BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[drmih]

That I won't deny, but there's zero evidence so far it has been cracked completely or they wouldn't be limited to 'certain disc versions only'.

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I'm not sure these are coming from people using that software, but that they have been done by a group. I notice that the Russia people who have been releasing a variety of 4k material over the last few years have vanished - perhaps they've gone 'commercial' or just been shut down and this is the source of the images.

[drmih]

With the flood gates seemingly open, and a capability in DVDFab, can I raise this again? Keeping the audio untouched and fitting them on a bd-50 would be great.

[jdobbs]

With the flood gates seemingly open, and a capability in DVDFab, can I raise this again? Keeping the audio untouched and fitting them on a bd-50 would be great.You can do that now.

[drmih]

You can do that now.

Is there a trick I'm missing as when you open a source it doesn't show the tracks?

[gonca]

You can do that now.

I think he is referring to 4K UHD discs

[jdobbs]

With the flood gates seemingly open, and a capability in DVDFab, can I raise this again? Keeping the audio untouched and fitting them on a bd-50 would be great.If you're talking about reencoding UHD to make it fit -- than I can only say "It's not as simple as you think." But I am working on it. If, though, you are asking for the ability to remove audio tracks to make a UHD structure fit on a BD-50 (where possible) then that would not be that hard to do -- but I'd rather implement a full capability than something imperfect. What, for example, would you do with the video portion itself is bigger than a BD-50 can hold?

[drmih]

If you're talking about reencoding UHD to make it fit -- than I can only say "It's not as simple as you think." But I am working on it. If, though, you are asking for the ability to remove audio tracks to make a UHD structure fit on a BD-50 (where possible) then that would not be that hard to do -- but I'd rather implement a full capability than something imperfect. What, for example, would you do with the video portion itself is bigger than a BD-50 can hold?

I'm want to keep the audio (in fact I definitely want it untouched) - I was in fact saying 'do the video, leave the audio' alone:)

[DoctorM]

I feel like 4k is more sales gimmick than upgrade. Most films transferred don't have 4k worth of detail to scan and most people don't sit an arms length from their TV to make out the detail when it does exist.

My feeling is that the ability to resize 4k video to 1080p while preserving 10bit color and HDR would probably be optimal. It would make re-encoding a bit faster, provide a disc space savings and preserve the real benefits of UHD films.

[Lathe]

I feel like 4k is more sales gimmick than upgrade. Most films transferred don't have 4k worth of detail to scan and most people don't sit an arms length from their TV to make out the detail when it does exist.

My feeling is that the ability to resize 4k video to 1080p while preserving 10bit color and HDR would probably be optimal. It would make re-encoding a bit faster, provide a disc space savings and preserve the real benefits of UHD films.

Yep... I pretty much feel about 4k like JD does about lossless audio...

[geheim]

Converting MKV's to working UHD file structure without reencoding would be a great freature :)

[jdobbs]

I feel like 4k is more sales gimmick than upgrade. Most films transferred don't have 4k worth of detail to scan and most people don't sit an arms length from their TV to make out the detail when it does exist.

My feeling is that the ability to resize 4k video to 1080p while preserving 10bit color and HDR would probably be optimal. It would make re-encoding a bit faster, provide a disc space savings and preserve the real benefits of UHD films.Probably so. Most reports say it is indistinguishable from 1080p are normal viewing distance. Oddly enough, though, I remember people saying the same about SD->HD, and I can see a big difference there. And what with screens getting bigger and bigger... it may be a good thing.

UHD is also highly popular, and is the standard for most newer screens. So I feel like not supporting it is looking backward instead of forward.

A bigger question to me is how long optical discs will continue with the transition to streaming. But it's probably good for a few years.

[jdobbs]

Converting MKV's to working UHD file structure without reencoding would be a great freature :)That'll certainly be supported if and when I get it finished.

[Sharc]

Currently BD-RB can import 3D SBS .mkv files.
Would it be possible to add an import filter for 3D mkv with format profile: "Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1", MultiView_Layout: "Both Eyes laced in one block"? (I think it's frame-packing type 13 and 14).
The current workaround for such files is to remux them manually with tsmuxer to a 3D blu-ray folder structure or to .iso. No big deal but it could possibly be automated in BD-RB.

[jdobbs]

Currently BD-RB can import 3D SBS .mkv files.
Would it be possible to add an import filter for 3D mkv with format profile: "Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1", MultiView_Layout: "Both Eyes laced in one block"? (I think it's frame-packing type 13 and 14).
The current workaround for such files is to remux them manually with tsmuxer to a 3D blu-ray folder structure or to .iso. No big deal but it could possibly be automated in BD-RB.I'll look at it and add it to the "to-do" list. Right now, though, my priority is implementing UHD-BD support, so it might be a while.

