BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests [Archive] - Page 3

turbojet

1st May 2009, 13:29

Kurtnoise: good idea on the deleting workfiles directory

Chefkoch_ico: Just a little update for original post

- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.
I think can change into option to retain LPCM audio

- Option to resize to 720p
Can be changed into - correctly resize 720p subs
It's more of a bugfix I know but I've already mentioned it about 5x since the option was added and we've seen jdobbs do a few things off of this list so far, may as well give it a shot

- movie only mode with correct chapters
this seems to be ok at least everything I've done lately, can be removed?

could you also add:
- fully disable streams that aren't really there (remove from mpls)
- accurate output file size
- PIP support

Category 5

4th May 2009, 20:04

mochevolete

4th May 2009, 20:25

Is uncompressed audio supported yet? Don't want to waste a day trying if it's not.

1 - How about the ability to encode uncompressed audio as TrueHD in the future? Will it ever happen?

2 - Ability to do a movie only BD from an HD-DVD (keeping original encode if possible).

3 - Is there a way to avoid re-encoding the movie if it is less than a BD25 in size once the audio selections are made? How about an easy way to do this (i.e. a settings switch that says "No re-encode for video that fits on a BD25")

4 - PLease add a feature that allows a 3 minute sample of video/audio to be made, so we can check the quality as we adjust settings and only a small time cost is involved.

This program is evolving so nicely. I think it will one day become legendary like DVD-Shrink did.

I see that you don't waste your time reading ...

1- ??? the only uncompressed audio is LPCM, all other tracks can be compressed to AC3 right now
3- WTF ?! :confused: if the target size is 25GB, why oh why it should do an encode when is already =< 25GB ??
4- we are not talking about old crappy divx here, the 25GB target is insanely good, the 9GB is REALLY good and the 4,7GB is good ...

Furiousflea

4th May 2009, 21:18

I see that you don't waste your time reading ...

1- ??? the only uncompressed audio is LPCM, all other tracks can be compressed to AC3 right now
3- WTF ?! :confused: if the target size is 25GB, why oh why it should do an encode when is already =< 25GB ??
4- we are not talking about old crappy divx here, the 25GB target is insanely good, the 9GB is REALLY good and the 4,7GB is good ...

1. He meant compress LPCM to TrueHD. TrueHD isn't uncompressed, it is losslesly compressed. The answer to the question is NO. Not for a good couple of years since the only TrueHD compressors cost ££££.

2. The is possible, follow my "guide for tools". It's very easy.

3. This will likely be added very soon by the author jdobbs.

4. This is unlikely for a long time.

Category 5

5th May 2009, 01:47

1. He meant compress LPCM to TrueHD. TrueHD isn't uncompressed, it is losslesly compressed. The answer to the question is NO. Not for a good couple of years since the only TrueHD compressors cost ££££.

2. The is possible, follow my "guide for tools". It's very easy.

3. This will likely be added very soon by the author jdobbs.

4. This is unlikely for a long time.

Thanks Furiousflea. I figured that about TrueHD encoders, but I can wish. ;-)

I'll try from your guide for tools. I was being lazy as BD rebuilder has spoiled me. It'd be great as a simple button feature since a lot of people that bought into HD-DVD would be able to save their collection and enjoy it on Blu from here on out.

mochevolete, I think you misunderstood each one of my points based on your answers. Furiousflea answered me on all points though.

Thanks guys!

turbojet

9th May 2009, 13:04

jdobbs: In next version could you add an option to disable deinterlacing and for interlaced streams add --tff to x264 line? It produces smaller files and looks better then deinterlacing.

Could you also enforce mkv elementary streams? There's no benefit in using .264 and MPC-HC/Arcsoft TMT2 don't handle m2ts from .264 streams correctly and looks like they will never get fixed. The joining issue I had with mkv files in seamless branching BD's has been fixed in tsmuxer.

