BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[Ch3vr0n]

Yup, you let bdrb configure FFDshow. It should only ask you once, if it keeps asking though you need to rigtclick on the bdrb executable and run it with admin rights to properly configure FFDShow

[jdobbs]

When you say "yes", BD-RB sets the Directshow preferred filter registry keys to properly point to FFDSHOW. If you don't do it you might have multiple issues, including loss of frames and lack of audio/video synchronization. Saying "No" is a bad idea. This is necessary because of Media Foundation changes associated with the release of Windows 7.

Every time BD-RB starts it looks to see if they are correct -- if they are properly configured, it continues on without the prompt. If you are getting the prompt -- they are not.

[laserfan]

Every time BD-RB starts it looks to see if they are correct -- if they are properly configured, it continues on without the prompt. If you are getting the prompt -- they are not.
This answers my next question which was gonna be "why doesn't BD-RB warn you that choosing No would be a bad move". To actually check settings & prompt is better; good deal jdobbs.
:)

[Nico8583]

Thanks !! :)
Another question : this configuration affects only BD-RB or all applications who use FFDShow ?

[Ch3vr0n]

neither. It configures windows settings to properly use FFDshow for certain codecs. BDRB simply checks if the settings in FFDShow are uses it as a frameserver to x264. If windows isn't properly set you can encounter issues.

@jdobbs: a small feature request (hopefully not too difficult to add), a simple line in the logfile when the job is done stating total job completion time

eg: [21:15:38] Job <insert volume label> completed in xx H: xx M: xx S

this would make it easier for me (and probably others to compare for example a dgdec encoding time vs ffdshow ect) but also simply be nice to know how long the job took

[A.Fenderson]

@jdobbs: a small feature request (hopefully not too difficult to add), a simple line in the logfile when the job is done stating total job completion time

eg: [21:15:38] Job <insert volume label> completed in xx H: xx M: xx S

this would make it easier for me (and probably others to compare for example a dgdec encoding time vs ffdshow ect) but also simply be nice to know how long the job took

I'll second that.

[Limobar]

At the moment BD-Rebuilder can pick several playlists from a blu-ray as movie, with the consequence that some are not correctly picked and get the movie treatment. The other way around is also possible.

"Good Will Hunting" (15th anniversary edition) has a movie and among other extras one very long one that's over an hour. This extra gets the movie treatment, using 2 passes and a high bitrate.

I have two feature proposals:

1. I would like to manually decide per playlist whether it should be treated like a movie or as extras.

2. A simpler way to overcome, in most cases, the problem I described is to automatically let BD-Rebuilder decide that the playlist with the longest playback time is the movie and that every other playlist should be considered extras.

I can understand that the second feature proposal gives a problem when the Blu-Ray consists of several episodes. The first feature proposal is for that reason better, but also more complicated. Maybe the first feature can become a setup option.

[jdobbs]

At the moment BD-Rebuilder can pick several playlists from a blu-ray as movie, with the consequence that some are not correctly picked and get the movie treatment. The other way around is also possible.

"Good Will Hunting" (15th anniversary edition) has a movie and among other extras one very long one that's over an hour. This extra gets the movie treatment, using 2 passes and a high bitrate.

I have two feature proposals:

1. I would like to manually decide per playlist whether it should be treated like a movie or as extras.

2. A simpler way to overcome, in most cases, the problem I described is to automatically let BD-Rebuilder decide that the playlist with the longest playback time is the movie and that every other playlist should be considered extras.

I can understand that the second feature proposal gives a problem when the Blu-Ray consists of several episodes. The first feature proposal is for that reason better, but also more complicated. Maybe the first feature can become a setup option.1. You can already pick the playlist. If I "force" a choice to be made -- I'll get hundreds of complaints that it now requires too much manual intervention.

2. BD Rebuilder already does this. It isn't quite as simple as simply choosing the longest -- so BD-RB goes through series of steps to help it identify the most likely candidate. It is correct at least 99% of the time. I think that's as good as it will get.

[Limobar]

1. That's only with movie-only. I would like to see the same list for full backups, having the option to select per playlist whether to treat it like a movie or as extras.

2. I know that BD-Rebuilder takes more into account than just the playing time. Because of that BD-Rebuilder sometimes decides that more than one playlist gets treated as a movie.

With blu-rays that contain episodes that is correct, but when it's a movie blu-ray, this sometimes goes wrong. A way to correct this is an optional simpler check for the playlist with the longest playing time, treating that like a movie and the other playlists like extras.

