AVStoDVD Support Thread

[gizzin]

I disagree totally. Quenc is really blocky imo, and aqe i put in the same department as cce it tends to make a lot of noise. I never tried mencoder though. But thats getting to much off topic... everyone has their opinions and my tends to be infavour of hcenc especially with lumgain and AQ. Solves all the blocking problems at higher bitrates...hehe

[Darksoul71]

@gizzin:
But thats getting to much off topic...
Agreed :)

@MrC:
I´m currently trying to implement a "guided CQ'" interface for HCEnc similar to manolito´s HC_D2S which is compatible with the standard hc interface and thus not DVD2SVCD dependend. You can follow development here if you are interested:
http://www.vmesquita.com/forum/index.php/topic,8888.0.html

I might add a one pass VBR mode without CQ prediction as well.

[MrC]

I´m currently trying to implement a "guided CQ'" interface for HCEnc similar to manolito´s HC_D2S which is compatible with the standard hc interface and thus not DVD2SVCD dependend. You can follow development here if you are interested:
http://www.vmesquita.com/forum/index.php/topic,8888.0.html

I might add a one pass VBR mode without CQ prediction as well.

Thanks for the hint, Darksoul71. I will surely take a look. Improving VBR 1-pass encoding would be very useful, because OPV is "a kind of magic", but sometimes inaccurate.

What about writing a DLL (maybe an ActiveX DLL)? That would be great, because its spreading and implementation would be very easy. Look at MediaInfo...

;)

Bye

[Darksoul71]

I do not know about you but I rather like to call an external program than accessing a dll :)

[MrC]

I do not know about you but I rather like to call an external program than accessing a dll :)

I agree if the DLL is not well written (crash) or it has a poor documentation/examples. Otherwise I prefer DLLs because they are more integrable with GUI and let a more accurate errors handling.

Just my 2 cents....

;)

Bye

[gizzin]

After trying 3 times I can't seem to get this dvd to author. Everytime I come back is error authoring or whatever, but it encodes properly. The only thing different is the source files are on a different hd...but I dont see how that will make a difference.

[gizzin]

I also get this error sometimes with certain avi files. ERROR, GetChannel: Attempted to request a channel that didn't exist!

[MrC]

I also get this error sometimes with certain avi files. ERROR, GetChannel: Attempted to request a channel that didn't exist!

This kind of error is common when the source file contains a (not DVD-compliant, in that case AVStoDVD retains audio) AC3 audio stream with a channels number different from your directshow AC3 codec mixer/output setup.

For example, if your file as a 5+1 AC3 stream and if you use ffdshow, be sure that audio decoder mixer is configured properly (http://avstodvd.googlepages.com/ffdshow_audio_mixer_6ch.png).

:)

Bye

[gizzin]

I ran into problems trying to keep 5.1 ac3 audio. The first time I did it, It ran through with ac3fix, but the audio was all garbled upon playback on my dvd players. Then I tried It again without ac3fix, but this time there was no audio, just the video. Finally I just re-encoded the audio and everything went a-ok. But no 5.1 surround booo. I tried it a couple times.

[MrC]

I ran into problems trying to keep 5.1 ac3 audio. The first time I did it, It ran through with ac3fix, but the audio was all garbled upon playback on my dvd players. Then I tried It again without ac3fix, but this time there was no audio, just the video. Finally I just re-encoded the audio and everything went a-ok. But no 5.1 surround booo. I tried it a couple times.

Yes, there is a little bug with ac3 retention in 2.1.0 release (and in 2.1.1 gizzin build).

Please force ac3 encoding and setup your ac3 decoder output to 6 channels, as I explained in a previous post to keep 5+1 sound.

;)

Bye

[MrC]

AVStoDVD release 2.1.1 Alpha 090825 available to download (http://avstodvd.googlepages.com/home)

Change log:

