BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[jdobbs]

Please forgive my poor dyslexic eyeballs . . . you are, of course, correct. The exit command is 30 01.
I did a bit more exploration into this issue and may have stumbled across something relevant. I opened up pgcedit and explored a bit more thoroughly. When I look at the PGC table for a dvd title created by BD-RB, the last entry for the last chapter in the table has 255 in the "cell still time" column. If I change that entry to 0 - like all the rest of the chapter entries, and reburn the title, then the title exits at the end without going into a pause.
I hope that is helpful. Thanks. It looks like I also have to set pause="0" at the PGC level as well. I've added it, and will test it.

[jdobbs]

Ok. I've looked what BDEdit shows as informations of the mpls files. If there is really nothing more than this it shows me, than it will be really difficult to find, as it would be stored somewhere in the java code of the menus i think.

So also forced subtitles will be difficult too for movie only mode :( Well, you can force a subtitle manually. You can right click on a subtitle and default it to "on". Also, if a subtitle was forced on the original, and you don't resize it -- it will remain forced in the movie-only backup as well.

[jdobbs]

Please forgive my poor dyslexic eyeballs . . . you are, of course, correct. The exit command is 30 01.
I did a bit more exploration into this issue and may have stumbled across something relevant. I opened up pgcedit and explored a bit more thoroughly. When I look at the PGC table for a dvd title created by BD-RB, the last entry for the last chapter in the table has 255 in the "cell still time" column. If I change that entry to 0 - like all the rest of the chapter entries, and reburn the title, then the title exits at the end without going into a pause.
I hope that is helpful. Thanks.

Just wanted to let you know that I've fixed this. As it turns out the inclusion or exclusion of the "pause" parameter wasn't the issue at all. I needed to explicitly call out the "Exit" post command in the XML file (even though it was added automatically) to prevent that final cell from being added with an infinate still time (the 255).

[Rich86]

Just wanted to let you know that I've fixed this. As it turns out the inclusion or exclusion of the "pause" parameter wasn't the issue at all. I needed to explicitly call out the "Exit" post command in the XML file (even though it was added automatically) to prevent that final cell from being added with an infinate still time (the 255).

Excellent. Thanks much!

[Rich86]

It would be a very valuable and important feature if BD-RB could retain selected subtitles when converting blu-ray source material to DVD5 or DVD9 output in addition to its current ability to retain multiple audio tracks. For example, the Swedish "Dragon Tattoo" films are based upon Swedish language audio, and a quality movie experience for many English speaking folks would be listening to the Swedish audio, while having English subtitles displayed. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

It would be a very valuable and important feature if BD-RB could retain selected subtitles when converting blu-ray source material to DVD5 or DVD9 output in addition to its current ability to retain multiple audio tracks. For example, the Swedish "Dragon Tattoo" films are based upon Swedish language audio, and a quality movie experience for many English speaking folks would be listening to the Swedish audio, while having English subtitles displayed. Thanks. In order to transform the titles I'm either going to have to write a routine myself or find a freeware tool that will convert BD to DVD formats. I'd rather not have to write it from scratch, so if someone knows of a tool (that doesn't require OCR and user interaction) please let me know.

[Capsbackup]

Maybe BDSuptoSub?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

[Rich86]

Maybe BDSuptoSub?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

btw - DVDFab can retain subtitles when converting from Blu-ray to DVD, but it, apparently cannot also retain multiple audio streams. It would be so awesome if BD-RB could both retain subtitles and preserve multiple audio streams when converting to DVD5 or DVD9 . . . just a thought . . :-)

[MilesAhead]

Maybe BDSuptoSub?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

In the help it does show command line options. I don't know it they are sufficient for this application but it may be possible. I use the Gui all the time to resize subs to 720x480 res and export as idx/sub. The exported idx/sub work fine as input to VobSub() avs filter. For selectable subs I guess you'd have to export as ifo/sup. sup input should be supported by MuxMan. I haven't done enough with it to know how color space and palette stuff figures in though.

edit: the other consideration is it's a .jar script. The user needs to have jre installed.

[jdobbs]

In the help it does show command line options. I don't know it they are sufficient for this application but it may be possible. I use the Gui all the time to resize subs to 720x480 res and export as idx/sub. The exported idx/sub work fine as input to VobSub() avs filter. For selectable subs I guess you'd have to export as ifo/sup. sup input should be supported by MuxMan. I haven't done enough with it to know how color space and palette stuff figures in though.

edit: the other consideration is it's a .jar script. The user needs to have jre installed.Yeah... and I'm not keen on forcing users of BD-RB to have to install JAVA runtime to make it work.

