BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[jdobbs]

Ive been doing that a lot lately because I usually replace audios and subs, But I want to know if its posible to replace a .vc1 with a .264 file. Ive tried changing the extension inside the mux file, but the mux file is rewrited every time you restart the process.

And I have another question, sorry if this has been asked a lot before, Its posible to chose what streams to process and what streams you need to remain untouched? for example when a full BD is 25gb, but the movies is 20gb and the extras 5gb, I only need to compress the extras to 50% and not the entire BD.

thank youOnly if you do the reencode -- that way BD-RB has already updated the MPLS and CLPI telling it that a .264 file is used.

You can't currently tell BD-RB which streams to leave untouched. Maybe some day.

[Capsbackup]

You can currently tell BD-RB which streams to leave untouched. Maybe some day.

I think you mean "cannot" :( ;)

[jdobbs]

I think you mean "cannot" :( ;)Whoops, corrected. :o

[sparkyar]

Only if you do the reencode -- that way BD-RB has already updated the MPLS and CLPI telling it that a .264 file is used.

You can't currently tell BD-RB which streams to leave untouched. Maybe some day.

thanks. eagerly waiting for that day :)

[sreemv]

Is there a way to force bd-rebuilder to see ALL the playlists in a FULL backup to a BD50?

Tried setting MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0 & MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 but it still skips play lists that are much bigger in size and duration - wonder why?

[jdobbs]

Is there a way to force bd-rebuilder to see ALL the playlists in a FULL backup to a BD50?

Tried setting MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0 & MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 but it still skips play lists that are much bigger in size and duration - wonder why? Give me an example disc and show me how you're checking it. It shouldn't miss any with MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0.

By the way, there's never a reason to use BD-RB (or any other backup software) if you are writing to BD50... any source should fit. The only exception might be if you have somehow created a source (by combining discs) that is larger than BD50 -- and that would qualify as "preprocessing" -- which excludes bug reporting.

[sreemv]

I tried 2 discs both are foreign releases - let me know how you would like me to show you the structure/content?

As to the why part, I am processing the videos/avs files after demux through other means before re-building. I like the way bd-rebuilder demuxes and remuxes. I just would like it to do all the .mpls so I get the full disc pre-processed before rebuilding.

Currently, bd-rebuilder is picking the larger [duration/size] .mpls [main movie and bigger titlesets] but still skipping smaller ones. the smaller ones its skipping are anywhere between few seconds to few min duration. Could it be skipping the initial banners/commercials playlists? I take that back, on one of the disks it skipped much bigger sized title.

I can demux the other .mpls with eac3to separately and process them but I doubt bd-rebuilder would pick them?

I am not saying this was a bug - I thought this is a feature request thread?

[Capsbackup]

Give me an example disc and show me how you're checking it. It shouldn't miss any with MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0.


I have had this issue as well on many discs, and one in particular I was doing recently is a Universal title, Jurassic Park.
I am unable to blank the warnings because their playlists do not show up in BD-RB. :(
I have MIN_M2TS_SIZE=1 and MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0 set.
However, if I open this Blu-ray with multiAVCHD, in Re-Author mode, these playlists do show up and I am able to blank them.
multiAVCHD reports 71 available playlists for this title.
BD-RB shows 24 available VID_xxxxx/playlists. :confused:

[kanid99]

How about 720 extras with 1080 main movie? Is that still in the pipe for a coming feature?

[Denner]

I would really love to be able to set a maximum bit-rate for the extras, that way I would be able to set a really low bit-rate for the extras and leave a lot of space for the main feature :cool:

Do you think that would be possible to integrate this ?

[omegaman7]

I believe he was planning to implement bitrate distribution eventually. It was more concentrating on other bugs up until now. Of course, I'm sure he has a checklist of most important things to implement first. I'm sure he sees the benefits of compressing extras further. Especially where some discs, don't compress SOME of the extras at all.

[Denner]

Sounds good and keeping my fingers crossed :)

[colinhunt]

I would definitely love to see user bitrate distribution. I'm doing it manually at the moment, by re-encoding m2ts files one by one, but it's a gigantic PITA. Even a simple functionality, like right-clicking a playlist item and selecting 'low', 'medium' or 'high' to set how much of the bitbudget each item gets would be very welcome.