Also could you add CERTIFICATE/BDJO/JAR/META files with --avchd switch for movie only w/o strict avchd, powerdvd and 4 BD players need these files, only 4 samsung's can't have them. For samsung's the strict avchd should remove AUXDATA directory in current output using --avchd. With these 2 all players will be supported again.

deank

14th May 2009, 15:40

Any chance of adding the ability to also back up DVD's to BD? I know this can be (partially) accomplished with DVD-RB, but I'm sure BD-RB has the potential for providing better support for this.

I'm very curious why someone would want to do that?

Because you can re-encode ordinary Std Def DVDs to x264, and retain original quality on a DVD5, vs. most comml DVD-9s or even some movies which span multiple discs (e.g. Titanic special, LOTR, Pearl Harbor, etc).

Or put a whole TV series onto a BD-25 (or even a DVD-9).

Sorry to bring that old topic back, but I was playing last night with multiAVCHD and added support for DVD disc/folder/IFO import. If anyone is willing to test and report back - it will be great. It's kind of experimental. Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1285330#post1285330) is the latest info.

Dean

colinhunt

18th May 2009, 14:55

jdobbs: What sort of donation would it take for you to implement a direct 1:1 copy of video streams, when simple removal of needless audio streams results in output size less than single-layer BD-R/RE? It feels kind of silly that BD-RB re-encodes the video stream even when it's not strictly necessary.

hoju3508

28th May 2009, 17:01

I noticed that too.

I was trying to backup Valkyrie to a BD25 (main movie + english audio + eng subtitle; menu and extras). The main movie + eng audio & sub fit perfectly on a BD25 without re-encoding.

BD-Rebuilder should not touch this part and re-encode the extras and menus only. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to implement this.

:thanks:

jdobbs: What sort of donation would it take for you to implement a direct 1:1 copy of video streams, when simple removal of needless audio streams results in output size less than single-layer BD-R/RE? It feels kind of silly that BD-RB re-encodes the video stream even when it's not strictly necessary.

jdobbs

29th May 2009, 03:47

Any news on keeping Hi Def tracks under the custom file size option? It should work as long as your output size is greater than a DVD-9. I think I used 8,500 Mbytes as the trip point.

jdobbs

29th May 2009, 03:48

I noticed that too.

I was trying to backup Valkyrie to a BD25 (main movie + english audio + eng subtitle; menu and extras). The main movie + eng audio & sub fit perfectly on a BD25 without re-encoding.

BD-Rebuilder should not touch this part and re-encode the extras and menus only. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to implement this.

:thanks: I noticed it too when I backed up Valkyrie, but that's so rare that I hadn't put a lot of thought into it. Note: It would only work on a movie-only encode of Valkyrie, though.

I'll add it.

turbojet

29th May 2009, 17:20

Chefkoch_ico: Just a little update for original post.

These can be removed:
- Option to retain original HD Audio. DTS-HD, DTS Master, True-HD, LPCM, etc.
- Option to resize to 720p
- movie only mode with correct chapters

Jdobbs: As far as sizing is concerned. Wouldn't it be much simpler/accurate to use this workflow:
- 1 pass CRF everything but main movie
- get the sum of all extras+menus+other files that are copied from the BD
- calculate overhead of main movie (AC3/DTS/Sub overhead from RipBot264 is out there and very accurate)
- set video bitrate according to: <total size> - everything else

Detecting episodic BD's could be a little tricky but maybe if 2 or more streams are found to be of signifigant length treat all as main movie in this scenario, with a context menu option in the stream window of 1 pass CRF or 2-pass for all streams.

I'm asking this because I'd like to request to allow the set quality settings to be used with CRF extras. But depending on the eventual workflow that could be either adding in another extras encode option or changing non-quick extras.

jdobbs

29th May 2009, 19:23

Jdobbs: As far as sizing is concerned. Wouldn't it be much simpler/accurate to use this workflow:
- 1 pass CRF everything but main movie
- get the sum of all extras+menus+other files that are copied from the BD
- calculate overhead of main movie (AC3/DTS/Sub overhead from RipBot264 is out there and very accurate)
- set video bitrate according to: <total size> - everything else
Uhhh... That's pretty much exactly what happens now when you select "Quicker Encode for Extras".

knife2006

29th May 2009, 20:14

Just one question.
Some BDs have 1080p and 480p version of movie in one file. I don't know if it's possible to obtain just 1080p version and remove 480p version when bacuping to BD-r 25GB to movie and menu(not just movie mode)? thank you for your answer

spida_singh

29th May 2009, 20:17

It should work as long as your output size is greater than a DVD-9. I think I used 8,500 Mbytes as the trip point.

