BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[MilesAhead]

I have a request to add to the alternate movie only output the ability to convert to a regular compliant DVD.
I have one blu-ray player in my home theater room but have 2 regular DVD players in other rooms. When the grand kids and their friends come over I want to let them watch movies elsewhere.

I normally process the movie to a BD5 or 9 and then would like to convert to a SD DVD.

I have tried multiAvchd many, many times and the audio is always out of sync. Could be me but I tried every option and still the same. Maybe because it's pre-processed by BDRebuilder, just guessing.

I have tried trial versions of ConvertXtoDVD and many others that seemed to work quiet well during their crippleware/shareware limitations but I would rather give Jdobbs the $50 + dollars instead of an off shore company.

See my post at the bottom of this thread for how I do it. The step I left out is using BDRB or another software to create the main movie .mkv file. If you are not concerned with menus then this technique works very well.


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155514

edit: for a one-click solution you may try DVD Flick. In the project settings for Video Encoding, Advanced section there's a checkbox for 3:2 pulldown. HC Enc has this setting also. Often when a converter gets audio out of sync it's changing the frame rate instead of applying pulldown. Seems I remember DVD Flick worked well for MKV to DVD.. it's just not the fastest.

[omegaman7]

A good feature (In my opinion) would be the capability to tell rebuilder to alter the playback scheme(Navigation). E.g. Jump to main menu upon insertion. I usually do this with DVD Fab, however lately I've been noticing it does things that it should not. With the movie "Cars" it removed 1 minute of video that I did not tell it to. Its as though it thought it was removing unreferenced material.
I often remove (Blank) trailers from the OLDER movies. And when there are multiple trailers, unfortunately the title/track mark is left intact. When in a dvd player, it plays back literally blank titles. Which can take some time. You can here the dvd player working, but it takes time to get to the menu. Hence why I have Dvd Fab alter the playback scheme. Or perhaps you have a different idea?

[JJB]

See my post at the bottom of this thread for how I do it. The step I left out is using BDRB or another software to create the main movie .mkv file. If you are not concerned with menus then this technique works very well.


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155514

edit: for a one-click solution you may try DVD Flick. In the project settings for Video Encoding, Advanced section there's a checkbox for 3:2 pulldown. HC Enc has this setting also. Often when a converter gets audio out of sync it's changing the frame rate instead of applying pulldown. Seems I remember DVD Flick worked well for MKV to DVD.. it's just not the fastest.

Thanks, MilesAhead for your response. I know there are many pieces of freeware that will do what I want but I was looking to keep minimal installations down with different converts and sort of keep it the "Family", if ya know what I mean.

The ability to do a Blu-Ray\AVCHD(in any flavor) and alternate output back to back in a batch format would be great.

Thanks again!

[jdobbs]

Thanks, MilesAhead for your response. I know there are many pieces of freeware that will do what I want but I was looking to keep minimal installations down with different converts and sort of keep it the "Family", if ya know what I mean.

The ability to do a Blu-Ray\AVCHD(in any flavor) and alternate output back to back in a batch format would be great.

Thanks again! Whay can't you do a blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate back-to-back in batch? Are you saying it doesn't work now?

[Vulcan94]

Is it possible to get both the standard output and alternate output (ie. mkv container) without having to encode twice? I have plenty of HD space so that won't be a problem.


Vulcan

[JJB]

Is it possible to get both the standard output and alternate output (ie. mkv container) without having to encode twice? I have plenty of HD space so that won't be a problem.


Vulcan

I guess that was what I was was talking about but I may not have put It that way but to add SD DVD output.

Again my request is to be able to to a DVD output without converting to one of the Alternative Outputs then re-converting with just a one click mode to DVD.

It may not sound right but...Duh It's just me.

Thanks!

[JJB]

Whay can't you do a blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate back-to-back in batch? Are you saying it doesn't work now?

Yes, but not a SD DVD output.

Thanks!

[jdobbs]

Hello, i do movie only backups for keeping on my hard drive, i was just wondering if an option could be added to let bd-rb use a specified bitrate for the video (rather than calculating a custom size) & keep hd audio at the same time.

Thanks Sounds reasonable.

[jdobbs]

Yes, but not a SD DVD output.

Thanks! ???? I'm confused. You were talking about MKV output. That's not DVD? You can output as many different MKV formats as you want. Are you asking that I add a 720x480/576 output size for MKV?