[jdobbs]

I'll probably just provide a method through which you can allocate more or less to extras (as a whole) and the space saved will be reallocated to the feature. Of course the issue becomes how you work it on series discs. Unfortunately there's no "I'm the feature" flag in bluray clips. You could end up with one really good episode followed by four that suck.

[omegaman7]

Perhaps if we could also manually tell it the proper "flags"? Much like we tell it what to blank, we could tell it NOT an extra ;)

[jdobbs]

I want to avoid making it complicated. Frankly on most discs there isn't much reason to do this anyway -- as the original already has allocated a lower bitrate to extras, and the percentage-of-total would be proportionately allocated on the copy. So the necessity for its use should be the exception anyway.

[omegaman7]

I hear ya. I'm sure whatever you come up with, it will be logical, and non complicated ;)

[sparkyar]

Hi, I would like to ask for a feature, I sometimes encode a movie several times till I get the results I desire, and sometimes I forgot to change the "working path" and it happened to be the same as the "source path" (yeah, I know its my fault for not doublechecking)...

so it would be great to have a warning message when you try to start the backup process but "source path" and "working path" are the same. Sorry if the feature is already there and I didnt found it :)

[bekar]

Hi, I would like to ask for a feature, I sometimes encode a movie several times till I get the results I desire, and sometimes I forgot to change the "working path" and it happened to be the same as the "source path" (yeah, I know its my fault for not doublechecking)...

so it would be great to have a warning message when you try to start the backup process but "source path" and "working path" are the same. Sorry if the feature is already there and I didnt found it

[RobertM]

Bekar,

Did you actually post that spam " ~live stream Bengals vs Chiefs..." thread? It's not appropriate in this forum.

[SilverBlade]

I would love the ability to 'blank' out extras that I don't need or want.

This is especially useful for discs with TV series.

[jdobbs]

I would love the ability to 'blank' out extras that I don't need or want.

This is especially useful for discs with TV series.See this link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1526277#post1526277).

[Ch3vr0n]

I was wondering if it would be possible to add an alternate movie-only output option for divx (specifically .avi). I'm pretty sure it's no container that can hold subs, but needs hardcoded subs if they are wanted. Would this be possible? .avi output ( & probably hardcoded subs)?

** edit ** Reason i'm asking is well because it would save me from having to output to DVD-5/9 then burn to a blank in order to watch it. I would then be able to simply output to avi on my FAT32 usb stick. Y i know fat 32, my panny DMP-BD85 doesnt read NTFS so it would have to come out with a max size of 4GB but i assume BDRB would handle that? The video specs to my player are limited too. Which is why i'm asking. It doesnt support mkv

specs: http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9974/pannyvideospecs.png

[jdobbs]

Feature Requests: x264 10 bits


What does “saving bandwidth” mean?
Bandwidth is saved if less bit-rate is needed, keeping the same video quality. When comparing
encoders or encoding technologies, both bit-rate and video quality has to be considered: less bit-rate
keeping the same quality is equivalent to more quality keeping the same bit-rate.

What is a better video quality?
The video quality is better when the decoded video is closer to the source. The most common way of
expressing “closeness” in video processing is stating that there are less errors relative to the pixel bitdepth. For example, a 1 error bit on a 8-bit signal provide the same relative error than 3 bits of error
in a 10-bit signal: 7 bits only are actually meaningful in both cases.

Where are errors introduced in a MPEG encoder?
Video is compressed with a lossy process that introduce errors relative to the source: the
quantization process. Since those errors are relative, they do not depend of the source pixel
bit-depth; but only on encoding tools efficiency when a given bit-rate has to be achieved.

What happens with 10-bit video source when using a “perfect” MPEG encoder?
A 10-bit source carries about 20% more information than an 8-bit one. Assuming the same encoding
tools efficiency, the same bit-rate can be achieved just by quantizing 4 times more (2 bits). Since the
relative error is the same in both cases, the video quality should not change.

So why does a AVC/H.264 10-bit encoder perform better than 8-bit?
When encoding with the 10-bit tool, the compression process is performed with at least 10-bit
accuracy compared to only 8-bit otherwise. So there is less truncation errors, especially in the motion
compensation stage, increasing the efficiency of compression tools. As a consequence, there is less
need to quantize to achieve a given bit-rate.
The net result is a better quality for the same bit-rate or conversely less bit-rate for the same quality:
between 5% and 20% on typical sources.


info :http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdfI don't see how this relates to a "feature request" thread?

Please review rule #3 -- and let's try to keep on topic.