So if I want my movie only encodes to be 9150 Mbytes big, your program will still retain the hi def audio, or, will this also work in a full backup scenario? Just want to confirm so I know what I can do. (I know there will much degredation in movie quality using a full backup this size, but, I am not actually going to be doing this, I just want to know if this is how the options stand)

Thinking of purchasing a new PCH, when available, supposed to have BD ISO streaming......

many thanks for your reply

regards

jdobbs

30th May 2009, 05:02

So if I want my movie only encodes to be 9150 Mbytes big, your program will still retain the hi def audio, or, will this also work in a full backup scenario? Just want to confirm so I know what I can do. (I know there will much degredation in movie quality using a full backup this size, but, I am not actually going to be doing this, I just want to know if this is how the options stand)

Thinking of purchasing a new PCH, when available, supposed to have BD ISO streaming......

many thanks for your reply

regardsIt will try... but it will possibly give you an error saying "Audio/PGS Size error" because the HD audio combined with video might be too big for 9150MB.

Sharc

30th May 2009, 13:33

Uhhh... That's pretty much exactly what happens now when you select "Quicker Encode for Extras".
@turbojet
... and if you like you can set your preferred crf value under the [OPTIONS] section of bdrebuilder.ini as QUICK_CRF=

turbojet

30th May 2009, 14:16

Ya I use QUICKK_CRF quite often.

Anyhow if non-quick extras is still going to be 2 pass I'd like to request a 1 pass extras option that uses the same quality settings that are set for main movie.

I understand the reason to be quick but at such low bitrates like 1080p@1 mbps --ref > 1 can really help quality from what I've noticed.

Also a little cosmetic bug report: when doing crf encodes --stats and --pass don't have to be in the command line.

colinhunt

30th May 2009, 15:54

I noticed it too when I backed up Valkyrie, but that's so rare that I hadn't put a lot of thought into it. Note: It would only work on a movie-only encode of Valkyrie, though. I'll add it.
Expect a nice donation once this feature works. Thanks!

Category 5

30th May 2009, 16:41

Are you saying a movie only re-encode should leave the video untouched if it less than a BD25? I haven't figured this out yet then. I did a movie (can't remember which) that had a main movie that was 19.8GB, and BD Rebuilder re-encoded it it making it 20.3. It actually grew. I know you can manually keep the original by using tsmuxer gui and doing it on your own, but I was wondering why BD Rebuilder still chooses to re-encode. It would also be nice if we could choose to keep the original movie untouched, but use the remaining space for the extras to be re-encoded. If you were to drop HD audio and keep DD you could keep the main movie untouched and still have enough room for the extras to look good sometimes.

Also, I'm sure it's x264 that would have to do it, but how cool would CUDA support be? Get a couple of GTX260s in SLI mode for less than $300 and turn around a re-encode in a couple of hours. :-)

Just wishing.

Also - PLease give us an option to force a particluar subtitle stream so when there is a second sub track for foreign language dialogue it will play without having to manually enable it (like in Kill Bill during the Hitori Hanso scenes).

turbojet

30th May 2009, 17:26

Also, I'm sure it's x264 that would have to do it, but how cool would CUDA support be? Get a couple of GTX260s in SLI mode for less than $300 and turn around a re-encode in a couple of hours. :-)

Just wishing.

