BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[tyte_E_YT]

Can't you just save the current project before aborting and load it again later to resume?

You will lose any progress on a current encode when you save and abort. A pause button would be great for those times when you are in the middle of, say for example, the main movie.

[Sharc]

I wish to find the value of the x264 rate factor in the bd_rebuilder.log. AFAIK it should be available from x264 after pass 1 of an encode.

[Furiousflea]

Not even movie only :) PLeeeasee lol!!

You can do movie only yourself no problem. Preperation to turn it into a Bluray compatible stream only takes a few minutes. just run the source EVOs through eac3to with no switches. Check what stream number corresponds to what you want in your bluray...

example...

eac3to feature1.evo+feature2.evo 2: c:\film\video.vc1 3: c:\film\audio.ac3

Run tsmuxer and add the streams you extracted, then save as Bluray structure. Load the structure into BD-RB, sorted.

[Furiousflea]

if the option : "- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc." would be really welcome,
I'd add the option : "Downconvert HD / Lossless Audio to DTS Full Rate", very often the LPCM audio is way too big

Nik

Not possible as there is no freeware DTS encoder, certainly no "good" one anyway to my knowledge.

[crocked]

I have used bd_rebuilder to convert several mkv files (first converted to blu ray format) in which the the video has been cropped to 1920 * 800. Inserting an addborders(0,140,0,140) into the video.avs file while x264 carries out the first pass has worked to set the video to the correct resolution. A facility in the program to add borders of a user defined size would be useful addition to this excellent program

[redfox]

Any chance of adding the ability to also back up DVD's to BD? I know this can be (partially) accomplished with DVD-RB, but I'm sure BD-RB has the potential for providing better support for this.

[GaPony]

Any chance of adding the ability to also back up DVD's to BD? I know this can be (partially) accomplished with DVD-RB, but I'm sure BD-RB has the potential for providing better support for this.

I'm very curious why someone would want to do that?

[laserfan]

I'm very curious why someone would want to do that?Because you can re-encode ordinary Std Def DVDs to x264, and retain original quality on a DVD5, vs. most comml DVD-9s or even some movies which span multiple discs (e.g. Titanic special, LOTR, Pearl Harbor, etc).

[jdobbs]

It would retain virtually 100% of the original quality because of the increased efficiency of X264.

[edit] Hmm... too slow on the trigger.

[redfox]

Because you can re-encode ordinary Std Def DVDs to x264, and retain original quality on a DVD5, vs. most comml DVD-9s or even some movies which span multiple discs (e.g. Titanic special, LOTR, Pearl Harbor, etc).

Or put a whole TV series onto a BD-25 (or even a DVD-9).

So, jdobbs, how about it? If I'm not mistaken, the concept of BD-RB actually sort of grew out of an original request for precisely this feature, in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135335).

[turbojet]

Any chance of displaying eta reported by x264 in the gui?

[Sharc]

"Shutdown after completion" option would be nice for overnight encodes.

[jdobbs]

Any chance of displaying eta reported by x264 in the gui? It would be okay for "time to complete this pass" -- but time to complete just isn't feasible because there is so much difference between passes. The display already tells you the time is started and the percent complete... seems like the eta is easy enough to estimate based on those two things.

[jdobbs]

"Shutdown after completion" option would be nice for overnight encodes. I'll put one in.

[turbojet]

It would be okay for "time to complete this pass" -- but time to complete just isn't feasible because there is so much difference between passes. The display already tells you the time is started and the percent complete... seems like the eta is easy enough to estimate based on those two things.

That's plenty fine and it's all that x264 and other gui's offer as well. I can understand it would be very difficult to get a good estimate on full project eta.

[Furiousflea]

That's plenty fine and it's all that x264 and other gui's offer as well. I can understand it would be very difficult to get a good estimate on full project eta.

2nd-ed. Time to complete pass is more than sufficient. The extras are almost fun to watch encoding :p it's that 2nd pass on the main movie that we're all wondering..."hmmm do I have enough time to go to the shops and be out for the day or am I wasting my cpu's encoding time"....

just me then :p

[VladDrakul]

Not sure if anyone asked this. But one of the things I would like to see in DVD rebuilder was the possibility to open IMAGE FILES.
the same way as DVDShrink does.