[laserfan]

In using BD-RB to back-up a couple of <25Gb Blu-rays recently, I noticed that despite that all vids are kept as-is (no reencode) the process still makes .dgi files for each. As I don't believe these are used at all except when re-encoding, it would speed things up to skip this step? At least for the main movie the DGI files take a couple Gb and 7 or 8 minutes to create on my PC.

[jdobbs]

In using BD-RB to back-up a couple of <25Gb Blu-rays recently, I noticed that despite that all vids are kept as-is (no reencode) the process still makes .dgi files for each. As I don't believe these are used at all except when re-encoding, it would speed things up to skip this step? At least for the main movie the DGI files take a couple Gb and 7 or 8 minutes to create on my PC.Not really. The scan for DGI is done at the same time as the video extraction so it doesn't add any time. Also, you don't actually know for sure if the DGI is needed until after the video is extracted and you check its size.

[laserfan]

Not really. The scan for DGI is done at the same time as the video extraction so it doesn't add any time. Also, you don't actually know for sure if the DGI is needed until after the video is extracted and you check its size.
Ah, yes, computers can do multiple things at the same time--still, it's magic to me.

:)

I was trying it on discs where I knew in advance no recoding would be needed, so was interested to see the dgis still.

But now that I've played with it some more, I realize also that I do always want the .dgi file there anyway, in case I choose to add a chapter marker or two before muxing again.

[laserfan]

In the bugs thread I mentioned my interest to have an option for BD-RB "Movie with Menus-Edited" that will First Play the main movie without having to go thru the menu first. Well I played with two discs yesterday, and one was very easy to change (using BDEdit) by selecting in index.bdmv a different First Play Movie number. Bingo. But then the second disc had instead of "Movie" as first play, "Interactive" and I found no easy way to skip directly to the feature. It would seem that every disc would be different from every other disc in how this might be done.

The things we go through to try to avoid all the BD menu/trailer/advert/warning hoops manufacturers put users through! Every step Forward since Laserdisc has been instead a step Backward in user-friendliness IMO. :(

[jdobbs]

In the bugs thread I mentioned my interest to have an option for BD-RB "Movie with Menus-Edited" that will First Play the main movie without having to go thru the menu first. Well I played with two discs yesterday, and one was very easy to change (using BDEdit) by selecting in index.bdmv a different First Play Movie number. Bingo. But then the second disc had instead of "Movie" as first play, "Interactive" and I found no easy way to skip directly to the feature. It would seem that every disc would be different from every other disc in how this might be done.

The things we go through to try to avoid all the BD menu/trailer/advert/warning hoops manufacturers put users through! Every step Forward since Laserdisc has been instead a step Backward in user-friendliness IMO. :( Not to mention the huge number of discs that use BD-J. If you want to keep all the significant content, but start playing immediately with the movie, I would suggest you try "Quick Play" mode. That's exactly why it is there.

[laserfan]

Not to mention the huge number of discs that use BD-J. If you want to keep all the significant content, but start playing immediately with the movie, I would suggest you try "Quick Play" mode. That's exactly why it is there.
I had to look it up (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1617197&highlight=Quick-Play#post1617197)! That one slipped-by me. I suppose the downside is that you might not know what it is that you are looking at (featurettes or deleted scenes or trailers or...) but I understand better now the issues of dealing with the myriad of menu schemes.

Thanks. :)

[laserfan]

My reason for making BD backups is frequently to alter subtitles, to convert to 2.40 (get them on-screen) or remove the "for hard of hearing" items, or other. Sometimes it's as simple as reversing the order of the subs if there are both normal and SDH subs.

I do also like to add chapter marks sometimes, e.g. at the Credits roll which aren't always built-in.

I know I can just let BD-RB do its thing and then alter the .meta file and re-run the mux, but it would be nice if I can avoid the time and disk wear/tear for large BDs to be able to just stop prior to mux time?

[techno1]

Well, I did a search of this thread for "update", and got too many hits. So, if it hasn't been mentioned, can BDRB check for updates upon program start? I always check JDOBBS website before starting BDRB.

[RobertM]

can BDRB check for updates upon program start?

BD-RB doesn't do that. It could, I suppose, if JDobbs wanted it to do so. BD-RB does time-out after a month or so, however, which forces you to get a fresh copy, and keeps everybody relatively up-to-date.

[jdobbs]

BD-RB doesn't do that. It could, I suppose, if JDobbs wanted it to do so. BD-RB does time-out after a month or so, however, which forces you to get a fresh copy, and keeps everybody relatively up-to-date.

I may do that so I can get rid of the timeouts.