[A.Fenderson]

If this has been asked already, please forgive the redundancy.

It would be nice to have an option (or possibly even default behavior or pop-up notification of the potential issue) to always keep the sole audio track for any segment which has only one audio track that would otherwise be discarded based on the choices made in the settings menu. I know it's rare, but it does happen.

[omegaman7]

This probably applies to X264, but I gotta ask anyway. I currently have a task running with only 3/4 threads. I leave for work in a few hours, and it's likely that the job won't be complete before that time. Wouldn't it be nice, if we could change CPU priority in real time? I believe nero Vision provides such an option. So in that, I see the possibility. Perhaps it wouldn't have to do it immediately, but it could change the priority after it's current segment/encode. That way it doesn't confuse it. But perhaps it wouldn't with proper coding?

[The_Unknown]

If this has been asked already, please forgive the redundancy.

It would be nice to have an option (or possibly even default behavior or pop-up notification of the potential issue) to always keep the sole audio track for any segment which has only one audio track that would otherwise be discarded based on the choices made in the settings menu. I know it's rare, but it does happen.

I totally agree.

[big_moviefreak]

@jdobbs-Question just wanted to know how soon we might have feature added to retain menus with main movie.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs-Question just wanted to know how soon we might have feature added to retain menus with main movie. I don't know. I haven't set that as a high priority. I'll look at it tomorrow and see how much work would be involved.

[big_moviefreak]

@jdobbs that would be an assume addtion that no other software provides right now. I and many others would appreciate it greatly. If anyone can acomplish this it would be you. Thanks.

[JoeH]

@jdobbs Where you ever able to add in subtitles do the Bluray to DVD creation? I checked the change log and didn't see anything in there, but wanted to double check anyway. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs Where you ever able to add in subtitles do the Bluray to DVD creation? I checked the change log and didn't see anything in there, but wanted to double check anyway. Thanks. I haven't done it yet. I probably won't until I can find a reliable way to do it without having to add things like JAVA runtime requirements.

[jdobbs]

If this has been asked already, please forgive the redundancy.

It would be nice to have an option (or possibly even default behavior or pop-up notification of the potential issue) to always keep the sole audio track for any segment which has only one audio track that would otherwise be discarded based on the choices made in the settings menu. I know it's rare, but it does happen. That makes complete sense. I've added this to the next release.

[A.Fenderson]

That makes complete sense. I've added this to the next release.

Awesome, thanks! :)

[DMagic1]

If it hasnt been requested yet, can the FORCE_NOENCODE=n option be added to the gui?

[KillingTime]

Hello,

I've been using your software, and IMHO it's very user friendly and the quality is superb.

Two suggestions for enhancements (if they've not already been put forward):

1. Have the correct audio stream played when you preview a video clip from streams window (right mouse button on the video stream - play / view). An instance of media player opens up, but it always seems to play the English (1st?) audio track for me, even when you've got Spanish selected in the list of audio streams for the main movie. [or implement an option to play the audio stream from the streams window].

2. Have a way of adding some of the extras to the end of the main movie in Main Movie Only mode (I've not found a way of doing this yet). For example. an interview with one of the actors. No menus required, just have it tagged onto the end of the credits (as another chapter perhaps - so it's easily accessable). Just a thought. Not sure how much GUI work is involved for this though. Would be nice to have it on the backup than not at all, even if there is no menu.
Thanks.

[omegaman7]

In addition to the "Abort" button, during processing, how about a "Pause encode" button??? Or is there a program that can override (without error), and simply cause the program to hang for a few minutes. I'm burning a BD from one of the processing drives, and I fear when it goes to extract the next video segment, there'll be a buffer underrun.

I really should have transferred the files to an idle drive...:o

[Ch3vr0n]

@omegaman. That buffer underrun shouldnt happen, thats why its called a underrun protection. Besides, its impossible to happen as BDRB won't tell IMGBurn to burn the disc untill the encoding is complete. Once the encoding is complete IMGBurn uses the files from the output folder and not the source drive

[omegaman7]

I have multiple drives Ch3vr0n. And multiple backups. I burn on the fly. I was encoding one title, while burning another. Thankfully, there were no more segment extractions needed. The job finished shortly after the burn of another movie :) It would be nice to pause the encode though, to free up HDD and CPU resource when needed. It is a long process after all ;)

[jdobbs]

I have multiple drives Ch3vr0n. And multiple backups. I burn on the fly. I was encoding one title, while burning another. Thankfully, there were no more segment extractions needed. The job finished shortly after the burn of another movie :) It would be nice to pause the encode though, to free up HDD and CPU resource when needed. It is a long process after all ;)Unfortunately that's pretty hard to do -- especially without screwing the encode.

