BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[omegaman7]

now in the output folder , there are temporary files
and in the same folder after compression , there will be the compressed files ready to burn
the hard disk is forced to read and write in the same position when the structure of bluray is created after compression

I would like if possible

input folder, in D
temp folder in E
output folder in D


sorry for my bad english

Have you ever watched the final process? I think if you did, you would realize it's really not needed ;)

[jdobbs]

now in the output folder , there are temporary files
and in the same folder after compression , there will be the compressed files ready to burn
the hard disk is forced to read and write in the same position when the structure of bluray is created after compression

I would like if possible

input folder, in D
temp folder in E
output folder in D


sorry for my bad english
Your statement is incorrect, and omegaman7 is right, but:

From HIDDENOPTS.TXT:

OUTPUT_FOLDER=p
p = Path to a folder to be used for output. e.g. OUTPUT_FOLDER=D:\OUTPUT (it must exist)

If you set it up the way you have said (D=source, E=temp, D=output) it will actually slow down the process because the files have to be copied (rather than moved) in the rebuild process. Also be careful, you can't use the same output path as input on D.

[gamete]

I understand

thanks

[colinhunt]

Any chance we could get a "Yes to all" (and "No to all", why not?) buttons in the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue window? I've seen a lot of titles recently where PAT/PMT program information does not match the detected audio, and PAT/PMT has always been the correct choice.

When the title is a multi-episode TV show, the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue pops up for every episode which ruins the idea of leaving the encode running for the night.

[jdobbs]

Any chance we could get a "Yes to all" (and "No to all", why not?) buttons in the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue window? I've seen a lot of titles recently where PAT/PMT program information does not match the detected audio, and PAT/PMT has always been the correct choice.

When the title is a multi-episode TV show, the Audio Detection Mismatch dialogue pops up for every episode which ruins the idea of leaving the encode running for the night. That's set within DGIndexNV, not BD-RB. It's pretty easy to do, just read the DGIndexNVManual.html manual (included in the installation folder of DGDecNV).

[colinhunt]

That's set within DGIndexNV, not BD-RB. It's pretty easy to do, just read the DGIndexNVManual.html manual (included in the installation folder of DGDecNV).
Allright-y. Thanks!

[Nico8583]

Hi :)
Do you think it is possible to add 3D SBS encoding in BD-RB ? The only difference between 2D and 3D seems to be AVS script (and DLL decoder for 3D)
Open a BD disc -> Detect if it's a 2D or 3D BD -> Create an AVS script to downsize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (like a downscale 1080p to 720p already include in BD-RB) -> Next steps are the same for 2D or 3D (encode, remux)

[jdobbs]

Hi :)
Do you think it is possible to add 3D SBS encoding in BD-RB ? The only difference between 2D and 3D seems to be AVS script (and DLL decoder for 3D)
Open a BD disc -> Detect if it's a 2D or 3D BD -> Create an AVS script to downsize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (like a downscale 1080p to 720p already include in BD-RB) -> Next steps are the same for 2D or 3D (encode, remux) I haven't been paying much attention to SBS as an alternative to the way 3D is implemented as a standard in blu-ray. What do you use to actually play the 3D SBS output, and what equipment do you require to play it back?

[Nico8583]

I haven't been paying much attention to SBS as an alternative to the way 3D is implemented as a standard in blu-ray. What do you use to actually play the 3D SBS output, and what equipment do you require to play it back?
3D SBS can be play with any standard BD player (PC or not) if it is in a Blu ray structure or any TV 3D with mkv support because it looks like 2D movie.
The only equipment need is a TV 3D :)
I'm testing differents AviSynth filters to resize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (Lanczos(4 or not) or Spline(16, 36 or64)), so I obtain a 1920x1080 x264 movie, I mux that with audio and subtitle(s) in a Blu ray structure (like BD-RB movie only) and all would be good :)

[jdobbs]

3D SBS can be play with any standard BD player (PC or not) if it is in a Blu ray structure or any TV 3D with mkv support because it looks like 2D movie.
The only equipment need is a TV 3D :)
I'm testing differents AviSynth filters to resize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (Lanczos(4 or not) or Spline(16, 36 or64)), so I obtain a 1920x1080 x264 movie, I mux that with audio and subtitle(s) in a Blu ray structure (like BD-RB movie only) and all would be good :) But, if it is side-by-side, though, you are actually only getting a 960x1080 picture, which is barely better than SD on the horizontal plane. What percentage of 3D monitors actually support SBS? Do they support an over-and-under picture as well?

[Nico8583]

You get 1 960x1080 picture for left view and 1 960x1080 picture for right view, both are assembled to get a 1920x1080 picture.
You can also do a T&B (Top Bottom) with 1 1920x540 picture fort left and 1 1920x540 picture for right.
I don't know what percentage of 3D monitors can accept this format but I believe it is an official 3D format.

[Ch3vr0n]

PDVD & TMT support SBS.

[Nico8583]

My Samsung Smart TV support MKV with SBS or TB for example, and most of the TV do the same :)

[Sharc]

Hi :)
Do you think it is possible to add 3D SBS encoding in BD-RB ? The only difference between 2D and 3D seems to be AVS script (and DLL decoder for 3D)
Open a BD disc -> Detect if it's a 2D or 3D BD -> Create an AVS script to downsize 3840x1080 to 1920x1080 (like a downscale 1080p to 720p already include in BD-RB) -> Next steps are the same for 2D or 3D (encode, remux)
BD3D2MK3D (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1609310#post1609310) does exactly what you want. Creating a Blu-ray structure from the encoded files in the working folder using tsMuxer is easy.

[Nico8583]

Yes but output is MKV, not BD, and the author don't use BD :)

[Sharc]

If you don't want an .mkv just untick "mux to mkv" in the GUI. After BD3D2MK3D has finished the encoding, fire up tsMuxerGUI.exe in the 'tools' folder in order to author a perfect BD from the .264 video, .ac3 audio and .sup subtitle files which you find in the output folder of BD3D2MK3D.
Just give it a try, it's straightforward.

[jdobbs]

My Samsung Smart TV support MKV with SBS or TB for example, and most of the TV do the same :)I'll take a look at it.

[jdobbs]

@RobertM

Were there any special circumstances or settings associated with your attempt to reencode "Man on Fire"? I just ran it with what I believe to be your settings, and it is in-sync.

[RobertM]

@RobertM

Were there any special circumstances or settings associated with your attempt to reencode "Man on Fire"?

I don't think so. I encode them all the same; movie-only, 1 'eng' soundtrack (re-encode to ac3), all 'eng' subs, cust size 24200.

I'll send more detailed config info later this afternoon, once my son gets done his homework on my encoding machine.

[jdobbs]

Hmm... I seem to have posted this in the wrong thread. Oh, well. ;)

[marktherob2011]

I would like to be able to select/unselect audio streams selectively from each stream.

Mark

[setarip_old]

For those of us who lived through the 1960s but "don't remember it", perhaps you could add a little note of clarification to the Hidden Text listing: AUDIO_AMPLIFY=n n = 0-x - Increase volume of reencoded audio. Example "1.2" = 20% increase, "2.0" = 2X such as "AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0 will result in SILENT audiostreams... (I learned the hard way recently ;>})

[jdobbs]

I would like to be able to select/unselect audio streams selectively from each stream.

Mark You can do that now. Just double click on the audio stream to select/unselect. Same for subtitles.

[colinhunt]

I'd like to request moving KEEP_HD_LPCM setting from .INI to BD-RB's Setup menu.

[RobertM]

such as "AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0 will result in SILENT audiostreams

That seems pretty intuitive.

[setarip_old]

That seems pretty intuitive. I guess I'm just not that intuitive - Most of the other "Hidden" items are Off/On (0/1) switches. I initially interpreted "AUDIO_AMPLIFY=0" as No ADDITIONAL amplification (After all, one usually doesn't rely on "Hidden" text if using the "routine" already-included audio volume/amplification setting)...

[thegame]

Sorry if this is already known but are we able to do movie only builds now and keep menu? and if not will this ever happen?

Thanks a lot jdobbs

[RobertM]

Sorry if this is already known but are we able to do movie only builds now and keep menu? and if not will this ever happen?

I thought that a "Movie and menus" option was added quite a while ago. I'm 100% not sure, since I only do "movie only" myself, and I'm not on my encoding machine so that I can verify this.

Even if that wasn't active, don't you simply do a "Full disc backup" and de-select all the stuff you don't want?

[gonca]

@RobertM
You are correct in your statement. "Movies and Menus" is under mode, and has been in use for quite a while.

[spotswood]

Hello jdobbs...

I have previously converted the HD-DVD Eagles Farewell-I to movie only Blu-ray using ClownBD. To make it fit on a BD25 disc without any video re-encode, ClownBD allows me to keep the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and extract the core from the 5.1 DTS Master Audio track. This results in a 21.5GB file which fits nicely on a BD25 disc, again without any video re-encode.

I've tried doing the same with BDrebuilder using the KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 hidden option and enabling/disabling the Keep HD Audio for BD25/Do not convert DTS to AC3 in the setup menu but haven't had any luck with either setting. I either end up with both HD tracks requiring the video to be re-encoded or it re-encodes the LPCM to 192 and keeps the DTS Master Audio track.

The Blu-ray version of the above mentioned title has just been released (finally!). What I would like is to now create a movie and menu backup keeping the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and the core DTS 5.1 track so it would fit on a BD25 disc without re-encoding the video. Possible? If I've missed something please forgive me. Thanks again for your help and/or suggestions!

[jdobbs]

Hello jdobbs...

I have previously converted the HD-DVD Eagles Farewell-I to movie only Blu-ray using ClownBD. To make it fit on a BD25 disc without any video re-encode, ClownBD allows me to keep the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and extract the core from the 5.1 DTS Master Audio track. This results in a 21.5GB file which fits nicely on a BD25 disc, again without any video re-encode.

I've tried doing the same with BDrebuilder using the KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 hidden option and enabling/disabling the Keep HD Audio for BD25/Do not convert DTS to AC3 in the setup menu but haven't had any luck with either setting. I either end up with both HD tracks requiring the video to be re-encoded or it re-encodes the LPCM to 192 and keeps the DTS Master Audio track.

The Blu-ray version of the above mentioned title has just been released (finally!). What I would like is to now create a movie and menu backup keeping the HD LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and the core DTS 5.1 track so it would fit on a BD25 disc without re-encoding the video. Possible? If I've missed something please forgive me. Thanks again for your help and/or suggestions! If it will fit without reencoding BD-RB should do it that way unless FORCE_ENCODE is or there is resizing involved,

But... if you want to force a no-encode you can add FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the config/ini file. You could also set a custom output size that is extremely large. But... chances are that it will be larger than you think.

[spotswood]

If it will fit without reencoding BD-RB should do it that way unless FORCE_ENCODE is or there is resizing involved,

But... if you want to force a no-encode you can add FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the config/ini file. You could also set a custom output size that is extremely large. But... chances are that it will be larger than you think.Thanks for your reply. I guess my question is can BDRB allow keeping the LPCM track and the core from the DTS-MA track? I was able to do this with ClownBD but without menus. I want to be able to create a movie/menus disc with the LPCM 2.0 Stereo track and just the core DTS 5.1 track. BDRB doesn't seem to allow this. If I'm mistaken and have missed a setting somehwere, my apolgies. Thanks again...

[Mark_Venture]

I haven't been paying much attention to SBS as an alternative to the way 3D is implemented as a standard in blu-ray. What do you use to actually play the 3D SBS output, and what equipment do you require to play it back?
Sorry I'm late to the party, but...

I'm playing 3d SBS mkv's over my home network via my LG BD570 (few year old 2D bluray player) and Sony 55HX750 TV (3D active shutter, just have to use the TV's 3D menu to select Side By Side mode), just as I do with my other MKV's. They actually look pretty good.

[jdobbs]

Sorry I'm late to the party, but...

I'm playing 3d SBS mkv's over my home network via my LG BD570 (few year old 2D bluray player) and Sony 55HX750 TV (3D active shutter, just have to use the TV's 3D menu to select Side By Side mode), just as I do with my other MKV's. They actually look pretty good. I've been looking at it this week. It looks like I can add the feature pretty easily. But, since the required DLLs are copyrighted I can't include them with BD-RB. But I can make it possible to browse for the required dll's if they are already installed and enable 3D SBS encoding (similar to the way you browse for DGDecNV now).

I went to the 3dtv.at site and bought the MVCtoAVI application so I have a legal copy of the CoreAVC DLLs (it's only 19 Euros) -- and I tested come conversions using AVISYNTH and X264. It looks good, and it's easy to make SBS, Over/Under, and Anaglyph output from a 3D source.

You'll likely see it in the next release. That way you can backup 3D discs (as SBS) or make MKVs directly from BD-RB.

I'm thinking about picking up a Visio TV with passive Theater 3D playback so I can do testing/watching of 3D. The reviews I've read online are pretty good and the price is right. Anyone out there own one or have experience with it?

[Mark_Venture]

...You'll likely see it in the next release. That way you can backup 3D discs (as SBS) or make MKVs directly from BD-RB...

...I'm thinking about picking up a Visio TV with passive Theater 3D playback so I can do testing/watching of 3D. The reviews I've read online are pretty good and the price is right. Anyone out there own one or have experience with it?Thank you for taking the time to add this feature!!!!

As for Vizio.. If you are focusing on budget only then it might not be bad. But if you're looking at it for your every day tv, etc... then I'd suggest you hit avsforums.com and do some reading.. They generally look at Vizio as being poor quality (build & picture), not long lasting, etc. BUT I haven't read up on every Vizio model, so its possible there might be a few good models from them too.

Right now, as you probably know, its change of model year for many electronics vendors. Sony, Samsung, LG, and others have discontinued their 2012 sets, and their 2013 are hitting the shelves in the next few weeks and months. SO you can get some good deals on 2012 left overs.

[jdobbs]

Thank you for taking the time to add this feature!!!!

As for Vizio.. If you are focusing on budget only then it might not be bad. But if you're looking at it for your every day tv, etc... then I'd suggest you hit avsforums.com and do some reading.. They generally look at Vizio as being poor quality (build & picture), not long lasting, etc. BUT I haven't read up on every Vizio model, so its possible there might be a few good models from them too.

Right now, as you probably know, its change of model year for many electronics vendors. Sony, Samsung, LG, and others have discontinued their 2012 sets, and their 2013 are hitting the shelves in the next few weeks and months. SO you can get some good deals on 2012 left overs. I went to Costco and compared several. I didn't like the passive 3D on the LG and Visio modes. They use alternating scan-lines for the two pictures -- and you can really see the edges between the images. I decided to go for a Samsung with active shutter glasses. Man... the glasses they provide work fine -- but they look and feel so cheap. Would it be that hard to provide some decent glasses?

[Mark_Venture]

I went to Costco and compared several. I didn't like the passive 3D on the LG and Visio modes. They use alternating scan-lines for the two pictures -- and you can really see the edges between the images. I decided to go for a Samsung with active shutter glasses. Man... the glasses they provide work fine -- but they look and feel so cheap. Would it be that hard to provide some decent glasses?
Active shutter is generally considered better. I read why once, but I can't remember.

The glasses are more expensive for active, and you have to charge them, but it looks good, and seems brighter too.

Samsungs have pretty good picture. I think you'll be happier it with it than if you would have got a Vizio or LG.

[Nico8583]

Thanks jdobbs to add this feature :)
I'm making tests to see differences between AviSynth resize filters (Lanczos, Spline...) and also to see differences between SBS and TB...
Have you tried angle with Ice Age 4 ?

[brunchto]

Thanks jdobbs to add this feature :)
I'm making tests to see differences between AviSynth resize filters (Lanczos, Spline...) and also to see differences between SBS and TB...
Have you tried angle with Ice Age 4 ?
no changes... but i have tested something. from my ISO image (full rip), i've made a full backup with BDRB to a new ISO. if i mount this ISO, then use BDRB, then i can select angles and make a movie only backup with the right angle.
I've tested with ice age 3. Can you try this with ice age 4?

[setarip_old]

Wearing glasses to watch a 3D movie - It's amazing that the studios and TV and other hardware manufacturers can con "leading edge consumers" into spending money on what is essentially 1950s technology.

I went to the movie theater in 1953 to be "amazed" at watching Vincent Price in the original "House of Wax" with cardboard anaglyph glasses! The headache that followed wan't appreciated.

Granted, the current versions of glasses and hardware (passive or active) are an improvement but, in my opinion represent something that the world can do without - until a 3D system that doesn't require glasses becomes the norm...

[brunchto]

no changes... but i have tested something. from my ISO image (full rip), i've made a full backup with BDRB to a new ISO. if i mount this ISO, then use BDRB, then i can select angles and make a movie only backup with the right angle.
I've tested with ice age 3. Can you try this with ice age 4?
update:
i've tried with StarWars. Previously,I was unable to select angle (french scrolling title). I've made a temporaty ISO in QuickPlay backup. With this new ISO, angle selection works fine... really strange isn't it?

[colinhunt]

Now, I know this is like asking for the moon from the sky... but I sure would love to see BD-RB do movie-only BD3D backups from Blu-ray 3Ds. It would have to output an .ISO image with an interleaved file system, of course, which is another big task in itself.

[colinhunt]

Granted, the current versions of glasses and hardware (passive or active) are an improvement but, in my opinion represent something that the world can do without - until a 3D system that doesn't require glasses becomes the norm...
Well, I wholeheartedly disagree with that notion.

[jdobbs]

Now, I know this is like asking for the moon from the sky... but I sure would love to see BD-RB do movie-only BD3D backups from Blu-ray 3Ds. It would have to output an .ISO image with an interleaved file system, of course, which is another big task in itself. That's not likely to happen until ImgBurn or another package provides a way to output a structure in which two files can point to the same sector. There also is no freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.

[colinhunt]

That's not likely to happen until ImgBurn or another package provides a way to output a structure in which two files can point to the same sector. There also is no freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.
Yeah, outputting interleaved file system is a problem, but I thought x264 does 3D these days. I was reading about a parameter in x264 Wiki and noticed something about frame-packing and 3D. x264 --fullhelp gave me this:

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Although... I don't think any of those are the same arrangement as on a Blu-ray 3D disc. Hmph.

[jdobbs]

Yeah, outputting interleaved file system is a problem, but I thought x264 does 3D these days. I was reading about a parameter in x264 Wiki and noticed something about frame-packing and 3D. x264 --fullhelp gave me this:

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Although... I don't think any of those are the same arrangement as on a Blu-ray 3D disc. Hmph.I've been doing a lot of reading on this topic. Frame packing is a requirement of the HDMI 1.4 standard... so a device that supports it should accept it, and it allows full resolution 3D (as opposed to SBS which halves the horizontal resolution). The question is "how do I get the frame-packed signal to the TV", since I don't think most BD players will accept it -- but I'm researching that as well.

Another question I'm asking myself: DirecTV sends a SBS picture to its box, and my Samsung 3D monitor automatically recognizes it and switches into SBS 3D mode. When using my BD player with SBS I have to switch it to SBS mode manually. That means there has to be a way to flag it in the stream... I'd like to find out how.

[Note] HDMI 1.4 frame-packing requires support for top-and-bottom packing, but side-by-side full resolution frame packing apparently isn't required (http://www.best-3dtvs.com/what-is-frame-packing-3d/). That link also indicates that, while stored as MVC on the disc, Blu-Ray players actually reorder the decoded frames into top-and-bottom frame pack format when they present it to the TV/monitor.

[Ch3vr0n]

why don't you ask the folks at DirecTV, say you're a subscriber to there services and a software dev and you noticed that SBS behavior and wonder what the flag is to have it autorecognise the SBS mode. Can't hurt to ask.

[Nico8583]

Another question I'm asking myself: DirecTV sends a SBS picture to its box, and my Samsung 3D monitor automatically recognizes it and switches into SBS 3D mode. When using my BD player with SBS I have to switch it to SBS mode manually. That means there has to be a way to flag it in the stream... I'd like to find out how.
MVC Player Free from frencher can do that, perhaps ask him how he proceeds...
# Added: Auto-switch of some compatible 3D TV (SBS an UO)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1620569#post1620569

[jdobbs]

why don't you ask the folks at DirecTV, say you're a subscriber to there services and a software dev and you noticed that SBS behavior and wonder what the flag is to have it autorecognise the SBS mode. Can't hurt to ask.Yeah... that's an idea, and I am a subscriber. I just thought about it, and it's also possible that their box is actually catching the SBS and converting it for output before it hits the TV. For all I know it might be frame-packed on output from the box.

[KarstenS]

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Although... I don't think any of those are the same arrangement as on a Blu-ray 3D disc. Hmph.

None of these options give us the output we would need for a real 3D disk. They all are alternative way for 3D movies, but they all have the same issue: they put both angles into one frame, what causes lower resolution and they will not natively get the TV into 3D mode automatically.

If someone want to create and analyze a real "movie only" 3D disc, then download the trial of DVD Architect Pro. With this software it is possible as I've seen.

[colinhunt]

None of these options give us the output we would need for a real 3D disk. They all are alternative way for 3D movies, but they all have the same issue: they put both angles into one frame, what causes lower resolution and they will not natively get the TV into 3D mode automatically.
Yeah, I realized when typing the post that some of those formats pack both views into a single frame, thus losing half of the resolution. Useless, in other words. And the ones that don't are not compatible with BD3D.

If someone want to create and analyze a real "movie only" 3D disc, then download the trial of DVD Architect Pro. With this software it is possible as I've seen.
I have it and have created 3D Blu-rays of my own footage with Sony Vegas Pro 12 (which is way too buggy for any serious work, IMHO).

[colinhunt]

HDMI 1.4 frame-packing requires support for top-and-bottom packing, but side-by-side full resolution frame packing apparently isn't required (http://www.best-3dtvs.com/what-is-frame-packing-3d/). That link also indicates that, while stored as MVC on the disc, Blu-Ray players actually reorder the decoded frames into top-and-bottom frame pack format when they present it to the TV/monitor.
Indeed. The player reads both the base stream (AVC) and dependent stream (MVC) from disc, gets L and R views from those and arranges the views into a single large frame (1920x2205 with 45 pixels of space between the views). Those frames are then transmitted to the display at ~24fps. Signaling tells the display it's receiving frame-packed 3D so it knows how to process the frames.

PlayStation 3 does not have the hardware for this so Sony engineers created similar functionality in software, and PS3 is powerful enough to pull it off. The software solution even lets them overcome the problem of PS3's HDMI 1.2/1.3 transmitters that lack the 3D features of HDMI 1.4 transmitter chips.

[jdobbs]

None of these options give us the output we would need for a real 3D disk. They all are alternative way for 3D movies, but they all have the same issue: they put both angles into one frame, what causes lower resolution and they will not natively get the TV into 3D mode automatically.

If someone want to create and analyze a real "movie only" 3D disc, then download the trial of DVD Architect Pro. With this software it is possible as I've seen. Actually you have it backwards. Give the X264 team the credit they deserve. These formats are the actual standard for presentation of 3D. MVC is just a way that Blu-Ray decided to implement it on their disc (probably to save space), but they have to be converted for playback. The blu-ray player has to reassemble the decoded picture into one of these formats (top-and-bottom frame packed) in order to present it to the monitor over HDMI. The monitor then internally converts it to frame sequential for display. None of these formats necessarily lower resolution: for example, the over-and-under is two full 1920x1080 pictures contained in one frame, and I don't believe frame alternation puts two pictures in one frame -- it uses full pictures (with double the frame rate) that have alternating L/R views.

[Sharc]

.... MVC is just a way that Blu-Ray decided to implement it on their disc (probably to save space), ...
... and probably to enable backwards playback compatibility: MVC 3D blu-rays can basically be played on legacy 2D blu-ray devices because one of the .m2ts streams is a standard 2D (left-eye) stream with full audio and subs.

[jdobbs]

... and probably to enable backwards playback compatibility: MVC 3D blu-rays can basically be played on legacy 2D blu-ray devices because one of the .m2ts streams is a standard 2D (left-eye) stream with full audio and subs. Sounds right...

[colinhunt]

... and probably to enable backwards playback compatibility: MVC 3D blu-rays can basically be played on legacy 2D blu-ray devices because one of the .m2ts streams is a standard 2D (left-eye) stream with full audio and subs.
Yeah - except when some dumbass Hollywood studio mid-level exec decides that they just have to sell the consumer both 3D-only and 2D-only versions of the Blu-ray in the same box. Hence Blu-ray 3Ds that have been programmed to work only on Blu-ray 3D players, even though the 2D stream would work perfectly well on 2D devices.

[Nico8583]

update:
i've tried with StarWars. Previously,I was unable to select angle (french scrolling title). I've made a temporaty ISO in QuickPlay backup. With this new ISO, angle selection works fine... really strange isn't it?
No changes with new full ISO created with BD-RB, I see 2 angles only...

[richardrpg]

@jdobbs
Glad to see you are considering to add a 3D sbs option to bdRebuilder. I've been having to use other software to encode my 3D Blu-Rays into sbs MKV files and every time I watch the resultant MKV I always wish that you would add this option to bdRebuilder so that I can have the same great picture quality that I always get from normal 2D encodes using bdRebuilder. Other software just cant come close to yours.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
Glad to see you are considering to add a 3D sbs option to bdRebuilder. I've been having to use other software to encode my 3D Blu-Rays into sbs MKV files and every time I watch the resultant MKV I always wish that you would add this option to bdRebuilder so that I can have the same great picture quality that I always get from normal 2D encodes using bdRebuilder. Other software just cant come close to yours. Thanks. I'll probably add it as a movie-only option first, and then add full 3D SBS backup later.

[Ch3vr0n]

so BDRB would be able to backup 3D only or 2D/3D hybrid discs by converting to SBS ?

[Sharc]

Thanks. I'll probably add it as a movie-only option first, and then add full 3D SBS backup later.
Good news. Any plans to include "anaglyph" encoding as an option?

[jdobbs]

Good news. Any plans to include "anaglyph" encoding as an option? That's pretty easy to do -- but I really don't care much for anaglyph, too much color loss.

[Sharc]

That's pretty easy to do -- but I really don't care much for anaglyph, too much color loss.
Yes, but anaglyph is the only way to enjoy 3D via 2D playback devices (projector or TV). The 3D effect is actually very good, the original resolution is basically kept intact, but as you say the color loss is an issue. However I found that by selecting the right type of anaglyph (depends on the source, trial and error) and increasing brightness, contrast and color saturation for playback one can get quite decent results.

[omegaman7]

I'll make the request first, so you don't necessarily have to read what follows the request. How about BD rebuilder acknowledging forced subtitle tracks, and taking the necessary steps to ensure them present(and active), in no matter the backup.

I just ran an MKV to DVD of Underworld: Awakening. The MKV stated that track 2 subtitle was forced, via Mediainfo. I suspect Bd Rebuilder either uses Mediainfo, or something similar to determine what a video contains, as far as framerate, run time, etc, etc.

I notice that when right clicking on the subtitle tracks in BD Rebuilder, that it allows you to turn them on(Turn subtitle ON). Making them Forced?

Here's some shots of the file infos. The one on the left is the raw MKV. The one on the right is the Pseudo conversion created by BD Rebuilder. I see it also loses the chapter information.

I guess there is logic to starting over with an imported file. Creating a different type of backup, and starting from square one. But perhaps this may inspire you in another way :)

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/omegaman7/MIUnderworld1_zps32f9c5f2.png

[jdobbs]

Well, yes. You can make them default on... but that really isn't "forced". In Blu-Ray the forcing is done at the individual line of text (actually picture) level. So you can have a complete set of subtitles in a SUP, but certain individual text lines (for example when an foriegn language is present) are displayed. A forced subtitle will display even if no subtitles are on.

I think most MKVs have SRT subs -- which I don't believe even have the ability to be "forced". So when MediaInfo says "forced" I'm not sure what it means. I'm guessing it just means that stream is defaulted "on" in the stream, but I really don't know -- I'm no expert on the Matroska format.

[omegaman7]

Thanks for the info. I hate subs(at least the headaches that come with editing them sometimes). You also taught me something I was unaware of. MUCH appreciated. Thanks a bunch :)

[plouie10]

Hi Jdobbs,
First let me say I love the program and have used it without issues. Sorry if this is in the wrong section but I don't know where else to ask, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

I'm compressing a blu-ray copy of Zero Dark Thirty using BD Rebuilder to compress to 25GB Blu-Ray. I choose the 35GB M2TS Stream which is 00001MPLS. I am only presented with 3 PGS streams for subtitles. The first 2 are english and then a spanish one. None of which are the forced subtitle streams. So when I compress and play back on Blu-ray player it's either all the english subtitles or none. It won't just play the forced subtitle. Can anybody point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Thanks
Phil

[jdobbs]

Hi Jdobbs,
First let me say I love the program and have used it without issues. Sorry if this is in the wrong section but I don't know where else to ask, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

I'm compressing a blu-ray copy of Zero Dark Thirty using BD Rebuilder to compress to 25GB Blu-Ray. I choose the 35GB M2TS Stream which is 00001MPLS. I am only presented with 3 PGS streams for subtitles. The first 2 are english and then a spanish one. None of which are the forced subtitle streams. So when I compress and play back on Blu-ray player it's either all the english subtitles or none. It won't just play the forced subtitle. Can anybody point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Thanks
PhilI'll be back to my office this weekend. I already bought that one, but haven't tried it. I'll give it a test and see what I can find.

[plouie10]

I'll be back to my office this weekend. I already bought that one, but haven't tried it. I'll give it a test and see what I can find.

Thanks so much. Expect a donation shortly for your great efforts.

[Video Dude]

Two questions about using BD-Rebuilder to convert a DVD to BD-R:

1) Some discs (especially TV series) have only closed captions and not a subtitle track. Can BD-RB retain the closed captions during the conversion from DVD to BD-R?

2) If a dvd TV series is imported, is it possible to set a specific file size for each episode? Something like this was possible in DVD-RB with the segment editor.

[jdobbs]

Two questions about using BD-Rebuilder to convert a DVD to BD-R:

1) Some discs (especially TV series) have only closed captions and not a subtitle track. Can BD-RB retain the closed captions during the conversion from DVD to BD-R?

2) If a dvd TV series is imported, is it possible to set a specific file size for each episode? Something like this was possible in DVD-RB with the segment editor.1. Not currently. I didn't give that much thought. It shouldn't be too difficult to do, though.

2. No, not if you are doing a backup to AVCHD or BD. You'd probably only see that when I add it for all BD reencoding. But it's pretty far down on my priority list. You can, though, set a specific size if you are outputting to MKV or MP4.

[Sharc]

I wish to have a (hidden) option "anamorph", means
spline16resize(1440x1080), --sar 4:3 @DAR 16:9

Benefits:
- faster encoding compared to full HD at typically no visible loss of resolution
- good compromise for backups on BD5 and BD9
- no need for frame rate doubling (or pulldown double) as in case of 720p downscaling of 25fps and 29.97fps 1080i sources
- fully blu-ray spec compliant

I could do this manually via the AVS filter and tweak option, but it seems that the --sar 4:3 in the tweak option is not being copied into to the lastcmd.txt

[jdobbs]

I wish to have a (hidden) option "anamorph", means
spline16resize(1440x1080), --sar 4:3 @DAR 16:9

Benefits:
- faster encoding compared to full HD at typically no visible loss of resolution
- good compromise for backups on BD5 and BD9
- no need for frame rate doubling (or pulldown double) as in case of 720p downscaling of 25fps and 29.97fps 1080i sources
- fully blu-ray spec compliant

I could do this manually via the AVS filter and tweak option, but it seems that the --sar 4:3 in the tweak option is not being copied into to the lastcmd.txt
Good idea. I'll add it in the next release.

[A.Fenderson]

Good idea. I'll add it in the next release.

Awesome! I've seen some 1440x1080i anamorphic BDs that looked so good I never would have known they weren't 1920x1080i.

[jdobbs]

Awesome! I've seen some 1440x1080i anamorphic BDs that looked so good I never would have known they weren't 1920x1080i.I doubt seriously that anyone could actually tell the difference.

[Limobar]

Hi,

I'm using the default quality setting (high quality), 2 passes and my own tweak lines for the second pass.

I'm sure I'm not the first to request this, the option to resize bonus material. I'm thinking about giving the option to resize bonus material to 720p, when the resolution of the source is >720p.

Adding this feature would make it much easier for me to decide to keep the bonus material. Think of 1080p bonus material resized to 720p and encoded with a CRF of 22/24. The compression would be awesome and the quality still good enough to watch.

Please, consider my feature request.

[omegaman7]

Resizing extras to 720P would help with the encoding times. But I would prefer a crf of 18 - 20 myself. I don't like it when bad quality sticks out like a sore thumb LOL! I suppose I haven't ran many 22 - 24 Crf jobs though.

[Nico8583]

Hi :)
Do you work on 3D again or have you left this idea ? Thanks !

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs, you well know that the minimum size for M2TS processing is 100MB. (set_min_m2ts) However the thing that's recently begun to bug me (as i start to do more & more blanking), is that this value is not kept during manual blanking (or even automatic blanking). you probably know that certain discs come with "don't copy this disc blablabla" notices by the dozens that are barely a few MB in size. Such sizes probably don't have any impact on final movie quality if left intact. Since that value is not transferred, would it be possible to have this value be applied on blanking too? It would significantly cut back my preview and blank yes/no time.

too explain what i'm after a little more clearly perhaps this will help.

set_min_blank_threshold=n (will set a minimum size requirement before a title gets blanked, in MB).

small introductory video's often range from 5-10 MB to less than 100. This would mean that video titles with a static image (like which is often used in menu's and are usually less than 5MB in size), would no longer be selected by default for blanking. Not on manual and not on auto. With perhaps a potential max value of 100MB this would match the minimum m2ts file size processing requirement (default value) perfectly.


oh and again, something i asked for a while ago. That multi-select and blank/unblanking. So you can (un)blank a range of consecutive titles at once. (like you can select ranges of files in windows with "select 1st, hold shift, select last > select action".

[Sharc]

I found out that when doing a full backup the CRF for the bonus material is 20. I would like to use a higher CRF, because the quality of the bonus material isn't too important to me and I rather give the bits to the movie. I tried to use FIXEDCRF=n, but that didn't do anything to the CRF used for bonus material.
The hidden option is QUICK_CRF=n

[Limobar]

Thank you so much! How could I have missed it?

[jdobbs]

Hi :)
Do you work on 3D again or have you left this idea ? Thanks ! I have it working, but I still have to add the function for adjusting the subtitles (so they are duplicated in SBS mode). It will require that you have already configured DirectshowMVCSource on your computer (following its directions) -- and you simply browse for DirectshowMVCSource.dll when you enable 3D SBS output for the first time.

[Nico8583]

Thanks a lot :)
I'm looking forward to test...

[Nico8583]

For subtitles : have you found a solution or are you searching for ? I had found a solution when I have try to encode 3D SBS...

[jdobbs]

For subtitles : have you found a solution or are you searching for ? I had found a solution when I have try to encode 3D SBS... I already have a subroutine in BD-RB that resizes subtitles (because there are some issues in TSMUXER and also to adjust imported DVDs). I'm just editing it to do the same for 3D.

[Nico8583]

I already have a subroutine in BD-RB that resizes subtitles (because there are some issues in TSMUXER and also to adjust imported DVDs). I'm just editing it to do the same for 3D.
And you make subtitles SBS (or TB) also ? So there are 2 same subtitles, one left and one right ? Or you convert subtitles to 3D ?

[jdobbs]

And you make subtitles SBS (or TB) also ? So there are 2 same subtitles, one left and one right ? Or you convert subtitles to 3D ? You have to make them SBS to match the SBS output, or they will spread across the screen in a mess and make you feel cross-eyed.

It not a big deal to do either flat subtitles of 3d. All you have to do to make them 3d is offset them a little on each of the SBS images (adjusted to what depth you want to make them appear).

[Nico8583]

Ok thanks :)
I hope to see 3D release soon :D

When do you plan to release 3D version approximatively ? ;)

[Nico8583]

I'm looking at Intel Media SDK 2013, there is a free MVC Decoder / Encoder but I don't know what can I do with that...

[stefandee2k]

Hi,
I'm looking for an option for convert only one or some DTS track to AC3, but not all the track.
Sometimes you can fit a disc onto a BD25 just by re-compressing a DTS-HD track to AC3.

I've checked the hidden option and the Faq, but I haven't found anythink about my request.

Thanks

Originally Posted by stefandee2k
Can you insert in future an option that allows this selection ?

Original Posted by jdobbs
I can, but I can't say when.



I renew my request as I think may be useful for other people too.
Thanks

[HWK]

Since BD-rebuilder know support 3D, can we have option to choose full side by side or half side by side. Along with same option for other 3d mode.

[jdobbs]

Since BD-rebuilder know support 3D, can we have option to choose full side by side or half side by side. Along with same option for other 3d mode. Sure. Do you have something that will play full side-by-side, or is this for archiving?

[HWK]

Sure. Do you have something that will play full side-by-side, or is this for archiving?

Yes, I do have a player which can support it. However my main goal is gone be archiving.

Also for all you hard work I donated $ 60 USD.


Jdoobs, on a side note x264 support frame packing parameter which define frame arrangement. I was thinking it may be good idea to add this parameter to 3d output according Lord_Mulder "--frame-packing" option adds the required "frame packing" SEI message to the H.264 stream. And you have to set the packing mode that matches your source. If, e.g., your source uses column alternation (L and R are interlaced by column) then you have to set "--frame-packing 1". Otherwise the decoder/player won't be able to determine how to display the video correctly! If you don't set "--frame-packing" at all, the player/decoder will probably assume that the video is 2D and disable all 3D playback features for that video..." based on light of this do you think it is good idea.

I never tried it, but I guess no harm in trying it.

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement

- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

[Ch3vr0n]

small "request" here. Since the button is already embedded but "inactive". Would it be possible to "activate" the possibility to maximize the BDRB window :) Easier to spot from a distance then (like watching tv & encode in progress) if BDRB is still running or an error happened :)

[thegame]

small "request" here. Since the button is already embedded but "inactive". Would it be possible to "activate" the possibility to maximize the BDRB window :) Easier to spot from a distance then (like watching tv & encode in progress) if BDRB is still running or an error happened :)

Yes this would be great, for exactly the same reasons lol.

Also would be nice to have an option of halting progress before build, this would be great in case someone wants to swap out files.

[jdobbs]

Yes this would be great, for exactly the same reasons lol.

Also would be nice to have an option of halting progress before build, this would be great in case someone wants to swap out files. Just let it finish. Then make your changes, click "Backup" again and say "Ok" to resuming. Since all the encoding is completed it will do the build again with your changes -- and that portion really doesn't take very long.

[jdobbs]

small "request" here. Since the button is already embedded but "inactive". Would it be possible to "activate" the possibility to maximize the BDRB window :) Easier to spot from a distance then (like watching tv & encode in progress) if BDRB is still running or an error happened :) Not sure I understand. So you want the text to be enlarged with you maximize?

[colinhunt]

jdobbs, since BD-RB is able to split a file into multiple parts for encoding, do you think that one day it might be possible to have several PCs in a "render farm" where those multiple parts are encoded by a cluster of PCs all running BD-RB?

I mean, that would be pants-wettingly awesome.

[RobertM]

have several PCs in a "render farm" where those multiple parts are encoded by a cluster of PCs all running BD-RB?

Everything else being equal, that WOULD be neat. But I can't help feeling that it would benefit VERY few users, it would be a huge job for JDobbs, and it would open the door for a whole new batch of bugs. Every developer need to keep an eye out for feature bloat, and that one sounds like 'a bridge too far' to me.

[colinhunt]

Everything else being equal, that WOULD be neat. But I can't help feeling that it would benefit VERY few users, it would be a huge job for JDobbs, and it would open the door for a whole new batch of bugs. Every developer need to keep an eye out for feature bloat, and that one sounds like 'a bridge too far' to me.
To me it feels like the logical next step in making BD-RB faster. And jdobbs has done (what I believe is) the hardest part already, i.e. the splitting and combining of parts. I'm not saying the rest would be easy-peasy, however.

I just love the idea of having 10 PCs crunch a Highest Quality backup out in an hour :)

[Ch3vr0n]

Not sure I understand. So you want the text to be enlarged with you maximize?

that should be done automatically by windows shouldn't it? If not y. so i can read everything from a distance. the progress bar shouldn't be too difficult either.

[Mark_Venture]

I have two requests... I'll try and explain the best I can, but...

1. Can there be an option to specify "output" destination separate from the "working path"

My thought.. When doing Alt-Movie Only to MKV, I get the .INF and .MKV in the working folder. When queuing up a batch, they all get put in that working folder. Can they be automatically put into a folder that matches the output .INF's name? So if I backup 3 discs, Disc_1, Disc_2, and Disc_3, when completed, I see Disc_1, Disc_2 and Disc_3 folders under the working, with the corresponding MKV and INF in them?

2. With MKV_MUXSUPS=1 adding the subtitle files into the MKV file for Alt Movie Only MKV processes, is there a way to also have the subtitle files saved with the INF and MKV separately so they are available for manual processing with a tool like Subtitle Edit (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Subtitle-Edit). This app can "import" bluray SUP files, and OCR to text based .SRT files, even showing only FORCED subtitles.

Request #1 was a thought because it might get messy when doing batch if option 2 is implemented. THen again, if the SUP files are named like the INF would be, I guess request #1 wouldn't be needed

[jdobbs]

that should be done automatically by windows shouldn't it? If not y. so i can read everything from a distance. the progress bar shouldn't be too difficult either.Nope. The dialog would fill the screen, but all the text stays the same size. Try it with any other package. When you set your web browser to maximized while you're reading this, does any of the text change size?

I disagree with "shouldn't be to difficult".

[Ch3vr0n]

well i'd love it if you could add it on the "todo" list. It's not a major "necessity", just something nice to have if ur pc is in the same room as ur tv but on the other side of the room way back :) with the maximize option & enlarged text/progress bar it would be easier to spot if it's still going or has stopped

about the difficult thing, i'm not gonna challenge u on that one ^^ u create it :)

[Groucho2004]

well i'd love it if you could add it on the "todo" list. It's not a major "necessity", just something nice to have if ur pc is in the same room as ur tv but on the other side of the room way back :) with the maximize option & enlarged text/progress bar it would be easier to spot if it's still going or has stopped
You're not a developer so you naturally don't realize the insanity of your request. It would require a complete re-write of the software with custom, non-standard text and window rendering libraries. I don't even know if there is anything like that out there (open source).
One thing you could do if you're too lazy to get up from your couch to check the progress is to set the resolution on your monitor so the dialog fills the screen (640x480 or something) and/or get a bigger monitor.

[Ch3vr0n]

set to 640x480 on a 24" 120Hz full hd 3D monitor? don't think so. Besides such a small resolution wouldn't do anything. I'd just get black bars on the side of the screen (if that resolution would even be supported) and the size of the bdrb app would still be the same.

** edit ** any chance of implementing that other thing i suggested a while back. quick (de)select streams for (un)blanking. Ya know the "click first, hold shift, click last" method that works in windows to quickly select a range of files and do the same action on them using the rightclick context menu.

[omegaman7]

So what's the word on ASS subtitles embedded in an MKV?

MultiAVCHD is having problems with my Episodic MKV's. Bd rebuilder has no problem making a Pseudo folder, but no subtitles. ConvertX doesn't like them either :(

I'm currently running 4406, but I'm updating to 4409 now. I don't suspect it will change though.

[jdobbs]

So what's the word on ASS subtitles embedded in an MKV?

MultiAVCHD is having problems with my Episodic MKV's. Bd rebuilder has no problem making a Pseudo folder, but no subtitles. ConvertX doesn't like them either :(

I'm currently running 4406, but I'm updating to 4409 now. I don't suspect it will change though.I don't think I've ever said I would support ASS subtitles.

[omegaman7]

I don't think I've ever said I would support ASS subtitles.

Ok. So that's your position on it. I'll figure something out. Probably converting them somehow to another format, and remuxing them, and THEN encoding with Bd rebuilder :)

Apparently I found a way to use Multiavchd. There were multiple errors, but the DVD output seemed to play properly in TMT5. Unlike MPCHC. It's just working out those darned Subs.

[jdobbs]

Ok. So that's your position on it. I'll figure something out. Probably converting them somehow to another format, and remuxing them, and THEN encoding with Bd rebuilder :)

Apparently I found a way to use Multiavchd. There were multiple errors, but the DVD output seemed to play properly in TMT5. Unlike MPCHC. It's just working out those darned Subs.Are those subs common? I don't think I've ever actually run into them.

[omegaman7]

I would say they're EXTREMELY rare. So not supporting them in BD rebuilder really isn't surprising ;) I found a way to extract them using Multiavchd. And there's another setting to hardcode them into the video. I believe I found my way :)

[jdobbs]

I would say they're EXTREMELY rare. So not supporting them in BD rebuilder really isn't surprising ;) I found a way to extract them using Multiavchd. And there's another setting to hardcode them into the video. I believe I found my way :)I'd like to find a source that has them, that way I can look at them and do a conversion to SRT (which TSMUXER will accept).

[setarip_old]

Curious name for a subtitle format ;>}

[omegaman7]

Curious name for a subtitle format ;>}

LOL! I thought so too.

Multiavchd succeeded in Hard coding the subs to the video. I think I'll have it build a 22 episode disc to BD-25, and see how BD-RB handles compressing to BD-9. If BD-RB ever has the menu capabilities of Multiavchd, I'll have my one stop encoding program :D Rest assured, I'll be donating to you like crazy JDobbs ;)

The way it's setup setting the subtitles is a bit of a process. I'm surprised the coder hasn't realized this. But I do have an outdated version no doubt :S

[colinhunt]

Compared the encoding settings, as reported by Mediainfo, of encodes using Quality=3 and Quality=4. I could spot only three differences: Q4 has subme=9 instead of 8; lookahead_threads=2 instead of 4 and trellis=2 instead of 1.

As far as I'm concerned, the Ultra High Quality settings could and should be even more extreme.

[Nico8583]

Hi :)
Is it possible to add an option to select resize filter ? 3D SBS uses Bilinear but is Lanczos can be used ? Thanks !

[jdobbs]

Hi :)
Is it possible to add an option to select resize filter ? 3D SBS uses Bilinear but is Lanczos can be used ? Thanks !Bad decision. Lanczos is much better for sizing up, but can cause a poorer picture than Bilinear when downsizing -- which is what you are doing when creating a half-SBS.

[Nico8583]

Have you tried different filters ? Bilinear is also used with 720p 2D downsize ?

[jdobbs]

Have you tried different filters ? Bilinear is also used with 720p 2D downsize ?Yes. I have done extensive testing and also extensive reading. Bilinear is better for downsizing. That is why it is used. Why would I change to a sizing filter that is slower and would give you poorer quality?

[Nico8583]

I've made several tests with several persons . I've also made a side by side frames comparison between several filters. Bilinear is very smooth and more details are lost than Lanczos. But it's my own opinion ;)

[jdobbs]

I've made several tests with several persons . I've also made a side by side frames comparison between several filters. Bilinear is very smooth and more details are lost than Lanczos. But it's my own opinion ;)
You're entitled to your own opinion. I'm entitled to mine as well.

[Nico8583]

No problem, I believed that could be added as an hidden option like 3D format (SBS or O/U or Anaglyph choice) ;)

[jdobbs]

No problem, I believed that could be added as an hidden option like 3D format (SBS or O/U or Anaglyph choice) ;) I could... but I hesitate because the number of those hidden options is becoming a little unmanagable, so I'm trying to limit them.

It's been a while since I did any reading on this subject, so I'll take a look around. I think there are those who would recommend Bicubic over Bilinear for downsizing.

[Edit] Man, I forgot how much controversy there is on this subject. Trying to get anything useful online is ugly. Heck-with-it, I'll just add a hidden option to let you choose.

[Nico8583]

Thanks a lot ! :)

[jdobbs]

Thanks a lot ! :) While I was at it, I also added one to choose the upsizing filter too.

[soneca]

Lanczos is very good, but I prefer spline36 to downsizing. ;):D

[Sharc]

Unless I am totally mistaken BD RB has been using Spline16Resize for 1080->720p downscaling (2D) since quite a while .... :devil:

Edit:
.. and it's a good choice (http://svn.int64.org/viewvc/int64/resamplehq/doc/kernels.html). Much the same as Lanczos2.

[jdobbs]

Unless I am totally mistaken BD RB has been using Spline16Resize for 1080->720p downscaling (2D) since quite a while .... :devil:

Edit:
.. and it's a good choice (http://svn.int64.org/viewvc/int64/resamplehq/doc/kernels.html). Much the same as Lanczos2.Spline16Resize is used for most of the upsizing. It was used for 1080->720p -- but frankly that was an oversight. Now (with this change) it will use whatever is selected for downsizing.

