AVStoDVD Support Thread

[movieman99]

Mr. C,

I've tried the disc I burned in two different standalone DVD players and neither had sound (one showed, when you clicked on the "audio" button, that the audio was 5.1). There is also no sound when I try to play the burned disc on my computer.

The .mkv file plays fine with sound on my computer and when plug it (i.e. the hard drive it is on) into the USB port on my Blu Ray Player.

Any further suggestions as to why the sound is not working?

Thanks,

Movieman99

[techreactor]

@movieman99

@techreactor

got it. BTW to resume an already completed video encode, you have just to delete the log file and start again the project with the *same* settings. I will have a look at the latest ffmpeg release.



@MrC, does it mean that I can stop encoding after the Video finishes, delete the log files and with the *same* settings can then start again to move onto Audio encoding and Authoring ? and it will not re-encode the Video again ?

Mr. C,

I've tried the disc I burned in two different standalone DVD players and neither had sound (one showed, when you clicked on the "audio" button, that the audio was 5.1). There is also no sound when I try to play the burned disc on my computer.

The .mkv file plays fine with sound on my computer and when plug it (i.e. the hard drive it is on) into the USB port on my Blu Ray Player.

Any further suggestions as to why the sound is not working?

Thanks,

Movieman99

@Movieman, you have a source with DTS Audio which is compliant as per the standard. You just need to pick up your encoded Video and the extracted DTS Audio and mux it using either muxman or any Authoring tool you are familiar with.

I have noticed these issues during Audio re-encoding to AC3, sometimes it doesnt work leading to no sound even if the process completed successfully. The resampled AC3 file doesnt work.

@ MrC, this is another opportunity for adding a feature for such Audio encoding issues.

- For DTS Audio, add DTS Option under Audio, DTS Audio to be copied directly to Authoring stage - no reencoding done.

- For AC3 Audio also, if you deselect the default selection of "Keep DVD complaint Audio" , it just copies the AC3 Audio from the source to the DVD Authoring Stage.

Infact this can be done for any Audio source, if you deselect the "Keep DVD complaint Audio" under Audio options.

[Big Vern]

Mr C.

In the HCenc advanced options box, are the default settings the best?

Mine are;

AQ = 1
Lumgain = 1
Matrix = MPEG
Profile = Best
Bias = Auto
DC Prec = Auto

Is that the best quality I will get?

Regards....

[MrC]

@jandor

thanks for testing. Please keep me update if you find any issues with AviSynth 2.6.0 MT

@movieman99

what directshow decoded are you using for DTS audio? ffdshow? If you have installed Win7 be sure you are using Window 7 Preferred Filter Tweaker. As last option, try to switch from Wavi+Aften to FFmpeg as AC3 encoder. BTW, where did you get that mkv file?

@techreactor

first question: yes it does.

About DTS track retaining: AVStoDVD already retains DTS tracks that have the features to be 'DVD compliant'. One of them is the resolution, which should be lower or equal than 20 bit. movieman99's DTS track is 24 bit. See Help/How to use it/Preferences/Audio for more details.

@Big Vern

There's no best settings configuration. It depends on input source and, even more, on your personal eyes. Run some trials and make your own decision.

AVStoDVD defaults are designed to be quite good for most situations.

;)

Bye

[techreactor]

@@techreactor

first question: yes it does.

About DTS track retaining: AVStoDVD already retains DTS tracks that have the features to be 'DVD compliant'. One of them is the resolution, which should be lower or equal than 20 bit. movieman99's DTS track is 24 bit. See Help/How to use it/Preferences/Audio for more details.



5.1 channel 48 kHz/24 bit encoding with Constant bit-rates of 768 kbps or 1509 kbps is DTS DVD compliant, :confused:

[MrC]

5.1 channel 48 kHz/24 bit encoding with Constant bit-rates of 768 kbps or 1509 kbps is DTS DVD compliant, :confused:

Yep, there's an old discussion with manono here (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/321023-adding-dts-audio-stream-to-DVD-folder?p=1988136&viewfull=1#post1988136). Unfortunately mpucoder does not say anything about resolution on muxman homepage.

Many (I would say all) 24bit DTS tracks are refused by muxman. Sometimes it refuses 20bit tracks as well... hence the DTS compliance is not 100% solved.

;)

Bye

[movieman99]

@Techreactor...hi, I'm a bit of a newbie at this, so how do I pick up my encoded Video and the extracted DTS Audio and mux it using either muxman or any Authoring tool?

FYI...I'm using AVStoDVD version 2.4.2.



@ Mr. C...to answer your questions (your questions in red):

What directshow decoded are you using for DTS audio? ffdshow?

I'm not sure...ffdshow (I think) is part of or included in your program, but I have not changed any settings.


If you have installed Win7 be sure you are using Window 7 Preferred Filter Tweaker.

I am using Windows 7...I downloaded the Win 7 Preferred Tweaker but again (being a newbie), I'm not sure what settings to use or how to use it


As last option, try to switch from Wavi+Aften to FFmpeg as AC3 encoder.

I did in my third attempt...my settings in the Audio preferences tab were:

DVD Audio = AC3
DVD Bitrate = 192 kps
Keep AC3/DTS... = checked
AC3 Audio Encoder = FFmpeg
Force FFmpeg = checked
Norm audio = unchecked
Auto adjust... = checked

When I import the .mkv file to the program, the main window shows the .mkv file detail as:

AVC - 9153 kbps, 1920x1080 DAR 1.778 -23.976 (CFR) progressive
DTS - 1536 kbps 6 ch 48000 Hz 24 bit 1:45 (0ms delay) internal



BTW, where did you get that mkv file?

Got the file from a friend...not sure where he got it.

Also...I tried playing the source .mkv file again directly on my computer. Using VLC Media Player (what I normally use as my default, and what I used last time I tested it), the file worked perfectly. When I retested and used Windows Media Player to play the file, only the video played...no sound.


