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DMU

25th December 2019, 01:38

@mclingo
Wrote a draft of questions to AMD. Since English is not my native language, I ask you for help in editing, if something is not clearly explained to them.

Hi there.
You have entered support for HDR mode. The agsSetDisplayMode() function used to set a specific display in HDR mode, does its job perfectly: it sends metadata to the display device, which is defined in section 6.9 «Dynamic Range and Mastering InfoFrame» according to Table 5 of the CTA-861 standard. But in the same Table 5 there is also «Auxiliary Video Information (AVI)» defined in section 6.4. And all display devices are required to use the color space (colorimetry) from this data section (AVI InfoFrame) for the current video signal.
Suppose we are in SDR mode with the standard sRGB color space. And we want to switch to the HDR mode with the BT.2020 color space, which is the main one for this mode. By calling the agsSetDisplayMode() function, we put the display device in HDR mode. And we see distorted or unsaturated colors. This is because the display device did not receive the corresponding flag from the GPU in the AVI InfoFrame and is trying to display our BT.2020 color space in its sRGB.
Please tell me, do you think that such HDR support in AGS_SDK is sufficient? If yes, then advise what else needs to be done so that the display device passes into the correct color space when activating the HDR mode using AGS?

mclingo

25th December 2019, 22:29

HI, that looks fine to me, I dont understand all of it but it makes sense enough gramatically

jkauff

26th December 2019, 16:48

A few days ago I purchased an Asus GeForce GTX 1660 Super Overclocked 6GB Dual-Fan Evo Edition graphics card for my office PC. List price is a reasonable $229.99, with no discounts as of yet. Running latest drivers.

The Super GTX 1660 does an excellent job with madVR, almost as good as the GTX 1080 in my HTPC. I can run NGU at High or better doubling/quadrupling HD and SD sources on my 4K computer monitor. 6GB GDDR6 memory is a nice plus.

Great way to spend some holiday gift cards if you need an upgrade.

NoTechi

28th December 2019, 11:37

Would it be possible to use the internal Intel gpu only for one application while nvidia takes care of everything else?
I used to use an Intel NUC and mvc 3D including HD audio worked great there. My idea now is to have a special Kodi version for my HTPC which is only for 3D and uses only the Intel gpu.
So I would have everything on one system, one Kodi for 3D with the Intel gpu (without madvr) and a second Kodi with mpc-be as external player for everything else (with madvr).

Do you think this is a feasible solution, if it is even possible, or am I going into driver hell because the two drivers (Intel vs. Nvidia) interfere with each other?

NoTechi

huhn

28th December 2019, 12:57

possible.
but without better details no way to say for sure.

jkauff

28th December 2019, 14:39

Would it be possible to use the internal Intel gpu only for one application while nvidia takes care of everything else?
If you had two displays, each one connected to a GPU, this would be easier. Most players can deal with multiple monitors.

Does Kodi allow you to choose the GPU it uses? If so, you should be good to go (assuming your motherboard supports multiple GPUs). Drivers won't be a problem.

NoTechi

28th December 2019, 15:32

If you had two displays, each one connected to a GPU, this would be easier. Most players can deal with multiple monitors.

Does Kodi allow you to choose the GPU it uses? If so, you should be good to go (assuming your motherboard supports multiple GPUs). Drivers won't be a problem.

I got a second display connected but thats just for calibration and other tuning stuff. My main is a JVC projector and thats where I would like to have still the option for playing 3D mvc while using latest nvidia driver (without 3D support) for other stuff.

I just mentioned Kodi because I thought I could force an application to use the internal GPU (Intel UHD Graphic 630) instead of the Nvidia e.g. through Windows 10 settings. I haven't found anything like that yet. I don't care about the player as long as it can play 3D mvc iso. I can't find the option to select a gpu in mpc be. Could you show me the setting or recommend another 3D mvc capable player where I can select the gpu?

