AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version

[SamuriHL]

The madvr custom modes has been broken for a LONG time now. If you want to do custom you need to use CRU.

[*MidnightWatcher*]

Performance in 12-bit now with the new drivers is the same as the previous drivers in 8-bit. Only one frame repeated on average during a movie, which is not perfect but pretty close.

[Calvi]

New driver works as good as 442.92 for me.
Zoomplayer osd does not drop out of HDR, same as above.
HDR works perfectly in full screen windowed MadVR/ZP.
And 23 gives me a dropped frame every 1-4 hours which is not perfect but close enough for me.
Will keep these drivers for a while.

[jmone]

Yeah - I spend the better part of this arvo trying to get to 0 dropped / repeated frames (CRU) but could not do better than what the new driver does out of the box, so I'm calling it a day on this (well for now anyway).

[NikosD]

RTX ray tracing is still a bonus feature even after two years of its introduction and not a different, more realistic way to render games.
Only a few games adopted the idea and even fewer added the whole package and not just one or two.
The owners of RTX 20 series Turning cards paid a lot for this hype following the "Just buy it" order of Tom's Hardware and nVidia fan boys.
The new 2nd gen RT cores and the new 3rd gen Tensor cores of Ampere cards don't help so much.
The difference of RTX OFF to RTX ON of Ampere and Turing is less than 10%, so you almost get the same performance drop for these two generations.
No, Ampere generation doesn't have the x2 performance gain compared to Turing for RTX that nVidia says.
It's actually ~10%.
Unfortunately the DLSS performance gain of 3rd gen Tensor cores of Ampere vs 2nd gen Tensor cores of Turning is even worse.
Almost not difference at all.
So no.
Ampere is not a game changer for RTX and DLSS features and that's why nVidia didn't sell these features for its hype.

[Klaus1189]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SO2b_VIOXI

[SamuriHL]

Ray tracing was never going to take off until consoles make it a commodity. Which is what we have now. Most new games coming in the next few years will now support it by default. Having seen what it can do with my own eyes on my 2080 I'm quite excited for this future. Even amd figured out they needed to support it. We'll see how well they did with performance.

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[QBhd]

AMD was always going to support it, it has been part of their "roadmap" for years... they just didn't rush it and try and gouge the consumer by promoting it early as a selling point and a must have technology. Saying AMD "figured out they needed to support it" is a little misleading and makes it sound like they are scrambling to copy NVidia. Don't forget who is working closely with MS/Sony on these consoles, it's AMD; so they have known for years that RT will be in demand for the future. RDNA2 was always going to be where AMD started with RT, and I am glad they did not panic and push it forward in the 5700XT.

QB

[NikosD]

The first leaked gaming review of 3090 is out and it is very, very bad for the flagship card.
The 3090 of 1500$ card is only 5% to 11% faster at 4K than 3080 the 700$ card which is worse than 20% that I speculated here.
The price to performance ratio compared to 3080 could be one of the worse ever for flagship cards.
That's why the objective tech journalists have already started to compare it with 2080 Ti and Titan RTX.

[videoh]

Not everyone interested in these high-end cards is a pimply gamer living in mom's basement. I haven't played a game in decades but still find the cards incredibly useful.

[SamuriHL]

AMD was always going to support it, it has been part of their "roadmap" for years... they just didn't rush it and try and gouge the consumer by promoting it early as a selling point and a must have technology. Saying AMD "figured out they needed to support it" is a little misleading and makes it sound like they are scrambling to copy NVidia. Don't forget who is working closely with MS/Sony on these consoles, it's AMD; so they have known for years that RT will be in demand for the future. RDNA2 was always going to be where AMD started with RT, and I am glad they did not panic and push it forward in the 5700XT.