Does this help? What else do I need to do to make this work?

Thanks,

Movieman99

[Guest]

Got the file from a friend...not sure where he got it. Sorry, but you are violating our forum rules, specifically rule 6. You must legitimately own the material.

http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm

@all

No more help to be given on this issue.

[MrC]

Release 2.5.0 Alpha build 120506 is available to download (https://sourceforge.net/projects/avstodvd/files/avstodvd_alpha_beta/AVStoDVD%202.5.0%20Alpha%20120506/).

Change log:

- Some bugs fixed
- Added Quick StartUp Tutorial to setup main AVStoDVD preferences
- Added support to HCenc *ZONE command (to increase or lower bitrate for parts of the video)
- Added 160 kbps to DVD compliant audio bitrates list for MP2 and AC3
- Added 160 kbps as supported bitrate for MP2 and AC3 audio encoding
- Added 'Set encoding Priority' in 'Preferences'/'Misc'
- Added Preferences Paths integrity check at startup
- Added question messages (Yes/No) with automatic default reply at runtime
- Removed 'Display errors messages at runtime' option in 'Preferences'/'Misc'
- MediaInfo updated to 0.7.54

This build is for debug purpose.

Please send me comments and bug reports.

;)

[Pawpcorn]

When using .ssa subtitle files as source subtitle file, any words following a COMMA (in the text) are omitted.

The good news is that .srt subtitle files work just fine... so I'm having to convert any .ssa files to .srt files, prior to burning DVDs...

Take care!

[MrC]

@Pawpcorn

thanks for the bug report. I will fix it ASAP.

;)

Bye

[Sparktank]

Release 2.5.0 Alpha build 120506 is available to download (https://sourceforge.net/projects/avstodvd/files/avstodvd_alpha_beta/AVStoDVD%202.5.0%20Alpha%20120506/).

Change log:

- Some bugs fixed
- Added Quick StartUp Tutorial to setup main AVStoDVD preferences
- Added support to HCenc *ZONE command (to increase or lower bitrate for parts of the video)
- Added 160 kbps to DVD compliant audio bitrates list for MP2 and AC3
- Added 160 kbps as supported bitrate for MP2 and AC3 audio encoding
- Added 'Set encoding Priority' in 'Preferences'/'Misc'
- Added Preferences Paths integrity check at startup
- Added question messages (Yes/No) with automatic default reply at runtime
- Removed 'Display errors messages at runtime' option in 'Preferences'/'Misc'
- MediaInfo updated to 0.7.54

This build is for debug purpose.

Please send me comments and bug reports.

;)

Oooooooooooooh, Zone! Going to try that :D
Thanks, looking forward to testing this out!

[Pawpcorn]

Thank you for a WONDERFUL DVD Authoring tool! I use it daily, to build DVDs for my Thai English students; a new movie, every week!

Question: is there SOME way to preset the "Sub-Picture Color Lookup Table" ??

Right now, after creating a DVD image with AVStoDVD (using a idx/sub subtitle file), Colors 1 and 3 are set to RED and BLUE, resulting in unreadable subtitles:
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Pawpcorn/colored%20sub-idx%20subtitles/vlcsnap-2012-05-07-23h05m28s75.jpg

I know now, that I can go back, after the fact, with PgcEdit, and set the red (Character) to be a near-white, and set the blue (outline) to be black, but it would be so nice to not have to fix the output files, and have to make the .iso file afterwards....

Here's the log file from a short test I ran, to create the problem video subtitles: Thanks again for this KILLER AP!!!
<5/7/2012 10:59:03 PM>
START PROCESS
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<5/7/2012 10:59:03 PM>
PROJECT SETTINGS

DVD Video Standard: PAL
DVD Titles number: 1
DVD Size: 194/4450 MB (4%)
DVD Output Setup: ISO UDF Image
DVD Label: DVD
DVD Menu: No Menu
Output Folder: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos
Delete Temp Process Files: Yes
Delete Working Files: Yes
Edit Command Parameters: No
Post Process Task: Show Progress Status window

PREFERENCES

MultiThread: 1
AVS Source Filter: A2DSource
AVS UpSize/DownSize Filter: Lanczos4Resize/Spline64Resize
PAL SpeedUp: 0
Video Resolution: 0
Video BitRate Min: 1400
Video BitRate Level 1: 6500
Video Profile Level 2: 4500
Video BitRate Max: 8500
Keep DVD Compliant Video: 1
AC3 Audio Encoder: 0
Force FFmpeg for Long Audio: 1
DVD Audio Format: 0
DVD Audio BitRate: 128
Keep DVD Compliant Audio: 1
Normalize Audio: 0
Auto Delay Audio: 1
DVD Audio Language (Primary): EN - English
DVD Audio Language (Secondary): EN - English
DVD Subs Language (Primary): EN - English
DVD Subs Language (Secondary): TH - Thai
DVD Subs Font: Arial 26pt (255,255,255)
Chapters Interval: 5
Use Source Chapters: 1
DVD Burning Drive: E: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C SB07
DVD Burning Speed: 4x
Auto Erase DVD RW: 1
Save Log file: 1
Unload ActiveMovie library: 0
Adjust ffdshow mixer: 1
Save General Settings: 0
<>

<5/7/2012 10:59:03 PM>
TITLE 1 SOURCE FILES
Video: V:\_Thai Subtiles\Morning Glory\test.avi
Info: XviD - 3295 kbps - 720x576 - DAR 1.778 - 23.976 fps (CFR) - Progressive - 3:07 minutes - 4500 frames
Audio 1: V:\_Thai Subtiles\Morning Glory\test.avi
Info: MPEG-1 Audio layer 3 - 128 kbps - CBR - 2 ch - 48000 Hz - 3:07 minutes (0 ms delay) - Internal
Subs 1: V:\_Thai Subtiles\Morning Glory\original thai subs\Sub_Morning Glory_exp.idx
[MediaInfoLib - v0.7.54]
<>

