BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[colinhunt]

None of these options give us the output we would need for a real 3D disk. They all are alternative way for 3D movies, but they all have the same issue: they put both angles into one frame, what causes lower resolution and they will not natively get the TV into 3D mode automatically.
Yeah, I realized when typing the post that some of those formats pack both views into a single frame, thus losing half of the resolution. Useless, in other words. And the ones that don't are not compatible with BD3D.

If someone want to create and analyze a real "movie only" 3D disc, then download the trial of DVD Architect Pro. With this software it is possible as I've seen.
I have it and have created 3D Blu-rays of my own footage with Sony Vegas Pro 12 (which is way too buggy for any serious work, IMHO).

[colinhunt]

HDMI 1.4 frame-packing requires support for top-and-bottom packing, but side-by-side full resolution frame packing apparently isn't required (http://www.best-3dtvs.com/what-is-frame-packing-3d/). That link also indicates that, while stored as MVC on the disc, Blu-Ray players actually reorder the decoded frames into top-and-bottom frame pack format when they present it to the TV/monitor.
Indeed. The player reads both the base stream (AVC) and dependent stream (MVC) from disc, gets L and R views from those and arranges the views into a single large frame (1920x2205 with 45 pixels of space between the views). Those frames are then transmitted to the display at ~24fps. Signaling tells the display it's receiving frame-packed 3D so it knows how to process the frames.

PlayStation 3 does not have the hardware for this so Sony engineers created similar functionality in software, and PS3 is powerful enough to pull it off. The software solution even lets them overcome the problem of PS3's HDMI 1.2/1.3 transmitters that lack the 3D features of HDMI 1.4 transmitter chips.

[jdobbs]

None of these options give us the output we would need for a real 3D disk. They all are alternative way for 3D movies, but they all have the same issue: they put both angles into one frame, what causes lower resolution and they will not natively get the TV into 3D mode automatically.

If someone want to create and analyze a real "movie only" 3D disc, then download the trial of DVD Architect Pro. With this software it is possible as I've seen. Actually you have it backwards. Give the X264 team the credit they deserve. These formats are the actual standard for presentation of 3D. MVC is just a way that Blu-Ray decided to implement it on their disc (probably to save space), but they have to be converted for playback. The blu-ray player has to reassemble the decoded picture into one of these formats (top-and-bottom frame packed) in order to present it to the monitor over HDMI. The monitor then internally converts it to frame sequential for display. None of these formats necessarily lower resolution: for example, the over-and-under is two full 1920x1080 pictures contained in one frame, and I don't believe frame alternation puts two pictures in one frame -- it uses full pictures (with double the frame rate) that have alternating L/R views.

[Sharc]

.... MVC is just a way that Blu-Ray decided to implement it on their disc (probably to save space), ...
... and probably to enable backwards playback compatibility: MVC 3D blu-rays can basically be played on legacy 2D blu-ray devices because one of the .m2ts streams is a standard 2D (left-eye) stream with full audio and subs.

[jdobbs]

... and probably to enable backwards playback compatibility: MVC 3D blu-rays can basically be played on legacy 2D blu-ray devices because one of the .m2ts streams is a standard 2D (left-eye) stream with full audio and subs. Sounds right...

[colinhunt]

... and probably to enable backwards playback compatibility: MVC 3D blu-rays can basically be played on legacy 2D blu-ray devices because one of the .m2ts streams is a standard 2D (left-eye) stream with full audio and subs.
Yeah - except when some dumbass Hollywood studio mid-level exec decides that they just have to sell the consumer both 3D-only and 2D-only versions of the Blu-ray in the same box. Hence Blu-ray 3Ds that have been programmed to work only on Blu-ray 3D players, even though the 2D stream would work perfectly well on 2D devices.

[Nico8583]

update:
i've tried with StarWars. Previously,I was unable to select angle (french scrolling title). I've made a temporaty ISO in QuickPlay backup. With this new ISO, angle selection works fine... really strange isn't it?
No changes with new full ISO created with BD-RB, I see 2 angles only...