[spotswood]

jdobbs maybe, can you let us compress only 1 audio (like pcm to ac3) and we could keep the dts hd :D ? it could be possible right?You can do that now. Select "Keep HD" from the SETUP page, and then add KEEP_HD_LPCM=0 to your INI file. It will keep all HD except LPCM, and LPCM will be converted to AC3.I've tried this and the LPCM gets converted to 192Kbs. Can you add an option for stereo LPCM conversion at higher bitrates ex. 640Kbs?

I've been trying this with several options on the new Eagles Farewell 1 Blu-ray and have been unsuccessful. What I would like is to extract the core from the DTS-MA track and re-encode the LPCM to 640Kbs. Possible? Thanks for your help/suggestions/advice...

[jdobbs]

I've tried this and the LPCM gets converted to 192kbs. Can you add an option for LPCM conversion at higher bitrates ex. 640kbs and/or allow the DTS-MA core to be extracted while keeping/converting the LPCM?

I've been trying this with several options on the new Eagles Farewell 1 Blu-ray and have been unsuccessful. What I would like is to extract the core from the DTS-MA track and re-encode the LPCM to 640kbs. Possible? Thanks for your help/suggestions/advice...I'm guessing you selected ALTERNATE output? The disposition of the audio output for ALTERNATE is determined by the preset, not SETUP. The audio settings from SETUP apply only to BD backups.

[spotswood]

Not Alternate, Movie & Menus. Here's the log and .ini...

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[06/12/13] BD Rebuilder v0.44.09 (beta)
[21:53:50] Source: THE_EAGLES_-_FAREWELL_1_TOUR_-_L
- Input BD size: 42.27 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:56:55.630]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE and MENUS mode enabled
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [4-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[21:53:52] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:53:52] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 4)
- [21:53:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [22:15:38] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 295,602 frames
- Bitrate: 11,098 Kbs
- [22:15:39] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:53:46] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [05:32:34] Video Encode complete
- [05:32:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [05:33:33] Multiplexing M2TS
- [05:58:18] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 4)
- [05:58:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [05:59:31] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 20,202 frames
- Bitrate: 19,782 Kbs
- [05:59:31] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:06:31] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:38:20] Video Encode complete
- [06:38:20] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [06:38:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:39:59] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
- [06:39:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [06:40:08] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 2,123 frames
- Bitrate: 12,980 Kbs
- [06:40:08] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:40:52] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
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- [06:43:25] Processing audio tracks
- [06:43:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:43:35] Blanking: VID_00003 (4 of 4)
[06:43:35]PHASE ONE complete
[06:43:35]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [06:43:35] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[06:43:36] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
- Computer SHUTDOWN initiated.

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[soneca]

I had this show(the best) on HD-DVD and just today bought this blu-ray. I will test!

[jdobbs]

@spotswood

I think you are using the setting backwards. You should set KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 in the INI file (this is also the default) if you want to keep the LPCM. Setting it to "0" (reread the quote you provided from me) will instruct BD-RB to encode it as AC3 (which is where the 192Kbs comes from). The reason it is 192Kbs is because it is apparently just a stereo track -- either that or you must have "192Kbs, 2ch..." selected in the SETUP dialog.

It's an incredible waste of space to reencode stereo at 640Kbs -- it takes a lot of space and gives you no quality benefit for a stereo source.

[soneca]

The disc(Eagles) is unreadable at the beginning, with visible defect in the polycarbonate layer. I'll change it. :mad:

[spotswood]

@spotswood

I think you are using the setting backwards. You should set KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 in the INI file (this is also the default) if you want to keep the LPCM. Setting it to "0" (reread the quote you provided from me) will instruct BD-RB to encode it as AC3 (which is where the 192Kbs comes from). The reason it is 192Kbs is because it is apparently just a stereo track -- either that or you must have "192Kbs, 2ch..." selected in the SETUP dialog.Setting it to "1" would keep the full LPCM track at 2304Kbps. I was using it correctly set to "0" as I was trying to reduce the size of the stereo LPCM track and extract the core DTS-MA track by unchecking Keep HD Audio, which I was able to do, although the stereo LPCM was reencoded to 192Kbs. I have "192Kbs, 2ch..." unselected in the SETUP dialog.

It's an incredible waste of space to reencode stereo at 640Kbs -- it takes a lot of space and gives you no quality benefit for a stereo source.I know you say that reencoding the stereo LPCM to 640Kbs is a waste of space, but 640Kbs would result in a much smaller file than the full 2304Kbs yes? Is there really no sound quality benefit for stereo at 640Kbs vs. 192Kbs? Just trying to reduce the amount of reencoding on the video side. Is it possible to add a setting for additional bitrate options when reencoding stereo LPCM for those (me) who would like to experiment? Thanks again for your help.

[Limobar]

I would like to have the option to add new encodes to the queue, after I have started the batch encoding.

[omegaman7]

How about loading an external subtitle for the import function/option ;)

[jdobbs]

I would like to have the option to add new encodes to the queue, after I have started the batch encoding. That's reasonable. I'll put it on the list.

[jdobbs]

How about loading an external subtitle for the import function/option ;)I was thinking about doing that... for IMPORT is should be easy enough. I'd like to add the ability for existing BDs as well, but it would only work for movie-only encodes, though - since the selection mechanism is out of my control on a full backup.

[Ch3vr0n]

That's reasonable. I'll put it on the list.

it' be awesome that you would not only be able to add new ones, but that it would actually also process the newly added ones

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... I just thought about it. Adding isn't going to be that easy -- because when it is running you have a job loaded, and you can't modify (load) anything without interrupting that job.

[Ch3vr0n]

true but perhaps you could do it this way. Insert a check after a job is complete to see if there were more jobs added on the list than there were on the start of the encode. If there are, then that's the new startpoint sort of. If there arent then continue as normal. I imagine a queue list check can't be that long inbetween encode jobs.

[RobertM]

true but perhaps you could do it this way.

I think what JDobbs means is that while a job is running you can't load up another one to pick the streams, select settings, etc. You can't do any of that stuff while a job is currently running.

[Ch3vr0n]

good point. Won't be easy to add, thats for sure

[jdobbs]

I think what JDobbs means is that while a job is running you can't load up another one to pick the streams, select settings, etc. You can't do any of that stuff while a job is currently running.Exactly.

[Ch3vr0n]

just helping thinking here but maybe you could add some sort of routine to allow importing and adding to the batch queue, but with an advance notice that settings cannot be altered and that the current configuration settings (the user has set into BDRB) will be automatically applied. So no bells, no whistles but just a simple "load & add" routine. (not trying to imply that the actual implementation of this routine will be anything BUT simple)

just my 2 cents.

[AmigaFuture]

My Strongest Desire is you port this to Mac. Even get a hold of all the Sources for the Tools and ..... Yeah, maybe..... Giggles and Smile! I'm using Mac more and more. I...will...tell you, with a few Preferences adjustments with VMWare Fusion (XP and 7) and owner of Paragon's NTFS for Mac OS X (Snow Leopard and newer), BD-RB functions very well with Lower and Higher Performance systems. Of course it does, though, since it relies on the OS. I thought you might like to know...for fun.

[Nico8583]

Hi,
When I launch BD-RB for the first time, it asks me if I want to let it configure FFDShow. What does it do ?
Thanks !

[Sharc]

Hi,
When I launch BD-RB for the first time, it asks me if I want to let it configure FFDShow. What does it do ?
Thanks !
Well it does exactly what it says: ffdshow has a lot of settings which, unless configured correctly, may cause the video decoding to fail or produce undesired results. This is especially true for VC-1 sources, for example.

[laserfan]

Well it does exactly what it says: ffdshow has a lot of settings which, unless configured correctly, may cause the video decoding to fail or produce undesired results. This is especially true for VC-1 sources, for example.
So the answer is...what? I would assume Nico8583 and anyone else running ffdshow for BD-RB should answer Yes and let BD-RB set it. Izzat right?

[Ch3vr0n]

Yup, you let bdrb configure FFDshow. It should only ask you once, if it keeps asking though you need to rigtclick on the bdrb executable and run it with admin rights to properly configure FFDShow

[jdobbs]

When you say "yes", BD-RB sets the Directshow preferred filter registry keys to properly point to FFDSHOW. If you don't do it you might have multiple issues, including loss of frames and lack of audio/video synchronization. Saying "No" is a bad idea. This is necessary because of Media Foundation changes associated with the release of Windows 7.

Every time BD-RB starts it looks to see if they are correct -- if they are properly configured, it continues on without the prompt. If you are getting the prompt -- they are not.

[laserfan]

Every time BD-RB starts it looks to see if they are correct -- if they are properly configured, it continues on without the prompt. If you are getting the prompt -- they are not.
This answers my next question which was gonna be "why doesn't BD-RB warn you that choosing No would be a bad move". To actually check settings & prompt is better; good deal jdobbs.
:)

[Nico8583]

Thanks !! :)
Another question : this configuration affects only BD-RB or all applications who use FFDShow ?

[Ch3vr0n]

neither. It configures windows settings to properly use FFDshow for certain codecs. BDRB simply checks if the settings in FFDShow are uses it as a frameserver to x264. If windows isn't properly set you can encounter issues.

@jdobbs: a small feature request (hopefully not too difficult to add), a simple line in the logfile when the job is done stating total job completion time

eg: [21:15:38] Job <insert volume label> completed in xx H: xx M: xx S

this would make it easier for me (and probably others to compare for example a dgdec encoding time vs ffdshow ect) but also simply be nice to know how long the job took

[A.Fenderson]

@jdobbs: a small feature request (hopefully not too difficult to add), a simple line in the logfile when the job is done stating total job completion time

eg: [21:15:38] Job <insert volume label> completed in xx H: xx M: xx S

this would make it easier for me (and probably others to compare for example a dgdec encoding time vs ffdshow ect) but also simply be nice to know how long the job took

I'll second that.

[Limobar]

At the moment BD-Rebuilder can pick several playlists from a blu-ray as movie, with the consequence that some are not correctly picked and get the movie treatment. The other way around is also possible.

"Good Will Hunting" (15th anniversary edition) has a movie and among other extras one very long one that's over an hour. This extra gets the movie treatment, using 2 passes and a high bitrate.

I have two feature proposals:

1. I would like to manually decide per playlist whether it should be treated like a movie or as extras.

2. A simpler way to overcome, in most cases, the problem I described is to automatically let BD-Rebuilder decide that the playlist with the longest playback time is the movie and that every other playlist should be considered extras.

I can understand that the second feature proposal gives a problem when the Blu-Ray consists of several episodes. The first feature proposal is for that reason better, but also more complicated. Maybe the first feature can become a setup option.

[jdobbs]

At the moment BD-Rebuilder can pick several playlists from a blu-ray as movie, with the consequence that some are not correctly picked and get the movie treatment. The other way around is also possible.

"Good Will Hunting" (15th anniversary edition) has a movie and among other extras one very long one that's over an hour. This extra gets the movie treatment, using 2 passes and a high bitrate.

I have two feature proposals:

1. I would like to manually decide per playlist whether it should be treated like a movie or as extras.

2. A simpler way to overcome, in most cases, the problem I described is to automatically let BD-Rebuilder decide that the playlist with the longest playback time is the movie and that every other playlist should be considered extras.

I can understand that the second feature proposal gives a problem when the Blu-Ray consists of several episodes. The first feature proposal is for that reason better, but also more complicated. Maybe the first feature can become a setup option.1. You can already pick the playlist. If I "force" a choice to be made -- I'll get hundreds of complaints that it now requires too much manual intervention.

2. BD Rebuilder already does this. It isn't quite as simple as simply choosing the longest -- so BD-RB goes through series of steps to help it identify the most likely candidate. It is correct at least 99% of the time. I think that's as good as it will get.

[Limobar]

1. That's only with movie-only. I would like to see the same list for full backups, having the option to select per playlist whether to treat it like a movie or as extras.

2. I know that BD-Rebuilder takes more into account than just the playing time. Because of that BD-Rebuilder sometimes decides that more than one playlist gets treated as a movie.

With blu-rays that contain episodes that is correct, but when it's a movie blu-ray, this sometimes goes wrong. A way to correct this is an optional simpler check for the playlist with the longest playing time, treating that like a movie and the other playlists like extras.

[laserfan]

In using BD-RB to back-up a couple of <25Gb Blu-rays recently, I noticed that despite that all vids are kept as-is (no reencode) the process still makes .dgi files for each. As I don't believe these are used at all except when re-encoding, it would speed things up to skip this step? At least for the main movie the DGI files take a couple Gb and 7 or 8 minutes to create on my PC.

[jdobbs]

In using BD-RB to back-up a couple of <25Gb Blu-rays recently, I noticed that despite that all vids are kept as-is (no reencode) the process still makes .dgi files for each. As I don't believe these are used at all except when re-encoding, it would speed things up to skip this step? At least for the main movie the DGI files take a couple Gb and 7 or 8 minutes to create on my PC.Not really. The scan for DGI is done at the same time as the video extraction so it doesn't add any time. Also, you don't actually know for sure if the DGI is needed until after the video is extracted and you check its size.

[laserfan]

Not really. The scan for DGI is done at the same time as the video extraction so it doesn't add any time. Also, you don't actually know for sure if the DGI is needed until after the video is extracted and you check its size.
Ah, yes, computers can do multiple things at the same time--still, it's magic to me.

:)

I was trying it on discs where I knew in advance no recoding would be needed, so was interested to see the dgis still.

But now that I've played with it some more, I realize also that I do always want the .dgi file there anyway, in case I choose to add a chapter marker or two before muxing again.

[laserfan]

In the bugs thread I mentioned my interest to have an option for BD-RB "Movie with Menus-Edited" that will First Play the main movie without having to go thru the menu first. Well I played with two discs yesterday, and one was very easy to change (using BDEdit) by selecting in index.bdmv a different First Play Movie number. Bingo. But then the second disc had instead of "Movie" as first play, "Interactive" and I found no easy way to skip directly to the feature. It would seem that every disc would be different from every other disc in how this might be done.

The things we go through to try to avoid all the BD menu/trailer/advert/warning hoops manufacturers put users through! Every step Forward since Laserdisc has been instead a step Backward in user-friendliness IMO. :(

[jdobbs]

In the bugs thread I mentioned my interest to have an option for BD-RB "Movie with Menus-Edited" that will First Play the main movie without having to go thru the menu first. Well I played with two discs yesterday, and one was very easy to change (using BDEdit) by selecting in index.bdmv a different First Play Movie number. Bingo. But then the second disc had instead of "Movie" as first play, "Interactive" and I found no easy way to skip directly to the feature. It would seem that every disc would be different from every other disc in how this might be done.

The things we go through to try to avoid all the BD menu/trailer/advert/warning hoops manufacturers put users through! Every step Forward since Laserdisc has been instead a step Backward in user-friendliness IMO. :( Not to mention the huge number of discs that use BD-J. If you want to keep all the significant content, but start playing immediately with the movie, I would suggest you try "Quick Play" mode. That's exactly why it is there.

[laserfan]

Not to mention the huge number of discs that use BD-J. If you want to keep all the significant content, but start playing immediately with the movie, I would suggest you try "Quick Play" mode. That's exactly why it is there.
I had to look it up (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1617197&highlight=Quick-Play#post1617197)! That one slipped-by me. I suppose the downside is that you might not know what it is that you are looking at (featurettes or deleted scenes or trailers or...) but I understand better now the issues of dealing with the myriad of menu schemes.

Thanks. :)

[laserfan]

My reason for making BD backups is frequently to alter subtitles, to convert to 2.40 (get them on-screen) or remove the "for hard of hearing" items, or other. Sometimes it's as simple as reversing the order of the subs if there are both normal and SDH subs.

I do also like to add chapter marks sometimes, e.g. at the Credits roll which aren't always built-in.

I know I can just let BD-RB do its thing and then alter the .meta file and re-run the mux, but it would be nice if I can avoid the time and disk wear/tear for large BDs to be able to just stop prior to mux time?

[techno1]

Well, I did a search of this thread for "update", and got too many hits. So, if it hasn't been mentioned, can BDRB check for updates upon program start? I always check JDOBBS website before starting BDRB.

[RobertM]

can BDRB check for updates upon program start?

BD-RB doesn't do that. It could, I suppose, if JDobbs wanted it to do so. BD-RB does time-out after a month or so, however, which forces you to get a fresh copy, and keeps everybody relatively up-to-date.

[jdobbs]

BD-RB doesn't do that. It could, I suppose, if JDobbs wanted it to do so. BD-RB does time-out after a month or so, however, which forces you to get a fresh copy, and keeps everybody relatively up-to-date.

I may do that so I can get rid of the timeouts.

[tn jim]

Is it possible to include a second BD drive in the backup process so that we could put the source BD disc in one drive, have it decrypted and read/ripped to the PC HDD, then have BD-RB automatically take over, do it's thing, initiate ImgBurn that would then automagically burn the BD backup disc that is already in the second PC drive.

This would obviously eliminate the step of having to remove the source BD from the single drive and then inserting the backup disc thus

making for a more seamless and slick process.

DVD Shrink can function with a two drive setup like I am suggesting.

Mr.jdobbs,Thank You for all that you do!!!

[RobertM]

I may do that so I can get rid of the timeouts.

I would hope that you would just prompt that an update is available, rather than force an update (like Firefox does). Otherwise we couldn't choose to keep using an older version for troubleshooting purposes.

[meadrocks]

I typically run bd-rb in movie only mode, I set the output size to either dvd-5 or custom dependent on the length of the movie. Then I run mkvmerge on the m2ts file to make a mkv file. However I can't figure out how to get forced subtitles to play in a .mkv file. My test is Get The Gringo.

When I burn a dvd of the dvd-5 , I have to turn on ENG3 subtitles to get forced subs to display. Why don't they display all the time???

I'll test later to see if I can get ENG3 subs in a .mkv file to play the forced subs.

Thanks for your help & rockin software!!!

[Ch3vr0n]

@meatrocks: ya do know bdrb can output directly to mkv itself don't you?

[jdobbs]

I typically run bd-rb in movie only mode, I set the output size to either dvd-5 or custom dependent on the length of the movie. Then I run mkvmerge on the m2ts file to make a mkv file. However I can't figure out how to get forced subtitles to play in a .mkv file. My test is Get The Gringo.

When I burn a dvd of the dvd-5 , I have to turn on ENG3 subtitles to get forced subs to display. Why don't they display all the time???

I'll test later to see if I can get ENG3 subs in a .mkv file to play the forced subs.

Thanks for your help & rockin software!!!
I've been working on forced subtitles. I'll work out a way for including them in MKV in the next release.

[HWK]

@ Jdobbs, I thought this may interest you. tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray (Though still in development)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168539

[jdobbs]

@ Jdobbs, I thought this may interest you. tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray (Though still in development)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168539Thanks.

[HWK]

Originally Posted by Yordan5
jdobbs, It is probably a long shot however, once Roman has released a stable version of TsMuxeR with 3D muxing capabilities, would you consider incorporating this in BD RB?

Originally Posted by Jdobbs
Yes, of course.

The problem is that there currently isn't a freeware MVC encoder of which I'm aware.

If my memory serve correctly there is one which is free and cmd based.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1627007#post1627007

[gonca]

@HWK
Are you thinking of the Nokia encoder?

[HWK]

@HWK
Are you thinking of the Nokia encoder?

No, it is kind of open source.

[Ch3vr0n]

Kind of open source? How is that possible. It either is or it isn't open source. It can't be "half".

[HWK]

It is build on intel media SDK by users. Not sure what to make out of it but I would consider close source since you really can't modify core of program or I am reading it wrong.

[HWK]

Jdobbs, AVCHD 2.0 standard support 3D are you planning to support it. Also it doesn't require mvc encoder for it to work.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/12/avchd.20.spec.now.out.with.new.trademarks/

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, AVCHD 2.0 standard support 3D are you planning to support it. Also it doesn't require mvc encoder for it to work.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/12/avchd.20.spec.now.out.with.new.trademarks/ Yes. But I'll need to do some research as to what I need to change in order to support it.

[Sharc]

Jdobbs, AVCHD 2.0 standard support 3D are you planning to support it. Also it doesn't require mvc encoder for it to work......
Out of curiosity: If AVCHD is not using MVC, is the compression efficiency the same as for Blu-ray MVC i.e. the dependent stream requiring about 50% of the base view? Or are there 2 independent streams of equal size (SBS, O/U, interleaved...)?

[HWK]

Everyone is talking about new standard however at this stage I am not sure how they are creating it.

[jdobbs]

Everyone is talking about new standard however at this stage I am not sure how they are creating it.Other than the statement that it is "finalized" I haven't seen any details. But I haven't really looked that hard...

The important question is: How long will it be before the firmware in the 3D standalone players is updated support it?

[Sharc]

Here some public AVCHD 3D Clips (http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/features/3d/content.html).
Should allow to draw some conclusions on the format.

[HWK]

Here some public AVCHD 3D Clips (http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/features/3d/content.html).
Should allow to draw some conclusions on the format.

Clips are side by side format. Which can accomplish with existing tools out there.

[Sharc]

Clips are side by side format. Which can accomplish with existing tools out there.
What's the advantage then over BD-RB's current SBS blu-ray format? I think the resolution and efficiency (file size) benefit would come with blu-ray MVC format only.....

Edit:
Hmmm... maybe these clips are just "ordinary" 3D examples and do not even follow the AVCHD V2.0 3D Standard?

Edit 2:
This seems to be a better example for AVCHD 2.0 using MVC. (http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30/18187.page#93669)
You can demux with the new tsMuxeR and get the base and the dependent view.

[HWK]

What's the advantage then over BD-RB's current SBS blu-ray format? I think the resolution and efficiency (file size) benefit would come with blu-ray MVC format only.....

Edit:
Hmmm... maybe these clips are just "ordinary" 3D examples and do not even follow the AVCHD V2.0 3D standard?

Good point, may be they don't follow specs.

I was reading article at "http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/07/12/avchd.20.spec.now.out.with.new.trademarks/" about option to do 1080p 50FPS (for PAL) and 60FPS (for NTSC) video specifications as well as 3D video. One possible way to do is use 30fps per eye to achieve 3d effect, even if you don't have access to mvc encoder.

[jdobbs]

Clips are side by side format. Which can accomplish with existing tools out there.I assume you mean BD-RB... and yes, it does.

[jdobbs]

What's the advantage then over BD-RB's current SBS blu-ray format? I think the resolution and efficiency (file size) benefit would come with blu-ray MVC format only.....

Edit:
Hmmm... maybe these clips are just "ordinary" 3D examples and do not even follow the AVCHD V2.0 3D Standard?

Edit 2:
This seems to be a better example for AVCHD 2.0 using MVC. (http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30/18187.page#93669)
You can demux with the new tsMuxeR and get the base and the dependent view. As near as I can tell (from very limited reading) the new AVCHD 2.0 standard just doubles the framerate so you get two views for each picture. Whether it uses MVC, I don't know.

[Sharc]

As near as I can tell (from very limited reading) the new AVCHD 2.0 standard just doubles the framerate so you get two views for each picture. Whether it uses MVC, I don't know.
Possibly yes, but just doubling the framerate would mean 2 streams of (almost) equal file size. The example which I found has a track of 18MB (base view) while the other (dependent) view is 11MB. From this I concluded that MVC is probably an option of AVCHD 2.0 -- which would then require an MVC Encoder....

[jdobbs]

Possibly yes, but just doubling the framerate would mean 2 streams of (almost) equal file size. The example which I found has a track of 18MB (base view) while the other (dependent) view is 11MB. From this I concluded that MVC is probably an option of AVCHD 2.0 -- which would then require an MVC Encoder.... Makes sense.

I really wish they'd add MVC support to X264.

[AmigaFuture]

I would hope that you would just prompt that an update is available, rather than force an update (like Firefox does). Otherwise we couldn't choose to keep using an older version for troubleshooting purposes.

A lot of programs have that happening in the background. I don't like it either. It's silent updating, and there are ways to stop it. Prompting the user is much preferred and then perhaps a download page is displayed. That....I like. The other way is an invasion and removing control fro the user, to me. Maybe a lot of people like auto-pilot...I do not except in the movie Airplane! HAHA!

[HWK]

Possibly yes, but just doubling the framerate would mean 2 streams of (almost) equal file size. The example which I found has a track of 18MB (base view) while the other (dependent) view is 11MB. From this I concluded that MVC is probably an option of AVCHD 2.0 -- which would then require an MVC Encoder....

In that case, it is good to know that it allows both option. However support for mvc in x264 would be welcome addition.

[TheSkipper]

I can't find if this is already an option but, if multiple drives are available, can the output setting to burn to imgburn be used to select which drive has a blank disc?

[jdobbs]

I can't find if this is already an option but, if multiple drives are available, can the output setting to burn to imgburn be used to select which drive has a blank disc?That's not an option, and it would be difficult to implement. But you can choose the drive with:

IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=

Details are in HIDDENOPTS.TXT.

[montana72]

high speed 25 option is correct for blu rays of 25 gigabytes? I always remove extras and just leave the video of the film, so not compress so much although I always use the default high quality option. Are you wasting time?

[jdobbs]

high speed 25 option is correct for blu rays of 25 gigabytes? I always remove extras and just leave the video of the film, so not compress so much although I always use the default high quality option. Are you wasting time?For movie-only you're probably alright, but I personally only use that option if I'm in a hurry. It is better to let BD-RB select the mode (Automatic Quality Settings).

[Sharc]

It is build on intel media SDK by users. Not sure what to make out of it but I would consider close source since you really can't modify core of program or I am reading it wrong.
Indeed it looks like the binary "sample_encode.exe" in the Intel SDK (http://software.intel.com/en-us/vcsource/tools/media-sdk)seems to come closest to a "free available" MVC Encoder for experimenting, now tsMuxerR 3D is within reach....

[Ch3vr0n]

jdobbs, i was wondering if you've made any progress or started looking into that "mass (un)blanking" i asked about a while ago, ya know like you can mass delete files in windows by clicking first + shift > click last file?

[soneca]

Thanks jdobbs for this new version!:)
I have used older revisions of x264 because these new(OpenCL) has given me problems from time to time.

[jdobbs]

Thanks jdobbs for this new version!:)
I have used older revisions of x264 because these new(OpenCL) has given me problems from time to time. It shouldn't. The OpenCL issue was solved a few versions ago.

[soneca]

It shouldn't. The OpenCL issue was solved a few versions ago.

Have not really tested the new revisions, but I had problems with the 2358 version possibly caused by this bug (https://github.com/DarkShikari/x264-devel/commit/9e941d1fabb2de4b15f169057a07dc395307d2ce), which was fixed in revision 2359.

[Ch3vr0n]

requesting a very simple feature (or hidden option). currently BDRB has the power to delete the temporary workfiles for a blu-ray, it does NOT have this power when importing a DVD (to mkv).

my default workfiles folder is C:\Temp (this is where the mkv file will be created)
my dvd import folder is D:\Temp. BDRB creates a folder here called "IMPORT\<moviename>"

my request is that when a job is succesfully done, it removes the <moviename> folder (and if possible the parental IMPORT folder too). Since it can already do this for BD's ,i imagine this routine can be modified perhaps to apply to DVD imports aswell (with maybe a setting in the "setup" like for BD's

[soneca]

requesting a very simple feature (or hidden option). currently BDRB has the power to delete the temporary workfiles for a blu-ray, it does NOT have this power when importing a DVD (to mkv).

my default workfiles folder is C:\Temp (this is where the mkv file will be created)
my dvd import folder is D:\Temp. BDRB creates a folder here called "IMPORT\<moviename>"

my request is that when a job is succesfully done, it removes the <moviename> folder (and if possible the parental IMPORT folder too). Since it can already do this for BD's ,i imagine this routine can be modified perhaps to apply to DVD imports aswell (with maybe a setting in the "setup" like for BD's

Ch3vr0n,

I do not know if you use CCleaner but can clean this and other folders with a single click.

http://s20.postimg.org/7igl4imbx/ccleaner.png

[Ch3vr0n]

Jup, but why use another application when bdrb can already do it itself when the encoding of a bd is done. A "simple" modification to it and it should work for dvd imports too.

[jdobbs]

Jup, but why use another application when bdrb can already do it itself when the encoding of a bd is done. A "simple" modification to it and it should work for dvd imports too.Exactly. No reason in making things more complicated than they have to be. I'll add it in the next release as a hidden option.

[soneca]

Surely, even better!

[Ch3vr0n]

Awesome. I've starting using BDRB for creating movie-only mkv's of DVD's since it van output better quality than cloneDVD mobile can for my new nexus 7 (2013 edition ^^). Watching a pal sized dvd on a full hd screen with clonedvd mobile's output even set at "20" is still pixellated. No such issues with BDRB mkv :). When bdrb will be able to clean the imports folder that'll be the only annoyance i have about dvd imports that'll be gone :)

[ScorpionStingz]

Please, I would like to request a "Pause" button to free up my computer resources if need be temporarily, then pick up right where the BD-Rebuilder left off at. Thank You.

[omegaman7]

Please, I would like to request a "Pause" button to free up my computer resources if need be temporarily, then pick up right where the BD-Rebuilder left off at. Thank You.

People have asked that before. It's not likely to happen, I'm afraid. More trouble than it's worth, I believe. I recall when I had a quad core, I could tell it to only use 3 cores. That way I had potential left for other things. I don't have to worry about it with my six core. It multitasks very well. Sometimes flash content (Facebook games, Youtube) have slight problems, but that is all. Recommend a stronger computer, or an encoding machine.

I'm not a coder, but I imagine if he wanted to do this, in order to minimize the bugs from pausing, the way the encoding is handled would have to be altered. E.g. bookmarking a frame. It wouldn't necessarily stop immediately, it would finish it's current frame, or set of frames.

[jdobbs]

@ScorpionStingz

By default BD-RB runs X264 with the lowest priority (idle). That means that if you want to do something else -- the other project would have a higher priority for CPU time. The only exception would be during extracting and rebuild when the disc is being accessed. But both of those activities together only take minutes...

[k-c-ksum]

Makes sense.

I really wish they'd add MVC support to X264.

fixstars accelcoder x patched x264 for mvc encoding a few years ago, accelcoder x is now owned by pegasys so don't know if its still using a patched x264 version

[HWK]

fixstars accelcoder x patched x264 for mvc encoding a few years ago, accelcoder x is now owned by pegasys so don't know if its still using a patched x264 version

They still use x264 but in consumer product. However for mvc encoding it seems you need turnkey encoding system and there is no mention of x264.

[k-c-ksum]

theres an old thread on this forum but I cant find it,

edit:

here it is

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162651&highlight=accelcoder

[HWK]

That thread is abandoned long time ago and as such I am not sure if we gone see 3d support or not.

[k-c-ksum]

That thread is abandoned long time ago and as such I am not sure if we gone see 3d support or not.


I tried accelcoder x on some 3d cgi and found the quality very good, not bluray compliant but it worked

[HWK]

Where did you download the file.

[k-c-ksum]

Where did you download the file.

I downloaded the beta back in 2011, then started that thread. It would encode the audio to 2.0 so I lost interest in the program

[HWK]

Oh, I see it is one of standalone programs.

[k-c-ksum]

Oh, I see it is one of standalone programs.


it may be possible to be adapted for bdrb, even as a hidden option, fingers crossed

[HWK]

it may be possible to be adapted for bdrb, even as a hidden option, fingers crossed

I have been thinking on this for some time and so far encoder I use can handle mvc which is 100% compatible with blu-ray standard and it can accept xml layout file structure, though without xml extension on file for options which can be used to tell encoder how to encode particular title.

It goes like this create sample file with all setting and save as a batch file, then rename extension to xml to edit setting to reflect for current title and then rename back to original and open file in encoder and it will read update setting and only thing you have to do know is to press start on gui.

This method also works if you queue multiple files provided you output correct location for files, both input and output with setting such as bitrate for each title.

I forgot to mention I use Mainconcept MVC encoder

[HWK]

@Jdobbs, may I request implementation of three steps process for BD-RB. It is identical to DVD-RB pro version.

It goes something like this
1. Prepare assets which must go through encoder
2. Encode assets
3. Rebuild assets to produce final output

[omegaman7]

I can see future benefits for a prepare option. But rebuilding, not so sure. The third option is a bit redundant. We've discussed this before. Essentially, there's no way to save time on the third step. The third step essentially just redirects files. Very little hard drive overhead. Producing an output path, would actually take more time.

[HWK]

I can see future benefits for a prepare option. But rebuilding, not so sure. The third option is a bit redundant. We've discussed this before. Essentially, there's no way to save time on the third step. The third step essentially just redirects files. Very little hard drive overhead. Producing an output path, would actually take more time.

Not really, I like to make changes to encode options which are not shown in bd-rb config and need to edit lastcmd.bat to reflect change. (such as colormatrix, subme and preset very slow this is just few options which are not available in bd-rb)

With regards to last option I would see if I can create 3d output with help of tsmuxer and mvc encoder. The idea is bd-rb prepare all files for encoding and I redirect them to encode with mvc encoder instead of x264 and rebuild with tsmuxer.

I already did movie only and it works quite well. Also tsmuxer will support creation of iso which will also create ssif file inside stream folder and reference them to m2ts and then pack whole disc creation in iso file. Just like original disc with all menu and extras.

[omegaman7]

Ahh, I thought you meant for general purposes. My bad :o

[HWK]

I feel kind of bad as well since I never made my intention very clear. The encoder I use can handle xml file but little hack is required and if jdobbs can change parameter such as bitrate inside sample xml then I can at least make full blu-ray 3D in automated process.

[k-c-ksum]

I feel kind of bad as well since I never made my intention very clear. The encoder I use can handle xml file but little hack is required and if jdobbs can change parameter such as bitrate inside sample xml then I can at least make full blu-ray 3D in automated process.

not everyone has mainconcept encoder though, x264 though, well..... :)

[HWK]

not everyone has mainconcept encoder though, x264 though, well..... :)

I know but I posted in case jdobbs decide to add three steps process to encode blu-ray. Just like in DVD-RB not everyone had Cinema Craft Encoder as well. However those who own it could use it.

It doesn't hurt to ask if possible at all.

[Seajunk]

Is there any way to get mp4box to do its work in the BD-Rebuilder working path rather than $APPDATA\local\temp during mp4 creation?
My OS is on an ssd and i prefer not to write large files there.

[jdobbs]

Is there any way to get mp4box to do its work in the BD-Rebuilder working path rather than $APPDATA\local\temp during mp4 creation?
My OS is on an ssd and i prefer not to write large files there. I'll have to look at it. I haven't looked to see if it's possible, but I have to believe the location of the temporary files can be adjusted somehow.

[Edit] Looks like its as simple as at "-tmp" command line option...

[BZeeme]

I'm slowly converting my BD and DVD collections to movie only .MKVs. It would be nice if BD-RB's boarder changed color when BD-RB has finished processing the movie - then I could tell from across the room that its ready for the next one.

[omegaman7]

I'm slowly converting my BD and DVD collections to movie only .MKVs. It would be nice if BD-RB's boarder changed color when BD-RB has finished processing the movie - then I could tell from across the room that its ready for the next one.

Interesting. Green for ready, Red for problem.

Perhaps down the road, appropriate skins could be made available. I certainly prefer a Black interface :D

[AmigaFuture]

I'm slowly converting my BD and DVD collections to movie only .MKVs. It would be nice if BD-RB's boarder changed color when BD-RB has finished processing the movie - then I could tell from across the room that its ready for the next one.

I dig the border idea. Sometimes "BEEP_SOUNDFILE=s" "s = The full path of a WAV file to be played upon completion of each job." isn't useful. A visual would be a cool implementation. If JDobbs feels like being compliant. Here's a possible idea... A hidden option for MPC to display an image of "BD-RB Done." or something. A lot less complicated that changing the borders of the program, probably? A thought...

I'm doing the same with movies...and some extras.

[BZeeme]

I'm slowly converting hundreds(?) of DVDs and Blu-rays to MKVs for streaming from XMBC to my tv. XMBC will not recognize the MKVs produced by BD-RB (v0.44.17) unless I run them through mkvmerge to add --engage no_cue_duration and --engage no_cue_relative_position

From the "Bug Reports" thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1625776#post1625776
(can't figure out how to make this an actual link)

This change apparently hasn't been implemented (I also checked Hiddenopts.txt). Adding this change would make conversion much easier.

[jdobbs]

I'm slowly converting hundreds(?) of DVDs and Blu-rays to MKVs for streaming from XMBC to my tv. XMBC will not recognize the MKVs produced by BD-RB (v0.44.17) unless I run them through mkvmerge to add --engage no_cue_duration and --engage no_cue_relative_position

From the "Bug Reports" thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1625776#post1625776
(can't figure out how to make this an actual link)

This change apparently hasn't been implemented (I also checked Hiddenopts.txt). Adding this change would make conversion much easier. I don't think that's it. Both of those options are enabled for every MKV created by BD-RB. I'd say the most likely change seen by your running MKVMERGE is the inclusion of the default zlib compression which some players appear to need. You should see that included in the next BD-RB release.

[montana72]

In tv series blurays, do is there any command to order to reencode the extras but not the episodes? I.e. Remove quality to the extras but episodes leave them intact.

[louv68]

August 16th, 2013 - v0.44.16

- Added the ability to import multiple DVDs into a single quick-play structure. In order to do this you must put all the desired DVDs into a single folder -- and then select that folder under the IMPORT function. The name of the folder should describe the DVD set and will be used in the quick-play pseudo menu.

If this could be expanded on to include a simple working menu (allow titles in a order you choose), that would be insanely useful to place numerous TV episodes onto one BD disc. Being able to include a menu background would also be a great added touch.

Thank you very much for all your hard work. Superb program.

[AmigaFuture]

[COLOR="Blue"]If this could be expanded on to include a simple working menu (allow titles in a order you choose), that would be insanely useful to place numerous TV episodes onto one BD disc. Being able to include a menu background would also be a great added touch.

Thank you very much for all your hard work. Superb program.

If you prepare to a directory this way or close to it..you'll get what you desire. When it becomes interactive, you'll be able to choose instead of repeatedly pressing remotes Menu.

01.Star Wars - The Phantom Menace
02.Star Wars - Attack of the Clones
03.Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith
04.Star Wars - A New Hope
05.etc..

The "01.Star Wars - The Phantom Menace" is the renamed directory where it was VIDEO_TS after ripping.

[k-c-ksum]

as tsmuxer now supports 3d muxing, is 3d doable in bdrb? A movie only option would probably be the way to go due to the added space requirments of the dependant view?

[Sharc]

as tsmuxer now supports 3d muxing, is 3d doable in bdrb? A movie only option would probably be the way to go due to the added space requirments of the dependant view?
BD-RB already supports 3D as side-by-side or top-bottom.
Even though tsMuxeR is underway for .iso and Blu-Ray MVC structure, we would still need a free (or affordable) MVC encoder. Any recommendation?

[k-c-ksum]

BD-RB already supports 3D as side-by-side or top-bottom.
Even though tsMuxeR is underway for .iso and Blu-Ray MVC structure, we would still need a free (or affordable) MVC encoder. Any recommendation?

there was a patched x264 build by fixstar a few years ago


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1529465#post1529465

[laserfan]

I've thought for some time now that something was wrong with my BD-RB installation in that when I select it from the Start Menu, often times it seems to hang i.e. does nothing/doesn't launch/no splash screen and I end-up clicking it a few times. After a while I get multiple instances of it on my desktop and I have to close the extras. But then if I quit and re-start immediately it starts just fine. What the...?

Today I had the same startup trouble again, but then I got a pop-up (actually several) that my Beta had expired (I'd been on 44.15). So I suspect my past issues with BD-RB "not launching" were that it was going-onto the 'net to check the revision, and I oft times have ISP issues out here in the extreme country.

Long-winded way of saying...couldn't there be a pop-up on launch that BD-RB is "checking version number" so we know what's going on, or why there might be a long delay. I for one don't care that it does this but maybe jdobbs you don't want people to know?

[jdobbs]

BD-RB doesn't go over the net to check for a new version, it just checks the current date against the expiration date of the beta. I have given thought to implementing that method v.s. the fixed date, though.

Usually if there is a delay in startup it is because one of the referenced drives (location of the exe, working or source folders) is sleeping and the delay is waiting for the drive to be available. Most external drives and many internal drives (depending upon your power settings) shut themselves down after some period of no-use and start up again when the drive is being accessed.

[RobertM]

Usually if there is a delay in startup it is because one of the referenced drives (location of the exe, working or source folders) is sleeping and the delay is waiting for the drive to be available.

Another reason is if the selected disc from the last session takes a long time to scan. I've had a few discs that take quite a while for BD-RB to scan; recently I had one that took about 3 minutes! You just have to wait until the scan is finished and then the GUI pops up.

In an ideal world, BD-RB would include a dialogue that gives the option of cancelling out of the current scan, allowing you to choose a different disc.

[laserfan]

Well, it's NOT that BD-RB is scanning the source disc; that happens after the splash screen. What I am experiencing is that I click on the BD-RB Shortcut in Start menu and there's no reaction--nothing. The Start items still show, and my BD Rebuilder shortcut is highlighted, but it acts like I didn't push the mouse button. But after a long time (10-20, maybe 30 seconds) the Start menu goes away and the BD-RB splash finally occurs and indeed I get more than one of them if I clicked more than once. One other thing I should say about it is that this seems to happen (perhaps) only when I've launched BD-RB for the first time, after a Hibernation or a Reboot. Once it's launched, I can quit and re-launch it all day w/o this strange Start Menu behavior.

RobertM, that a disk scan takes time is something that occurs after the splash screen--I can see that but that's not what I'm experiencing.

Nor do I have the "referenced hard drives are sleeping or spun-down" issue so I will have to noodle this one a bit further. At least I know now that my assumption about "internet" was wrong, thanks for that...

[jdobbs]

Well, it's NOT that BD-RB is scanning the source disc; that happens after the splash screen. What I am experiencing is that I click on the BD-RB Shortcut in Start menu and there's no reaction--nothing. The Start items still show, and my BD Rebuilder shortcut is highlighted, but it acts like I didn't push the mouse button. But after a long time (10-20, maybe 30 seconds) the Start menu goes away and the BD-RB splash finally occurs and indeed I get more than one of them if I clicked more than once. One other thing I should say about it is that this seems to happen (perhaps) only when I've launched BD-RB for the first time, after a Hibernation or a Reboot. Once it's launched, I can quit and re-launch it all day w/o this strange Start Menu behavior.

RobertM, that a disk scan takes time is something that occurs after the splash screen--I can see that but that's not what I'm experiencing.

Nor do I have the "referenced hard drives are sleeping or spun-down" issue so I will have to noodle this one a bit further. At least I know now that my assumption about "internet" was wrong, thanks for that...You're correct. BD-RB puts up the splash screen before it starts to scan the disc. It still sounds like hard drive spin-up to me... let me know what you find.

[omegaman7]

I don't allow any of mine to sleep. Although my USB dock does :S The only slow program I have, is Multiavchd. BD-RB runs perfectly :)

[jdobbs]

I don't allow any of mine to sleep. Although my USB dock does :S The only slow program I have, is Multiavchd. BD-RB runs perfectly :) I never wait for my internal drives, but I have a couple of USB 3.0 external drives and I've found no way to stop them from sleeping. Even with those, though, I've never see a wait of more than maybe 10-15 seconds or so.

[AmigaFuture]

I haven't noticed a way to keep my USB 3.Zero drives repetitious either.
However, I'd like to request MPG be recognized by Import as valid, if you please. :) I could then stop renaming edited TiVo HD files as M2TS. :) May I also request Closed Captioning as SRT? support? :D (Perhaps via CCExtractor?)

[BZeeme]

I would also like to see support for Closed Captioning. Both VidCoder and Handbrake will convert CCs (at least from DVDs) to selectable subtitles in MKVs. The converted CCs often look better then the other subtitles.

[AmigaFuture]

@BZeeme

HandBrake doesn't convert the Closed Captioning to Subtitles...it converts it to SRT. :) Which is very useful most times. CCExtractor allows a bit more fine-tuning. I have noticed change "Input Type" to "Program Streams" instead of "Auto Detect Correct Timing" and CC within TiVo files are complete with SRT output.

Anyway, more SRT support in BD-RB would be appreciated. Including when using BD-RB to convert an MKV (Via BD-RB then MKVGui) to MP4 (M(P)4V)...iPad 2(+), would be...Yeah!!

[lauguru]

I would like to add, an analysis of the structure of the blu-ray, before the first pass, as many bluray 50, leading many extras in MPEG2, and so to start with these and convert to mpg4 before the main movie, since BD25 would enter without encode main movie. thanks

[A.Fenderson]

I think it would be incredibly awesome if BD-Rebuilder were to support deinterlacing of true 1080i content into a 60p format as opposed to merely a 30p format, for retaining high-motion. Something akin to VLC's yadifx2 deinterlacing playback mode. This would be best for scenarios involving going from 1080i to 720p60: you would retain high-motion, but in a more compression-friendly resolution and progressive format, and arguably you wouldn't really lose all that much spatial resolution in the process either. Same applies for PAL 50i/p stuff. Since 720p50/"60" are both totally valid Blu-ray Primary stream types, it seems to make sense to offer this option.

[laserfan]

I'm reasonably certain after playing-around with this today that it is your favorite AV program jdobbs that is at issue here (COMODO Internet Security Suite, probably the Defense+ feature of it).

You and I had an exchange recently where it was causing a problem for my DVD-Rebuilder Pro and I found that by creating an Exclusion for D+ "detect shellcode injections" for it DVD-RB now works fine. But the same is not true of BD-RB and in any case the symptoms are different.

Sorry to have bothered you with this. The launch delay only occurs on the 1st launch of the session for some reason, so I'm just gonna live with it as I really like CIS otherwise.

What I am experiencing is that I click on the BD-RB Shortcut in Start menu and there's no reaction--nothing. The Start items still show, and my BD Rebuilder shortcut is highlighted, but it acts like I didn't push the mouse button. But after a long time (10-20, maybe 30 seconds) the Start menu goes away and the BD-RB splash finally occurs and indeed I get more than one of them if I clicked more than once.

[jdobbs]

I'm reasonably certain after playing-around with this today that it is your favorite AV program jdobbs that is at issue here (COMODO Internet Security Suite, probably the Defense+ feature of it).

You and I had an exchange recently where it was causing a problem for my DVD-Rebuilder Pro and I found that by creating an Exclusion for D+ "detect shellcode injections" for it DVD-RB now works fine. But the same is not true of BD-RB and in any case the symptoms are different.

Sorry to have bothered you with this. The launch delay only occurs on the 1st launch of the session for some reason, so I'm just gonna live with it as I really like CIS otherwise.You know, I was going to suggest looking at your AV software -- but forgot to mention it.

My feelings about COMODO have not changed... ;)

[Sharc]

I think it would be incredibly awesome if BD-Rebuilder were to support deinterlacing of true 1080i content into a 60p format as opposed to merely a 30p format, for retaining high-motion. Something akin to VLC's yadifx2 deinterlacing playback mode. This would be best for scenarios involving going from 1080i to 720p60: you would retain high-motion, but in a more compression-friendly resolution and progressive format, and arguably you wouldn't really lose all that much spatial resolution in the process either. Same applies for PAL 50i/p stuff. Since 720p50/"60" are both totally valid Blu-ray Primary stream types, it seems to make sense to offer this option.
Interesting proposal, e.g. for videocam footage which was typically 1080i 2...3 years ago.
For 1280x720p50 the filesize becomes about 60% of 1920x1080i25 (MBAFF), or 70% compared to 1440x1080i25 at same CRF. Moreover BDRB could use a high quality deinterlacer/bobber for 720p while for 1080i one depends on the quality of the deinterlacer of the playback device.

Perhaps it could be added as one more hidden option to the DEINTERLACER_TYPE = ? :)

[jdobbs]

Interesting proposal, e.g. for videocam footage which was typically 1080i 2...3 years ago.
For 1280x720p50 the filesize becomes about 60% of 1920x1080i25 (MBAFF), or 70% compared to 1440x1080i25 at same CRF. Moreover BDRB could use a high quality deinterlacer/bobber for 720p while for 1080i one depends on the quality of the deinterlacer of the playback device.

Perhaps it could be added as one more hidden option to the DEINTERLACER_TYPE = ? :)The only thing is that you wouldn't really be getting 1280x720 for your output. You are actually getting 1280x540 in true resolution (from each 1920x540 field) that is interpolated into 720. You might also get a 50Hz or 60Hz shimmer from the differences in field interpolation, but that would depend on whether the source was truly encoded at 1080i or was "fake interlaced" (like a lot of TV captures might be).