<5/7/2012 10:59:03 PM>
AVISYNTH SCRIPT
Import("C:\Program Files\AVStoDVD2.50Alpha\Lib\A2DSource.avsi")

Video = A2DVideoSource("V:\_Thai Subtiles\Morning Glory\test.avi", CacheFolder="C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp", FrameRate=23.976, VFR=false)
Audio = A2DAudioSource("V:\_Thai Subtiles\Morning Glory\test.avi", CacheFolder="C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp")

Video = Video.ConvertToYV12
#Using DGPulldown/HCenc to upsize FPS

AudioDub(Video, Audio)
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<5/7/2012 10:59:03 PM>
START VIDEO ENCODING OPERATIONS
Encoding Profile: QuEnc CBR 1-pass
Target Video FileSize: 190.5 MB
QuEnc Parameters: -i "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_26_test_1.avs" -o "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test.m2v" -b 8500 -1 -hq -novbr -scene -trell -aspectratio 16:9 -nointerlaced -mpeg2mux noaudio -dc 10 -priority 5 -auto -close
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<5/7/2012 10:59:52 PM>
END VIDEO ENCODING OPERATIONS
A2DVideoSource: AVISource
Created File: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test.m2v (190.1 MB)
OUTPUT VIDEO INFO: MPEG-2 Video - 8925 kbps - 720x576 - DAR 1.778 - 23.976 fps (CFR) - Progressive - 3:07 minutes - 4496 frames
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<5/7/2012 10:59:52 PM>
START PULLDOWN OPERATIONS
DGPulldown Parameters: "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test.m2v" -srcfps 23.976 -destfps 25 -inplace -tff
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<5/7/2012 10:59:55 PM>
END PULLDOWN OPERATIONS
DGPulldown executed on File: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test.m2v (190.1 MB)
OUTPUT VIDEO INFO: MPEG-2 Video - 8925 kbps - 720x576 - DAR 1.778 - 24 fps (CFR) - Progressive (2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:3 Pulldown) - 3:07 minutes - 4504 frames
<>

<5/7/2012 10:59:55 PM>
START AUDIO ENCODING OPERATIONS (Track 1)
Wavi+Aften Parameters: "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_26_test_1.avs" - | "C:\Program Files\AVStoDVD2.50Alpha\Aften\aften.exe" -b 128 -pad 0 -dynrng 5 -bwfilter 0 - "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test_1.ac3"
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<5/7/2012 10:59:58 PM>
END AUDIO ENCODING OPERATIONS (Track 1)
A2DAudioSource: DirectShowSource
Created File: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test_1.ac3 (2.9 MB)
OUTPUT AUDIO INFO: AC3 - 128 kbps - CBR - 2 ch - 48000 Hz - 16 bit - 3:07 minutes (0 ms delay)
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<5/7/2012 10:59:58 PM>
START SUBS ENCODING OPERATIONS (Track 1)
VSConv Parameters: -f sup -i "V:\_Thai Subtiles\Morning Glory\original thai subs\Sub_Morning Glory_exp.idx" -o "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test_1" -id 0
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<5/7/2012 10:59:59 PM>
END SUBS ENCODING OPERATIONS (Track 1)
Created File: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test_1.sup (3.24 MB)
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<5/7/2012 10:59:59 PM>
START DVD AUTHORING OPERATIONS
BatchMux Parameters: -arglist "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_26_BatchMux.ini"
BatchMux ini file:
-d "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26\VIDEO_TS"
-mxp "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_26_MuxMan.mxp"
-l "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_26_MuxMan.log"
-muxman "C:\Program Files\AVStoDVD2.50Alpha\MuxMan"
-prio LOW
-palette "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_26_Palette.txt"
-v "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test.m2v"
-vidmode LB
-a1 "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test_1.ac3"
-a1lang en
-s1 "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26_test_1.sup"
-s1lang en
-s1ext 1

<>

<5/7/2012 11:00:02 PM>
CHECK DVD SIZE
DVD Folder (actual) Size: 196.4 MB
vs Estimated Size: 194 MB -> 1.2% oversize
vs Assets Size: 196.2 MB -> OK
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<5/7/2012 11:00:02 PM>
END DVD AUTHORING OPERATIONS
Created Folder: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26 (196.4 MB)
<>

<5/7/2012 11:00:02 PM>
START ISO IMAGE BUILDING OPERATIONS
ImgBurn (ISO) Parameters: /mode isobuild /buildmode imagefile /src "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26\VIDEO_TS" /dest "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26.iso" /volumelabel "DVD" /overwrite yes /noimagedetails /start /close
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<5/7/2012 11:00:33 PM>
END ISO IMAGE BUILDING OPERATIONS
Created File: C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_26.iso (197 MB)
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<5/7/2012 11:00:33 PM>
Log file created by AVStoDVD Release 2.5.0 Alpha build 120506
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[MrC]

@Pawpcorn

the subtitles color setup in Muxman (free edition) has been always quite tricky. See here (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/335583-Muxman-changes-color-of-SUP?p=2085422&viewfull=1) for more info about.

Because of that AVStoDVD tries to overwrite the original subtitles color settings, using the _palette.txt file (stored in temporary files folder). The foreground color is defined in 'Preferences'/'AuthoringBurning' page.

;)

Bye

[Pawpcorn]

Thank you, Mr.C, for your speedy reply!