If I would find a way I could connect the internal gpu with my avr and switch the avr to this hdmi as soon as I start a player just dedicated for playing 3D.... not nice but better then no 3D .. ;)

Well guess I will just have to try a bit :)

NoTechi

huhn

28th December 2019, 15:36

i don't know why i get ignored but does your board have HDMI 2.0?

NoTechi

28th December 2019, 15:47

i don't know why i get ignored but does your board have HDMI 2.0?

Oh sorry did not wanted to ignore you, it was more a replay to both of you :)

Not sure but I would guess so yes it is an Asus ROG STRIX H370-F GAMING.

NoTechi

Klaus1189

28th December 2019, 16:04

Worth to look at it, although it is mentioned for games, but media players are also applications which should be selectable, too.

https://www.howtogeek.com/351522/how-to-choose-which-gpu-a-game-uses-on-windows-10/

NoTechi

28th December 2019, 16:17

NoTechi

30th December 2019, 17:24

Well just half of a success so far. I tried PotPlayer and the 3D Kodi and following the instructions from Klaus link both are using the internal Intel gpu now. I can also get a stereoscopic like picture with both but my JVC is not recognizing it as 3D so I can't activate my 3D glasses.

Anyhow this is getting offtopic to this thread so thanks all for hints and I will have to investigate further to find a solution ... If I can't find one I might end up with switching to AMD ... rumors of the new AMD gpu's to be releleased 2020 sound promising :)

NoTechi

huhn

30th December 2019, 22:27

if you connect the projector to the intel iGPU and tell the PC to use the nvidia GPU with let's say MPC-HC you can do processing with the nvidia card and still output 3D.

WuNgUn

1st January 2020, 04:43

Tried to downgrade to 398.11 for my Geforce card (Win10 x64) and the installer tells me it's not compatible with my version... Which it should be.
Maybe I need to do a driver cleaning first..?

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Klaus1189

1st January 2020, 08:56

Yes, do this first, report back.

littleD

1st January 2020, 09:13

Be aware nvidia serves new DCH driver model by default. You cannot install normal whql over DCH. I think its possible to install DCH over standard whql, but with no way back. Only complete remove by DDU helps in installing whql again.

Manni

1st January 2020, 12:09

I wasn’t able to install 398 reliably on Windows 190x, despite many clean install attempts following DDU passes. You need to downgrade the OS as well if you want to go back.

This might also resolve the very annoyingly slow nvidia control panel (it takes minutes to show up and change some of the settings) that I habe since I left 180x.

If I could I’d stay on 1809 with 398.

littleD

1st January 2020, 13:31

I imagine 39xx line would be enough for old cards like maxwell and old games. I have some right now some unknown source of COD2 stuttering despite reaching 60fps. I believe its from drivers.
But new cards with new games works good with 4xx. Go for some stable maybe 441.41 otherwise you need specific htcp feature unbroken.

WuNgUn

1st January 2020, 13:59

398.11 is installing, after running DDU from safe mode....

Edit: so, maybe the pass thru is working fine on this driver, but picture quality isn't great...
Last night on new driver, using tone map/120nits, the image really popped.
Now, passing meta data thru, the image looks like SDR, like I'm looking thru a veil.
But turning off pass thru, the image is REALLY washed out... Ugh
All in all, not a lot of different from the different settings...

WuNgUn

1st January 2020, 14:24

You can make out the difference in these images... But there should be a bigger image quality difference...
When I change HDR setting, with the picture image in full screen, I can see a flicker of deep, rich colour for a split second... Then it reverts back to meh.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200101/10ae94fc5bc7da112bf1bd0d4c3e490d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200101/4ec3c2ec3c2a7ae32ec8c1c93204193e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200101/d42359d7ebeb4143fbfbbf7eff1bab92.jpg

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WuNgUn

1st January 2020, 14:51

With driver 430.39
Looks like pass thru is much improved...or false! But I much prefer the image.