[richardrpg]

@jdobbs
Glad to see you are considering to add a 3D sbs option to bdRebuilder. I've been having to use other software to encode my 3D Blu-Rays into sbs MKV files and every time I watch the resultant MKV I always wish that you would add this option to bdRebuilder so that I can have the same great picture quality that I always get from normal 2D encodes using bdRebuilder. Other software just cant come close to yours.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs
Glad to see you are considering to add a 3D sbs option to bdRebuilder. I've been having to use other software to encode my 3D Blu-Rays into sbs MKV files and every time I watch the resultant MKV I always wish that you would add this option to bdRebuilder so that I can have the same great picture quality that I always get from normal 2D encodes using bdRebuilder. Other software just cant come close to yours. Thanks. I'll probably add it as a movie-only option first, and then add full 3D SBS backup later.

[Ch3vr0n]

so BDRB would be able to backup 3D only or 2D/3D hybrid discs by converting to SBS ?

[Sharc]

Thanks. I'll probably add it as a movie-only option first, and then add full 3D SBS backup later.
Good news. Any plans to include "anaglyph" encoding as an option?

[jdobbs]

Good news. Any plans to include "anaglyph" encoding as an option? That's pretty easy to do -- but I really don't care much for anaglyph, too much color loss.

[Sharc]

That's pretty easy to do -- but I really don't care much for anaglyph, too much color loss.
Yes, but anaglyph is the only way to enjoy 3D via 2D playback devices (projector or TV). The 3D effect is actually very good, the original resolution is basically kept intact, but as you say the color loss is an issue. However I found that by selecting the right type of anaglyph (depends on the source, trial and error) and increasing brightness, contrast and color saturation for playback one can get quite decent results.

[omegaman7]

I'll make the request first, so you don't necessarily have to read what follows the request. How about BD rebuilder acknowledging forced subtitle tracks, and taking the necessary steps to ensure them present(and active), in no matter the backup.

I just ran an MKV to DVD of Underworld: Awakening. The MKV stated that track 2 subtitle was forced, via Mediainfo. I suspect Bd Rebuilder either uses Mediainfo, or something similar to determine what a video contains, as far as framerate, run time, etc, etc.

I notice that when right clicking on the subtitle tracks in BD Rebuilder, that it allows you to turn them on(Turn subtitle ON). Making them Forced?

Here's some shots of the file infos. The one on the left is the raw MKV. The one on the right is the Pseudo conversion created by BD Rebuilder. I see it also loses the chapter information.

I guess there is logic to starting over with an imported file. Creating a different type of backup, and starting from square one. But perhaps this may inspire you in another way :)

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/omegaman7/MIUnderworld1_zps32f9c5f2.png

[jdobbs]

Well, yes. You can make them default on... but that really isn't "forced". In Blu-Ray the forcing is done at the individual line of text (actually picture) level. So you can have a complete set of subtitles in a SUP, but certain individual text lines (for example when an foriegn language is present) are displayed. A forced subtitle will display even if no subtitles are on.

I think most MKVs have SRT subs -- which I don't believe even have the ability to be "forced". So when MediaInfo says "forced" I'm not sure what it means. I'm guessing it just means that stream is defaulted "on" in the stream, but I really don't know -- I'm no expert on the Matroska format.

[omegaman7]

Thanks for the info. I hate subs(at least the headaches that come with editing them sometimes). You also taught me something I was unaware of. MUCH appreciated. Thanks a bunch :)

[plouie10]

Hi Jdobbs,
First let me say I love the program and have used it without issues. Sorry if this is in the wrong section but I don't know where else to ask, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

I'm compressing a blu-ray copy of Zero Dark Thirty using BD Rebuilder to compress to 25GB Blu-Ray. I choose the 35GB M2TS Stream which is 00001MPLS. I am only presented with 3 PGS streams for subtitles. The first 2 are english and then a spanish one. None of which are the forced subtitle streams. So when I compress and play back on Blu-ray player it's either all the english subtitles or none. It won't just play the forced subtitle. Can anybody point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Thanks
Phil