I'm researching what you gave me...
I DO see the nice "_palette.txt" file, with the proper contents of:
Color 0=0, 0, 255
Color 1=255, 0, 0
Color 2=0, 0, 0
Color 3=255, 255, 255
Color 4=0, 255, 0
Color 5=255, 0, 255
Color 6=255, 255, 0
Color 7=0, 125, 125
Color 8=125, 125, 125
Color 9=225, 225, 225
Color 10=125, 0, 0
Color 11=0, 125, 0
Color 12=0, 0, 125
Color 13=222, 0, 255
Color 14=222, 125, 0
Color 15=125, 0, 125

and the batch file for MuxMan is as follows... {just in case you spot anything :) }
-d "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_28\VIDEO_TS"
-mxp "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_28_MuxMan.mxp"
-l "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_28_MuxMan.log"
-muxman "C:\Program Files\AVStoDVD2.50Alpha\MuxMan"
-prio LOW
-palette "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_28_Palette.txt"
-v "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_28_test.m2v"
-vidmode LB
-a1 "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_28_test_1.ac3"
-a1lang en
-s1 "C:\Users\Gerald\Videos\DVD_28_test_1.sup"
-s1lang en
-s1ext 1
And yet... looking at the resultant Sub-Picture Color Lookup Table, Using PgcEdit (see link at Photo Bucket)
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Pawpcorn/PGCEditor.png
You can see color 0 is set to Blue, and color 1 is set to Red, thus red characters with a blue outline.

I haven't started researching your link about MuxMan yet... but I wanted to thank you, and give you this additional feedback, in case it is helpful to you, if you have the opportunity to look into this problem.

I'd be happy to send you (not sure how!) the short test video and the idx/sub sub files used for this latest test.

Thanks again,
Pawpcorn :D
P.S. The "foreground color is defined in 'Preferences'/'AuthoringBurning' page" that you mentioned, appears to be used for .srt subtitles, and is not in play, when using .idx/.sub VOB subtitles.

[MrC]

@Pawpcorn

have a look to the link I have posted. It contains useful hints to learn when dealing with idx to sup conversion (using SubtitlesCreator) and authoring with Muxman.

If you want you can send me (avstodvd@gmail.com) the idx/sub files so that we can both run same tests.

;)

Bye

[Sjakko]

Is it possible that the Output size estimation isn't working properly? It's quite far off. A piece of the log:

CHECK DVD SIZE
DVD Folder (actual) Size: 4443,8 MB
vs Estimated Size: 4848 MB -> 8,3% undersize
vs Assets Size: 4292 MB -> OK

Input files are all DVD compliant and are put on without encoding (Direct Stream Copy for both video and audio).

Tooltip says: DVD Menu/Titles/Extra size: 0/4566/282 MB.

Tried it with v2.4.2 and with v2.5.0Alpha, both have the same problem.

Log attached.

[MrC]

You are right. Estimation routine can be improved, mainly with DVD compliant inputs. Next alpha will have some fixes.

;)

Bye

[Sjakko]

Thanks a lot! Thanks for the 160kbps audio support too.

[techreactor]

@Techreactor...hi, I'm a bit of a newbie at this, so how do I pick up my encoded Video and the extracted DTS Audio and mux it using either muxman or any Authoring tool?


Select Output as Elementary MPEG2 stream and deselect "delete AVS2DVD temporary files" once finished you can pick up the Video/Audio from there and mux using IFOedit.

[Pawpcorn]

Dear Mr. C;

Sorry for the delay in followup!!! I've been very busy in my "day job" (hahaha Teaching Thai Students in "Summer Session")

AHH!!! I figured out the problem with the red and blue VOB subtitles!!

The color values in the AVStoDVD "_palette.txt" (MuxMan batch -palette settings file) actually produce the Red characters with Blue outline!

However, if you change (the contents of the file to) the following values... the result is White characters with a black outline:
Color 0=0, 0, 0
Color 1=240, 240, 240
Color 2=0, 0, 0
Color 3=255, 255, 255
Color 4=1, 254, 0
Color 5=255, 0, 254
Color 6=255, 255, 0
Color 7=1, 124, 124
Color 8=125, 125, 125
Color 9=225, 225, 225
Color 10=123, 0, 1
Color 11=0, 124, 0
Color 12=1, 0, 123
Color 13=222, 1, 253
Color 14=221, 125, 0
Color 15=125, 0, 124

Note: (besides the format of TAB -TAB prior to data) that I chose 240, instead of 255 for the white characters, on the advice of another member here... as perhaps slightly more pleasing to the eye than 100% white.
=============================================
If you're interested in how I arrived at this solution, this was the deductive process:

I read the link you provided regarding MuxMan. Very Interesting! Thanks!

I looked in the MuxMan folder in the AVStoDVD folder group, at the documentation file: BatchMux Usage.txt

Within the documentation was the description of usage for the -palette file, as follows:
===========================================
// -palette palette_file, optional; PgcEdit compatible ascii file containing
// 16 colour entries (index, red, green, blue) adopted for redefining the
// default color palette used by MuxMan
============================================
Which, upon seeing the reference to PgcEdit, made me think...

I had previously used PgcEdit to fix an earlier DVD's VOB subtitles (to change Red and Blue to White and Black), made with AVStoDVD... so...

I opened that corrected DVD into PgcEdit, and went into the PgcEditor... confirming that the colors were White Character, and Black Outline.

Then I "Export"ed the correct Sub-Picture Color Lookup Table, in ASCII format. The resultant file was called "vts01_ttn01.txt"

Then I tried "Import"ing the "DVD_39_Palette.txt" file, which AVStoDVD had created, in earlier tests. To my surprise, the color palette switched to Red Characters and Blue Outline!
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Pawpcorn/AVStoDVDPalatteresults.jpg

Then I imported the "vts01_ttn01.txt" palette file I'd just created, above. The color palette switched back to the proper colors:
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Pawpcorn/CorrectSub-pictureColorLookupTable.jpg

I went back and forth a few times to confirm and double-check! (because, frankly, your numbers HAD looked good to me too!! hahahaha)

So... Anyway, clear results.

Then, as a workaround, for the time being, when I am processing a DVD with AVStoDVD, I set the "Edit Encoder Command Parameters at Runtime" as checked, and when the MuxMan batch parameters appear, I substitute in the "vts01_ttn01.txt" file, in place of the "DVD_nn_Palette.txt" file in the "-palette "C:\Users\Gerald\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_nn_Palette.txt" portion of the MuxMan batch file, and tell it to proceed, with perfect results.

