But I can make it possible to browse for the required dll's if they are already installed and enable 3D SBS encoding (similar to the way you browse for DGDecNV now).

I went to the 3dtv.at site and bought the MVCtoAVI application so I have a legal copy of the CoreAVC DLLs (it's only 19 Euros) -- and I tested come conversions using AVISYNTH and X264. It looks good, and it's easy to make SBS, Over/Under, and Anaglyph output from a 3D source.

You'll likely see it in the next release. That way you can backup 3D discs (as SBS) or make MKVs directly from BD-RB.

I'm thinking about picking up a Visio TV with passive Theater 3D playback so I can do testing/watching of 3D. The reviews I've read online are pretty good and the price is right. Anyone out there own one or have experience with it?

[Mark_Venture]

...You'll likely see it in the next release. That way you can backup 3D discs (as SBS) or make MKVs directly from BD-RB...

...I'm thinking about picking up a Visio TV with passive Theater 3D playback so I can do testing/watching of 3D. The reviews I've read online are pretty good and the price is right. Anyone out there own one or have experience with it?Thank you for taking the time to add this feature!!!!

As for Vizio.. If you are focusing on budget only then it might not be bad. But if you're looking at it for your every day tv, etc... then I'd suggest you hit avsforums.com and do some reading.. They generally look at Vizio as being poor quality (build & picture), not long lasting, etc. BUT I haven't read up on every Vizio model, so its possible there might be a few good models from them too.

Right now, as you probably know, its change of model year for many electronics vendors. Sony, Samsung, LG, and others have discontinued their 2012 sets, and their 2013 are hitting the shelves in the next few weeks and months. SO you can get some good deals on 2012 left overs.

[jdobbs]

Thank you for taking the time to add this feature!!!!

As for Vizio.. If you are focusing on budget only then it might not be bad. But if you're looking at it for your every day tv, etc... then I'd suggest you hit avsforums.com and do some reading.. They generally look at Vizio as being poor quality (build & picture), not long lasting, etc. BUT I haven't read up on every Vizio model, so its possible there might be a few good models from them too.

Right now, as you probably know, its change of model year for many electronics vendors. Sony, Samsung, LG, and others have discontinued their 2012 sets, and their 2013 are hitting the shelves in the next few weeks and months. SO you can get some good deals on 2012 left overs. I went to Costco and compared several. I didn't like the passive 3D on the LG and Visio modes. They use alternating scan-lines for the two pictures -- and you can really see the edges between the images. I decided to go for a Samsung with active shutter glasses. Man... the glasses they provide work fine -- but they look and feel so cheap. Would it be that hard to provide some decent glasses?

[Mark_Venture]

I went to Costco and compared several. I didn't like the passive 3D on the LG and Visio modes. They use alternating scan-lines for the two pictures -- and you can really see the edges between the images. I decided to go for a Samsung with active shutter glasses. Man... the glasses they provide work fine -- but they look and feel so cheap. Would it be that hard to provide some decent glasses?
Active shutter is generally considered better. I read why once, but I can't remember.

The glasses are more expensive for active, and you have to charge them, but it looks good, and seems brighter too.

Samsungs have pretty good picture. I think you'll be happier it with it than if you would have got a Vizio or LG.

[Nico8583]

Thanks jdobbs to add this feature :)
I'm making tests to see differences between AviSynth resize filters (Lanczos, Spline...) and also to see differences between SBS and TB...
Have you tried angle with Ice Age 4 ?

[brunchto]

Thanks jdobbs to add this feature :)
I'm making tests to see differences between AviSynth resize filters (Lanczos, Spline...) and also to see differences between SBS and TB...
Have you tried angle with Ice Age 4 ?
no changes... but i have tested something. from my ISO image (full rip), i've made a full backup with BDRB to a new ISO. if i mount this ISO, then use BDRB, then i can select angles and make a movie only backup with the right angle.
I've tested with ice age 3. Can you try this with ice age 4?

[setarip_old]

Wearing glasses to watch a 3D movie - It's amazing that the studios and TV and other hardware manufacturers can con "leading edge consumers" into spending money on what is essentially 1950s technology.

I went to the movie theater in 1953 to be "amazed" at watching Vincent Price in the original "House of Wax" with cardboard anaglyph glasses! The headache that followed wan't appreciated.

Granted, the current versions of glasses and hardware (passive or active) are an improvement but, in my opinion represent something that the world can do without - until a 3D system that doesn't require glasses becomes the norm...