- Some bugs fixed
- Added 'Video Minimum Avg BitRate' in 'Settings'/'AudioVideo'. Lower value allowed is 1000 kbps. Default is 2500 kbps.
- Added 'Default Subs Language' in 'Settings/Authoring&Burning'
- Added frames selection customization to DVD Menu thumbnails (static and motion)
- Added frame capturing and saving (bitmap) feature in 'Clip Preview'
- Added 'GridSnap' feature (grid visualization and snap objects to grid) in DVD Menu Editor
- Added 'DV Source' auto detection in 'Title Edit'/'Video'
- Changed 'Default Video Max BitRate' in 'Video Maximum Avg BitRate'. Higher value reduced to 8500 kbps to avoid bitrate spikes.
- Changed Video Max BitRate (peak) setpoint: now it is not customizable (9000 kbps)
- Improved 'Clip Preview' form capabilities
- Improved 'Settings'/'System'/'Hardware Info' section
- Improved button shadows in DVD Menu Editor (new AviSynth function 'DropShadow')
- MediaInfo updated to 0.7.7.6
- BatchMux updated to 1.3
- Moved from "GNU/GPL" to "Creative Commons - Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 Unported" license type

*Note about license*
I would like to thanks PatchWork for his (somehow "inquisitive" but very qualified) advice in choosing the appropriate license for AVStoDVD.

:)

Bye

[rendez2k]

Good work! I'll test tonight. But the big question for me is.... does this included the Panasonic fix? Without it, its not ideal for me to use!

[MrC]

Good work! I'll test tonight. But the big question for me is.... does this included the Panasonic fix? Without it, its not ideal for me to use!

It should does, because of BatchMux 1.3 update.

Let us know

;)

Bye

[Filbert]

Thanks!
Tested 'DV Source' auto detection with DV-AVI and DV-Quicktime/.mov Container (PAL/25i). Both were detected correctly as DV Source. Makes my life a lot easier... :)

Greets, Filbert

[rendez2k]

The frame selection part has crashed on me twice now - once just scrolling through the video and once trying to OK my selections. Its a shame because I like the idea! Like the menu grid too!

Not tested the Panasonic issue yet but I'll report back soon.

[PatchWorKs]

- Moved from "GNU/GPL" to "Creative Commons - Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 Unported" license type

*Note about license*
I would like to thanks PatchWork for his (somehow "inquisitive" but very qualified) advice in choosing the appropriate license for AVStoDVD.

:)

Bye :rolleyes:

BTW I suggested the BY-NC-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/) to stay under some open feel (the BY-NC (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/) allows others to mod your soft but they're not forced to release the mods and can change the license too)...

Share Alike. You allow others to distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs your work.

note: my 'art' name is Marco Ravich, for those who are interested in.

[MrC]

The frame selection part has crashed on me twice now - once just scrolling through the video and once trying to OK my selections. Its a shame because I like the idea! Like the menu grid too!

Not tested the Panasonic issue yet but I'll report back soon.

It could be a problem of compatibility between your video codecs and the directshow library quartz.dll, that I use to make previews.

I had some crashes as well when using ffdshow "nightly builds". Everything ok instead with ffdshow stable releases and XviD 1.3. Not tested with DivX 5/6.

;)

Bye

[gizzin]

Sometimes when I make a dvd it doesn't rebuild into a dvd structure properly. It happen twice, one time with a whole movie, and then recently with a single titleset. I get the error in imgburn the corresponding ifo file for that particular titleset is missing. But this would most likely be a muxman error? not a avstodvd error...

[MrC]

Sometimes when I make a dvd it doesn't rebuild into a dvd structure properly. It happen twice, one time with a whole movie, and then recently with a single titleset. I get the error in imgburn the corresponding ifo file for that particular titleset is missing. But this would most likely be a muxman error? not a avstodvd error...

Really never happened to me.... Did it happen with Muxman 0.15R (that comes with AVStoDVD) and/or 0.16.6?

Maybe Sir Didymus, who's knowledge of Muxman is surely greater than mine, could help us.

;)

Bye

[Sir Didymus]

Really never happened to me.... Did it happen with Muxman 0.15R (that comes with AVStoDVD) and/or 0.16.6?

Maybe Sir Didymus, who's knowledge of Muxman is surely greater than mine, could help us.

;)

Bye

No, no, please!

I don't like to be considered as an "expert" of anything (I am not... really...).

This issue, of the missed IFO files, is surely independent from the release of MuxMan (0.15R or 0.16.6). And it is neither depending on BatchMux - which is just a tool helpful in order to build the MuxMan scripts - or on MuxMan itself.

It is just a consequence of the fact that the MuxMan session ended with an error. Looking at the MuxMan log, and having some more informative bug report from gizzin would be useful for a better tracing of the problem.

My experience is that whenever properly created assets are fed to MuxMan, the authoring session does not fail.