[A.Fenderson]

True, and I also realized later that you're also not necessarily gaining much (if any) compressibility due to the doubled frame-rate likely negating the benefits from the lower resolution and progressive vs interlaced material, but yadif 2x and other high-quality deinterlacers used to interpolate from 60 fields to 60 frames can produce some very pleasing results with no shimmer that I've noticed in my tests. At the very least, as Sharc mentioned, this could be great for those playback scenarios where a good deinterlacer isn't available in the player, display, or anywhere in that chain (since upconverting from 720p to 1080p is relatively trivial, especially compared to deinterlacing at HD resolutions, and not likely to be mishandled too badly, even in low-end devices).

[Sharc]

True, and I also realized later that you're also not necessarily gaining much (if any) compressibility due to the doubled frame-rate likely negating the benefits from the lower resolution and progressive vs interlaced material, .......
I made some tests with a truly interlaced 1920x1080i25 sample (25 frames, 50 fields per second) which I re-encoded at CRF=22:
a) 1920x1080i25 MBAFF => file size 100% (reference)
b) 1920x1080p25 same rate fielddeinterlace => file size 105%
c) 1440x1080i25 MBAFF => file size 88%
d) 1440x1080p25 same rate fielddeinterlace => file size 87%
e) 1280x 720p50 same rate fielddeinterlace+downscale+frame repetition => file size 50%
f) 1280x 720p50 double rate tdeint (bobber)+downscale => file size 62%

f) versus a) indicates a file size reduction of almost 40%, preserving the temporal resolution of the original
f) versus e) indicates the extra file size for preserving the original temporal resolution
b) versus a) or d) versus c) indicates that there is little difference between interlaced (MBAFF) and deinterlaced/progressive encoding efficiency.

I hope I did everything correctly ...

[A.Fenderson]

f) versus a) indicates a file size reduction of almost 40%, preserving the temporal resolution of the original

Wow, that's more of a reduction than I had thought it might be. And with the temporal resolution of the high-motion rate still intact, I doubt you'd see much of a noticeable reduction in quality during actual playback scenarios.

[Audiophile1178]

Suggestions:

1. In many movies there can be a lot of extras and having to right-click to blank many VID's can be very tedious at times. I recently did a film where I had to blank 50 or more VID's. Would it be possible to enable BDRebuilder to use a keyboard key such as "b" on the keyboard when we have a VID selected in BDRebuilder to blank it therefore making it more efficient/faster to blank VID's?

2. In seamless branching titles, as well as, series disc (TV Shows) it's impossible to use "Quick Encoding on Extras" as BDRebuilder will encode many of the main movie VID's as extras. Would it be possible to enable the user to tell BDRebuilder what VID's are the main movie and what VID's are extras so that way the main movie would get high quality two-pass encoding settings applied to it while the extras would get the QUICK_CRF settings applied to them? It can be a hidden option just like blanking if you want. One method to possibly employ would be to right-click/use key "e" on keyboard on a VID and mark it as an extra and anything that doesn't have the extra flag assigned to it would get marked as main movie or you could employ the opposite and mark which vid's are the main movie and the ones that aren't marked will get labeled as an extra. This would help a lot of us users out tremendously if this feature was available. I can't stress enough how much this feature would help a lot of us out. :)

[laserfan]

Often times my primary reason for making a backup of a BD is to alter the subtitle in some way, so that my somewhat hearing-impaired wife and I can, if desired, switch on the subtitle and both enjoy the movie more. Alterations may include any of these:
1. Changing SDH subs to non-SDH
2. Moving subs into the frame of our 2.40 projection screen
3. Making them smaller/less obtrusive when zoomed to 2.40 size

So I would like to run BD-RB, then pick-and-process a subtitle track separately, and then re-run only the Mux-to-BD portion of BD-RB again. Perhaps there is a way to do this already but if yes I don't know it. :)

[Sharc]

Often times my primary reason for making a backup of a BD is to alter the subtitle in some way, so that my somewhat hearing-impaired wife and I can, if desired, switch on the subtitle and both enjoy the movie more. Alterations may include any of these:
1. Changing SDH subs to non-SDH
2. Moving subs into the frame of our 2.40 projection screen
3. Making them smaller/less obtrusive when zoomed to 2.40 size

So I would like to run BD-RB, then pick-and-process a subtitle track separately, and then re-run only the Mux-to-BD portion of BD-RB again. Perhaps there is a way to do this already but if yes I don't know it. :)
You may want to try:
Right after the file extraction phase, pick the .sup file(s) which you like to modify from the BD-RB WORKFILES folder (let BD-RB continue working!) and make all the alterations with BDSup2Sub, then copy the modified .sup file(s) back to the BD-RB WORKFILES folder under the original *.sup file name and lean back until BD-RB has finished its job.

What may also work (I didn't really try so no promise):
Let BD-RB finalize the original job. Then pick the .sup from WORKFILES, make the changes, copy it back and restart BD-RB. It will ask you if it should resume the (completed) job. Press YES and it will (probably) just redo the muxing/rebuilding.

In any case don't purge the WORKFILES folder.

[laserfan]

You may want to try:
Right after the file extraction phase, pick the .sup file(s) which you like to modify from the BD-RB WORKFILES folder (let BD-RB continue working!) and make all the alterations with BDSup2Sub, then copy the modified .sup file(s) back to the BD-RB WORKFILES folder under the original *.sup file name and lean back until BD-RB has finished its job.

What may also work (I didn't really try so no promise):
Let BD-RB finalize the original job. Then pick the .sup from WORKFILES, make the changes, copy it back and restart BD-RB. It will ask you if it should resume the (completed) job. Press YES and it will (probably) just redo the muxing/rebuilding.

In any case don't purge the WORKFILES folder.

Thanks, I will try those suggestions! :)

[Lathe]

You may want to try:
Right after the file extraction phase, pick the .sup file(s) which you like to modify from the BD-RB WORKFILES folder (let BD-RB continue working!) and make all the alterations with BDSup2Sub, then copy the modified .sup file(s) back to the BD-RB WORKFILES folder under the original *.sup file name and lean back until BD-RB has finished its job.

What may also work (I didn't really try so no promise):
Let BD-RB finalize the original job. Then pick the .sup from WORKFILES, make the changes, copy it back and restart BD-RB. It will ask you if it should resume the (completed) job. Press YES and it will (probably) just redo the muxing/rebuilding.

In any case don't purge the WORKFILES folder.

Clever fix mate!

[Capsbackup]

What may also work (I didn't really try so no promise):
Let BD-RB finalize the original job. Then pick the .sup from WORKFILES, make the changes, copy it back and restart BD-RB. It will ask you if it should resume the (completed) job. Press YES and it will (probably) just redo the muxing/rebuilding.


This does work too, which I have done many times! :)
Also works for audio and video file substitution. :cool:

[laserfan]

This does work too, which I have done many times! :)
Also works for audio and video file substitution. :cool:

Well, duh--I guess this was just too obvious for me! :o

[gonca]

Request
Instead of autocropping the possibility of entering the cropping values manually

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
It looks like the community is getting closer to a free MVC Encoder. videofan3d's FRIMTools and physic's new tsMuxeR are Milestones :cool:.
Something like this (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1652096&postcount=109)could perhaps be considered for adding to BD-RB in future? It's pretty fast and quality is quite good.

[colinhunt]

Feature request:
- in Full Backup mode, the possibility to mark any VIDs as "Do Not Re-encode video".

Usage example:
Title has a total size of 25 gigabytes, i.e. it's approx. 1 gigabyte too large to fit on a BD25 disc. Title contains a 22GB main feature, 1 GB of miscellaneous data and four extras, totalling 2 GB.
By marking the main movie as "Do Not Re-encode video", BD-RB would only re-encode the four extras at low enough bitrates so the whole backup fits on a BD25.

I'm aware this leaves the door open for users who suffer from a deficiency of common sense and would try to make a DVD5 out of a BD50 while asking BD-RB not to re-encode a 40GB main feature. They could perhaps be warned by a pop-up message telling them to "Stop being silly".

[jdobbs]

Feature request:
- in Full Backup mode, the possibility to mark any VIDs as "Do Not Re-encode video".

Usage example:
Title has a total size of 25 gigabytes, i.e. it's approx. 1 gigabyte too large to fit on a BD25 disc. Title contains a 22GB main feature, 1 GB of miscellaneous data and four extras, totalling 2 GB.
By marking the main movie as "Do Not Re-encode video", BD-RB would only re-encode the four extras at low enough bitrates so the whole backup fits on a BD25.

I'm aware this leaves the door open for users who suffer from a deficiency of common sense and would try to make a DVD5 out of a BD50 while asking BD-RB not to re-encode a 40GB main feature. They could perhaps be warned by a pop-up message telling them to "Stop being silly".I'll give it some thought. Unfortunately I implemented something like that on DVD-RB, but people would tell the software not to encode -- and then still blame the program and submit bug reports when the output wouldn't fit. No matter how many warnings you put up, some people just can't add/subtract -- but still post nasty comments and bad reviews because of self-inflicted injuries. I swore to myself I wasn't going to open the door to that nonsense this time...

[jdobbs]

Request
Instead of autocropping the possibility of entering the cropping values manuallyI'll see if I can add that to the next release.

[colinhunt]

I'll give it some thought. Unfortunately I implemented something like that on DVD-RB, but people would tell the software not to encode -- and then still blame the program and submit bug reports when the output wouldn't fit. No matter how many warnings you put up, some people just can't add/subtract -- but still post nasty comments and bad reviews because of self-inflicted injuries. I swore to myself I wasn't going to open the door to that nonsense this time...
I know... but there's never really any way to prepare for stupidity. Dumb will always find a way. However, I would hope that Blu-ray enthusiasts are somewhat brighter in that respect. If not, I'm sure there are lots of BD-RB fans here to educate them... or "educate" them, if you know what I mean.

[gonca]

I'll see if I can add that to the next release.

Thank you

[jdobbs]

Thank youYou know, now that I think of it, if you are familiar with AVISYNTH commands you should be able to do that now using the filter editor and one of the NO_RESIZE presets.

[gonca]

You know, now that I think of it, if you are familiar with AVISYNTH commands you should be able to do that now using the filter editor and one of the NO_RESIZE presets.

I presently use DGIndexNV to get the crop values. Run BD_RB, when The encode starts I abort, modify the CLIP values in the DGI file and resume. This is strictly for the odd time that autocrop is off. Its not a major issue.

[soneca]

I'll see if I can add that to the next release.

This option would be very important, since the autocrop does not work very well with dark movies.:rolleyes:

[omegaman7]

- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
- Source issue found, attempting correction...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[11:39:32]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted.

Perhaps we could be educated about the error it found??? Source issue found, really doesn't tell us much ;)

[montana72]

I think you asked on occasion, there is no way to track single HD of some audio, not delete all or stop all.


Thank you

[Sharc]

Possibility of importing SVCD files (*.mpg, 480x576i)?
Currently BD-RB exits with an error
ERROR: Converting MPG container. Aborted.

[jdobbs]

Possibility of importing SVCD files (*.mpg, 480x576i)?
Currently BD-RB exits with an error
ERROR: Converting MPG container. Aborted.
Hmmm... I'll have to look at it, I would have thought it would work.

[Sharc]

In few cases I have seen that the menu backdrop gets unduly compressed (e.g. CRF 35 in case of 1-pass CRF mode) which creates annoying artefacts and blocks. Therefore my suggestion to compress the menu backdrop with a fix CRF (e.g. default or according to the QUICK_CRF=... in the .ini) instead of reducing it in proportion.

[jdobbs]

In few cases I have seen that the menu backdrop gets unduly compressed (e.g. CRF 35 in case of 1-pass CRF mode) which creates annoying artefacts and blocks. Therefore my suggestion to compress the menu backdrop with a fix CRF (e.g. default or according to the QUICK_CRF=... in the .ini) instead of reducing it in proportion.It is a fixed CRF when it is created... are you talking about when it is backing up (e.g. doing a full backup of an imported structure)?

[HWK]

Jdobbs, just want to give heads up about tsmuxer is capable of handling DTS express track.


Network Optix tsMuxeR 2.4.1(b)

- Add secondary audio support for bluray muxing. Due to standart It is allowed only for DTS-Express and DD+ codecs.
- Filter out H.264 filler packets
- UI improvment: option for MPLS offset can be entered either as time or as 45Khz clock value
- UI improvment: UI displays opened file duration
- UI improvment: chapter list correctly updated if join several files. Also joining for MPLS is enabled.
- Add help if run tsMuxeR without parameters

- Fixed muxing for 96Khz TRUE-HD tracks
- PCM inside VOB was anonced before, but actually did not work. Fixed.
- UI fix: if open MPLS, then close, track list is not cleared. It is broken in previous build only.
- Subtitles renderer fixed (broken in previous build only after in/out effects)

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, just want to give heads up about tsmuxer is capable of handling DTS express track.Thanks. I downloaded it a few minutes ago. I'll do some testing tomorrow.

[HWK]

In the meantime, I asked videofan3d to look about adding I frame for chapters in FrimEncode.

[jdobbs]

In the meantime, I asked videofan3d to look about adding I frame for chapters in FrimEncode.Great. That would be really nice for accurate chapter landings.

[HWK]

Jdobbs, One feature I would like to request is to know once you have selected your settings, what will be a the % video compression to meet your target output size.

Using this info one can decide whether to change your options as an example go with core DTS over DTS-MA if the compression gets too high.

[Sharc]

It is a fixed CRF when it is created... are you talking about when it is backing up (e.g. doing a full backup of an imported structure)?
Regular backup "Movie and Menu only", using 1-pass CRF with prediction.
The menu is encoded with CRF iterations, same as the feature.

[jdobbs]

Regular backup "Movie and Menu only", using 1-pass CRF with prediction.
The menu is encoded with CRF iterations, same as the feature. I see. So you're doing a backup that actually results in a CRF of 35? Ughhh...

[Sharc]

I see. So you're doing a backup that actually results in a CRF of 35? Ughhh...
No. Only the video of the menu gets a CRF of 35. The Feature and Extras get a reasonable CRF around 20 as expected for a BD9. Just wondering why the menu is off the kilter. That's why I sugest to encode the menu at fixed CRF instead of running it through the CRF estimation loop.

[Rich86]

re: Quick Play Menu Title Editor
Would it be possible to include the playlist number for each title in the box listing the titles/checkboxes? That would be a huge help especially for titles that are loaded with phony playlists of equal length (Red 2 & other Summit/Lionsgate blu-ray titles). Also - could someone tell me where I can modify the "Threshold" for this box? I don't see it in the config file, but maybe I'm missing it.

[jdobbs]

re: Quick Play Menu Title Editor
Would it be possible to include the playlist number for each title in the box listing the titles/checkboxes? That would be a huge help especially for titles that are loaded with phony playlists of equal length (Red 2 & other Summit/Lionsgate blu-ray titles). Also - could someone tell me where I can modify the "Threshold" for this box? I don't see it in the config file, but maybe I'm missing it.You'll find it under "Settings/Import/Quick-Play Settings".

[Rich86]

You'll find it under "Settings/Import/Quick-Play Settings".

Got it. Many Thanks!

Another suggestion . . .
Creating a separate sub for forced subtitles works really well - thanks for that.
Would it be possible to set the newly created forced subtitle to "on" when creating a DVD of the title? It would save having to remember to check & then go in with pgcedit to set it on when appropriate. Just an idea . . . thanks again for all your excellent hard work.

[meadrocks]

I make mkv or mp4 files from the movie only output. I tend to set a output size to 2.5 Gig / hour of movie. To get the highest quality of video, should I use 1 pass CBR, 1 pass ABR, or still use 2 pass method? I thought the 2 pass method was mostly to be sure the movie fit on dvd media.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

I make mkv or mp4 files from the movie only output. I tend to set a output size to 2.5 Gig / hour of movie. To get the highest quality of video, should I use 1 pass CBR, 1 pass ABR, or still use 2 pass method? I thought the 2 pass method was mostly to be sure the movie fit on dvd media.

Thanks.If you have a fixed output size in mind -- it is best to do a two pass encode. It will give you the best quality level at a given size.

But... if a fixed quality is what you have in mind, you probably don't want to use size as your metric. Choosing 2.5 Gig/hour doesn't give consistent quality. Compression difficulty can vary greatly between sources. A high action film with complex images and constant scene changes can require much more bandwidth than, for example, a smoothly filmed source consisting of low motion. Animation (even CGI) generally needs less bandwidth also.

A better method for setting a fixed quality level is to use CRF (Constant Rate Factor). You can experiment and choose the quality level that meets your needs -- and let the size be determined by that. A CRF setting of 23 gives you good quality. A setting of 18 is virtually identical to the source. Lower settings raise output size and improves quality, higher settings lower quality and lowers size. You have to be careful, though, settings that are too low can be very wasteful. If you are using a setting below 16 or so you are likely wasting space without really getting much (if any) quality improvement.

Now, with that said, as I mentioned before -- two pass will always give you the best quality at a given size. So if encode time weren't a factor that you care about, the ideal scenario might be to first do a CRF encode to determine what size results from the quality level you want -- and then do a two pass encode with a bitrate that will result in that size (or slightly smaller).

One way you might be able do this is to use CRF as your first pass and create a stats file -- then calculate the required bitrate based on the size and do a second pass. I haven't tested that, though, so I can't confirm whether it works as well as (or better than) a normal two-pass encode.

[musiclover]

When rebuilding a BD you can either keep all HD-audio or convert all HD-audio to AC3. Are you planning to implement a choice in this matter in the near future? So you can for instance convert the HD-audio of one stream to AC3 and keep the HD-audio of the rest of the streams?

[jdobbs]

When rebuilding a BD you can either keep all HD-audio or convert all HD-audio to AC3. Are you planning to implement a choice in this matter in the near future? So you can for instance convert the HD-audio of one stream to AC3 and keep the HD-audio of the rest of the streams?I have no near term plans for that. But I may do it when I have completed higher priority tasks.

There are lot more audio conversion choices than you mention. See this link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1447836#post1447836) for specifics.

[Giljorak]

Would it be possible to get a hidden option to have the ability to use our own alternate.txt file? I have edited the current alternate.txt to better suit my needs and to create a few options that are not in the provided one.

When I download a new version of BD-RB I just remove the alternate.txt from the .zip file and then unzip as usual to my BD-RB program directory.


Thanks for the awesome program.

[meadrocks]

A better method for setting a fixed quality level is to use CRF (Constant Rate Factor). You can experiment and choose the quality level that meets your needs -- and let the size be determined by that. A CRF setting of 23 gives you good quality. A setting of 18 is virtually identical to the source. Lower settings raise output size and improves quality, higher settings lower quality and lowers size. You have to be careful, though, settings that are too low can be very wasteful. If you are using a setting below 16 or so you are likely wasting space without really getting much (if any) quality improvement.



So how do I go about setting the CRF to 20, as I don't really care about file size?

Also I use mkvmerge to make .mkv files. How can I make mp4 files from the .m2ts?

Lastly can I get chapter info in the mkv or mp4 files?

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

So how do I go about setting the CRF to 20, as I don't really care about file size?

Also I use mkvmerge to make .mkv files. How can I make mp4 files from the .m2ts?

Lastly can I get chapter info in the mkv or mp4 files?

Thanks.It's available on the dialog that let's you select the type of MKV output. It defaults to 23 -- just select it (checkbox), change the value to 20 and save.

[jdobbs]

Would it be possible to get a hidden option to have the ability to use our own alternate.txt file? I have edited the current alternate.txt to better suit my needs and to create a few options that are not in the provided one.

When I download a new version of BD-RB I just remove the alternate.txt from the .zip file and then unzip as usual to my BD-RB program directory.


Thanks for the awesome program.I can add that.

[musiclover]

I have no near term plans for that. But I may do it when I have completed higher priority tasks.

There are lot more audio conversion choices than you mention. See this link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1447836#post1447836) for specifics.

I know there are more audio conversion choices. But not the one I need. Convert some HD audio and keep other HD audio streams.

[jdobbs]

I know there are more audio conversion choices. But not the one I need. Convert some HD audio and keep other HD audio streams.As I said, I have no plans for that in the near future. But I'll add it to my list.

[Giljorak]

I can add that.

:thanks:

[meadrocks]

It's available on the dialog that let's you select the type of MKV output. It defaults to 23 -- just select it (checkbox), change the value to 20 and save.

Well I did Pacific Rim @ 20 & it ended up @ almost 9 Gig. So I'm trying it @ 22, will compare the 2 to see if I see any difference. It should be a good test case since its an action movie with lots of fast moving graphics. I picked MP4 container, 1920x1080, auto-aac. I assume that's the highest video quality & its converting the audio to something smaller than True-HD.

[mparade]

If you have a fixed output size in mind -- it is best to do a two pass encode. It will give you the best quality level at a given size.

But... if a fixed quality is what you have in mind, you probably don't want to use size as your metric. Choosing 2.5 Gig/hour doesn't give consistent quality. Compression difficulty can vary greatly between sources. A high action film with complex images and constant scene changes can require much more bandwidth than, for example, a smoothly filmed source consisting of low motion. Animation (even CGI) generally needs less bandwidth also.

A better method for setting a fixed quality level is to use CRF (Constant Rate Factor). You can experiment and choose the quality level that meets your needs -- and let the size be determined by that. A CRF setting of 23 gives you good quality. A setting of 18 is virtually identical to the source. Lower settings raise output size and improves quality, higher settings lower quality and lowers size. You have to be careful, though, settings that are too low can be very wasteful. If you are using a setting below 16 or so you are likely wasting space without really getting much (if any) quality improvement.

Now, with that said, as I mentioned before -- two pass will always give you the best quality at a given size. So if encode time weren't a factor that you care about, the ideal scenario might be to first do a CRF encode to determine what size results from the quality level you want -- and then do a two pass encode with a bitrate that will result in that size (or slightly smaller).

One way you might be able do this is to use CRF as your first pass and create a stats file -- then calculate the required bitrate based on the size and do a second pass. I haven't tested that, though, so I can't confirm whether it works as well as (or better than) a normal two-pass encode.

Could you please help how to achieve your last paragraph in BD-RB? I would like to test it because this is the exact way I would like to process most of my BD-s..

As far as I know the setup would be as follows, please check if
it is correct or missed something:

- use one pass (CRF) encoding from encoder settings;
- use hiddenopts: FIXED_CRF= desired quality, KEEP_MBTREE=1 to use the stats.mbtree for second pass
- run the first pass CRF encode;
- calculate the required bitrate based on the size (so, I type in a custom target size based on the first pass, right?)

It is quite OK for me until this step. But how to "do a second pass" in BD-RB after a one pass (CRF) encode?

Please help with giving some more info. It would be very appreciated.

Thanks!

[mparade]

Does anyone know what is the bearing of SAMPLE_SIZE &
SAMPLE_GROUP hiddenopts? Unfortunately, it is still not clear to me even after reading the changes.txt.

Please help!

Thank you in advance!

[jdobbs]

Could you please help how to achieve your last paragraph in BD-RB? I would like to test it because this is the exact way I would like to process most of my BD-s..

As far as I know the setup would be as follows, please check if
it is correct or missed something:

- use one pass (CRF) encoding from encoder settings;
- use hiddenopts: FIXED_CRF= desired quality, KEEP_MBTREE=1 to use the stats.mbtree for second pass
- run the first pass CRF encode;
- calculate the required bitrate based on the size (so, I type in a custom target size based on the first pass, right?)

It is quite OK for me until this step. But how to "do a second pass" in BD-RB after a one pass (CRF) encode?

Please help with giving some more info. It would be very appreciated.

Thanks!The stats you're keeping aren't the mbtree stats, its the first pass stats. You could probably do it with TWEAKs (TWEAK_PASS_ONE & TWEAK_PASS_TWO) but you'd have to intercept after the first pass is complete.

[mparade]

The stats you're keeping aren't the mbtree stats, its the first pass stats. You could probably do it with TWEAKs (TWEAK_PASS_ONE & TWEAK_PASS_TWO) but you'd have to intercept after the first pass is complete.

Thank you. It seems a little bit complicated to do....

[laserfan]

...you'd have to intercept after the first pass is complete.
I wonder if it might be possible to ask BD-RB to PAUSE at certain points in the process e.g. before re-build, so if I wanted to redo a subtitle track for example I could do it without having to rebuild (multiplex) the disc multiple times.

[HWK]

I wonder if it might be possible to ask BD-RB to PAUSE at certain points in the process e.g. before re-build, so if I wanted to redo a subtitle track for example I could do it without having to rebuild (multiplex) the disc multiple times.

I would like to see that as well. DVD-RB had it and it was very easy for end user to make changes before certain stage kicked in.

[jdobbs]

I would like to see that as well. DVD-RB had it and it was very easy for end user to make changes before certain stage kicked in.I'll look at it. Maybe I'll put a couple hidden options that tells BD-RB to stop at certain points. Restarting will always pick up where it left off.

The biggest complaint I got for DVD-RB was that all the options confused people without a strong video background. So I'm trying to keep the front end as simple as possible and move the more advanced features to hidden options -- although I will likely add a visual interface to access hidden options at some point.

The 3-click option of DVD-RB confused a lot of people.

[HWK]

I'll look at it. Maybe I'll put a couple hidden options that tells BD-RB to stop at certain points. Restarting will always pick up where it left off.

The biggest complaint I got for DVD-RB was that all the options confused people without a strong video background. So I'm trying to keep the front end as simple as possible and move the more advanced features to hidden options -- although I will likely add a visual interface to access hidden options at some point.

The 3-click option of DVD-RB confused a lot of people.

May be Advanced mode in ini file, as you mention in your post. When option is enabled Bd-RB option with all advanced options available. Also add warning about telling user that you are not responsible if something goes wrong should they choose advanced options and screw something. Similar what you have done with x264 tweaks options in hidden setting file.

Another thing I want to bring up is since tsmuxer support DTS express audio, will we see support from your side in coming days?

[jdobbs]

Another thing I want to bring up is since tsmuxer support DTS express audio, will we see support from your side in coming days?Yeah. I've already finished that and tested it.

[HWK]

Yeah. I've already finished that and tested it.

Excellent, this will make lot of people happy and possibly donation pour in.

[jdobbs]

Excellent, this will make lot of people happy and possibly donation pour in.Based on history, I'd say the odds of that are pretty small. ;)

[HWK]

Based on history, I'd say the odds of that are pretty small. ;)

Very true, unfortunately it is reality. Oh well I will donate $ 60, like I always did before or do you want more instead. :p

[update] All done, 60USD sent to you.

[jdobbs]

Very true, unfortunately it is reality. Oh well I will donate $ 60, like I always did before or do you want more instead. :pNo need. You've done you part, especially with all the help and debugging. I appreciate the thought, though.

[HWK]

No need. You've done you part, especially with all the help and debugging. I appreciate the thought, though.

No worries, that is how community works. Anyways consider donation as a holiday present from me.

[jdobbs]

No worries, that is how community works. Anyways consider donation as a holiday present from me.It is very much appreciated. Happy Holidays to you.

Hmmm... now that I think about it -- you mentioned some 3D discs that used unusual subtitling. I need to pick one up for testing. That's how I use the donations. Can you give me the name again, please?

[HWK]

It is very much appreciated. Happy Holidays to you.

Hmmm... now that I think about it -- you mentioned some 3D discs that used unusual subtitling. I need to pick one up for testing. That's how I use the donations. Can you give me the name again, please?

Jdobbs, you have Avatar because this disc has different mechanism of generating 3D subs. I have Panasonic release of this movie, but others should be same as well.

When I was working with Roman on this, we realized there is separate mpls file which control 3D subs. 00854.mpls control stereo subs and 00850 control other parts.

What is even more interesting is if you import 00850 in tsmuxer you won't see stereo subtitle, however everything else will be there. If on other hand Import 00854.mpls you get stereo subtitle which is offset store in mvc file, but no chapters. Everything else is same with regards to video, audio etc. On final note Roman added code if multiple mpls is added which has same assets only one copy is picked and with this I added both mpls and manage to generate working disc image. Know just imagine how one would find out which mpls to parse for info, especially when you can have like 216 mpls which is indeed true for this film.

Something you may find interesting is number of subtitle in base is way more than in mvc view. Mvc stream contain two stream of subs but there are delta for right and left placement which apply to all subtitle in this case.

Jdobbs, this link provide quite insight and yes that includes Avatar as well, may be it will help you as well.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=169817

[Hobojobo]

-- although I will likely add a visual interface to access hidden options at some point.

That would be really great. :)

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, you have Avatar because this disc has different mechanism of generating 3D subs. I have Panasonic release of this movie, but others should be same as well.

When I was working with Roman on this, we realized there is separate mpls file which control 3D subs. 00854.mpls control stereo subs and 00850 control other parts.

What is even more interesting is if you import 00850 in tsmuxer you won't see stereo subtitle, however everything else will be there. If on other hand Import 00854.mpls you get stereo subtitle which is offset store in mvc file, but no chapters. Everything else is same with regards to video, audio etc. On final note Roman added code if multiple mpls is added which has same assets only one copy is picked and with this I added both mpls and manage to generate working disc image. Know just imagine how one would find out which mpls to parse for info, especially when you can have like 216 mpls which is indeed true for this film.

Something you may find interesting is number of subtitle in base is way more than in mvc view. Mvc stream contain two stream of subs but there are delta for right and left placement which apply to all subtitle in this case.

Jdobbs, this link provide quite insight and yes that includes Avatar as well, may be it will help you as well.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=169817I have Avatar 3D in my collection. I'll look at it today.

[mparade]

Suggestions:

1. In many movies there can be a lot of extras and having to right-click to blank many VID's can be very tedious at times. I recently did a film where I had to blank 50 or more VID's. Would it be possible to enable BDRebuilder to use a keyboard key such as "b" on the keyboard when we have a VID selected in BDRebuilder to blank it therefore making it more efficient/faster to blank VID's?

2. In seamless branching titles, as well as, series disc (TV Shows) it's impossible to use "Quick Encoding on Extras" as BDRebuilder will encode many of the main movie VID's as extras. Would it be possible to enable the user to tell BDRebuilder what VID's are the main movie and what VID's are extras so that way the main movie would get high quality two-pass encoding settings applied to it while the extras would get the QUICK_CRF settings applied to them? It can be a hidden option just like blanking if you want. One method to possibly employ would be to right-click/use key "e" on keyboard on a VID and mark it as an extra and anything that doesn't have the extra flag assigned to it would get marked as main movie or you could employ the opposite and mark which vid's are the main movie and the ones that aren't marked will get labeled as an extra. This would help a lot of us users out tremendously if this feature was available. I can't stress enough how much this feature would help a lot of us out. :)

If it is true that "BDRebuilder will encode many of the main movie VID's as extras" in seamless branching titles I completely agree with you as I have also a lot of seamless branching BD-s. Last time, I had to keep for reencoding around 5 GB useless (parts of the main movie in other languages) material because they were siblings to the ones that were actually needed. It would be, I think, a very powerful and useful function to be able to blank any m2ts instead of any playlist in edit mode. It could be avoided to
waste "tons" of hard disk space in such encoding projects with seamless branching and be useful mainly for those who are using that kind of storage device for playing (like me) their materials.

[HWK]

I have Avatar 3D in my collection. I'll look at it today.

Just a quick update, I mux Avatar without stereo stream although it worked but display is messed up in terms of spacing and few other things. It is especially visible when screen goes black in the beginning of movie.

[mparade]

Currently if someone wants to run a CRF encode to determine the size for the quality level to reach and then wants to put this value in Custom Target Size to run a two pass encoding afterwards on the source it is very problematic in case of a combination with blanking a very complex (with a lot of playlists to check for blanking/unblanking) source through edit mode. Each time after doing any modification on the target size all the so far blanked/unblanked choices of playlists are overlooked by BD-RB. So, after blanking/unblanking the playlists required, then run a CRF 1-pass encode on the source, then modifying the Custom Target Size (according to the first CRF pass) for e.g. a two pass encode, all the work done so far for blanking/unblanking the playlists for the first time for the CRF encode has already been lost.
Due to some reason BD-RB rechecks the complete source again (after modifying only the target size) in respect of the mode the user previously set up. I have run into the same „problem” several times. I hope it will be solved in advanced mode in the near future. I really hope I am not the only one who would require that..

[montana72]

a disc bluray with a TV series with three 40-minute episodes each, I get to back up each episode will have a bit rate of about 15 kbps, is enough? never before had tried to compress a TV series because they tend to carry more chapters per disc.

Thank you

[jdobbs]

a disc bluray with a TV series with three 40-minute episodes each, I get to back up each episode will have a bit rate of about 15 kbps, is enough? never before had tried to compress a TV series because they tend to carry more chapters per disc.

Thank youSure. That's plenty. You could go much lower than that in most cases.

[Sharc]

Sure. That's plenty. You could go much lower than that in most cases.
15 kbps is plenty? Should it read 15 Mbps?:confused:

[jdobbs]

15 kbps is plenty? Should it read 15 Mbps?:confused:Whoops. I read it as Mbs... 15Kbs is definitely not enough for video. I also don't understand the "chapters per disc" comment.

[montana72]

Yes, sorry, I meant 15 mbps. I am referring to a bluray that has 3 episodes of 40 minutes in length each, not a movie and leaves each episode at 15 mbps each using me a disc of 25 gigabytes.

[mparade]

If setting up the Custom Target Size in settings/setup, according to my experiences the final
output image file size will be around 10% smaller then the size effectively determined in MB. (Maybe BD-RB cannot estimate it in an exact way under certain conditions, e.g. by full disc custom sized backups above BD-9 target size when one part of a full disc backup is encoded the other one kept intact for menus etc.). It is for sure not a „problem” for those at all who e.g. do not care about making a first pass CRF encode and then a second pass (with some interception after finishing the first pass) based on the file size made by the first pass CRF encode recently which were using the quality level they wanted to achieve, and then want to give that target size (or slightly smaller) for the second pass encode. For those who really care about the final output size (because the playback device is e.g. a hard disk drive) should the custom target size be a bit overestimated for the second pass. It would be great to check what is the reason for this around 10% difference between the expected and the effective output sizes. I am just avoiding this issue by calculating always an extra reserve to the output size expected for the two pass encode after the CRF encoding process.

[Sharc]

If setting up the Custom Target Size in settings/setup, according to my experiences the final
output image file size will be around 10% smaller then the size effectively determined in MB. (Maybe BD-RB cannot estimate it in an exact way under certain conditions, e.g. by full disc custom sized backups above BD-9 target size when one part of a full disc backup is encoded the other one kept intact for menus etc.). It is for sure not a „problem” for those at all who e.g. do not care about making a first pass CRF encode and then a second pass (with some interception after finishing the first pass) based on the file size made by the first pass CRF encode recently which were using the quality level they wanted to achieve, and then want to give that target size (or slightly smaller) for the second pass encode. For those who really care about the final output size (because the playback device is e.g. a hard disk drive) should the custom target size be a bit overestimated for the second pass. It would be great to check what is the reason for this around 10% difference between the expected and the effective output sizes. I am just avoiding this issue by calculating always an extra reserve to the output size expected for the two pass encode after the CRF encoding process.
There is no such complicated procedure like "two pass encode after the CRF encoding process"...:confused:
If you want to hit your target size as precisely as possible, go for a 2-pass encode right from the beginning, and you get the best quality which fits your desired size. It will however never be 100.00% accurate due to inherent limitations.
Or simply select BD-RB defaults (strongly suggested) which automatically selects the most efficient encoding method without compromizing quality. And whatever you do, don't worry about the last few % as you won't see a difference anyway.

[mparade]

There is no such complicated procedure like "two pass encode after the CRF encoding process"...:confused:
If you want to hit your target size as precisely as possible, go for a 2-pass encode right from the beginning, and you get the best quality which fits your desired size. It will however never be 100.00% accurate due to inherent limitations.
Or simply select BD-RB defaults (strongly suggested) which automatically selects the most efficient encoding method without compromizing quality. And whatever you do, don't worry about the last few % as you won't see a difference anyway.

Thanks for your answer. I completely agree with you, but it is not my case. Maybe my requests seem to be so special, sorry for that. (As you know, the user is never satisfied with what is currently available within a product, it is not the problem of BD-RB for sure, just a general statement instead). :)

I do not have a target size in mind in the beginning of making my BD-s, I have a quality to reach with a constant CRF instead, but I have to consider the fact also, that for a given target size a 2-pass encoding always give better results than a CRF encoding. So, due to these quality facts and to other circumstances that my playback device is a hard disk (so I am very sensitive for any space wasting procedures) besides willing to keep HD audio tracks, things has become even more complicated to me, unfortunately. I do not really want to make a 2-pass encode after a CRF encode, it is far from my purposes, but this is what currently available in BD-RB for
the ones with such "special" purposes. My short term aim is to get Mr. Dobbs to include a function in BD-RB which lets the user run a second pass encode after the first pass CRF encode using the first pass stats (through e.g. an interception process calling in advanced mode options) to be able to determine the target size for the quality level which had already been determined by the first pass CRF. I really hope Mr. Dobbs will not consider this function as totally useless one...:)

Anyway thank you for the answer and sorry again, if my request is so special that it seems to be confusing.

[Sharc]

I do not have a target size in mind in the beginning of making my BD-s, I have a quality to reach with a constant CRF instead, but I have to consider the fact also, that for a given target size a 2-pass encoding always give better results than a CRF encoding.

No, not really. For a given file size the difference between 1-pass (CRF) and 2-pass encode is almost Nil (not visible in practice) for x264. Simply speaking, in a regular 2-pass encode the first pass is used to determine the CRF plus optimum I,P and B frames placement which is finally applied in the 2nd pass in order to get the desired file size. So your manual back-and-forth strategy with repeated trial-and-error passes (CRF or 2-pass) is pointless IMO. You cannot fix the Quality in a first CRF pass ("now I go for Quality") and then reduce the file size in a second or third pass ("now I adjust the size") in the hope that the Quality from the first run will not be affected.
If you however prefer the trial-and error CRF mode to obtain a certain file size, you could select 1-pass CRF encoding without specifying a FIXED_CRF= in the config file (.ini). BD-RB then does the cyling through the CRF values automatically in a series of prediction passes such as to approximate your desired file size. But again, you may typically end up in the range 92 ..... 98% of your targeted size - but why care?
Sorry if I still got you wrong ....... maybe someone else chimes in.

[mparade]

No, not really. For a given file size the difference between 1-pass (CRF) and 2-pass encode is almost Nil (not visible in practice) for x264. Simply speaking, in a regular 2-pass encode the first pass is used to determine the CRF plus optimum I,P and B frames placement which is finally applied in the 2nd pass in order to get the desired file size. So your manual back-and-forth strategy with repeated trial-and-error passes (CRF or 2-pass) is pointless IMO. You cannot fix the Quality in a first CRF pass ("now I go for Quality") and then reduce the file size in a second or third pass ("now I adjust the size") in the hope that the Quality from the first run will not be affected.
If you however prefer the trial-and error CRF mode to obtain a certain file size, you could select 1-pass CRF encoding without specifying a FIXED_CRF= in the config file (.ini). BD-RB then does the cyling through the CRF values automatically in a series of prediction passes such as to approximate your desired file size. But again, you may typically end up in the range 92 ..... 98% of your targeted size - but why care?
Sorry if I still got you wrong ....... maybe someone else chimes in.

Sorry, but there is some kind of misunderstanding between us. "So your manual back-and-forth strategy with repeated trial-and-error passes (CRF or 2-pass) is pointless IMO". It would be (also a two-pass encode) not much more time consuming than what you are currently doing through a "normal" two pass encode, yet on the other side you can base the file size (which will be same sized or slightly smaller) which is made during the second pass on the quality level you exactly wanted by setting a desired CRF value for the first pass encode also (or two, one for main videos other for the extras).

"You cannot fix the Quality in a first CRF pass ("now I go for Quality") and then reduce the file size in a second or third pass ("now I adjust the size") in the hope that the Quality from the first run will not be affected."

But I do not want to do anything like this.

"to obtain a certain file size, you could select 1-pass CRF encoding without specifying a FIXED_CRF= in the config file (.ini). BD-RB then does the cyling through the CRF values automatically in a series of prediction passes such as to approximate your desired file size. But again, you may typically end up in the range 92 ..... 98% of your targeted size - but why care?"

But I do not have a certain file size in my mind in the beginning
of the process because I am playing from hard disk. I really do not have a desired file size, so only using FIXED_CRF and QUICK_CRF values can be an answer determined by the required quality level, I think, when size control disappears (however I realised some days ago it is not entirely true either).

The small difference you described is not a problem if it is not even higher effectively as you mentioned. (I have experienced 9-10% always and it is even not the same case). I agree that it would be great if Mr.Dobbs can write his comments and help us out with his knowledge whether the "right direction" is followed at all or not. Still I have not convinced that this strategy is faulty and senseless under such special circumstances I actually have and described.

[jdobbs]

The previous discussion was all theoretical. The point of doing CRF on the first pass is to get to a given quality level (without any prediction and completely ignoring size). You just need to tell X264 to create a stats file. The output size could then determine the bitrate to be use for pass 2. The purpose of a second pass would be to improve on the perceived quality at that give size by redistributing the available bandwidth more efficiently. It won't work if you have target size restrictions because the size was determined by the CRF.

But, as I said before, I've never done any quality tests using that method, so I can't say with any certainty whether you'd see any improvement at all over a lone CRF pass.

[Sharc]

The previous discussion was all theoretical. The point of doing CRF on the first pass is to get to a given quality level (without any prediction and completely ignoring size). You just need to tell X264 to create a stats file. The output size could then determine the bitrate to be use for pass 2. The purpose of a second pass would be to improve on the perceived quality at that give size by redistributing the available bandwidth more efficiently. It won't work if you have target size restrictions because the size was determined by the CRF.

But, as I said before, I've never done any quality tests using that method, so I can't say with any certainty whether you'd see any improvement at all over a lone CRF pass.
Ah yes, quality based 2-pass method without size restrictions.
If I remember correctly such tests have been done during x264 development, and over time the 1-pass CRF algo has been optimized to the point where there was little to none improvement with the second pass.

Edit:
.... and oh yes, this reminds me on the discussions related to "Redistribution" in DVD-RB times :D

[mparade]

The previous discussion was all theoretical. The point of doing CRF on the first pass is to get to a given quality level (without any prediction and completely ignoring size). You just need to tell X264 to create a stats file. The output size could then determine the bitrate to be use for pass 2. The purpose of a second pass would be to improve on the perceived quality at that give size by redistributing the available bandwidth more efficiently. It won't work if you have target size restrictions because the size was determined by the CRF.

But, as I said before, I've never done any quality tests using that method, so I can't say with any certainty whether you'd see any improvement at all over a lone CRF pass.

Thank you for the answer. I think I am going to support those quality tests also in some degree in the very near future..:)

[mparade]

Thank you Sharc, too...:D

[jdobbs]

Thank you for the answer. I think I am going to support those quality tests also in some degree in the very near future..:)If that's the case then I guess it's kinda' like running several passes rather than just 2. It might make you feel better, but it really doesn't accomplish anything.

[mparade]

It that's the case then I guess it's kinda' like running several passes rather than just 2. It might make you feel better, but it really doesn't accomplish anything.

I think we should always stay within the reasonability controlled by your knowledge and experiences...

[jdobbs]

I think we should always stay within the reasonability controlled by your knowledge and experiences... Actually I thought I was answering Sharc in that response, but I clicked on the wrong post. :)

Sharc: If I remember correctly such tests have been done during x264 development, and over time the 1-pass CRF algo has been optimized to the point where there was little to none improvement with the second pass.

Me: If that's the case then I guess it's kinda' like running several passes rather than just 2. It might make you feel better, but it really doesn't accomplish anything.

Apparently I didn't have enough "knowledge and experiences" to do something as simple as click on a correct post... :D

[mparade]

In the latest version of BD-RB (v0.39.01) I have added some undocumented features. I didn't want to make them widely available until there was some more widespread testing (so far I'm the only tester). The new features enable a "Movie and Menus" mode and also the ability to selectively blank playlists.

I expect that there will be a need for some additional tweaking before these features are ready for general consumption, so I ask that anyone who would like to test these features post anything they find in this thread.

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1. In order to enable the new features, use the menu "File/View/Edit Config" and add this line to the config/INI file:

ENABLE_TEST=1

2. The "Movie and Menus" selection will now appear in the MODE menu.

3. Movie and Menus works by blanking any playlist (other than menus) that is less than 20 minutes long. The size of playlists to exclude, however, can be modified by setting a parameter called BLANK_THRESHOLD in the config/INI file. The parameter is set by specifying the threshold size (in seconds). The default is 1200 (20 minutes) so if you added this:

BLANK_THRESHOLD=1800

You would raise the threshold and anything less than 30 minutes would be excluded. A point to remember: The threshold isn't related to an individual M2TS file -- it is associated with PLAYLISTS.

4. Sometimes you might want to select for yourself which things to blank/unblank. You can do that by entering "Edit Mode". You enter edit mode by double-clicking on the title of the current disc (right next to the icon and above the Streams List). I may change the way of doing that later. Edit mode will not work unless you have ENABLE_TEST=1 set.

5. When in edit mode, streams that are selected for blanking will be "grayed out" in the streams display. When not in "Edit Mode" they are not visible.

6. "Edit Mode" can only be entered when using either "Full Backup" or "Movie and Menus" modes -- it will not work on a "Movie-Only" backup (for obvious reasons).

7. Also remember -- when you edit (blank or unblank), you selection works against a PlayList. So blanking/unblanking a single item can result in multiple items (any that are siblings to the selected items in any Playlist. Another point: Items that BD-RB has flagged as menus cannot be blanked (normally they won't even show up on a BD-25 backup, but will on a BD-9 because they have to be reencoded).

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You'll find that by using "Edit Mode" you can get some pretty nice effects. For example, if you select "Full Backup" mode, and then enter edit mode and blank the feature -- you can create a disc that contains only the extras. Combine that with movie-only mode and... you can now create a two disc backup that contains all features of a disc.

You may also find that menus might not be correctly identified 100% of the time... but it's close, and I'm looking for ways to make it more accurate.

Anyway -- please play with it and let me know what you think. Any suggestions for making it more usable will also be appreciated -- but please be reasonable.

Thanks.

I think a function would be great in edit mode through which it would be possible to blank/unblank individual m2ts files rather than the whole playlists in which they are included. The reason for such a demand is coming from experiences. Several times I had to keep „tons” of useless materials in the encoded image files because I was forced by BD-RB to keep the m2ts files in other languages also in those playlists which included the needed m2ts files as well. In my opinion it is wasting hard disk space if the playback device is not an optical one.

A function to tell BD-RB in edit mode which m2ts file has to be considered as extra and which not to be. (Similar more detailed request from Audiophile1178). This would be especially useful for those who want to use e.g. FIX_CRF on main videos and QUICK_CRF on extras besides having a source for seamless branching or extra discs when BD-RB is unable to identify the m2ts files correctly that belong to the extras/main video. (I do not have experiences if BD-RB has problems with identifying an m2ts as main or extra video in an exact way in case of such sources).

I think having both of them would be quite reasonable from at least the user side. They can help to spare a lot of hard disk space in special cases for storage and do a better quality encode by manually identifying the exact type of video source for BD-RB to encode accordingly.

I promise now that I will not have any more feature request for this year. Tomorrow I would like to start compensate the other side..

[Audiophile1178]

If it is true that "BDRebuilder will encode many of the main movie VID's as extras" in seamless branching titles I completely agree with you as I have also a lot of seamless branching BD-s. Last time, I had to keep for reencoding around 5 GB useless (parts of the main movie in other languages) material because they were siblings to the ones that were actually needed. It would be, I think, a very powerful and useful function to be able to blank any m2ts instead of any playlist in edit mode. It could be avoided to
waste "tons" of hard disk space in such encoding projects with seamless branching and be useful mainly for those who are using that kind of storage device for playing (like me) their materials.

Jdobbs, has answered this question in the past and he doesn't want to create the ability for individuals to blank m2ts files that are associated to other playlists as that can obviously cause issues and I agree with him on that subject but I personally don't see any issues with having the ability to tell BDRebuilder on how to encode those m2ts file by marking them as main movie or extras. If you want to mess with m2ts files individually you can modify the playlists to your liking in BDedit as I do to accomplish what you're trying to do and then run it through BDRebuilder.

Every once in a while BDRebuilder won't encode extras as 1-pass crf and will do a 2-pass on a certain extras. I then have to go back and manually encode those parts, as well as, the main title to get the disc exactly as I want it. What's funny is that when this happens BDRebuilder will encode one extra using a crf and another extra that's EXACTLY the same as a 2-pass. This happened to me on a disc that had two of the same opening previews but for different regions. The video was EXACTLY the same but BDRebuilder encoded one of them as 1-pass crf and the other as 2-pass. I didn't understand it's reasoning for doing that as both video files contained the same material.