[lauguru]

added please at the end of the work, the total time of the entire process
* example: 1hours 20 minutes 30 seconds

[tanzer21]

Can't seem to find the answer to this question but.... does the bdrebuilder have the capability of changing profile 1.1 and above bluray's to profile 1.0 and below for older players and media players that support this? If not, could that be a possible feature added in the future?

[jdobbs]

Can't seem to find the answer to this question but.... does the bdrebuilder have the capability of changing profile 1.1 and above bluray's to profile 1.0 and below for older players and media players that support this? If not, could that be a possible feature added in the future?No it doesn't. Although I believe doing a movie-only backup should result in a Profile 1.0.

I don't think there are a lot of Profile 1.0 players still out there.

[tanzer21]

Ahhh I was hoping. I want to keep the original bluray menu and the extras if possible. True not a lot of profile 1.0 players out there but some of the media players can only go to profile 1.0 bd menus currently. I'm not sure if it's even possible to downgrade a profile 1.1 to a profile 1.0 or not to be honest. Been looking everywhere for an answer to that question with no results. Still I love BD rebuilder, fantastic program all around!

[jdobbs]

Ahhh I was hoping. I want to keep the original bluray menu and the extras if possible. True not a lot of profile 1.0 players out there but some of the media players can only go to profile 1.0 bd menus currently. I'm not sure if it's even possible to downgrade a profile 1.1 to a profile 1.0 or not to be honest. Been looking everywhere for an answer to that question with no results. Still I love BD rebuilder, fantastic program all around! I think that would just involve removing any PiP (bonus view). But I think a lot of discs these days are Profile 2.0.

[tanzer21]

Profile 2.0 would most likely need to be able to remove the BD Live aspect on top of removing the PiP bonus view. I wonder if there is something out there that can do that without messing with the original menu structure of the bluray. But that's probably a question for another forum post, I don't want to clutter up this thread with off topic conversation. I appreciate all the input you've given me, thanks again!

[Wolfe999]

Hi,

It would be nice to have the option, in full backup, to default a subtitle, like in movie only.

Thanx :)

[Ch3vr0n]

Suggestion for a tweak to the OUTPUT_FOLDER hidden option. On my last rebuild i had that option set to "Z:\BDRB Rebuilds", however i had actually created the folder on my Y: drive (Y:\BRDB rebuilds), probably have a routine in place to check if the path exists before issueing the move command. However since i had an invalid path the iso was not moved. My suggestion for a tweak is that when BDRB determines that the output path does not exist (either before the rebuild or after it) a popup is displayed to check output settings if an alert is made before the rebuild is started, or when the alert is done AFTER the rebuild an alert (limited time)popup (say 10sec eg) is either displayed or an entry is made into the BDRB logfile, so if the build completes when afk the user is notified of the invalid path

[Category 5]

Just tried a demo of DVD fab and did a re-encode that took me 3:20 on BD rebuilder in 1:20! Holy cow! Problem is the software feels dumbed down, convoluted and expensive.

This begs the question thouh. When do you plan to implement quick sync into BD rebuilder. The difference is not subtle at all. It's incredible.

I can't imagine you can ignore it for too much longer.

[RobertM]

Just tried a demo of DVD fab and did a re-encode that took me 3:20 on BD rebuilder in 1:20! Holy cow!

Encode time is highly dependent on quality settings. What makes you think that the settings you used in DVDFab are the same as those you picked in BD-RB?

[jdobbs]

You need to compare apples-to-apples. If it is faster than X264 -- the likelihood is very high you are getting lower quality. If you don't mind low quality, then why do Blu-ray... why not just stick with DVD?

[writersblock29]

@Category 5: Ah, but how does the quality of the DVDFab encode compare? Keep in mind that the more bells and whistles you add to X264, the slower it runs... but the higher the quality for a given bit rate. Unless something's changed, the last I heard DVDFab uses X264 as well, so I'd wager this is where your speed difference is really coming from.

Jdobbs can certainly step in and correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason why BD Rebuilder makes the encoder setting choices it does is because the higher your bit rate, the less the extra bells and whistles in X264 matter. 25GB is a lot of space, so it often takes higher bit rates than, say, a BD9. Hence, it often takes longer to make a BD9 than it does a BD-R of 25GB. It's all in the encoder's settings and expected quality for a given filesize.