As you suggested, I emailed you the two files mentioned above, to possibly assist you in your further development.
(Check your junk mail, if you don't see it... I included a hyperlink to this message, which might make it look like junk mail)

And THANK YOU again, for your wonderful creation!!!! I use it EVERY day(!!!!) in creating learning DVD movies (English soundtrack, Thai and English subtitles) to help my Thai students learn English rather effortlessly.

Without your creation, this wouldn't be possible!!! Kudos!!! :thanks:
Take care,
Pawpcorn
==========================================

Thank you, Mr.C, for your speedy reply!

I'm researching what you gave me...
I DO see the nice "_palette.txt" file, with the proper contents of:


and the batch file for MuxMan is as follows... {just in case you spot anything :) }

And yet... looking at the resultant Sub-Picture Color Lookup Table, Using PgcEdit (see link at Photo Bucket)
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Pawpcorn/PGCEditor.png
You can see color 0 is set to Blue, and color 1 is set to Red, thus red characters with a blue outline.

I haven't started researching your link about MuxMan yet... but I wanted to thank you, and give you this additional feedback, in case it is helpful to you, if you have the opportunity to look into this problem.

I'd be happy to send you (not sure how!) the short test video and the idx/sub sub files used for this latest test.

Thanks again,
Pawpcorn :D
P.S. The "foreground color is defined in 'Preferences'/'AuthoringBurning' page" that you mentioned, appears to be used for .srt subtitles, and is not in play, when using .idx/.sub VOB subtitles.

[MrC]

Hi Pawpcorn,

probably you have not read so carefully the links I've posted before ;-)

The issue with subtitles taken from DVD (idx/sub) is not so easy to solve. Those idx/sub subtitles come with their own palette map (colors and index) and this palette map can vary from DVD to DVD (hence from idx/sub to idx/sub). That's why sometimes you will get a final DVD with black/white subtitles (original idx/sub are compliant with the palette.txt generated by AVStoDVD) and sometimes you will get blue/red (or purple/green, or whatelse) subtitles.

That's why it is usually recommended to open the "subs messed up" DVD with PgcEdit and correct only the wrong colors (foreground and outline). But they can be in every position in the PgcEdit colors lookup table. Unfortunately there's no general rule for idx/sub palette maps, or at least none that I have already discovered. Obviously I am open to suggestions how to improve this aspect.

The standard palette.txt used by AVStoDVD is designed for srt to sup conversion using SubtitleCreator. And for idx/sub subtitles taken from DVD created by AVStoDVD (starting from srt). But not for idx/sub taken from unpredictable sources, including commercial DVDs.

I hope to have better clarified the issue.

;)

Bye

[Pawpcorn]

Hi, MrC! Thanks for writing back!

You wrote: "But they [wrong subtitle colors] can be in every position in the PgcEdit colors lookup table." OMG!

So you are saying that when loading various future DVD project results into PgcEdit, and looking at the Sub-Picture Color Lookup Table, that Color 0 won't always refer to the outline, and Color 1 won't always refer to the character color, as has been the case, so far, in my projects?

And thus... the palette file I created may or may not work, in the future? (it HAS worked reliably on a couple projects, so far... but I've only tried it twice so far :))

When I load the standard AVStoDVD palette file into PgcEdit... I see
Color 0 is 100% saturated BLUE, and
Color 1 is 100% saturated RED,
Color 2 is 0% lum Black, and
Color 3 is 100% lum WHITE.

I would surmise then, that since you said the AVStoDVD palette design is based upon "srt to sup conversion using SubtitleCreator", and since ONLY blocks 2 and 3 are black and white blocks, that in your test DVD projects, color 3 is assigned as the character color, and color 2 is assigned as the outline?

In my projects so far, Color 0 has been outline, and Color 1 has been character color; but I know you pointed out that it's your understanding that this is not always the assignment, eh?

By the way, I want to mention that in addition to the idx/sub subtitles, I ALSO always include a second subtitle, an .srt subtitle, into every project... and these always come out white with black outline, no problem.

One additional possible point of interest, may be that I am not ripping the VOB idx/sub Subtitles off of DVDs, but rather using external idx/sub files that were extracted from BlueRay DVDs that I then run through the BDSup2Sub401.jar VOB subtitles program, to convert them to PAL DVD size, and also to move the subtitle positioning into a uniform consistent position... So... if the BDSup2Sub401.jar program alters the idx/sub color information in some ways... I may be introducing some degree of consistency into the data contents of the .idx/sub subtitles of my DVD projects, through this filtering process...

Maybe in my projects, Color 0 will always be for outline, and Color 1 will always be for character color...?!

Gads, confusing stuff, to be sure...

Thanks for your patience,
Pawpcorn

Maybe I'll be lucky... and my little vts01_ttn01.txt palette batch file will work every time, hahhaha....

Thanks again, Mr.C
Pawpcorn :rolleyes:

Hi Pawpcorn,

probably you have not read so carefully the links I've posted before ;-)

The issue with subtitles taken from DVD (idx/sub) is not so easy to solve. Those idx/sub subtitles come with their own palette map (colors and index) and this palette map can vary from DVD to DVD (hence from idx/sub to idx/sub). That's why sometimes you will get a final DVD with black/white subtitles (original idx/sub are compliant with the palette.txt generated by AVStoDVD) and sometimes you will get blue/red (or purple/green, or whatelse) subtitles.

That's why it is usually recommended to open the "subs messed up" DVD with PgcEdit and correct only the wrong colors (foreground and outline). But they can be in every position in the PgcEdit colors lookup table. Unfortunately there's no general rule for idx/sub palette maps, or at least none that I have already discovered. Obviously I am open to suggestions how to improve this aspect.

The standard palette.txt used by AVStoDVD . And for idx/sub subtitles taken from DVD created by AVStoDVD (starting from srt). But not for idx/sub taken from unpredictable sources, including commercial DVDs.

