BD-Rebuilder, Feature Requests

[Ch3vr0n]

Not sure I understand. So you want the text to be enlarged with you maximize?

that should be done automatically by windows shouldn't it? If not y. so i can read everything from a distance. the progress bar shouldn't be too difficult either.

[Mark_Venture]

I have two requests... I'll try and explain the best I can, but...

1. Can there be an option to specify "output" destination separate from the "working path"

My thought.. When doing Alt-Movie Only to MKV, I get the .INF and .MKV in the working folder. When queuing up a batch, they all get put in that working folder. Can they be automatically put into a folder that matches the output .INF's name? So if I backup 3 discs, Disc_1, Disc_2, and Disc_3, when completed, I see Disc_1, Disc_2 and Disc_3 folders under the working, with the corresponding MKV and INF in them?

2. With MKV_MUXSUPS=1 adding the subtitle files into the MKV file for Alt Movie Only MKV processes, is there a way to also have the subtitle files saved with the INF and MKV separately so they are available for manual processing with a tool like Subtitle Edit (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Subtitle-Edit). This app can "import" bluray SUP files, and OCR to text based .SRT files, even showing only FORCED subtitles.

Request #1 was a thought because it might get messy when doing batch if option 2 is implemented. THen again, if the SUP files are named like the INF would be, I guess request #1 wouldn't be needed

[jdobbs]

that should be done automatically by windows shouldn't it? If not y. so i can read everything from a distance. the progress bar shouldn't be too difficult either.Nope. The dialog would fill the screen, but all the text stays the same size. Try it with any other package. When you set your web browser to maximized while you're reading this, does any of the text change size?

I disagree with "shouldn't be to difficult".

[Ch3vr0n]

well i'd love it if you could add it on the "todo" list. It's not a major "necessity", just something nice to have if ur pc is in the same room as ur tv but on the other side of the room way back :) with the maximize option & enlarged text/progress bar it would be easier to spot if it's still going or has stopped

about the difficult thing, i'm not gonna challenge u on that one ^^ u create it :)

[Groucho2004]

well i'd love it if you could add it on the "todo" list. It's not a major "necessity", just something nice to have if ur pc is in the same room as ur tv but on the other side of the room way back :) with the maximize option & enlarged text/progress bar it would be easier to spot if it's still going or has stopped
You're not a developer so you naturally don't realize the insanity of your request. It would require a complete re-write of the software with custom, non-standard text and window rendering libraries. I don't even know if there is anything like that out there (open source).
One thing you could do if you're too lazy to get up from your couch to check the progress is to set the resolution on your monitor so the dialog fills the screen (640x480 or something) and/or get a bigger monitor.

[Ch3vr0n]

set to 640x480 on a 24" 120Hz full hd 3D monitor? don't think so. Besides such a small resolution wouldn't do anything. I'd just get black bars on the side of the screen (if that resolution would even be supported) and the size of the bdrb app would still be the same.

** edit ** any chance of implementing that other thing i suggested a while back. quick (de)select streams for (un)blanking. Ya know the "click first, hold shift, click last" method that works in windows to quickly select a range of files and do the same action on them using the rightclick context menu.

[omegaman7]

So what's the word on ASS subtitles embedded in an MKV?

MultiAVCHD is having problems with my Episodic MKV's. Bd rebuilder has no problem making a Pseudo folder, but no subtitles. ConvertX doesn't like them either :(

I'm currently running 4406, but I'm updating to 4409 now. I don't suspect it will change though.

[jdobbs]

So what's the word on ASS subtitles embedded in an MKV?

MultiAVCHD is having problems with my Episodic MKV's. Bd rebuilder has no problem making a Pseudo folder, but no subtitles. ConvertX doesn't like them either :(

I'm currently running 4406, but I'm updating to 4409 now. I don't suspect it will change though.I don't think I've ever said I would support ASS subtitles.

[omegaman7]

I don't think I've ever said I would support ASS subtitles.

Ok. So that's your position on it. I'll figure something out. Probably converting them somehow to another format, and remuxing them, and THEN encoding with Bd rebuilder :)

Apparently I found a way to use Multiavchd. There were multiple errors, but the DVD output seemed to play properly in TMT5. Unlike MPCHC. It's just working out those darned Subs.

[jdobbs]

Ok. So that's your position on it. I'll figure something out. Probably converting them somehow to another format, and remuxing them, and THEN encoding with Bd rebuilder :)

Apparently I found a way to use Multiavchd. There were multiple errors, but the DVD output seemed to play properly in TMT5. Unlike MPCHC. It's just working out those darned Subs.Are those subs common? I don't think I've ever actually run into them.