Also, please use the search!
The issue of the "brute" end of the MuxMan authoring session has been discussed previously many other times, both in this thread and in the one related to FAVC.

Cheers,
SD

[MrC]

... Looking at the MuxMan log, and having some more informative bug report from gizzin would be useful for a better tracing of the problem ...

And AVStoDVD log would be useful as well.

;)

Bye

[gizzin]

Um yeah I guess saving the log would probably be useful. heh. I got a new error, well not necessary new, this also has been happening b4. The process aborts before it actually authors the dvd. I mentioned it before, I think I gave you a log of it. But anyways heres another log... I tried it with muxman 15r. I will also get a log of when the vts ifo file is missing. When it happens again I'm sure it will. I also have some files that avstodvd says when inputting them that it can't find the playtime... which are divx 5.0 and mp3 audio.

[Adub]

A couple of questions,

1) What do you use to encode to AC3? It doesn't appear to be aften, which I thought was supposed to be one of the highest quality encoders available.
2) Why do you always do a "LanczosResize(720,480,0,36,0,-36)" on all content? It crops away so much of the original content, and it is plain unnecessary.

[MrC]

Um yeah I guess saving the log would probably be useful. heh. I got a new error, well not necessary new, this also has been happening b4. The process aborts before it actually authors the dvd. I mentioned it before, I think I gave you a log of it. But anyways heres another log... I tried it with muxman 15r. I will also get a log of when the vts ifo file is missing. When it happens again I'm sure it will.

You sent me a PM with a log but without any explanation. Which case does it show? Reading it, everything seems to be ok... :confused:

I also have some files that avstodvd says when inputting them that it can't find the playtime... which are divx 5.0 and mp3 audio.

If MediaInfo does not recognize some tags (playtime in that case), AVStoDVD will tell it to the user

;)

Bye

[MrC]

A couple of questions,

1) What do you use to encode to AC3? It doesn't appear to be aften, which I thought was supposed to be one of the highest quality encoders available.
2) Why do you always do a "LanczosResize(720,480,0,36,0,-36)" on all content? It crops away so much of the original content, and it is plain unnecessary.

Hi there Merlin7777

1) As it is written in the readme.txt file (and in the website homepage), AVStoDVD uses QuEnc as audio encoder, for both mp2 and ac3. Upgrade to Aften is in my ToDo list.

2) As a matter of fact I do not ALWAYS do that resize. Resizing routine is quite complex and it depends on the input stream frame height and width and on the output aspect ratio.
<LanczosResize(720,480,0,36,0,-36> could come from a "almost" 4:3 input stream + a 16:9 selected output.
Feel free to play with frame setups and you will see different resizings.

;)

Bye

[gizzin]

The error is that the right after encoding, it doesn't get to the authoring part it just aborts on it own. That whats the log for..

<9/28/2008 7:56:30 PM>
PROCESS ABORTED DURING DVD AUTHORING OPERATIONS. <-- It doesn't author... I get this error, yet I didn't abort it... u know what i mean?

[gizzin]

If MediaInfo does not recognize some tags (playtime in that case), AVStoDVD will tell it to the user

So in other words these file are unsupported? Because after it says error reading playtime, it says error reading file...I'm not able to load them into avstodvd.

[Adub]

@MrC

Thanks for your answers. I guess I was always seeing the Lanczos line because that is the input that I am working with. I will just have to be careful and edit it by hand. And I look forward to your Aften support!!

[MrC]

The error is that the right after encoding, it doesn't get to the authoring part it just aborts on it own. That whats the log for..

<9/28/2008 7:56:30 PM>
PROCESS ABORTED DURING DVD AUTHORING OPERATIONS. <-- It doesn't author... I get this error, yet I didn't abort it... u know what i mean?

Do you have the possibility to recover and post here the log file generated by MuxMan? It is located in AVStoDVD temp files folder.

So in other words these file are unsupported? Because after it says error reading playtime, it says error reading file...I'm not able to load them into avstodvd.

Yes, they are unsupported. Those kind of error in reading AVIs usually happen when there is a error in file header. Instead, if GSpot can read the file and MediaInfo not, you can contact Zenitram (MediaInfo author) @ SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mediainfo/)to inform him about the possible bug.

;)

Bye

[gizzin]

I'll run it again, and give you the log....Man I should really save these things...

