AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version

[SamuriHL]

No one's really stupid enough to buy that thing at 1200USD are they? I mean.....good god.

[el Filou]

Well, didn't some people buy the 3090 at even higher MSRP even though they didn't need that much VRAM?

[chros]

... the new 3080 Ti or "Tie" just like the Rasperry Pi or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvlK_Wc_aYo :D
:D Just watched this (https://youtu.be/Vtkk-_0jrPU) the other day: "... robbery... insane... waste of silicon..." :D

[SamuriHL]

Well, didn't some people buy the 3090 at even higher MSRP even though they didn't need that much VRAM?

Yes, but at least that's somewhat understandable. The TI is an overpriced 3080 that doesn't come CLOSE to filling the mid-gap between the 3080 and 3090. 12 gigs of ram vs 10 and a 1-2% speed bump doesn't exactly warrant 500 bucks difference in price.

[videoh]

I feel so bad for poor people that can't afford bleeding-edge technology. It's not fair!

And the sour grapes are off the charts!

[brazen1]

Affordable or not... Fools and their money are soon parted.

[el Filou]

Nobody's criticizing people buying expensive bleeding edge tech, it's just that there's not much bleeding edge tech in the 3080 Ti: it's like a 3080 but 71% more expensive for 17% more theoretical compute power.

[Klaus1189]

it's like a 3080 but 71% more expensive for 17% more theoretical compute power.

We have same sources :)

[huhn]

the source simple math?

[SamuriHL]

And that's the point. I don't begrudge anyone buying a 3090. I considered it myself but opted against it. I'd buy a 3080 at 700 bucks could I find one. The 3080 TI is something that shouldn't exist. It's a money grab by nVidia that provides no real value to consumers. THAT is what I don't like.

[Manni]

And also new Studio driver 462.65
Both new drivers with support for the new 3080 Ti or "Tie" just like the Rasperry Pi or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvlK_Wc_aYo :D

Apparently there is a fork in drivers. 462.65 support the 3080ti but not the 3090.

462.59 supports the 3090 but (obviously) not the 3089ti.

So if you look for the studio drivers for the 3090, it's still 42.59 that comes up, not 462.65.

The latest GRD for 3090 is 466.63. That one supports all models.

[videoh]

More GPU memory really opens the doors for performing filter chains on the GPU, rather than moving results back to the CPU for every filter in the script. It's something I call CUDASynth. It's not for poor people. Sorry!

[el Filou]

Isn't "filter chains" already what renderers like madVR are doing? How many different filters and VRAM usage are we talking about?

[alleway]

hi there, is anyone having issues with sound if connected via earc on nvidia drivers after version 466.27 if 12bpc colour is selected. i have a c9 and rtx3080 with my audio on earc. using mpc hc and madvr

[Klaus1189]

hi there, is anyone having issues with sound if connected via earc on nvidia drivers after version 466.27 if 12bpc colour is selected. i have a c9 and rtx3080 with my audio on earc. using mpc hc and madvr

What issues exactly?

[VBB]

GeForce Hotfix Driver Version 466.74

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5200

[alleway]

What issues exactly?

no sound output if i select 12bpc in nvidia. 10bpc works fine. i tested on othe media player (eg. potplayer) same problem with the earc audio problem. not sure why

[Klaus1189]

The summary in the first two posts are getting to big to fit. So I decided to release a pdf file. What do you think about posting a link like this one in the first post?

GPU driver issues (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ofot7mr8so6Mf-Lz9KPs8iKP4AMZh3eb/view?usp=sharing)

[pirlouy]

Will it be indexed by web crawlers ?
Your nice work deserves to be found on search engines. If you lack space, maybe you should create a new thread with the 10 first posts for you. You could remove your posts from this thread, then a moderator could close this thread.

[Klaus1189]

I don‘t know. How can it be indexed? Any things necessary?

[pirlouy]

This forum is indexed by bots, but in general, google drive files are not. That's why I think it would be better if content stayed on this forum.

[SamuriHL]

Yea well these new drivers SUCK! I just went to finally watch a movie and HDR is completely borked for me. I'm about to restart my machine. If that doesn't work I'm going to have to downgrade. NOT amused, nVidia, it was working perfectly before they screwed this up!

EDIT: A reboot fixed it. That was MESSED UP though. Wow

[huhn]

you noticed that windows just released/showed WDDM 3.0.
so expect some hick ups.

[SamuriHL]

Ah you have a valid point there. I forgot windows just did a massive update on my HTPC. I was thinking it was nVidia. Thanks, MS. Jackasses. LOL The reboot fixed it so that's good at least.

[huhn]

i have zero prove it was windows could be either or both.

but windows was in pretty hot water with some WDDM changes in the past month combined with bad user practice and the need for these bad practice...

[SamuriHL]

The timing makes perfect sense, sadly. Very possibly windows.

[Manni]

Got fed up with the driver / OS dance. My HTPC is a gaming rig / video editing workstation now, with the latest studio driver installed without testing.

I do all my film watching with a Dune Vision 4K Pro Solo (using MyMovies on an iPad as a front end), a new ATV for streaming, and an Envy for video processsing / calibration. Not a solution for everyone, but movie playback just wasn’t stable enough or reliable enough on my HTPC since I upgraded to the 3090.

I think an HTPC is still a great option if you can have a dedicated machine with the OS and driver frozen in time, but that’s not an option with my new rig as I use it primarily for work (and the occasional gaming) now.

I’ll reconsider when/if madVR is developed actively again as a software (with the release of non-time limited stable versions and not just as a test bed for Envy), but for now Envy is where things happen. HLG support came a couple of days ago for example.

