BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[had-z]

Hi jdobbs, i'm looking for an option to keep the main feature intact and only reencode the extras, when the main movie is enough small without the HD-Audio

i.e. Batman Begins, the main movie weights ~17gb without the HD-AudioTrack, the extras will fit in the remaining 6gb (I thought is more than suficient), i don't want to reencode this movie because the original source already has a so-so quality (looks like a ~8gb mkv) and i save a lot of time if i can keep the movie intact.

Cheers.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs, i'm looking for an option to keep the main feature intact and only reencode the extras, when the main movie is enough small without the HD-Audio

i.e. Batman Begins, the main movie weights ~17gb without the HD-AudioTrack, the extras will fit in the remaining 6gb (I thought is more than suficient), i don't want to reencode this movie because the original source already has a so-so quality (looks like a ~8gb mkv) and i save a lot of time if i can keep the movie intact.

Cheers. I'll look at it and see.

[omegaman7]

3rd Pass option?

[JoeH]

If I understand correctly, 3rd pass is totally useless for X264.

[omegaman7]

Then one day, perhaps it will be succeeded by another encoder. I'm no programmer, but I can see the potential to improve upon the outputted video :) Don't get me wrong, X264 is great, but why stop there?
I almost wonder if the industry is attempting to encode their videos in such a way, that when encoded again, it becomes lossy. What's a really good blu ray source for testing compression? The best picture you've ever seen?

[worknstiff]

Well.... You'll get a lot of discussion on this point, but if I had to choose one, I'd have to say Baraka. It was filmed with 65mm and scanned with an 8k UltraDigital HD Process, which really shows in the amazing PQ, imho.

[omegaman7]

Looks like something I may be interested in. Thanks, I'll be checking that out for sure!

[jdobbs]

Then one day, perhaps it will be succeeded by another encoder. I'm no programmer, but I can see the potential to improve upon the outputted video :) Don't get me wrong, X264 is great, but why stop there?
I almost wonder if the industry is attempting to encode their videos in such a way, that when encoded again, it becomes lossy. What's a really good blu ray source for testing compression? The best picture you've ever seen? Are you sure your problems aren't in the playback? I don't think you will find a better encoder than X264 (at any price). Frankly I'm amazed at the quality I get every time I use it.

Encoders that use 3+ passes are either trying to use a gimmick (to sell themselves) or are making up for lousy analysis during the first pass. Once you make a single pass you have all the information needed to allocate available resources and do knowledgable encoding (pass 2).

[omegaman7]

Noted. Thanks JD. I have been leaning toward rendering settings as well ;) Powerdvd did play slightly better.

[jdobbs]

Noted. Thanks JD. I have been leaning toward rendering settings as well ;) Powerdvd did play slightly better. X264 supports more passes, and I could enable it easy enough -- but I'd feel a little "dishonest" in doing so. It makes people feel they are getting something that they really are not.

[omegaman7]

You explained it well enough. I'm gonna have to agree with you ;)

[StanHere]

J Dobbs:

1) Please "Try Again" for a """BDR Feature Request ONLY""" thread....only for BDR Features!!!!!

2) If 1) is done, my request: for BDR 25's ....Option to keep source DTS audio as is AND add a second AC 5.1 /6ch at say 640kbit or 440kbit if feasible.
_____________________
Since this thread is now convoluted................ :p
a) Really looking forward to BDR's full potential !!!!
b) Given A), Had to make a $15 developer's donation...Hope it Helps.

Thank You

[emilio99]

It would ne nice when it is possible to rip the 3D-Stream untouched, so the output will become Full-Side-by-Side.

Whats the plan with 3D integration?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs, @A.Fenderson

Are the audiostreams listed in the analysis taken DIRECTLY from the original, commercial Blu-ray disc, or are they taken from the BD-RB processed version?

Unless I'm misinterpreting the posts regarding "The Notebook" audiostreams, I believe that "something is rotten in Denmark". The PRIMARY audiostream isn't likely to be 2 channel 192kbps .AC3, is it? That description sounds like a .WAV portion of an LPCM stream...

The following is a listing, per "HiDef Digest" of the audiostreams contained in the Blu-ray version of "The Notebook":

Audio Formats
English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound
English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
Russian Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound

If the "HiDef Digest" listing is correct and complete, I don't understand how the multip0le 2 channel 192kbps streams can exist...