[omegaman7]

I would say they're EXTREMELY rare. So not supporting them in BD rebuilder really isn't surprising ;) I found a way to extract them using Multiavchd. And there's another setting to hardcode them into the video. I believe I found my way :)

[jdobbs]

I would say they're EXTREMELY rare. So not supporting them in BD rebuilder really isn't surprising ;) I found a way to extract them using Multiavchd. And there's another setting to hardcode them into the video. I believe I found my way :)I'd like to find a source that has them, that way I can look at them and do a conversion to SRT (which TSMUXER will accept).

[setarip_old]

Curious name for a subtitle format ;>}

[omegaman7]

Curious name for a subtitle format ;>}

LOL! I thought so too.

Multiavchd succeeded in Hard coding the subs to the video. I think I'll have it build a 22 episode disc to BD-25, and see how BD-RB handles compressing to BD-9. If BD-RB ever has the menu capabilities of Multiavchd, I'll have my one stop encoding program :D Rest assured, I'll be donating to you like crazy JDobbs ;)

The way it's setup setting the subtitles is a bit of a process. I'm surprised the coder hasn't realized this. But I do have an outdated version no doubt :S

[colinhunt]

Compared the encoding settings, as reported by Mediainfo, of encodes using Quality=3 and Quality=4. I could spot only three differences: Q4 has subme=9 instead of 8; lookahead_threads=2 instead of 4 and trellis=2 instead of 1.

As far as I'm concerned, the Ultra High Quality settings could and should be even more extreme.

[Nico8583]

Hi :)
Is it possible to add an option to select resize filter ? 3D SBS uses Bilinear but is Lanczos can be used ? Thanks !

[jdobbs]

Hi :)
Is it possible to add an option to select resize filter ? 3D SBS uses Bilinear but is Lanczos can be used ? Thanks !Bad decision. Lanczos is much better for sizing up, but can cause a poorer picture than Bilinear when downsizing -- which is what you are doing when creating a half-SBS.

[Nico8583]

Have you tried different filters ? Bilinear is also used with 720p 2D downsize ?

[jdobbs]

Have you tried different filters ? Bilinear is also used with 720p 2D downsize ?Yes. I have done extensive testing and also extensive reading. Bilinear is better for downsizing. That is why it is used. Why would I change to a sizing filter that is slower and would give you poorer quality?

[Nico8583]

I've made several tests with several persons . I've also made a side by side frames comparison between several filters. Bilinear is very smooth and more details are lost than Lanczos. But it's my own opinion ;)

[jdobbs]

I've made several tests with several persons . I've also made a side by side frames comparison between several filters. Bilinear is very smooth and more details are lost than Lanczos. But it's my own opinion ;)
You're entitled to your own opinion. I'm entitled to mine as well.

[Nico8583]

No problem, I believed that could be added as an hidden option like 3D format (SBS or O/U or Anaglyph choice) ;)

[jdobbs]

No problem, I believed that could be added as an hidden option like 3D format (SBS or O/U or Anaglyph choice) ;) I could... but I hesitate because the number of those hidden options is becoming a little unmanagable, so I'm trying to limit them.

It's been a while since I did any reading on this subject, so I'll take a look around. I think there are those who would recommend Bicubic over Bilinear for downsizing.

[Edit] Man, I forgot how much controversy there is on this subject. Trying to get anything useful online is ugly. Heck-with-it, I'll just add a hidden option to let you choose.

[Nico8583]

Thanks a lot ! :)

[jdobbs]

Thanks a lot ! :) While I was at it, I also added one to choose the upsizing filter too.

[soneca]

Lanczos is very good, but I prefer spline36 to downsizing. ;):D

[Sharc]

Unless I am totally mistaken BD RB has been using Spline16Resize for 1080->720p downscaling (2D) since quite a while .... :devil:

Edit:
.. and it's a good choice (http://svn.int64.org/viewvc/int64/resamplehq/doc/kernels.html). Much the same as Lanczos2.

[jdobbs]

Unless I am totally mistaken BD RB has been using Spline16Resize for 1080->720p downscaling (2D) since quite a while .... :devil:

Edit:
.. and it's a good choice (http://svn.int64.org/viewvc/int64/resamplehq/doc/kernels.html). Much the same as Lanczos2.Spline16Resize is used for most of the upsizing. It was used for 1080->720p -- but frankly that was an oversight. Now (with this change) it will use whatever is selected for downsizing.