[~bT~]

^ just mount and open. btw, this is a BD-Rebuilder thread..

[turbojet]

In order to resume in between passes, could you write a file (or log it or something) when first pass finishes, if exists check for second pass and if it doesn't exist run second pass?

[Sharc]

I suggest to make a separate (persistent) CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE= in the BDREBUILDER.ini which can be selected under settings/options similar as the standard BD-5/9/25 sizes.

[DIEGO7-5]

Hi jdobbs,

currently interlaced material is deinterlaced with FieldDeinterlace.

Any chance of using something like this to encode to interlaced?:

SeparateFields()
LanczosResize(1920,540)
Weave()

I have tried this in XVID4PSP on h264 1080i/60 material and it worked for me. But i don´t know if this is standalone compatible. According to the changelog XVID4PSP is using a patched version of x264 to achieve this.

[tekmobile]

I know that untouched DTS-HD/TrueHD gets asked for all the time im not really sure whats involved to do this like if theres a "tag" in some other file like the playlist or something but as a test i took my last encode that i still had all the work files for and used tsMuxer to demux the DTS-HD track overwriting the DTS core track that BD-RB extracted then allowed BD-RB to rebuild the m2ts files and everything else it does.

Now i dont know if it will work in a standalone because obviously the disc was oversize due to the DTS-HD track but in totalmedia theatre the disc played back without problems and in the information stated video as AVC (source was VC-1) and Audio as DTS-HD MSTR.

Im just doing another disc with a custom size 2GB smaller that a BD25 to allow for the DTS-HD MA track to burn to a BD-RE and test in my BDP-S350

[turbojet]

Could quick encodes option use the same x264 settings (except add --crf) that is in the movie depending on which quality setting is set?

[gillie]

How about a quick select menu option to recode to 50% of the original file size rather than having to manually work this out and then modify the CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE= in the BDREBUILDER.ini
I store my Blu-ray rips (movie only) on a network share and then stream via a TVIX box. Some movie only rips are huge (i.e. Transformers at 35Gigs) and I have tested with BD Rebuilder and a 50% reduction in size is indistinguishable from the original.
I currently have over 3TB of movies and a 50% reduction without any noticeable quality loss would obviously be a huge saving.
A batch process would also be ideal, even if it relies on an import script, i.e. source path - output path - working path - 50% reduction

[GaPony]

Try the Movie Only to DVD9... I can't tell any difference from the original when playing them side by side. It saves even more space.

[gillie]

GaPony - Tried Movie Only to DVD9 but this obviously results in different "compression" levels, i.e. Transformers would be 25% of original size, whereas Swordfish would be 50% of original size.
I just think that a recode of Transformers from 35GB to 7.9GB must be pushing the limits and must result in a noticeable loss and as such would feel much happier with a simple (and constant) 50% reduction for all my movies.
I'm doing this anyway but currently have to calculate and enter the target size manually.

[MikeyBK]

I've gone to backing up all my Blurays to BD-9s onto my PC (as well as onto discs as well) and they look pretty amazing when viewed on my 40" HDTV from my PC via a DVI to HDMI cable. I've compared original discs to these BD-9 files on different HDMI ports on my HDTV simultaneously and it's really hard as hell to notice which is which... I'm sure if I were to try and disect it side by side there may be, but if I can't tell which is which.... well that's telling me how good BD-RB and x264 really is.

just my 2 cents//

[GaPony]

GaPony - Tried Movie Only to DVD9 but this obviously results in different "compression" levels, i.e. Transformers would be 25% of original size, whereas Swordfish would be 50% of original size.
I just think that a recode of Transformers from 35GB to 7.9GB must be pushing the limits and must result in a noticeable loss and as such would feel much happier with a simple (and constant) 50% reduction for all my movies.
I'm doing this anyway but currently have to calculate and enter the target size manually.

