AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version

[Yups]

Now also in "Intel® Graphics - Windows® 10 DCH Drivers" there is "Support for Intel® Iris® Xe Max Graphics (DG1)"

Why did Intel create a dedicated driver before and then add support in the other package? Then the dedicated package will see no more updates, is it?


It wasn't a dedicated driver, I could install it on Tigerlake. It's the same chip, there is no need for a separate release anymore.

[Klaus1189]

Ok, i do not have any intel cpu with integrated graphics here to test, but Intel listed and still lists the two independently:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/80939/Graphics

[Yups]

I know, the listed Xe Max driver there can be installed on Tigerlake as well. There is no real separate driver which wouldn't make sense, it's the exact same chip. The newest driver release supports both officially.

[justcheeze]

I'm still getting them even with the newest 461.09 driver. It's been pretty awful to try to troubleshoot, since sometimes it seems fixed if I change one thing, then it starts happening again, then I change the thing back, and it doesn't happen. I've tried closing the player and opening again without changing anything and sometimes it gets fixed. It's sporadic and semi-random but it happens most of the time. Yesterday it happened with a DTS-HD 7.1 movie.

I'm still in the process of building a new HTPC from scratch now with an 5800x and x570 board so I'll see if it happens then. I notice you're using a C9, which seems to be one of the few things we have in common, how is it connected to the AVR, via eARC (PC -> TV -> AVR)? That's how I have it. Also what resolution and refresh rate are you running the TV at? It could be the new-ish firmware for the C9 (hopefully not!).

Sorry for the late reply Andy.

Yup same vein with me, it's now even happening on lossy Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital+. Even had a skip with PCM last night (was watching anime)!

Mind blown at these issues. I'm lost actually, if it isn't a hardware problem, isn't an OS problem, isn't a player problem, then wtf else is it??? :angry:

I have the receiver connected exactly as you said, but all the inputs are handled on the receiver instead of on the TV. eARC is just enabled when I decide to watch netflix/prime through the TV's app instead (which is better than the trash windows 10 netflix app). Firmware on my C9 is 5.00.03. Thing is, the audio drop out has happened all the way back since 4.71.25. Doubt it's the TV causing any issues since the audio stops at the receiver anyways.

[hans.gruber]

Hello,

Is there a way to configure madVR to not use AMD's proprietary API calls, ie just DirectX?
I want to try this because madVR works for me in exclusive mode exactly once after a system reboot
and if I try the 2nd time the colors are off (yellow tint).
In windowed mode it also has this tint until I point the mouse at the seek bar and then back to the movie (to make the seek bar disappear).
After I do this the yellow tint disappears.

The reason I'm asking is because Kodi 19 RC works every single time in windowed and it is not using any proprietary calls, just pure DX AFAIK.
I'm using 20H2, APU 4650G, tried multiple drivers starting with Oct 19 driver. March 2020 drivers don't support Renoir APUs.

Regards

[huhn]

is your OS is in HDR mode it will not use the AMD API.

[DMU]

I'm using 20H2, APU 4650G

I have the same APU, there are no issues in the FSW (Full Screen Windowed) mode on any driver.

[hans.gruber]

I have the same APU, there are no issues in the FSW (Full Screen Windowed) mode on any driver.

do you also have to show/hide seek bar in FSW for the colors to be correct?

[DMU]

@ hans.gruber
At the start of video playback, the colors are correct; when you call the seek bar, they are not correct.

[hans.gruber]

@ hans.gruber
At the start of video playback, the colors are correct; when you call the seek bar, they are not correct.

that is expected afaik, however for me i have to show and hide seek bar otherwise i get yellow tint with the bar hidden.
my apu is somewhat newer than 2200g, the newer driver may behave differently for this hardware or have diff bugs :/

[DMU]

my apu is somewhat newer than 2200g, the newer driver may behave differently for this hardware or have diff bugs :/

I have both.

[VBB]

New Nvidia driver 461.40:

Standard - https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/461.40/461.40-desktop-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe

DCH - https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/461.40/461.40-desktop-win10-64bit-international-dch-whql.exe

No HTPC-related changes or fixes

[SamuriHL]

If I get a minute I'll see if it breaks anything HTPC related.

[Klaus1189]

Well, at least prices are going to normalize
https://www.alternate.de/Grafikkarten/NVIDIA-Grafikkarten/html/listings/1486466143032?s=price_desc

[Klaus1189]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJXQXOCw14
And the english review:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/set-with-xe-intel-iris-xe-max-grahics-in-exclusive-teardown-and-with-massive-driver-problems-at-benchmarks-leak/

[quietvoid]

For some reason Windows Update decided to update my NVIDIA driver to 456.71 from 441 something.
Pretty sure I had DDU disable the updates..