QBThat's not quite what I meant. I wasn't implying they all of a sudden threw it in there last minute. I simply meant that they've yet to compete at the high end for a very long time and even they know that ray tracing is the next evolution. This has been talked about for 20 years but the tech wasn't powerful enough to go there until now. This is the very beginning of a new era. It's exciting to see these new cards and consoles support it but there's a long way to go here. Nvidia kind of blew any advantage they may have had with 2 years of Turing but there was no way they could drive an entire gaming industry in their own with over priced cards. Now the playing field is level and we'll see if amd can capitalize.

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[chros]

Definitely. BTW, now that I'm thinking about using PC mode again, has anyone ever had an issue with the lack of 5:5 pull down, since Real Cinema is permanently OFF?
No issues with frame rate matched content. But you won't like PC mode, no matter what output you set. :) Even ycbcr 4:4:4 8bit has posterization with this sample (https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2020-lg-cx%E2%80%93gx-dedicated-gaming-thread-consoles-and-pc.3138274/post-59700054), although half of the issues are gone that are present with rgb 12 bit.

[VBB]

chros, see what I just posted over in the OLED thread here, and let me know if you agree with my findings after you test it. Curious to hear what you guys think.

And I agree after having watched a bunch of stuff, the lack of Real Cinema in PC mode is not noticeable.

[jmone]

I wonder if they have plans for a GTX 1660Ti style of card this round (SANS ray tracing and hence at a cheaper price point)? For me the GTX 1660Ti's are a great price point for madVR.

[ryrynz]

I would very much expect so. Could be unlikely next generation though.

[*MidnightWatcher*]

I picked up a used 2070S recently for $300. Very satisfied with its performance over my 1060. I think there comes a point when diminishing returns don't justify spending more on faster cards that have virtually no visible picture quality improvements with madVR and slighter higher settings. For those looking to upgrade a lower end card for madVR, buy a used 20 series and use the money saved for something else.

[chros]

use the money saved for something else.
Good idea! That's why I won't replace my 1060 until it's absolutely necessary :D
Enjoy your new card!

[NikosD]

After reading a few custom 3080 card reviews and the leaked review gaming numbers of 3090, the picture is clear now.

Cards based on the same die of GA102 have all similar performance, no matter what.
Even 3090 is in the same ballpark and custom 3080 cards have almost no added performance to 3080 FE.
The 3080 FE cards are already pushed to their limits, they work on maximum performance.
I expect the same for 3090 custom cards.
So, nVidia is not just afraid.
They are terrified.
They are all in for the Ultimate Play against AMD GPUs.
Maybe now is the time for AMD.
They could have come so close to nVidia, probably closer than the last decade.
The next 40 days look too far away like leaks regarding Big Navi performance.
One of the best kept secrets of the industry and most anticipated ones.
They haven't said "poor Volta" or something similar this time, let's hope they are serious.
They way they handle things this time could bring a lot of frustration if RDNA2 is not competitive with Ampere.
More than ever...

[chros]

If RDNA2 won't be fast enough then they will sell it cheaper and there you go, we got a competitive product :) It's all about the price.
About nvidia, I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?! :)

[Klaus1189]

I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?! :)

Exactly that is driving me crazy for the past week.

And 10% plus performance of the 3090 over the 3080 for 1500€ vs. 700€ ...

[SamuriHL]

I'm not buying a 3090 that's for sure. I want a 3080 founders edition.

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[huhn]

why would you want one of these terrible founders editions...

[butterw2]

Its all about available price, genuine features and stable performance, not gimmicks, marketing tricks and manufactured hype.

[SamuriHL]

Cause I don't think they're terrible. The new cooler design is effective and performance seems to be slightly above some of the tested AIB cards so far. I have a 2070 FE that I love.

[huhn]

so a cheaper card that has massively lower temps and notable lower rpm on the better cooler is not clearly better?

it'S normal for the memory to reach 104 on a 3080 FE... that 6 missing for thermal throttling while even early tested cheap AIB are at 60-70.

the 2000 series was worse you pay 100 extra for a relative bad cool and pretty much no chance to re paste the card because the construction is terrible.

there are some good niche things about them. it's easy to get a water block and the VRM are never bad for extreme over clocking. but that's it the cooler performance is underwhelming the price is a joke and the construction an insult.