I hope to have better clarified the issue.

;)

Bye

[MrC]

You wrote: "But they [wrong subtitle colors] can be in every position in the PgcEdit colors lookup table." OMG!

So you are saying that when loading various future DVD project results into PgcEdit, and looking at the Sub-Picture Color Lookup Table, that Color 0 won't always refer to the outline, and Color 1 won't always refer to the character color, as has been the case, so far, in my projects?

Exactly. PgcEdit will be your friend in that cases.

And thus... the palette file I created may or may not work, in the future? (it HAS worked reliably on a couple projects, so far... but I've only tried it twice so far :))

Let's say that if your idx/sub files are coming from "consistent" sources, your custom palette.txt file will work for them.

When I load the standard AVStoDVD palette file into PgcEdit... I see
Color 0 is 100% saturated BLUE, and
Color 1 is 100% saturated RED,
Color 2 is 0% lum Black, and
Color 3 is 100% lum WHITE.

I would surmise then, that since you said the AVStoDVD palette design is based upon "srt to sup conversion using SubtitleCreator", and since ONLY blocks 2 and 3 are black and white blocks, that in your test DVD projects, color 3 is assigned as the character color, and color 2 is assigned as the outline?

That is the color map configuration that SubtitleCreator gives to the output sup file.

Willing to make a quick test?

1. Create a (smallest as possible) DVD (#1) with srt subtitles using AVStoDVD
2. Extract the m2v, ac3, idx/sub files
3. Add this assets to AVStoDVD to create the same DVD (#2)
4. Use standatd AVStoDVD palette. DVD #2 subtitles will have same colors as DVD #1
5. Use your custom palette.txt. What colors do you get in DVD #2?

;)

Bye

[Pawpcorn]

Ok, I get your point and I understand the purpose of your test idea...

Since your test design focused only on subtitles sourced as .srt files...

I thought of an alternative test, to test color assignments of BOTH .srt subtitles and sourced VOB (idx.sub) subtitles, by doing the following:

I took a completed DVD (created by AVSDVD) that contained TWO subtitles:
Subtitle 1 had been sourced as .srt
Subtitle 2 had been sourced as .idx/sub
I edited this DVD, using PgcEdit
I assigned: (for the purpose of later identification during viewing)
Color 0 orange
Color 1 dark green
Color 2 purple
Color 3 cyan

Then I viewed the resultant DVD.

What I saw was...

The subtitles that had been sourced as .srt were cyan character, purple outline, thus:
.srt sourced subtitles are using
Color 3 for the character color assignment
Color 2 for the outline color assignment
(Which is what I had theorized in an earlier message)
(and thus my custom file would have worked fine, since I never touched colors 2 and 3; they remained black and white, as in your -palette batch file)

The subtitles that had been sourced as .idx/sub were dark green character, orange outline, thus:
.idx/sub sourced subtitles are using:
Color 1 for the character color assignment
Color 0 for the outline color assignment

As somewhat of an afterthought... if AVStoDVD could be changed to process idx/sub subtitles to be consistent to .srt subtitles (using just colors 2 & 3)... then the default -palette table would work for both source-types of subtitles, and... issue retired (perhaps)

Thanks for your info, and ideas for the test! :thanks:
Take care,
Pawpcorn

Exactly. PgcEdit will be your friend in that cases.



Let's say that if your idx/sub files are coming from "consistent" sources, your custom palette.txt file will work for them.



That is the color map configuration that SubtitleCreator gives to the output sup file.

Willing to make a quick test?

1. Create a (smallest as possible) DVD (#1) with srt subtitles using AVStoDVD
2. Extract the m2v, ac3, idx/sub files
3. Add this assets to AVStoDVD to create the same DVD (#2)
4. Use standatd AVStoDVD palette. DVD #2 subtitles will have same colors as DVD #1
5. Use your custom palette.txt. What colors do you get in DVD #2?

;)

Bye

[MrC]

As somewhat of an afterthought... if AVStoDVD could be changed to process idx/sub subtitles to be consistent to .srt subtitles (using just colors 2 & 3)... then the default -palette table would work for both source-types of subtitles, and... issue retired (perhaps)

It would work for some idx/sub but not for all. I cannot predict what is the idx/sub colors map (type and sequence).

In other words, the process to ajust colors for idx/sub can be implemented only if there is any method to parse the idx/sub colors map. I did not find that method yet.

;)

Bye

[Pawpcorn]

It would work for some idx/sub but not for all. I cannot predict what is the idx/sub colors map (type and sequence).

In other words, the process to ajust colors for idx/sub can be implemented only if there is any method to parse the idx/sub colors map. I did not find that method yet.

;)

Bye

Gotcha there... I understand.

Is there any place in the AVStoDVD folder or file structure where I could place a replacement -palette file?

Or alter the color 0 and color 1 -palette data that you use to build the -palette batch file?

Then I wouldn't have to use the "Edit Encoder Command Parameters at runtime" option every time, to manually replace the -palette batch file every time I process a DVD.

(not a biggie)

Thanks,
Bye

[MrC]

The _palette.txt file is created at runtime in the Temporary File Folder ('Preferences'/'Path'). Color 3 is customized according to the subtitles color set up in 'Preferences'/'Authoring'.

'Edit Encoder Command Parameters at runtime' option is the best solution so far.

;)

Bye

[Pawpcorn]

The _palette.txt file is created at runtime in the Temporary File Folder ('Preferences'/'Path'). Color 3 is customized according to the subtitles color set up in 'Preferences'/'Authoring'.

'Edit Encoder Command Parameters at runtime' option is the best solution so far.

;)

Bye
OK, thanks for your time and effort in working with me on this... It's been illuminating, to say the least.

Take care Mr. C...
Pawpcorn ;)

[Pawpcorn]

Dear Mr.C,

Remember how you pointed out to me in an earlier message how various VOB subtitles could have different color block assignments... and that there was no set pattern to that?