[VBB]

GeForce Hotfix Driver Version 461.51

HTPC relevant fix (sorta LOL) - "LG CX OLED TVs (2020) are not recognized as G-SYNC Compatible displays"

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5158

[Bello]

something is similar happened to me when I tried to update my all drive I am having issue's in updating it and I have also search a lot but I doesn't found anything which is helpful but now after visiting this post I think I got solved my issue.

[GTPVHD]

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5159/

Something Nvidia users should read.

[Asmodian]

Yes, the recommendation for madVR has always been to leave the driver V-sync set to "Use the 3D application setting"

Edit:
It sounds like a nice upgrade for the Windows DWM.

[huhn]

microsoft is working for a while now to improve mix refreshrate setups this maybe the final fix this is really big.

[SamuriHL]

I've always had vsync on. I've never had any success with stable refresh rates in madvr with it disabled.

[Asmodian]

How about with it set to "Use the 3D application setting"?

That has always been the most trouble free option in my experience.

[VBB]

These days, I don't touch anything in the 3D settings.

[darksen]

I had to go back to 457.51 again after installing 461.40 because I had crackling in audio, lately all drivers have issues, don't they? I remember with 460.79/89 I had audio desynchronization in all the video players and crackling too (I haven't tested playing videos with 461.40 but chances are the desync still remains in that version).

[Asmodian]

I have never had audio desync or crackling audio due to Nvidia's drivers. :confused:

[ryrynz]

I had to go back to 457.51 again after installing 461.40 because I had crackling in audio

457.51 uses audio driver version 1.3.38.35, 461.40 uses 1.3.38.40.

Install the new driver then afterwards revert the audio driver in the driver manager to the old version.

[el Filou]

That's strange, does the crackling/desync happens with all audio or only with bitstream? On what card? If it also happens with system/browser/games audio, what format is set in Windows audio config?
I don't have any problems with 1.3.38.40 but I'm only using LPCM at 24/48 (still on Windows 1909).

[Klaus1189]

Please let me know if there is anything to add on first page regarding the crackling audio.

Is there a RX6000 user out there who reads this thread? I need some info.

[clsid]

Audio crackling/desync can be due to DPC latency issues.
https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

[Snowknight26]

Is there a RX6000 user out there who reads this thread? I need some info.

Let me know what you need.

[Klaus1189]

The RX5000 series has a 0-255 vs 16-235 bug. A workaround for it is to use madVR or MPC-VR with D3D11 option checked.
If you could check if this issue is also present in RX6000 would be awesome. And to check the deinterlacer of it would be good.

Make sure you have a TV in pc mode which wants 0-255 and play a video in MPC-BE or also MPC-HC and check the black levels. Are the blacks elevated or black as it should be. In MPC-BE, probably also in MPC-HC there is an option in "Video" Tab in options which lets you override the output range. Does this setting make a difference if you choose 0-255 and then 16-235?

For the deinterlacer test you need to download:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12wO8NJbIrfa2MD4yVaA38RrBBdziCda8/view
Play it and check the charakters above "www.D88.com" for flickering:
https://wst.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/D88.com_.jpg
Flickering like here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Indian_Head_interlace.gif
If you use LAV Filters use DXVA2 copyback, but not D3D11 for deinterlaing test.

[Snowknight26]

The flickering when using GPU deinterlacing is still there. Haven't tested the black level issue, I'll check another time.

[Klaus1189]

Thanks for deinterlacing test. I am looking forward for the elevated black level test. Do it when you want to do it. Cheers ;)

[Klaus1189]

Did you disable Software Deinterlacing in LAV Filters? This is mandatory for GPU Deinterlacing test.

[Snowknight26]

Did you disable Software Deinterlacing in LAV Filters? This is mandatory for GPU Deinterlacing test.

I did. As I was testing it I even noticed the flickering with YADIF though it was very subtle.

Edit: Just tested black levels, they're still elevated when using EVR CP.

[Klaus1189]

Thank you for the test. I really appreciate it :)

[darksen]

I have never had audio desync or crackling audio due to Nvidia's drivers. :confused:

Me neither, this is the first time it happened to me, in fact this is the first time I have any problems with the nvidia drivers.

457.51 uses audio driver version 1.3.38.35, 461.40 uses 1.3.38.40.

Install the new driver then afterwards revert the audio driver in the driver manager to the old version.