[nevcairiel]

The FE with its industrial design looked good at first, and its still the best FE NVIDIA ever made, but at least the better AIB cards beat it by a rather large margin still both on temps and noise. Not sure about entry-level AIB cards.

[huhn]

asus tuf was tested and it has a MSRP at 700 (not that it means anything at the moment sadly) and it was better at pretty much every metric sometimes by quite a margin. the VRM are technically worse but that doesn't matter if you are not going to like sub zero overclocking which was for obvious reason not tested (FE could win there).

[SamuriHL]

The asus cards are on my list. Right now availability is what matters most to me. But I'm seriously considering the tuf of tuf oc if I can find one. I could end up with a zotac for all I know. Lol

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[el Filou]

1 Repeated Frame in 2hrs of playback (Decoding Audio and Running JRivers "Video Clock") [...] historically, Video Clock would give me 0 Dropped/Repeated frames. Maybe JRiver Video Clock needs a tweak to work a bit better with this new driver???I don't own JRiver so can't tell, but I'm using ReClock which works on the same principle, and if I install a new driver that changes the display mode timings I have to clear ReClock's timings database so it can re-learn the clock timings of the new driver. If I don't do that it doesn't sync correctly. Maybe JRiver needs something similar.About nvidia, I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?! :)I'm not shocked, they used the biggest die usually reserved for the TITAN, they're just selling it to more reasonable price. In the past that spot in the portfolio was taken by the dual GPU cards that were sold for about the same price and had 300+ TDPs too. The better (i.e. liquid) cooled version of Vega 64 was 345W.
It's not ideal, but nothing we've not already seen. (Edit: now, of course the problem NVIDIA possibly has is performance/watt, the reviews of the 3070 will be interesting)

[chros]

Well, the previous 3 gen Titans (Maxwell, Pascal, Turimg) were 250W this is 80W more, that's huge! And the 3080 corresponds to the xx80Ti that have even less W.
I don't think that the 3070 will be weak, these cards are beasts :)

[huhn]

thanks for the 23p reports i had to two times purge the driver to get it working correctly on my system again. this should maybe be remembered so a user with bad "timing" can try to DDU to fix this.

at the second try i used the none DCH driver.

[NikosD]

I really DON'T LIKE the news/leaks/rumors regarding the upcoming Big Navi release.

It seems, according to many rumors, that second best RDNA2 based die will have 40CUs - the Navi22
This is exactly the same number of CUs as RDNA Navi10 die of 5700.

But we already know that 3080 is around 100% faster than 5700 XT

So we need what AMD promised for the Big Navi - Navi21- the x2 die of Navi10 which means 2x40 = 80CUs
This seems to be impossible to happen if Navi22 is 40CUs.
If, eventually, the Big Navi release goes like this:
1) Big Navi21 -> 60-64 CUs
2) Navi22 -> 40 CUs
3) Navi23 -> 32-36 CUs

then it's probably going to be a fiasco.

What IPC gain and clock increase is required for the RDNA2 vs RDNA in order to reach Ampere using the above number of CUs ?

It doesn't look feasible to reach Ampere's performance using this number of CUs.

[Ejziponken]

Using latest nvidia driver and the HDR isn't 100% fixed. The gui menu still takes me out of HDR without exclusive fullscreen even when set to 8 bit in madvr and nvidia.
Also Im getting new bugs like when minimizing mpc running a HDR movie, my TV gets really weird colors, until I close the app or go fullscreen again.

I tried to reinstall twice using DDU.

[JonnyVee]

I’ve been a long time MadVR user and I’ve always used it paired with a Nvidia GPU. Most recently a 2080Ti, which I sold 3 months ago while prices were still favorable.

The lack of supply for the 3080 (and overpriced 3090 and gimped 10 GB model rather than 20 GB) has me thinking of an AMD 6900XT.