Well, I had that very thing happen, in this last project.
Subtitle #1 (processed .srt) used COLOR 2 for OUTLINE, COLOR 3 for CHARACTER (as always).. BUT...
Subtitle #2 (VOB sub/idx) used COLOR 0 for OUTLINE, COLOR 2 for CHARACTER !!!

Thus the black OUTLINE of the .srt subtitles created a black CHARACTER on the VOB subtitles! :confused:

Natch, PgcEdit couldn't fix this problem, since it was an issue of cross-assignment of the same color block, for different purposes.

I submitted a query here in the doom9 subtitle forum, and got back the advice of downloading and trying SubtitleCreator to reassign the VOB color block assignments.

I was skeptical that SC would actually DO that, thinking that it probably just would set colors, same as PgcEdit... but to my pleasant surprise, it actually worked!!!

After some experimentation, trial and error, I figured out how to make it work, and decided I could just use the same settings for the VOB subtitles as you use for the .srt subtitles; so I assigned Color Block 2 as Outline, and Color Block 3 as Character.

Now... NO NEED for changing anything within AVStoDVD; neither setting the 'Edit Encoder Command Parameters at runtime' option, nor adding a substitute color palette file! Everything running in default mode, which is nice.

Just in case you (or other users) may wish to try this...
The steps for changing the color block assignment in SubtitleCreator are as follows:
1) load the VOB subtitle file
2) click on the top subtitle, to select it.
3) on the right hand side menu, click the down arrow to change "Edit This" to "Edit All"
4) Under "Set Colors" Select Background to 00, Text to 03, Outline to 02, and Anti-Alias to 00. This matches the color assignment of AVStoDVD.
5) Click the "Set Subtitles Colors and Position" button.
6) Click on the first subtitle again.
7) On the keyboard, continue to press the down arrow key, which will select (and change) the next subtitle, changing the color assignment there, too.
8) Continue to press the down arrow key, until you've changed every single subtitle. If you just HOLD DOWN the arrow key, this works too, but sometimes it will skip a subtitle, so you must watch for that, and go back and select that subtitle too...
9) Disregard that the subtitles appear to be gray with gray outline; it just so happens that SubtitleCreator has those colors showing as Colors 02 and 03, but after processing with AVStoDVD, they will be Black and White, as set by the AVStoDVD Palette file.
10) Click File, Save VOBSub as... new filename.

Thanks again for your earlier help with this issue of mixed subtitles / sourced idx/sub subtitles, and, of course, thanks again for your terrific program! ;)

Take care,
Pawpcorn

[John1999]

To Mr. C.

Great forum here. I am a newbie and having problems with the program.

I have an MKV file when I burn dvd with AVStoDVD 2.4.2, picture is perfect, but no sound.

I normally play my files in Windows media player but I couldn't get sound to work. I did some reading on line and saw lots of people like vlc media player. I tried and sound works. Then I tried to make dvd.

From what I've been reading it may be a problem with audio in MKV file but I'm not sure how to fix it. Do I have to fix MKV before burning with AVStoDVD or will some settings in your program automatically correct the audio in the burning process?

[MrC]

@John1999

it sounds like you do not have the proper audio directshow codec installed. Have you tried with ffdshow?

Post here the AVStoDVD project log file.

;)

Bye

[rippn]

I'm having an issue where the program is aborting at the dvd authoring step, and it appears to have something to do with the menu creation. I've tried 2.4.2 and the latest beta 2.5.0. I've tried converting different xvids and still the same result. Uninstalled and reinstalled the program to reset setting and everything, any help on this would be appreciated.

This is the error from the log:

<6/19/2012 10:21:51 AM>
ERROR DURING OPERATIONS ('DVD Authoring operations' Section): 0 -
<>

<6/19/2012 10:21:51 AM>
PROCESS ABORTED.
<>

Update: Went back to 2.3.4 and had no issue, going to try 2.4.1 next.
Update 2: Yep all versions 2.4.0 and up do not finish the project while 2.3.4 has no problem, maybe the removal of QuEnc is the cause?

[MrC]

Could you please post the complete log file of an aborted project?

What do you mean by "removal of QuEnc"?

;)

Bye

[rippn]

Could you please post the complete log file of an aborted project?

What do you mean by "removal of QuEnc"?

;)

Bye

Already deleted them and finished my projects with 2.3.4, so I apologize I don't have a log to post. What I mean by the removal of QuEnc is during the authoring stage on 2.3.4 a QuEnc window appears, this window doesn't appear in the newer versions.

If a log will help, I will install a newer version and do another project. Let me know.

[MrC]

QuEnc is launched, before DVD authoring step, to create the motion DVD menu, if that option is selected. Otherwise QuEnc is not called. No differences between 2.3.4 and 2.4.x releases about that.

Probably with the newer releases (I don't know why, the log could help more), there are some issues when creating DVD menu thumbnails or background images (bmp), just before starting to create the motion DVD meu (m2v) with QuEnc.

Do you get same error using static DVD menu?

;)

Bye

[8ternity]

Hi Mrc,

I say the update on my email from videohelp (translation ini files).

Did you had someone to translate in french the ini files?

Because if you doesnt had someone, i can translate it. It has a lot of translations to do.

But i had no times for the moment. Im in productions of two website and videos editing for an company. So im busy for around 1 month and a half. It you doesnt had someone in that time, i will can help you.

Let me know...