[JJB]

???? I'm confused. You were talking about MKV output. That's not DVD? You can output as many different MKV formats as you want. Are you asking that I add a 720x480/576 output size for MKV?

I am very sorry if my request is not as clearly stated as it should be.

1. I can now create an AVCHD movie for BD5/9 from BD-Rebuilder

2. I would like to to be able to create a SD DVD through the Alternate format menu separately or batch,from the resulting output of the BD5/9 from bd-rebuilder or the original rip, it doesn't matter.

3. I currently re-convert the BD5/9 to a mkv with BD-Rebuilder and process it through convertxtodvd(trial mode) or avi2dvd with varying results in the output mostly out of sync or size problems.

If I did not present it clearly enough then please just drop the request as I most likely would only do this occasionally for a small amount of movies for the Grandkids.

Thanks!

[jdobbs]

I am very sorry if my request is not as clearly stated as it should be.

1. I can now create an AVCHD movie for BD5/9 from BD-Rebuilder

2. I would like to to be able to create a SD DVD through the Alternate format menu separately or batch,from the resulting output of the BD5/9 from bd-rebuilder or the original rip, it doesn't matter.

3. I currently re-convert the BD5/9 to a mkv with BD-Rebuilder and process it through convertxtodvd(trial mode) or avi2dvd with varying results in the output mostly out of sync or size problems.

If I did not present it clearly enough then please just drop the request as I most likely would only do this occasionally for a small amount of movies for the Grandkids.

Thanks! Oh, I see. You just want to have another alternate output option call "DVD" (in addition to MP4 and MKV) that would create a movie-only DVD. Hmmm... it might be a while, but that's doable.

[A.Fenderson]

Oh, I see. You just want to have another alternate output option call "DVD" (in addition to MP4 and MKV) that would create a movie-only DVD.

+1. That would be very cool.

[Vulcan94]

Whay can't you do a blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate back-to-back in batch? Are you saying it doesn't work now?

So you are saying that to get both blu-ray/avchd and an Alternate I would have to do an encode for each format? Rats! I was hoping there was an easier way to do this. At least the batch mode will let me get it done while I'm sleeping.


Vulcan94

[JJB]

Oh, I see. You just want to have another alternate output option call "DVD" (in addition to MP4 and MKV) that would create a movie-only DVD. Hmmm... it might be a while, but that's doable.

Yes Sir, that was the request, sorry about the rest.

Thank You!

[MilesAhead]

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3. I currently re-convert the BD5/9 to a mkv with BD-Rebuilder and process it through convertxtodvd(trial mode) or avi2dvd with varying results in the output mostly out of sync or size problems.



Until JDobbs incorporates this feature I can make a suggestion. Use MakeMKV to generate an .mkv from the rip. Then feed it to HCenc using an .avs script as I mentioned. If you need to convert DTS to AC3 just use Popcorn Audio Converter before demuxing the audio track. The audio out of sync issues are nearly always due to using a one click DVD encoder.

[jdobbs]

Until JDobbs incorporates this feature I can make a suggestion. Use MakeMKV to generate an .mkv from the rip. Then feed it to HCenc using an .avs script as I mentioned. If you need to convert DTS to AC3 just use Popcorn Audio Converter before demuxing the audio track. The audio out of sync issues are nearly always due to using a one click DVD encoder. It'll be in the next release. I'm working on it now.

[MilesAhead]

It'll be in the next release. I'm working on it now.

That will be interesting to see. I get very good quality with HC but sizing down extends the processing time quite a bit. I'll have to give it a go with the next BDRB release to satisfy my curiosity. :)

[JJB]

Until JDobbs incorporates this feature I can make a suggestion. Use MakeMKV to generate an .mkv from the rip. Then feed it to HCenc using an .avs script as I mentioned. If you need to convert DTS to AC3 just use Popcorn Audio Converter before demuxing the audio track. The audio out of sync issues are nearly always due to using a one click DVD encoder.

MilesAhead, Thanks a bunch for your recommendations, but I was looking for an "Old Man" 1 click solution for converting without multiple steps.

I don't have a need for the other alternative formats but could use a movie only DVD format, even only used occasionally.

Your Info was quite informative and thanks again for your suggestion!!

Yes, I do have a phone that can play the other formats but I just use it as a phone...

Thanks to Everyone!!!

[MilesAhead]

MilesAhead, Thanks a bunch for your recommendations, but I was looking for an "Old Man" 1 click solution for converting without multiple steps.