I’m sure it’ll be fine for 60+ fps gaming and VR for my son — but the only thing I care about is MadVR for 1080p to 4k upscaling and 4K HDR to SDR conversion. Am I giving anything up in MadVR by going with AMD over Nvidia from a MadVR perspective?

I have a JVC x790 and 120” Stewart G4 130.

[huhn]

it's a card that does not exist so we don't know currently AMD can do about 99 % of all feature nvidia can do.

if you are using the option send BT.2020 to control the wide gamut filter then this will be lost. until madshi adds it if i can be added and that could take a while.

i would personally think more about gaming issue than madVR issues with amd.

[QBhd]

..... Am I giving anything up in MadVR by going with AMD over Nvidia from a MadVR perspective? ...

I've been a happy AMD user for... ever!

Currently rocking a 5700XT.

As huhn said, there is the report 2020 thingy, but I have no idea what it is used for and I can say my OLED paired with the 5700XT works flawlessly

QB

[NoTechi]

Am I giving anything up in MadVR by going with AMD over Nvidia from a MadVR perspective?

Same as QB and I am coming from a 1080. As for madvr I did not had to change any settings when switching to the 5700XT (I never used send Bt2020 with my JVC 7900).

Upgrading the gpu with more power for madvr might be still beneficial but I doubt it would be a big wow effect and most non pixel counting users most likely would not even recognize it :p

Next to already mentioned still supported 3D I just recently discovered that AMD driver has a build in support (ReLive for VR) to enable VR glasses like my Oculus Quest headset to play PC VR games like Half Live wirelessly which works really great and is an additional plus on the AMD side in regards to my personal needs.

If I would update it would be just for gaming and most likely it would be one of the upcoming AMDs. Being able to use higher settings in madvr would be just a side effect. But to be honest I am not in a hurry since I am really happy with my setup atm :)

NoTechi

[Klaus1189]

8K gaming :rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo

[Manni]

I’ve been a long time MadVR user and I’ve always used it paired with a Nvidia GPU. Most recently a 2080Ti, which I sold 3 months ago while prices were still favorable.

The lack of supply for the 3080 (and overpriced 3090 and gimped 10 GB model rather than 20 GB) has me thinking of an AMD 6900XT.

I’m sure it’ll be fine for 60+ fps gaming and VR for my son — but the only thing I care about is MadVR for 1080p to 4k upscaling and 4K HDR to SDR conversion. Am I giving anything up in MadVR by going with AMD over Nvidia from a MadVR perspective?

I have a JVC x790 and 120” Stewart G4 130.

The issue with AMD vs nVidia isn't what it can do now, but what it can do when/if Madshi starts using tensor cores in new algos, though there is no guarantee that these will end up in madVR, or even that this will happen.

In any case, madshi has for a while been recommending nVidia RTX over GTX or AMD for this reason, and it's an RTX that's in Envy. Make what you want of this, but it's not hard to imagine that more testing/optimisation will be done with nVidia RTX than with anything else.

So depending on how long you want to keep your GPU and what ends up being supported in madVR that might take advantage of tensor cores, going for AMD might be a problem, or not.

The BT2020 flag is a far bigger issue now, but that's only relevant if you calibrate and need madVR to tell an HD Fury which calibration it should select automatically in your projector/display, or if your projector/display needs this info to switch to the correct mode when tonemapping HDR to SDR.

I've resolved the gimped 10Gb by trying an EVGA 3090 XC3 (delivery expected on the 5th of October), but if I'm not happy with it or if it doesn't fit in my case, I'll wait until the 20gb 3080 (ti/super/whatever) is available.

It should cost around 1000-1200, which isn't that much cheaper than the $1500 for the 3090, which I'll be using for other stuff than madVR or gaming by the way. There is no way I'll get a 10gb 3080, or anything less powerful than a 3080 to replace my 11gb 1080ti. I'm happy to stay with my 1080ti for as long as necessary...

[huhn]

there seems to be a major issue in the current driver i'm currently figuring out if it is general or only affecting some GPU like pascal.