[A.Fenderson]

@jdobbs, @A.Fenderson

Are the audiostreams listed in the analysis taken DIRECTLY from the original, commercial Blu-ray disc, or are they taken from the BD-RB processed version?

Unless I'm misinterpreting the posts regarding "The Notebook" audiostreams, I believe that "something is rotten in Denmark". The PRIMARY audiostream isn't likely to be 2 channel 192kbps .AC3, is it? That description sounds like a .WAV portion of an LPCM stream...

The following is a listing, per "HiDef Digest" of the audiostreams contained in the Blu-ray version of "The Notebook":

Audio Formats
English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround Sound
English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
Russian Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound

If the "HiDef Digest" listing is correct and complete, I don't understand how the multip0le 2 channel 192kbps streams can exist...

If you're referring to this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1502436#post1502436), that m2ts file (named 00024.m2ts, with size 311 MB, and ripped straight from the original pressed BD, as mentioned) was an extra--it was not any part of the feature/main-movie playlist (which I believe was only 1 file). I didn't mean to imply that the m2ts file in question was part of the feature/main-movie, or that all the m2ts files exhibited this behavior, but only that an appreciable portion of the m2ts files that comprise the extra/bonus content do exhibit these space-wasting, duplicate audio streams.

I'm not where I can verify this, but this may additionally have been one of those discs I mentioned previously (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1502113#post1502113) where the feature/main-movie set of m2ts files did have a completely redundant, stand-alone AC3 track which exactly mirrors the compatability-track tacked onto the THD track, and therefore does waste space in the feature/movie file(s).

[setarip_old]

I'm not where I can verify this, but this may additionally have been one of those discs I mentioned previously where the feature/main-movie set of m2ts files did have a completely redundant, stand-alone AC3 track which exactly mirrors the compatability-track tacked onto the THD track, and therefore does waste space in the feature/movie file(s).From what I can see, this does indeed appear to be the case with "The Notebook", a January 2009 Blu-ray release.

I mention and highlight the date because it's entirely possible (and believable) that at this early point in Blu-ray production, thorough knowledge regarding disc structuring (menus, in particular) may have been somewhat lacking. (Not that this presentation of "First play" is "wrong", but it has proven to be less desirable and now is hardly ever used.)This disc plays the movie first, requiring the user to access the menu from the movie.

IIRC, the menu that is accessed this way is not actually a "Main Menu", but rather a menu of the "Extras" plus a link to "Play" (and setup). It's my sense that, for lack of knowledge, a disc was prepared that had separate sets of audiostream pairs (Commentary On and Commentary Off) for each of the "Extras" categories - as well as, for the main movie, a True HD audiostream and (as you speculated) an unnecessary separate 640 5.1 .AC3 audiostream...

[had-z]

I'll look at it and see.

Hi! finally i do the backup without reencoding the main movie (Batman Begins) moved the main movie (17gb) to another folder and encode all the remaining stuff to a specific target (6400mb), after the reeconding is done i moved the movie to the rebuilded folder and the total size was of 23,1gb!! perfect for burn bd25 and the best part is the innecesary reencode of the movie.

After this procedure i thought would be amazing an option to no reencode specific titles. i.e. right-click "no reencode" next to the option for preview titles.
Another great feature would be compress a selected group of m2ts to a specific target size, this feature would be very useful for titles with a lot of extras i.e inglourious basterds or iron man 1 allowing a higher bitrate for the movie.

Cheers jdoobs.

[berndy2001]

@option to keep the main feature intact and only reencode the extras
I'll look at it and see.

that would be awesome. Like in DVD-RB where you can select for each stream to keep it, reencode it or blank it.

Edit: Read the previous post is hard. sorry.

Also a great option would be to downscale selected streams (like extras) to 720p.

[jfcarbel]

1. blanking of selected streams. multiAVCHD has accomplished this so its seems possible to do.

2. Ability to pass in # of seconds to chop from end of titles (credits cutting) and use as a tsmuxer parm option. Maybe this could simple start as a HIDDEN_OPTS.

3. As mentioned in prior post, ability to create a DVD-9 consisting of everything but the main movie (i.e. a bonus/supplements) disc.