[Cowboys6190]

Thanks for working on the uhd-bd capability. I do agree that this is the future and that discs will still be around for a while as streaming cannot compare to the quality of both video and audio at this point.

Does anyone know if you can place a 4k (HEVC codec), 10 bit video on to a 50gb disc and play it in a normal blu-ray player? Will it play the 4k resolution and the 10bit (HDR) color? (as long as video and audio tracks fit without encoding)

[jdobbs]

Thanks for working on the uhd-bd capability. I do agree that this is the future and that discs will still be around for a while as streaming cannot compare to the quality of both video and audio at this point.

Does anyone know if you can place a 4k (HEVC codec), 10 bit video on to a 50gb disc and play it in a normal blu-ray player? Will it play the 4k resolution and the 10bit (HDR) color? (as long as video and audio tracks fit without encoding)No. It will not work. A normal blu-ray player doesn't support HEVC, 4k, 10 bit video, or HDR. But... you can, however, buy a UHD-BD player and it will connect it to and play back UHD sources on an non-4k monitor (it will downscale to 1080p). Since almost every new monitor supports 4k, though, that's not saying much. I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard HD monitor.

[Sharc]

..... I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard hd monitor.
+1 ;)

[Lathe]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

..... I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard hd monitor.

+1 ;)

^ Yep... http://lathe-of-heaven.com/yes.gif

[A.Fenderson]

I've searched and experimented and everything currently points to "no," but I thought I'd ask:

I know proper UHD-BD support is in the works, but apart from that, is there any current method of importing 4K/UHD videos to reauthor as (non-UHD, aka "merely HD") BD-compliant output? I have a bunch of 3840x2160, 8-bit, 29.97fps video from my camcorder that I'd like to burn to BD for my parents.

Actually, the same camcorder records in 1080p59.94, and I can't seem to import any of those files either, so same question for "1080p60" material.

I tried putting resize scripts in the script pop-up box, but BD-RB is aborting during import with "ERROR: Incompatible stream (3840x2160) detected. Aborting." in the case of UHD files.

For HRF progressive HD I get "ERROR: Converting MP4 container. Aborted." in the case of 1080p59.94 files. I know these videos would have to be either artificially interlaced or every other frame thrown out, but I don't know how to do that from within BD-RB, if that's possible.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

I've searched and experimented and everything currently points to "no," but I thought I'd ask:

I know proper UHD-BD support is in the works, but apart from that, is there any current method of importing 4K/UHD videos to reauthor as (non-UHD, aka "merely HD") BD-compliant output? I have a bunch of 3840x2160, 8-bit, 29.97fps video from my camcorder that I'd like to burn to BD for my parents.

Actually, the same camcorder records in 1080p59.94, and I can't seem to import any of those files either, so same question for "1080p60" material.

I tried putting resize scripts in the script pop-up box, but BD-RB is aborting during import with "ERROR: Incompatible stream (3840x2160) detected. Aborting." in the case of UHD files.

For HRF progressive HD I get "ERROR: Converting MP4 container. Aborted." in the case of 1080p59.94 files. I know these videos would have to be either artificially interlaced or every other frame thrown out, but I don't know how to do that from within BD-RB, if that's possible.

Thanks.Give it a week...

The 1080p59.94 files wouldn't have to be interlaced... they should be supported (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1830203#post1830203) (although I haven't added that to the IMPORT function yet).

The 1080p29.97 files would have to be either doubled or have frames removed.

[Lathe]

Give it a week...



Well, you know what they say... 7 days without JD's updates makes one weak...

[jlpsvk]

Give it a week...

Means it will be possible to rebuild UHD BD (replace streams) without recompress? Will the Dolby Vision extension layer be supported to passthroug?

[Lathe]

...And, will it do the bloody DISHES! That's what I want to know!

[jdobbs]

Means it will be possible to rebuild UHD BD (replace streams) without recompress? Will the Dolby Vision extension layer be supported to passthroug?The more discs I do the less likely that seems. The bitrate on many sources is an issue. I've seen an occasional one that will work -- but most end up with sync issues and stuttering. The bottom line is that BD-50/25 has a lower maximum bitrate than BD-66 or BD-100 (which is used for most originals).

But... you never know.

[jlpsvk]

The more discs I do the less likely that seems. The bitrate on many sources is an issue. I've seen an occasional one that will work -- but most end up with sync issues and stuttering. The bottom line is that BD-50/25 has a lower maximum bitrate than BD-66 or BD-100 (which is used for most originals).

But... you never know.

yeah...but when burning to bd-xl i can just passthrough video+dolby vision and leave only wanted tracks+add my own. that would be awesome. i don't want to preserve menus and so on...just main movie, video+dolby vision passthrough, audio which i want passthrough and add some additional tracks and subs and make BDMV structure again...simple UHD BD REAUTHOR without reencoding.