[omegaman7]

Unfortunately that's pretty hard to do -- especially without screwing the encode.

It was worth a shot ;) I'm pretty crafty. I guess what I really need to do is formulate a game plan, and try not to deviate from it. Perhaps, a drive dedicated to the burning of BD discs. I do have 9Tb worth of storage space. I'll figure something out ;)

Thanks anyway JD.

[JoeH]

It was worth a shot ;) I'm pretty crafty. I guess what I really need to do is formulate a game plan, and try not to deviate from it. Perhaps, a drive dedicated to the burning of BD discs. I do have 9Tb worth of storage space. I'll figure something out ;)

Thanks anyway JD.

You could try lowering thread priority of X264 / BD-Rebuilder, and raising thread priority with your burning program.

[omegaman7]

Afraid not. CPU priority has very little to do with the process I'm talking about. Processors can handle a great deal of Hard drive bandwidth. Hard drives however, are not nearly the multi-taskers that Cpu's are. I suppose if X264 were to suddenly lose CPU cycles, that would slow the process enough, to finish a burn job ;) I imagine there are utilities out there, that can manage CPU processes better than task manager. So in the future, if I need to pause the application(I don't like the idea of Abort and restart), I'll try lowering process priority of X264. But if windows has free cpu cycles, X264 will get them anyway...

[jdobbs]

Afraid not. CPU priority has very little to do with the process I'm talking about. Processors can handle a great deal of Hard drive bandwidth. Hard drives however, are not nearly the multi-taskers that Cpu's are. I suppose if X264 were to suddenly lose CPU cycles, that would slow the process enough, to finish a burn job ;) I imagine there are utilities out there, that can manage CPU processes better than task manager. So in the future, if I need to pause the application(I don't like the idea of Abort and restart), I'll try lowering process priority of X264. But if windows has free cpu cycles, X264 will get them anyway...Yes. Changing processor priority has very little effect on actions that are disc I/O intensive.

[A.Fenderson]

Again, apologies if this has been brought up:

There are certain discs where it would be very nice to have the explicit option, on a per-stream basis, to retain either the DTS core/AC3 compatibility stream only, or to allow the HD audio.

Example:
Akira has, well, tons of audio tracks, but the two I'd like to retain are the amazing Japanese THD 5.1 track (that's been paired with a Japanese 2.0 AC3 compatibility stream) and only the AC3 compatibility stream of the English THD 5.1 track--I don't want the English lossless as I'll rarely if ever actually use the English track and would rather save space for the video.

The same concept applies, in my case, for any non-English language movie where there are lossless audio tracks for both the original language and the English dub: I'd like to retain just the English lossy audio "just in case" while keeping the lossless original-language track and ditching any lossless English dub to save space.

[had-z]

A nice new feature would be the conversion of DTS XLL (DTSHD-MA) to DTS, is that possible?

Thanks.

[A.Fenderson]

You can essentially get that on a per-disc, but not per-stream, basis by disallowing HD audio and choosing not to reencode to AC3: BD-RB will take the DTS core.

[had-z]

Thanks for the tip! i have other request/question about hd audios: is posible to encode a Dolby True HD to DTS core?

Thanks in advance.

[Rich86]

btw - DVDFab can retain subtitles when converting from Blu-ray to DVD, but it, apparently cannot also retain multiple audio streams. It would be so awesome if BD-RB could both retain subtitles and preserve multiple audio streams when converting to DVD5 or DVD9 . . . just a thought . . :-)

I have done a fair amount of experimenting with various programs to process some of my source BDs to DVD (for use where no access to HD equipment exists - car, portable devices, mountain cabin, etc.). I want the best quality audio and video I can get, the ability to take advantage of the capacity of the media (ie. SL and DL media) & the ability to keep multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I cannot find any program that can do all that.
1. BD-RB provides the very best quality output, and utilizes either SL or DL media sizes very effectively, and can handle multiple audio tracks. However, it cannot keep subtitles when converting a BD to DVD.
2. Clown-BD offers all the capabilities (DVD5 or DVD9 output, multiple audio tracks, subtitles), but tends to do strange things quality wise at times. I just did a test run of a BD source where it provided a DVD9 output of files totalling under 3gb. The video quality of that does not measure up to the same run in BD-RB where I specified a DVD5 output.
3. DVDFab (Blu-Ray to DVD) - offers decent quality output with subtitles, but cannot deal with multiple audio tracks.
Every other package floating around I have played with is mostly junk.
Hopefully someday jdobbs will offer a method for keeping subtitles when using the DVD output options of BD-RB. It would make BD-RB a uniquely quality and flexible program, from what I have seen.