What I'm currently doing in the meantime with seamless branching titles to get around this issue is to manually blank the Theatrical Cut and merge the Extended Cut into 1 file. I then merge that newly created single m2ts file of the Extended Cut back into the original disc using BDedit. After that I encode in BDRebuilder as I normally do using 1 pass crf for extras and two pass for main movie. The disadvantage to this is that you don't have the theatrical cut of the film on the disc so if you want that you'd have to make another disc with using same method as above but reversed. I have done several discs using this method and it has worked like a charm but having the ability to keep both versions of the film on a disc, as well as, having BDRebuilder encode the main title using 2-pass and extras using 1-pass crf would be most ideal. :)

Regarding series discs, that's another story of its own that's very time consuming. I manually encode each m2ts file and then merge each encoded file back into the original Blu-ray structure. If I had the ability to mark each VID file as an extra or main title that would cut down the processing time drastically. I dread series discs because of this issue as it takes sooo long to do and is easy to make a mistake by not changing something correctly in BDedit. Sometimes on these series discs there are bonus features that are as long or longer than a regular episode and BDRebuilder will do a 2-pass encode on it thinking that it's a main title instead of a 1-pass crf.



I LOVE BDRebuilder and think it's the BEST tool to do Blu-ray encoding but feel as if it's lacking this much needed feature that others would love to have. I know people that avoid encoding series/seamless branching discs because of this missing feature.

[jdobbs]

I agree. This is opening a can of worms (and headaches for me) that I don't want to explore. I already question my decision to create the hidden "ENABLE_TEST" option that allows editing -- and may leave it undocumented forever. It's just too easy to screw the pooch and blame BD-RB. Some people have a tendency to forget that they created a "self inflicted open chest wound" type error, and sometimes conveniently leave out that detail when they post a bug report.

To make it even worse -- sometimes you don't really know what you're removing, as a single M2TS might easily be a part of 30 different playlists, and you end up down a real rabbit hole when you decide to start removing pieces... BD-RB currently follows every individual playlist element, and looks through every reference to it before allowing its removal.

This feature will likely never be on the list. I think that's better handled by BDEDIT, as it requires an understanding of BD structure that is a prerequisite before making this kind of modification.

I want to keep everybody happy, but it also has to be within reason. Sorry.

[Audiophile1178]

I agree. This is opening a can of worms (and headaches for me) that I don't want to explore.

Jdobbs, are you referring to mparade's blanking request or my request to mark VID files as main title or extra to set their proper encoding method?

I love the blanking edit feature as I rarely have come across an issue with it, as long as, one knows what they're doing with it of course.



To make it even worse -- sometimes you don't really know what you're removing, as a single M2TS might easily be a part of 30 different playlists, and you end up down a real rabbit hole when you decide to start removing pieces...

I agree with this statement as I've come across two discs (The Guardian and The Prestige) that actually referenced the main movie for bonus features. I've never come across anything like that before. As those two titles use some weird form of seamless branching, when I made the movie into a single file it screwed up this weird bonus feature. I was able to figure out what it was doing and in the end had to manually calculate (down to the millisecond) exactly what timecode this feature was accessing and input it into BDedit. It worked perfectly fine after that but some people might report it as a bug when it was self inflicted. This is just one example of how modifying one file can have an effect on another without the user initially being aware of it until they go to play back their encode and compare it to the source and see a flaw that they caused themselves but may not realize it.

Regarding BD50 > BD25 encoding, I rarely come across bugs with BDRebuilder other than the request that I put in and there's usually something that I blank on just about every movie that I put through BDRebuilder.

Regarding mparade's blanking m2ts files, I do think it's best to use BDedit to remove an m2ts file as it's easier for an individual to determine how the file is used in the Blu-ray structure than it is for BDRebuilder. The hard part is that the user has to know how to use BDedit. :) I'm fairly knowledgeable in the playlist tab section of BDedit but other than that I'm clueless in any other section. Especially, the BDMV tab!

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, are you referring to mparade's blanking request or my request to mark VID files as main title or extra to set their proper encoding method?

I love the blanking edit feature as I rarely have come across an issue with it, as long as, one knows what they're doing with it of course.

Regarding mparade's blanking m2ts files, I do think it's best to use BDedit to remove an m2ts file as it's easier for an individual to determine how the file is used in the Blu-ray structure than it is for BDRebuilder. The hard part is that the user has to know how to use BDedit. :) I'm fairly knowledgeable in the playlist tab section of BDedit but other than that I'm clueless in any other section. Especially, the BDMV tab!I was talking about blanking at an M2TS level rather than at the Playlist level.

I'm just excited that I got to use "can of worms", "rabbit hole" and "self inflicted open chest wound" all in the same post! :) Too bad I couldn't work "a penny saved is a penny earned" and "waste not want not" into it as well...

[Audiophile1178]

I was talking about blanking at an M2TS level rather than at the Playlist level.

OK, cool! :) I don't want to press the issue too much but I'm curious if my request would be something that you'd consider implementing at some point in time? I know that there would be others that would love to see it implemented as well and if there's hope that one day it'd get implemented than I and those others would be celebrating when that day came.

I'm just excited that I got to use "can of worms", "rabbit hole" and "self inflicted open chest wound" all in the same post! Too bad I couldn't work "a penny saved is a penny earned" and "waste not want not" into it as well...

Don't forget that you used "screw the pooch" as well! :D

[Sharc]

+1 for marking VIDs as Feature (f) or Extra (e), and making this decision editable.
This should not mess up the structure, it may however be a challenge for the sizing? Would all CRF Extras have to be encoded first in order to determine the remaining space for the Feature(s)?
(It's probably already done like this anyway, I guess).

[mparade]

+1 for marking VIDs as Feature (f) or Extra (e)
(although I have already requested this feature in my last letter, too. :D)

[mparade]

I agree. This is opening a can of worms (and headaches for me) that I don't want to explore. I already question my decision to create the hidden "ENABLE_TEST" option that allows editing -- and may leave it undocumented forever. It's just too easy to screw the pooch and blame BD-RB. Some people have a tendency to forget that they created a "self inflicted open chest wound" type error, and sometimes conveniently leave out that detail when they post a bug report.

To make it even worse -- sometimes you don't really know what you're removing, as a single M2TS might easily be a part of 30 different playlists, and you end up down a real rabbit hole when you decide to start removing pieces... BD-RB currently follows every individual playlist element, and looks through every reference to it before allowing its removal.

This feature will likely never be on the list. I think that's better handled by BDEDIT, as it requires an understanding of BD structure that is a prerequisite before making this kind of modification.

I want to keep everybody happy, but it also has to be within reason. Sorry.

You just have overidden a non-reasonable user request by using the "should be stayed within reasonibility controlled by knowledge and experiences" feature of yours......:D

[jdobbs]

Don't forget that you used "screw the pooch" as well! :D Damn! That was a good one too!

[Audiophile1178]

Would all CRF Extras have to be encoded first in order to determine the remaining space for the Feature(s)?
(It's probably already done like this anyway, I guess).


Yes, the CRF would have to be encoded first to make sure that the 2-pass gets the proper sizing. You can already enable this feature in BDRebuilder. When it's enabled it'll rearrange the VID's from smallest to largest in size which will usually leave the main movie at the end but not always. If for some reason you come across a disc that has a bonus feature longer than the main title BDRebuilder will get confused and won't work properly as it'll think that the bonus feature is the main title. As previously discussed, you also can't use those settings on series and seamless branching titles as it'll also get confused and encode the main title/s as crf. As I said before, even on some normal discs it'll encode one extra using crf settings like it's supposed to and then do another extra that's exactly the same using a 2-pass method. Thus the need for this feature.

It wouldn't be a big deal if I just did 2-pass on everything like I used to years ago but once I discovered the crf feature I never want to go back to doing 2-pass on everything. The crf feature is nice as it'll compress all the extras nicely leaving much more space available for the main title. On some discs that have had extras as high as 20GB I've been able to compress them down SIGNIFICANTLY leaving much more space than normal for the main title. Without that feature the main title would've had such a low bitrate that it wouldn't have been worth encoding the disc.


I'm going to assume that Jdobbs silence is a confirmation that it will EVENTUALLY be put in the works. :D As I know that he has his mind on full 3D encoding and other things at the moment.


BTW, I'd imagine that if it ever was a feature that was put in that once you marked everything you'd then have to press a button or something letting BDRebuilder know that you'd done marking your VID's and it would then have to rearrange them (like it does now) in the proper order so that it'd encode all the extras first and then work on the main titles.

[mparade]

I think this feature would also be useful to have in BD-RB to be able to selectively use other encoding methods (or the same but with different setup) not just for the main feature and extras but for the menus too even if the target custom size is >BD-9. (E.g. in case if target size is 13500MB due to willing to keep HD audio tracks and want to use "high CRF-s" for the main movie and the menus but a bit "lower" setup for the extras). In this way, not just those could make use of the encoding capabilities of BD-RB for the menus who have selected a target size below BD-9 capacity.

[brunchto]

Since the beginning, i have some problems with forced subtitles on my players (sidewinderX3 BD ISO/ Oppo103 Mkv).

forced subtitles are mixed with standard subs in the subtitle Stream. so when i Watch a mkv i need to switch all the time to show subs or hide them.

I've find a way to have something more usuable with using bdsup2sub++.

My workflow:

find the good mlps
with tsmuxergui, extract the streams i want to keep (video, french tracks, french subs)
use bdsup2sub++ to make subs tracks with only forced subtitles (load sub, then export only forced)
remux Everything with adding new forced sub tracks

with this, i've just to select the forced only subs at the beginning of the show.

could it be possible to add the generation of forced subtitles as an option?

thanks :)

[jdobbs]

Since the beginning, i have some problems with forced subtitles on my players (sidewinderX3 BD ISO/ Oppo103 Mkv).

forced subtitles are mixed with standard subs in the subtitle Stream. so when i Watch a mkv i need to switch all the time to show subs or hide them.

I've find a way to have something more usuable with using bdsup2sub++.

My workflow:

find the good mlps
with tsmuxergui, extract the streams i want to keep (video, french tracks, french subs)
use bdsup2sub++ to make subs tracks with only forced subtitles (load sub, then export only forced)
remux Everything with adding new forced sub tracks

with this, i've just to select the forced only subs at the beginning of the show.

could it be possible to add the generation of forced subtitles as an option?

thanks :)September 21th, 2013 - v0.44.17
- Added code in movie-only mode that extracts
forced subtitles into an independent stream
and sets them to "selected" for playback.
- Added a new hidden option "FORCED_SUB_LANG"
that allows a user to select which language
is preferred for forced subs. The default
is "eng" -- and it will be also be used when
no forced subtitle is found in the preferred
language.

[brunchto]

September 21th, 2013 - v0.44.17
- Added code in movie-only mode that extracts
forced subtitles into an independent stream
and sets them to "selected" for playback.
- Added a new hidden option "FORCED_SUB_LANG"
that allows a user to select which language
is preferred for forced subs. The default
is "eng" -- and it will be also be used when
no forced subtitle is found in the preferred
language.


Oups :scared:
I think i've tried it before without success. Seems to work fine :D

[omegaman7]

Please forgive me if this has been requested, or already exists. I have the program running now, and am curious. The following is "hypothetical":

3 or more movies are in the IMPORT folder, and are already converted to Pseudo source. I add all of them to the batch queue, for conversion to DVD-5. Let's say number 2 encounters an error. Will it move on to Job #3, and simply report to the user, that #2 failed???

[gonca]

Please forgive me if this has been requested, or already exists. I have the program running now, and am curious. The following is "hypothetical":

3 or more movies are in the IMPORT folder, and are already converted to Pseudo source. I add all of them to the batch queue, for conversion to DVD-5. Let's say number 2 encounters an error. Will it move on to Job #3, and simply report to the user, that #2 failed???

I believe it does it already. The report is in the log file.
It has done it to me on rare occasions. One job fails and it starts the next one.

[omegaman7]

I believe it does it already. The report is in the log file.
It has done it to me on rare occasions. One job fails and it starts the next one.

Nice! I was leaning that way. I figured this would have been implemented early on :)

[laserfan]

Hi jdobbs I was looking at Doctor Zhivago (US) today (with the idea of moving subs into the wide screen), and noticed that it has maybe a "special" menu treatment with some 5 main menu stills-with-audio each of which is about 145MB. The difference between them is simply the printing of Doctor Zhivago in the pretty image w/Julie Christie and Omar Sharif, I would guess because the disc is made for all regions, so depending on your player you would see "IL DOTTOR ZIVAGO" for example. Anyway I noticed these can't be blanked and while they take less than a GB these would have an impact if using a BD-9 I suppose.

I believe if I needed to blank these I could do that after, copying-and-pasting a "blank" m2ts in each's place, but thought I would mention it here in case you have a better idea to e.g. "blank other region menu junk".

[laserfan]

Although there is a HIDDENOPT to show the x264 encoding window, I can't seem to find any way to save x264 logs/progress/results as a text file. Is it there somewhere but I've missed it? If it's not there, could you add it as an option?

[Sharc]

Hmmm... I'll have to look at it, I would have thought it would work.
Did you have a chance to look at it (importing SVCD)?

[laserfan]

I wonder if it might be possible to ask BD-RB to PAUSE at certain points in the process e.g. before re-build, so if I wanted to redo a subtitle track for example I could do it without having to rebuild (multiplex) the disc multiple times.

I'll look at it. Maybe I'll put a couple hidden options that tells BD-RB to stop at certain points. Restarting will always pick up where it left off.

Maybe you will just "start slow" and PAUSE just before the MUX step. Not only because people like to fiddle with subtitles, but I also like to occasionally add --cut-start and --cut-end options, to get rid of obnoxious junk in the actual runtime of the movie.

We watched my BD-RB remake of Mud last night, a remarkable (and very QUIET movie) and LIONSGATE had inexplicably found it necessary to add their "studio logo" to the very beginning which like those awful DTS things just blast you out of your seat. No way to start a home theater experience IMO!!!!

:devil:

But my BD-RB remake of Mud started nice & quiet cuz I trimmed-off not just the LG but all the others too while I was at it. Yeah I know it's easy enough, especially with BD-5/9 movies, to let it mux and then do it again. But it is sort of time-consuming, thus a pain when doing full BD-25 rebuilds.

[Video Dude]

but I also like to occasionally add --cut-start and --cut-end options, to get rid of obnoxious junk in the actual runtime of the movie.


That would be a very useful feature for BD-RB to be able to trim either the start or end of the movie, even if for movie only mode.

Many movies have a copy warning screen, extra studio logos, or authoring house credit screen either at the end or sometimes the beginning. There is no way for BD-RB to detect this, but an option to trim a few seconds off would be great.

[laserfan]

That would be a very useful feature for BD-RB to be able to trim either the start or end of the movie, even if for movie only mode.

Many movies have a copy warning screen, extra studio logos, or authoring house credit screen either at the end or sometimes the beginning. There is no way for BD-RB to detect this, but an option to trim a few seconds off would be great.

But with --cut-start and --cut-end I am trimming the movie itself. In movie-only mode the items you mentioned Video Dude are already stripped-away because they are separate .m2ts files from the main movie. Not what I was referring to.

Sometimes (as I found with "Mud") the movie's built-in up-front studio junk is just obnoxious, and I want to trim even that out from the single .m2ts file. But this is nontrivial to do e.g. it involves indexing the Output .264 file, finding the I-frames, and calculating .ms cut points, and even requires re-doing the first chapter mark. It works and tsmuxer keeps everything in sync but it is somewhat tricky to say the least.

I would not expect (or even request) of jdobbs that he include such capabilities to BD-RB. Just pause the process and I will do it myself.

:)

[Video Dude]

I would not expect (or even request) of jdobbs that he include such capabilities to BD-RB. Just pause the process and I will do it myself.

:)

That's not what I was requesting.

I would do all trim calculations myself (as I do now). I wanted to input the trim as a hidden setting so I don't have to use BDEdit after BD-RB processes the disc. You don't even have to use --cut-start and --cut-end to accomplish this. You can edit the playlist instead.

The only difference between our requests is that you would input the trim value in the middle during the pause, and I would enter the trim value in the beginning.



But with --cut-start and --cut-end I am trimming the movie itself. In movie-only mode the items you mentioned Video Dude are already stripped-away because they are separate .m2ts files from the main movie. Not what I was referring to.

Yes, some movies have the "extra junk" in separate m2ts files and these are not included in the movie only mode. But there are movies that have it appended to the main m2ts. For example, the first Fast and the Furious has a copy warning after the credits. The only way to get rid of it is to trim it (or adjust the playlist in BDEdit).


Anyway, it's really not a big deal. I can do it myself with a little extra work. The only reason I posted a request was because your post was similar to what I wanted to do.

[laserfan]

Yes, some movies have the "extra junk" in separate m2ts files and these are not included in the movie only mode. But there are movies that have it appended to the main m2ts. For example, the first Fast and the Furious has a copy warning after the credits. The only way to get rid of it is to trim it (or adjust the playlist in BDEdit).
OK I believe you, but I have never seen such a disc myself (where a thing as this was not Blank-able using BD-RB).

[Mark_Venture]

September 21th, 2013 - v0.44.17
- Added code in movie-only mode that extracts
forced subtitles into an independent stream
and sets them to "selected" for playback.
- Added a new hidden option "FORCED_SUB_LANG"
that allows a user to select which language
is preferred for forced subs. The default
is "eng" -- and it will be also be used when
no forced subtitle is found in the preferred
language.

Request... since my players wont play subs that are embedded in an MKV file, is there anyway to also leave the forced subs in a file along side the output MKV?

[jdobbs]

Request... since my players wont play subs that are embedded in an MKV file, is there anyway to also leave the forced subs in a file along side the output MKV?They're always in the WORKFILES folder at completion. The selected forced subs will be in a .SUP file that has a 9999 as the PID in the title.

[Mark_Venture]

They're always in the WORKFILES folder at completion. The selected forced subs will be in a .SUP file that has a 9999 as the PID in the title.Unfortunately I usually set a batch up and let it go over night so the workfiles folder gets overwritten.

[Sharc]

Is 3D interleaved (interleaving of 2 independent h.264 streams L/R) compliant with a standard, or does it have to be SBS, O/U or MVC?
If compliant, one could use x264 rather than an mvc encoder -- at the expense of the file size of course -- and it could be added as a setting in BD-RB.
The increase in file size would not be dramatic because the dependent stream of the current Intel MVC encoder is typically still 80% of the base stream.

[HWK]

Is 3D interleaved (interleaving of 2 independent h.264 streams L/R) compliant with a standard, or does it have to be SBS, O/U or MVC?

No, you cannot 3D interleaved with two h.264 file. I asked Roman about this possibility but he said the same thing which I told you.

The increase in file size would not be dramatic because the dependent stream of the current Intel MVC encoder is typically still 80% of the base stream.

This is because Intel encoder need some tweaks, one I use get dependent view anywhere from 40 to 60 percent of original depending on content.

[Sharc]

This is because Intel encoder need some tweaks, one I use get dependent view anywhere from 40 to 60 percent of original depending on content.

Interesting. What does the magic?

Are bits effectively saved, or is it a shift like more bits (higher quality) to the base view and less bits (lower quality) for the dependent view?
If so, it could still make sense as we would get better quality when viewing the 3D with 2D infrastructure.

[mparade]

It would be really great to have such a feature (along with "blank this item" and "preview this item" function)to "mark the VIDS as extra" only if required by the user. It would be really helpful to have this option in such cases when BD-RB cannot distinguish correctly the main movie parts from the extras. (I have a lot of multi angle discs with this "problem" unfortunately and the VIDS in my language relating to the main movie is going to be reencoded as extras with low CRF....)

......and would really appreciate it and going to help your efforts on improvements next week. ;)

Thank you!

[omegaman7]

These features are definitely handy, when generating ones own background image, and wanting everything to look right ;)
MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR=
MENU_TOP=

Have you thought about perhaps the following?: MENU_FROM_RSIDE=/MENU_FROM_LSIDE=

Or perhaps MENU_FONTSIZE=

I'm currently about to run a job that has 16 titles. I'm curious how this will pan out. E.g. an arrow, to go to another page, or will it automatically shrink the font, to a point. ???

[jdobbs]

These features are definitely handy, when generating ones own background image, and wanting everything to look right ;)
MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR=
MENU_TOP=

Have you thought about perhaps the following?: MENU_FROM_RSIDE=/MENU_FROM_LSIDE=

Or perhaps MENU_FONTSIZE=

I'm currently about to run a job that has 16 titles. I'm curious how this will pan out. E.g. an arrow, to go to another page, or will it automatically shrink the font, to a point. ???Nothing changes with 16 titles. At 17 it goes to two columns, at 33 it goes to 3 columns, and at 49 it presents 4 columns. It maxes out at 64 titles. Font size changes at 33 and 49. It never goes to more than one page, but I'll probably add that capability at some future point.

[omegaman7]

sounds good champ :D

[jdobbs]

This is because Intel encoder need some tweaks, one I use get dependent view anywhere from 40 to 60 percent of original depending on content.Would you mind sharing the tweaks are you using? I'm not seeing that kind of efficiency.

[HWK]

Would you mind sharing the tweaks are you using? I'm not seeing that kind of efficiency.

I am using Mainconcept H264/MVC encoder with BD-RB most of the time, as for tweaks I don't see some of the options such as option to choose motion vector search range, hadamard transformation, weight prediction for P frames, on demand I-frame and many more in frim package.

Three biggest one for me is adaptive quantization, ability to change motion vector search range values and configurable GOP structure (I, P, and B frames in different combinations)

However if I use Frim I am having same result as other folks have and most of the time I don't use it. My intent was not to confuse other and my apology if somebody got confused.

[Sharc]

Hmmm... I'll have to look at it, I would have thought it would work.
Not sure if this is a bug or a feature request, but did you have the chance to look at it?

[soneca]

Jdobbs, it would be possible to add an option to extract the core(s) in alternate mode(mkv/mp4)?

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, it would be possible to add an option to extract the core(s) in alternate mode(mkv/mp4)?I don't think I understand. Are you asking for the audio core of the original source to be extracted?

[soneca]

Yes. When the source is a Blu-ray in most titles do not interest me keep track intact (because of the size, and little difference in quality) and the conversion would not be a good idea (loss of quality).

[Wolfe999]

Hi,

Just wanted to know if it would be feasible to add the option to enlarge the window (is that the right word?) of the GUI? At least for me it would be much more comfortable.

Thanx :)

BTW, sent you a PM

[Ch3vr0n]

i have asked that in the past myself. I'd really love that too. Either a fixed enlarge, or scalable (where the scaled size is then remembered for future use ofc)

[Wolfe999]

i have asked that in the past myself. I'd really love that too. Either a fixed enlarge, or scalable (where the scaled size is then remembered for future use ofc)

:yes:

It was too late for me when I posted and didn't think to do a search :)

[jdobbs]

Yeah, but it's a lot of work for something that really doesn't improve the performance or ability of the package. It isn't as simple as you might think.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... I'll have to look at it, I would have thought it would work.Did you have a chance to look at it (importing SVCD)?Unfortunately I don't seem to have any of my old SVCD discs laying around (I found a couple empty cases, but that's it) -- and it's so old I've pretty much forgotten the format.

[Sharc]

Unfortunately I don't seem to have any of my old SVCD discs laying around (I found a couple empty cases, but that's it) -- and it's so old I've pretty much forgotten the format.
Yeah, once upon a time ....
Anyway, I think I am getting close:
- tsMuxeR demuxes the .mpg source and produces .mpv (mpeg2 video) and .mpa (mpeg version1 layer 2 audio) elementary streams.
- BD-RB imports the video and subsequently encodes correctly to 720x576i, adds 2x8 pixel borders left and right .... perfect! The only missing point is the automatic conversion of the .mpa audio to .ac3 which I have to do manually. Easy enough though.
I plan to put a couple of these legacy SVCDs on a BD9 with BD-RB's quick menu feature which comes very handy. :)

Edit:
So, basically all I have to do is:
- demux with tsMuxeR
- transcode the .mpa audio to .ac3
- remux .mpv and .ac3 streams to .m2ts with tsMuxeR
- Import the .m2ts with DB-RB and encode.

Edit2:
Method works, and playback on standalone with quick menu is perfect. My SVCD archiving problem is solved :)

[soneca]

I don't think I understand. Are you asking for the audio core of the original source to be extracted?

Please consider this option, it is essential for the alternate mode. :)

[Wolfe999]

Yeah, but it's a lot of work for something that really doesn't improve the performance or ability of the package. It isn't as simple as you might think.

My lack of knowlegge made me think the contrary, that it wouldn't be difficult to implement it. So, if you see that it won't be worth your while the effort and time it would involve, please, forget the request. If not, just put it at the end of your list and it would be much appreciated whenever you decide to do it.

Thanx :)

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, it would be possible to add an option to extract the core(s) in alternate mode(mkv/mp4)?I just checked and you should be able to do this now. If you choose an ALTERNATE output option that keeps the original audio intact (atype = 2), it will just keep the core if you have "Keep HD Audio..." unchecked in the SETUP dialog.

[soneca]

That's right, it worked! :)
I assume that the extraction(down-to-ac3) also happens with tracks Dolby TrueHD, containing the core embedded AC-3.
Thank you!

[jdobbs]

That's right, it worked! :)
I assume that the extraction(down-to-ac3) also happens with tracks Dolby TrueHD, containing the core embedded AC-3.
Thank you!Yes, it works with Dolby TrueHD as well.

[Sharc]

For 16:9 conversion of imported 4:3 files (e.g. from legacy SVCD PAL sources) BD-RB creates the script:

#Created by BD Rebuilder - v0.46.11 (beta)
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files VIDEO\DGdecNV\DGDecodeNV.dll")
DGSource("C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\VID_00002.DGI", fieldop=0).Lanczosresize(704,576).AddBorders(8,0,8,0)SeparateFields()
Spline16Resize(720,288,0,36,720,216)
Weave()
ConvertToYV12().AssumeFPS(25000,1000)
This gives correct results when the source PAR is "generic".
However, when the source PAR follows ITU-T (or mpeg4 which is nearly the same) I believe the horizontal resizing should be:
DGSource("C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\VID_00002.DGI", fieldop=0).Lanczosresize(720,576) in order to avoid the 2.4% AR error.

Is there an easy way to change this (optional)? It seems that changing the script manually does not help as BD-RB overwrites it again.
Or should I simply delete the '?????v.adj' file in the workfolder? Even if this should work, I would have to delete it for every new file in the batch and resume the encoding.

[jdobbs]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure what the input size is. It's been a while since I worked with SVCD. Is 480x576 it's original size? That would make me believe that part is correct. SVCD uses MPEG-2, right? Since it has apparently been sensed as an interlaced source you also need to resize the fields individually, so you can't do "Lanczosresize(720,576). So there is definitely something amiss in that AVS.

Also, I notice there is a "." missing before "SeparateFields()" -- is that an edit error in the post?

If you want to change it -- you would have to do so in the PSEUDO folder of the source before encoding. The AVS and ?????v.adj" get created just before the encode.

[Sharc]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the imported source is 704x576, right?
The source is 480x576 with a PAR of 1.638176638 (SVCD)
It is mpeg-2, encoded as interlaced (content is often progressive though, same as for many DVD).
The first resize -- lanczosresize(....) -- in the script is for horizontal resizing only, so I thought this is ok for interlaced material and the field separation is only requireded for the vertical resizing, no?


Also, I notice there is a "." missing before "SeparateFields()" -- is that an edit error in the post?.
Yes, the error is in the post only, sorry.

If you want to change it -- you would have to do so in the PSEUDO folder of the source before encoding.
OK, I will try. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Sorry, I kept editing my post as I thought about it. I'll need to add a special case to my import algorithm to handle SVCD 480x576/480. I need to look around and review the SVCD specs,

[Sharc]

Sorry, I kept editing my post as I thought about it. I'll need to add a special case to my import algorithm to handle SVCD 480x576/480. I need to look around and review the SVCD specs,
I assume the import of legacy SVCD is a very special use case of low general interest. So don't waste much time with this.
I found the Pinfo.inf file which I can modify. If the horizontal resizing can be done on interlaced material without field separation (?) we could actually leave the script as is.

[jdobbs]

You could use this for interlaced:

.separatefields().lanczosresize(720,288).weave()

I'd hesitate to use a straight resize on an interlaced source because of the time differential between the two fields.

[Sharc]

Yes. This should be on the safe side. Thanks.

[montana72]

Do doubt, bit rate it is possible that a video already present pixelization and failures? How much isn't it?

[gonca]

Any thoughts on HEVC support on ALTERNAT OUTPUT?

[jdobbs]

Any thoughts on HEVC support on ALTERNAT OUTPUT?I'll have to check and see how x265 is coming along -- I haven't looked at it in a while.

[gonca]

No rush, just thought I'd ask since BD_RB is becoming the Swiss army knife of video enconding, and does it all extremely well.
Just remember that this weekend is for the family, and thank you for your prompt reply.

[jdobbs]

No rush, just thought I'd ask since BD_RB is becoming the Swiss army knife of video enconding, and does it all extremely well.
Just remember that this weekend is for the family, and thank you for your prompt reply. What are you using for HEVC playback?

[HWK]

Speaking of HEVC, I already mux one with tsmuxer when Roman added support for it and it works. If I am not mistaken mkvmerge might not work by default, or at least I haven't seen.

As for playback MPC-HC can play without issue. I am using version 1.7.1 to play it.

[jdobbs]

Speaking of HEVC, I already mux one with tsmuxer when Roman added support for it and it works. If I am not mistaken mkvmerge might not work by default, or at least I haven't seen.Interesting. I didn't know TSMUXER supported HEVC.

[gonca]

What are you using for HEVC playback?

I use JRiver Media Center, but any player with LAV to handle video should play it.

MKVToolnix can't handle it in the present version. Probably will in the next release. Presently it requires a hacked version of toolnix which is not ideal, shall we say, because of the hack. It is referred to as Rovis toolnix

[HWK]

I use JRiver Media Center, but any player with LAV to handle video should play it.

MKVToolnix can't handle it in the present version. Probably will in the next release. Presently it requires a hacked version of toolnix which is not ideal, shall we say, because of the hack. It is referred to as Rovis toolnix

That is why suggested jdobbs for time being use tsmuxer, until more muxer make to market.

[gonca]

@HWK
Well put and good suggestion

[HWK]

BTW: did anyone try encoding with x.265 so far. I did and it is slow without question, however quality is quite good.

[gonca]

BTW: did anyone try encoding with x.265 so far. I did and it is slow without question, however quality is quite good.

Found it to be 3 to 4x slower than x264 but quality is good

[Sharc]

Would it make sense to add an option for HW deinterlacing for users of DGDecodeNV? Could this perhaps be added to the DEINTERLACER_TYPE=x options?

[jdobbs]

Would it make sense to add an option for HW deinterlacing for users of DGDecodeNV? Could this perhaps be added to the DEINTERLACER_TYPE=x options?Yeah, I should be able to do that.

[DoctorM]

Silly request, but it would be nice if the "Browse for Folder" boxes had a line to type (or paste) the location as well. It beats having to click through directories.

[Ch3vr0n]

agree with that one. Being able to type in the source and working folder location would be nice

[jdobbs]

Those dialog boxes are created by Windows system calls. There are only a few minor changes you can make to them.

[omegaman7]

Silly request, but it would be nice if the "Browse for Folder" boxes had a line to type (or paste) the location as well. It beats having to click through directories.

So essentially, you want import video file, and browse for folder, to behave the same way.

[DoctorM]

So essentially, you want import video file, and browse for folder, to behave the same way.

Exactly.

[Ch3vr0n]

i'm not. Im talking about the white rectangle next to the [browse] button. It would be nice if that one was typeable. Ya know like the address bar in windows explorer when you click in it you can manually type in a folder location

[DoctorM]

i'm not. Im talking about the white rectangle next to the [browse] button. It would be nice if that one was typeable. Ya know like the address bar in windows explorer when you click in it you can manually type in a folder location

You're right, that would be fine as well. And probably easier to program.

[Ch3vr0n]

jdobbs: a new feature request popped into my head as a result of the 3D rebuild option. Since this is only possible in w7 but my main os is vista i was wondering if it would be possible to add another option to the file menu. Currently it's only possible to shutdown after a rebuild, but i would love it if you could add the option to REBOOT after a rebuild. Since i'm dual booting vista & w7 with vista flagged as the primairy OS to boot i could then run a 3D rebuild job in w7, set bdrb to reboot and go to bed only to wake up after to see the system rebooted into vista and ready to go :) Hopefully that shouldn't be too hard to add. i still hope to see the source path and working path's "editable" so we can simply type in the path. This would be even more handy now with my dual boot.

On vista (main os) the temp path is C:\Temp (HD with most available space) and the w7 is installed on the D:\ drive and the program also sits on that C:\ drive, on w7 i have created a shortcut pointed it to the BDRB program sitting on that drive. However on w7 those drive letters swap arround C:\ become D:\ and reverse. So when i launch the program it sees the bdrb ini files and reads the working path as C:\Temp. However since the drives have swapped letters (bdrb doesn't know that) technically its D:\Temp (drive has alot less free space). So i have to manually either edit the ini file (either through the file menu or browsing to D:\Temp which is technically C:\Temp), it would be a whole lot simpler if i could just click inside that "Working path box" and Change it from C:\Temp to D:\Temp.

** edit ** i hope you would also reconsider the hidden part of the "Output Path" option and make it available the same way source/working path is now

[lauguru]

Interesting. I didn't know TSMUXER supported HEVC.

hello jdobbs
any news for the codec support in bdrebuilder h265/HEVC?

very interesting it would be to pass the BD50 to BD25 without losing quality

[jdobbs]

hello jdobbs
any news for the codec support in bdrebuilder h265/HEVC?

very interesting it would be to pass the BD50 to BD25 without losing qualityThat's very low on my priority list.

Moving from BD50 to BD25 is already done with no loss of quality that I can detect using x264. The problem with X265 is that the BD standard doesn't support it. So what good is a perfect disc that can't be played?

[lauguru]

That's very low on my priority list.

Moving from BD50 to BD25 is already done with no loss of quality that I can detect using x264. The problem with X265 is that the BD standard doesn't support it. So what good is a perfect disc that can't be played?

hello
time to time, with the new 4k and desktop devices to come, they should play with codecs and 4K bd h264/h265 those discs will now be played perfectly safe. It would be interesting to add that extra bdrebuilder. the price difference between BD50 and BD25 discs, is substantial.
Powerdvd13 suport H265 codec on ​​a PC, there is only connected to the tv and ready :)

[Ch3vr0n]

There currently is no reason to support x265. Bdrb produces output fully compliant with the bd standard aand that standard currently does not allow x265. The fact that pdvd supports it is irrelevant.

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[DoctorM]

There currently is no reason to support x265. Bdrb produces output fully compliant with the bd standard aand that standard currently does not allow x265. The fact that pdvd supports it is irrelevant.

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It's not even standard for anything else yet either. Seems a waste of time to code.

I'd rather have the ability to disable buttons in menus (for blanked/removed content)... but that seems unlikely.

[DoctorM]

I thought of a good feature that would be nice. How about a disc size counter while working on the streams tab.

That is, after loading a disc, it shows the full size with the number is in red if it doesn't fit on a BD25.

As you select files or tracks to strip it counts down and turns green if the current selections can fit without re-encoding the video. If 'keep HD audio' isn't checked, an estimate of that space saved would be subtracted as well.

It's nice to have a good idea how much compression we're looking at while deciding what to keep and what to strip.

[omegaman7]

I thought of a good feature that would be nice. How about a disc size counter while working on the streams tab.

That is, after loading a disc, it shows the full size with the number is in red if it doesn't fit on a BD25.

As you select files or tracks to strip it counts down and turns green if the current selections can fit without re-encoding the video. If 'keep HD audio' isn't checked, an estimate of that space saved would be subtracted as well.

It's nice to have a good idea how much compression we're looking at while deciding what to keep and what to strip.
Sort of like how Dvd Rebuilder would show you, when in "Video Segment viewer/editor".

[DoctorM]

Also, I guess a request, but maybe a hidden feature.
Is there a way to re-encode bonus features only and leave the movie untouched?

I know you can steal space from the extras, but sometimes stealing just from the extras is all you need/want.

Something like a MAX_M2TS_SIZE and MAX_PLAYLIST_MINS could do this.

[HWK]

jdobbs: a new feature request popped into my head as a result of the 3D rebuild option. Since this is only possible in w7 but my main os is vista i was wondering if it would be possible to add another option to the file menu. Currently it's only possible to shutdown after a rebuild, but i would love it if you could add the option to REBOOT after a rebuild. Since i'm dual booting vista & w7 with vista flagged as the primairy OS to boot i could then run a 3D rebuild job in w7, set bdrb to reboot and go to bed only to wake up after to see the system rebooted into vista and ready to go :) Hopefully that shouldn't be too hard to add. i still hope to see the source path and working path's "editable" so we can simply type in the path. This would be even more handy now with my dual boot.

On vista (main os) the temp path is C:\Temp (HD with most available space) and the w7 is installed on the D:\ drive and the program also sits on that C:\ drive, on w7 i have created a shortcut pointed it to the BDRB program sitting on that drive. However on w7 those drive letters swap arround C:\ become D:\ and reverse. So when i launch the program it sees the bdrb ini files and reads the working path as C:\Temp. However since the drives have swapped letters (bdrb doesn't know that) technically its D:\Temp (drive has alot less free space). So i have to manually either edit the ini file (either through the file menu or browsing to D:\Temp which is technically C:\Temp), it would be a whole lot simpler if i could just click inside that "Working path box" and Change it from C:\Temp to D:\Temp.

** edit ** i hope you would also reconsider the hidden part of the "Output Path" option and make it available the same way source/working path is now

I would say add option to execute external program or batch file would be better. Ch3vr0n you can always write command in batch to do restart.

Not to mention it can be used by other users as well.

[Ch3vr0n]

No i can't. Wouldn't know how to, and why would i want/need to. If. Bdrb can tell windows to shutdown via a simple check next to an option then telling it to reboot should be possible too without having yo rely on external factors to do it. Not to mention that it is probably harder to tell bdrb to launch an external program than it is to make that reboot setting

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[musiclover]

The following batchfile will do the trick:

%windir%\System32\shutdown.exe /r /t 000

[Ch3vr0n]

Perhaps but as I said, why rely on an external file when bdrb can do it itself. If it can shutdown, it should be easy to add a reboot option. I don't like to execute other programs through another program.

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[DoctorM]

It'd probably be complicated, but it'd be nice to be able to do a full disc rebuild but strip whatever the BD equivalent of angles is. I guess alternate playlists.

E.g. Frozen has 4 playlists for the film and shuffles which m2ts files it plays for segments that need region localization. As a result there is a 4.8gb overhead for additional m2ts segments you might never need or want. Currently BDRB links all of these so you can't individually disable them.

The bonus feature 'Get A Horse' does the same thing for another couple hundred megabytes.

I guess it would have to be some sort of method of selecting a playlist to blank, but only blanking associated .m2ts files that aren't called by unblanked playlists.

Either that or an advanced feature that can enables a context option to unlink m2ts files that are linked so you can manually blank pieces hoping you don't mess it up too badly.

The latter one is probably easier to code.

[jdobbs]

It'd probably be complicated, but it'd be nice to be able to do a full disc rebuild but strip whatever the BD equivalent of angles is. I guess alternate playlists.

E.g. Frozen has 4 playlists for the film and shuffles which m2ts files it plays for segments that need region localization. As a result there is a 4.8gb overhead for additional m2ts segments you might never need or want. Currently BDRB links all of these so you can't individually disable them.

The bonus feature 'Get A Horse' does the same thing for another couple hundred megabytes.

I guess it would have to be some sort of method of selecting a playlist to blank, but only blanking associated .m2ts files that aren't called by unblanked playlists.

Either that or an advanced feature that can enables a context option to unlink m2ts files that are linked so you can manually blank pieces hoping you don't mess it up too badly.

The latter one is probably easier to code.There are two ways that regional playback is done. In one of them alternate playlists are used and segments are replaced depending on language selected. The other is true angles. In that one the MPLS lists all playitems, and for each playitem it is possible to have a list of alternate angle playitems that change (usually based upon language, but it could be for other reasons). Disney films use these a lot.

The first method would be difficult, because there is really no flag that says those playlists are any different than another (other than the fact that they share some of their content). The second is pretty straightforward. You would just replace each of the angle references with the same M2TS/CLPI pair that represented the selected angle (the one you want to keep).

You can tell which method is used by looking at alternate playlists under the movie-only mode. Playlists are all listed individually, and angles are broken out.

[DoctorM]

I understood 70% of that, jdobbs. It is apparent that Frozen has separate playlists for each language and separate M2TS segments for the non-English bits.

Would unlinking M2TS files cause real problems? In the case of a film like this it would save space, but some discs have bonus features that are linked by 'Play All'.
I would assume simply blanking an m2ts from a linked list like that, if encountered would just cause a brief hesitation as the BD player navigates to the next thing.

I've seen a few other instances thus far it would be nice to do. Maybe a hidden features that allows unlinking, but still with a warning?

I can't say I understand the other method. It sounds a bit like DVD seamless branching.

[DoctorM]

First, there should probably be a warning or greying out of Full 'Back Up' when an AVCHD disc type is selected.

I'd also like to see Quick Play get an overhaul:

1) The Quick-Play Menu isn't tied to enabled/disabled clips. As a result, you can blank a stream that's on the Quick-Play menu and conversely delete a menu entry for a clip that is still put on the final disc.

2) This mode should work by playlist, not m2ts. That is selection shouldn't be from a list of streams, but like a multi-"Other Movie Only Playlist" list.

With the current method a video broken across multiple m2ts files (e.g. for multiple languages) will appear multiple times on the Quick-Play menu (one for each version/language). The video must be kept or blanked in its entirety. You can remove the menu entry for the versions you don't want but the unneeded segments are put on the final disc anyway.

3) Probably related to the above. I was playing around with this mode and 'Frozen', which as mentioned above, splits the film into multiple m2ts to branch for non-English versions.

If you lower the QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD to get the smaller bonus features, segments that are part of the film, like the end credits, get separated from the from the film.

The movie is 1:42 in length but turns up as 1:27 with the missing pieces listed as 'Disc Extra' entries.

The default threshold keeps the movie length correct (I will assume that it does it properly), but adds some of the movie segments again as Disc Extras (about 1:18 worth).

4) I haven't tested yet, but I am currently assuming Quick-Play menus are in an AVCHD compatible format. If they aren't it would be nice if they are.

[jdobbs]

1. Editing really shouldn't be enabled in Quick-Play mode. That is an oversight and I will remove it in the next release. If you want to edit, you do it through "Edit Quick-Play Menu" from the MODE menu. You can rename titles, reorder the menus, and remove playlists.

2. It already works at the playlist level. See #1.

3. See #1. The Quick-Play threshold works at the playlist level.

4. Quick-Play menus are AVCHD compatible.

Honestly I have serious regrets that I ever opened the "Pandora's Box" of the editing option via "ENABLE_TEST". It is nothing but an invitation for self-inflicted injuries. It is undocumented and hidden for good reason and it will stay that way (unless I decide to remove it completely).

[DoctorM]

Thanks. I wasn't clear that the video list in that mode was more informational than anything else. Please don't remove the editing. There is too much crap on most discs.

I'm not sure why it still messes up interpreting the playlists for Frozen when I set a lower QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD.
I'm going to assume it's specific to my PC until I finish upgrading and can duplicate it on my new system.

[jdobbs]

Thanks. I wasn't clear that the video list in that mode was more informational than anything else. Please don't remove the editing. There is too much crap on most discs.

I'm not sure why it still messes up interpreting the playlists for Frozen when I set a lower QUICK_PLAY_THRESHOLD.
I'm going to assume it's specific to my PC until I finish upgrading and can duplicate it on my new system.It may be possible that there is more than one playlist that points to the movie... and it is selecting the wrong one. It goes through a fairly complex algorithm to try and weed out duplicates, etc. If "Frozen" is one of those discs that uses playlist obfuscation, it wouldn't surprise me if it confused the algorithm.

[DoctorM]

I don't believe there is obfuscation on this disc. Something weird is happening depending on the threshold setting.

At 1 minute the movie is split up, the deleted scenes (which should be accessible separately and as a 'Play All') are only are present individually, but one of the four scenes doesn't appear at all, even though it is 1:27 in length.

At 0 the 1:27 length deleted scene shows up and other things change how they are divided or duplicated (too much to sort through).

At 3 minutes the movie still splits but differently again and the deleted scene 'play all' list now shows up. The teaser trailer disappears because that is under 2 minutes.

Could be this disc, could be me.

[Cedvano]

Hi,
It's possible to add an option (hidden or not) for change FRIMencode quality (7) for my poor config ?

Thank you very much.

[jdobbs]

Hi,
It's possible to add an option (hidden or not) for change FRIMencode quality (7) for my poor config ?

Thank you very much.I suppose I could, but in my tests I couldn't see a difference in speed between the 6 and 7 settings -- so I decided 7 had no real purpose...

On the other hand, I can only test in SW mode -- so I can't say how it would work for a Quick-Play enabled system.

[Cedvano]

I suppose I could, but in my tests I couldn't see a difference in speed between the 6 and 7 settings -- so I decided 7 had no real purpose...

On the other hand, I can only test in SW mode -- so I can't say how it would work for a Quick-Play enabled system.

Thanks, in my case, I see 1 hour between the 6 and 7 settings.

My CPU is an AMD Athlon II X4 640 with 8gb RAM. Old config.

[emilio99]

Not really a feature request but I think it's the best topic.

Is there a way I can reencode 2 BluRay 3D discs into one?

The Hobbit Part 1 is on two discs and it would be really cool I could reencode both discs into one new (BD50).

[sparkyar]

Also, I guess a request, but maybe a hidden feature.
Is there a way to re-encode bonus features only and leave the movie untouched?

I know you can steal space from the extras, but sometimes stealing just from the extras is all you need/want.

Something like a MAX_M2TS_SIZE and MAX_PLAYLIST_MINS could do this.

I second this one.
something like a "MAX_M2TS_SIZE" could be very useful and save a lot of time and disk space

[Lathe]

I second this one.
something like a "MAX_M2TS_SIZE" could be very useful and save a lot of time and disk space

Actually, I had not thought of this before; excellent idea mate! :)

I don't quite understand the 'Max M2ts size' mentioned above (probably just brain dead at the moment...) but, having an option JUST to re-encode the extras is a a great idea!

[jfcarbel]

Would love to see ability to pick specific streams to encode to alternate format like mp4 as I sometimes just want the bonus stuff to view offline on train ride.

Also can we get the windows to be resizable.

[jdobbs]

Would love to see ability to pick specific streams to encode to alternate format like mp4 as I sometimes just want the bonus stuff to view offline on train ride.

Also can we get the windows to be resizable.you can do that now. Just choose a different playlist from "alternate playlist".

[omegaman7]

Why do people keep asking for windows resize? If viewing from a distance is your issue, you can use the native windows magnifier. I don't know about windows 8, but 7 has it.

[RobertM]

Why do people keep asking for windows resize?

You misunderstand what people are asking for. It's not to magnify the content of the window, but to expand the workspace of the window, so that you can see a greater number of streams in a playlist, for instance.

[DoctorM]

You misunderstand what people are asking for. It's not to magnify the content of the window, but to expand the workspace of the window, so that you can see a greater number of streams in a playlist, for instance.

So we don't have to scroll so much? That's a great idea. +1

[omegaman7]

Having to scroll a bit hasn't bothered me much. I understand though. I think appearance is still on the back burner, and functionality is on the front burner ;) Though I wouldn't mind an invert of the current appearance. (Darker window) I have a sensitivity to light :S

[Snarko]

How about HEVC as *input*? Output would be mostly pointless at the moment, but input to convert to a regular ol' Blu-ray disc might not be *as* pointless. Right now, importing a file containing HEVC video stops the import process cold.

[omegaman7]

I'm curious about BD-XL technology. Would setting the custom size, for example 90,000MB, allow an appropriate burnable/playable output? For example, squeezing multiple HD movies onto one BD-XL, with custom menu.

I guess the real question (no need to answer this) is does TMT, PowerDVD, or comparable support these formats. In theory, the size may not be relevant. But, I didn't code all the softwares and devices LOL!

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I'm curious about BD-XL technology. Would setting the custom size, for example 90,000MB, allow an appropriate burnable/playable output? For example, squeezing multiple HD movies onto one BD-XL, with custom menu.

I guess the real question (no need to answer this) is does TMT, PowerDVD, or comparable support these formats. In theory, the size may not be relevant. But, I didn't code all the softwares and devices LOL!