[spotswood]

jdobbs maybe, can you let us compress only 1 audio (like pcm to ac3) and we could keep the dts hd :D ? it could be possible right?You can do that now. Select "Keep HD" from the SETUP page, and then add KEEP_HD_LPCM=0 to your INI file. It will keep all HD except LPCM, and LPCM will be converted to AC3.I've tried this and the LPCM gets converted to 192Kbs. Can you add an option for stereo LPCM conversion at higher bitrates ex. 640Kbs?

I've been trying this with several options on the new Eagles Farewell 1 Blu-ray and have been unsuccessful. What I would like is to extract the core from the DTS-MA track and re-encode the LPCM to 640Kbs. Possible? Thanks for your help/suggestions/advice...

[jdobbs]

I've tried this and the LPCM gets converted to 192kbs. Can you add an option for LPCM conversion at higher bitrates ex. 640kbs and/or allow the DTS-MA core to be extracted while keeping/converting the LPCM?

I've been trying this with several options on the new Eagles Farewell 1 Blu-ray and have been unsuccessful. What I would like is to extract the core from the DTS-MA track and re-encode the LPCM to 640kbs. Possible? Thanks for your help/suggestions/advice...I'm guessing you selected ALTERNATE output? The disposition of the audio output for ALTERNATE is determined by the preset, not SETUP. The audio settings from SETUP apply only to BD backups.

[spotswood]

Not Alternate, Movie & Menus. Here's the log and .ini...

----------------------
[06/12/13] BD Rebuilder v0.44.09 (beta)
[21:53:50] Source: THE_EAGLES_-_FAREWELL_1_TOUR_-_L
- Input BD size: 42.27 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:56:55.630]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE and MENUS mode enabled
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [4-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[21:53:52] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:53:52] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 4)
- [21:53:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [22:15:38] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 295,602 frames
- Bitrate: 11,098 Kbs
- [22:15:39] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:53:46] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [05:32:34] Video Encode complete
- [05:32:34] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [05:33:33] Multiplexing M2TS
- [05:58:18] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 4)
- [05:58:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [05:59:31] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 20,202 frames
- Bitrate: 19,782 Kbs
- [05:59:31] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:06:31] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:38:20] Video Encode complete
- [06:38:20] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [06:38:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:39:59] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
- [06:39:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [06:40:08] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 2,123 frames
- Bitrate: 12,980 Kbs
- [06:40:08] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:40:52] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
- [06:43:25] Video Encode complete
- [06:43:25] Processing audio tracks
- [06:43:25] Multiplexing M2TS
- [06:43:35] Blanking: VID_00003 (4 of 4)
[06:43:35]PHASE ONE complete
[06:43:35]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [06:43:35] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[06:43:36] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
- Computer SHUTDOWN initiated.

[Status]
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SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=45381801984
TARGET_SIZE=24641536000
REDUCTION=.542946745408813
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=0
INSTANCES=4
DGDECNV=-1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=3
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00000]
AUDIO=11
PGS=
APULLDOWN=0
S1440=0
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=22700753470
RATE=11098
SPLITS=4
NSTART=27000000
NEND=470845440
NSIZE=21758392320
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00001]
AUDIO=10
PGS=
APULLDOWN=0
S1440=0
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=1815524404
RATE=19782
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NSTART=27000000
NEND=57332160
NSIZE=1764415488
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00002]
AUDIO=00
PGS=
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V2MBRATE=0
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FLINK=0
MLINK=0

[soneca]

I had this show(the best) on HD-DVD and just today bought this blu-ray. I will test!

[jdobbs]

@spotswood

I think you are using the setting backwards. You should set KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 in the INI file (this is also the default) if you want to keep the LPCM. Setting it to "0" (reread the quote you provided from me) will instruct BD-RB to encode it as AC3 (which is where the 192Kbs comes from). The reason it is 192Kbs is because it is apparently just a stereo track -- either that or you must have "192Kbs, 2ch..." selected in the SETUP dialog.

It's an incredible waste of space to reencode stereo at 640Kbs -- it takes a lot of space and gives you no quality benefit for a stereo source.