If you find one that can input .mkv and output standard DVD that works over 90% of the time please post back. I haven't. That's why I've taken to doing it manually. I get pretty close to 100% success rate.

The bit about the phone I don't have no clue. :eek:

[setarip_old]

@JJB

Presently, you can use multiAVCHD to compress and convert your ripped Blu-ray "movie only" to a standard DVD with literally two or three clicks...

[Sharc]

It'll be in the next release. I'm working on it now.
Does it mean the 'normal' blu-ray backup plus an mpeg2 / AC3 encode, authored to DVD file structure, including framerate conversion for PAL or NTSC for movie, audio and subtitles?

[Dirk Diggler]

We should be able to remove queued items after the batch encode has started

[jdobbs]

Does it mean the 'normal' blu-ray backup plus an mpeg2 / AC3 encode, authored to DVD file structure, including framerate conversion for PAL or NTSC for movie, audio and subtitles? It will make a simple movie-only backup of a blu-ray feature to DVD. Nothing more, nothing less. It's so someone who buys an expensive blu-ray disc for his living room theater can still play the film on the bedroom DVD player. My intent is not to turn a simple feature into a project in-and-of itself. Having spent three years on DVD Rebuilder I know the list of DVD "nice-to-haves" could be never ending.

[Sharc]

It will make a simple movie-only backup of a blu-ray feature to DVD. Nothing more, nothing less.
Perfect. I was more wondering about PAL-DVD player compliance (50i) because most blu-ray sources are 23.976p which has its roots in NTSC standards.
Looking forward :)

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I apologize if this has already been asked for but I've love to see an preset option choice that is the inverse of the movie-only backup option. What I mean by that is have the backup consist of the the menus and everything but the movie, itself. This would be useful for those who break a backup up and span two discs. Have the movie on one disc and the bonus content on the other. If it has been mentioned then, again, I apologize. I just haven't seen it.

Keep up the great work, jdobbs. You did amazing stuff with DVD Rebuilder and now we have BD Rebuilder. :)

[jdobbs]

Perfect. I was more wondering about PAL-DVD player compliance (50i) because most blu-ray sources are 23.976p which has its roots in NTSC standards.
Looking forward :) Yeah, that's an issue. I've included an option to specify PAL. That way the 23.976 sources will be converted to 25fps.

[JoeH]

Glad to hear DVD output is coming soon. I hope it includes the DVD language codes for the audio and subtitles tracks which are converted. Thanks for a great program.

[Cupidjones]

HI Jobbs,
Any progress on being able to keep DTS-Express in the rebuild? Thanks!

[jdobbs]

Glad to hear DVD output is coming soon. I hope it includes the DVD language codes for the audio and subtitles tracks which are converted. Thanks for a great program. It does for audio. The first iteration won't include subtitles -- that should come shortly.

[jdobbs]

HI Jobbs,
Any progress on being able to keep DTS-Express in the rebuild? Thanks!Progress yes. Ready to go, no.

[MilesAhead]

It does for audio. The first iteration won't include subtitles -- that should come shortly.

I'm curious if you are going to utilize a multi-core approach similar to DVD-RB Pro or is it a new implementation using different encoders? Lately I've been looking through FAVC scripts to see if I can just purloin video only multi-instance HC Enc processing. But if you are taking a multi-core approach then I'd just wait and use the more polished techniques instead of hacking together some batch files. :)

[jdobbs]

DVD-RB Pro already takes advantage of multiple cores, even using encoders that don't inherently do so. In fact that's what "multiple instances" is for... Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

[MilesAhead]

DVD-RB Pro already takes advantage of multiple cores, even using encoders that don't inherently do so. In fact that's what "multiple instances" is for... Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

When you said you would incorporate standard DVD output into BDRB I thought you might move that code over, or a modified version of it. For squashing DVD9 into DVD5 I use DVD-RB. But for HD mkv to standard DVD I'm using an .avs script and HC Enc "by hand" so to speak. Works fine but it's only using one copy of HC. With the sizing down to 720x480 a 2 hour flick takes about 4 hours of processing time on my quad.

I'm just curious. I'm sure however you design it the throughput will be there. :)

[omegaman7]

Would it be possible (Much like Dvd Rebuilder) to have the output option during Rebuild??? I suspect this will help with completion times(For those with multi drive configurations), as well as minimize fragmentation.

[setarip_old]

@omegaman7

Hi!

For the rest of us please, what is "the output option"?