CyberLink PowerDVD 13 Ultra does display a BD-XL logo at start-up on my system. I would assume it does but I don't see it mentioned in the specs. If it does then I'd assume PowerDVD 14 does, as well. I have a Pioneer BDR-2209 drive. I still haven't gotten around to even buying some BD-XL discs, however.

[HWK]

I think all software players should play it, as long they are getting valid input I don't see reason why they won't. It is drive which will make difference over here.

One easy way to test if player support it is to author multiple disc close to 100GB and create iso of them and in return try to play iso file and see how it goes.

Lg drive I have can write 128 GB on 4 layers or 100GB on 3 layers.

[omegaman7]

I think all software players should play it, as long they are getting valid input I don't see reason why they won't. It is drive which will make difference over here.

One easy way to test if player support it is to author multiple disc close to 100GB and create iso of them and in return try to play iso file and see how it goes.

Lg drive I have can write 128 GB on 4 layers or 100GB on 3 layers.

I may just experiment :) I can think of a few candidates worthy of a BD-XL.

[jdobbs]

I may just experiment :) I can think of a few candidates worthy of a BD-XL.Same here. I have a BD-XL burner but no blanks, I think I'll order a BD-RE XL and see if PowerDVD will play it on my system. Afterward it may be useful for system backups.

[HWK]

Same here. I have a BD-XL burner but no blanks, I think I'll order a BD-RE XL and see if PowerDVD will play it on my system. Afterward it may be useful for system backups.

Jdobbs, I found this to be quite cheap

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Blu-ray-Rewritable-Triple-Single/dp/B004VC9ZMW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406413062&sr=8-1&keywords=BD-XL&dpPl=1

As of this movement it is listed for 29.00.

[Ch3vr0n]

Powerdvd is capable of xl playback. The logo's can be seen in the GUI alongside all the others

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[HWK]

Powerdvd is capable of xl playback. The logo's can be seen in the GUI alongside all the others

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Are you aware of any other player which can play it.

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, I found this to be quite cheap

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Blu-ray-Rewritable-Triple-Single/dp/B004VC9ZMW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406413062&sr=8-1&keywords=BD-XL&dpPl=1

As of this movement it is listed for 29.00.I ordered this one (http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluray-Triple-Blueray-Printable/dp/B00G5RVTNY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1406414349&sr=8-2&keywords=BD-RE+XL) earlier today. I did it before I noticed there are some exceptions listed... not sure what that's all about. Hopefully it won't be an issue with my drive. It's interesting that BD-RE XL's are cheaper than BD-R XLs.

[HWK]

I ordered this one (http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluray-Triple-Blueray-Printable/dp/B00G5RVTNY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1406414349&sr=8-2&keywords=BD-RE+XL) earlier today.

Darn, Can you share your experience once you get it. This way I can order some as well.

You get to be tester :p

[jdobbs]

Darn, Can you share your experience once you get it. This way I can order some as well.

You get to be tester :pI just noticed the delivery time is about 30-45 days. I'm going to cancel that order if possible.

[HWK]

I just noticed the delivery time is about 30-45 days. I'm going to cancel that order if possible.

Yikes, that is longest I have ever seen. Mine take 5-10 business day to ship from USA to Canada for same item.

Are you sure you didn't choose provider in Japan?

To me it is sold by
Centrix International Corporation

[jdobbs]

Yikes, that is longest I have ever seen. Mine take 5-10 business day to ship from USA to Canada for same item.

Are you sure you didn't choose provider in Japan?

To me it is sold by
Centrix International CorporationYes, the provider is in Japan. In fact the name is "Buy in Japan"... so that means two weeks is reasonable. But 30 to 45 days... I don't think so.

[HWK]

Yes, the provider is in Japan. In fact the name is "Buy in Japan"... so that means two weeks is reasonable. But 30 to 45 days... I don't think so.

So did you cancel the order or what you did with it?

[jdobbs]

So did you cancel the order or what you did with it?I filled out the message on Amazon and sent it... I haven't gotten a response yet.

[Edit] I just got an e-mail in which they are saying it won't take that long and usually arrives in a couple weeks. They then asked if I want to cancel anyway. I told them to cancel. I'm impatient when it comes to orders -- that's why I sprung for Amazon Prime.

[Edit] They cancelled it. I'm going to order the one you referenced.

[Lowpro]

Hi jdobbs. I'd love to see three enhancements made to the "Quick-Play" feature of BD Rebuilder. Have outlined each enhancement request below.

1. MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR
Presently the only color options are "YELLOW", "BLUE", "GREEN", "RED", "PURPLE" and "WHITE". I would love to be able to use any color for the active menu text by simply entering the hex code for a given color instead as the present color choices will not always complement the custom menu background one might be using.

In my case I'll be using BD Rebuilder exclusively for re-authoring all of the TV shows that I own on Blu-ray taking advantage of the "Quick-Play" feature for episode selection in addition to checking out any of the extras. Using Photoshop I'm creating a custom menu background, graphical text being used to call out the particular season of the show at the top above the episode selection area, and then at the bottom within the episode selection area graphical text calling out the title of the TV show. Naturally it would be awesome with BD Rebuilder to be able to go with any color of my choosing for the active menu text as to complement the graphical text within the menu background I've worked up. Example provided below of "Hannibal: Season 1 (Disc 3)" as seen from both my short throw front projector and 120" portable screen and from TotalMedia Theatre 3 Platinum which I have running on an old Windows XP box solely for being able to take screen captures of the actual Blu-ray menus. The stock color "RED" in this case for the active menu text worked great. Several of the other menu backgrounds I've worked up so far have only worked well with "WHITE" though, the other color choices looking too out of place.

(Should note as well that the first example pic below was taken with my aging iPhone 4, so pardon the poor quality of the pic. Seen firsthand the picture is quite vibrant, the menu text being well defined, the white of the text not bleeding at all as it appears to be in the pic. The second example pic below, a screen capture taken from TMT3 isn't the best quality either, but it does provide a better look at what the actual "Quick-Play" menu looks like.)

https://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/portable_fp_setup_05.jpg https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s1d3_menu_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s1d3_menu.jpg)

Wanted to also mention per the above example (and this isn't an enhancement request) that I'm using the Import/Quick-Play Settings option "Play items sequentially (Don't return to MENU at item's end)" as when selecting a given TV episode I prefer it to start playing the next one automatically without taking me back to the Top Menu. After playing the last TV episode however (not the last actual menu item), I do want it to take me back to the Top Menu per selectively choosing to watch a given bonus feature if I want. As such, prior to burning to BD-R I just load the BDMV folder up in BDedit and update the "Jump Title" value for the last TV episode and each bonus feature to "0" which results in being taken back to the Top Menu each time, the TV episodes in this case being the only items that play sequentially back to back.
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Some additional menu background examples I worked up recently shown below. Click on the given image to download the full 1920x1080 background if you like. Will note as well that for me images when viewed in Google Chrome, including the ones below appear very dark with the contrast being blown out. From what I gather it's an issue relating to color profiles. Have yet to sort it out. Using Mozilla Firefox (with color management disabled via an add-on) or Internet Explorer the images look as I would expect them to.

https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_ahs_s1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_ahs_s1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_ahs_s2_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_ahs_s2.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_ahs_s3_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_ahs_s3.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s2_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s2.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s3_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s3.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s4_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s4.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s5.1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s5.1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s5.2_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_bb_s5.2.jpg)
https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_the_following_s1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_the_following_s1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_td_s1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_td_s1.jpg)
https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s2d1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s2d1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s2d2_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s2d2.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s2d3_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_hannibal_s2d3.jpg)
https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_homeland_s3d1_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_homeland_s3d1.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_homeland_s3d2_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_homeland_s3d2.jpg) https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_homeland_s3d3_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/backgrounds/bdrb_homeland_s3d3.jpg)

2. "Quick-Play" navigation.
When the last menu item is highlighted I'd like to be able to menu down at that point having it wrap back around to the top menu item. Presently it doesn't wrap around. You have to menu up one at a time to get back to the top again.

3. Import/Quick-Play Settings option "Attempt to find original background for BD import/Quick-Play".
I'd love to use the Import/Quick-Play Settings option "Attempt to find original background for BD import/Quick-Play" with several of my titles rather than going with a custom menu background as when testing it utilizes the menu video background from the original disc which is way cool. The only problem is the video doesn't repeat "x" number of times like the original disc does (usually set to play repeatedly several hundred times as seen within BDedit when checking out the retail version of a given disc), so once the video plays once which often fades to black at the end you are then looking at the menu selection items from that point forward against a stark black screen.

[jdobbs]

@Lowpro

1. Most people don't understand the concept of RGB or hexadecimal, and forcing them to create a HEX value would make it too complex. What I will do instead is add another color called "custom". Then you will be able to add another hidden option called MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR that will accept hex values.

I thought I had it set to go to the menu after the last item (when using sequential playback). I'll take a look at it.

2. I can do that.

3. I was planning to do that at some point, and just kinda' parked it somewhere. I'll look at it again.

[Lowpro]

@Lowpro

1. Most people don't understand the concept of RGB or hexadecimal, and forcing them to create a HEX value would make it too complex. What I will do instead is add another color called "custom". Then you will be able to add another hidden option called MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR that will accept hex values.

I thought I had it set to go to the menu after the last item (when using sequential playback). I'll take a look at it.

2. I can do that.

3. I was planning to do that at some point, and just kinda' parked it somewhere. I'll look at it again.

Thanks for the reply and even considering these enhancements. Great idea as well per adding another color called "CUSTOM" which in turn would look for a new hidden option called, "MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR" designed to accept a hex color value. I like it! Count me in for a donation if said enhancement is implemented. (Not a bribe mind you. :-P Just something to wet your whistle.) Also, you do have things set to go to the menu after the last item (when using sequential playback), the top item in the menu at that point being highlighted. I had just mentioned BDedit for those that might not think to use it if they'd like to "selectively" decide which items play sequentially after running things through BD Rebuilder.

As far as re-authoring goes, I use BD Clown exclusively for creating movie-only copies of my retail Blu-ray's which I then burn to BD-R/DL for use with my Sony Blu-ray changers, the retail version of each disc serving as my backup copy. BD50's are not that expensive for me, so I don't sweat it if a given title won't fit on a BD25 short of re-encoding. As such, BD Clown continues to serve my purposes just fine. That being said, I haven't been re-authoring my TV Shows on Blu-ray as I wanted to include a simple Top Menu for episode selection paired with a custom menu background where at the very least I could control the naming and order of the various items in addition to which items I wanted to include, color of the active menu text used and whether said items play sequentially or not. I've used multiAVCHD for a couple of my TV shows on Blu-ray, but haven't been terribly pleased with the results. Aside from the program itself being quite cumbersome to use, the menu navigation from one item to another is painfully slow (...more so when playing the given title from my Sony Blu-ray changers versus my HTPC) due to the entire menu screen needing to update when changing selections. When selecting an item I also miss the first few seconds of the given episode due to sluggishness I guess which is annoying. I have to restart the chapter at that point in order to start the given episode cleanly. Your BD Rebuilder program and "Quick-Play" feature on the other hand don't present any of those issues while at the same time meeting all the criteria I am looking for, BDedit rounding things out for me prior to burning to BD-R per selectively having only certain items play sequentially. In any event, thanks again for the reply and consideration per my enhancement requests. Have an awesome day!

[Weirdo]

It'd be great if the resume function could also 'remember' the CRF prediction step. Currently, it's repeated even if previously completed.

A question: does resume also work in Batch mode? Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, I found this to be quite cheap

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Blu-ray-Rewritable-Triple-Single/dp/B004VC9ZMW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406413062&sr=8-1&keywords=BD-XL&dpPl=1

As of this movement it is listed for 29.00.I got one of these. It seems to work well -- although I had to do a reformat with IMGBURN in order to get the 2x burn times (it was maxing out at .8x or so as delivered. Interestingly it appears to hold more now as well.

[Weirdo]

Another request: show progress percentage when hovering on the minimized tray icon. Currently, it only shows it when minimized in the taskbar.

[Ch3vr0n]

I've got a simple request that probably isn't that hard to do. since doing 3D discs requires w7 i have to do them on my dualboot OS. However my main OS is vista. doing a 3D rebuild on my non-quicksync system takes considerable time. I was wondering if it would be possible to add a (hidden) option to have bdrb REBOOT the system instead of shutting down. There's already once to put it to sleep but not for a reboot. That way after i'm done encoding the 3D build overnight on w7, when the job is complete i'll wake up to a reboot into my main os Vista (which is the default os to boot). Should hopefully not be that hard to do.

[m.rup]

Hi, is it feasible to add some basic editing to Quick Play menu? Up to now, menu items can be edited and moved, possibility to change font color, size and style would be a great addition.

[jdobbs]

Hi, is it feasible to add some basic editing to Quick Play menu? Up to now, menu items can be edited and moved, possibility to change font color, size and style would be a great addition.The size can't be edited, because it is set by the number of entries. But it should be possible to add a style change. The color can already be changed with the hidden option (see HIDDENOPTS.TXT):

MENU_ACTIVE_COLOR=

In the next release you will also have:

MENU_CUSTOM_COLOR=

You can also set the top of the menu (in the screen space) with:

MENU_TOP=

I'll probably add some more customization in future releases.

[m.rup]

Hi jdobbs, thanks for your kind reply. Sorry that I wasn't aware that there are already some of my desired features implemented. I will try it immediately.

[had-z]

Hi Jdobbs, has been passed about a year since the last time i used Bdrebuilder, i miss a feature to directly add aditional audio or subtitle in bdrebuilder, actually before the encode to bd25 i had to process the title in tsmuxer (replace the m2ts, clipinfo, and edit the mpls), specially in a series blu-ray would be awesome if all that stuff can be done directly in Bdrebuilder with a right click in the selected track.

Best regards.

[slvrsrfr]

Jdobbs,

I have a portable copy of Imgburn v 2.5.8, but BDRB can't find it b/c there aren't any registry settings for Imgburn and i suspect that it is why. I couldn't find how to specify the path for it for BDRB, so could you please add that as a hidden option?

I hop around between computers, so i have all of the BDRB-related apps on an external usb drive.

THANKS for continuing to improve an already brilliant app!

[Ch3vr0n]

all bd related aps? Doubt it. last time i checked ffdshow, matroska arent portable

[slvrsrfr]

all bd related aps? Doubt it. last time i checked ffdshow, matroska arent portable

you seriously don't have anything better to do than troll?

i don't believe indicated ffdshow as being portable.

[Ch3vr0n]

I wasn't trolling, you said you had everything on the USB stick, do my question is since you still have to install ffdshow, matroska, what's 1 more app like IMGBurn. That's my point, that's all.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 met Tapatalk

[mparade]

@jdobbs

It would be really needed as an option in BD-RB to force inversing hard telecining at the M2TS level.

Thank you very much for this useful function.
It would be really appreciated.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

It would be really needed as an option in BD-RB to force inversing hard telecining at the M2TS level.

Thank you very much for this useful function.
It would be really appreciated.From HIDDENOPTS.TXT:IVTC_SELECTION=n n = 0/1 - Default=0, 1=Enables IVTC on dropdown menu, normally for hard telecined sourcesAdd IVTC_SELECTION=1 to your INI, and then right-click on the M2TS in the streams list. You can select IVTC as an option from there.

[mparade]

From HIDDENOPTS.TXT:Add IVTC_SELECTION=1 to your INI, and then right-click on the M2TS in the streams list. You can select IVTC as an option from there.

I have tested this option in June with version 47.05 or 47.06 on my hard telecined 480i sources, and it seemed (after checking the avs files in the working folder and the resulted files in dgavcdec) not to have been working with them. The sources were processed by BD-RB as they had been interlaced, remained with 29.97 fps after making IVTC selectively on them by using IVTC_SELECTION=1. I will be back with my test files soon.

Edit: please find attached the test files (using a 480i hard telecined source) I got after using IVTC_SELECTION=1 in my INI, and right-clicking on the M2TS in the streams list to select IVTC.

I think the function does not work as it should currently, but maybe, I made a mistake somewhere in the process. :(

Your help would be really appreciated.

[jdobbs]

I have tested this option in June with version 47.05 or 47.06 on my hard telecined 480i sources, and it seemed (after checking the avs files in the working folder and the resulted files in dgavcdec) not to have been working with them. The sources were processed by BD-RB as they had been interlaced, remained with 29.97 fps after making IVTC selectively on them by using IVTC_SELECTION=1. I will be back with my test files soon.

Edit: please find attached the test files (using a 480i hard telecined source) I got after using IVTC_SELECTION=1 in my INI, and right-clicking on the M2TS in the streams list to select IVTC.

I think the function does not work as it should currently, but maybe, I made a mistake somewhere in the process. :(

Your help would be really appreciated.It works... but I'll check again. It has to be a 29.97fps source.

[jdobbs]

I have tested this option in June with version 47.05 or 47.06 on my hard telecined 480i sources, and it seemed (after checking the avs files in the working folder and the resulted files in dgavcdec) not to have been working with them. The sources were processed by BD-RB as they had been interlaced, remained with 29.97 fps after making IVTC selectively on them by using IVTC_SELECTION=1. I will be back with my test files soon.

Edit: please find attached the test files (using a 480i hard telecined source) I got after using IVTC_SELECTION=1 in my INI, and right-clicking on the M2TS in the streams list to select IVTC.

I think the function does not work as it should currently, but maybe, I made a mistake somewhere in the process. :(

Your help would be really appreciated.I did some testing, and it doesn't seem to be working as expected. I'll look at it

[mparade]

I did some testing, and it doesn't seem to be working as expected. I'll look at it

Thank you very much.

Please test this function both with 480i and 1080i.
I have got different results using different resolution sources to be IVTC'd selectively by using this switch.

I would really love to see this function in the next release. :o

P.S. In the past, I used option IVTC_480i=1 instead to get around the problem somewhat. But it was a little bit more time consuming method.

[jdobbs]

Thank you very much.

Please test this function both with 480i and 1080i.
I have got different results using different resolution sources to be IVTC'd selectively by using this switch.

I would really love to see this function in the next release. :o

P.S. In the past, I used option IVTC_480i=1 instead to get around the problem somewhat. But it was a little bit more time consuming method.The iVTC_480i switch only works with 480i sources... it's what I always use for an imported DVD with hard telecining. I really don't see how it is time consuming.

[mparade]

The iVTC_480i switch only works with 480i sources... it's what I always use for an imported DVD with hard telecining. I really don't see how it is time consuming.

Sorry for the misunderstanding (maybe the reason is my "English"). I meant test both with 1080i and with 480i hard telecined sources the following: firstly use hiddenopt IVTC_SELECTION=1, then selectively use "Inverse telecine this item" on the corresponding (hard telecined) m2ts files in the stream list. I have got different results for the 1080i and 480i sources. IVTC was used for 1080i (but I had got an CreateBDFiles() 00063 2004 error message during recompilation of the streams) source, but not at all for the 480i ones (according to the avs files in the working folder and recheck with dgavcdec).

IVTC_480i was time consuming because I have a lot of BD-s including 1080p (the main feature), 480i interlaced (extras), 480i soft telecined (extras), 480i hard telecined (extras) sources. In these specific cases I could not use IVTC_480i=1, because I do not want to "ruin" all of my interlaced 480i sources. Firstly, I needed to reencode them with IVTC_480i=0, then, after starting a new encoding process (of the original disc), in edit mode I blanked all the m2ts files except the ones which were hard telecined 480i after switching to IVTC_480i=1. After the process I overwrote the files from the first encode with the ones from the second encode.

It seems much more time consuming than having a switch to force inversing hard telecining at the M2TS level.
In this case I could have done the whole process in only 1 step.

So, it would be really great to have this feature....:D

[HWK]

@ JDobbs,

Do we really need this line anymore? With elimination of ffdshow and haali as a option consider revising statement.

Download and install FFDSHOW and the Haali Matroska Splitter. They are required for BD-RB to work and are free. After the install, run "Video Decoder Configuration" for FFDSHOW from the "START/Programs" menu, and make sure MPEG2 decoding is enabled. Do the same using "Audio Decoder Configuration" to ensure "Uncompressed" is set to "All Supported".

[Ch3vr0n]

yes u do, as ffvideosource is currently in the test stage. jdobbs posted a few posts back he likes more testing on it first before he changes instructions

[HWK]

yes u do, as ffvideosource is currently in the test stage. jdobbs posted a few posts back he likes more testing on it first before he changes instructions

Oh, I see that make sense.

[HWK]

Jdobbs, I wanted to ask would it be possible to add option to choose x264 preset very slow.
Right know if user choose ultra high quality, it sets --preset slower in lastcmd.

Also can you add option to change b-adapt

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, I wanted to ask would it be possible to add option to choose x264 preset very slow.
Right know if user choose ultra high quality, it sets --preset slower in lastcmd.

Also can you add option to change b-adaptSetting "Highest (Very Slow) selects the "--preset slow"

[HWK]

I was referring x264 preset.

[omegaman7]

Unless I'm mistaken, MP4 does not support select-able subtitles. Which poses a problem for movies, where there are foreign language speaking areas and english subs needed. Aka forced subtitles. Avatar, Captain america Winter soldier to name a few.

I generally use Bd rebuilder for BD-50 - BD-25 backups. But sometimes I do generate MP4 backups. Any chance of hardcoding subtitles in the future? At the very least, the forced subs.

Feel free to put this on the back most burner ;) There are other tools that can accomplish this for the time being.

[soneca]

Logically would be the number 5 option, since the active option 4 equals --slower

[jdobbs]

I was referring x264 preset.So was I.

[jdobbs]

Unless I'm mistaken, MP4 does not support select-able subtitles. Which poses a problem for movies, where there are foreign language speaking areas and english subs needed. Aka forced subtitles. Avatar, Captain america Winter soldier to name a few.

I generally use Bd rebuilder for BD-50 - BD-25 backups. But sometimes I do generate MP4 backups. Any chance of hardcoding subtitles in the future? At the very least, the forced subs.

Feel free to put this on the back most burner ;) There are other tools that can accomplish this for the time being.I've looked at that in the past. It's not easy to do from within a program and requires a huge AVS if doing it from AVISYNTH.

[omegaman7]

I've looked at that in the past. It's not easy to do from within a program and requires a huge AVS if doing it from AVISYNTH.

Appreciate your response on this matter. This is a VERY rare case indeed, that I require MP4 subtitles. Sounds like it's more trouble than it's worth. No problem :)

[HWK]

So was I.

Ok, it seems there was miscommunication or I didn't get point across.

X264 preset values

ultrafast, superfast, veryfast, faster, fast, medium, slow, slower, veryslow, placebo.

When user choose ultra high quality in bd-rb via hidden setting it prints preset slower in lastcmd and then x264 uses slower preset. I wanted if veryslow can also be used in same way slower is used for ultra high quality. Prehaps hidden setting.

[jdobbs]

Ok, it seems there was miscommunication or I didn't get point across.

X264 preset values

ultrafast, superfast, veryfast, faster, fast, medium, slow, slower, veryslow, placebo.

When user choose ultra high quality in bd-rb via hidden setting it prints preset slower in lastcmd and then x264 uses slower preset. I wanted if veryslow can also be used in same way slower is used for ultra high quality. Prehaps hidden setting.Ok, from your original post I thought you were trying to set it to "slower". I'll look at adding it -- but I wouldn't recommend it, as it is overkill and the benefit is slight compared to "slower".

You can try:

TWEAK_PASS_ONE=--preset veryslow
TWEAK_PASS_TWO=--preset veryslow

But some of the resulting settings might possibly be incompatible with the BD standard (as it overrides settings earlier in the command line). When BD-RB uses a preset it puts it first, and then overrides some of the settings later in the command line to keep it compatible. I'd have to examine all the settings associated with that preset and correct any incompatibilities before I could implement it. For example, that preset may have the number of bframes set to some incompatible level or have a super long GOP as its default (I'm just throwing out things).

[mparade]

If not for anything else just for testing it would be great! I am a CRF guy, so I would take on testing if ever was included in BD-RB. I think jdobbs has very solid reasons why he did not add in these profiles so far (very slow and placebo). Anyway it would great to test them. :D

@jdobbs

Is TWEAK_PASS_ONE works for CRF encode?

[HWK]

Ok, from your original post I thought you were trying to set it to "slower". I'll look at adding it -- but I wouldn't recommend it, as it is overkill and the benefit is slight compared to "slower".

You can try:

TWEAK_PASS_ONE=--preset veryslow
TWEAK_PASS_TWO=--preset veryslow

But some of the resulting settings might possibly be incompatible with the BD standard (as it overrides settings earlier in the command line). When BD-RB uses a preset it puts it first, and then overrides some of the settings later in the command line to keep it compatible.

Tweak won't accept it, also x264 will keeping setting in check if blu-ray compatible flag is set.

I was reading document authoring blu-ray using x264 and that is where I got it form.

[jdobbs]

If not for anything else just for testing it would be great! I am a CRF guy, so I would take on testing if ever was included in BD-RB. I think jdobbs has very solid reasons why he did not add in these profiles so far (very slow and placebo). Anyway it would great to test them. :D

@jdobbs

Is TWEAK_PASS_ONE works for CRF encode?It should.

[jdobbs]

Tweak won't accept it, also x264 will keeping setting in check if blu-ray compatible flag is set.

I was reading document authoring blu-ray using x264 and that is where I got it form.Oh yeah. I forgot I have a check to prevent incompatible settings, including "preset"...

No... X264's blu-ray compatible won't keep it in check. If I understand it correctly, and I think I do, when the blu-ray compatible setting is earlier in the command line than another command, the individual settings associated with it will be overridden by the later settings.

[HWK]

Jdobbs, you may want to look at this page

http://www.x264bluray.com/home/1080i-p

You will see x264 preset is veryslow with --bluray-compat option added. Other option will needed to but I am not refering to those since program always add them. So if we replace --preset slower > --preset veryslow and leave everything else it will work.

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, you may want to look at this page

http://www.x264bluray.com/home/1080i-p

You will see x264 preset is veryslow with --bluray-compat option added. Other option will needed to but I am not refering to those since program always add them. So if we replace --preset slower > --preset veryslow and leave everything else it will work.Yes... it's just as I said. The reason that one works is because the --bluray-compat" is put into the command line after the "--preset slower" -- but the tweak commands are added to the end of the command line.

I also like to set the individual settings to keep things under my control.

The bottom line is that I will look at it -- but it is a very low priority because I think "very slow" is pretty much as placebo as "placebo" for BD usage. If you can't tell the difference -- then what's the point of making your encode take longer?

[HWK]

Ok, let me put other way. Forget about tweaks and all other stuff. If you added ENCODE_QUALITY=5 and it will instructs to use preset veryslow instead of slower for x264.
I know it is placebo, but just hack of it :p

[jdobbs]

I already gave my answer. :) I think you'll find that many of the things that make "very slow" a unique preset from the others will go away anyway when you add blu-ray as an option after it on the command line. You just don't see all the things that get negated.

[HWK]

I already gave my answer. :)

No, problem ;) I can always do separately if needed :p

[HWK]

I already gave my answer. :) I think you'll find that many of the things that make "very slow" a unique preset from the others will go away anyway when you add blu-ray as an option after it on the command line. You just don't see all the things that get negated.

Yep, I did few and it completely changes. On a side note may I recommend to take out this option from hidden options "WEIGHTP=n n = 0/1/2 - Value used by BD-RB in X264 command line "--weightp", default is "1"

since x264 ignores it, no matter if --bluray-compat is set.

[mparade]

Yes... it's just as I said. The reason that one works is because the --bluray-compat" is put into the command line after the "--preset slower" -- but the tweak commands are added to the end of the command line.

I also like to set the individual settings to keep things under my control.

The bottom line is that I will look at it -- but it is a very low priority because I think "very slow" is pretty much as placebo as "placebo" for BD usage. If you can't tell the difference -- then what's the point of making your encode take longer?

If you would ever include those presets in BD-RB I would test how much that extra compression would be gained going from "Slower" to "Very Slow" and from "Very Slow" to "Placebo" using a fixed CRF value. I think it would be very slight, if any, but I would test it for an eventually better efficiency (~identical quality at a lower bitrate).

[DoctorM]

Speaking of quality presets, since I rebuilt my PC, I keep the AUTO_BIAS=3. When making BD25's I rarely see much difference in the quality chosen.

While I don't need everything done on 'Very Slow', most things end up normal or faster. It would be nice if there was more of a separation... or a AUTO_BIAS=4.

[soneca]

Ok, let me put other way. Forget about tweaks and all other stuff. If you added ENCODE_QUALITY=5 and it will instructs to use preset veryslow instead of slower for x264.
I know it is placebo, but just hack of it :p

From time to time I used the preset --veryslow unrestricted in crf mode(16 ref frames) to save about 10% space. I never noticed any difference.
Never used, I think 10% of space does not compensate the excess of energy expended. :p

[jdobbs]

Yep, I did few and it completely changes. On a side note may I recommend to take out this option from hidden options "WEIGHTP=n n = 0/1/2 - Value used by BD-RB in X264 command line "--weightp", default is "1"

since x264 ignores it, no matter if --bluray-compat is set.It's the same point I made earlier, it shouldn't ignore it if the line is added after the "--bluray-compat" in the command line.

[laserfan]

Ha, ha all you --preset veryslow guys need more to do. ;) Or maybe that's the idea--while your computer is off cranking-on bits you can take-up a new hobby.

:p :D

The first BD I ever made, when BD-RB was just a gleam in jdobbs' eye but using the ideas he had about encodings, I tried making a DVD-5 1080p of Live Free or Die Hard. Thought it wouldn't work or if it did would look like crap, and omigosh even at 3,500Kbps bitrate the thing was amazing. I'll have to get that disc out, from 2008, and see if it was just that my eyes were untrained at that time, but I don't think so.

I understand the obsession with quality, I really do, but at some point you just have to say "I do this to enjoy the art; why spend any more time fiddling with encodings than I need to".

[HWK]

It's the same point I made earlier, it shouldn't ignore it if the line is added after the "--bluray-compat" in the command line.

According to "Lastcmd" contents weightp appear after --bluray-compat but x264 still doesn't accept it's value.

"D:\BD-RB\tools\x264-64.exe" "K:\BDMV\STREAM\00042.m2ts" --preset slower --bluray-compat --ref 4 --b-adapt 1 --demuxer lavf --fps 24000/1001 --b-pyramid strict --weightp 2 --qpmin=0 --bitrate 10803 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --pic-struct --vbv-bufsize 13000 --keyint 48 --min-keyint 1 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --threads auto --slices 4 --thread-input --tune film --stats "D:\BD-RB\WORKFILES\00042.m2ts.264.stats" --pass 2 --output "D:\BD-RB\WORKFILES\00042.m2ts.264"

When I check with media info it says weightp=1 and no I didn't modify file.
On a side note I don't see qpfile anymore for chapters, did you remove that?

[jdobbs]

According to "Lastcmd" contents weightp appear after --bluray-compat but x264 still doesn't accept it's value.



When I check with media info it says weightp=1 and no I didn't modify file.
On a side note I don't see qpfile anymore for chapters, did you remove that?I'll do some testing with the weightp settings and see what's up.

BD-RB puts in --qpfile if a .CHP file exists for that source. If there are chapters defined the .CHP should be there.

[HWK]

Jdobbs, chp file is being created in WORKFILES, however qpfile never make it way through in lastcmd. As a result x264 doesn't insert IDR frame.
I recently did another movie to test my findings. Can you perform check on that as well?

[HWK]

I'll do some testing with the weightp settings and see what's up.

BD-RB puts in --qpfile if a .CHP file exists for that source. If there are chapters defined the .CHP should be there.

Just want to add if weightp value is 2, x264 switch it to 1

It goes like this

weightp=0 > output video has weightp value of 0
weightp=1 > output video has weightp value of 1
weightp=2 > output video has weightp value of 1

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, chp file is being created in WORKFILES, however qpfile never make it way through in lastcmd. As a result x264 doesn't insert IDR frame.
I recently did another movie to test my findings. Can you perform check on that as well?I just tested it and it works correctly. If you're not getting the .CHP file, that means no chapters are defined in the MPLS. Are you using a commercial source, or is this one you created yourself?

The LASTCMD file in my test properly includes the --qpfile parameter.

[HWK]

I just tested it and it works correctly. If you're not getting the .CHP file, that means no chapters are defined in the MPLS. Are you using a commercial source, or is this one you created yourself?

Yes, indeed I am using commercial source. (Lego movie to be exact)

Let me try another one and see if lego is issue.

[jdobbs]

Yes, indeed I am using commercial source. (Lego movie to be exact)

Let me try another one and see if lego is issue.I just noticed you're using LAVF and I was using the defaults. Let me check and see if LAVF chapter works as well.

[Edit] Yep that's it. It's not a big deal, as it just means a chapter point may be a 1/2 second off in actually seeking when LAVF was used for the reencode. But I'll fix it.

[Edit] It was fixed and is included in the new version (in the bug reporting thread).

[HWK]

I just noticed you're using LAVF and I was using the defaults. Let me check and see if LAVF chapter works as well.

[Edit] Yep that's it. It's not a big deal, as it just means a chapter point may be a 1/2 second off in actually seeking when LAVF was used for the reencode. But I'll fix it.

[Edit] It was fixed and is included in the new version (in the bug reporting thread).

Thank you, for fixing the issue.

[DoctorM]

Ha, ha all you --preset veryslow guys need more to do. ;) Or maybe that's the idea--while your computer is off cranking-on bits you can take-up a new hobby.

Don't get me wrong, I do BD5's when the quality/compressibility allows it, but not all sources are created equal.

A long film with a lot of grain and motion, even going to a BD25, can be noticeably softer if you don't bump the quality.

Which brings me to a feature request.
How about when BDRB determines that a 2-PASS encoding should be used, that it can perform a compressibility test.

Have a SelectRangeEvery script that test encodes and compares a fixed CRF value to the % compression achieved. It could then determine what the quality setting should be? The test would only really need to be done for the main video.

For example:
The compression needed to fit the media is 60% for a Two Pass encoding.

A test script encodes a couple percent of the film and determines a CRF value of 24 at High Quality/Normal cannot achieve 60% compression. Instead it only reaches 65%.

Quality is bumped to Highest/Very Slow and a second encoding of the test clip hits 59% compression.

So Very Slow is used for the 2-pass full encoding.

Conversely if the test encoding at Normal achieved 50% compression, Fast, Very Fast and High Speed BD-25+ can be tested until the compression is <= 60%.

A specific CRF value can then be associated with each AUTO_BIAS tier and output quality would be more consistent between encodes. Something like:
AUTO_BIAS of 0 = CRF of 28
AUTO_BIAS of 1 = CRF of 24
AUTO_BIAS of 2 = CRF of 20
AUTO_BIAS of 3 = CRF of 16

Of course that's 1080p. Different CRF values would be needed for 720p and 480 sources. Probably just shifting everything down 2 points for 720p and 2 more for standard definition would work fine.

I really like this idea because I already manually do something similar before doing a full encode. I'll set BDRB for one pass encoding, let it find the CRF value of the main movie, and then adjust my quality setting (or strip some stuff) if the CRF is unacceptably high.

[jdobbs]

Don't get me wrong, I do BD5's when the quality/compressibility allows it, but not all sources are created equal.

A long film with a lot of grain and motion, even going to a BD25, can be noticeably softer if you don't bump the quality.

Which brings me to a feature request.
How about when BDRB determines that a 2-PASS encoding should be used, that it can perform a compressibility test.

Have a SelectRangeEvery script that test encodes and compares a fixed CRF value to the % compression achieved. It could then determine what the quality setting should be? The test would only really need to be done for the main video.

For example:
The compression needed to fit the media is 60% for a Two Pass encoding.

A test script encodes a couple percent of the film and determines a CRF value of 24 at High Quality/Normal cannot achieve 60% compression. Instead it only reaches 65%.

Quality is bumped to Highest/Very Slow and a second encoding of the test clip hits 59% compression.

So Very Slow is used for the 2-pass full encoding.

Conversely if the test encoding at Normal achieved 50% compression, Fast, Very Fast and High Speed BD-25+ can be tested until the compression is <= 60%.

A specific CRF value can then be associated with each AUTO_BIAS tier and output quality would be more consistent between encodes. Something like:
AUTO_BIAS of 0 = CRF of 28
AUTO_BIAS of 1 = CRF of 24
AUTO_BIAS of 2 = CRF of 20
AUTO_BIAS of 3 = CRF of 16

Of course that's 1080p. Different CRF values would be needed for 720p and 480 sources. Probably just shifting everything down 2 points for 720p and 2 more for standard definition would work fine.

I really like this idea because I already manually do something similar before doing a full encode. I'll set BDRB for one pass encoding, let it find the CRF value of the main movie, and then adjust my quality setting (or strip some stuff) if the CRF is unacceptably high.I like the idea. But I'm not sure whether the time constraints would make it feasible. It may be something that could be enabled with a hidden switch. I'll do some testing.

[DoctorM]

I like the idea. But I'm not sure whether the time constraints would make it feasible. It may be something that could be enabled with a hidden switch. I'll do some testing.
Cool. I'm good with that being a hidden feature. Not everyone has a system fast enough to waste time test encoding.

[laserfan]

Regarding this comment you made in the bugs thread:

I do testing before posting -- but BD-RB has gotten to a point where there are so many options and interdependencies that I just can't test them all. That's when I rely on people like you.
I have occasionally found the need to go thru my .INI file and *try to* either find something in there, or compare it to an older .INI that I saved, and it gives me a headache because nothing is in any kind of order e.g. Alphabetic for example.

I don't know if there's any possibility for BD-RB e.g. to auto-sort the .INI file, or at least organize it in some logical way, but thought I'd throw this out there anyway.

p.s. I watched the Live Free or Die Hard backup I made 6 years ago, and it's astonishing how good it is at average BR of 3.5Mbps. And talk about an "over-the-top" movie from an action sequences POV! :eek:

[mparade]

I have tested this "updated" feature in 48.03 with the new frame server. Worked great! Thank you very much for this professional program.

[mparade]

@jdobbs

After using hiddenopt

TWEAK_PASS_ONE=--preset veryslow
it seemed that BD-RB had not considered it. The LASTCMD did not include this option at all.

Perhaps I made some mistake or BD-RB did not let this option insert at the end of the command line.

I know using this preset is a very low priority, however, your help would be really appreciated.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I tried to import 1440x1080i25 (intended for 16:9 DAR) videocam files. Works great now but I am getting the ERROR message:
[12:02:42] Importing M2TS: 00005
- Preparing M2TS for processing...
[12:02:46]ERROR: Gathering source file information. Aborted.
[12:02:46]ERROR: Gathering source file information. Aborted.
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[12:02:54] Video import completed successfully.
The error seems to have no consequence as I can proceed and finalize the encoding without issues.

P.S.
For importing I have to manually rename the file extension from the original .mts to .m2ts. Could this be the cause?

[Sharc]

....p.s. I watched the Live Free or Die Hard backup I made 6 years ago, and it's astonishing how good it is at average BR of 3.5Mbps. And talk about an "over-the-top" movie from an action sequences POV! :eek:
Absolutely. I made all my backups to BD5 or BD9 and changed to BD25 only recently, mainly because my new player is picky with BD5/9 with menus.
2 full HD movie-only backups on a BD25 with Quick Menu look great.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

After using hiddenopt

TWEAK_PASS_ONE=--preset veryslow
it seemed that BD-RB had not considered it. The LASTCMD did not include this option at all.

Perhaps I made some mistake or BD-RB did not let this option insert at the end of the command line.

I know using this preset is a very low priority, however, your help would be really appreciated.We already talked about that.

[jdobbs]

Ok, let me put other way. Forget about tweaks and all other stuff. If you added ENCODE_QUALITY=5 and it will instructs to use preset veryslow instead of slower for x264.
I know it is placebo, but just hack of it :pOk. I've added a new hidden option just for you. It'll be in the next release. QUALITY_ULTRA will allow you to select what preset you'd like used when the undocumented Ultra-Quality option is selected. You can set it to "slower", "veryslow", or "placebo"

It is there for the sake of those who feel the need -- but I certainly wouldn't recommend it.

[Sharc]

Ok. I've added a new hidden option just for you. It'll be in the next release. QUALITY_ULTRA will allow you to select what preset you'd like used when the undocumented Ultra-Quality option is selected. You can set it to "slower", "veryslow", or "placebo"

It is there for the sake of those who feel the need -- but I certainly wouldn't recommend it.
Hmmm.... why not just make a (hidden) option for full custom command line to satisfy all the tweaking ideas and ambitions -- and reject any support for it?

[jdobbs]

Yeah... "reject any support" is fine in concept. But it fails in reality. People will edit their logs -- and even post bad press about your software because they are too clueless to know the problem was self-inflicted. I'm not going that route again.

[Sharc]

Yes, fully understood. You talk by experience.....

[HWK]

Ok. I've added a new hidden option just for you. It'll be in the next release. QUALITY_ULTRA will allow you to select what preset you'd like used when the undocumented Ultra-Quality option is selected. You can set it to "slower", "veryslow", or "placebo"

It is there for the sake of those who feel the need -- but I certainly wouldn't recommend it.

Thank you, for consideration and I really appreciate it.

[Lathe]

Speaking of quality presets, since I rebuilt my PC, I keep the AUTO_BIAS=3. When making BD25's I rarely see much difference in the quality chosen.

While I don't need everything done on 'Very Slow', most things end up normal or faster. It would be nice if there was more of a separation... or a AUTO_BIAS=4.

Yes, I second this also... a choice to lean the bias more toward quality would be nice. For me personally, if a BD is fairly large, I will most always choose 'High Quality' 2 pass; however, there are numerous cases where I WANT to allow the 'Auto' feature to do it's thing and I also set the AUTO_BIAS=3, but I too feel that it doesn't seem to tweak it that much towards quality.

In other words, if I felt that the auto_bias could be set stronger for 'Quality', I would probably be more inclined to use the 'Automatic' setting rather than 'second guessing' it and just setting it higher.

Thanks!

[Lathe]

Thank you, for consideration and I really appreciate it.

Thank you from me too; I don't really go for total overkill as a rule, but it will be interesting to play around with it. I'll hafta re-check to remind myself if 'Slower' is still compatible with Blu-ray. That is likely the highest I would try...

[Sharc]

Out of curiousity: Has anyone found real and visible qualitiy deficiencies with the current Auto-Quality settings? Examples? Scenarios?
Seeing no difference between AUTO_BIAS=3 compared to default means that the default is already very good and leaves probably only marginal room for improvement.

[mparade]

According to "Lastcmd" contents weightp appear after --bluray-compat but x264 still doesn't accept it's value.



When I check with media info it says weightp=1 and no I didn't modify file.
On a side note I don't see qpfile anymore for chapters, did you remove that?


Maybe, this the reason:

"bluray-compat
...modify x264's options to ensure better compatibility with all Blu-Ray players. Only neccessary if your video will be played by Blu-Ray hardware players.
This setting makes some option changes:
## Cap --weightp at 1"

But I do not understand, either as this option follows bluray-compat in the command line.

[Sharc]

Maybe, this the reason:

"bluray-compat
...modify x264's options to ensure better compatibility with all Blu-Ray players. Only neccessary if your video will be played by Blu-Ray hardware players.
This setting makes some option changes:
## Cap --weightp at 1"

But I do not understand, either as this option follows bluray-compat in the command line.
I think to remember that --bluray-compat is given priority, irrespective whether it is put at the beginning of the commandline or not. Means whichever conflicting parameter preceeds or follows is discarded. This is different from the presets (like --preset medium) for which the parameters are overruled by subsequent settings.
There has been a discussion about this long time ago but I didn't find the posts.
This would explain why --weightp 2 is not effective.

In case of interlaced (MBAFF) encoding --weightp is not supported, i.e. always --weightp 0 in this case.

[mparade]

I think to remember that --bluray-compat is given priority, irrespective whether it is put at the beginning of the commandline or not. Means whichever conflicting parameter preceeds or follows is discarded. This is different from the presets (like --preset medium) for which the parameters are overruled by subsequent settings.
There has been a discussion about this long time ago but I didn't find the posts.
This would explain why --weightp 2 is not effective.

In case of interlaced (MBAFF) encoding --weightp is not supported, i.e. always --weightp 0 in this case.

Yes, this would explain that, thanks for the clarification.

[Sharc]

As concerns the --presets I found this table (http://dev.beandog.org/x264_preset_reference.html)quite helpful.
I am however not sure if anything has been changed in x264 in this respect since.

[mparade]

As concerns the --presets I found this table (http://dev.beandog.org/x264_preset_reference.html)quite helpful.
I am however not sure if anything has been changed in x264 in this respect since.

Thank you very much. It is very very useful.
Do you know why we are forcing the following parameters in the command line?:

- -- vbv-maxrate 35000 (Blu-ray specification specifies a 40 Mbit maximum data rate for the video)
- -- ipratio 1.1 (MBTREE calculates the optimum value automatically through the preset)
- -- pbratio 1.1 (MBTREE calculates the optimum value automatically through the preset)

Your reply would be really appreciated.

[jdobbs]

Out of curiousity: Has anyone found real and visible qualitiy deficiencies with the current Auto-Quality settings? Examples? Scenarios?
Seeing no difference between AUTO_BIAS=3 compared to default means that the default is already very good and leaves probably only marginal room for improvement.You shouldn't see quality differences in auto. That's the point. It looks at your source and only goes as far as it needs to in order to get top quality. If a lower settings is all you need, then it uses that one and saves time. If it needs a higher one -- it goes for it.

[Sharc]

Thank you very much. It is very very useful.
Do you know why we are forcing the following parameters in the command line?:

- -- vbv-maxrate 35000 (Blu-ray specification specifies a 40 Mbit maximum data rate for the video)
- -- ipratio 1.1 (MBTREE calculates the optimum value automatically through the preset)
- -- pbratio 1.1 (MBTREE calculates the optimum value automatically through the preset)

Your reply would be really appreciated.
Well, my assumptions only (jdobbs would know better of course)
--vbv-maxrate 35000: probably a safety margin due to some bad experience (stutter) with 40000. You won't see a quality difference though as the video peak rate of 35000 will rarely happen in backup compression scenarios.
--ipratio and --pbratio: it is discarded when --mbtree is activated. So it does not matter to leave it there. But depending on the preset --mbtree gets deactivated and --ipratio/--pbratio kick in. The default values in x264 are 1.4 and 1.3 respectively. Long time ago it has been changed in DB-RB to 1.1 in order to reduce GOP pulsing for heavily compressed material. Maybe it could now be left at the default value since x264 has been improved since. You may want to test yourself.

.... jdobbs was faster :D

[jdobbs]

Thank you very much. It is very very useful.
Do you know why we are forcing the following parameters in the command line?:

- -- vbv-maxrate 35000 (Blu-ray specification specifies a 40 Mbit maximum data rate for the video)
- -- ipratio 1.1 (MBTREE calculates the optimum value automatically through the preset)
- -- pbratio 1.1 (MBTREE calculates the optimum value automatically through the preset)

Your reply would be really appreciated.Because you have to comply with the blu-ray standards. I spent a lot of time with the BD specification in my hand and a lot of tests from users on many standalone players to make sure the settings are all correct and will play without issues on all players. I'm not going to now go over each and every option again and debate why it it there.

If you go back through the entire bug thread you'll find reasoning for all...

[Sharc]

You shouldn't see quality differences in auto. That's the point. It looks at your source and only goes as far as it needs to in order to get top quality. If a lower settings is all you need, then it uses that one and saves time. If it needs a higher one -- it goes for it.
That's what I experienced :cool:
I was just wondering why people strive for 'even better' settings and whether there is a real reason for it.

[jdobbs]

That's what I experienced :cool:
I was just wondering why people strive for 'even better' settings and whether there is a real reason for it.That's one I'll never be able to explain. What is the point of "making sure I have the best quality" if you can't see the difference?

But... to each his/her own. Differences in people are what make life interesting (and confusing).

[CV91913]

I just got a new phone (Windows 8) which does not support MKV and the Windows app store has a dearth of good video players that do. So I am converting a bunch of my MKV videos to MP4. Your software does a great job of this. My question/request regards audio. The device only supports AAC. What I noticed is that in the process of creating the psudo BD structure the existing AAC is converted to AC3. I understand why you do this but I wonder if there is a way to avoid this? Some switch or setting? I currently have an alternate output section that leaves the video intact but I have to force the AAC audio output. Between the conversion from AAC to AC3 and then back to AAC, it adds about 10-12 minutes to a 35 minute process. I would like to have the process be able to leave both the audio and video intact and just do the package conversion. Thanks...

[laserfan]

I like the idea. But I'm not sure whether the time constraints would make it feasible. It may be something that could be enabled with a hidden switch. I'll do some testing.