That's strange, does the crackling/desync happens with all audio or only with bitstream? On what card? If it also happens with system/browser/games audio, what format is set in Windows audio config?
I don't have any problems with 1.3.38.40 but I'm only using LPCM at 24/48 (still on Windows 1909).

I'm not using bitstream, that's what is strange, I'm using the motherboard's built in audio, Nvidia has nothing to do with my system's audio and I don't know why updating the driver makes the sound play like that. The GPU is a 1650 S.

Audio crackling/desync can be due to DPC latency issues.
https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

I will check this but I don't think this is the problem as this has started ever since I updated the driver and it happens every time I update it, the moment I downgrade all the problems disappear.

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The audio desync is still happening with the latest drivers, Windows updated the driver to 461.40 by itself after a reboot and I tried playing a movie in Netflix but the audio desyncs a lot, before this I have to say I had already played the same movie with 457.51 and everything was alright after rebooting and the driver upgrading the problems returned. I have even updated my CPU to a Ryzen 7 3800X but the problem still persists.

[clsid]

DPC latency issues are often due to a driver. If it shows the nvidia driver as culprit then you have confirmation that the driver is responsible.

[Klaus1189]

@darksen:
So last working driver for you is 457.51?
Every newer driver is affected?
Can you make screenshots of the installer? I mean the differences in versions of packages like HD Audio driver version, ...

But how can a grafic driver be the culprit, if you are not using the HD Audio Driver?
Since you are using the analog outputs of your mainboard, right?

[ryrynz]

What about reverting or updating the motherboard audio drivers? Sounds like something you may with to take up with Nvidia/Realtek?/Your motherboard manufacturer.

[Andy o]

Can anyone with a RX6000 card and an LG C9/CX OLED corroborate that it can do QMS, not blanking out for frame rate switches, like this user at AVS has experienced? https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2019-lg-c9%E2%80%93e9-dedicated-gaming-thread-consoles-and-pc.3123168/page-260#post-60426761

[SamuriHL]

[Blu-ray][HDMI]: Flickering occurs in Blu-ray playback when played over HDMI. [3221611]

Ain't that fantastic. At least it's fixed....I guess?

LG CX OLED TVs (2020) are not recognized as G-SYNC Compatible displays.[3244055]

LOL woopsie! :D

[Notebook]: On some Notebooks, the 'Maximum Graphics Power' information missing in the
NVIDIA Control Panel > System Information page. [200697069]

SIGH...

[KrazyLurt]

Nvidia GeForce 461.72 solved 24hz vsync issues for me using Mpv with Vulkan coming from 461.40, not with d3dx11 though.

[Klaus1189]

[Blu-ray][HDMI]: Flickering occurs in Blu-ray playback when played over HDMI. [3221611]

Ain't that fantastic. At least it's fixed....I guess?

I tested the new driver with just updating, no DDU or at least the checked the option to do a clean install and I got screen flickers/ drop out almost one per minute now ... hmm ... at least a change from one per three days to one per minute :D
Now I just installed the new driver with checked clean install and I am gonna see what happens then ... so far no drop out/ flicker on Desktop.

[SamuriHL]

Oh boy that's "encouraging" LOL I haven't installed it on my HTPC yet. I did do my laptop though.

[Warlock]

Driver 461.72

Several desktop applications flicker when Vertical Sync is set to the default “Use the 3D application setting”. [3252186]

Who is using mpc-hc with madvr, this driver solved the problem of stutterings and presentation glitches for which has turing series video card?

[brazen1]

I've been using 461.72 for a couple days now. I've watched several mixed content videos and used many, many desktop applications. The only Manage 3D setting I've changed is Power Management Mode set to Adaptive. With and without madVR fwiw. The flickering and other complaints must be exclusive to elaborate conflicted setups, alpha/beta software, display type and/or choice of GPU. I constantly read complaints yet never experience any of them and the GPU driver is always to blame. Driver works fine here fwiw.

[Klaus1189]

I've been using 461.72 for a couple days now.

Yesterday released :confused:

What GPU do you have? This flickering/dropout/short blackscreen on Desktop and low usage like web browsing is (hopefully was) exclusive to Ampere only to my knowledge. Older generations are fine.

[brazen1]

I got the new driver the evening of the 24th where I am. I used it that evening, yesterday, and today as well. My info including GPU is in my sig where it should be. As stated, The flickering and other complaints must be exclusive to elaborate conflicted setups, alpha/beta software, display type and/or choice of GPU. Furthermore, all these problems could be a bad combination of any of those variables.