While CUDA sounds enticing it's not very useful for encoding when paired with a modern CPU. In it's current state the only thing that can be done is decoding. Latest CoreAVC can use cuda and run with BD-RB but it's often slower then software decoding depending on cpu and x264 settings. DG*NV are the same way. The only way I know of currently to gain speed during encoding is using avs2yuv+64 bit x264 build for ~10% speed increase.

Category 5

30th May 2009, 21:17

While CUDA sounds enticing it's not very useful for encoding when paired with a modern CPU. In it's current state the only thing that can be done is decoding. Latest CoreAVC can use cuda and run with BD-RB but it's often slower then software decoding depending on cpu and x264 settings. DG*NV are the same way. The only way I know of currently to gain speed during encoding is using avs2yuv+64 bit x264 build for ~10% speed increase.

I do run Vista 64. Where can I get the 64 bit x264 version and should I just replace the one in the folder with it? 10% is good enough to start! :)

jdobbs

30th May 2009, 23:11

I do run Vista 64. Where can I get the 64 bit x264 version and should I just replace the one in the folder with it? 10% is good enough to start! :)http://www.x264.nl

turbojet

31st May 2009, 01:44

I forgot to mention 64 bit x264 build won't work currently with BD-RB, it requires added support.

tekmobile

1st June 2009, 00:11

I know I don't do movie only encodes normally but on the rare occasion I do the one thing that annoys me is the looping.

How difficult would it be to make it just stop once it gets to the end instead of replaying again Im pretty sure no one is interested in the movie just looping over and over unless maybe someone creating say a store demo that is required to just play over and over.

Many thanks for your hard work its really apprechated

laserfan

1st June 2009, 00:19

I know I don't do movie only encodes normally but on the rare occasion I do the one thing that annoys me is the looping.Not a BD-RB issue but rather tsMuxeR so ask roman76r about it--I have complained to no effect.

You can use BDEdit to "Jump to Break" instead of "Jump to Title" which is what I do...

jdobbs

1st June 2009, 00:45

I should be able to turn the looping off. I'll at least check it out.

ibanez

1st June 2009, 04:18

DVD-RB will continue to progress... but I also want to look forward. Eventually Blu-ray will replace DVD the same way DVD replaced VHS -- and I want to be ahead of the power curve.

I understand the following suggestion is not a priority and may not be considered relevant to BD-RB.

Looking forward I can also see that along with Blu-ray replacing DVD, that many people may also choose to backup and play their Blu-ray media on Hdd and media player, rather than optical media in a Blu-ray player. It seems MKV is the most popular format for this.

I think it would be a good feature to enable a movie only backup to be written to an MKV file. BD-RB already does the hard part of choosing the audio/subtitle streams, extracting embedded AC3 or Core DTS audio tracks, and converting/shrinking the video with X264. The process of then muxing these into an MKV with mkvmerge is probably very similiar to the process of producing the Blu-ray/AVCHD with Tsmuxer (although I guess subtitles may be more difficult).

Personally I think BD-RB is a great application, and can handle the additional few hours in converting the BD-RB output to MKV with Eac3to and mkvmerge.

Category 5

1st June 2009, 05:39

I forgot to mention 64 bit x264 build won't work currently with BD-RB, it requires added support.

Bummer. :(

Well, still no re-encode for movie only copies that already fit on the destination media, and option to not re-encode main movie and squash extras into the remaining space of the full disc woul A-help us keep quality as high as possible and B-Svae tremendous amounts of time in cases where the movie will already fit (why re-encode for 12 hours if we don't need to?)

wiggle

3rd June 2009, 11:54

An option to change (or remove) max bitrate
Able to strip extras in BD-Rebuilder itself (replace by dummies)

jdobbs

4th June 2009, 04:59

An option to change (or remove) max bitrate
Able to strip extras in BD-Rebuilder itself (replace by dummies) Allowing you to remove the max bitrate isn't going to happen. It will cause lots of issues because it makes it easy to violate the BD standard, without giving any detectable improvement in quality. All I'd get for that is 10,000 bug reports caused by self-inflicted injuries.

Anytime someone asks me to violate the BD standard, the answer will be "no" -- just like it was with DVD Rebuilder.