You shouldn't see quality differences in auto. That's the point. It looks at your source and only goes as far as it needs to in order to get top quality. If a lower settings is all you need, then it uses that one and saves time. If it needs a higher one -- it goes for it.

Still, you must not be COMPLETELY happy with AUTO_QUALITY=1 if you liked DoctorM's test-for-success idea earlier. Or maybe you just see it as a challenge.

IMO if someone wants a perfect copy for their normal viewing/backup then they just choose a BD-50 or BD-25 as appropriate & don't reencode at all.

[jdobbs]

I just got a new phone (Windows 8) which does not support MKV and the Windows app store has a dearth of good video players that do. So I am converting a bunch of my MKV videos to MP4. Your software does a great job of this. My question/request regards audio. The device only supports AAC. What I noticed is that in the process of creating the psudo BD structure the existing AAC is converted to AC3. I understand why you do this but I wonder if there is a way to avoid this? Some switch or setting? I currently have an alternate output section that leaves the video intact but I have to force the AAC audio output. Between the conversion from AAC to AC3 and then back to AAC, it adds about 10-12 minutes to a 35 minute process. I would like to have the process be able to leave both the audio and video intact and just do the package conversion. Thanks...The problem is that when it imports it has to convert to a format that is compatible with Blu-Ray. AAC is not compatible.

It's just a matter of using MKVEXTRACT to get the elementary streams and then MP4BOX to remux it into the MP4 format (both are included in the BD-RB package). I could probably could a function that imports directly from MKV to MP4 and vice-versa, but I'm not sure whether it's really within scope of what BD-RB is designed to do (go in-and-out of a BD structure).

[jdobbs]

Still, you must not be COMPLETELY happy with AUTO_QUALITY=1 if you liked DoctorM's test-for-success idea earlier. Or maybe you just see it as a challenge.

IMO if someone wants a perfect copy for their normal viewing/backup then they just choose a BD-50 or BD-25 as appropriate & don't reencode at all.I've done some limited testing of that concept -- and so far it doesn't appear feasible. Using Q or CRF isn't a good measure, as I'm finding that going to a higher/slower quality level using the same bitrate doesn't necessarily decrease the Q. In fact it appears to sometimes increase it. I have found, however, that using a fixed CRF and increasing the quality level (for example from GOOD to HIGH QUALITY) decreases the size while maintaining roughly the same Q -- which is interesting. Maybe something like PSNR might be a better measure, I'll keep playing with it.

I am satisfied with how it works now... but that doesn't imply I should dismiss possible improvements, does it?

[CV91913]

The problem is that when it imports it has to convert to a format that is compatible with Blu-Ray. AAC is not compatible.

It's just a matter of using MKVEXTRACT to get the elementary streams and then MP4BOX to remux it into the MP4 format (both are included in the BD-RB package). I could probably could a function that imports directly from MKV to MP4 and vice-versa, but I'm not sure whether it's really within scope of what BD-RB is designed to do (go in-and-out of a BD structure).
OK, I understand. Just thought there might be a "hidden option" I am unaware of. Thanks for the response.

[CV91913]

It's just a matter of using MKVEXTRACT to get the elementary streams and then MP4BOX to remux it into the MP4 format (both are included in the BD-RB package)..

Yes, that works like a charm. Takes about 10 minutes. I should have thought of that, I even have GUIs for both of those tools. I have just gotten so spoiled with the added functionality of BDRB, I just fire it up without thinking. Keep up the good work!

[Lathe]

As concerns the --presets I found this table (http://dev.beandog.org/x264_preset_reference.html)quite helpful.
I am however not sure if anything has been changed in x264 in this respect since.

That is helpful; thanks Sharc. As was mentioned earlier, the 'Slower' preset begins to set things that conflict with Blu-ray compatibility, as far as hardware players are concerned. Also, per your earlier comment about 'seeing' the difference (although you were referring to the 'Auto' preset and 'Auto_Bias') to me personally the subme=9 is indeed approaching overkill, thus I never use the very 'Highest' setting on BDRB because that DOES take quite a bit more time I feel for no discernable return.

So, what I personally do with my more critical BDRB settings if say the Blu-ray is one with a lot of detail or the visuals are especially important, I use the default 'High Quality' setting 2 pass, BUT, I include a few of the 'higher' tweaks in the 2nd pass such as the Deblock settings (Tune--Film) Trellis and Psy settings to give it that little extra visual 'bump' (BTW, I've always been kind of surprised that none of the BDRB settings include the Deblock -1,-1 or Tune--Film settings - I would THINK that with most Blu-ray backups people would want that, but maybe not) But, across the board, the 'Slower' settings by and large are probably not really that discernable for a LOT more encoding time.

And, what you were saying before about really 'noticing' the difference between the Auto setting with or without the Auto_Bias=3, is kind of the point that I made earlier, that it would be kind of nice to be able to tweak the Auto settings more so towards quality, if possible. Then, I think with the slightly more demanding encodes, one would be more comfortable using the Auto setting. Just my lowly and wretched opinion...

[omegaman7]

I've used the slowest settings, and seen visible differences. But that also depends on decoding/player CPU/GPU rendering. "The Other Guys (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1386588/)" comes to mind. Some of the black levels, were really blocky at times. Unless I ran it at slowest settings. That was early on in development. It's possible that that has changed for whatever reason.

[Sharc]

........ as I'm finding that going to a higher/slower quality level using the same bitrate doesn't necessarily decrease the Q. In fact it appears to sometimes increase it.......
This reminds me on the observation made some time ago by a poster telling that going to slower quality settings did in fact increase the color banding :eek:

[Sharc]

I've done some limited testing of that concept -- and so far it doesn't appear feasible. Using Q or CRF isn't a good measure, as I'm finding that going to a higher/slower quality level using the same bitrate doesn't necessarily decrease the Q. In fact it appears to sometimes increase it. I have found, however, that using a fixed CRF and increasing the quality level (for example from GOOD to HIGH QUALITY) decreases the size while maintaining roughly the same Q -- which is interesting. Maybe something like PSNR might be a better measure, I'll keep playing with it.

I am satisfied with how it works now... but that doesn't imply I should dismiss possible improvements, does it?
Maybe a faster alternative to DoctorM's proposal for a quality-based encoding could be:
- Run a full CRF encode at a fix CRF in pass 1 and produce a stats file
- Compare the resulting bitrate with the target bitrate, and adjust the quality settings depending on the deviation (some experience factor comes in here)
- Run pass 2 with the stats from pass 1, the new quality settings and the target bitrate.

Encoding time would be similar to a regular 2-pass with slow firstpass.

[laserfan]

I am satisfied with how it works now... but that doesn't imply I should dismiss possible improvements, does it?
Of course not, I was just curious about it because I really have no idea about what is behind the AUTO_QUALITY setting.

I am certainly all for settings that take the guesswork out of making decisions--I am agnostic regarding the use of discs, though I guess when I think about it, the least favorite of recordable discs is the double-layer type ie the DVD-9. I like DVD-5 because they are cheap & reliable and while I may be wrong about this I prefer them against dual-layer just for the added simplicity of them. Then BD-25s are terrific but are only readable in BD players...

It would be great though if your testing would lead to BD-RB actually making a recommendation on which type to use for a movie, based on a test run of some sort. Right now my thinking is as simple as "this is a blockbuster filled with awesome visuals and SFX, so let's use BD-25" or "this is a short movie i.e. 100min and a simple drama, just use DVD-5".

Funny, if the stupid studios didn't author their discs with such horrible startup junk, i.e. if every disc simply started with the movie-only, no warnings or promos or trailers or ratings junk, then went-to-menu after, I would not have to use BD-RB at all, and only do backups for movies I would give to the kids to watch over & over again, and destroy eventually... :p

[DoctorM]

Maybe a faster alternative to DoctorM's proposal for a quality-based encoding could be:
- Run a full CRF encode at a fix CRF in pass 1 and produce a stats file
- Compare the resulting bitrate with the target bitrate, and adjust the quality settings depending on the deviation (some experience factor comes in here)
- Run pass 2 with the stats from pass 1, the new quality settings and the target bitrate.

Encoding time would be similar to a regular 2-pass with slow firstpass.
If x264 is anything like mpeg-2, using data gathered from a first pass at a different bitrate than the second pass degrades the quality more than if you just did another single pass at a new value.

[Sharc]

If x264 is anything like mpeg-2, using data gathered from a first pass at a different bitrate than the second pass degrades the quality more than if you just did another single pass at a new value.
Yeah, I remember vaguely that this has been discussed long time ago for x264. IIRC the deviation tolerance was in the order of 10% maximum which is probably not sufficient for this purpose. I tried to find the posts, but no avail ...

[HWK]

Yeah, I remember vaguely that this has been discussed long time ago for x264. IIRC the deviation tolerance was in the order of 10% maximum which is probably not sufficient for this purpose. I tried to find the posts, but no avail ...

Yeah, I remember reading Jason post and it mentions this as well. Although it make a difference but it is negligible and can be ignored.

[Sharc]

Yeah, I remember reading Jason post and it mentions this as well. Although it make a difference but it is negligible and can be ignored.
Aaahh, Jason aka Dark Shikari, right?
Yes, now I remember that he once mentioned that it should even be possible to do pass 1 with a lower resolution in order to speed the generation of the stats file up. However, the proposal seems never have materialized.

[Added:]
Finally I found something here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=161644)and here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1448147%20-%20post1448147)in this context.
It seems that the stats file is quite "robust" w.r.t. changes for the 2nd pass.

[mparade]

@jdobbs

Is hybrid material processed by BD-RB the same way as the interlaced? I am a bit unsure regarding hiddenopt ASSUME_HYBRID.

Your help would be appreciated.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Is hybrid material processed by BD-RB the same way as the interlaced? I am a bit unsure regarding hiddenopt ASSUME_HYBRID.

Your help would be appreciated.Almost, but not exactly. To process a hybrid source you have to instruct the decoder to honor pulldown flags or to make adjustments to assure the framerate is correct.

[mparade]

Almost, but not exactly. To process a hybrid source you have to instruct the decoder to honor pulldown flags or to make adjustments to assure the framerate is correct.

Does BD-RB automatically instruct the decoder after performing the MPEG-2 extended scanning routine or do I have to make some evaluation on the material like on a "hard telecined" source and then instruct the program through the hiddenopt ASSUME_HYBRID? As far as I remember, the hybrid sources are marked with "***" after the fps mark in the stream tab and "*" marks the soft telecine pulldown material, although I have never seen "*" so far inspite that I am working with "a lot of" 3:2 pulldown sources.

Thank you very much for your help in advance!

[jdobbs]

Does BD-RB automatically instruct the decoder after performing the MPEG-2 extended scanning routine or do I have to make some evaluation on the material like on a "hard telecined" source and then instruct the program through the hiddenopt ASSUME_HYBRID? As far as I remember, the hybrid sources are marked with "***" after the fps mark in the stream tab and "*" marks the soft telecine pulldown material, although I have never seen "*" so far inspite that I am working with "a lot of" 3:2 pulldown sources.

Thank you very much for your help in advance!BD-RB does it automatically. As for "hard telecined" -- BD-RB has no way of know that. In that case you have to force telcining by using IVTC_480i.

The "*" markings in the streams list are based on a very short scan of the beginning of the file... the true nature of the disc is known only after the full MPEG-2 scan that happens during processing.

[mparade]

If someone was ever interested in.

[Sharc]

Suggestion for 1-pass crf prediction mode:
- Generate and keep the --stats file of the --crf pass.
- If the file becomes oversized: Run --pass 2 automatically with the stats from pass 1 and the target bitrate.

Oversizing (or heavy undersizing) using BD-RBs prediction mode is seldom, but it happens maybe in 1 of 10...20 cases.
I tried above method. It seems to work very well without any noticeable quality loss due to the bitrate correction for pass 2. I think it's more reliable than repeating the encode with an educated guess for a new --crf.

[jdobbs]

Suggestion for 1-pass crf prediction mode:
- Generate and keep the --stats file of the --crf pass.
- If the file becomes oversized: Run --pass 2 automatically with the stats from pass 1 and the target bitrate.

Oversizing (or heavy undersizing) using BD-RBs prediction mode is seldom, but it happens maybe in 1 of 10...20 cases.
I tried above method. It seems to work very well without any noticeable quality loss due to the bitrate correction for pass 2. I think it's more reliable than repeating the encode with an educated guess for a new --crf.I'll look at it.

[AmigaFuture]

I'm testing with the movie "Say Anything" (1989)..and I'm noticing that with IVTC_SELECTION=1 & SD_PROGRESSIVE=1 set, some of the interlaced extras; Trailers and TV Spots; aren't being rerendered correct because SD_PROGRESSIVE=1 is still set even though IVTC_SELECTION=1 is set but isn't chosen with Right Click. Would you be willing to join IVTC_SELECTION=1 & SD_PROGRESSIVE=1 together? Or, perhaps, make a new option? The 2 options function well for the Deleted/Extended Scenes. I've noticed this for some other BDs as well, like Footloose. Thanks.

I'm using 49.01.

[Lowpro]

2. "Quick-Play" navigation.
When the last menu item is highlighted I'd like to be able to menu down at that point having it wrap back around to the top menu item. Presently it doesn't wrap around. You have to menu up one at a time to get back to the top again.

3. Import/Quick-Play Settings option "Attempt to find original background for BD import/Quick-Play".
I'd love to use the Import/Quick-Play Settings option "Attempt to find original background for BD import/Quick-Play" with several of my titles rather than going with a custom menu background as when testing it utilizes the menu video background from the original disc which is way cool. The only problem is the video doesn't repeat "x" number of times like the original disc does (usually set to play repeatedly several hundred times as seen within BDedit when checking out the retail version of a given disc), so once the video plays once which often fades to black at the end you are then looking at the menu selection items from that point forward against a stark black screen.

Thought I'd chime back in on a couple of enhancement requests I had made a while back. Would really love to see the above two items implemented. I did try to figure out if there was a way I could implement these items myself after the fact by modifying the files in question within the BD folder structure created by BD Rebuilder. No luck there. That being said, I do have an interim solution as far as having the video menu background play more than once, so I thought I'd share what I've been doing. In my case I'm creating "Quick-Play" backups of the TV shows that I own on Blu-ray, then burning to BD-50. Prior to burning to disc I'll determine how much room is going to be left on the disc. I then take a copy of the m2ts file used for the video menu background and join multiple copies of the file together using multiAVCHD, as many as would fit per the remaining space that would be left on the disc with a little breathing room to spare, name the resulting file accordingly and overwrite the original file within my build, then importing the build using BD Rebuilder all over again which in turn accounts for the longer running time of the updated m2ts file. Done deal. End result, I go from a 47 second video menu background for example that plays one time stopping on the last frame (...whatever that may be) to a video menu background that seamlessly loops over and over again (...well, that appears to be looping anyway) for 30 minutes instead just as the retail version of the given disc would do. Of course the retail version of the disc is just having that 47 second video repeat "x" number of times per the particular playlist, usually several hundred times. Short of figuring out how to update the particular playlist myself if that's even possible I've been able to accomplish the same end result while at the same time putting the unused space on my BD-50 to good use. Gotta love it!

[Audiophile1178]

Jdobbs,

Would it be possible to create a feature in BD Rebuilder that would allow the user to tell BD Rebuilder to NOT encode certain VID files?

[DoctorM]

Jdobbs,

Would it be possible to create a feature in BD Rebuilder that would allow the user to tell BD Rebuilder to NOT encode certain VID files?

Do you mean for it to remove those items or to copy that vid untouched?

The former is already present as a hidden option, the later I would like to see as well.

[jdobbs]

I could do that... but there's all kinds of caveats when you allow that kind of thing. A couple that come immediately to mind: 1. Output size can't be guaranteed -- because the parts deselected might violate the size by themselves, or may not leave enough space for what's left. 2. Quality of those actually reencoded can't be guaranteed -- because they get the limited space left over after the deselected parts use their space.

[Audiophile1178]

OK, this is going to be a little lengthy but it should help to understand some of the reasons for this request.

BD Rebuilder is a GREAT program but I FEEL (note that I'm stating my opinion) that it lacks in certain areas when one tries to use CRF values on bonus content and 2-pass on main titles. This would occur in areas such as:

1. Seamless Branching
2. Series discs
3. Films that have bonus content larger than the main title. This is rare but has occurred before.

In all of the above scenarios, BD Rebuilder just can't do these films properly and causes the user to do hours of manual encoding and BDedit manipulation or just accept it and possibly get sub par results on the main title with doing 2-pass on entire disc. I'm by no means a programmer but would LOVE to have this option enabled for the above reasons listed.

To copy that vid untouched?

That is what I meant. It would be great to mark certain VID's so that they don't get encoded and just processed through as if we had the FORCE_NOENCODE=0 enabled only on those VID's.

I could do that... but there's all kinds of caveats when you allow that kind of thing. A couple that come immediately to mind: 1. Output size can't be guaranteed -- because the parts deselected might violate the size by themselves, or may not leave enough space for what's left. 2. Quality of those actually reencoded can't be guaranteed -- because they get the limited space left over after the deselected parts use their space.

I can DEFINITELY see your point and realized that when I asked the question that it can cause novices some problems which is why it would definitely be a hidden option as in all the advanced/experimental options that are available in the hidden options so that it doesn't add complications for the novice user. I'm sure that you must know that many users use this great program that you created in many ways and not just for shrinking movies down to BD25 BD-R's which, if memory serves me correctly, is what you want BD Rebuilder to be. The one stop solution for ALL encoding.

Regarding the scenarios below, many of them would be bigger than a BD25 so the option FORCE_ENCODE=1 would be enabled BUT should be overwritten/ignored when BD Rebuilder comes across a VID flagged with No Encode.

Here are some scenarios that might make this option useful:

1. Somebody wants to do a full backup of a disc and use CRF values ONLY on the extras. This would allow the user to leave the main title untouched to reduce the overall size of the disc but still have the original video quality of the movie while having the extras reduced. When doing this the user would have their output setup as a BD50 but the FORCE_ENCODE=1 would be enabled for the extras to be encoded but not the main title since it was marked with the No Encode option. This would be useful for users that have a Server, HTPC, etc. and playback their material on programs such as XBMC to help conserve space while still having the original picture quality of the main film with the entire disc still intact. This would mean that the disc would most likely be bigger than a BD25 but much smaller than the original BD50 which can be quite useful for all the new titles coming out that seem to contain all 1080p video which can take up quite a big of space. By using CRF values on the extras of those titles I've seen reductions of 80% on those videos while still being quite presentable. This could save the user several GB's or even TB's of data.

2. This would work on all series and seamless branching titles. First, mark the main title/s with no encode and perform a CRF encode on all other VID's. This would, most likely, result in an output bigger than a BD25 disc, in which, the user would have their output setup as a BD50 but the FORCE_ENCODE=1 enabled for the extras to be encoded but not the main title since they were marked with No Encode. This first step shouldn't take too long to perform. Second, take the output of the first step and change BD Rebuilder to output a size of a BD25. Then, mark all the already encoded extras from the first part to No Encode and just encode the main title/s using 2-pass down to a BD25 for your final output. This would allow the highest quality available for the main title/s while still giving the extras a presentable quality. A user could use your wonderful batch processing feature to do many titles at once to help simplify the process.

3. I'm sure there are other scenarios but this is all that I can think of at the moment.


As stated before, I know that I and I'd imagine others would greatly appreciate an implementation of a feature such as this. I'm currently doing some series discs at the moment and would be able to test it out if you like.


As always, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME! :)

[jdobbs]

possibly get sub par results on the main title with doing 2-pass That's pretty much the opposite of reality. You will almost always get better results with 2-pass encoding than any other method. The only real advantage of CRF is the time savings related to a single pass. 2-pass will definitely give you better allocation of available bandwidth.

With that said, I'll look at it.

[Sharc]

Personally, I would prefer a method where the user can mark in the Stream Tab which files are to be classified as extras. These are then encoded with the user specified CRF (this feature is already available now). The feature is likely to remain untouched if Quick_CRF is set large enough, say 30. Otherwise it might get recoded fast with slight size reduction and no real quality loss.
But this is only my view, of course.

[DoctorM]

The reason I like the idea is I've found discs that are BD50, but once you strip excessive amounts of lossless non-English audio tracks, trailers, etc., the discs are just a little bit over BD25 sized.
My preference in those cases is to keep the movie untouched, but only re-encoded the extras with whatever it takes to fit it in the space left over. Less encoding is needed, perfect quality for the main title, less for the bits that aren't as important.

[Sharc]

@DoctorM
ok, I see your point. My concern is just if the feature is close to 25MB the extra(s) may get squashed to a non-watchable mash.
(just a quick thought....)

[Audiophile1178]

With that said, I'll look at it.

Thank you very much!

Personally, I would prefer a method where the user can mark in the Stream Tab which files are to be classified as extras. These are then encoded with the user specified CRF (this feature is already available now). The feature is likely to remain untouched if Quick_CRF is set large enough, say 30. Otherwise it might get recoded fast with slight size reduction and no real quality loss.
But this is only my view, of course.

I believe that it would be easier for Jdobbs to program and the user if the opposite was applied. The user marked which file was the main title. Usually, there's only 1 file or a handful of files that would need to be marked as a main title and all else would automatically get considered as bonus. If you think about it, when you have a film that has 40, 100, or possibly more bonus VID's it would be easier for the user to just mark which file/s is the main title rather than going through and marking all 40, 100, or more as the bonus content. After that, BD Rebuilder would automatically know that all the other files are bonus content that should be encoded using whatever CRF value was given but, in reality, either way would get the job done.

[DoctorM]

@DoctorM
ok, I see your point. My concern is just if the feature is close to 25MB the extra(s) may get squashed to a non-watchable mash.
(just a quick thought....)

I'm just thinking back to old DVD Shrink. You could mark any video as compress/blank/copy untouched.

How badly they got compressed when you manually tweaked it was on you, but it was useful.

[Sharc]

I'm just thinking back to old DVD Shrink. You could mark any video as compress/blank/copy untouched.

How badly they got compressed when you manually tweaked it was on you, but it was useful.
Yes, DVD-Shrink, nice to remember ....
One may of course delegate the responsibility of the tweaks to the user. In practice however if a BD-RB encode turns out to be poor the question or complaint will likely end up on the author's desk, I am afraid ;)
Anyway, there are options, but the decision is with jdobbs.

[jdobbs]

Thought I'd chime back in on a couple of enhancement requests I had made a while back. Would really love to see the above two items implemented. I did try to figure out if there was a way I could implement these items myself after the fact by modifying the files in question within the BD folder structure created by BD Rebuilder. No luck there. That being said, I do have an interim solution as far as having the video menu background play more than once, so I thought I'd share what I've been doing. In my case I'm creating "Quick-Play" backups of the TV shows that I own on Blu-ray, then burning to BD-50. Prior to burning to disc I'll determine how much room is going to be left on the disc. I then take a copy of the m2ts file used for the video menu background and join multiple copies of the file together using multiAVCHD, as many as would fit per the remaining space that would be left on the disc with a little breathing room to spare, name the resulting file accordingly and overwrite the original file within my build, then importing the build using BD Rebuilder all over again which in turn accounts for the longer running time of the updated m2ts file. Done deal. End result, I go from a 47 second video menu background for example that plays one time stopping on the last frame (...whatever that may be) to a video menu background that seamlessly loops over and over again (...well, that appears to be looping anyway) for 30 minutes instead just as the retail version of the given disc would do. Of course the retail version of the disc is just having that 47 second video repeat "x" number of times per the particular playlist, usually several hundred times. Short of figuring out how to update the particular playlist myself if that's even possible I've been able to accomplish the same end result while at the same time putting the unused space on my BD-50 to good use. Gotta love it!Ok. I added a hidden item called MENU_ROLLOVER that does the first one. I may even make it the default for the next release, we'll see. I'll look at the second request and see how hard it'll be to implement. I've been meaning to do it, but just haven't gotten around to it.

[Lathe]

Ok. I added a hidden item called MENU_ROLLOVER that does the first one. I may even make it the default for the next release, we'll see. I'll look at the second request and see how hard it'll be to implement. I've been meaning to do it, but just haven't gotten around to it.

Thank you!

I too would like to 'Third' the suggestion about keeping the main title untouched and allowing BDRB to encode all the rest

[Lowpro]

Ok. I added a hidden item called MENU_ROLLOVER that does the first one. I may even make it the default for the next release, we'll see. I'll look at the second request and see how hard it'll be to implement. I've been meaning to do it, but just haven't gotten around to it.

Excellent! Being able to wrap your selection from top to bottom or bottom to top would be awesome. Appreciate your willingness to look into the other item as well and at least I've got a way to accomplish the same end result though it would be far more preferable naturally to have the one file play "x" number of times rather than what I'm doing now.

[brunchto]

is it possible to have an alternate output with only the m2ts generated when you choose BD output.
after extraction from the iso, the generated m2ts for a movie only seems to work fine on my oppo103, even in 3D (i need to test it a little more by the way).

[mparade]

@jdobbs

Is it possible in BD-RB to apply the "audio encoding options" that were set under settings/setup dialogue to the mkv profiles located in alternate.txt? It would be great if these options would be available while making mkv movie-only encodes. I would prefer in my mkv movie only-encodes as well the settings which were set under "audio encoding options" to keeping the tracks intact.

Thank you in advance for your opinion.

[gonca]

is it possible to have an alternate output with only the m2ts generated when you choose BD output.
after extraction from the iso, the generated m2ts for a movie only seems to work fine on my oppo103, even in 3D (i need to test it a little more by the way).

Just keep the m2ts file and delete everything else.

Is it possible in BD-RB to apply the "audio encoding options" that were set under settings/setup dialogue to the mkv profiles located in alternate.txt? It would be great if these options would be available while making mkv movie-only encodes. I would prefer in my mkv movie only-encodes as well the settings which were set under "audio encoding options" to keeping the tracks intact.

Thank you in advance for your opinion.

Can be done by using a custom ALTERNATE OUTPUT profile

[mparade]

Just keep the m2ts file and delete everything else.



Can be done by using a custom ALTERNATE OUTPUT profile

and indeed..sorry before asking than testing. :thanks:
I could achieve what I wanted by using:

aBitrate=*
aType=0

Can you explain a bit what automatic (*) means?
What bitrate is it using for audio encoding automatically?
I assume it "uses" 640 kbit/s AC3 conversion on 5.1 & 7.1DTS/DTS HD tracks and 224 kbit/s on 2.0 DTS/DTS HD tracks and no reencoding at all (keeping the core) on the DD audio tracks with the bitrate under (e.g. 448 kbs) or equal to (Dolby True HD) that, right?

[gonca]

automatic is meant for DVD output, I believe. Bitrate would probably be 448 with AC3.
If you want audio tracks intact use aType=2, (for MKV and MP4 output).
If you want AC3 with a specific bitrate use aType=0
aBitrate=xxx where xxx is the bitrate you want
If aBitrate is less than 384 Then it will be down mixed to stereo
If you just want AC3=640 then enter aBitrate=640.

If you want, just tell me how you like to encode and I can help you create a preset.

[jdobbs]

Right, except "automatic" is for anything except iPod/iPad. It changes depending upon the type of output. Generally it would be 640Kbs for 5.1 AC3, unless you've chosen DVD output (in which case it would be 448Kbs).

[mparade]

Is it possible in an mkv container (like within a BD structure):

- keep the DTS core from DTS-HD tracks;
- keep the AC3 core from Dolby TRUE HD tracks;

Does "audio encoding options" have any impact on creating an mkv container or does it have it's own separated settings?

Your answers would be really appreciated.

[mparade]

automatic is meant for DVD output, I believe. Bitrate would probably be 448 with AC3.
If you want audio tracks intact use aType=2, (for MKV and MP4 output).
If you want AC3 with a specific bitrate use aType=0
aBitrate=xxx where xxx is the bitrate you want
If aBitrate is less than 384 Then it will be down mixed to stereo
If you just want AC3=640 then enter aBitrate=640.

If you want, just tell me how you like to encode and I can help you create a preset.

Thanks for your reply.

I am currently mostly making HEVC mkv containers (thanks to jdobbs for the HEVC implementation) from my Blu-rays, so it is now a common situation to have both an eng DTS-HD or Dolby True HD track + a hun DD 5.1 track with a bitrate of 640 kbit/s to be reencoded. Generally, I would keep the hun track as it is (which is 448 kbit/s or 640kbit/s on the BD) without reencoding and the same I would do with the 640 kbit/s AC3 core for True HD sources. I would reencode the DTS HD track to AC3 640 kbit/s. This would be my aim.

[gonca]

Sounds like you want aType=0
aBitrate=640

[CV91913]

If you want, just tell me how you like to encode and I can help you create a preset.
I have been having trouble with audio on mp4 output, so thought I would take you up on your offer.

I have at least one mobile device that only likes stereo AAC audio tracks. It spits up blood on AC3. So I have been using the following preset:
[00039]
caption=BD to MP4, 1280x720, Stereo-AAC
vBitrate=2500
aBitrate=256
aType=1
vFormat=4
cType=5

This preset does provide AAC stereo audio but no matter what I set aBitrate to, it always comes out at about 164. I have tried 256 and 320, neither work. Is it because aBitrate does not work with AAC?

Thanks...

[gonca]

I don't use AAC so I have to assume it has to do with Variable Bitrate settings, and your program reporting an average bitrate.
If your mobile device is a tablet, try 128Kbps AAC.

[CV91913]

I don't use AAC so I have to assume it has to do with Variable Bitrate settings, and your program reporting an average bitrate.
If your mobile device is a tablet, try 128Kbps AAC.
I don't want a lower audio bitrate, I would like it to be approx 256. BTW, the problem mobile device is a windows phone, my tab handles AC3 just fine.

[gonca]

The 128 Kbps remark was only for space saving. What AAC encoder are you using?

[CV91913]

The 128 Kbps remark was only for space saving. What AAC encoder are you using?
I am not sure, I have ffdshow installed. I just use defaults. Am not sure how I would set an audio encoder.

[jdobbs]

I am not sure, I have ffdshow installed. I just use defaults. Am not sure how I would set an audio encoder.By default it is FAAC. You can also use Nero AAC encoder. It is free, but cannot be redistributed -- so you'd have to download it separately to use it.

[mparade]

Is FORCED_SUB_LANG=s hiddenopt working correctly both by a general subtitle track that has several items which are flagged as forced and with a separated subtitle track that only has forced subs which are flagged as forced?

Thank you very much for the answer.

[gonca]

I have been having trouble with audio on mp4 output, so thought I would take you up on your offer.

I have at least one mobile device that only likes stereo AAC audio tracks. It spits up blood on AC3. So I have been using the following preset:
[00039]
caption=BD to MP4, 1280x720, Stereo-AAC
vBitrate=2500
aBitrate=256
aType=1
vFormat=4
cType=5

This preset does provide AAC stereo audio but no matter what I set aBitrate to, it always comes out at about 164. I have tried 256 and 320, neither work. Is it because aBitrate does not work with AAC?

Thanks...

I just tried a quick test encode, it appears that the 256 k in your audio bitrate is the maximum and the 163-164 K is the average in a variable bitrate encode

[CV91913]

I just tried a quick test encode, it appears that the 256 k in your audio bitrate is the maximum and the 163-164 K is the average in a variable bitrate encode
Thanks for testing my presets. I guess what I am seeing is an average but that average does not seem to increase if I increase aBitrate to 320. Oh well, not a big deal.

[gonca]

The low average bit rate might have to do with the complexity of the audio track. Different tracks might have different average bitrates, some higher some lower

[sparkyar]

my english sucks, sorry :)

Hi jdobbs, maybe Im asking too much but would it be possible to have an option under the "Audio Encoding Options" to only keep HD Audio for the main audio track?

for example...

If I want to keep intact the main DTS-HD english audio track, but I want to encode the french DTS-HD and commentary DTS tracks to AC3.

An option like "Only Keep HD Audio for First/Main track" or "Keep First/Main Audio intact" would do ;)

Anyways... THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO BD REBUILDER!

[Blurayhd]

Hi jdobbs, hope you´re well, i was thinking about if you can make some button just for do "clic" "Pause" and "Continue" some job on any Bd rebuiler process? An example, i currently ripping some bluray movie and i have to stop temporaly the job but i don´t want to miss all the process, so, if there just could be a button to pause temporaly and later continue, that will perfect. I´ll wonder if you can do that button.

Dear jdobbs, can be this possible?

Anyway thank you for your time!!

[Sharc]

Hi jdobbs, hope you´re well, i was thinking about if you can make some button just for do "clic" "Pause" and "Continue" some job on any Bd rebuiler process? An example, i currently ripping some bluray movie and i have to stop temporaly the job but i don´t want to miss all the process, so, if there just could be a button to pause temporaly and later continue, that will perfect. I´ll wonder if you can do that button.

Dear jdobbs, can be this possible?

Anyway thank you for your time!!
You can do this already now:
When you cancel / abort a running job and restart BD-RB it will ask if you want to start from scratch or if you want to resume (continue) the prevoius job.

[Blurayhd]

You can do this already now:
When you cancel / abort a running job and restart BD-RB it will ask if you want to start from scratch or if you want to resume (continue) the prevoius job.

Thank you sharc, yes, but if I cancel any job for example in the middle (of the time line of process) and when I just resume, the job just start from the beginning.

For example, if right now I´m reencoding some movie Reencoding: VID_00001 and the time left is about 3hs but I do cancel that and later resume that, the entire process of that file will start from the beginning and i´ll lose the hours of entire jobs. You know what I mean?

I mean about some button to resume the file job just where it was canceled

[omegaman7]

Thank you sharc, yes, but if I cancel any job for example in the middle (of the time line of process) and when I just resume, the job just start from the beginning.

For example, if right now I´m reencoding some movie Reencoding: VID_00001 and the time left is about 3hs but I do cancel that and later resume that, the entire process of that file will start from the beginning and i´ll lose the hours of entire jobs. You know what I mean?

I mean about some button to resume the file job just where it was canceled

That's been requested several times. I don't recall the exact answer, but designing the program to do that, is either impossible, or extremely difficult. And even if it is possible, pausing is highly ill-advised. It could cause artifacts(or a multitude of glitches) in the encode. Plus now, he'd be coding for multiple decoders/encoders. I sure wouldn't want the task lol.

[DoctorM]

Are there plans for separate output and work directories? I saw it requested on this thread, but nothing after that.

ATM the final copy/building is pretty slow and HDD intensive since it copies it all happens on the same drive.

[Lathe]

Are there plans for separate output and work directories? I saw it requested on this thread, but nothing after that.

ATM the final copy/building is pretty slow and HDD intensive since it copies it all happens on the same drive.

Something that helps capitalize on this is if you can afford to thrown an SSD drive in your computer, then all the reading / writing / processing done on that disc usually goes SIGNIFICANTLY faster!

I took the plunge here about 6 months ago and bought a Samsung EVO 250 Gig SSD. It was only about $120 or so (Amazon) and I now ALWAYS make sure that I rip to that drive and do ALL processing on it. I try to use it exclusively if possible for MKVMerge, TSMuxer, BDRB, or any re-encoding of any kind. It REALLY saves a lot of time!

Secondarily, if you wanted to, you COULD abort BDRB right after it finishes the encode and just before or just after the start of the rebuilding phase. Then, simply use TSMuxer (which BDRB likely uses anyway) and output to a different conventional HDD if you want. That would spare you what you are talking about, which would be reading / writing / and rebuilding using the same physical drive.

Hope that helps somewhat...

[gonca]

Are there plans for separate output and work directories? I saw it requested on this thread, but nothing after that.

ATM the final copy/building is pretty slow and HDD intensive since it copies it all happens on the same drive.

HIDDEN_OPTS

OUTPUT_FOLDER=n, where n must exist

[Lathe]

HIDDEN_OPTS

OUTPUT_FOLDER=n, where n must exist

Oh, nice. I wasn't aware of that :)

[jdobbs]

It really doesn't save much time though...

[DoctorM]

HIDDEN_OPTS

OUTPUT_FOLDER=n, where n must exist

Cheers. Can't wait to try that. Does BD Rebuilder create a subdirectory with the BD's name or does it place the BDMV folder directly in the OUTPUT_FOLDER path?

[Ch3vr0n]

It uses the disc volume name as visible in the bdrb window

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 met Tapatalk

[jdobbs]

It uses the disc volume name as visible in the bdrb window

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 met TapatalkOr the name of the folder holding the BDMV subfolder when encoding from a hard drive.

[DoctorM]

Cool. Then using the Desktop would an ideal directory.

[jdobbs]

As long as you create a folder on the desktop that has a meaningful name. I, myself, just create working folders on the drive that make it easy to access. (Ex: D:\WORKING\MOVIENAME\BDMV\...)

[DoctorM]

That actually brings me to another request. Could outputted discs have an extension added to denote it's the re-encoded disc?

I've occasionally wanted to use the same input and output location, but then the original disc would be overwritten.
Ex.: Source: c:\WORKING\MovieName, Output: c:\WORKING\MovieName_BDRB

[jdobbs]

That actually brings me to another request. Could outputted discs have an extension added to denote it's the re-encoded disc?

I've occasionally wanted to use the same input and output location, but then the original disc would be overwritten.
Ex.: Source: c:\WORKING\MovieName, Output: c:\WORKING\MovieName_BDRBI could probably add a hidden option, but I don't think it would be used very often.

[DoctorM]

I tested my first Quick Play menu today and thought it looked good. I was surprised that the selections were all top justified with a lot of empty space below it.

I understand dynamically sizing the overlay region where the text appears is probably not simple, but I wouldn't mind seeing the text centered vertically within it.

[jdobbs]

I tested my first Quick Play menu today and thought it looked good. I was surprised that the selections were all top justified with a lot of empty space below it.

I understand dynamically sizing the overlay region where the text appears is probably not simple, but I wouldn't mind seeing the text centered vertically within it.I tested that -- and it looked pretty ugly when it was centered vertically, especially when there were only a few items.

[AmigaFuture]

I know time cannot be saved or banked, so to me OUTPUT_FOLDER=p is a sweet option for a different target drive other than directory on the same drive.

The look of the Quick-Play menu is really useful with its features. A very sweet bonus is, and respect to multiAVCHD, you didn't force, or make by default any automatic music/noises. The only thing I'd like to see added, but don't expect it, would be an option for chapters. That way either a movie from Alternate MKV or...iDevice movies could have chapters. From a programmers view, I can see where that might be a lot more code than you might be willing to add. LOL!

[jdobbs]

I know time cannot be saved or banked, so to me OUTPUT_FOLDER=p is a sweet option for a different target drive other than directory on the same drive.

The look of the Quick-Play menu is really useful with its features. A very sweet bonus is, and respect to multiAVCHD, you didn't force, or make by default any automatic music/noises. The only thing I'd like to see added, but don't expect it, would be an option for chapters. That way either a movie from Alternate MKV or...iDevice movies could have chapters. From a programmers view, I can see where that might be a lot more code than you might be willing to add. LOL!Not sure I know what you mean... but if you are backing up a disc (BD) to MKV or MP4 -- chapters are already maintained.

[Sharc]

Quick-menu: The possibility to select the audio language would be useful. I can always select it via the remote but the procedure is different with every brand of TV/remote.

[AmigaFuture]

Not sure I know what you mean... but if you are backing up a disc (BD) to MKV or MP4 -- chapters are already maintained.

Mmm...I thought in context to Quick-Play is was clear. Okay, shall have another go: From the Quick-Play Menu, displayed through BD Player a generic button for "Chapters" for a single movie. Activating the button would then cause a new menu to display and display chapters. Maybe in pre-defined time segments? In picture form or text and pictures or only text. "Chapter 1" etc.

If chapters already exist, then chapters are made from the chapter data within the MKV/MP4. I'm not meaning making chapters FOR the movie..I'm meaning make chapters for Chapters Menu. A generic menu.

[jdobbs]

Mmm...I thought in context to Quick-Play is was clear. Okay, shall have another go: From the Quick-Play Menu, displayed through BD Player a generic button for "Chapters" for a single movie. Activating the button would then cause a new menu to display and display chapters. Maybe in pre-defined time segments? In picture form or text and pictures or only text. "Chapter 1" etc.

If chapters already exist, then chapters are made from the chapter data within the MKV/MP4. I'm not meaning making chapters FOR the movie..I'm meaning make chapters for Chapters Menu. A generic menu.Oh, I see what you mean. You're asking for a chapter menu. That wasn't clear in your first post.

If I decided to do a PRO version, one of the things I'd considered was a lot of extended authoring capability. You know, a way to edit/customize menus, etc. -- that might be something I could consider there.

[AmigaFuture]

It was clear to me ( :) ), but...I can, upon reading it from less distraction...2nd is more so. It's cool. If you're willing...only a hope. Otherwise, the program has surpassed all of my past expectations.

[Dandimite]

is it possible to add a feature, in which hd-audio is kept only for the main movie? i do have some discs whith extras containing pcm audio, which would be fine in AC3
thanks, Dandimite

[DoctorM]

It's been previously requested by me (and IIRC seconded), the ability to right-click a VID and like "Blank this item", select "Do not reencode this item".

I like to do this with discs where the movie fits fine untouched on a BD25 with a few GB left over that I can compress the menus and bonus features into. (I remember doing this often with DVD Shrink back in the day).

Since it currently isn't possible (and I don't think on the 'To Do List'), I have on occasionally manually created this sort of disc by generating 2 discs, one with the untouched feature, and one re-encoded using a custom disc size then manually putting the two discs together.

The only drawback is that any custom size less than a BD25 has its max bitrate capped at 15mbps (AVCHD spec), even if strict isn't used. That's a shame since I copy it into a BD25 disc later.

Is there currently a way (hidden feature or something) to have BD-RB use full BD specs for discs under BD25 or at least when using a custom output size?

[Ch3vr0n]

@Jdobbs:

- Would it be possible to add a menu entry under "Help" or something to open the log? Kind of like IMGBurn can, but open it directly in the associated program. IMGburn just opens the folder. That way if the user wants to open the log, (s)he doesn't have to go dig to the working folder to find it. It can be accessed from within bdrb

- Would it be possible to add a menu entry under "Help" or something to erase the saved log

- Would it be possible to add erasing functionality to the "log" tab; reason for this is that i often run multiple encodes after another (but don't always use the batch), so after 1 job finishes i manually navigate to the 2nd one, do what needs to be done (blanking wise) then launch it. However, then the log tab still shows the previous encode info. Personally, i'd rather only have the log tab show the log for the current encode. So it sort of starts with a "fresh" tab every job.

Oh and something i've been wondering lately. Whats the difference between having "verbose status reporting" enabled and disabled?

[jdobbs]

Oh and something i've been wondering lately. Whats the difference between having "verbose status reporting" enabled and disabled?The verbose option reports some things in the log that non-verbose does not. You just reminded me -- I've been meaning to remove that as an option (and only use verbose) for some time now.

[Ch3vr0n]

lol, glad i help as your reminder assistant. That only leaves the feature requests. If and how you implement them is up to you (but i hope you will)

[Sharc]

......The only drawback is that any custom size less than a BD25 has its max bitrate capped at 15mbps (AVCHD spec), even if strict isn't used. That's a shame since I copy it into a BD25 disc later.....

Just wondering if the capped 15Mbps are really a practical limitation, because it only applies to heavily compressed extras once you keep the main feature untouched.

[jdobbs]

Just wondering if the capped 15Mbps are really a practical limitation, because it only applies to heavily compressed extras once you keep the main feature untouched. You can't keep the main feature untouched on BD-5/9. It would violate the disc's maximum speed.

[DoctorM]

You can't keep the main feature untouched on BD-5/9. It would violate the disc's maximum speed.

Indeed, and I understand that's why you set it up like that. I know you don't want people encoding in one size to be copied to another size because of (likely) self-inflicted problems.

But then what is the purpose of 'Custom Target Size'? Each disc size can already be adjusted manually by the hidden BDXX_Size=.

I would think Custom Size would function in a manner that BD specs are applied unless 'Strict AVCHD' is enabled and then AVCHD limits engaged. Of course the problem there is Strict AVCHD applies to movie-only rebuilds.

I don't know how useful a hidden option like CUSTOMTARGET_MAXBITRATE=n would be to other people.
Mind you I was only asking because I thought there might already be such an option.

Of course, I only really just need the ability to not re-encode specific VIDs. So that would have my preference for an added feature.

Edit: @Sharc - Even at lower average bitrates, the ability to peak higher can still improve quality. I think practicality doesn't enter into it, just AVCHD specs.

[jdobbs]

I don't agree at all.

Custom Target Size has any of a few thousand possible uses. The hidden options you mention are for advanced users, and are hidden for a reason. They aren't meant to be changed except when someone wants to "stretch" or "limit" the target a little.

Strict AVCHD is meant for a specific group of players that have limitations in the file structure they will accept.

It just makes sense that when someone creates a disc to fit on something smaller than 8.5GB -- you can assume it is BD-5/9 since there is no BD-R smaller than BD-25.

[omegaman7]

Please forgive Jdobbs, but that's not entirely accurate. There are mini BD-R 7.5GB discs. Those would fall under an interesting set of circumstances(Their disc speed would handle higher bitrates). But those are rather expensive. Who would backup movies to HD cam Discs? Frankly, most my backups end up on hard drives. Only my more precious backups end up on reliable BD-R.

[jdobbs]

Please forgive Jdobbs, but that's not entirely accurate. There are mini BD-R 7.5GB discs. Those would fall under an interesting set of circumstances(Their disc speed would handle higher bitrates). But those are rather expensive. Who would backup movies to HD cam Discs? Frankly, most my backups end up on hard drives. Only my more precious backups end up on reliable BD-R.Exactly. Those are specialized for recording on camera. So from you PC all you'd do is read. Only a crazy person would backup their movies to a $16 7.5GB specialized disc.

[DoctorM]

Understood. Again, I was largely asking if it was already implemented since there are a lot of other hidden features that seem to venture into extreme tweaking.

[jdobbs]

Understood. Again, I was largely asking if it was already implemented since there are a lot of other hidden features that seem to venture into extreme tweaking.I'll see how hard it would be to add a hidden option that will override the BD-5/9 limitations.

I hesitate though... the majority of people who create self-inflicted problems don't understand enough to know that it is self-inflicted. But they think they do (Toilet-Duck comes to mind). They just tell their friends and post in forums that BD-RB creates a disc that skips, freezes, and has problems. They always seem to leave out the "I set a hidden option that caused it" part.

[HWK]

I'll see how hard it would be to add a hidden option that will override the BD-5/9 limitations.

I hesitate though... the majority of people who create self-inflicted problems don't understand enough to know that it is self-inflicted. But they think they do (Toilet-Duck comes to mind). They just tell their friends and post in forums that BD-RB creates a disc that skips, freezes, and has problems. They always seem to leave out the "I set a hidden option that caused it" part.

Sadly yes, to make more interesting they don' t want to cooperate. As you may know by experience and expect us to be mind reader some how.

.

[DoctorM]

Has anyone asked about a "Play All" button for the quick play menus?

[Lathe]

Has anyone asked about a "Play All" button for the quick play menus?

I think YOU just did! :)

[DoctorM]

I was playing around with a Disney animated film today. Like many of them, there are multiple playlists for the movie for different languages. The movie itself then covers multiple M2TS files some of which are non-English.

BD Rebuilder cannot currently blank linked playlists because some segments are used on more than one list. If BD RB allowed individual segments in a linked playlist to be blanked there is likely to be nothing but problems.

Manually I can extract just the version of the movie I want using TsMuxer (which makes the movie a single M2TS file), copy the new M2TS and English playlist over all the language versions (to catch any errors), copy the CLIPINF and BACKUP data, and delete all the now unreferenced segments. In the case of the disc I'm working on, it saves more than 3gb before doing a rebuild.

I'd love BD Rebuilder to be able to do the same thing, but it seems near impossible without it being rewritten to select by playlists.

I guess mostly, out of curiosity, I wanted to know why BD RB works by vid streams rather than playlists.

[Lowpro]

I tested my first Quick Play menu today and thought it looked good. I was surprised that the selections were all top justified with a lot of empty space below it.

I understand dynamically sizing the overlay region where the text appears is probably not simple, but I wouldn't mind seeing the text centered vertically within it.

I've been creating background images for my Quick-Play discs which take into account the overlay area. I'll add graphical text across the top which I center up between the top and where I know the overlay area will begin. I'll then give the background a title treatment which I place at the bottom ensuring that it's placed in such a way that once the overlay is displayed the title treatment doesn't run outside the overlay area. Gives the Top Menu a nice finished looked. A perfect example of this can be seen below per the discs I worked up for "AHS: Coven". (Click on the preview images below to view the full 1920x1080 screen captures.)

https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/bdrb_ahs_s3_d1_menu_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/bdrb_ahs_s3_d1_menu.jpg)

https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/bdrb_ahs_s3_d2_menu_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/bdrb_ahs_s3_d2_menu.jpg)

https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/bdrb_ahs_s3_d3_menu_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/bdrb_ahs_s3_d3_menu.jpg)

Additional examples per some of the background images I've worked up can be found here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1688399#post1688399).