[MysticE]

Seems I can't 'keep DVD compliant audio' (it works in FAVC). And ac3fix, if ticked, just goes nuts, although I can strip out the audio and run it through ac3fix with no problems. When I look at the work file, what is listed as .ac3 is actually the original source Xvid.

[MrC]

Seems I can't 'keep DVD compliant audio' (it works in FAVC). And ac3fix, if ticked, just goes nuts, although I can strip out the audio and run it through ac3fix with no problems. When I look at the work file, what is listed as .ac3 is actually the original source Xvid.

Hi MysticE and welcome back.

Are you using release 2.1.0? If yes, the AC3 retention bug is known (see previous post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1185838#post1185838)). It is fixed in 2.1.1 Alpha.

Instead, if you are using 2.1.1 Alpha, please send me the log file with the error.

;)

Bye

[MysticE]

All good now. Sorry I didn't look harder (lots of posts).

Thanks again.

[MrC]

AVStoDVD release 2.1.1 Alpha 081003 available to download (http://avstodvd.googlepages.com/home)

Change log:

- Some bugs fixed
- Added 704x576 (PAL) and 704x480 (NTSC) as recognized compliant DVD Video resolution (now retained, not re-encoded)
- Changed AC3/MP2 audio demuxer: from 'VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2' to 'ffmpeg r14277'
- Changed default external previewer: from 'VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2' to Media Player Classic (if present) or system default AVIfile player
- Changed software to generate images/thumbs: from 'avs2avi' to 'ffmpeg r14277'
- Improved authoring log activity: added BatchMux.log file

:)

P.S. Bye Bye VDM, good old (no more) fashionable piece of software. You have done your job with honour. :cool:

[gizzin]

I found another bug I believe. I'm not certain if it happens without hitting the playall button. But after certain amount of titles it freezes right at the end of the episode. And doesn't continue playing after the other title.

[MrC]

I found another bug I believe. I'm not certain if it happens without hitting the playall button. But after certain amount of titles it freezes right at the end of the episode. And doesn't continue playing after the other title.

Please specify more details (titles number, static/motion menu, used assets) or post the log file (both AVStoDVD and BatchMux logs).

:)

Bye

[MysticE]

I originally started using AVStoDVD in it's early days. Back then I mostly used it to to convert PAL VOB music videos to NTSC 16:9. I was able to tweak the script settings, narrow the large black bars of 2.35 vids, add side bars to 4:3 vids etc. (and I liked being able to end up with mpg's rather than having it go through the authoring stage). I just loaded a VOB that would not preview. Changing to Direct Show Source also did not work (the filter graph manager will not talk to me). Clicking on AviSynth I now get 'not editable'.

[MrC]

I originally started using AVStoDVD in it's early days. Back then I mostly used it to to convert PAL VOB music videos to NTSC 16:9. I was able to tweak the script settings, narrow the large black bars of 2.35 vids, add side bars to 4:3 vids etc. (and I liked being able to end up with mpg's rather than having it go through the authoring stage). I just loaded a VOB that would not preview. Changing to Direct Show Source also did not work (the filter graph manager will not talk to me). Clicking on AviSynth I now get 'not editable'.

Don't panic... ;) I know you are one of the first users and, like many guys here at Doom9, you have helped me a lot in developping AVStoDVD.

Except single mpg output (you can achieve it by using ImagoMPEG-Muxer on elementary streams), AVStoDVD has kept all the beginning capability.

AviSynth script becomes 'not editable' when AVStoDVD finds a MPEG2 dvd compliant input stream. By default those streams are kept/transcoded and not re-encoded. To change default setting go to 'Settings'/'AudioVideo' and toggle off 'Keep/Transcode DVD compliant video'. AVS script will become editable and you can tweak it.

Hint: instead of directly tweaking the script to change aspect ratio, have you tried to play with 'Edit Title'/'Video'/'Video Aspect Ratio'?

About "the filter graph manager will not talk to me" error. That's means you do not have installed the proper directshow codec/filter to read your input file thru DirectShowSource. Try ffdshow stable releases.

If you get errors again, please be more specific: a screenshot or a log file would help a lot.

:)

Bye

[MysticE]

All good now. Re-installed ffdshow, ticking mpeg2 this time. The VOB's now preview/work.
AviSynth script becomes 'not editable' when AVStoDVD finds a MPEG2 dvd compliant input stream. By default those streams are kept/transcoded and not re-encoded. To change default setting go to 'Settings'/'AudioVideo' and toggle off 'Keep/Transcode DVD compliant video'. AVS script will become editable and you can tweak it.
Got it. For tweaking I liked your original way best, when 'widescreen' was right there, without digging/clicking around through various tabs. It was esier to note the crop/pad value changes quickly.