[tn jim]

Is it possible to include a second BD drive in the backup process so that we could put the source BD disc in one drive, have it decrypted and read/ripped to the PC HDD, then have BD-RB automatically take over, do it's thing, initiate ImgBurn that would then automagically burn the BD backup disc that is already in the second PC drive.

This would obviously eliminate the step of having to remove the source BD from the single drive and then inserting the backup disc thus

making for a more seamless and slick process.

DVD Shrink can function with a two drive setup like I am suggesting.

Mr.jdobbs,Thank You for all that you do!!!

[RobertM]

I may do that so I can get rid of the timeouts.

I would hope that you would just prompt that an update is available, rather than force an update (like Firefox does). Otherwise we couldn't choose to keep using an older version for troubleshooting purposes.

[meadrocks]

I typically run bd-rb in movie only mode, I set the output size to either dvd-5 or custom dependent on the length of the movie. Then I run mkvmerge on the m2ts file to make a mkv file. However I can't figure out how to get forced subtitles to play in a .mkv file. My test is Get The Gringo.

When I burn a dvd of the dvd-5 , I have to turn on ENG3 subtitles to get forced subs to display. Why don't they display all the time???

I'll test later to see if I can get ENG3 subs in a .mkv file to play the forced subs.

Thanks for your help & rockin software!!!

[Ch3vr0n]

@meatrocks: ya do know bdrb can output directly to mkv itself don't you?

[jdobbs]

I typically run bd-rb in movie only mode, I set the output size to either dvd-5 or custom dependent on the length of the movie. Then I run mkvmerge on the m2ts file to make a mkv file. However I can't figure out how to get forced subtitles to play in a .mkv file. My test is Get The Gringo.

When I burn a dvd of the dvd-5 , I have to turn on ENG3 subtitles to get forced subs to display. Why don't they display all the time???

I'll test later to see if I can get ENG3 subs in a .mkv file to play the forced subs.

Thanks for your help & rockin software!!!
I've been working on forced subtitles. I'll work out a way for including them in MKV in the next release.

[HWK]

@ Jdobbs, I thought this may interest you. tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray (Though still in development)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168539

[jdobbs]

@ Jdobbs, I thought this may interest you. tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray (Though still in development)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168539Thanks.

[HWK]

Originally Posted by Yordan5
jdobbs, It is probably a long shot however, once Roman has released a stable version of TsMuxeR with 3D muxing capabilities, would you consider incorporating this in BD RB?

Originally Posted by Jdobbs
Yes, of course.

The problem is that there currently isn't a freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.

If my memory serve correctly there is one which is free and cmd based.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1627007#post1627007

[gonca]

@HWK
Are you thinking of the Nokia encoder?

[HWK]

@HWK
Are you thinking of the Nokia encoder?

No, it is kind of open source.

[Ch3vr0n]

Kind of open source? How is that possible. It either is or it isn't open source. It can't be "half".

[HWK]

It is build on intel media SDK by users. Not sure what to make out of it but I would consider close source since you really can't modify core of program or I am reading it wrong.

[HWK]

Jdobbs, AVCHD 2.0 standard support 3D are you planning to support it. Also it doesn't require mvc encoder for it to work.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/12/avchd.20.spec.now.out.with.new.trademarks/

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, AVCHD 2.0 standard support 3D are you planning to support it. Also it doesn't require mvc encoder for it to work.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/12/avchd.20.spec.now.out.with.new.trademarks/ Yes. But I'll need to do some research as to what I need to change in order to support it.

[Sharc]

Jdobbs, AVCHD 2.0 standard support 3D are you planning to support it. Also it doesn't require mvc encoder for it to work......
Out of curiosity: If AVCHD is not using MVC, is the compression efficiency the same as for Blu-ray MVC i.e. the dependent stream requiring about 50% of the base view? Or are there 2 independent streams of equal size (SBS, O/U, interleaved...)?

[HWK]

Everyone is talking about new standard however at this stage I am not sure how they are creating it.

[jdobbs]

Everyone is talking about new standard however at this stage I am not sure how they are creating it.Other than the statement that it is "finalized" I haven't seen any details. But I haven't really looked that hard...

The important question is: How long will it be before the firmware in the 3D standalone players is updated support it?

[Sharc]

Here some public AVCHD 3D Clips (http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/features/3d/content.html).
Should allow to draw some conclusions on the format.

[HWK]

Here some public AVCHD 3D Clips (http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/features/3d/content.html).
Should allow to draw some conclusions on the format.

Clips are side by side format. Which can accomplish with existing tools out there.