[owine]

Feature request, or maybe already possible but I didn't see it. Save the ISO file (if selected) to a directory other than the workfiles directory. Could be defined for all jobs or on a specific basis.

[setarip_old]

@jfcarbel

Hi! blanking of selected streams. multiAVCHD has accomplished this so its seems possible to do. Not if you want to retain menus and other "non-movie-only" functions.

[jfcarbel]

@jfcarbel

Hi! Not if you want to retain menus and other "non-movie-only" functions.

Sorry, I do not follow I have blanked out many forced previews,etc on Warner titles and the menu comes up and works just fine.

[jdobbs]

Sorry, I do not follow I have blanked out many forced previews,etc on Warner titles and the menu comes up and works just fine. The original menus, or the one created by MultiAVCHD?

[Capsbackup]

The original menus, or the one created by MultiAVCHD?

The original menus work fine after using multiAVCHD in Blu-ray re-author mode to blank unwanted trailers, FBI warnings, adverts, etc... It is important to be very selective to what is being blanked, since there can be several menu .m2ts files that make up the working menu, and other dependent files that are necessary to keep. :cool:
I use re-author mode successfully quite often for the above mentioned! :)

Note: If I were to experience any kind of problem after using this method, I would NOT report it in the bug report thread ! ;)

[setarip_old]

My apologies. It appears that I've overlooked the following thread regarding using multiAVCHD for re-authoring while retaining the original menu(s):

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361599#post1361599

[jdobbs]

My apologies. It appears that I've overlooked the following thread regarding using multiAVCHD for re-authoring while retaining the original menu(s):

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361599#post1361599 Don't feel alone. I didn't know it could do it either.

[OgonBatto]

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for your great software!!!
I don't know if my suggestion is out of the scope of the BD Rebuilder, but I will try.
I like to suggest a routine to replace the audio and/or the subtitles tracks. Would be nice if I can replace, for example, a "whatever language" .sup subtitle for a "my language" .sup(that was previously created by me).
Especially for subtitles it would be very nice.
Sorry my bad English.
Thank you a lot.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for your great software!!!
I don't know if my suggestion is out of the scope of the BD Rebuilder, but I will try.
I like to suggest a routine to replace the audio and/or the subtitles tracks. Would be nice if I can replace, for example, a "whatever language" .sup subtitle for a "my language" .sup(that was previously created by me).
Especially for subtitles it would be very nice.
Sorry my bad English.
Thank you a lot. I'll look at a way to make it easier -- but you can do that now (at least for titles that are all in one M2TS).

1. After encoding of the main feature M2TS is completed and before rebuild starts, stop the job.
2. Replace the .SUP file for the track you want to change with the one you created.
3. Resume the job.

BD-RB then rebuilds with the .SUPs that are there, whether they are the original or your own.

You could also wait until the entire job is complete, and then do step 2 followed by starting the job. When it says "Resume?" -- just say yes. It will redo the rebuild, but not the encoding.

[Video Dude]

jdobbs, do you know if it would be possible for BD-RB to change the color of .sup subtitles? A number of movies have yellow subtitles and I would prefer to make all the subtitles I backup light gray.

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, do you know if it would be possible for BD-RB to change the color of .sup subtitles? A number of movies have yellow subtitles and I would prefer to make all the subtitles I backup light gray. It's certainly possible. The color map is included in the .SUP file. I'd have to see how much work it would be. Probably the easiest way would be to change the color palette to shades of gray.

[OgonBatto]

I'll look at a way to make it easier -- but you can do that now (at least for titles that are all in one M2TS).

1. After encoding of the main feature M2TS is completed and before rebuild starts, stop the job.
2. Replace the .SUP file for the track you want to change with the one you created.
3. Resume the job.

BD-RB then rebuilds with the .SUPs that are there, whether they are the original or your own.

You could also wait until the entire job is complete, and then do step 2 followed by starting the job. When it says "Resume?" -- just say yes. It will redo the rebuild, but not the encoding.

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for the tip!!

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs,
Thank you for the tip!! Let me know how it works out.

[OgonBatto]

Let me know how it works out.

Ok, I will do the test on weekend. Thanks!