[DoctorM]

I was watching a few BDs lately with LPCM audio tracks and thinking that the only step down for this in BDRB is 640kbps DD.

Anyway, does anyone know if ffmpeg's E-AC3 encoding is mature enough to be a reasonable BD-RB feature request?
I know it doesn't yet support 7.1, but Dolby Plus would still be a pretty good option between 16/48 640kbps DD and full lossless.

[jdobbs]

I guess mostly, out of curiosity, I wanted to know why BD RB works by vid streams rather than playlists.Because they are the highest independent/unique level. If you step up to playlists, you may have a single M2TS that exists in 20 (or 500) different playlists. Playlists are ok if you are are doing nothing but movie-only -- but they break down for full backups. In the streams list they wouldn't represent truly what is being done and could only lead to confusion. Even if you displayed them -- you'd still have to work at the M2TS/CLPI level when you reencode and rebuild, so in my mind its better to show reality.

[DoctorM]

Ah good point. I hadn't thought of multiple references to the same M2TS. Thinking about it MultiAVCHD handles it by playlist and warns you that a change effects another playlist and that does make for awkwardness.

[Lathe]

Ah good point. I hadn't thought of multiple references to the same M2TS. Thinking about it MultiAVCHD handles it by playlist and warns you that a change effects another playlist and that does make for awkwardness.

FWIW, I used MultiAVCHD for a long time; it was a great program. But, it was getting SO outdated and hadn't been updated since like 2010.

I am SO thankful that I have in time learned to do just about EVERYTHING I need with BDRB! So, that I don't have to rely on that once great, but outdated program now :)

I LOVE how JD has gone to such lengths to allow us to do SO much with BDRB, including adding AVS script, x264 tweaks, etc.

I remember the day when I was able to learn how to utilize BDRB more fully and FINALLY leave MultiAVCHD behind.

WONDERFUL! :D

[jdobbs]

FWIW, I used MultiAVCHD for a long time; it was a great program. But, it was getting SO outdated and hadn't been updated since like 2010.

I am SO thankful that I have in time learned to do just about EVERYTHING I need with BDRB! So, that I don't have to rely on that once great, but outdated program now :)

I LOVE how JD has gone to such lengths to allow us to do SO much with BDRB, including adding AVS script, x264 tweaks, etc.

I remember the day when I was able to learn how to utilize BDRB more fully and FINALLY leave MultiAVCHD behind.

WONDERFUL! :DDeank is a good guy. In the early days of BD backups we exchanged information back-and-forth about formats, etc. I'm not sure what happened to him. But my guess is that he discovered (like anyone who has tried it) that "freeware with donations" isn't a very good business model. It's roughly equivalent to a newspaper route. ;)

[jdobbs]

@Lowpro

Nice looking menus. If there was one thing you wished was different (or better) about the way BD-RB created menus, what would it be?

[Capsbackup]

@Lowpro

Nice looking menus. If there was one thing you wished was different (or better) about the way BD-RB created menus, what would it be?

The ability to move the menu buttons to a selectable location on the screen? ;)

[Lathe]

Deank is a good guy. In the early days of BD backups we exchanged information back-and-forth about formats, etc. I'm not sure what happened to him. But my guess is that he discovered (like anyone who has tried it) that "freeware with donations" isn't a very good business model. It's roughly equivalent to a newspaper route. ;)

Sorry, I just got this (don't know why my cookies or whatever keep disappearing) Yeah, he really seems like a very sharp guy. But, you are likely quite right since you yourself have unfortunately had to deal with this :(

[meadrocks]

This is just a question, not a feature request. I output the movie to a .mkv, 1920x1080, auto-aac, auto-GOP. I see 2 output options, with & without auto-gop, what is auto-gop?

[jdobbs]

auto-gop will set the GOP (Group Of Pictures) size to 10x the framerate, setting a keyframe every 10 seconds or so. Typically (for example in BD) you'll see shorter gop sizes. This gives greater efficiency.

[meadrocks]

auto-gop is a .mp4 option, not mkv, my bad.

[jdobbs]

It's available for both MKV and MP4.

[meadrocks]

It's available for both MKV and MP4.

I don't see a mkv container, 1920x1080, auto-gop, auto-aac option. Do I need to enable a hidden option?

[jdobbs]

I don't see a mkv container, 1920x1080, auto-gop, auto-aac option. Do I need to enable a hidden option?Look at the ALTERNATE.TXT file in the MISC folder of BD-RB. You can edit it and create/remove whatever presets you want. The ones that are there were just defaults that I created (common output formats) -- they also show how it works.

[SquallMX]

An hidden option to keep the x264 metadata would be nice for those of Us who want to remember the settings used on a specific disc :).

[Lathe]

An hidden option to keep the x264 metadata would be nice for those of Us who want to remember the settings used on a specific disc :).

I'm not sure if you mean the x264 settings, but after the encode is done, all you need to do is go into the Workfiles folder and right-click on the .264 file (video file) and MediaInfo will give you all the x264 parameters. You are correct that once the re-encode is placed inside the BDMV folder as m2ts file(s) you cannot read the x264 settings then, but you can read the raw .264 file before it is muxed into the final BDMV folder.

Don't know if that is what you were asking, but I hope it helps...

[Nico8583]

Hi,
Could you explain (or perhaps you have already explained that) what settings are used for MVC 3D encoding ? Is there a choice for video quality ? Is it possible to keep original 3D depth for subtitles ? And is it possible to create MKV with AVC/MVC video track (like MakeMKV) or 3D MVC is only for BD9/BD25 ?
Thanks !

[Sharc]

Hi,
Could you explain (or perhaps you have already explained that) what settings are used for MVC 3D encoding ? Is there a choice for video quality ? Is it possible to keep original 3D depth for subtitles ? And is it possible to create MKV with AVC/MVC video track (like MakeMKV) or 3D MVC is only for BD9/BD25 ?
Thanks !
So what is your feature request .... ?
(This is the feature request thread)

[Nico8583]

So what is your feature request .... ?
(This is the feature request thread)
My features requests are :
- Add a quality choice for 3D if not available
- Add original 3D depth support if not available
- Add MVC support into MKV if not available
But these features requests need a response to my questions ;)

[Sharc]

My features requests are :
- Add a quality choice for 3D if not available
- Add original 3D depth support if not available
- Add MVC support into MKV if not available
But these features requests need a response to my questions ;)
Isn't the 3D MKV packing as used by MakeMKV very specific or even proprietary? I can only playback these files in 3D using Stereoscopic Player. Neither my TV nor my standalone recognize this format and play it as 2D only.

You can produce 3D MKV as SBS with DB-RB, or MVC in blu-ray compliant .m2ts container (in-muxed as single .m2ts file) but not as mkv AFAIK.

[jdobbs]

My features requests are :
- Add a quality choice for 3D if not available
- Add original 3D depth support if not available
- Add MVC support into MKV if not available
But these features requests need a response to my questions ;)1. The quality setting works the same as for 2D. You choose it under SETTINGS/ENCODE SETTINGS.
2. The 3D depth is left unchanged from the original. So that is already there.
3. I wasn't aware an MKV supported MVC. I'll have to check that out. Right now only SBS output to MKV is supported.

[Edit] Just read Sharc's post. That may be a factor for #3.

[Nico8583]

1. The quality setting works the same as for 2D. You choose it under SETTINGS/ENCODE SETTINGS.
2. The 3D depth is left unchanged from the original. So that is already there.
3. I wasn't aware an MKV supported MVC. I'll have to check that out. Right now only SBS output to MKV is supported.

[Edit] Just read Sharc's post. That may be a factor for #3.
Thank you ;)
1 - I believed settings under settings/encode settings was only for x264. So is it possible to choose 2 pass or only ABR ?
2 - 3D depth for subtitles is include in MVC stream, so it's lost during encode
3 - MVC is not supported officialy, I have asked to Matroska if it will be added a long time ago but it was at the end of their to-do list, so it seems to not be implemented. I have never tried to play MVC MKV but I would try it.

[jdobbs]

1. No, you can't choose 2 pass. The Intel SDK doesn't support 2 pass encoding.
2. You didn't say anything about subtitles. I'm working on that.
3. If it isn't supported officially -- then I can't support it until it does. Standards are there for a reason.

[Sharc]

Thank you ;)
3 - MVC is not supported officialy, I have asked to Matroska if it will be added a long time ago but it was at the end of their to-do list, so it seems to not be implemented. I have never tried to play MVC MKV but I would try it.
The muxing format is left-right interleaved as far as I know. There exist free muxing tools which produce the format profile "Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1" which is probably somewhere standardized. The bigger problem may be with the players supporting this profile.

[Nico8583]

Thanks !

[Sharc]

Here is the 3D Muxer "DGMVCCombine.exe" from Donald Graft:

http://rationalqm.us/mine.html

Edit:
You can mux the base and dependent view with Donald's tool and pack into .mkv container using mkvmerge. It puts the left-right interleaved stereo file into the .mkv container.
Seems to be the same as what you would get with MakeMKV.

[Nico8583]

Thanks, I'll try if my TV can read MVC into MKV (it can read MVC into M2TS so perhaps)

[Sharc]

I'll look at it.
Did you have a look at it, and if so, any conclusions?

[jdobbs]

Did you have a look at it, and if so, any conclusions?No, I haven't. I apparently didn't add it to my to-do list. I'll see what I can do this week if I find some time.

[Sharc]

No, I haven't. I apparently didn't add it to my to-do list. I'll see what I can do this week if I find some time.
No rush. I thought it could perhaps also serve as a quality based 2-pass encoding.

[jdobbs]

Did you have a look at it, and if so, any conclusions?Ok. I've implemented an automatic second pass when one-pass CRF encodes are over the target size more than 2%. Does that sound about right based on your experience? Too strict? Too loose?

[Sharc]

Ok. I've implemented an automatic second pass when one-pass CRF encodes are over the target size more than 2%. Does that sound about right based on your experience? Too strict? Too loose?
I think the 2% should be fine considering that BD-RB's default target size is about 98% of the disc capacity.
(Would a lower limit make sense as well e.g. when the CRF encode is under the target size of say -15%?)

[jdobbs]

I think the 2% should be fine considering that BD-RB's default target size is about 98% of the disc capacity.
(Would a lower limit make sense as well e.g. when the CRF encode is under the target size of say -15%?)Yeah, there could be a lower limit too. I have to be careful with that, though. There are times when the maximum allowable bitrate can be a limiting factor (e.g. BD-5).

[Sharc]

Yeah, there could be a lower limit too. I have to be careful with that, though. There are times when the maximum allowable bitrate can be a limiting factor (e.g. BD-5).
Ah yes, I didn't think of that pitfall. Undersize is the harmless case anyway. So no need to overcomplicate this.

[Sharc]

The time for 2-pass encoding could be significantly shortened by reducing the frame resolution for the first pass, still preserving the file-size accuracy of a 2-pass encode.
I did some initial tests by including "ReduceBy2()" in the script for pass 1 (producing the .stats file) which halved the time for pass 1 at least.
Quality-wise I found the final result clearly superior to 1-pass ABR, and for exceptionally demanding scenes (like fading noise) I found it to be slightly inferior compared to a normal 2-pass encode. I have found no major flaws for "normal" scenes so far.
Has anyone done similar tests? Would this possibly be a candidate for a hidden option?

Edit:
HorizontalReduceBy2() already brings a significant speed benefit for the 1st pass and seems to produce almost identical visual quality as a regular 2 pass encode.

[Lathe]

The time for 2-pass encoding could be significantly shortened by reducing the frame resolution for the first pass, still preserving the file-size accuracy of a 2-pass encode.
I did some initial tests by including "ReduceBy2()" in the script for pass 1 (producing the .stats file) which halved the time for pass 1 at least.
Quality-wise I found the final result clearly superior to 1-pass ABR, and for exceptionally demanding scenes (like fading noise) I found it to be slightly inferior compared to a normal 2-pass encode. I have found no major flaws for "normal" scenes so far.
Has anyone done similar tests? Would this possibly be a candidate for a hidden option?

Edit:
HorizontalReduceBy2() already brings a significant speed benefit for the 1st pass and seems to produce almost identical visual quality as a regular 2 pass encode.

Hmmm... that is quite intriguing... You really did not notice any discernable difference in picture quality? Is this being referenced on a large screen and with moderately demanding source material...?

[Sharc]

Comparing the "shortcut" version with the "regular" 2-pass encode:
PSNR is 42....46 dB for the vast majority of frames. This is without black borders which would bias the result positively.

[jdobbs]

Comparing the "shortcut" version with the "regular" 2-pass encode:
PSNR is 42....46 dB for the vast majority of frames. This is without black borders which would bias the result positively.What is the PSNR for an identical encode with a normal first pass?

[Sharc]

What is the PSNR for an identical encode with a normal first pass?
You mean compared to the blu-ray original as reference?

[jdobbs]

I mean if you did a normal 2 pass encode, then ran PSNR comparison against the original -- and then did the same encode with the reduceby2 first pass, how would the resulting PSNR values compare.

[Sharc]

ok, understood. I will be back soon ......

[Sharc]

I mean if you did a normal 2 pass encode, then ran PSNR comparison against the original -- and then did the same encode with the reduceby2 first pass, how would the resulting PSNR values compare.

Here some results for PSNR (on frame base)

a. Very demanding scene (10 worst frames):
- Normal 2-pass vs. original: 33.4.... 38.4 dB
- reduceby2 vs. original: 33.8 ....38.2 dB

b. Average...quiet scene (20 frames):
- Normal 2-pass vs. original: 49.7 ... 52.4 dB
- reduceby2 vs. original: 50.2 ... 52.6 dB (!)

c. Overall PSNR (total 8000 frames)
- Normal 2-pass vs. original: 46.23 dB
- reduceby2 vs. original: 46.10 dB

[jdobbs]

That's interesting. I don't think those differences are significant enough to even matter.

[Sharc]

Reasons could perhaps be
- that the distribution of I,P and B frames (.stats file) depends on the temporal sequence rather than on the resolution of the picture
- many blu-ray sources have a true resolution which is closer to 1280x720 than 1920x1080.

[musiclover]

Is there a way to put a "play all" button on a quick-play menu?

[jdobbs]

Is there a way to put a "play all" button on a quick-play menu?I can look at it. If it doesn't look to create other issues I can do it.

[musiclover]

I can look at it. If it doesn't look to create other issues I can do it.

Thanx. That would be nice.

[DoctorM]

@jdobbs - Have you been following the eac3to discussion about adding libdcadec.dll as an alternative to Arcsoft's DTS decoder?
Apparently it is free, open source, and lacks the bugs inherent to Arsoft's decoder.
Early days, but it might be worth following: https://github.com/foo86/dcadec

[omegaman7]

Would it not be possible to have BD-Rebuilder report the internal audio chunk sizes? In my case, it should report 4.94GB for the LPCM audio. I imagine BD-Rebuilder would be better than mediainfo, since its softare is significantly more complex ;)
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/omegaman7/MIBDRB_zpsukg8auhc.jpg

[DoctorM]

"Quick_CRF" lets you set the value for quick extra encoding, but it might be nice to be able to set separate CRF values for different resolutions.

A disc I'm working on now has many bonus features that are carry overs from DVD and are high bitrate SD mpeg2.

A CRF of 20 is good for anything 1080p, but worse for 480p. But still, using a CRF value is a better idea in this case since using the same percentage compression as the movie on an extra going from mpeg2 to x264 is a waste of space.

Oooh, or simply an option to 'steal space from mpeg2 video' since AVC is more efficient?

[jdobbs]

A given CRF value should translate across resolutions. The perceived quality should be the same, with only the size of the output file changing.

Creating a greater compression ratio for MPEG-2-->AVC (as compared to that of AVC/VC-1-->AVC) might be a good idea.

[sneaker_ger]

A given CRF value should translate across resolutions. The perceived quality should be the same, with only the size of the output file changing.
Not really since you usually end up resizing them to the same screen size.

[jdobbs]

Not really since you usually end up resizing them to the same screen size.I would disagree. I assume you mean playback resizing... but you'd get that difference even before you reencoded. I would stand by my original statement, but I would add "relative to the original".

[Sharc]

I would disagree. I assume you mean playback resizing... but you'd get that difference even before you reencoded. I would stand by my original statement, but I would add "relative to the original".
Hmmm... I remember there have been some discussions on this in the past. The general consensus was that for lower resolutions CRF should indeed be reduced for similar viewing quality. If I remember correctly it has to do with the relative size of the compression artefacts which is higher for a small picture.

[DoctorM]

Not really since you usually end up resizing them to the same screen size.

That's how I've always heard it. Standard definition artifacts get magnified, where as HD artifacts are minimized by increased resolution.

I can't say I've seen an authoritative source on it, but in my experience I find lower CRF are usually needed for SD material.

[Sharc]

That's interesting. I don't think those differences are significant enough to even matter.
I found this link in my notes:
http://git.videolan.org/gitweb.cgi?p=x264.git;a=commit;h=0ba8a9c6973897ec35e1a5d241a71f4f5a4f81aa

[sneaker_ger]

That commit is unrelated, it's for multipass encoding.

[Sharc]

That commit is unrelated, it's for multipass encoding.
Yes, but I refer to the suggestion I made a few post before to accelerate pass1 by doing it with a lower resolution.

[sneaker_ger]

Ah, sorry.

Also see this then:
http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=commit;h=dea5d7a54b5ba948ed71d74e0264a2191bcd9815

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... I remember there have been some discussions on this in the past. The general consensus was that for lower resolutions CRF should indeed be reduced for similar viewing quality. If I remember correctly it has to do with the relative size of the compression artefacts which is higher for a small picture.Sure that would be true. The artifacts would be made larger as the picture was made larger. But, of course, that would be true no matter what CRF you used. That is an issue with enlarging any picture -- not in the picture itself. If you look at most of those original DVD MPEG-2 sources you'll find artifacts already there that won't go away with reencoding no matter what CRF value you use. MPEG-2 has inherent limitations.

The obvious downside is that if you lower the CRF of those sources, you're stealing bandwidth from the main feature. I'm not sure whether it is enough to care about -- but then I'm not sure the difference in picture would be enough to worry about either.

But your point is taken. I'm not sure it's something worth arguing about.

[Lathe]

Would it not be possible to have BD-Rebuilder report the internal audio chunk sizes? In my case, it should report 4.94GB for the LPCM audio. I imagine BD-Rebuilder would be better than mediainfo, since its softare is significantly more complex ;)
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/omegaman7/MIBDRB_zpsukg8auhc.jpg

I very much second this idea!

[jdobbs]

You really don't know the exact size until it has been extracted, all you could do is estimate. So it wouldn't be any more accurate than Mediainfo...

[omegaman7]

You really don't know the exact size until it has been extracted, all you could do is estimate. So it wouldn't be any more accurate than Mediainfo...

Well, I had to try :p It's just irritating sometimes. Sometimes DTS is 2GB and other times it's upwards of 4GB.

[Lathe]

Well, I had to try :p It's just irritating sometimes. Sometimes DTS is 2GB and other times it's upwards of 4GB.

That is absolutely true...

[Blurayhd]

Hi jdobbs is possible to add some option for example, when I select the Movie only option, but keep the splash menu? I mean, the main movie starts and through that menu I can set audios and subtitles?

[gonca]

@Blurayhd
Try menu and movie mode

[Blurayhd]

@gonca I'm using this function for a long time and every time I have to check and uncheck features and try the faster encoding (for try what´s happens) the most of times because when I try to play the disc on my bluray device it don´t recognize as a bluray movie or when I do forward to next just can pass it and the device just stop

[jdobbs]

@gonca I'm using this function for a long time and every time I have to check and uncheck features and try the faster encoding (for try what´s happens) the most of times because when I try to play the disc on my bluray device it don´t recognize as a bluray movie or when I do forward to next just can pass it and the device just stopI've never gotten any reports of anything like that.

An alternative is to import the BD. Then BD-RB will create a new menu for you (using the background video from the original BD's menu).

[DoctorM]

After reselecting enabled/disabled video/audio/subtitle tracks for the fourth time tonight for the same project, I realized it would be great if BD RB could remember your Stream settings between changes to options/settings/config instead of resetting everything. I realize that's done to reflect option changes, but most of the time it just makes a lot of work.

Then maybe a menu option to 'reset stream selections" manually to reflect current options.

[TatanScorp]

Will BD-Rebuilder ever have a box for output location like DVD-rebuilder has

[omegaman7]

Will BD-Rebuilder ever have a box for output location like DVD-rebuilder has

Highly unlikely. It would incur longer completion times.

[jdobbs]

Will BD-Rebuilder ever have a box for output location like DVD-rebuilder hasIf, for some reason, you want to output to a different location than the working folder, read the description/usage of the hidden option "OUTPUT_FOLDER" in HIDDENOPTS.TXT.

[DoctorM]

Highly unlikely. It would incur longer completion times.

I wouldn't think so. For those of us still using spinning platters, separate drives allow for faster rebuilds.
I always keep my work folder on a different drive.

[TatanScorp]

Yes, I have four spinning platters.
1. Operating system
2. For movies disks
3. Work Folders
4. Output Folders
Yes I take medication.

[soneca]

I also always used the work folder on another drive, the speed difference is clear.

C - SSD - OS
D - HD - Sources
E - HD - Work folders

[omegaman7]

I wouldn't think so. For those of us still using spinning platters, separate drives allow for faster rebuilds.
I always keep my work folder on a different drive.

I most definitely use 2 separate drives. 3 when counting my OS. But I have several more than that. E.g. R:\source, and S:\output(workfiles)

I'm talking about Working folder, and THEN output folder. The difference would be longer completion times. The way I see it, during rebuild of the workfiles, some files are being muxed, and simply put, changing the directory on the same drive. It's like dragging a file on C to another directory on C. But by moving it to another drive, it would depend on transfer speed.

[jdobbs]

Did you not see my post? That feature is already there.

[Blurayhd]

Hi again Jdobbs I want to ask you if you can add some features/options?

First, (as example) when I disable from some movie audios and subtitles that I don´t want to keep, in the final result, that audios and subtitles registers are there, there´s some posibility you can add or fix that for eliminate those registers?

Second, when I choose the Movie only option I really like to push the button "Splash menu" and see on screen the splash menu for setting up the movie but keeping the movie only. Why that? because in first place I want to start inmediatly the movie and setup this movie with splash menu. Can you do it Jdobbs?

Thank you very much for your time and really hope you can do it!!

[gonca]

The audio and subtitle pointers "issue" has been explained before, They will probably stay as they are.
Splash menu?

[Blurayhd]

The audio and subtitle pointers "issue" has been explained before, They will probably stay as they are.
Splash menu?

Sorry if I not was clear, i meant Popup menu

[jdobbs]

First, (as example) when I disable from some movie audios and subtitles that I don´t want to keep, in the final result, that audios and subtitles registers are there, there´s some posibility you can add or fix that for eliminate those registers? The audio/subtitles you've selected are no longer there. What is there is the choice for those items from menus, the remote, etc. But they now point, via references, to the first audio/subtitle stream you decided to keep.

As I've explained before, when doing a full-backup you are still using the original authoring (it is, after all, a full backup). In that authoring is HDMV or BD-J code that can select/deselect audio and subtitle streams. If you remove the references -- the code (and the disc) can (and likely will) fail to operate after the backup.Why that? because in first place I want to start inmediatly the movie and setup this movie with splash menu.I have no idea what you are asking.

[gonca]

@Blurayhd
If I understand you correctly, what you want is Movie & Menu mode.

[HWK]

Jdobbs,

Could you implement an option to resume from second pass when encoding using X265.

Currently what BD-RB does, it encode pass 1 and then move on pass 2 which is fine. However if it stops on second pass, BD-RB will redo pass 1 and 2 even though data from stats file is there.

Also If I may can I request option to add option to tweak pass 1 and pass 2 separately for X265. Currently it only does for X264 encoder.

[jdobbs]

On normal encodes it will pick up on the second pass and not redo the 1st... what kind of encode are you doing. ALTERNATE, maybe?

[HWK]

On normal encodes it will pick up on the second pass and not redo the 1st... what kind of encode are you doing. ALTERNATE, maybe?

Yes, Jdobbs I am doing alternate ones.

[jdobbs]

Ok. Yeah, I knew that was there. I'll look at it and see what I can do. It's a little different than BD encodes.

[musiclover]

@jdobbs

I seem to remember you mentioning the plan to make an imported dvd convert to blu-ray with working original menu. Alas I could not find this information in this thread. Must be a long time ago.

My question is: Did you indeed have that plan and is it still on your todo list?

[jdobbs]

I don't think that was ever in my plan. I currently get the menu's background sound from the original, and I tested using the original background picture. But unfortunately because DVD has limited overlay capability -- most menus have a lot of "junk" built into the background picture, and I abandoned the idea of using the menu's picture.

I guess I could still look at it, but honestly I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

[musiclover]

I don't think that was ever in my plan. I currently get the menu's background sound from the original, and I tested using the original background picture. But unfortunately because DVD has limited overlay capability -- most menus have a lot of "junk" built into the background picture, and I abandoned the idea of using the menu's picture.

I guess I could still look at it, but honestly I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

My mistake. Please don't waste time on things you know will not work properly. Thanks for your prompt answer.

[SquallMX]

An option to blank multiple items at the same time, some international FOX titles have tons of Legal Warnings and is a PITA to remove them one by one.

[Audiophile1178]

Jdobbs,

Have you gotten a chance to take a look if you could implement the option of not encoding certain vid files which was discussed here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1696672#post1696672


I ask because I'm currently doing The Expendables 3 and I have to encode 1 bonus vid and the main movie vid manually as BDRebuilder is encoding the biggest bonus vid as 2-pass instead of 1-pass. If this option was present it would make things a lot easier to do as this type of problem is fairly common in BDRebuilder when doing full disc backups. In this case I could tell BDRebuilder to not encode the movie and do 1-pass CRF encoding on all the extras for an output bigger than a BD25. After that is done, I'd take that output that BDRebuilder just did and do another round but this time tell BDRebuilder to not encode the extras and only do the main movie as 2-pass for the final size down to a BD25.

As always, thank you very much for this great useful program! :)

[Blurayhd]

Hi dear Jdobbs I was thinking about if you can add an option on Bd rebuilder to convert and extract between audio files without encode?

I mean, and as an example, I have Taken movie and I need to convert the DTS true or DTS HD or simply DTS to a single AC3 5.1 audio file 640 bit just for add this file on the project so I can choose between DTS or AC3 and for make this I have to use some others programs. For that, I wonder if you can add some option for that but without need to reencode the bluray, I mean, just like an extra or bonus of Bd rebuilder?

Hope you can, and the best for your JD!!

[DoctorM]

Kind of a request, maybe there is a way to do this already, but I don't see how.

I'm working with Airplane! The disc contains a "Long Haul" mode (like the "Follow the White Rabbit" feature on the Matrix). It allows you to view 59 bonus clips/video commentary from within the movie, but no way to select them from the menu.

What I WANT to do is make a disc without a menu that plays the movie and then the 59 video clips sequentially.

Looking at the Import/Quick-Play Settings there seems to be an option to play items sequentially (which look to be a 'play all' of sorts) and another to skip going to the menu at the start of the disc, but this still implies that a menu must exist.

The problem is those 59 clips are untitled and too much for a menu. There is no chance of it looking any good or being useful.

I'd like a way to make a disc that is just the videos sequentially, no menu at all. Is it possible? If not it might make a nice option.

[jdobbs]

No, not today. Import will create a menu -- but with MENU_PLAY_SEQUENTIAL set, when you start the first item it will not return to the menu until it has either played all items or you push the MENU button on your remote.

I'll look at it -- but I'm not sure that it's really worth the effort to save a single click from a start menu.

[DoctorM]

I was looking for no menu at all, not a single click play. Sort of movie only, but with all video files as well.
I guess I'll just go with numbered extras for the menu.

I seem to recall there is a limit to the number of menu items. What happens when you reach that limit, are the videos ignored, or just unreferenced?

Edit: My mistake. I saw MENU_MAXITEMS=n and assumed it was the total limit, not per page. Mind you the HiddenOpt.txt says the default is 32, but my first test produced a page with 48 items on the first page.

I'll manually set it to 32 and (hopefully) things should be fine.

Oh, also, as with most menus, this movie has a first play video file and then the a second one that loops. Is it supposed to be the default behavior to use the second of those files? Is there a way to adjust which is chosen?

[jdobbs]

I was looking for no menu at all, not a single click play. Sort of movie only, but with all video files as well.
I guess I'll just go with numbered extras for the menu.

I seem to recall there is a limit to the number of menu items. What happens when you reach that limit, are the videos ignored, or just unreferenced?

Edit: My mistake. I saw MENU_MAXITEMS=n and assumed it was the total limit, not per page. Mind you the HiddenOpt.txt says the default is 32, but my first test produced a page with 48 items on the first page.

I'll manually set it to 32 and (hopefully) things should be fine.

Oh, also, as with most menus, this movie has a first play video file and then the a second one that loops. Is it supposed to be the default behavior to use the second of those files? Is there a way to adjust which is chosen?There was a 64 item limit to the menu at one point -- but that went away a while back. Now BD-RB will create as many menus as are needed.March 8th, 2015 - v0.50.05
- Updated Quick-Menu code. Now multiple menu
pages are created when more menu items are
present than will fit on one page. Applies
to menus created with Quick-Menu or Imports.

[DoctorM]

Ah, okay. I'll clear that from my .INI since I don't anticipate needing specifically 32 again any time soon.

[jdobbs]

Ah, okay. I'll clear that from my .INI since I don't anticipate needing specifically 32 again any time soon.32 items per page is the default anyway.

[DoctorM]

32 items per page is the default anyway.

That is what I'm saying. The first time it generated 48 items on the first page and I hadn't set the MENU_MAXITEMS=n to anything.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
When adding "--frame-packing 3" to the x264 commandline for SBS 3D encodes, the W10 Movie&TV app will play SBS as 2D with correct DAR on the PC monitor.
Would it make sense to add this parameter for SBS encodes in BD-RB?
Or should I better add it to the .ini like TWEAK_ALTERNATE=--frame-packing 3 ?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
When adding "--frame-packing 3" to the x264 commandline for SBS 3D encodes, the W10 Movie&TV app will play SBS as 2D with correct DAR on the PC monitor.
Would it make sense to add this parameter for SBS encodes in BD-RB?
Or should I better add it to the .ini like TWEAK_ALTERNATE=--frame-packing 3 ?I should be ok to add it. I think it's just an informational SEI. I'll do some testing to make sure there isn't any unintended consequences, and I'll add it if not.

I wish there was documentation of the different --frame-packing options somewhere. Do you know of any? It doesn't show as an option with --longhelp or in any of the standard lookups (like wikibooks).

[sneaker_ger]

--fullhelp shows all options. They should be further explained in the H.264 spec.

[jdobbs]

--fullhelp shows all options. They should be further explained in the H.264 spec.Thanks. You'd think that as many years as I have been using it I would have known that...

[Sharc]

Thanks. You'd think that as many years as I have been using it I would have known that...

Double-stitched ..... :
(Amazingly I have always to do --fullhelp twice in order to show the complete set of options).

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame
- 6: mono - 2D frame without any frame packing
- 7: tile format - L is on top-left, R split across

[stefandee2k]

Hi,
I'm looking for a configuration for convert only one (or more,but not all) DTS track to Ac3 and take the prefered one DTS.
I cannot find information about this configuration.

Thanks
Stefano

[mparade]

@jdobbs

When making an alternate output (e.g. mkv container) using x264,do not you think it would be reasonable to let the user use a "clear" command line without any restrictions? (like what can be achieved currently using x265)?

I have a HTPC and just tested a command line like:
"x264-10bit --preset placebo --crf 18.00 --profile high10 --open-gop --psy-rd 1.00:0.15 --sar 1:1 --qpfile GENERATED_QP_FILE --deblock -1:-1 --non-deterministic --range tv --colormatrix bt709 --input-csp i420 --fps 24000/1001 --input-res 1920x1080 --output "C:\test.264" and got 20-30% smaller file size than the one with similar options but supplemented by standard BD restrictions like --bluray-compat etc.

I know these restrictions is a "must" when the user is going to make a BD compatible output, but in case of playing the encodes from e.g. a HTPC where the decoding is done by the processor or the gpu it is quite different.

It would be great to have a switch to be able to start from a "clear" command line and then tweak that command line with all the options one would like to use.

I hope you see some reason in my request above
I would really appreciate it if I could use a "clear" command line with x264 in case of making alternate outputs. In case of software decoding and storing the films on HDD it is a good idea, I think based upon my test results.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

When making an alternate output (e.g. mkv container) using x264,do not you think it would be reasonable to let the user use a "clear" command line without any restrictions? (like what can be achieved currently using x265)?

I have a HTPC and just tested a command line like:
"x264-10bit --preset placebo --crf 18.00 --profile high10 --open-gop --psy-rd 1.00:0.15 --sar 1:1 --qpfile GENERATED_QP_FILE --deblock -1:-1 --non-deterministic --range tv --colormatrix bt709 --input-csp i420 --fps 24000/1001 --input-res 1920x1080 --output "C:\test.264" and got 20-30% smaller file size than the one with similar options but supplemented by standard BD restrictions like --bluray-compat etc.

I know these restrictions is a "must" when the user is going to make a BD compatible output, but in case of playing the encodes from e.g. a HTPC where the decoding is done by the processor or the gpu it is quite different.

It would be great to have a switch to be able to start from a "clear" command line and then tweak that command line with all the options one would like to use.

I hope you see some reason in my request above
I would really appreciate it if I could use a "clear" command line with x264 in case of making alternate outputs. In case of software decoding and storing the films on HDD it is a good idea, I think based upon my test results.Yeah, I can do that for ALTERNATE output. I've thought about that before. I'll probably make it a checkbox on SETUP screen. I'll make it where the command line is empty (except for sizing as required) with tweaks added in.

[mparade]

Yeah, I can do that for ALTERNATE output. I've thought about that before. I'll probably make it a checkbox on SETUP screen. I'll make it where the command line is empty (except for sizing as required) with tweaks added in.

Thank you very much in advance!

P.S. Please do something with the "donation issue" as well. :)

[mparade]

Yeah, I can do that for ALTERNATE output. I've thought about that before. I'll probably make it a checkbox on SETUP screen. I'll make it where the command line is empty (except for sizing as required) with tweaks added in.

I have switched on your new hiddenopt "ALTERNATE_BLURAY=0" and it seems to be working as I wanted! I could overwrite all the command line parameters I wanted. I am going to test it more deeply...

[jdobbs]

I have switched on your new hiddenopt "ALTERNATE_BLURAY=0" and it seems to be working as I wanted! I could overwrite all the command line parameters I wanted. I am going to test it more deeply...I forgot that even existed.

[Lathe]

I forgot that even existed.

Yep, I just discovered that too in this last version. I also have turned this on. Remember how I was saying before that when an MKV file is encoded with Blu-ray compatible parameters, how my OPPO plays it back all distorted. So, now I have that turned on I figure that that should hopefully prevent that...

[HWK]

@ Jdoobs,

I was wondering if you can implement future to resume from second pass for X265.

Currently what happens let's say encoder doing second pass and user abort, in this case when you resume it has to do pass 1 and 2 again. I was hoping if first pass completed it wouldn't do again but it does.

Also for tweak can you include option to specify for pass 1 and pass 2 separately.

[jdobbs]

@ Jdoobs,

I was wondering if you can implement future to resume from second pass for X265.

Currently what happens let's say encoder doing second pass and user abort, in this case when you resume it has to do pass 1 and 2 again. I was hoping if first pass completed it wouldn't do again but it does.

Also for tweak can you include option to specify for pass 1 and pass 2 separately.I assume you're talking about ALTERNATE encoding? It gets a little complicated -- because it is possible to change settings between the time you stop and restart.

[HWK]

I assume you're talking about ALTERNATE encoding? It gets a little complicated -- because it is possible to change settings between the time you stop and restart.

Ah okay, I see what you mean.

[jdobbs]

I have switched on your new hiddenopt "ALTERNATE_BLURAY=0" and it seems to be working as I wanted! I could overwrite all the command line parameters I wanted. I am going to test it more deeply...Just a note for clarification. That setting doesn't really remove all the settings. It just removes the "--bluray-compat" switch from the command line.

[mparade]

Just a note for clarification. That setting doesn't really remove all the settings. It just removes the "--bluray-compat" switch from the command line.

It was important for me to primarily remove the --bluray-compat parameter because as I experienced, all other parameters can be overwritten manually. (--bluray-compat cannot be, it has effects on the entire command line due to some for me unknown reason, not only on the ones inserted before)

It is not so convenient but it seems to be working until I can tweak to my taste the new "clear x264 command line for alternate output" feature. :D

[veggav]

Hey Jdobbs, I was wondering again today, what about a feature to just replace a subtitle with an .srt one?

Some movies have tons of subtitles options that can be disabled and those will point to PID 1200, correct?
So what if, just replace a subtitle and maybe if possible, change the country flag code.
I mean, using full disc backup.

This would be pretty safe I assume?

I know from my tests here that the flag for the country is only present at the MPLS Playlist file, no CLPI or anything.

Since the hash for the file is already being redone I guess this would be ok?

[ggtop]

Hi jdobbs,

I did a lot of MP4s lately with great success. All problems I had with previous versions are gone. Many thanks for that in the first place.
I came accross 2 feature requests while doing them:
1. Output MP4Box commandline to a textfile in WORKFILES folder for reviewing similar to LASTCMD.TXT. Reason: Sometimes alternate outputs are out of sync because of leading malformed clips in multipart sources. The commandline could easily be used to run MP4Box from CMD later.
2. Option not to delete final .264 file that is passed to MP4Box. Reason: In case of multipart sources BD-RB creates a VIDxxx+VIDyyy.264 file that is deleted after muxing. In case I need to run MP4Box again I'd like to keep the file in WORKFILES

Many thanks for thinking about my wishes :-)

ggtop

[fuzzycato]

Hi jdobbs,
what an amazing piece of software! - Thank You very much!
I have a feature request that would be great I think (especially for the folks in europe):
Could You implement the possibility to speedup the whole BD to PAL including a higher pitch of the soundtrack?
The Problem is, that a lot of movies here in europe are in 23/24 fps too, but mostly the pitch of the dubbed soundtracks is slowed down and therefore the pitch is lowered.
To a lot of movie fans I have talked to (including me) this sounds very weird (like a to slow record player) - and it ruins the joy of watching the movie. So this was always a KO criterium for me, to buy a BD.
I saw, that clownBD can do the job - but only for the main title of the BD - and without menues ...
If this would work for the whole BD including the menues this would just be AMAZING! :-)
Thank You very much!

[ggtop]

Actually my feature request is not valid anymore :-)
I have written a fully automated batchfile using the MUX_MOVIE_ONLY/ALTERNATE.meta files to call tsmuxer if I need that.

ggtop

[drmih]

With the UHD encryption seemingly overcome, and a Russian company selling software to back up your discs (along with recommendations on drives), would it be possible to add functionality to re-encode them to fit on a bd-50? The structure appears the same as standard blu ray discs.

[Ch3vr0n]

SEEMINGLY being the key word here, So far it supposedly only works for SPECIFIC titles for a SPECIFIC region. AACS 2.0 is anything BUT cracked "globally"

[drmih]

SEEMINGLY being the key word here, So far it supposedly only works for SPECIFIC titles for a SPECIFIC region. AACS 2.0 is anything BUT cracked "globally"

The fact that they have done 30 to 40 titles indicates that it is no longer secure - the fact that it isn't 'automatic' doesn't mean it's not cracked, just that it requires manual intervention from those in the know. If they haven't got access to discs from other regions (they're Russian) then they may not be able to do those. The relatively high price of the software does seem to indicate that they need funds to obtain the discs to implement it. However, from a disc every month being 'cracked' it's now become a couple a week, so I think, given the fact that they've gone public / commercial, that the database might grow quickly, and it might be possible for them to get information from unsupported discs via the software to be able to crack it remotely.

[Ch3vr0n]

No, users on the redfox forums state specifically that the developers said for now it doesn't work for all titles and all regions.

[gonca]

No, users on the redfox forums state specifically that the developers said for now it doesn't work for all titles and all regions.

Where did anyone mention all titles and all regions around here
Or is this a case of Redfox hasn't / can't do it yet so no one can

[Ch3vr0n]

'no longer secure' implies being cracked, and in turn affects globally. I said, all titles here after others said it on RedFox forums. The fact that RedFox doesn't do it yet is irrelevant. I'm impartial, I don't even have any 4k gear except maybe one of my PC drives. I just look at it from all sides. No more, no less. I don't care who fully cracks or completely, as users are entitled to make fair use backups. Whether it's with RedFox software, elby, deuhd, dvdfab or another...

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[drmih]

No, users on the redfox forums state specifically that the developers said for now it doesn't work for all titles and all regions.

I appreciate this - it's rather like the dvdfab cinavia removal - it appears that the software contains information for each supported release, or can 'phone home'. What you're saying is that a piece of software can't figure out how to decrypt any disc, but that's rather by-the-way compared to saying that the encryption hasn't been cracked. Quite clearly the existence of 30+ images without encryption show that it has been cracked, but that so far they haven't been able to code the software to do it automatically. I haven't got a clue how its done, but say, for instance, that they found a uhd drive which could be hacked to reveal the key. They wouldn't want to release this information, but would need to play every different disc on this drive to get the key to add to the database.

[Ch3vr0n]

No it hasn't. Feel free to check the current deuhd thread on RedFox forum. Aacs uses AES 2 I think Pete said, which was very secure in some 'timing' or something. That said, the INDICATION that there's at least a partial breakthrough on the uhd decryption is something I welcome and will continue to follow until it's completely cracked. Then things can really take off for consumer fair use backups.

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[varekai]

It would be great if LAVfilters 0.70.2 could be used for BD-RB.

[drmih]

No it hasn't. Feel free to check the current deuhd thread on RedFox forum. Aacs uses AES 2 I think Pete said, which was very secure in some 'timing' or something. That said, the INDICATION that there's at least a partial breakthrough on the uhd decryption is something I welcome and will continue to follow until it's completely cracked. Then things can really take off for consumer fair use backups.

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I'm still puzzled as to what hasn't been cracked. There are numerous discs which have quite clearly been backed up, and don't appear to have anything missing. Therefore which aspect hasn't been defeated - this is a sincere question as if images are available of full discs, isn't that proof? Alien Covenant, which is less than 50 Gb, has been burnt to a bd-50 and plays on UHD players (all the other images are either bd-66 or bd-100).

[jdobbs]

It would be great if LAVfilters 0.70.2 could be used for BD-RB.Have you tried that version and it has failed? Or do you just mean they should be tested and set as the recommended version? Any particular advantages it has over the recommended version?

[varekai]

Hi jdobbs!
No, havn't tried that LAVfilters version yet, but will do when I have a new BD-RB project.
I will let you know then if any audio sync issues appear, maybe all is OK?
I use PotPlayer together with madVR and that is the only reason I have installed the latest LAVfilters.
Recently found out that MPC-HC uses it's own internal 0.70.2 LAVfilters so maybe I will drop PotPlayer.
I kind of like the GUI of PotPlayer though.

Edit:
I have to say it's a bit confusing for me with filters and all available settings in media players.
Just trying to get the most out of it, they call me Hawkeye for a reason...

[Lathe]

they call me Hawkeye for a reason...

Perhaps they are saying 'Cockeye' and you just aren't hearing them right... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[varekai]

Perhaps they are saying 'Cockeye' and you just aren't hearing them right... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif
https://s1.postimg.org/4x623h370f/looks-good-to-me.png

[Lathe]

https://s1.postimg.org/4x623h370f/looks-good-to-me.png




EXACTLY! http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[drmih]

No it hasn't. Feel free to check the current deuhd thread on RedFox forum. Aacs uses AES 2 I think Pete said, which was very secure in some 'timing' or something. That said, the INDICATION that there's at least a partial breakthrough on the uhd decryption is something I welcome and will continue to follow until it's completely cracked. Then things can really take off for consumer fair use backups.

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I think something must have changed because over the last week there have been about 3 complete disc images put on line per day.

[Ch3vr0n]

That I won't deny, but there's zero evidence so far it has been cracked completely or they wouldn't be limited to 'certain disc versions only'.

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[drmih]

That I won't deny, but there's zero evidence so far it has been cracked completely or they wouldn't be limited to 'certain disc versions only'.

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I'm not sure these are coming from people using that software, but that they have been done by a group. I notice that the Russia people who have been releasing a variety of 4k material over the last few years have vanished - perhaps they've gone 'commercial' or just been shut down and this is the source of the images.

[drmih]

With the flood gates seemingly open, and a capability in DVDFab, can I raise this again? Keeping the audio untouched and fitting them on a bd-50 would be great.

[jdobbs]

With the flood gates seemingly open, and a capability in DVDFab, can I raise this again? Keeping the audio untouched and fitting them on a bd-50 would be great.You can do that now.

[drmih]

You can do that now.

Is there a trick I'm missing as when you open a source it doesn't show the tracks?

[gonca]

You can do that now.

I think he is referring to 4K UHD discs

[jdobbs]

With the flood gates seemingly open, and a capability in DVDFab, can I raise this again? Keeping the audio untouched and fitting them on a bd-50 would be great.If you're talking about reencoding UHD to make it fit -- than I can only say "It's not as simple as you think." But I am working on it. If, though, you are asking for the ability to remove audio tracks to make a UHD structure fit on a BD-50 (where possible) then that would not be that hard to do -- but I'd rather implement a full capability than something imperfect. What, for example, would you do with the video portion itself is bigger than a BD-50 can hold?

[drmih]

If you're talking about reencoding UHD to make it fit -- than I can only say "It's not as simple as you think." But I am working on it. If, though, you are asking for the ability to remove audio tracks to make a UHD structure fit on a BD-50 (where possible) then that would not be that hard to do -- but I'd rather implement a full capability than something imperfect. What, for example, would you do with the video portion itself is bigger than a BD-50 can hold?

I'm want to keep the audio (in fact I definitely want it untouched) - I was in fact saying 'do the video, leave the audio' alone:)

[DoctorM]

I feel like 4k is more sales gimmick than upgrade. Most films transferred don't have 4k worth of detail to scan and most people don't sit an arms length from their TV to make out the detail when it does exist.

My feeling is that the ability to resize 4k video to 1080p while preserving 10bit color and HDR would probably be optimal. It would make re-encoding a bit faster, provide a disc space savings and preserve the real benefits of UHD films.

[Lathe]

I feel like 4k is more sales gimmick than upgrade. Most films transferred don't have 4k worth of detail to scan and most people don't sit an arms length from their TV to make out the detail when it does exist.

My feeling is that the ability to resize 4k video to 1080p while preserving 10bit color and HDR would probably be optimal. It would make re-encoding a bit faster, provide a disc space savings and preserve the real benefits of UHD films.

Yep... I pretty much feel about 4k like JD does about lossless audio...

[geheim]

Converting MKV's to working UHD file structure without reencoding would be a great freature :)

[jdobbs]

I feel like 4k is more sales gimmick than upgrade. Most films transferred don't have 4k worth of detail to scan and most people don't sit an arms length from their TV to make out the detail when it does exist.

My feeling is that the ability to resize 4k video to 1080p while preserving 10bit color and HDR would probably be optimal. It would make re-encoding a bit faster, provide a disc space savings and preserve the real benefits of UHD films.Probably so. Most reports say it is indistinguishable from 1080p are normal viewing distance. Oddly enough, though, I remember people saying the same about SD->HD, and I can see a big difference there. And what with screens getting bigger and bigger... it may be a good thing.

UHD is also highly popular, and is the standard for most newer screens. So I feel like not supporting it is looking backward instead of forward.

A bigger question to me is how long optical discs will continue with the transition to streaming. But it's probably good for a few years.

[jdobbs]

Converting MKV's to working UHD file structure without reencoding would be a great freature :)That'll certainly be supported if and when I get it finished.

[Sharc]

Currently BD-RB can import 3D SBS .mkv files.
Would it be possible to add an import filter for 3D mkv with format profile: "Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1", MultiView_Layout: "Both Eyes laced in one block"? (I think it's frame-packing type 13 and 14).
The current workaround for such files is to remux them manually with tsmuxer to a 3D blu-ray folder structure or to .iso. No big deal but it could possibly be automated in BD-RB.