(also an image of shader mapping) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200101/5f07993312a1e77de03625316cdc7dcd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200101/1dc7874736dcf69d7f35ef397167bebf.jpg

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mclingo

3rd January 2020, 16:53

still no news on the 5700 series HDR problem, I only have a few days left on my RMA, I still cant decide whether to put it back it my machine and wait for a fix or sack it off, its a powerful card compared to me RX580 so naturally I want to keep it but I have to deploy too many workarounds for it, its a little annoying and I dont like the results I get from windows HDR api alone.

nothing from MADSHI either, I was hoping he'd be able to add force BT2020 switch or something which would be easy for him but it looks like all of his time is going into the hardware / tone mapping.

has anyone else heard anything or found any new workarounds?

:(

el Filou

3rd January 2020, 17:13

Did you share it on gaming forums? If I'm not mistaken, the earlier HDR games used the private APIs to switch the display (maybe recent ones still do, I don't know), so 5700 owners who game in HDR may have encountered the same problem, and most gaming issues get looked at quicker than video playback issues.
madshi is probably working full time on the Envy and tone mapping and there always was little hope that he would find a fix for this before the return period for your purchase ended.
(The fact a majority of madVR users have Nvidia cards certainly doesn't help.)

mclingo

3rd January 2020, 18:29

I dont really go on gaming forums to be honest, I may look at that but I logged it on AMD forums and it got no replies, i'm a little surprised this hasnt been picked up yet, this should be a fairly major bug AMD would want to resolve, unless its actually something in MADVR itself, that is still a possibility and could explain why its not getting picked up by gamers.

Does anyone know any games that use the AMD HDR API so I can maybe try them?

DMU

3rd January 2020, 19:43

I created a post here (https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/AGS_SDK/issues/33). But there is no answer.

mclingo

3rd January 2020, 19:52

are we sure this is the API, wouldnt my RX580 card now be using this new API?, that doesnt have this issue.

DMU

3rd January 2020, 20:16

Not sure. This may be a bug in the drivers, which does not apply to Polaris.

mclingo

3rd January 2020, 21:43

ive decided to keep my card, ive found some workaronds I can now live with. My main player is KODI DS, because my HDR TV only has MAX nits of 400 using tone mapping to convert to SDR negates the need for the HDR API, I see no difference at all on my TV between full HDR mode and Tone mapped to SDR.

My secondary is MPC-BE, i mainly just use this to quickly demo something, it was handy as a backup. It still plays HDR stuff fine but the EVR renderer as you know outputs the wrong colour space with this card so I've added a 16-235 to 0-255 conversion shader as on shortcut key so I can leave this on and toggle it off if I want to quickly demo something in HDR.

The main reason I want to keep this card is that using NGU AA even at low caused my RX580 to blow hard, this new card is very quiet even at NGU AA High for both upscale and chroma + tone mapping.

NoTechi

4th January 2020, 21:08

After lots of frustration to get 3D mvc files working again with my 1080 I decided to get a AMD 5700XT. I don't care about the HDR bug since I use madvr tone mapping anyhow.
As very short performance test before I switched the card I took a look at rendering times for a tone mapped HDR in madvr in a movie and I have to say the rendering times with exactly the same madvr settings are kinda the same perhaps 1-2 lower. Everything is working fine beside 3D mvc :mad:

What I have tried is:
1. PowerDVD demo version with no success
2. Potplayer with madvr with no success
3. MPC-Be (my standard for everything) with madvr and lav filters with no success

It's already strange that madvr is not reporting 3D within the info when playing a 3D mvc file. I tried many different lav,mpc-be settings and madvr settings but can't get it working. Even reinstalled lav-filters.

Could someone confirm they got 3D mvc files working with an AMD 5700XT. As a last option, I plan to install Windows from scratch, but first I want to get confirmation that 3D still works with AMD ...