[OgonBatto]

Hi jdobbs,
I did the test. It's worked like a charm!
After the entire job was completed, I replaced the .sup file and started / resumed the job.
So, using an hex editor, I changed the 3 letters idiom on the correspondent playlist and clipinf.
Hope you understand my bad english.
Thank you so much!

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs i was wondering if you've thought already about the previously mentioned idea by me and several others to have a 3rd path labelled "Output Path" to minimize HDD overhead even more. It would seriously decrease my "encoding workload". Also how's that idea comming along i pmed about, any progress on that ? ;)

[JoeH]

Jdobbs i was wondering if you've thought already about the previously mentioned idea by me and several others to have a 3rd path labelled "Output Path" to minimize HDD overhead even more. It would seriously decrease my "encoding workload".

+1 :thanks:

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Of all the suggestions and requests for enhancing BD Rebuilder, I believe there's only one that would actually address information that exists on some Blu-rays that BD Rebuilder is still unable to process - namely, "DTS Express" audiostreams.

I would respectfully request that, for the sake of completeness, "DTS Express" should be at the top of the list regarding enhancements (Obviously, bug fixes take priority over this and other such requests)...

[djmasturbeat]

I am really hoping for a stable blanking feature.
I know you said you have been running into snags trying to implement it, and I am not surprised.

I can do this sometimes with programs like Clown_BD BD Copier, but as I use this feature a lot for splitting series BD50s to 2xBD25, this plain doesn't always work. One of the main causes of a borked split disc is "Play All" (of course). Not all discs with this actually come out bad, but many do. I actually had some success on some discs that failed in other programs, by just making very small dummy m2ts files in place of the episodes m2ts. For some reason this comes out better than the ones reauthored by Copier (tried both regular and TSMuxer mode, btw) and other software. I am sure this is really fudging it, but for whatever this works at times when other methods don't. It results in sometimes a rather long pause starting the second disc by way of "Play All" (much like the pause that occurs when using play all on second disc of after doing a DVD9 split with VobBlanker... it has to run through the blanked m2ts first... unfortunately we don't have a BD equivalent of pgcedit or atleast one I know of or understand how to use, since for me, trying to figure out BDEdit is a mess, and it still has no manual)
Sometimes these discs just plain don't want to be split tho, no matter what I have tried. they may play the menu fine but get stuck there. some play the logos and other first play items, but that is IT. stops even before the menu.
The worst cases are ones with only one MPLS for all of the episodes on the disc (seriously). there might be other MPLS files, but they are just logos and play first adverts and the sort. If I try to split these types the best version of the second half of the disc that I get is one with video but no audio.

I know the feature that you are working on that should work once blanking does, is the ability for things like menu and extras. I do this kind of thing a lot too. Make a BD25 of movie or movie+menu, and make a BD5 (or 2 or 3) of extras +menu. they also can have really weird issues.
heck, sometimes just blanking things in Copier and doing a movie and menu sometimes also results in an unplayable disc (getting stuck at menu or logos, etc)


anyhow, I know I don't know anything about how this stuff really works, but I can appreciate, from my laymanview, the complexity of this request, what with all the ways clips can be called, etc, etc.

So, yes this is my most sought-after feature, so thanks for continuing to work on this difficult feature that is deceptively though by some as easy to create. I hope I have enough spare $ around to donate when this one gets added. I am poor, but I certainly will try to find a way to chip in something for this feature =)

..

I also would like to be able to have different Work path and Output path. It is available in DVDRB, but seems to be even more important for such large files as these. For overhead and just drive space issues it is a really big feature I would lie to see.

[Capsbackup]

So, yes this is my most sought-after feature, so thanks for continuing to work on this difficult feature that is deceptively though by some as easy to create. I hope I have enough spare $ around to donate when this one gets added. I am poor, but I certainly will try to find a way to chip in something for this feature =)

With so many features already, it does not sound very good to offer a donation IF a feature is added! :rolleyes: :eek:
Thankfully jdobbs is generous enough to offer BD-RB for free. ;)

[KarstenS]

An other request (I hope Its not requested hunded of times earlier):

An option to rebuild for Smartphone playback (iOS, Android, WP7).

There are many converters, that convert DVDs to Smartphone compatible format. But I don't owe DVDs anymore. So converting BDs to a Smartphone compatible format (with good quality) would be nice to watch my movies, when I'am not at home. Resizing to, for example, 800x480 should reduce the output size too.