[chros]

I'm happy for you guys, really, but for tons of us it's not an option :)

[Manni]

I'm happy for you guys, really, but for tons of us it's not an option :)

Yes, I know and said so :)

[el Filou]

The timing makes perfect sense, sadly. Very possibly windows.Are you on Windows Insider? The new WDDM 3.0 huhn is talking about is only available in the latest insider builds (21xxx).

[SamuriHL]

Are you on Windows Insider? The new WDDM 3.0 huhn is talking about is only available in the latest insider builds (21xxx).

That machine could be. Depends on if I pulled it out of the insider builds when the new official build was released or not. I know for a fact it just did a build update the other day so my guess is I didn't. Stupid me for not paying attention.

[SamuriHL]

These latest drivers aren't entirely stable. On my laptop with the 2080 I had a driver crash earlier just using outlook. Gotta love that.

[Shinobu]

Hello.
I use Win10 + Core i7-3770 + NvGTX960 + 8go ram + SSD + MPC-HC + Madvr as my HTPC.
It's connected to an epson 2700w.

Nevermind the settings i use in mpc nor the setting in nv driver, i got random micro stutter.

If i use software/cuvid/dvxa... in lavfilter, it's the same

No frame drop/dup/presentation in madvr information.

Thoses stutter are most of time not showing, but in slow smooth travelling it's realy distrubing.

Same in 23.976fps or 47.952fps.
I use 47.952fps with S.V.P frame double to get the best possible result and it's looking great but the stutter are even more visible (there's not more stutter but as the travelling are way smoother with S.V.P the stutter are even more distrubing)

I've logged cpu/gpu/ram/hard drive (ssd) usage and no bottleneck too and madvr control pannel never show frame drop/dup

Any suggestions ?

Thanks a lot ^^

[Klaus1189]

Perhaps it also helps you with your card:
• If you have a Nvidia 20xx/30xx video card and you encounter micro stutter while using madVR without actually dropping frames, please try the following:
• In the Nvidia control panel, go to Manage 3D Settings, scroll all the way down and set Vertical Sync to 'On'. You can do this either globally or just for the media player exe.
• In the madVR settings, go to rendering -> general settings, and uncheck 'enable automatic fullscreen exclusive mode'
• In the madVR settings, go to rendering -> windowed mode settings, and set 'how many video frames shall be presented in advance' to 1 or a maximum of 3

[jkauff]

I use 47.952fps with S.V.P frame double to get the best possible result and it's looking great but the stutter are even more visible (there's not more stutter but as the travelling are way smoother with S.V.P the stutter are even more disturbing)

I've logged cpu/gpu/ram/hard drive (ssd) usage and no bottleneck too and madvr control panel never show frame drop/dup

Any suggestions ?

It's been a couple of years since I played around with SVP, but at that time the GPU demands for certain features were pretty high. Maybe your older GTX card is not up to the task.

[Shinobu]

@Klaus1189
Already tryied that but no luck

@jkauff
As i said, i have the stutter without SVP, SVP only make them more visible as the motions are way smoother with it

[Klaus1189]

Perhaps if you add your player.exe in Nvidia driver and change power management? What entries can you choose from with your GPU?

[Shinobu]

A disabled all power management from this computer (control panel + NV driver)

[Klaus1189]

http://nvidia.s3.amazonaws.com/aid_3130/adaptive_performance.jpg

[Shinobu]

As a said already done ^^

[Klaus1189]

Max performance does not help?

[Shinobu]

not at all

[clsid]

Press Ctrl+J to display the madVR statistics overlay. Check if the rendertime does not exceed the frame time.

Make a screenshot. Upload it to external image host, then copy link here.

[el Filou]

I think it would show in drop/repeat/present stats if it went above frame time.

Have you tried disabling fullscreen optimisations in the player's .exe properties and using fullscreen exclusive in madVR? Some people say FSE is not really exclusive anymore but some other have said it gives better results for them, so worth a try.

[Shinobu]

@clsid
Here's the caps

Without SVP
http://yatoshicom.free.fr/SVPoff.jpg

With SVP
http://yatoshicom.free.fr/SVPon.jpg

I'm using a custom resolution (cru) of 47.952fps even for 23.976fps, because the native 23.976fps mode in NVidia driver sux (got a repeated frame about all 5 minutes with it)
Using MPC-HC 1.9.13 and lastest madvr, lastest windows, lastest nv driver .... but i have those micro stutter for month, i tried all i could think about, but no luck T_T

@el Filou
Already tryied but no luck

Thanks all for try to help ^^

[clsid]

Your present queue has size 3.
Set "how many frames shall be presented in advance" to 1 in madVR.

[Shinobu]

already tested and same result T_T

[el Filou]

Radeon GCN 1-3 moved to legacy support: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-630

(some R 400 and R 500 models use GCN 3 and are not in the list, but they are OEM only models, so maybe they're not being considered for this note and are out of support by the OEMs anyway? It's not clear)

My HD 7870 had quite a long support life! :)Nvidia GeForce 471.11 WHQL driver released, new driver branch.Issues: DPC latency is higher when color mode is set to 8-bit color compared to 10-bit color. [3316424]Oh wow.

[ashlar42]

Oh wow.What's DPC latency?

[huhn]

very simplified and wrong:
is the time to call a device driver to do something.

if it is "high" nothing usually happens there is simply no limited to how high it could get and here is where the problems can start.

a really really high value can create audio issue (cracking) to displaying issues (delayed frames) and such.

i got 20k ms not us spikes with MPDN back in the days a number below 1000 us should be totally save