I think the level of quality will be subjective, but its hard to make a general comment that the quality is going to suffer in any significant way. Like you say, some movies will look better or worse than others due to the size (movie runtime) of the original. Transformers, for instance, may or may not be pushing the limits of the software, but it looks amazingly good on a BD9 (Movie Only).

What you're doing is an interesting concept. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't on the radar of jdobbs when he invisioned the final product. Whether he would implement the 50% reduction or not, its nice to see that you can still get to where you want using the custom target size. It could be a slippery slope... you want 50%, someone else may want 30% and there's always that one who will want 42.7%. :)

You did get me thinking about reducing the size of the movies I stream over my network... Thanks... I think. :p

[tyau]

I think the level of quality will be subjective, but its hard to make a general comment that the quality is going to suffer in any significant way.

I agree.
I encoded a couple of muxed 30GB movie-only to a BD5 (at the highest quality settings). I can tell that there's a difference in quality, namely slight decrease in sharpness. However, shrinking a BD to approximately 1/6th of its original size still yields much, much better results than, say, compressing a 4GB movie-only content to a 700MB AVI.

[GaPony]

I agree. I think putting, even a Movie Only copy, onto a BD5 is pushing it for anything more than a 90-100 minute movie. When I look at my Movie BD9's though, I have to wonder why the studios need a 50gb disc even if they include all the extra stuff. I honestly can't tell any difference whatsoever when doing a full copy to a BD25 disc... and I know that the uncompressed audio doesn't use up another 15-20gb of space.

For now I copy every movie I have onto BD25 (Full), BD9 (Movie only), and movies under 90 minutes to BD5 (Movie Only). Its for testing and comparison only. In the name of science... :)

[spida_singh]

I know keeping HD audio was recently added, a request to have this feature extended to the custom file size option. Reason being, i watch all my media via a popcorn hour, my backups are all either 5 GB, or 10GB, give or take a little depending on the length of the media.

regards

[wakebrder]

I know keeping HD audio was recently added, a request to have this feature extended to the custom file size option. Reason being, i watch all my media via a popcorn hour, my backups are all either 5 GB, or 10GB, give or take a little depending on the length of the media.

regards

I second this request.

Some shorter movies/TV episodes could be backed up with movie only/HD audio @ 720p.

If someone decides to back up a 3 hr movie with DTS-MA @ 1080p to a DVD-5, should they really be backing up their discs in the first place?:eek:

Thanks again Jdobbs!!

[GaPony]

How about an option to play a .wav file at the end of processing, to alert the user that the operation is complete.

Yea, I know its trivial, but given the processing time, its nice to keep things moving along without more downtime than is necessary when we have alot of movies to do.

I won't hold my breath on this one. :)

[Furiousflea]

How about an option to play a .wav file at the end of processing, to alert the user that the operation is complete.

Yea, I know its trivial, but given the processing time, its nice to keep things moving along without more downtime than is necessary when we have alot of movies to do.

I won't hold my breath on this one. :)

Not exactly elegant...but as a stop gap solution I just make 4 folders with copies of BDRB\associated files inside and set 4 instances to go at once. :)

18-24 hours later...4 Blurays...

[Capsbackup]

I vote for a "shut down after rebuild", since I would not want to hear an audio alert while I'm trying to sleep in the middle of the night or early morning. Also, the "after glow" of the humming from my I7 920 has warn off, so the noise from it silenced after completion would be a welcome one. :D

[GaPony]

I vote for a "shut down after rebuild", since I would not want to hear an audio alert while I'm trying to sleep in the middle of the night or early morning. Also, the "after glow" of the humming from my I7 920 has warn off, so the noise from it silenced after completion would be a welcome one. :D

That's why I asked for the option... user chooses to use it and what .wav file to use. :)

I wasn't planning on getting up in the middle of the night to change discs... just something to hear when I'm doing something in another room while awake. ;)

Like I said, I won't hold my breath for this feature to be implemented.

[GaPony]

Not exactly elegant...but as a stop gap solution I just make 4 folders with copies of BDRB\associated files inside and set 4 instances to go at once. :)

18-24 hours later...4 Blurays...