[omegaman7]

Resolution has nothing to do with output size. Bitrate on the other hand does. However, a smartphone needs little more than 320 x 240 at a small bitrate to look reasonable. So a small file size is indeed doable.

I would think the ipod MP4 output would be enough for a smartphone. But I don't use my phone like that, so I don't know :S

[jdobbs]

I'm not sure all the smartphones use the same video formats, so I'd need to get specifics. It's likely you can do it already if you created your own profile in ALTERNATE.TXT (look in the "Misc" folder). If you do, let me know the settings that work and I can add them to the default file that gets distributed.

[KarstenS]

I want to recode to Windows Phone 7. Actually, they all have a resolution of 800x480 pixel.

I will take my first try with this set:

caption=Windows Phone 7, 720x480/576, 128Kbs AAC
vBitrate=1009
aBitrate=128
aType=1
vFormat=6
cType=2

[KarstenS]

The result got played back on the phone, but with wrong aspect ratio (got streched in height).

I tried the IPad MP4 HD 1280x720, 128kbps AAC, but at sync Zune converted it again. I think because of too big resolution.

I've calculated the a little bit. 800x450 would be the 16:9 resolution for recoding for playback on the display without resizing in the phone.

[had-z]

I'm posting here because i don't know if this is a bug or a feature that was in past builds and removed in the latest builds.

Here is the problem:
- Before if i want to do a backup of a disc that oversizes the BD25 capacity by a few MB or 1 GB (excluding the HD Audio/s), BD_RB keep the main feature intact and re-encode only the extras. (i.e. Troy, original size was 24,xx gb without the HD audios)
- Now if i want to do a backup of a source disc with exactly 24gb without the HD Audios BD_RB encode the extras and the movie (the movie weights 15,7gb VC-1) obviously is no necesary the reencode of the movie to fit in a BD25 disk. (The disc i'm talking is 300)

The option for output in BD_RB is 24400MB (larger than the BD25 default)

Cheers.

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs, i was wondering. I'm using a software program to organise my movie collection and it has the option to set the audio / subtitle streams on the disc. Now i just started to update my collection and for speeding things up i picked BDRB to identify the streams. However the thing is directors comments (both subs & audio) are identified as language only. Is there a way to indicate in the tree if it's commentary audio, commentary subs, audio/subs for hard of hearing, ... I don't know if this can be determined from the BD structure, that's your thing. Thats the reason i'm asking. It would significantly improve the accuracy of my database in "Movie Collector" from Collectorz.com

Also wondering if it would be possible to display the movie runtime next to the Discname at the very top. Eg:

Carriers (84min)
---VID_00007 ....

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs, i was wondering. I'm using a software program to organise my movie collection and it has the option to set the audio / subtitle streams on the disc. Now i just started to update my collection and for speeding things up i picked BDRB to identify the streams. However the thing is directors comments (both subs & audio) are identified as language only. Is there a way to indicate in the tree if it's commentary audio, commentary subs, audio/subs for hard of hearing, ... I don't know if this can be determined from the BD structure, that's your thing. Thats the reason i'm asking. It would significantly improve the accuracy of my database in "Movie Collector" from Collectorz.com

Also wondering if it would be possible to display the movie runtime next to the Discname at the very top. Eg:

Carriers (84min)
---VID_00007 ....
I'm away from my computers for the next week or so -- but I'll do a little research when I get back.

[Ch3vr0n]

How's it going with that other idea of mine we discussed over pm a while back ;)

[longtom]

Any possibility to see which subtitles are forced ones?
(to see which sub is forced after extracting the main movie and all subtitles of one language would be enough).

Normally i extract main movie, 1 language and all subs to that language. Then i convert it with H264 Turbo from Elgato to AppleTV format. In the new version also subtitles are supported, so i want to select only the forced on.

Thanks!

[longtom]

So, i learned now a little bit more on forced subtitles.
Great would be if BD Rebuilder extracts ONLY the forced subtitles of a subtitle track. (e.g. Pavtube Blu-Ray ripper has such a feature, but makes not as good conversions as Elgato).
Then in Elgato i can select these subtitles and then its hardcoded.

@jdobbs would this be possible? Thx!