[omegaman7]

Sorta like this(If you'll excuse the crudity. Had to slap it together quickly). If you run Dvd rebuilder, I think you'll understand ;)
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/omegaman7/BdrebuilderWishlist.png

[Ch3vr0n]

@omegaman7: this has already been suggested a few times (i'm one of them) and its on the to do list

[omegaman7]

Whoops. I apologize then. Perhaps I should read all 27 pages then :S

[Giljorak]

Would it be possible (Much like Dvd Rebuilder) to have the output option during Rebuild??? I suspect this will help with completion times(For those with multi drive configurations), as well as minimize fragmentation.

After using both DVD-RB & BD-RB today I was just thinking of requesting this same feature for BD-RB.

I'm glad it is already on the list.

[JJB]

Whoops. I apologize then. Perhaps I should read all 27 pages then :S

I think Jdobbs is like the rest of us when it comes to priority....He will get around to it when he can, especially if he thinks it is an important request and will make BDRB a better piece of software!!

[MilesAhead]

Whoops. I apologize then. Perhaps I should read all 27 pages then :S

I'm just curious what you used for the after screen shot.
Looks pretty neat. :)

[omegaman7]

I'm addicted to photoshop LOL! Though MS paint could have done a similar job. Minus the glowing text of course ;)

[laserfan]

This has probably been mentioned before, perhaps even many times, but along with "movie only" mode, BD-RB needs "Everything but the feature" mode. One disc for the movie, one disc for the menus & extras.

[MilesAhead]

It may be too soon to ask, but for to do list, maybe a hidden option to enable HCencode Best Profile when using standard dvd output?

I really have no desire to tweak the other settings. Best profile output has just that extra bit of color/gloss to it. :)

[jdobbs]

It may be too soon to ask, but for to do list, maybe a hidden option to enable HCencode Best Profile when using standard dvd output?

I really have no desire to tweak the other settings. Best profile output has just that extra bit of color/gloss to it. :) No problem, I can add that. I was torn as to whether to use it as the default -- but for most movie-only encodes it seemed to be overkill.

[MilesAhead]

No problem, I can add that. I was torn as to whether to use it as the default -- but for most movie-only encodes it seemed to be overkill.

Thank you. Originally I wanted it because I was using .mkv as input when doing HCgui manually. When configured for BDRB I got errors. It dawned on me to use .m2ts as input instead. That works fine. Still, it is nice to just click on BDRB and have the audio and everything taken care of automatically. :)

[MilesAhead]

Thanks for HC encode profile hidden option. Just some feedback. I did a run of a 2 hour 2 minute BluRay source to dvd5 using BEST profile. Output size was 4.25 GB. Processing time on my quad was just a bit over the run time of the movie(and that was with burning in subs using VobSub.) The output looks fine on casual perusal. Haven't watched the film through yet.

I know it varies with the input but it seems like my manual encodes using HCgui tended to take longer. The difference in settings was Spline16Resize instead of BilinearResize and DC precision of 10. I think the DC Prec. setting was slowing me down to no good purpose. DC 9 output looks just as good. :)

[jdobbs]

Thanks for HC encode profile hidden option. Just some feedback. I did a run of a 2 hour 2 minute BluRay source to dvd5 using BEST profile. Output size was 4.25 GB. Processing time on my quad was just a bit over the run time of the movie(and that was with burning in subs using VobSub.) The output looks fine on casual perusal. Haven't watched the film through yet.

I know it varies with the input but it seems like my manual encodes using HCgui tended to take longer. The difference in settings was Spline16Resize instead of BilinearResize and DC precision of 10. I think the DC Prec. setting was slowing me down to no good purpose. DC 9 output looks just as good. :) My experience is that when resizing downward Bilinear or Bicubic does a better job. If resizing upward, Lanczos or Spline does a better job.

[omegaman7]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but how about not ending the entire batch process because of one error? Just because one job fails, doesn't mean future jobs will ;) Unless I'm mistaken, dvd rebuilder behaves this way as well. Been a while since Dvd rebuilder has errored...

[jdobbs]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but how about not ending the entire batch process because of one error? Just because one job fails, doesn't mean future jobs will ;) Unless I'm mistaken, dvd rebuilder behaves this way as well. Been a while since Dvd rebuilder has errored... For most errors BD Rebuilder will not stop (except that job) during batch. But when the error is reported by the O/S, BD-RB has no control over it, and is simply waiting for the O/S to return control. Not sure what kind of error you've run into.