NoTechi

mclingo

4th January 2020, 21:31

this is odd, 3d is pretty solid on AMD cards, do you have a demo file you can post I can test for you, works fine with my RX 5700

is your player set with MADVR as renderer, it wont work otherwise (apart from POWERDVD)
make sure the movie starts in full screen and that you are using refresh rate matching in MADVR + remember to to turn on 3D in MADVR to.
try FSE on or OFF
if you are using MPC-BE try using external filters, not a fan of their internal filters anyway, or use MPC-HC with external filters.

here is a decent test file:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBijd4nAYlIVwDJiWPLGg?e=NtBXvi

NoTechi

5th January 2020, 00:12

Your testfile is working but it is not 3D mvc it is SBS which is a lower resolution then mvc.

Could you please try like the first 3D mvc iso sample here:
3D MVC ISO Testfiles (https://kodi.wiki/view/Samples#3D_Test_Clips)

NoTechi

huhn

5th January 2020, 00:54

did you make sure that you installed the 3d software decoder?

NoTechi

5th January 2020, 04:30

did you make sure that you installed the 3d software decoder?

The one which is optional when installing lav filters? Yes

NoTechi

mclingo

5th January 2020, 05:14

ah wait, are you trying to play 3d ISO files?, this will be your problem, you really need to put them in a MKV container using with something like makeMKV, this is a full rip to MVC, no loss of quality not SBS, my file is a FULL MVC file in MKV format.

If you play my file and it shows as SbS it means you are trying to play it with MPC-BE using the downloadable MVC decoder, its buggy at best, ive never got that to work properly. Do what I said before, dont use the internal filters in MPC-BE, install latest lav filters, then add them all externally to MPC-BE, that will then work as long as you also set it to play in full screen.

NoTechi

5th January 2020, 13:20

ah wait, are you trying to play 3d ISO files?, this will be your problem, you really need to put them in a MKV container using with something like makeMKV, this is a full rip to MVC, no loss of quality not SBS, my file is a FULL MVC file in MKV format.

Yes my files are iso. I was just assuming your test file is a SBS.mkv converted from an mvc.iso since it has SBS in its file name (3D TEST.MVC.3D.SBS.mkv).
Anyhow if mvc mkv is possible that could be a stopgap solution. I am just sceptical since with nvidia and the old drivers I was able to play those iso mvc files in 3D just fine in the same setup (mbc-be with external lav filters and madvr). Now with the same setup and just switched from Nvidia to AMD card I still can play the iso but they are shown in 2D.
I will try to convert one of my iso to mkv once I am back at my HTPC.

If you play my file and it shows as SbS it means you are trying to play it with MPC-BE using the downloadable MVC decoder, its buggy at best, ive never got that to work properly. Do what I said before, dont use the internal filters in MPC-BE, install latest lav filters, then add them all externally to MPC-BE, that will then work as long as you also set it to play in full screen.

Thats what I have already thats my standard setup for everything.
Please do me a favour and try sample 1 and sample 7 Kodi 3D mvc test files with your mpc-be setup.
Kodi 3D samples (https://kodi.wiki/view/Samples#3D_Test_Clips)
I get on sample 1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxFVkl63-lEd2c0ekxfbFd3Tmc/view) just a 2D picture from the iso.
But I also get just a 2D picture on sample 7 (https://thedigitaltheater.wetransfer.com/downloads/b4b7719af652e47fecb22615e0a2646920170406213427/c95083) which is an mkv mvc.
Are you also just getting 2D with those two samples?

NoTechi

huhn

5th January 2020, 13:25

iso from BD are supported.

just do it the hard way for a test.
set your windows to 1080p3d and try it then.

DMU

5th January 2020, 20:13

ive decided to keep my card, ive found some workaronds I can now live with.

Have you tried Kodi Matrix 19.0 HDR Edition 4.0-rc3 (https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=345566)? He uses WinAPI to HDR passthrough, so your Navi GPU should display the correct color space.

NoTechi

5th January 2020, 23:08

iso from BD are supported.

just do it the hard way for a test.
set your windows to 1080p3d and try it then.