[jdobbs]

I have done a fair amount of experimenting with various programs to process some of my source BDs to DVD (for use where no access to HD equipment exists - car, portable devices, mountain cabin, etc.). I want the best quality audio and video I can get, the ability to take advantage of the capacity of the media (ie. SL and DL media) & the ability to keep multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I cannot find any program that can do all that.
1. BD-RB provides the very best quality output, and utilizes either SL or DL media sizes very effectively, and can handle multiple audio tracks. However, it cannot keep subtitles when converting a BD to DVD.
2. Clown-BD offers all the capabilities (DVD5 or DVD9 output, multiple audio tracks, subtitles), but tends to do strange things quality wise at times. I just did a test run of a BD source where it provided a DVD9 output of files totalling under 3gb. The video quality of that does not measure up to the same run in BD-RB where I specified a DVD5 output.
3. DVDFab (Blu-Ray to DVD) - offers decent quality output with subtitles, but cannot deal with multiple audio tracks.
Every other package floating around I have played with is mostly junk.
Hopefully someday jdobbs will offer a method for keeping subtitles when using the DVD output options of BD-RB. It would make BD-RB a uniquely quality and flexible program, from what I have seen.I'll eventually have subtitles working...

[shon3i]

Thanks for the tip! i have other request/question about hd audios: is posible to encode a Dolby True HD to DTS core?

Thanks in advance.
No because there is no freeware DTS encoders, but you don't want to do this since AC3 is better option, less size and more for video, and quality is greather than DTS for sure, because is AC3 more efficient and requre less bitrate than DTS.

[A.Fenderson]

Thanks for the tip! i have other request/question about hd audios: is posible to encode a Dolby True HD to DTS core?

Thanks in advance.

I looked into this a while back: your cheapest option, if you're willing to pay, is the $249 SurCode DTS encoder (http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=87&lang=en) or the identically-priced, non-HD DTS encoder suite (http://www.dts.com/Pro_Audio_Products/DTS_Products/DTS_Surround_Audio_Suite_TM/Overview.aspx)from DTS themselves. Whether this is worth the price, as compared to the 640 kbps AC3 encoding you can do for free in Aften via BD-RB, is up to you.

[jdobbs]

I have done a fair amount of experimenting with various programs to process some of my source BDs to DVD (for use where no access to HD equipment exists - car, portable devices, mountain cabin, etc.). I want the best quality audio and video I can get, the ability to take advantage of the capacity of the media (ie. SL and DL media) & the ability to keep multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I cannot find any program that can do all that.
1. BD-RB provides the very best quality output, and utilizes either SL or DL media sizes very effectively, and can handle multiple audio tracks. However, it cannot keep subtitles when converting a BD to DVD.
2. Clown-BD offers all the capabilities (DVD5 or DVD9 output, multiple audio tracks, subtitles), but tends to do strange things quality wise at times. I just did a test run of a BD source where it provided a DVD9 output of files totalling under 3gb. The video quality of that does not measure up to the same run in BD-RB where I specified a DVD5 output.
3. DVDFab (Blu-Ray to DVD) - offers decent quality output with subtitles, but cannot deal with multiple audio tracks.
Every other package floating around I have played with is mostly junk.
Hopefully someday jdobbs will offer a method for keeping subtitles when using the DVD output options of BD-RB. It would make BD-RB a uniquely quality and flexible program, from what I have seen.Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

[Tazlord]

Thanks jdobbs for pointing me in the right direction. Reposting here for the sake of community commentary =)

Great work! BD-Rebuilder has definitely come a long way since the first time I used it (which it didn't work for me at that time). I would LOVE to see a program removal feature added to this tool so that I can remove unwanted chains from the final result (like annoying advertisements & such). In fact, I'd be glad to even pay for such a feature. That's how annoying those things are to me.