[jdobbs]

Hi Jdobbs,
First let me say I love the program and have used it without issues. Sorry if this is in the wrong section but I don't know where else to ask, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

I'm compressing a blu-ray copy of Zero Dark Thirty using BD Rebuilder to compress to 25GB Blu-Ray. I choose the 35GB M2TS Stream which is 00001MPLS. I am only presented with 3 PGS streams for subtitles. The first 2 are english and then a spanish one. None of which are the forced subtitle streams. So when I compress and play back on Blu-ray player it's either all the english subtitles or none. It won't just play the forced subtitle. Can anybody point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Thanks
PhilI'll be back to my office this weekend. I already bought that one, but haven't tried it. I'll give it a test and see what I can find.

[plouie10]

I'll be back to my office this weekend. I already bought that one, but haven't tried it. I'll give it a test and see what I can find.

Thanks so much. Expect a donation shortly for your great efforts.

[Video Dude]

Two questions about using BD-Rebuilder to convert a DVD to BD-R:

1) Some discs (especially TV series) have only closed captions and not a subtitle track. Can BD-RB retain the closed captions during the conversion from DVD to BD-R?

2) If a dvd TV series is imported, is it possible to set a specific file size for each episode? Something like this was possible in DVD-RB with the segment editor.

[jdobbs]

Two questions about using BD-Rebuilder to convert a DVD to BD-R:

1) Some discs (especially TV series) have only closed captions and not a subtitle track. Can BD-RB retain the closed captions during the conversion from DVD to BD-R?

2) If a dvd TV series is imported, is it possible to set a specific file size for each episode? Something like this was possible in DVD-RB with the segment editor.1. Not currently. I didn't give that much thought. It shouldn't be too difficult to do, though.

2. No, not if you are doing a backup to AVCHD or BD. You'd probably only see that when I add it for all BD reencoding. But it's pretty far down on my priority list. You can, though, set a specific size if you are outputting to MKV or MP4.

[Sharc]

I wish to have a (hidden) option "anamorph", means
spline16resize(1440x1080), --sar 4:3 @DAR 16:9

Benefits:
- faster encoding compared to full HD at typically no visible loss of resolution
- good compromise for backups on BD5 and BD9
- no need for frame rate doubling (or pulldown double) as in case of 720p downscaling of 25fps and 29.97fps 1080i sources
- fully blu-ray spec compliant

I could do this manually via the AVS filter and tweak option, but it seems that the --sar 4:3 in the tweak option is not being copied into to the lastcmd.txt

[jdobbs]

I wish to have a (hidden) option "anamorph", means
spline16resize(1440x1080), --sar 4:3 @DAR 16:9

Benefits:
- faster encoding compared to full HD at typically no visible loss of resolution
- good compromise for backups on BD5 and BD9
- no need for frame rate doubling (or pulldown double) as in case of 720p downscaling of 25fps and 29.97fps 1080i sources
- fully blu-ray spec compliant

I could do this manually via the AVS filter and tweak option, but it seems that the --sar 4:3 in the tweak option is not being copied into to the lastcmd.txt
Good idea. I'll add it in the next release.

[A.Fenderson]

Good idea. I'll add it in the next release.

Awesome! I've seen some 1440x1080i anamorphic BDs that looked so good I never would have known they weren't 1920x1080i.

[jdobbs]

Awesome! I've seen some 1440x1080i anamorphic BDs that looked so good I never would have known they weren't 1920x1080i.I doubt seriously that anyone could actually tell the difference.

[Limobar]

Hi,

I'm using the default quality setting (high quality), 2 passes and my own tweak lines for the second pass.

I'm sure I'm not the first to request this, the option to resize bonus material. I'm thinking about giving the option to resize bonus material to 720p, when the resolution of the source is >720p.

Adding this feature would make it much easier for me to decide to keep the bonus material. Think of 1080p bonus material resized to 720p and encoded with a CRF of 22/24. The compression would be awesome and the quality still good enough to watch.

Please, consider my feature request.