Except single mpg output (you can achieve it by using ImagoMPEG-Muxer on elementary streams),
Yea I know, I can just wait for the authoring then rename the VOB to mpg.

Thanks again for your quick response.

[MrC]

Just to inform that 2.1.1 Alpha 081003 has become 2.1.1 Final on SourceForge (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=197340&package_id=233646&release_id=631870).

:cool:

Bye

[Hubbabub]

Cool ;)

Thanks MrC

[MysticE]

I've installed the latest. I was having a problem with it crashing during preview. I reinstalled ffdshow. I was using the stable, I went to ffdshow_rev2180_20081004_xxl.exe for the hell of it and all is well. For some reason when previewing with DirectShowSource I get no audio with ac3 (AViSource works for AVI's), but the encode goes fine. I guess I'll reinstall ac3 filter (?) or did I miss something in ffdshow (I sure wish it had some sort of setup so as not to always have to reinstall for changes).

Some general questions if I may. Under Video (in Title Edit) I can't change the Vid bitrate to 6000 (which is what I use to prepare various music vids that I then pop into Womble MPEG Video Wizard for the final compilation), I have to go back to Settings. I sure miss the old days when I could simply set the vid and audio bitrate right from the main screen. Having encoder choice and the ability to set bitrates right from the main screen, to quickly and temporarily override the Settings, would sure make life easier, with less chance of missing something.

Many times I seem to miss something. But if I go back to the program (I've ticked 'close' but left it open) I have to redo all my various AVS tweaks etc., and I'll probably miss something again. It would be nice if it retained all the settings so I could just correct the one I've missed. I have to remember to Save the project each time before starting the encode, and then reload it.

That said if I just pop an Xvid movie in and go with all my saved current settings the program works great. :)

[MrC]

I've installed the latest. I was having a problem with it crashing during preview. I reinstalled ffdshow. I was using the stable, I went to ffdshow_rev2180_20081004_xxl.exe for the hell of it and all is well.

I know. Some ffdshow nightly built are really a mess, in particular with DirectX library quartz.dll, which I use to make previews.

For some reason when previewing with DirectShowSource I get no audio with ac3 (AViSource works for AVI's), but the encode goes fine. I guess I'll reinstall ac3 filter (?) or did I miss something in ffdshow (I sure wish it had some sort of setup so as not to always have to reinstall for changes).

One reason could be that your input stream has AC3 audio. AVStoDVD will retain it, so AVS script does not contain any reference to audio encoding.

If you have installed both ffdshow AND ac3filter, do uncheck AC3 codec in ffdshow OR uninstall ac3filter. They could interfer.

Some general questions if I may. Under Video (in Title Edit) I can't change the Vid bitrate to 6000 (which is what I use to prepare various music vids that I then pop into Womble MPEG Video Wizard for the final compilation), I have to go back to Settings. I sure miss the old days when I could simply set the vid and audio bitrate right from the main screen. Having encoder choice and the ability to set bitrates right from the main screen, to quickly and temporarily override the Settings, would sure make life easier, with less chance of missing something.

Yes, I know that having bitrate choice capability in the main screen was very handy, but, when I implemented multi titles encoding I had to make some hard decisions to leave the GUI simple & fast. One of that was to remove manual bitrate setting. Surely I could re-introduce manual bitrate in 'Edit Title'/'Video'... I will think about that. ;)

Btw, I suggest you not to go back to 'Settings'/'Encoding' to freeze all project's bitrate, but instead, play with 'DVD Size'/'Custom Size' to fit a target filesize. And leave AVStoDVD make all the bitrate calculations.

Many times I seem to miss something. But if I go back to the program (I've ticked 'close' but left it open) I have to redo all my various AVS tweaks etc., and I'll probably miss something again. It would be nice if it retained all the settings so I could just correct the one I've missed. I have to remember to Save the project each time before starting the encode, and then reload it.

Really have not understood. Of course if you close AVStoDVD (how can you close and "leave it open"?), your project's settings are lost... 'Save Project' has just the purpose to save your current job for further update... Please be more clear :)

Btw, thanks for all comments and suggestions, as usual.