[soneca]

The disc(Eagles) is unreadable at the beginning, with visible defect in the polycarbonate layer. I'll change it. :mad:

[spotswood]

@spotswood

I think you are using the setting backwards. You should set KEEP_HD_LPCM=1 in the INI file (this is also the default) if you want to keep the LPCM. Setting it to "0" (reread the quote you provided from me) will instruct BD-RB to encode it as AC3 (which is where the 192Kbs comes from). The reason it is 192Kbs is because it is apparently just a stereo track -- either that or you must have "192Kbs, 2ch..." selected in the SETUP dialog.Setting it to "1" would keep the full LPCM track at 2304Kbps. I was using it correctly set to "0" as I was trying to reduce the size of the stereo LPCM track and extract the core DTS-MA track by unchecking Keep HD Audio, which I was able to do, although the stereo LPCM was reencoded to 192Kbs. I have "192Kbs, 2ch..." unselected in the SETUP dialog.

It's an incredible waste of space to reencode stereo at 640Kbs -- it takes a lot of space and gives you no quality benefit for a stereo source.I know you say that reencoding the stereo LPCM to 640Kbs is a waste of space, but 640Kbs would result in a much smaller file than the full 2304Kbs yes? Is there really no sound quality benefit for stereo at 640Kbs vs. 192Kbs? Just trying to reduce the amount of reencoding on the video side. Is it possible to add a setting for additional bitrate options when reencoding stereo LPCM for those (me) who would like to experiment? Thanks again for your help.

[Limobar]

I would like to have the option to add new encodes to the queue, after I have started the batch encoding.

[omegaman7]

How about loading an external subtitle for the import function/option ;)

[jdobbs]

I would like to have the option to add new encodes to the queue, after I have started the batch encoding. That's reasonable. I'll put it on the list.

[jdobbs]

How about loading an external subtitle for the import function/option ;)I was thinking about doing that... for IMPORT is should be easy enough. I'd like to add the ability for existing BDs as well, but it would only work for movie-only encodes, though - since the selection mechanism is out of my control on a full backup.

[Ch3vr0n]

That's reasonable. I'll put it on the list.

it' be awesome that you would not only be able to add new ones, but that it would actually also process the newly added ones

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... I just thought about it. Adding isn't going to be that easy -- because when it is running you have a job loaded, and you can't modify (load) anything without interrupting that job.

[Ch3vr0n]

true but perhaps you could do it this way. Insert a check after a job is complete to see if there were more jobs added on the list than there were on the start of the encode. If there are, then that's the new startpoint sort of. If there arent then continue as normal. I imagine a queue list check can't be that long inbetween encode jobs.

[RobertM]

true but perhaps you could do it this way.

I think what JDobbs means is that while a job is running you can't load up another one to pick the streams, select settings, etc. You can't do any of that stuff while a job is currently running.

[Ch3vr0n]

good point. Won't be easy to add, thats for sure

[jdobbs]

I think what JDobbs means is that while a job is running you can't load up another one to pick the streams, select settings, etc. You can't do any of that stuff while a job is currently running.Exactly.

[Ch3vr0n]

just helping thinking here but maybe you could add some sort of routine to allow importing and adding to the batch queue, but with an advance notice that settings cannot be altered and that the current configuration settings (the user has set into BDRB) will be automatically applied. So no bells, no whistles but just a simple "load & add" routine. (not trying to imply that the actual implementation of this routine will be anything BUT simple)

just my 2 cents.

[AmigaFuture]

My Strongest Desire is you port this to Mac. Even get a hold of all the Sources for the Tools and ..... Yeah, maybe..... Giggles and Smile! I'm using Mac more and more. I...will...tell you, with a few Preferences adjustments with VMWare Fusion (XP and 7) and owner of Paragon's NTFS for Mac OS X (Snow Leopard and newer), BD-RB functions very well with Lower and Higher Performance systems. Of course it does, though, since it relies on the OS. I thought you might like to know...for fun.

[Nico8583]

Hi,
When I launch BD-RB for the first time, it asks me if I want to let it configure FFDShow. What does it do ?
Thanks !

[Sharc]

Hi,
When I launch BD-RB for the first time, it asks me if I want to let it configure FFDShow. What does it do ?
Thanks !
Well it does exactly what it says: ffdshow has a lot of settings which, unless configured correctly, may cause the video decoding to fail or produce undesired results. This is especially true for VC-1 sources, for example.

[laserfan]

Well it does exactly what it says: ffdshow has a lot of settings which, unless configured correctly, may cause the video decoding to fail or produce undesired results. This is especially true for VC-1 sources, for example.
So the answer is...what? I would assume Nico8583 and anyone else running ffdshow for BD-RB should answer Yes and let BD-RB set it. Izzat right?