[brunchto]

no changes... but i have tested something. from my ISO image (full rip), i've made a full backup with BDRB to a new ISO. if i mount this ISO, then use BDRB, then i can select angles and make a movie only backup with the right angle.
I've tested with ice age 3. Can you try this with ice age 4?
update:
i've tried with StarWars. Previously,I was unable to select angle (french scrolling title). I've made a temporaty ISO in QuickPlay backup. With this new ISO, angle selection works fine... really strange isn't it?

[colinhunt]

Now, I know this is like asking for the moon from the sky... but I sure would love to see BD-RB do movie-only BD3D backups from Blu-ray 3Ds. It would have to output an .ISO image with an interleaved file system, of course, which is another big task in itself.

[colinhunt]

Granted, the current versions of glasses and hardware (passive or active) are an improvement but, in my opinion represent something that the world can do without - until a 3D system that doesn't require glasses becomes the norm...
Well, I wholeheartedly disagree with that notion.

[jdobbs]

Now, I know this is like asking for the moon from the sky... but I sure would love to see BD-RB do movie-only BD3D backups from Blu-ray 3Ds. It would have to output an .ISO image with an interleaved file system, of course, which is another big task in itself. That's not likely to happen until ImgBurn or another package provides a way to output a structure in which two files can point to the same sector. There also is no freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.

[colinhunt]

That's not likely to happen until ImgBurn or another package provides a way to output a structure in which two files can point to the same sector. There also is no freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.
Yeah, outputting interleaved file system is a problem, but I thought x264 does 3D these days. I was reading about a parameter in x264 Wiki and noticed something about frame-packing and 3D. x264 --fullhelp gave me this:

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Although... I don't think any of those are the same arrangement as on a Blu-ray 3D disc. Hmph.

[jdobbs]

Yeah, outputting interleaved file system is a problem, but I thought x264 does 3D these days. I was reading about a parameter in x264 Wiki and noticed something about frame-packing and 3D. x264 --fullhelp gave me this:

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Although... I don't think any of those are the same arrangement as on a Blu-ray 3D disc. Hmph.I've been doing a lot of reading on this topic. Frame packing is a requirement of the HDMI 1.4 standard... so a device that supports it should accept it, and it allows full resolution 3D (as opposed to SBS which halves the horizontal resolution). The question is "how do I get the frame-packed signal to the TV", since I don't think most BD players will accept it -- but I'm researching that as well.

Another question I'm asking myself: DirecTV sends a SBS picture to its box, and my Samsung 3D monitor automatically recognizes it and switches into SBS 3D mode. When using my BD player with SBS I have to switch it to SBS mode manually. That means there has to be a way to flag it in the stream... I'd like to find out how.

[Note] HDMI 1.4 frame-packing requires support for top-and-bottom packing, but side-by-side full resolution frame packing apparently isn't required (http://www.best-3dtvs.com/what-is-frame-packing-3d/). That link also indicates that, while stored as MVC on the disc, Blu-Ray players actually reorder the decoded frames into top-and-bottom frame pack format when they present it to the TV/monitor.

[Ch3vr0n]

why don't you ask the folks at DirecTV, say you're a subscriber to there services and a software dev and you noticed that SBS behavior and wonder what the flag is to have it autorecognise the SBS mode. Can't hurt to ask.

[Nico8583]

Another question I'm asking myself: DirecTV sends a SBS picture to its box, and my Samsung 3D monitor automatically recognizes it and switches into SBS 3D mode. When using my BD player with SBS I have to switch it to SBS mode manually. That means there has to be a way to flag it in the stream... I'd like to find out how.
MVC Player Free from frencher can do that, perhaps ask him how he proceeds...
# Added: Auto-switch of some compatible 3D TV (SBS an UO)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1620569#post1620569

[jdobbs]

why don't you ask the folks at DirecTV, say you're a subscriber to there services and a software dev and you noticed that SBS behavior and wonder what the flag is to have it autorecognise the SBS mode. Can't hurt to ask.Yeah... that's an idea, and I am a subscriber. I just thought about it, and it's also possible that their box is actually catching the SBS and converting it for output before it hits the TV. For all I know it might be frame-packed on output from the box.

[KarstenS]

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Although... I don't think any of those are the same arrangement as on a Blu-ray 3D disc. Hmph.

None of these options give us the output we would need for a real 3D disk. They all are alternative way for 3D movies, but they all have the same issue: they put both angles into one frame, what causes lower resolution and they will not natively get the TV into 3D mode automatically.

If someone want to create and analyze a real "movie only" 3D disc, then download the trial of DVD Architect Pro. With this software it is possible as I've seen.