Besides, how much is your time worth? Even if all things were equal on the quality front, BD Rebuilder only costs your downloading time and a voluntary donation (of whatever amount you feel is fair). DVDFab costs a chunk of your kid's college education in order to buy enough features to make it worth using. You can always start encoding before going to bed, and not miss the time at all.

I'll step off my soapbox for now, and apologize for wandering further off topic.

[SquallMX]

DVDFab x264 settings for Blu-ray are weird as hell (HQ Mode), Me Range 64, but not trellis or MB-Tree, and Subme 4 (so no psy-rd neither), and since it uses ABR mode the quality of movies with complex scenarios is just Crappy. Too bad that is the only program that support (buggy) 3-D recoding...

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs, i've got a small request. Would it be possible to add/change to overwrite routine to do the following? Silently overwrite the final output folder if it already exists? Right now it asks if you would like to overwrite the folder, but it's kind of hard to say yes if you're away

[RobertM]

Silently overwrite the final output folder if it already exists?

Or, continue to ask the question as it does now, but time-out after a minute or so and then automatically create a new folder adding a suffix to the original name.

[lauguru]

please add the option to convert and maintain audio tracks individually. eg:

english dtsma 7.1 = english dts 5.1
french dtsma 5.1 = french dtsma 5.1
spanish dtsma 5.1 = spanish dtsma 5.1
russian 5.1 = russian 2.0
Chinese 5.1 = chinese 2.0
thai 5.1 = thai 2.0

thanks Jdobbs

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, i've got a small request. Would it be possible to add/change to overwrite routine to do the following? Silently overwrite the final output folder if it already exists? Right now it asks if you would like to overwrite the folder, but it's kind of hard to say yes if you're away

There's a hidden option that disables the prompt:

OVERWRITE_PROMPT=0

If that is set then the output will be renamed slightly (rather than overwriting) and there is no prompt. I just really hesitate to do something as drastic as killing something that might represent several hours of work in the output folder without at least getting an affirmative "do it" from the user.

[jdobbs]

please add the option to convert and maintain audio tracks individually. eg:

english dtsma 7.1 = english dts 5.1
french dtsma 5.1 = french dtsma 5.1
spanish dtsma 5.1 = spanish dtsma 5.1
russian 5.1 = russian 2.0
Chinese 5.1 = chinese 2.0
thai 5.1 = thai 2.0

thanks JdobbsI'll look at it and see how hard it might be to do.

[lauguru]

I'll look at it and see how hard it might be to do.

thank you very much for trying;)

[RobertM]

There's a hidden option that disables the prompt:

OVERWRITE_PROMPT=0

If that is set then the output will be renamed slightly (rather than overwriting) and there is no prompt.

That's great! Didn't know about that one. Suits me perfectly.

[jdobbs]

That's great! Didn't know about that one. Suits me perfectly. Just as an FYI, batch mode works the same way, there's never a prompt.

[Ch3vr0n]

I'll have a look into that option but it's not fully what i want/need. I had a rebuild halfway into the file rebuild when the output folder was created and getting filled. That overwrite_prompt=0 would unless i'm mistaking create a new folder similar to the 1st one and fill that one. That would result in me having duplicate content and a big space waster, as you well know the BDRB output by default varies from anywhere of 21-23GB. In my case the first rebuild failed at 17GB, and the retry completed rebuild was 22.5GB. Meaning i'd have 39.5GB for 1 disc with 17 of it being duplicated content in an incomplete folder.

Perhaps a hidden option like overwrite_confirm=1 could tell BDRB to actually overwrite the existing content without prompting

[sparkyar]

Hi, there is no way to blank a secondary video(pip), right? because they are uselees without the dts-express and I could backup Argo and two other movies (and probably more) in a bd25 without compressing the video of the movie ;)
thanks!

[gamete]

is possibile to have a option temp folder ?

INPUT FOLDER
TEMP FOLDER
OUTPUT FOLDER

my hard disk thanks

[omegaman7]

is possibile to have a option temp folder ?

INPUT FOLDER
TEMP FOLDER
OUTPUT FOLDER

my hard disk thanks

You would be increasing the process/transfer time...

[gamete]

now in the output folder , there are temporary files
and in the same folder after compression , there will be the compressed files ready to burn
the hard disk is forced to read and write in the same position when the structure of bluray is created after compression

I would like if possible

input folder, in D
temp folder in E
output folder in D


sorry for my bad english