Ouch! You must hate your PC.... do the work of four, not even getting paid for the work of one. :)

What processor are you using?

[onesloth]

It would be useful to me if I could use BD-RB to replace the video or audio streams (or m2ts) with files I encoded myself.

[colinhunt]

It would be nice if BD-RB had the intelligence to *not* re-encode the video stream if it fits in the destination size as-is. I'm currently testing v0.20.05 with Ghost in the Shell, and by simply removing one audio track the data would fit on a BD-25 without re-encoding.

[Furiousflea]

Ouch! You must hate your PC.... do the work of four, not even getting paid for the work of one. :)

What processor are you using?

lol yeah just splashed out on a core i7 920 and clocked it to 4Ghz with 12GB memory.

[archaeo]

Not exactly elegant...but as a stop gap solution I just make 4 folders with copies of BDRB\associated files inside and set 4 instances to go at once. :)

18-24 hours later...4 Blurays...

Hmm...wondering how you did that. I tried it with just two separate folders, and get an error (failed to encode) after extracting audio/subs. It appears that I can't get two instances of x264 to run at the same time.

[Furiousflea]

Hmm...wondering how you did that. I tried it with just two separate folders, and get an error (failed to encode) after extracting audio/subs. It appears that I can't get two instances of x264 to run at the same time.

weird...

I have 4 folders BDRB1\2\3\4 (each contain everything in the bdrb distribution).

I have 4 work folders bdwork\1\2\3\4

Simple as that...

Very strange, you shouldn't have a problem running 4 instances of x264. There is no limit to my knowledge. Are you sure you have each instance of bdrb set to run with differet work folders\source folders etc.

Running at least 2 is a good idea because the 1st pass in x264 only uses just over half of the cpu anyway so might as well put it to use.

[archaeo]

Are you sure you have each instance of bdrb set to run with differet work folders\source folders etc.

For the record, I'm running a Core2duo, OC to 3.2Ghz.
Yeah, the source and work folders are different, however the source drive happens to be the same - but not sure that has anything to do with it.
I'll tinker with it a bit and see. But I definitely don't want to crash the system and have to re-do an encode pass:(

[GaPony]

Having a single source drive shouldn't be a problem. The drive's cache should be able to handle the activity. Once the program is loaded into memory, all should be good... if you have enough RAM.

[Furiousflea]

Having a single source drive shouldn't be a problem. The drive's cache should be able to handle the activity. Once the program is loaded into memory, all should be good... if you have enough RAM.

Yeah this pretty much. I run the 4 instances on the same drive for the source and work. But run any of the instances that have a massive m2ts first and let them extract on their own.

At encoding time it doesn't matter at all that it's all on the same drive.

Personally I were using a core2duo I'd just have 2 instances...since there's only 2 threads it would slow encoding down to a degree running 4 x264 copies (i would expect)

[pcdo]

Ok I know that this is going to sound stupid to those of you who face greater than 10 hour reencodes, but if possible I would like to see a return to batch encoding. I figure that overnight and during the time that it takes me to get home from the real world I can easily do at least 3 to 4 BD movies depending on length.

Well it takes me much longer than 10 hours to reencode, but batch encoding would still be an awesome option, especially during the times when I go out of town for extended period of times.

[turbojet]

Could quick encode of extras use CRF with the same settings that are set in quality (--ref --psy-rd --trellis etc.)
- OR -
Could there be an option in ini and/or gui that sets the quality of the quick extras that's separate then the main movie quality setting?

[Sharc]

^
I am looking forward to when the currently greyed out <One Pass Encoding> will allow us to run 1-pass crf encodes for the main movie with "reasonable target file size accuracy" (say between 90 ... 100% of the specified file size). It would significantly reduce the overall encoding time.

[spida_singh]

Any news on keeping Hi Def tracks under the custom file size option?

[Furiousflea]

No disrespect, but I could care less what the article says. I know what I hear in my home theater and yes I hear a difference.

Was just about to say the same thing :)

Any doubters, try listening to the TrueHD track on Akira and have another think about it.