I'll eventually add an editor for removing extras, etc... but that's down the road a little way.

Sorry.

turbojet

4th June 2009, 05:58

ibanez

4th June 2009, 08:20

Here's another feature request. Feel free to ignore :)

It would be good to be able to a movie-only backup of the individual episodes on an episodic Blu-ray.

The TV series I have done so far (LOST, HEROES) have seperate MPLS/M2TS files for each episode.

As they tend to take up the majority of a BD-50, a full backup to DVD-9 is not really an option. However if you had an option along with 'Full backup'/'Movie-only' of 'Episode-only' (with a text field to enter the amount of episodes on the disc) BD-RB could create a output directory for each episode that could then be burned to disc.

Given that the majority of episodes (with the core dts/embedded ac3 extracted) are around 6-8 GB each, backing these up individually to a BD-5 (with AC3 audio) would be a high quality and inexpensive option.

Fishman0919

4th June 2009, 10:11

An option to change (or remove) max bitrate
Able to strip extras in BD-Rebuilder itself (replace by dummies)

Doesn't DVD-RB adjust max bitrate based on audio bitrates?

Maybe you could do something like that with BD-RB?

for example:
If size < 8500 MB: 25 mbps (safe DVD max) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate
If size > 8500 MB: 40 mbps (safe BD max?) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate

For BluRay I use a Max bitrate of 18000 for all my encodings and Profile 4.0 (which allows a Max bitrate of 25000) to fit onto a DVD5 or DVD9 disc. Most of my encoding Max bitrate never make it higher then 12000 to 13000... some with a Max bitrate as low as in the 10000... a few spike up to 16000 sometimes on a DVD9 disc.

Why make an issue about something that really is not an issue. To paraphrase something someone said once...

"If you pi$$ in the Ocean, you will raise the water level... but would anyone be able to notice the difference?"

wiggle

4th June 2009, 10:50

Allowing you to remove the max bitrate isn't going to happen. It will cause lots of issues because it makes it easy to violate the BD standard, without giving any detectable improvement in quality. All I'd get for that is 10,000 bug reports caused by self-inflicted injuries.

Anytime someone asks me to violate the BD standard, the answer will be "no" -- just like it was with DVD Rebuilder.

I'll eventually add an editor for removing extras, etc... but that's down the road a little way.

Sorry.
Okay too bad about the first point. Undertand your point, thanks for considering my requests.

turbojet

4th June 2009, 20:57

For BluRay I use a Max bitrate of 18000 for all my encodings and Profile 4.0 (which allows a Max bitrate of 25000) to fit onto a DVD5 or DVD9 disc. Most of my encoding Max bitrate never make it higher then 12000 to 13000... some with a Max bitrate as low as in the 10000... a few spike up to 16000 sometimes on a DVD9 disc.

Why make an issue about something that really is not an issue. To paraphrase something someone said once...

"If you pi$$ in the Ocean, you will raise the water level... but would anyone be able to notice the difference?"

With 720p I agree with you that 17.5 mbps is plenty. But check out crowdrun (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a0977474231d0c7dd2db6fb9a8902bda) resized to 1080p @ 25 fps. CRF 22 with no vbv gives 16-18 mbps depending on settings. While this is a complicated scene there are realistically more complex scenes in your typical movie.

Anyhow the max bitrate issue usually comes up with BD25 target being < 20 GB and it'll continue to come up as long as people are using BD-RB to encode BD25 movie only and is the max bitrate stays at 25 mbps. DVD-RB tries to use the largest max bitrate why should BD-RB be any different?

I had some thoughts about resizing. It would require separating movie and extras and having menu options like this:
extras ->
- resize 1080 to 720
- resize 1080/720 to 480
- resize 1080/720 to 576 (is 720x576 a commonly used resolution?)

movie\episodes ->
- resize 1080 to 720
- resize 1080/720 to 480 (kinda takes away the point of HD?)
- resize 1080/720 to 480 (kinda takes away the point of HD?)
- auto-resize ->
-- <enter CRF here> default 26
what auto resize would do is run the CRF set on 5% of the movie using selectevery and if the bitrate is less than the crf gave it would keep it 1080p, if it was greater it would resize to 720p.