[omegaman7]

Resizing extras to 720P would help with the encoding times. But I would prefer a crf of 18 - 20 myself. I don't like it when bad quality sticks out like a sore thumb LOL! I suppose I haven't ran many 22 - 24 Crf jobs though.

[Nico8583]

Hi :)
Do you work on 3D again or have you left this idea ? Thanks !

[Ch3vr0n]

Jdobbs, you well know that the minimum size for M2TS processing is 100MB. (set_min_m2ts) However the thing that's recently begun to bug me (as i start to do more & more blanking), is that this value is not kept during manual blanking (or even automatic blanking). you probably know that certain discs come with "don't copy this disc blablabla" notices by the dozens that are barely a few MB in size. Such sizes probably don't have any impact on final movie quality if left intact. Since that value is not transferred, would it be possible to have this value be applied on blanking too? It would significantly cut back my preview and blank yes/no time.

too explain what i'm after a little more clearly perhaps this will help.

set_min_blank_threshold=n (will set a minimum size requirement before a title gets blanked, in MB).

small introductory video's often range from 5-10 MB to less than 100. This would mean that video titles with a static image (like which is often used in menu's and are usually less than 5MB in size), would no longer be selected by default for blanking. Not on manual and not on auto. With perhaps a potential max value of 100MB this would match the minimum m2ts file size processing requirement (default value) perfectly.


oh and again, something i asked for a while ago. That multi-select and blank/unblanking. So you can (un)blank a range of consecutive titles at once. (like you can select ranges of files in windows with "select 1st, hold shift, select last > select action".

[Sharc]

I found out that when doing a full backup the CRF for the bonus material is 20. I would like to use a higher CRF, because the quality of the bonus material isn't too important to me and I rather give the bits to the movie. I tried to use FIXEDCRF=n, but that didn't do anything to the CRF used for bonus material.
The hidden option is QUICK_CRF=n

[Limobar]

Thank you so much! How could I have missed it?

[jdobbs]

Hi :)
Do you work on 3D again or have you left this idea ? Thanks ! I have it working, but I still have to add the function for adjusting the subtitles (so they are duplicated in SBS mode). It will require that you have already configured DirectshowMVCSource on your computer (following its directions) -- and you simply browse for DirectshowMVCSource.dll when you enable 3D SBS output for the first time.

[Nico8583]

Thanks a lot :)
I'm looking forward to test...

[Nico8583]

For subtitles : have you found a solution or are you searching for ? I had found a solution when I have try to encode 3D SBS...

[jdobbs]

For subtitles : have you found a solution or are you searching for ? I had found a solution when I have try to encode 3D SBS... I already have a subroutine in BD-RB that resizes subtitles (because there are some issues in TSMUXER and also to adjust imported DVDs). I'm just editing it to do the same for 3D.

[Nico8583]

I already have a subroutine in BD-RB that resizes subtitles (because there are some issues in TSMUXER and also to adjust imported DVDs). I'm just editing it to do the same for 3D.
And you make subtitles SBS (or TB) also ? So there are 2 same subtitles, one left and one right ? Or you convert subtitles to 3D ?

[jdobbs]

And you make subtitles SBS (or TB) also ? So there are 2 same subtitles, one left and one right ? Or you convert subtitles to 3D ? You have to make them SBS to match the SBS output, or they will spread across the screen in a mess and make you feel cross-eyed.

It not a big deal to do either flat subtitles of 3d. All you have to do to make them 3d is offset them a little on each of the SBS images (adjusted to what depth you want to make them appear).

[Nico8583]

Ok thanks :)
I hope to see 3D release soon :D

When do you plan to release 3D version approximatively ? ;)

[Nico8583]

I'm looking at Intel Media SDK 2013, there is a free MVC Decoder / Encoder but I don't know what can I do with that...

[stefandee2k]

Hi,
I'm looking for an option for convert only one or some DTS track to AC3, but not all the track.
Sometimes you can fit a disc onto a BD25 just by re-compressing a DTS-HD track to AC3.

I've checked the hidden option and the Faq, but I haven't found anythink about my request.