[A.Fenderson]

yeah...but when burning to bd-xl i can just passthrough video+dolby vision and leave only wanted tracks+add my own. that would be awesome....

Do you have a player that is known to play BD-R/RE XL 100GB discs? So far it seems rare. If so, what model?

[jlpsvk]

Do you have a player that is known to play BD-R/RE XL 100GB discs? So far it seems rare. If so, what model?

I have OPPO 203, that should support it in coming updates according to my infos.

[ocean]

@jlpsvk

Hi, for passthrough Dolby Vision HDR dynamic, inside m2ts main find 2 streams: 4K 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 (Dolby Vision).
There are more values in file mpls and index.bdmv:

For example MPLS

"SubPath": [
{
"reserved01": 0,
"SubPath_type": 10,
"reserved02": 0,
"is_repeat_SubPath": 0,
"reserved03": 0,
"SubPlayItem": [
{
"Clip_Information_file_name": "00234",
"Clip_codec_identifier": "M2TS",
"ref_to_STC_id": 0,
"reserved01": 0,
"is_multi_Clip_entries": 0,
"sp_connection_condition": 1,
"SubPlayItem_IN_time": 524280,
"SubPlayItem_OUT_time": 367650414,
"sync_PlayItem_id": 0,
"sync_start_PTS_of_PlayItem": 524280

index.bdmv

AppInfoBDMV": {
"reserved01": 0,
"initial_output_mode_preference": 0,
"SS_content_exist_flag": 0,
"reserved02": 0,
"video_format": "1080p",
"frame_rate": "23.976",
"content_provider_user_data": [

[AmigaFuture]

Converting MKV's to working UHD file structure without reencoding would be a great freature :)

That's always a great feature without care of the source. For me, though, chapters must always be there and subtitles. SRT and whatever form a disc is released with.

[AmigaFuture]

It will not work. [...] I guess you have to be poor like me to still be using a standard HD monitor.

Monetarily +1 here also.

[A.Fenderson]

I have OPPO 203, that should support it in coming updates according to my infos.

I asked OPPO, and they're unwilling to commit to that. "Possible inclusion in a future firmware" is all they're willing to say, which isn't very reassuring. Unfortunate, because I really want one of those players.

Unfortunately the player does not support BD-R or BDR-RE XL media. This is something that the engineers are
looking into for possible inclusion in a future firmware, but it is not yet possible in our current firmware.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
162 Constitution Dr.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

[Lathe]

I asked OPPO, and they're unwilling to commit to that. "Possible inclusion in a future firmware" is all they're willing to say, which isn't very reassuring. Unfortunate, because I really want one of those players.

Unfortunately the player does not support BD-R or BDR-RE XL media. This is something that the engineers are
looking into for possible inclusion in a future firmware, but it is not yet possible in our current firmware.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
162 Constitution Dr.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

Shame, since OPPO is one of the leading players. I have the older (PRE-Cinavia :D) BDP-83's that I will absolutely hang onto despite it's not being as fancy as the new ones.

Yet ANOTHER case of making people buy all new hardware for some 'new & improved' format...

[jlpsvk]

As I said, it should be implemented if my sources aren't wrong.

[jlpsvk]

any ETA for UHD BD support in BD Rebuilder? :)

[jdobbs]

any ETA for UHD BD support in BD Rebuilder? :)When it works... right now I'm having stop-and-go issues. If it is the result of the mux, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I guess I could release a version for testing to see if others are experiencing it.

[DeathStalker77]

How about allowing *different* combinations of language tracks to be selected, instead of all or nothing? If I have multiple languages, and say the extras have languages on diff tracks - on one Eng might be 1st, on another it might be 2nd, etc, right now I have to select ALL the audio tracks, even those I don't want, which reduces the bitrate of the videos.

PLEASE more flexibility in the encoding bitrate reduction of extras! (More like DVDRB)

And THANK YOU for all your continued hard work! :)

[jlpsvk]

When it works... right now I'm having stop-and-go issues. If it is the result of the mux, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I guess I could release a version for testing to see if others are experiencing it.

i volunteer. :)

[Lathe]

How about allowing *different* combinations of language tracks to be selected, instead of all or nothing? If I have multiple languages, and say the extras have languages on diff tracks - on one Eng might be 1st, on another it might be 2nd, etc, right now I have to select ALL the audio tracks, even those I don't want, which reduces the bitrate of the videos.

PLEASE more flexibility in the encoding bitrate reduction of extras! (More like DVDRB)

And THANK YOU for all your continued hard work! :)

I THINK that you can use this hidden option, which I have in my configuration settings: QUICK_CRF=n

With a full backup you choose 'Quick Encode for Extras' and you set the variable above to whatever you want. I think I have mine set at 24.