[jdobbs]

Currently BD-RB can import 3D SBS .mkv files.
Would it be possible to add an import filter for 3D mkv with format profile: "Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1", MultiView_Layout: "Both Eyes laced in one block"? (I think it's frame-packing type 13 and 14).
The current workaround for such files is to remux them manually with tsmuxer to a 3D blu-ray folder structure or to .iso. No big deal but it could possibly be automated in BD-RB.I'll look at it and add it to the "to-do" list. Right now, though, my priority is implementing UHD-BD support, so it might be a while.

[Cowboys6190]

Thanks for working on the uhd-bd capability. I do agree that this is the future and that discs will still be around for a while as streaming cannot compare to the quality of both video and audio at this point.

Does anyone know if you can place a 4k (HEVC codec), 10 bit video on to a 50gb disc and play it in a normal blu-ray player? Will it play the 4k resolution and the 10bit (HDR) color? (as long as video and audio tracks fit without encoding)

[jdobbs]

Thanks for working on the uhd-bd capability. I do agree that this is the future and that discs will still be around for a while as streaming cannot compare to the quality of both video and audio at this point.

Does anyone know if you can place a 4k (HEVC codec), 10 bit video on to a 50gb disc and play it in a normal blu-ray player? Will it play the 4k resolution and the 10bit (HDR) color? (as long as video and audio tracks fit without encoding)No. It will not work. A normal blu-ray player doesn't support HEVC, 4k, 10 bit video, or HDR. But... you can, however, buy a UHD-BD player and it will connect it to and play back UHD sources on an non-4k monitor (it will downscale to 1080p). Since almost every new monitor supports 4k, though, that's not saying much. I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard HD monitor.

[Sharc]

..... I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard hd monitor.
+1 ;)

[Lathe]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

..... I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard hd monitor.

+1 ;)

^ Yep... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[A.Fenderson]

I've searched and experimented and everything currently points to "no," but I thought I'd ask:

I know proper UHD-BD support is in the works, but apart from that, is there any current method of importing 4K/UHD videos to reauthor as (non-UHD, aka "merely HD") BD-compliant output? I have a bunch of 3840x2160, 8-bit, 29.97fps video from my camcorder that I'd like to burn to BD for my parents.

Actually, the same camcorder records in 1080p59.94, and I can't seem to import any of those files either, so same question for "1080p60" material.

I tried putting resize scripts in the script pop-up box, but BD-RB is aborting during import with "ERROR: Incompatible stream (3840x2160) detected. Aborting." in the case of UHD files.

For HRF progressive HD I get "ERROR: Converting MP4 container. Aborted." in the case of 1080p59.94 files. I know these videos would have to be either artificially interlaced or every other frame thrown out, but I don't know how to do that from within BD-RB, if that's possible.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

I've searched and experimented and everything currently points to "no," but I thought I'd ask:

I know proper UHD-BD support is in the works, but apart from that, is there any current method of importing 4K/UHD videos to reauthor as (non-UHD, aka "merely HD") BD-compliant output? I have a bunch of 3840x2160, 8-bit, 29.97fps video from my camcorder that I'd like to burn to BD for my parents.

Actually, the same camcorder records in 1080p59.94, and I can't seem to import any of those files either, so same question for "1080p60" material.

I tried putting resize scripts in the script pop-up box, but BD-RB is aborting during import with "ERROR: Incompatible stream (3840x2160) detected. Aborting." in the case of UHD files.

For HRF progressive HD I get "ERROR: Converting MP4 container. Aborted." in the case of 1080p59.94 files. I know these videos would have to be either artificially interlaced or every other frame thrown out, but I don't know how to do that from within BD-RB, if that's possible.

Thanks.Give it a week...

The 1080p59.94 files wouldn't have to be interlaced... they should be supported (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1830203#post1830203) (although I haven't added that to the IMPORT function yet).

The 1080p29.97 files would have to be either doubled or have frames removed.

[Lathe]

Give it a week...



Well, you know what they say... 7 days without JD's updates makes one weak...

[jlpsvk]

Give it a week...

Means it will be possible to rebuild UHD BD (replace streams) without recompress? Will the Dolby Vision extension layer be supported to passthroug?

[Lathe]

...And, will it do the bloody DISHES! That's what I want to know!

[jdobbs]

Means it will be possible to rebuild UHD BD (replace streams) without recompress? Will the Dolby Vision extension layer be supported to passthroug?The more discs I do the less likely that seems. The bitrate on many sources is an issue. I've seen an occasional one that will work -- but most end up with sync issues and stuttering. The bottom line is that BD-50/25 has a lower maximum bitrate than BD-66 or BD-100 (which is used for most originals).

But... you never know.

[jlpsvk]

The more discs I do the less likely that seems. The bitrate on many sources is an issue. I've seen an occasional one that will work -- but most end up with sync issues and stuttering. The bottom line is that BD-50/25 has a lower maximum bitrate than BD-66 or BD-100 (which is used for most originals).

But... you never know.

yeah...but when burning to bd-xl i can just passthrough video+dolby vision and leave only wanted tracks+add my own. that would be awesome. i don't want to preserve menus and so on...just main movie, video+dolby vision passthrough, audio which i want passthrough and add some additional tracks and subs and make BDMV structure again...simple UHD BD REAUTHOR without reencoding.

[A.Fenderson]

yeah...but when burning to bd-xl i can just passthrough video+dolby vision and leave only wanted tracks+add my own. that would be awesome....

Do you have a player that is known to play BD-R/RE XL 100GB discs? So far it seems rare. If so, what model?

[jlpsvk]

Do you have a player that is known to play BD-R/RE XL 100GB discs? So far it seems rare. If so, what model?

I have OPPO 203, that should support it in coming updates according to my infos.

[ocean]

@jlpsvk

Hi, for passthrough Dolby Vision HDR dynamic, inside m2ts main find 2 streams: 4K 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 (Dolby Vision).
There are more values in file mpls and index.bdmv:

For example MPLS

"SubPath": [
{
"reserved01": 0,
"SubPath_type": 10,
"reserved02": 0,
"is_repeat_SubPath": 0,
"reserved03": 0,
"SubPlayItem": [
{
"Clip_Information_file_name": "00234",
"Clip_codec_identifier": "M2TS",
"ref_to_STC_id": 0,
"reserved01": 0,
"is_multi_Clip_entries": 0,
"sp_connection_condition": 1,
"SubPlayItem_IN_time": 524280,
"SubPlayItem_OUT_time": 367650414,
"sync_PlayItem_id": 0,
"sync_start_PTS_of_PlayItem": 524280

index.bdmv

AppInfoBDMV": {
"reserved01": 0,
"initial_output_mode_preference": 0,
"SS_content_exist_flag": 0,
"reserved02": 0,
"video_format": "1080p",
"frame_rate": "23.976",
"content_provider_user_data": [

[AmigaFuture]

Converting MKV's to working UHD file structure without reencoding would be a great freature :)

That's always a great feature without care of the source. For me, though, chapters must always be there and subtitles. SRT and whatever form a disc is released with.

[AmigaFuture]

It will not work. [...] I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard HD monitor.

Monetarily +1 here also.

[A.Fenderson]

I have OPPO 203, that should support it in coming updates according to my infos.

I asked OPPO, and they're unwilling to commit to that. "Possible inclusion in a future firmware" is all they're willing to say, which isn't very reassuring. Unfortunate, because I really want one of those players.

Unfortunately the player does not support BD-R or BDR-RE XL media. This is something that the engineers are
looking into for possible inclusion in a future firmware, but it is not yet possible in our current firmware.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
162 Constitution Dr.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

[Lathe]

I asked OPPO, and they're unwilling to commit to that. "Possible inclusion in a future firmware" is all they're willing to say, which isn't very reassuring. Unfortunate, because I really want one of those players.

Unfortunately the player does not support BD-R or BDR-RE XL media. This is something that the engineers are
looking into for possible inclusion in a future firmware, but it is not yet possible in our current firmware.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
162 Constitution Dr.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

Shame, since OPPO is one of the leading players. I have the older (PRE-Cinavia :D) BDP-83's that I will absolutely hang onto despite it's not being as fancy as the new ones.

Yet ANOTHER case of making people buy all new hardware for some 'new & improved' format...

[jlpsvk]

As I said, it should be implemented if my sources aren't wrong.

[jlpsvk]

any ETA for UHD BD support in BD Rebuilder? :)

[jdobbs]

any ETA for UHD BD support in BD Rebuilder? :)When it works... right now I'm having stop-and-go issues. If it is the result of the mux, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I guess I could release a version for testing to see if others are experiencing it.

[DeathStalker77]

How about allowing *different* combinations of language tracks to be selected, instead of all or nothing? If I have multiple languages, and say the extras have languages on diff tracks - on one Eng might be 1st, on another it might be 2nd, etc, right now I have to select ALL the audio tracks, even those I don't want, which reduces the bitrate of the videos.

PLEASE more flexibility in the encoding bitrate reduction of extras! (More like DVDRB)

And THANK YOU for all your continued hard work! :)

[jlpsvk]

When it works... right now I'm having stop-and-go issues. If it is the result of the mux, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I guess I could release a version for testing to see if others are experiencing it.

i volunteer. :)

[Lathe]

How about allowing *different* combinations of language tracks to be selected, instead of all or nothing? If I have multiple languages, and say the extras have languages on diff tracks - on one Eng might be 1st, on another it might be 2nd, etc, right now I have to select ALL the audio tracks, even those I don't want, which reduces the bitrate of the videos.

PLEASE more flexibility in the encoding bitrate reduction of extras! (More like DVDRB)

And THANK YOU for all your continued hard work! :)

I THINK that you can use this hidden option, which I have in my configuration settings: QUICK_CRF=n

With a full backup you choose 'Quick Encode for Extras' and you set the variable above to whatever you want. I think I have mine set at 24.

I hope this helps!

[Cedvano]

When it works... right now I'm having stop-and-go issues. If it is the result of the mux, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I guess I could release a version for testing to see if others are experiencing it.

It's a nice idea to include UHD.
I ripped 'It' in UHD and with 80Gb, you must not be in a hurry to reduce it.

[musiclover]

When making a bluray out of imported files the quick-play menu shows the different m2ts files in the stream directory. Is it much trouble for you to put in a menu that shows the chapters in a m2ts file? Take for example a concert movie. It would be nice to have the choice to pick a song to start the viewing. I have tried to do this by splitting the file using mkvmerge.exe in chapters en importing those. The quick-play menu looks good but playing the bluray there is a short pause after each chapter (m2ts) that makes viewing the concert less pleasing. When it would be possible to keep the concert in one m2ts the pauses would not occur and the viewing would be much improved.

[jdobbs]

Let me give that some thought. So... you'd like to have the chapters displayed in a separate menu? That would mean I'd have to create a way for you to select background video/image for the chapter menu... and create it. I'd also have to add a way to select the chapter menu from the main menu... either that or go to it automatically when the film is selected (rather than start playing).

I think it's doable...but I'd have to look at the code and see how much effort it would take.

[musiclover]

I only thought of replacing the quick-play menu as it is now with a menu containing the chapters. But you are right to look further and come up with selecting the chapter menu from the main menu.

I am happy that you are considering putting it on your todo list

[jdobbs]

I only thought of replacing the quick-play menu as it is now with a menu containing the chapters. But you are right to look further and come up with selecting the chapter menu from the main menu.

I am happy that you are considering putting it on your todo listThat would certainly be an easier way to do it!

[musiclover]

You created the hidden setting KEEP_HD_LPCM=0 where LPCM gets being reencoded even for "Keep HD Audio". Is it possible to make a reversed setting? So that LPCM is kept and DTS and AC3 are reencoded ?

[m.rup]

Hi, when blanking an item in the stream list, in some cases BD Rebuilder is selecting loads of additional items. That's basically not bad, but in some cases BD Rebuilder is overdoing things so I get problems while trying to play the processed movie. Would it be possible to add an additional item to the pop up menu, e.g. 'Blank this single item' or so, that does not affect other items in the stream list, or is there already an (hidden) option available for setting the blanking behavior?

[Lathe]

Hi, when blanking an item in the stream list, in some cases BD Rebuilder is selecting loads of additional items. That's basically not bad, but in some cases BD Rebuilder is overdoing things so I get problems while trying to play the processed movie. Would it be possible to add an additional item to the pop up menu, e.g. 'Blank this single item' or so, that does not affect other items in the stream list, or is there already an (hidden) option available for setting the blanking behavior?

I don't know if this is relevant, but I THINK BDRB blanks entire 'playlists' when you blank an item. Sometimes it is the movie itself divided into several parts, or it can be like all trailers, for example.

[m.rup]

Yeah, it seems to work that way, so I ask myself if it would be possible to restrict the blanking to one 'playlist' item.

[Lathe]

Yeah, it seems to work that way, so I ask myself if it would be possible to restrict the blanking to one 'playlist' item.

Well, if you happen to tell yourself an answer... :)

Seriously though, there have been a few times where I noticed that I would have preferred to blank just the one item instead of a whole block of them. I can't remember the specifics, but maybe something like blanking a large Xtra I really don't want, but not wanting to blank all of them.

[m.rup]

Of course I'm mainly asking jdobbs... :cool: It's not only blanking of special extras, in some cases also disc structure seems to be destroyed, at the moment, i see it while processing Incredibles 2. Here also the items that are displayed while disc is loading are included into selection. When blanked, the disc stops after the language selection menu.

[AmigaFuture]

Well, if you happen to tell yourself an answer... :)

Seriously though, there have been a few times where I noticed that I would have preferred to blank just the one item instead of a whole block of them. I can't remember the specifics, but maybe something like blanking a large Xtra I really don't want, but not wanting to blank all of them.

Honestly, some extras rely on other extras. Which is why when you blank some - all of them are. I don't know all the details about it, but it fits with logic of how some BDs are made. The authoring process.

Of course I'm mainly asking jdobbs... :cool: It's not only blanking of special extras, in some cases also disc structure seems to be destroyed, at the moment, i see it while processing Incredibles 2. Here also the items that are displayed while disc is loading are included into selection. When blanked, the disc stops after the language selection menu.

I'll check that for myself.. I rarely use the language menus. I hadn't considered any of those braking before after processing. Unless you mean the removable of some languages and they're still a choice in the menu, but that's normal.

[gonca]

@Lathe
Here we go again
I hadn't considered any of those braking before after processing
Shouldn't that be breaking >> before or after

Apologies AmigaFuture but it bugs Lathe and his rabbit ears

[m.rup]

Honestly, some extras rely on other extras. Which is why when you blank some - all of them are. I don't know all the details about it, but it fits with logic of how some BDs are made. The authoring process.

It sometimes (not alwas, depends on disc) happens when I blank annoying warnings and stuff. In case of Disney footage, sometimes even the introductory castle is concerned.

I assume that it should be possible to isolate the specific item to be blanked, because when I preview the same with MPC, I don't get all the stuff displayed.

Some problematic discs (all region B): Vaiana, Fantastic Four Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Incredibles 2, just to give some examples.

[Lathe]

@Lathe
Here we go again

Shouldn't that be breaking >> before or after

Apologies AmigaFuture but it bugs Lathe and his rabbit ears

HEY! Who do you think I am, Mr. Video...??! :D

[tectpro]

Hello,

Would it be possible to upgrade FRIM from 1.25 to 1.30 and include hardware (HW) acceleration if compatible hardware is available in the system?
Why I am asking is I did some testing and noticed that 1.30 can now finally use HW acceleration without any issues. (iGPU used Intel UHD 630).

Speed comparison for BD50 3D to BD25 3D:
FRIM 1.25 ca. 25 frames per second (Software De- and Encode) (Hardware decode causes an error)
FRIM 1.30 ca. 166 frames per second (Hardware De- and Encode)

Thank you.

[Ch3vr0n]

Hw acceleration is already available through the hidden options switches, but yes the current version results in severe artifacts if used.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

[Mark_Venture]

Hello,

Would it be possible to upgrade FRIM from 1.25 to 1.30 and include hardware (HW) acceleration if compatible hardware is available in the system?
Why I am asking is I did some testing and noticed that 1.30 can now finally use HW acceleration without any issues. (iGPU used Intel UHD 630).

Speed comparison for BD50 3D to BD25 3D:
FRIM 1.25 ca. 25 frames per second (Software De- and Encode) (Hardware decode causes an error)
FRIM 1.30 ca. 166 frames per second (Hardware De- and Encode)

Thank you.

Hw acceleration is already available through the hidden options switches, but yes the current version results in severe artifacts if used.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using TapatalkCan you two clarify something for me...

@Ch3vr0n , you mention artifacts with the "current version" is that FRIM 1.25? Or 1.30 that tectpro is asking about? The EXE's in my BD-RB folder are v 1.25 from 2015, so pretty old.

And I assume you mean FRIM_SW_DECODE=n and FRIM_SW_ENCODE=n where N=1 means use software, N=0 Auto detect...

@tectpro , How did you test the FPS? Did you just overlay the newer FRIM exec's and toggle on BD-RB's hidden options? Did you play back the resulting files? Were there any video artifacts, or abnormalities?

[Ch3vr0n]

Sorry for the delay. That's with the default bdrb included frim. I'll have to run a test using those updated versions

[Lowpro]

I'd like to see a few small changes to the Quick-Play feature.

The first thing I'd like to see is the character limit increased when naming a menu item. (Well, unless it's a limitation.) There's plenty of horizontal screen real estate to allow for this. I'm frequently having to shorten the naming of TV episode titles due to this limitation.
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The second thing I'd like to see is a change to the button navigation with respects to the "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons. A couple Quick-Play examples provided below.

(I recently purchased the below on Blu-ray, the content being packaged on 4 BD25's. Using BD Rebuilder I dropped the content on 2 BD50's instead.)

DISC 1, PAGE 1:
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_01_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_01.jpg)

DISC 1, PAGE 2:
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_02_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_02.jpg)

DISC 2, PAGE 1:
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_03_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_03.jpg)

DISC 2, PAGE 2:
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_04_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_04.jpg)

DISC 2, PAGE 3:
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_05_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/scooby/bd_scobby_tcs_05.jpg)

When navigating down from last menu item on a given page the "PREV" button is highlighted. I'm then having to navigate to the right to highlight and select the "NEXT" button. When navigating up from the first menu item on a given page the "NEXT" button is highlighted. I'm then having to navigate to the left to highlight and select the "PREV" button. This implementation is counterintuitive. One would expect the opposite. When navigating down from the last menu item the "NEXT" button should be highlighted. When navigating up from the first menu item the "PREV" button should be highlighted.

(If it's possible using BDedit to implement this change myself I'd love to know how.)

Also, notice how the spacing between the last menu item and the "Page x", "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons is inconsistent from page to page. In many cases the "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons really start to crowd the last menu item and in some cases even overlap the last menu item to a small degree. You can't tell from the screenshots, but on "Disc 1, Page 1" and "Disc 2, Page 1" the last menu item and "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons are actually overlapping a little bit. When selecting "PREV" it cuts off the bottom part of the "(" within the last menu item and when selecting "NEXT" it cuts off the bottom part of the ")" within the last menu item. What I'd like to see is consistent spacing from page to page, the "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons not crowding the last menu item. Ideally I'd like to see the same spacing from the last menu item to the "Page x", "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons as you see from menu item to menu item, "Disc 2, Page 3" above being a good example.
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And one "wish upon a star" item if I may which is not to be confused with the below option.

MENU_HORIZONTAL=n n = 0-1919 - Offset from left of 1080p screen for QP menu item selection area (16 items/page max)

I use the above option quite a bit as you can see from the Quick-Play examples provided above. When not used of course the Quick-Play menu item selection area is centered on the page. What I'd like to see is an option used in conjunction with "MENU_HORIZONTAL" that results in the menu item selection area being centered within the remaining page area. Something like the below perhaps.

MENU_HORIZONTAL_CENTER=1 n = 0/1 - 0=OFF (default) - Used in conjunction with "MENU_HORIZONTAL", if set to "1", the QP menu item selection area is centered within the available remaining screen area.

The "MENU_HORIZONTAL" option in this scenario would be acting as an offset, i.e. MENU_HORIZONTAL=907 and MENU_HORIZONTAL_CENTER=1 would result in the QP menu item selection area being centered between 907 and 1919.

[Lowpro]

The second thing I'd like to see is a change to the button navigation with respects to the "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons. When navigating down from last menu item on a given page the "PREV" button is highlighted. I'm then having to navigate to the right to highlight and select the "NEXT" button. When navigating up from the first menu item on a given page the "NEXT" button is highlighted. I'm then having to navigate to the left to highlight and select the "PREV" button. This implementation is counterintuitive. One would expect the opposite. When navigating down from the last menu item the "NEXT" button should be highlighted. When navigating up from the first menu item the "PREV" button should be highlighted. (If it's possible using BDedit to implement this change myself I'd love to know how.)
He shoots, he scores! I figured out how to implement the change described above using BDedit v0.39b today. Takes just a quick minute to do. Couldn't be simpler. Pretty sweet being able to update this myself as I far prefer the "NEXT" button being what's highlighted when navigating down from the last menu item and the "PREV" button being what's highlighted when navigating up from the first menu item, especially in cases where the Blu-ray menus exceed 2 pages.
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Well, the fun didn't stop there. I decided to enhance the menu item and page navigation behaviour even further. Prior when selecting the "PREV" button the first menu item on the previous page was being highlighted. I changed it so the last menu item on the previous page is what's highlighted. I then decided to take the "PREV" and "NEXT" buttons out of the loop completely when navigating up and down. (Well, for menu pages with only one row of menu items.) I set the last menu item to wrap around to the first menu item and vice versa just as if it were a single page menu. I then set each menu item to go to "PREV" when navigating left and "NEXT" when navigating right. Too much fun! Took a video as I was testing the end result. For those so inclined, click here (https://youtu.be/Jf3xPljv39w).
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And I've since created a tutorial showing how this is done in BDedit. For those so inclined, click here (https://rumble.com/vt2bic-bdedit-tutorial-modifying-menu-button-and-page-navigation-behavior..html) ;)

[musiclover]

(If it's possible using BDedit to implement this change myself I'd love to know how.)

Are you gonna tell us how you did it?

[Lowpro]

Are you gonna tell us how you did it?Sure, I'll be happy to. I'll work up a little something and chime back in.

[Lowpro]

Hi musiclover. I created a quick video of how this was done. See here (https://rumble.com/vt2bic-bdedit-tutorial-modifying-menu-button-and-page-navigation-behavior..html") and enjoy!

[musiclover]

Thank you Lowpro. That is an excellent tutorial.

[Lowpro]

I have another "Quick-Play" feature request I thought I'd suggest. It could be added as a hidden option for use with the BDREBUILDER.INI file. Details on said feature request provided below.

Currently only one "Menu Background Picture" is supported for a given Blu-ray menu. I'd love to see a hidden option added, so one could designate a unique menu background per page. Something like the below.

MENU_BACKGROUND=D:\BD_Rebuilder\Resources\ncis_s06_p1.png (Current option.)
MENU_BACKGROUND_PAGE_2=D:\BD_Rebuilder\Resources\ncis_s06_p2.png (Feature request.)

In the above example the default menu background is used for Page 1, a different menu background being used for Page 2 and so forth. If the Blu-ray menu consisted of only one page or the given page didn't exist the "MENU_BACKGROUND_PAGE_x" line item(s) would be ignored where applicable.

That being said, I do employ a workaround for this currently. When creating a "Quick-Play" backup I just overwrite the menu background image after the menu background is encoded for Page 1, but before the menu background is encoded for Page 2.
- Creating Quick-Play Menu...
- Encoding menu background [1]...
- Building menu structure [1]...

(The moment the above log event is displayed I overwrite the menu background image with the one I want used for Page 2.)

- Encoding menu background [2]...
- Building menu structure [2]...
That being said, below are some examples of unique menu background images per page where I deployed the above workaround. My goal was for the "MENU_BACKDROP" to have the same width from page to page, irrespective of the normal rule which sets the width of the menu backdrop for a given page based on the longest title selection contained on that page.

To accomplish the below I set the "MENU_BACKDROP_OPACITY" to "0=Transparent", then adding my own menu backdrops to the actual menu background images instead, the last step being to overwrite the default menu background image (used for Page 1) with the one I wanted to use for Page 2 when the time came as described above.

In any event, see the examples below. They turned out great I think. I find the below a nice improvement over how I was working these up prior as everything to the right of the DVD cover image is centered up beautifully now from top to bottom and from page to page. Perfect symmetry. Gotta love it!

NCIS: The Sixth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=IBA38B380A4F0B77F&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s06_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s06_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s06_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s06_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Seventh Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I99C28B9C3BAE3607&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s07_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s07_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s07_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s07_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Eighth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I99915426423D3467&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s08_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s08_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s08_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s08_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Ninth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=IA07647834F16FB9F&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s09_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s09_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s09_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s09_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Tenth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I8602A6CDB9673110&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s10_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s10_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s10_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s10_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Eleventh Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I4AAA51F42D04B23C&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s11_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s11_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s11_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s11_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Thirteenth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I307FAC5939EE1457&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s13_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s13_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s13_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s13_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Fourteenth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I876DB821DF6A6AD3&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s14_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s14_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s14_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s14_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Fifteenth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I1AC87FBD30EA5A01&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s15_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s15_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s15_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s15_p2.jpg)


NCIS: The Sixteenth Season (https://www.lowpro.net/phpdvdprofiler/index.php?mediaid=I73AB17D9CD4835E6&action=show)
http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s16_p1_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s16_p1.jpg)

http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s16_p2_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/blu-ray.com/menus/ncis/bd_menu_ncis_s16_p2.jpg)

[jdobbs]

I can do that. I'll probably just make it automatic. So if you select a menu background it will use it... but if there is another file with, say, an extension of some type -- it will look for it. I've done this for other things. For example:

The background image is "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

For the first page it would always use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"
For pages 2-x (for example) it would look for another jpg, but if it is not there it defaults to the first page.

So for page 2 it would look for "BACKGROUND_IMAGE_2.JPG" and if it exists it would use it, if not, it would use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

I may play with the name a little to see what works best, but you get where I'm coming from.

[Lowpro]

I can do that. I'll probably just make it automatic. So if you select a menu background it will use it... but if there is another file with, say, an extension of some type -- it will look for it. I've done this for other things. For example:

The background image is "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

For the first page it would always use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"
For pages 2-x (for example) it would look for another jpg, but if it is not there it defaults to the first page.

So for page 2 it would look for "BACKGROUND_IMAGE_2.JPG" and if it exists it would use it, if not, it would use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

I may play with the name a little to see what works best, but you get where I'm coming from.

Thanks for the reply. It's much appreciated and yes, I get where you're coming from. The implementation you described is very simple. Sounds great. And thanks again for this wonderful program. I'm a huge fan of the "Quick-Play" feature if you couldn't tell. It really is awesome. Expect another donation from me in the coming months. ;)

[Lowpro]

It would be awesome if BD Rebuilder offered a "Quick-Play" menu option specifically for the creation of "Double Feature" discs, i.e. a disc containing only 2 titles. The menu would contain two buttons, each button being 960x1080, the given button only being visible when selected. The first button would highlight the left side of the screen for selecting the first title. The second button would highlight the right side of the screen for selecting the second title. The menu background would be used to call out what each of the titles were. Example below, in this case two versions of the same film though this feature could be used for two completely different films naturally.

When neither title is selected:
http://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/feature_request_double_feature_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/feature_request_double_feature.jpg)

When the first title is selected:
http://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/feature_request_title_01_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/feature_request_title_01.jpg)

When the second title is selected:
http://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/feature_request_title_02_thumb.jpg (http://www.lowpro.net/bdrb/quick_play/feature_request_title_02.jpg)

As far as the implementation, I could see there being a setting for the INI file per enabling the "Double Feature" QP menu option. When enabled, the normal QP functionality would not apply. There would also be settings for determining the color and opacity of the buttons, i.e. the highlight. In any event, I've had this on my wishlist for quite a while now. Thought it was a pretty cool idea, so I thought I'd share. I own a few retail "Double Feature" Blu-ray's that have menus similar to this. Could see this becoming a very popular feature.

[ggtop]

Hi jdobbs,

is it please possible to add Hotkeys for context menu entries "Preview this item" and "Blank this item" when in edit mode?

Today I wanted to use this great feature and was tired from clicking :-)

In the meantime I figured out that there is a Setting called "BLANK_THRESHOLD" which I hadn't in my config. Will try that next.

Thanks and Keep healthy,
ggtop

[musiclover]

I can do that. I'll probably just make it automatic. So if you select a menu background it will use it... but if there is another file with, say, an extension of some type -- it will look for it. I've done this for other things. For example:

The background image is "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

For the first page it would always use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"
For pages 2-x (for example) it would look for another jpg, but if it is not there it defaults to the first page.

So for page 2 it would look for "BACKGROUND_IMAGE_2.JPG" and if it exists it would use it, if not, it would use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

I may play with the name a little to see what works best, but you get where I'm coming from.

Is this feature implemented already?

[LowDead]

https://github.com/domyd/mlp

Would that be something that is useful to BD-RB once it irons out some bugs?

//LD

[tebasuna51]

If you want test mlp.exe use the version here: https://github.com/domyd/mlp/actions/runs/120022192

And you can select the stream to extract, now the official release only extract the first thd stream.

[Mark_Venture]

Is it possible for Movie Only backups that BD-Rebuilder can add the Source info into the INF? Currently it only shows the disc volume label.

Like for example.. the Entry in the BD-RB log shows....
Source: FINDING_DORY_00800 can that be added to the INF?

[jdobbs]

Is it possible for Movie Only backups that BD-Rebuilder can add the Source info into the INF? Currently it only shows the disc volume label.

Like for example.. the Entry in the BD-RB log shows....
Source: FINDING_DORY_00800 can that be added to the INF?Not sure I understand. The source information is already in the INF. For example, in the FINDING_DORY.INF file you would find an entry called:

[00800]

...with data related to that source following it.

[Mark_Venture]

Not sure I understand. The source information is already in the INF. For example, in the FINDING_DORY.INF file you would find an entry called:

[00800]

...with data related to that source following it.I'm probably going to do a bad job explaining this. Sorry.

Let me try with Spies In Disguise as the example...

BD-RB Log...
[08/03/20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.09
[08:32:12] Source: SPIES_IN_DISGUISE_00857
- Input BD size: 14.27 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:57:37.050]
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV Container, 1920x1080, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[08:32:14] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [08:32:14] Processing: VID_02975 (1 of 1)
- [08:32:14] Reencoding video [VID_02975]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 169,200 frames
- [08:32:14] Reencoding: VID_02975, Pass 1 of 1
- [08:40:05] Video Encode complete
- [08:40:05] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
[08:40:05]PHASE ONE complete
[08:40:05]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [08:40:05] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
[08:44:06] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[08:44:07] JOB: SPIES_IN_DISGUISE finished.

The resulting .INF
[Status]
LABEL=SPIES_IN_DISGUISE
VERSION=v0.61.09
SOURCE_SIZE=15317760000
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=15317760000
TARGET_SIZE=24641536000
REDUCTION=1.6086905657224
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=11
USE_LAVF=0
INSTANCES=1
DGDECNV=-1
DGDECIM=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
FFMS2=0
SSIF_MODE=0
UHD_V3_MODE=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=1
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[02975]
AUDIO=1
PGS=100
APULLDOWN=0
S1440=0
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=24641536000
NSIZE=0
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
So it looks like the VID_XXX that gets encoded is captured in the INF, and it appears that "Source: SPIES_IN_DISGUISE_00857" which is displayed on screen and captured in the log is indicating the disc volume/label and playlist that was selected for rebuilding.

In the case of Spies, I didn't realize there were two versions of the film, and that BD-RB picked the "super secret" version of the film when making the MKV. We didn't find out until we went to watch the movie for the first time (using the MKV via Plex). I had to then go back and re-encode it.

I've had this happen on other movies too that have multiple play lists.

Having the "SPIES_IN_DISGUISE_00857" also included in the INF, would help when going back to know which play list was selected before, so that I know which one to NOT pick when doing it again.

[jdobbs]

I'm probably going to do a bad job explaining this. Sorry.

Let me try with Spies In Disguise as the example...

BD-RB Log...

...

So it looks like the VID_XXX that gets encoded is captured in the INF, and it appears that "Source: SPIES_IN_DISGUISE_00857" which is displayed on screen and captured in the log is indicating the disc volume/label and playlist that was selected for rebuilding.

In the case of Spies, I didn't realize there were two versions of the film, and that BD-RB picked the "super secret" version of the film when making the MKV. We didn't find out until we went to watch the movie for the first time (using the MKV via Plex). I had to then go back and re-encode it.

I've had this happen on other movies too that have multiple play lists.

Having the "SPIES_IN_DISGUISE_00857" also included in the INF, would help when going back to know which play list was selected before, so that I know which one to NOT pick when doing it again.Ok. I see what you are saying. You want the PLAYLIST used recorded as well. The only complicating factor is that the INF would also exist for a full backup -- which isn't a specific playlist. I guess I could look at adding an entry to the [Status] area that might say MOVIE_ONLY_PLAYLIST=00857 (or something like that) when the output is movie-only.

[Mark_Venture]

Ok. I see what you are saying. You want the PLAYLIST used recorded as well. The only complicating factor is that the INF would also exist for a full backup -- which isn't a specific playlist. I guess I could look at adding an entry to the [Status] area that might say MOVIE_ONLY_PLAYLIST=00857 (or something like that) when the output is movie-only.Yes. That would be cool, IF you can add it.

I know there are other things you're working on... and this would be a "nice to have" not necessity.

Thank you

[jdobbs]

I can do that. I'll probably just make it automatic. So if you select a menu background it will use it... but if there is another file with, say, an extension of some type -- it will look for it. I've done this for other things. For example:

The background image is "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

For the first page it would always use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"
For pages 2-x (for example) it would look for another jpg, but if it is not there it defaults to the first page.

So for page 2 it would look for "BACKGROUND_IMAGE_2.JPG" and if it exists it would use it, if not, it would use "BACKGROUND_IMAGE.JPG"

I may play with the name a little to see what works best, but you get where I'm coming from.Is this feature implemented already?I've implemented this feature for the next release. It works just like I mentioned above.

Sorry it took so long. I meant to do it a while back... but I just forgot about it.

[Lowpro]

I've implemented this feature for the next release. It works just like I mentioned above.

Sorry it took so long. I meant to do it a while back... but I just forgot about it.Excellent news. Thanks!

[LowDead]

Had an idea and just wanted to throw it out there. I haven't searched the thread so if it has been suggested already please ignore.

On UHD disc where there's extras that are in AVC/h264. Would it be possible to have an option in the setup menu to convert these to HEVC with either x265 or NVEncC, depending on what encoder that have been selected?
For example on UHD of Waterworld where main movie is UHD version (135mins) and as extra there is the extended version (180mins) in 1080p AVC. I think there's some efficiency that can be made here with a switch to HEVC.

Thoughts, anyone?

//LD

[SquallMX]

Can you add a hidden option to remove the DolbyVision layer.

[jdobbs]

Had an idea and just wanted to throw it out there. I haven't searched the thread so if it has been suggested already please ignore.

On UHD disc where there's extras that are in AVC/h264. Would it be possible to have an option in the setup menu to convert these to HEVC with either x265 or NVEncC, depending on what encoder that have been selected?
For example on UHD of Waterworld where main movie is UHD version (135mins) and as extra there is the extended version (180mins) in 1080p AVC. I think there's some efficiency that can be made here with a switch to HEVC.

Thoughts, anyone?

//LDI'll look at it. I'm already looking at adding a feature where a standard 1080p disc can be reencoded to H265 in the format of a UHD disc (1080p is also supported in the UHD standard).

[jdobbs]

Can you add a hidden option to remove the DolbyVision layer. I should be able to do that -- but let me take a look at it before I promise anything.

[AmigaFuture]

Hello. :) Are you willing to add a hidden option to enable MULTIPROCESS again? For now I'm using 0.61.13 only for processing MKVs made by BD-RB to rerender some of my collection to small files again to MKV. My current Ryzen 3600 is faster than my GeForce GTX 780 using the nVIDIA rerender you added. The MULTIPROCESS is still viable. :)

[jdobbs]

Hello. :) Are you willing to add a hidden option to enable MULTIPROCESS again? For now I'm using 0.61.13 only for processing MKVs made by BD-RB to rerender some of my collection to small files again to MKV. My current Ryzen 3600 is faster than my GeForce GTX 780 using the nVIDIA rerender you added. The MULTIPROCESS is still viable. :)Yes. It should be available in the next release. It won't apply to UHD sources or to NVENC encodes, however.

[Weirdo]

When using the FORCE_ENCODE=1 hidden option, the "You have selected x output for a source with a fairly significant content." prompt appears. If I am correct in believing it to be superfluous, perhaps it could be skipped/removed?

[AmigaFuture]

Yes. It should be available in the next release. It won't apply to UHD sources or to NVENC encodes, however.

I'm very, very cool with Blu-ray. Or rather 1080P. Everything looks great, even pimples..which I didn't see with DVD - haha! I could understand why I might want to re-encode Phone videos (UHD), but...those are always smaller than BD and so on(, riiiight?).
Outside of BD, if someone wants MP...then much newer hardware is going to be required which is why you typed before that MULIPROCESS is becoming obsolete. Correct?

I'm curious.. If UHD Is Not the reason for MULTIPROCESS to become obsolete...what is? I can see UHD using the advantage of MP. Disregarding the need for storage. Which will become greater as M.2 NVMe becomes more widely accepted. Maybe I'm missing something..? I went M.2 with my Ryzen but it was several months after.

Anyway, Appreciation!!

[jdobbs]

Yes. It should be available in the next release. It won't apply to UHD sources or to NVENC encodes, however.I'm very, very cool with Blu-ray. Or rather 1080P. Everything looks great, even pimples..which I didn't see with DVD - haha! I could understand why I might want to re-encode Phone videos (UHD), but...those are always smaller than BD and so on(, riiiight?).
Outside of BD, if someone wants MP...then much newer hardware is going to be required which is why you typed before that MULIPROCESS is becoming obsolete. Correct?

I'm curious.. If UHD Is Not the reason for MULTIPROCESS to become obsolete...what is? I can see UHD using the advantage of MP. Disregarding the need for storage. Which will become greater as M.2 NVMe becomes more widely accepted. Maybe I'm missing something..? I went M.2 with my Ryzen but it was several months after.

Anyway, Appreciation!!I added the code to reenable MULTIPROCESS for the next release. It turned out to be a bit more involved than I'd initially hoped.

The reason it was disabled (in addition to my belief that it was no longer accomplishing anything) was because BD-RB started using the newer TSMUXER version as the default. There were changes in the file naming convention for multipart sources in the new TSMUXER.

[SquallMX]

Could you add using DGIndexNV as decoder when encoding UHD using x265?

[Weirdo]

An option to "extract all streams first"? This way, the source would soon not be required - helpful if it's an external device.

Also, it'd separate more clearly the extraction and encoding steps, and reveal possible source issues early in the process.

[musiclover]

Within NVENCC v0.10.7 (is this the latest version ??) it is possible to reencode the video and leave the audio intact. It would be nice to also have the ability to reencode the audio but keep the video intact.

[gonca]

Within NVENCC v0.10.7 (is this the latest version ??) it is possible to reencode the video and leave the audio intact
Yes, just select intact audio

[musiclover]

Yes, just select intact audio

Read again..... I want the video intact and the audio reencoded

[gonca]

Read again..... I want the video intact and the audio reencoded

Don't think there are any options for intact video

[musiclover]

Don't think there are any options for intact video

That's why this thread is called 'Feature Requests'

[musiclover]

Within NVENCC v0.10.7 (is this the latest version ??) it is possible to reencode the video and leave the audio intact. It would be nice to also have the ability to reencode the audio but keep the video intact.

Just a reminder of my request

[Ian1182]

If you wish to retain intact video just set the output size larger than input. For example on a 50GB Bluray, set the "custom target size" to be 90000 in the setup option. That seems to work for me. That does of course mean all video streams are left untouched. Or is your request for a selectable video to be untouched but the remainder processed?

[musiclover]

If you wish to retain intact video just set the output size larger than input. For example on a 50GB Bluray, set the "custom target size" to be 90000 in the setup option. That seems to work for me. That does of course mean all video streams are left untouched. Or is your request for a selectable video to be untouched but the remainder processed?

Read again please.... My request has nothing to do with BDRB. It is a request for NVENCCRE.

[Ian1182]

OK, my mistake

[mikeonecl]

there are any way to diferentiate subs forced

[musiclover]

there are any way to diferentiate subs forced

hahahahaha LOL

[musiclover]

Within NVENCC v0.10.7 (is this the latest version ??) it is possible to reencode the video and leave the audio intact. It would be nice to also have the ability to reencode the audio but keep the video intact.

Another reminder of my request

[jdobbs]

Just a reminder of my requestNVENCCRE uses NVENCC.exe to do the encode. Unfortunately that program has no option for intact video (at least in the versions I've tried).

I'd suggest you use ffmpeg (that's what NVENCC uses) to do the audio reencoding and keeping the video intact.

[jdobbs]

@Light Sleeper

This thread is reserved for feature requests. Your post was a bug report and has been moved to that thread.

[Hooman]

Hi, the 3d of BD-RB simply doesn't work in (my) standalone and software blu-ray players, it'd be a real good feature to implement SSIF structure and something other than FRIM (with the help of frameserving to a third-party commercial mvc encoder, like the days of DoItFast4U and BatchCCEWS) . Re-authoring the whole 3d blu-ray disc in Scenarist-BD is very tedious.

[Lowpro]

The "Quick-Play" feature appears to always encode the menu background at 23.976 fps. I'd like a hidden option added which provides for determining the frame rate to be used, i.e. 24, 25 or 30 fps instead for example.

Much of the content I author to Blu-ray is 1080p/24, not 1080p/23.976. I recently authored a TV series to Blu-ray for example, the episodes being in 1080p/24. In this case I didn't use BD Rebuilder to create the menu backgrounds as they would have been in 1080p/23.976. This would have resulted in my home theater receiver and display having to sync to the different frame rate every time the Blu-ray went back and forth between the Top Menu (23.976 fps) and given episode (24 fps). The signal is completely lost for a second or two as my equipment syncs to the new frame rate being used. The first couple seconds of audio and video have already elapsed as a result prior to the home theater receiver and display catching up to the Blu-ray player. It's quite disruptive and not at all the experience one would desire, especially if you're the one that took the time to author the content to Blu-ray. So in this case I encoded the menu backgrounds outside of BD Rebuilder instead, the resulting video being in 1080p/24, the transition from the Top Menu (24 fps) to given episode (24 fps) being seamless as my equipment isn't having to sync to a different frame rate. In any event, just thought I'd provide some background as to why I've suggested this BD Rebuilder feature enhancement. I can certainly continue working outside of BD Rebuilder when I need a menu background at 1080p/24. It sure would be sweet though if it were possible using BD Rebuilder instead.

[Weirdo]

Probably something already asked (perhaps even by me, years ago) - sorry if that's case. I did search.

Along with "Blank this item", it'd be really helpful having a "pass-through this item" option i.e. include it in the final output as-is, with no re-encoding. Would mostly help with lower quality videos (bonus material in most cases, of course) that are best left untouched, or just favourite items.

I guess this could only apply to video, since audio options are already quite flexible in the Setup Dialog, and audio re-encoding is way less noticeable anyway.

(All the best to jdobbs)

[musiclover]

Probably something already asked (perhaps even by me, years ago) - sorry if that's case. I did search.

Along with "Blank this item", it'd be really helpful having a "pass-through this item" option i.e. include it in the final output as-is, with no re-encoding. Would mostly help with lower quality videos (bonus material in most cases, of course) that are best left untouched, or just favourite items.

I guess this could only apply to video, since audio options are already quite flexible in the Setup Dialog, and audio re-encoding is way less noticeable anyway.

(All the best to jdobbs)

I can see this working for audio as well

[rostar99]

Please consider implementing support for VCEEncC (AMD GPU hardware encoders) like those implemented for NVENC (Nvidia GPU hardware encoders).

Thank you

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

With DGDecNV 252 now going 64-bit only that leaves BD-Rebuilder users being left using the 251 release. Is there any chance that we might see a 64-bit release of BD-Rebuilder? It'd be a shame to miss out on improved performance.


* Increased frame serving performance by about 33% (measured for UHD content).
* Added a temporal mode to DGDenoise().
* Added integrated versions of DGDenoise(), DGHDRtoSDR(), and DGSharpen(). These
integrated versions adhere to the CUDASynth philosophy of not copying back to the
GPU in-between filters, so filter chains defined on the DGSource() invocation run
on the GPU and transfer the final result back to the CPU at the end of the chain.
This can significantly improve performance for large frame sizes due to reduction
of load on the PCIe bus. Additional filters will be added in future versions.
* The syntax for opening a media file directly with DGSource(), rather than a DGI file, now
allows for either not demuxing all streams or demuxing all streams.
* An AVX2 version of DGDecodeNV.dll is included for slightly better performance on machines that
support AVX2.
* The DGDecodeNV user manual was brought fully up-to-date. Refer to it for explanations
of all the changes mentioned above.
* 32-bit support was dropped. If you must have it, build 251 is the recourse for you.

[iambryanknowles]

It appears it has been a long time since a new release, but I figured it's worth a shot. Could we get a force HEVC/x265 option for Blu-ray output? The quality per bitrate gains for 1080p sources is impressive. I've been making BD-5's out of Alternate HEVC with intact audio, but have to start a quick x264/standard encode to calculate bitrate, then abort, enter the value in alternate, then run tsmuxer on the resulting mkv for. Would be nice to have that process automated. Using AVCHD folder and burning without Certificate, the disc plays in my Magnavox player, so I'd imagine it would in higher end models. I'm pretty sure standard BD-25/50 x265 works in all players, so the option shouldn't cause issues.

[jdobbs]

It appears it has been a long time since a new release, but I figured it's worth a shot. Could we get a force HEVC/x265 option for Blu-ray output? The quality per bitrate gains for 1080p sources is impressive. I've been making BD-5's out of Alternate HEVC with intact audio, but have to start a quick x264/standard encode to calculate bitrate, then abort, enter the value in alternate, then run tsmuxer on the resulting mkv for. Would be nice to have that process automated. Using AVCHD folder and burning without Certificate, the disc plays in my Magnavox player, so I'd imagine it would in higher end models. I'm pretty sure standard BD-25/50 x265 works in all players, so the option shouldn't cause issues.Add the following to the "[Options]" area of your BDREBUILDER.INI:

UHD_CONVERT_ENABLE=1

This will make an option available under the SETTINGS/OUTPUT OPTIONS menu called "Convert BD to UHD-BD (HEVC) Format"

If I understand your request correctly, that should do what you are asking.

[iambryanknowles]

Add the following to the "[Options]" area of your BDREBUILDER.INI:

UHD_CONVERT_ENABLE=1

This will make an option available under the SETTINGS/OUTPUT OPTIONS menu called "Convert BD to UHD-BD (HEVC) Format"

If I understand your request correctly, that should do what you are asking.

Thank You! Looks like that's exactly what I needed.

[iambryanknowles]

Was wondering if you could allow SD to 1080 and 720 to 1080 to be followed up with 1920x1080 to 1440x1080 if both options are checked.

[iambryanknowles]

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I was wondering if you could add an option that when True HD and eac3 are converted, if they could be converted to lpcm. I do a lot of AVCHDs and need the extra video bitrate, so typically convert audio to 448kbps ac3. Was hoping to avoid quality reduction from going ac3 to ac3.

[-spacex-]

@jdobbs I asked if this was a feature a few years ago, thought I’d revisit the idea and see if you’d be up to adding the option: A setting that will automatically start the backup process after the import is complete. Currently I load the MKV from the file menu and hit start. It does the first 3 steps to load the file. Then I have to hit the backup button, which then does everything else. A singe click solution would be a great addition.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs I asked if this was a feature a few years ago, thought I’d revisit the idea and see if you’d be up to adding the option: A setting that will automatically start the backup process after the import is complete. Currently I load the MKV from the file menu and hit start. It does the first 3 steps to load the file. Then I have to hit the backup button, which then does everything else. A singe click solution would be a great addition.I'll look at it.

[Lathe]

I THINK there is a way to change the playlist when using BDRB, but I forgot what it was.

Basically, I have one of those really rare Blu-rays that when you do a full disc backup and you 'Blank' the main movie in order to create just an Xtras disc, it blanks everything. It's also one of those annoying Blu-rays that divides the main movie up into many m2ts files.

Now, I've already used BDRB thankfully to gather all the stupid main movie files and rending them to a normal playable Blu-ray. But, when I went to create an Xtras only disc, if I Blank the main movie, everything is blanked. IIRC this has something to do with choosing a different playlist, right?

Is that possible?

Also, I generally try to keep the menus and such intact for just the Xtras, is that possible to do?

Thanks!