Thanks

Originally Posted by stefandee2k
Can you insert in future an option that allows this selection ?

Original Posted by jdobbs
I can, but I can't say when.



I renew my request as I think may be useful for other people too.
Thanks

[HWK]

Since BD-rebuilder know support 3D, can we have option to choose full side by side or half side by side. Along with same option for other 3d mode.

[jdobbs]

Since BD-rebuilder know support 3D, can we have option to choose full side by side or half side by side. Along with same option for other 3d mode. Sure. Do you have something that will play full side-by-side, or is this for archiving?

[HWK]

Sure. Do you have something that will play full side-by-side, or is this for archiving?

Yes, I do have a player which can support it. However my main goal is gone be archiving.

Also for all you hard work I donated $ 60 USD.


Jdoobs, on a side note x264 support frame packing parameter which define frame arrangement. I was thinking it may be good idea to add this parameter to 3d output according Lord_Mulder "--frame-packing" option adds the required "frame packing" SEI message to the H.264 stream. And you have to set the packing mode that matches your source. If, e.g., your source uses column alternation (L and R are interlaced by column) then you have to set "--frame-packing 1". Otherwise the decoder/player won't be able to determine how to display the video correctly! If you don't set "--frame-packing" at all, the player/decoder will probably assume that the video is 2D and disable all 3D playback features for that video..." based on light of this do you think it is good idea.

I never tried it, but I guess no harm in trying it.

--frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement

- 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
- 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
- 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
- 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
- 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
- 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

[Ch3vr0n]

small "request" here. Since the button is already embedded but "inactive". Would it be possible to "activate" the possibility to maximize the BDRB window :) Easier to spot from a distance then (like watching tv & encode in progress) if BDRB is still running or an error happened :)

[thegame]

small "request" here. Since the button is already embedded but "inactive". Would it be possible to "activate" the possibility to maximize the BDRB window :) Easier to spot from a distance then (like watching tv & encode in progress) if BDRB is still running or an error happened :)

Yes this would be great, for exactly the same reasons lol.

Also would be nice to have an option of halting progress before build, this would be great in case someone wants to swap out files.

[jdobbs]

Yes this would be great, for exactly the same reasons lol.

Also would be nice to have an option of halting progress before build, this would be great in case someone wants to swap out files. Just let it finish. Then make your changes, click "Backup" again and say "Ok" to resuming. Since all the encoding is completed it will do the build again with your changes -- and that portion really doesn't take very long.

[jdobbs]

small "request" here. Since the button is already embedded but "inactive". Would it be possible to "activate" the possibility to maximize the BDRB window :) Easier to spot from a distance then (like watching tv & encode in progress) if BDRB is still running or an error happened :) Not sure I understand. So you want the text to be enlarged with you maximize?

[colinhunt]

jdobbs, since BD-RB is able to split a file into multiple parts for encoding, do you think that one day it might be possible to have several PCs in a "render farm" where those multiple parts are encoded by a cluster of PCs all running BD-RB?

I mean, that would be pants-wettingly awesome.

[RobertM]

have several PCs in a "render farm" where those multiple parts are encoded by a cluster of PCs all running BD-RB?

Everything else being equal, that WOULD be neat. But I can't help feeling that it would benefit VERY few users, it would be a huge job for JDobbs, and it would open the door for a whole new batch of bugs. Every developer need to keep an eye out for feature bloat, and that one sounds like 'a bridge too far' to me.

[colinhunt]

Everything else being equal, that WOULD be neat. But I can't help feeling that it would benefit VERY few users, it would be a huge job for JDobbs, and it would open the door for a whole new batch of bugs. Every developer need to keep an eye out for feature bloat, and that one sounds like 'a bridge too far' to me.
To me it feels like the logical next step in making BD-RB faster. And jdobbs has done (what I believe is) the hardest part already, i.e. the splitting and combining of parts. I'm not saying the rest would be easy-peasy, however.

I just love the idea of having 10 PCs crunch a Highest Quality backup out in an hour :)