I hope this helps!

[Cedvano]

When it works... right now I'm having stop-and-go issues. If it is the result of the mux, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I guess I could release a version for testing to see if others are experiencing it.

It's a nice idea to include UHD.
I ripped 'It' in UHD and with 80Gb, you must not be in a hurry to reduce it.

[musiclover]

When making a bluray out of imported files the quick-play menu shows the different m2ts files in the stream directory. Is it much trouble for you to put in a menu that shows the chapters in a m2ts file? Take for example a concert movie. It would be nice to have the choice to pick a song to start the viewing. I have tried to do this by splitting the file using mkvmerge.exe in chapters en importing those. The quick-play menu looks good but playing the bluray there is a short pause after each chapter (m2ts) that makes viewing the concert less pleasing. When it would be possible to keep the concert in one m2ts the pauses would not occur and the viewing would be much improved.

[jdobbs]

Let me give that some thought. So... you'd like to have the chapters displayed in a separate menu? That would mean I'd have to create a way for you to select background video/image for the chapter menu... and create it. I'd also have to add a way to select the chapter menu from the main menu... either that or go to it automatically when the film is selected (rather than start playing).

I think it's doable...but I'd have to look at the code and see how much effort it would take.

[musiclover]

I only thought of replacing the quick-play menu as it is now with a menu containing the chapters. But you are right to look further and come up with selecting the chapter menu from the main menu.

I am happy that you are considering putting it on your todo list

[jdobbs]

I only thought of replacing the quick-play menu as it is now with a menu containing the chapters. But you are right to look further and come up with selecting the chapter menu from the main menu.

I am happy that you are considering putting it on your todo listThat would certainly be an easier way to do it!

[musiclover]

You created the hidden setting KEEP_HD_LPCM=0 where LPCM gets being reencoded even for "Keep HD Audio". Is it possible to make a reversed setting? So that LPCM is kept and DTS and AC3 are reencoded ?

[m.rup]

Hi, when blanking an item in the stream list, in some cases BD Rebuilder is selecting loads of additional items. That's basically not bad, but in some cases BD Rebuilder is overdoing things so I get problems while trying to play the processed movie. Would it be possible to add an additional item to the pop up menu, e.g. 'Blank this single item' or so, that does not affect other items in the stream list, or is there already an (hidden) option available for setting the blanking behavior?

[Lathe]

Hi, when blanking an item in the stream list, in some cases BD Rebuilder is selecting loads of additional items. That's basically not bad, but in some cases BD Rebuilder is overdoing things so I get problems while trying to play the processed movie. Would it be possible to add an additional item to the pop up menu, e.g. 'Blank this single item' or so, that does not affect other items in the stream list, or is there already an (hidden) option available for setting the blanking behavior?

I don't know if this is relevant, but I THINK BDRB blanks entire 'playlists' when you blank an item. Sometimes it is the movie itself divided into several parts, or it can be like all trailers, for example.

[m.rup]

Yeah, it seems to work that way, so I ask myself if it would be possible to restrict the blanking to one 'playlist' item.

[Lathe]

Yeah, it seems to work that way, so I ask myself if it would be possible to restrict the blanking to one 'playlist' item.

Well, if you happen to tell yourself an answer... :)

Seriously though, there have been a few times where I noticed that I would have preferred to blank just the one item instead of a whole block of them. I can't remember the specifics, but maybe something like blanking a large Xtra I really don't want, but not wanting to blank all of them.

[m.rup]

Of course I'm mainly asking jdobbs... :cool: It's not only blanking of special extras, in some cases also disc structure seems to be destroyed, at the moment, i see it while processing Incredibles 2. Here also the items that are displayed while disc is loading are included into selection. When blanked, the disc stops after the language selection menu.

[AmigaFuture]

Well, if you happen to tell yourself an answer... :)

Seriously though, there have been a few times where I noticed that I would have preferred to blank just the one item instead of a whole block of them. I can't remember the specifics, but maybe something like blanking a large Xtra I really don't want, but not wanting to blank all of them.

Honestly, some extras rely on other extras. Which is why when you blank some - all of them are. I don't know all the details about it, but it fits with logic of how some BDs are made. The authoring process.

Of course I'm mainly asking jdobbs... :cool: It's not only blanking of special extras, in some cases also disc structure seems to be destroyed, at the moment, i see it while processing Incredibles 2. Here also the items that are displayed while disc is loading are included into selection. When blanked, the disc stops after the language selection menu.

I'll check that for myself.. I rarely use the language menus. I hadn't considered any of those braking before after processing. Unless you mean the removable of some languages and they're still a choice in the menu, but that's normal.