What do you think about DVD menu creation?

;)

Bye

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks Mrc for the new version

Some "thoughts" on this version

1- when converting an avi with ac3 audio, AVS2DVD doesnt convert it and it "blanks" the the audio section to avoid that the user converts something that is not needed, the same goes for video, and i agree with the move....but...by blanking we cant specify the audio "language", yes we can specify it on the main menu but it would a lot easier to blank only the convert option and leave the language section "open".

2- Whemn creating the motion thumbnails it always starts from the begining, if i specify a diferent point for the motion thumbnails it doesnt aply it.

Once again thanks for keeping improving AVS2DVD

[MrC]

1- when converting an avi with ac3 audio, AVS2DVD doesnt convert it and it "blanks" the the audio section to avoid that the user converts something that is not needed, the same goes for video, and i agree with the move....but...by blanking we cant specify the audio "language", yes we can specify it on the main menu but it would a lot easier to blank only the convert option and leave the language section "open".

I agree that audio language is independent of keeping/encoding audio stream. I adopted the "quick & dirty" strategy to blank all audio settings but this section can be surely improved. Thanks for the input.

2- Whemn creating the motion thumbnails it always starts from the begining, if i specify a diferent point for the motion thumbnails it doesnt aply it.

Do you mean from DVD menu edit window or from output DVD? If first, motion menu Preview Mode is not a *real* preview and thumbs are only a shot of last thumb clip frame (with "film effect" overlayed).
Output DVD should keep your selected start/end frame for thumbs, shouldn't it?

;)

Bye

[MrC]

What do you think removing the choice to use AVISource or DirectShowSource in 'Settings'/'Encoding' and implement a AviSynth plugin like this:

Function A2DVideoSource(VideoSource)
{
Try {
DirectShowSource(VideoSource, convertfps=true, audio=false)
}
Catch(Err_Msg) {
Try {
AviSource(VideoSource)
}
Catch(Err_Msg) {
LoadPlugin("FFmpegSource.dll")
FFmpegSource(VideoSource, seekmode=0)
}
}
return(Last)
}

Function A2DAudioSource(AudioSource)
{
Try {
DirectShowSource(AudioSource, video=false)
}
Catch(Err_Msg) {
Try {
AviSource(AudioSource)
}
Catch(Err_Msg) {
LoadPlugin("FFmpegSource.dll")
FFmpegSource(AudioSource, vtrack = -2, atrack = -1, seekmode=0)
}
}
return(Last)
}

Any suggestions how to improve the AVS script is well accepted

;)

Bye

[ricardo.santos]

Do you mean from DVD menu edit window or from output DVD?

On the output DVD ofcourse, i know the "preview" doesnt show the real preview but i meant the final/output dvd.

[MrC]

On the output DVD ofcourse, i know the "preview" doesnt show the real preview but i meant the final/output dvd.

Please check again because, from my experience, start/end frames selection for motion thumbs works correctly.

Eventually grab file [ProjectName]Thumb_1_Video.avs from AVStoDVD Temp files folder and paste it here.

Thanks

:)

Bye

[ricardo.santos]

i checked it 3 times by encoding several diferent videos before posting, will post the log later tonight

Thanks

[MrC]

ricardo, I'm not claiming you are in a hurry at posting (I know your competence) but I'm trying to understand. Let's go step by step just to be aligned.

To change thumbs start/end frame:
- Open 'Menu Editor'
- Click on 'Edit Mode'
- Click on selected thumb. 'Frame Start', 'Frame End' and 'Edit' button become visible. Remember those numbers! Default are 0 and 375 (15 seconds time span).
- Click on 'Edit'. 'Clip Preview' window opens.
- In 'Edit' menu you can visualize start/end frame.
- Go to selected start frame and press menu 'Edit'/'Mark current frame ... start'. Select, i.e., frame 50.
- Go to selected end frame and press menu 'Edit'/'Mark current frame ... end'. Select, i.e., frame 500.
- Exit from 'Clip Preview'
- In 'Menu Editor', if everything is ok, 'Frame Start' and 'Frame End' should have changed. Fake motion thumb should have changed as well.

After encoding, if you keep temp files, [ProjectName]Thumb_1_Video.avs from AVStoDVD Temp files folder should contain the line:
Trim(50,500)
and not
Trim(0,375)

Let me know and thanks for report

;)

Bye