[omegaman7]

Ahh yes. But blanking can cause problems in some players. I've encountered some players, that when there are multiple blank segments, it stops playing the disc. Rather strange. What needs to be done(dvd rebuilder never could)is program chain editing. E.g. jump to main title. Disney's "Fast play" is a joke. Even after you tell it fast play, you have to sit through trailers, and what not. Since blu rays are apparently substantially different in this respect, it could take time for such a feature eh? I am aware of PGCedit. DvdFab also works nicely for dvds. As well as anydvd's capability. Can't wait to see this capability in Bd rebuilder :) If possible that is.

[A.Fenderson]

Would implementing segment blanking by just dropping in and pointing to a one-GOP long black screen w/ no audio potentially prevent players from having issues with these? Even a one-second black screen would be great--far better and shorter than the crap we'd be blanking, and hardly noticeable on the typical slow-loading BD player anyway. :-)

[Rich86]

Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

Are we talking about 37.07 - or is something newer available I am not seeing yet?
I took a shot and manually went after 37.08 and got it - is that what I should try out?

[Sharc]

Are we talking about 37.07 - or is something newer available I am not seeing yet?
I took a shot and manually went after 37.08 and got it - is that what I should try out?
Latest version plus required ancillary programs are always found here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143716).

[JoeH]

Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

Thanks jdobbs! Fantastic!

[Rich86]

Check out the new release. I have to say that the subtitles look pretty darn good too considering the conversion to the 3 concurrent color limitation of DVD (not counting transparency).

Installed 37.08, did not mess with hidden options, and processed my "Black Swan" blu-ray "Blu-ray to alternate output-DVD" including english subtitles. Ran fine with no problems, output functions fine, subtitles look terrific.

4/26/11 update: Ran my "How Do You Know" BD through it last night to DVD output. Worked perfectly and looks great.

Thanks!

[worknstiff]

Hey jdobbs, Thanks for the latest update, I have really been putting the alternate output MKV through it's paces and have been really impressed with the video quality. Even when using a bitrate of 3,400k it is still watchable. This on the BD "Avatar" that was 16gigs with only one ac3 audio track and a couple of subs, that I processed down to a 4.4gig mkv and it still looked great. I did the BD "The Way Back", before and the forced subs came out perfect, but the Avatar MKV doesn't show the subs. If you have some free time maybe you could test it and see if it's just my setup. The reason I'm posting here is I wanted to ask if BD_Rebuilder will support the intel "Quick Sync" transcoding acceleration technology that is implemented with the new Sandy Bridge processors. On paper it looks like a much quicker transcoding process is finally within reach, at least if you can purchase a Z68 motherboard. Thanks again for all your hard work, worknstiff

[jdobbs]

Hey jdobbs, Thanks for the latest update, I have really been putting the alternate output MKV through it's paces and have been really impressed with the video quality. Even when using a bitrate of 3,400k it is still watchable. This on the BD "Avatar" that was 16gigs with only one ac3 audio track and a couple of subs, that I processed down to a 4.4gig mkv and it still looked great. I did the BD "The Way Back", before and the forced subs came out perfect, but the Avatar MKV doesn't show the subs. If you have some free time maybe you could test it and see if it's just my setup. The reason I'm posting here is I wanted to ask if BD_Rebuilder will support the intel "Quick Sync" transcoding acceleration technology that is implemented with the new Sandy Bridge processors. On paper it looks like a much quicker transcoding process is finally within reach, at least if you can purchase a Z68 motherboard. Thanks again for all your hard work, worknstiff BD Rebuilder doesn't currently support subtitles in MKVs -- mainly because there are (almost) no players that will support graphic subtitles (PGS) -- and they are pretty much all that is available from a BD. If you had forced subtitles that worked in a previous encode, it is probably because they were actually embedded in the video itself.

No current plans to support "Quick Sync"... I'll see where it goes.

[The_Unknown]

I asked that some time ago, but it seems you didn't have time to make that change (or you just didn't like it ;)).

Would it be possible to make the main window resizeable? It's just so small on today's displays (1920x1080 or even more) and the ListView-scrolling in some complex discs is quiet annoying ;)

Also it would be cool, if you could use some standard UI controls (the progress bars are a bit small).

P.S.: I'm also developer and I know that this would only take some clicks and several lines of code (anchoring...) ^^ Thanks in forward!!

[Sharc]

BD-RB allows to define custom .avs filters in the setup.
Apparently the custom filters are applied before the resizing when resizing is selected.
Would it make sense to introduce a control prefix (similar as in DVD-RB) in order to select the position of the filter, like
pre: <this filter script is applied before the resizing>
post: <this filter is script is applied after the resizing>
(Default should remain as is).
For example, a slight sharpening for 720p after the resizing brings the backup visually closer to the 1080p original.