Also the encoding issue I have that long gop's would solve 100% could be minimized quite a bit if it was possible to use 1 pass CRF encode of extras at same quality settings as main movie. 2 pass would do it, but it's not very useful for me aiming at DVD5/9 as it reduces the main movie bitrate by at least 20% over CRF26 extras in the few encodes I've compared.

jdobbs

6th June 2009, 02:12

Doesn't DVD-RB adjust max bitrate based on audio bitrates?

Maybe you could do something like that with BD-RB?

for example:
If size < 8500 MB: 25 mbps (safe DVD max) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate
If size > 8500 MB: 40 mbps (safe BD max?) - audio bitrates = --vbv-maxrate It adjusts its bitrate based upon audio bitrates and/or audio file size, but not "maximum bitrate". BD-RB does the same. I'm currently using 17.5Mbs for DVD and 35Mbs for BD.

I do have a parameter limiting the calculated bitrate (as does DVD-RB) -- that's where the 25Mbs come in for BD.

It's a little confusing I guess. But you have a min/max for the calculated bitrate and you have a maximum for VBR peaks (vbv_maxrate).

colinhunt

8th June 2009, 21:06

Made another donation a moment ago, in the hopes that it will spur jdobbs into implementing the feature which lets BD-RB skip unnecessary video encoding :)

Kurtnoise

11th June 2009, 16:32

I vote to have eac3to as audio tracks demuxer instead of tsmuxer coz it's much more robust regarding A/V gaps fixes or dialog normalization. I know it's a big feature and probably requires some rewritten code. But, you know, it's just a beta and before to jump in the wind...

and btw, any comment on my last request ? (much more easy I swear):
@jdobbs: could you add an option to delete (or not) the working folder at the end of the process ?
:thanks:

jdobbs

11th June 2009, 19:55

I vote to have eac3to as audio tracks demuxer instead of tsmuxer coz it's much more robust regarding A/V gaps fixes or dialog normalization. I know it's a big feature and probably requires some rewritten code. But, you know, it's just a beta and before to jump in the wind...

and btw, any comment on my last request ? (much more easy I swear): I'll add the working directory deletion it as a hidden option.

Sharc

13th June 2009, 19:44

What about an option "Shutdown after completion"?

tekmobile

14th June 2009, 14:26

I know its only cosmetic but any chance of reporting the ETA as reported by x264 in the GUI.

I currently have it set to show the x264 encoder for this reason only

jdobbs

15th June 2009, 03:35

Made another donation a moment ago, in the hopes that it will spur jdobbs into implementing the feature which lets BD-RB skip unnecessary video encoding :)Just so you know, I'm working on this now... and it is a major pain.

Deciding to keep a video stream because it is small enough already is straight-forward enough -- but then if it is a part of an MPLS that has other segments in it -- it still has to be encoded if any of the other component parts of the MPLS do. Of course, since I do them one at a time and for each component calculate individually how much audio/pgs space is needed, you never know at the point you are deciding whether to reencode whether any of the other components will be small enough.

Ughhh.

colinhunt

15th June 2009, 15:50

Just so you know, I'm working on this now... and it is a major pain.
I know it's difficult and I really truly honestly appreciate you working on it. It's the feature I'm most looking forward to... followed by the option of keeping HD and PCM tracks for DVD9 backups.

GaPony

16th June 2009, 00:14

HD Tracks can be enough to fill a DL DVD all by themselves...

jdobbs

16th June 2009, 04:08

I know it's difficult and I really truly honestly appreciate you working on it. It's the feature I'm most looking forward to... followed by the option of keeping HD and PCM tracks for DVD9 backups.That's not likely going to happen. As GaPony mentioned, some of the HD tracks would easily fill a DVD even without any video associated with it. That's the reason I had to add the AC3 encoding feature from the start.