[MrC]

@8ternity

a French translation would be great! Thanks a lot. The localization ini files writing is still ongoing, forms are completed but messages still not. BTW if you may start to have a look, it would be really very appreciated, as for the graphical contribution you have already given. ;)

Since you have already disclosed... AVStoDVD release 2.5.0 Alpha 120621 is available to download (http://sourceforge.net/projects/avstodvd/files/avstodvd_alpha_beta/AVStoDVD%202.5.0%20Alpha%20120621/)

Change log from 2.4.2:

- Some bugs fixed
- Added Quick StartUp Tutorial to setup main AVStoDVD preferences
- Added possibility to customize GUI language. Support to create translation ini files is welcome!
- Added support to HCenc *ZONE command (to increase or lower bitrate for parts of the video)
- Added 160 kbps as supported bitrate for MP2 and AC3 audio encoding
- Added 160 kbps to DVD compliant audio bitrates list for MP2 and AC3
- Added 'Set encoding Priority' in 'Preferences'/'Misc'
- Added Preferences Paths integrity check at startup
- Added question messages (Yes/No) with automatic default reply at runtime
- Removed 'Display errors messages at runtime' option in 'Preferences'/'Misc'
- Replaced 'Keep DVD Compliant Video/Audio' with 'Video/Audio Direct Stream Copy' in 'Edit Title'
- FFmpeg updated to N-35509
- MediaInfo updated to 0.7.57

;)

Bye

[8ternity]

Did you setup the last recommendations i've give you last time in your to do list?

"Put in minimize all batch processes"?

[8ternity]

@8ternity

BTW if you may start to have a look, it would be really very appreciated, as for the graphical contribution you have already given. ;)



Yes i've take a look. It's not complicated of what i've seen from now. Im not perfect in French, but translate is the most job and we can't fix error or corrections latest on bugs or suggestions submited by other users.

I've translate an b2c auto parts store software and WinISO software in french in 2011-2012.


For now, i need to finished my current customers because it's the seasons and they need to get refresh as soon as possible for making sales.

Is that possible to add ourself on msn messenger? (in pm(exchange)).

[8ternity]

Sorry Mrc,

Also, did it possible to display the French language translation when i copy the French.lang file into the language folder, i had no preview of hit? Maybe i can preview current translation of parts translated.

Thanks.

[MrC]

Did you setup the last recommendations i've give you last time in your to do list?

"Put in minimize all batch processes"?

Still in the ToDo list. Unfortunately I haven't found yet how to force some of the apps (like QuEnc) which does not accept other status than Normal window.

For now, i need to finished my current customers because it's the seasons and they need to get refresh as soon as possible for making sales.

Is that possible to add ourself on msn messenger? (in pm(exchange)).

Take your time, no hurry, translation for AVStoDVD must have a low priority. Use your very last free time!

I do not use msn or other messenger apps. No FB page. Just the old Gmail email account (avstodvd@gmail.com). I know, in the days of social networks, I am a sort of vampire...

Also, did it possible to display the French language translation when i copy the French.lang file into the language folder, i had no preview of hit? Maybe i can preview current translation of parts translated.

Just copy the new .lang.ini file into the folder and start AVStoDVD 2.5.0 alpha. The new language will appear in the top menu ('View'/'Select Language'). You can even translate just few elements, the not found elements will be replaced with the English equivalents.

;)

Bye

[rippn]

QuEnc is launched, before DVD authoring step, to create the motion DVD menu, if that option is selected. Otherwise QuEnc is not called. No differences between 2.3.4 and 2.4.x releases about that.

Probably with the newer releases (I don't know why, the log could help more), there are some issues when creating DVD menu thumbnails or background images (bmp), just before starting to create the motion DVD meu (m2v) with QuEnc.

Do you get same error using static DVD menu?

;)

Bye

I was definitely doing motion menu's, and did not attempt a static menu as that isn't what I wanted. Sorry been super busy, I will run through a motion menu on the latest release and post a log, and also attempt the same with a static menu and report back.

[8ternity]

Hi Mrc,

I had issue with AVStoDVD 2.4.2 RC latest;

Error 383
'Text' property is read-only

Location:
Form: <frmEdit>
Sub:*<Load_Title>
Section: <audio>

More: Big Miracle my project.

P.S. [EDIT] i had test with another movies, does the same error.

[8ternity]

Hi Mrc,

I had issue with AVStoDVD 2.4.2 RC latest;

Error 383
'Text' property is read-only

Location:
Form: <frmEdit>
Sub:*<Load_Title>
Section: <audio>

More: Big Miracle my project.

P.S. [EDIT] i had test with another movies, does the same error.

For Now..... resolved!

- Uninstalled AVStoDVD;
- Re-Install (installer version) 2.5.0 Alpha.

Will add more titles in queue and submit if issues again.

[8ternity]

Hi Mrc,

I've got no error on 8 movies yesturday, but i had the error has my last post "error 383".

Did you had an idea what cause this error?

Movie Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

[MrC]

It was related to some mismatching values stored in Win Registry. It should have been solved in 2.5.0. If not, let me know

Thanks for the report

;)

Bye

[Flux]

From some reason AC3 5.1 audio doesn't want to go stereo, if I set channels mode to 2.0

It used to work fine with some earlier versions. I noticed this when sound quality was horrible because I set 192 kbps for stereo, but end result was still 5.1

There is some way to control hard encoded subtitles font? Those subtitles look really fat with default font when the player does the horizontal stretch for anamorphic video. I have to manually put textsub before resize from the avisynth script and they don't look fat anymore, but it adds some blur.

[MrC]

From some reason AC3 5.1 audio doesn't want to go stereo, if I set channels mode to 2.0

It used to work fine with some earlier versions. I noticed this when sound quality was horrible because I set 192 kbps for stereo, but end result was still 5.1

See Help/FAQ/Audio/Q4.1

There is some way to control hard encoded subtitles font? Those subtitles look really fat with default font when the player does the horizontal stretch for anamorphic video. I have to manually put textsub before resize from the avisynth script and they don't look fat anymore, but it adds some blur.

Not directly in AVStoDVD. But here (http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-162880.html) there are some workarounds.

;)

Bye

[Flux]

I was probably too vague or missed something. Audio won't downmix from 5.1 to 2.0 when I manually set it that way in AVStoDVD. I checked the modified AC3 with DGIndex and it says 3/2 192 kbps, but I wanted stereo 192 kbps.