Just did with no success. Files are being played but in 2D only (also madvr info screen does not indicate 3D)

It's already strange that I don't have any settings within the AMD driver (19.12.2) related to 3D, so I guess I am missing something. I did some research and found AMD had something in regards to 3D called HD3d in the past. Even though this was for playing games in 3D at 60hz it also was supporting 3D movies and youtube videos showed promising 3D video settings.
Is there anything similiar available now since links to AMD HD3d drivers and docs (https://community.amd.com/docs/DOC-1354) lead nowhere?

NoTechi

huhn

5th January 2020, 23:21

mclingo

5th January 2020, 23:48

Just did with no success.

NoTechi

just tested sample 1, worked fine with KODI-HC, this is my secondary player, KODI DS doesnt support ISO 3D.

note, i'm using filters added externally, no using built in filters as these never work right for me with 3D, you must add them externally I have always found.

try external filters with MPC-HC and report back.

have you missed anything in your setup?

screen shots

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8k0X0X15BnOCYQzjg?e=tQh7FZ

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8kzey5EDosMxwLvLw?e=CEvW6J

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8kycP4lDTh8UgYZdg?e=ZEAwDs

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8k1a7fo2nDeXXjg1A?e=aQdDlD

you dont need anything else, no other softwares or apps, this normally just works with AMD no fuss.

NoTechi

5th January 2020, 23:54

make sure you are using software decoding and make sure the type of 3D in madVR is set to auto.

the 3D implementation from amd and nvidia doesn't matter here madVR doesn't support them it only supports the OS 3D API.
if madVR would support 3d vision 3d on nvidia would still work up to this day.

Madvr 3D is set to auto. What software decoding are you refering to? In Lav Video "hardware decoder to use" set to "none"? With nvidia and old driver I had D3D11 and DXVA2 (copy back) both working with 3D as far as I remember.

NoTechi

NoTechi

6th January 2020, 00:02

just tested sample 1, worked fine with KODI-HC, this is my secondary player, KODI DS doesnt support ISO 3D.

I guess it is a typo and should be mpc-hc instead of Kodi-hc right? Going to try mpc-hc with external filter now ... even though I am not that optimistic anymore. :D

Thanks for testing the Kodi sample file this gives me hope that I will get it working at some point and if I have to reinstall windows :p

NoTechi

mclingo

6th January 2020, 00:13

Have you tried .

yeah, i've been following this closely, it works very well, however I prefer to use one player for everything so converting to SDR using MADVR / KODI DS is my current preference as this player where perfect for the general user will never support MADVR, cant live without that.

mclingo

6th January 2020, 00:38

NoTechi

6th January 2020, 00:51

try external filters with MPC-HC and report back.

have you missed anything in your setup?

Well also with mpc-hc no success. Madvr info screen does not show 3D and the kodi sample iso file plays in 2D only.
All settings as in your screenshots (many thanks btw :)). Could you make a screenshot of your lav Video settings please. If mine are also the same I give up for today :P

NoTechi

mclingo

6th January 2020, 01:39

mclingo

6th January 2020, 01:44

if its still not working something this is really odd, not sure where else to go with this.

LAV settings

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8k4fl_OXnPgIEE_-Q?e=bdNCoP

mclingo

6th January 2020, 01:51

Here is a pic of your sample playing in MPC-HC - i put one of my 3D glasses lenses over the lens to take it, dont know if this is any use to you but i might highlight if something is missing at your end.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8k5GalXMZPfV5N-uQ?e=PZ6Ukd

NoTechi

6th January 2020, 02:20

Many thanks Mclingo! Will take another look after some sleep :)

NoTechi

Update:
After testing some more without success I decided to start from scratch (I double checked that my settings match mclingos settings). I am going to try windows 10 reset by keeping all files. According to Microsoft reinstall info (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4000735/windows-10-reinstall) this should get rid of all drivers and installed apps but will keep files.