[Sharc]

Clips are side by side format. Which can accomplish with existing tools out there.
What's the advantage then over BD-RB's current SBS blu-ray format? I think the resolution and efficiency (file size) benefit would come with blu-ray MVC format only.....

Edit:
Hmmm... maybe these clips are just "ordinary" 3D examples and do not even follow the AVCHD V2.0 3D Standard?

Edit 2:
This seems to be a better example for AVCHD 2.0 using MVC. (http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30/18187.page#93669)
You can demux with the new tsMuxeR and get the base and the dependent view.

[HWK]

What's the advantage then over BD-RB's current SBS blu-ray format? I think the resolution and efficiency (file size) benefit would come with blu-ray MVC format only.....

Edit:
Hmmm... maybe these clips are just "ordinary" 3D examples and do not even follow the AVCHD V2.0 3D standard?

Good point, may be they don't follow specs.

I was reading article at "http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/12/avchd.20.spec.now.out.with.new.trademarks/" about option to do 1080p 50FPS (for PAL) and 60FPS (for NTSC) video specifications as well as 3D video. One possible way to do is use 30fps per eye to achieve 3d effect, even if you don't have access to mvc encoder.

[jdobbs]

Clips are side by side format. Which can accomplish with existing tools out there.I assume you mean BD-RB... and yes, it does.

[jdobbs]

What's the advantage then over BD-RB's current SBS blu-ray format? I think the resolution and efficiency (file size) benefit would come with blu-ray MVC format only.....

Edit:
Hmmm... maybe these clips are just "ordinary" 3D examples and do not even follow the AVCHD V2.0 3D Standard?

Edit 2:
This seems to be a better example for AVCHD 2.0 using MVC. (http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30/18187.page#93669)
You can demux with the new tsMuxeR and get the base and the dependent view. As near as I can tell (from very limited reading) the new AVCHD 2.0 standard just doubles the framerate so you get two views for each picture. Whether it uses MVC, I don't know.

[Sharc]

As near as I can tell (from very limited reading) the new AVCHD 2.0 standard just doubles the framerate so you get two views for each picture. Whether it uses MVC, I don't know.
Possibly yes, but just doubling the framerate would mean 2 streams of (almost) equal file size. The example which I found has a track of 18MB (base view) while the other (dependent) view is 11MB. From this I concluded that MVC is probably an option of AVCHD 2.0 -- which would then require an MVC Encoder....

[jdobbs]

Possibly yes, but just doubling the framerate would mean 2 streams of (almost) equal file size. The example which I found has a track of 18MB (base view) while the other (dependent) view is 11MB. From this I concluded that MVC is probably an option of AVCHD 2.0 -- which would then require an MVC Encoder.... Makes sense.

I really wish they'd add MVC support to X264.

[AmigaFuture]

I would hope that you would just prompt that an update is available, rather than force an update (like Firefox does). Otherwise we couldn't choose to keep using an older version for troubleshooting purposes.

A lot of programs have that happening in the background. I don't like it either. It's silent updating, and there are ways to stop it. Prompting the user is much preferred and then perhaps a download page is displayed. That....I like. The other way is an invasion and removing control fro the user, to me. Maybe a lot of people like auto-pilot...I do not except in the movie Airplane! HAHA!

[HWK]

Possibly yes, but just doubling the framerate would mean 2 streams of (almost) equal file size. The example which I found has a track of 18MB (base view) while the other (dependent) view is 11MB. From this I concluded that MVC is probably an option of AVCHD 2.0 -- which would then require an MVC Encoder....

In that case, it is good to know that it allows both option. However support for mvc in x264 would be welcome addition.

[TheSkipper]

I can't find if this is already an option but, if multiple drives are available, can the output setting to burn to imgburn be used to select which drive has a blank disc?

[jdobbs]

I can't find if this is already an option but, if multiple drives are available, can the output setting to burn to imgburn be used to select which drive has a blank disc?That's not an option, and it would be difficult to implement. But you can choose the drive with:

IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=

Details are in HIDDENOPTS.TXT.

[montana72]

high speed 25 option is correct for blu rays of 25 gigabytes? I always remove extras and just leave the video of the film, so not compress so much although I always use the default high quality option. Are you wasting time?

[jdobbs]

high speed 25 option is correct for blu rays of 25 gigabytes? I always remove extras and just leave the video of the film, so not compress so much although I always use the default high quality option. Are you wasting time?For movie-only you're probably alright, but I personally only use that option if I'm in a hurry. It is better to let BD-RB select the mode (Automatic Quality Settings).