DDU or clean install could be a major issue with that driver.

[NikosD]

Using Tensor cores for madVR sounds like a joke.
A bad joke actually.

[huhn]

using cores for neural network operation in a video render full with neural network scaler is a bad joke...

edit: about the bug. the following thing is what i encounter and i sadly need other user to reproduce it to confirm it.

i have the following issue with 456.38 the power management mode is ignored so if you are using ddu or use the clean installation option in the driver you will be stuck with optimal power.

so how did i "proof" this.
i contacted nvidia support because my GPU was stuck at 800 mhz with madVR playback the usually issue with optimal performance even through i changed this setting.
i just followed his orders by installing an older driver and setting some very question settings in the nvidia control panel and "prefer maximum performance" as he ordered. after that "worked" i was supposed to install the newest driver again. and it works now but i'm stuck at maximum performance the GPU is idle at 1.5 GHZ.

so what i like to get a report from some user here is if maximum performance works on your system and the idle GPU clock is int he GHZ range if your driver was not at maximum performance before.

if you would excuses me i have to install 452.22 set it to adaptive and install 456.38. "fun"

[chros]

8K gaming :rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo
:D I saw that as well, it's a big fat joke just as we thought.

[NikosD]

... it's a big fat joke just as we thought. We ? Who's we ?

[huhn]

pretty much everyone here sad just ignore it is just expensive and has use cases for professionals that's it.

[NikosD]

3090 is a disaster.

It needs around 375W (custom 3090 is over 400W) and 1500$ to be 10% faster than 3080 of 700$ card in 4K gaming.

If 4K is a niche for most people, then 8K gaming is extra-terrestrial right now.
No monitors and most games are not ready for this resolution.

8K gaming is feasible mainly using DLSS enabled games using this new "Ultra performance" mode, rendering the game in 1440p and upscaling to 8K using 9x (!) upscaling.

Also, it's not a professional card.
Very far from it.
Steve from Gamers Nexus is not right on this one.

It's a lot slower than Turing TITAN RTX in applications like CAD, Design etc.
nVidia didn't enable driver optimizations of Quadro cards to a Geforce card like 3090, as it did with Titan series.

The result is a much slower card even than Turing Titan RTX in these cases.

Also, 3090 card has very slow FP64 performance and doesn't support GPU virtualization/sharing using SR-IOV.

nVidia probably reserved these things for Ampere Titan of 3000$

So, no.
Most of the users of this forum were wrong.
3090 is not a replacement of Titan cards.

It could be used only by content creators using Blender or other rendering software or video editing of 8K or any productivity app workload that can't fit in 10GB of 3080 VRAM.
Because the chip and the drivers are exactly the same for 3080/3090, with disabled features of real professional SW.

Prosumer Titan and professional Quadro users doing CAD, Design, AI Training should wait for 3000$ Titan Ampere or Quadro Ampere to do their job.

So if 3090 doesn't worth it for gaming and doesn't have professional/ workstation drivers for what is it worth ?

Ask the leather-jacket-man.

Or even better -gamers, prosumers, professionals could wait for RDNA2 cards.
I hope this time AMD will grab the opportunity.

[Polopretress]

using cores for neural network operation in a video render full with neural network scaler is a bad joke...

edit: about the bug. the following thing is what i encounter and i sadly need other user to reproduce it to confirm it.

i have the following issue with 456.38 the power management mode is ignored so if you are using ddu or use the clean installation option in the driver you will be stuck with optimal power.

so how did i "proof" this.
i contacted nvidia support because my GPU was stuck at 800 mhz with madVR playback the usually issue with optimal performance even through i changed this setting.
i just followed his orders by installing an older driver and setting some very question settings in the nvidia control panel and "prefer maximum performance" as he ordered. after that "worked" i was supposed to install the newest driver again. and it works now but i'm stuck at maximum performance the GPU is idle at 1.5 GHZ.

so what i like to get a report from some user here is if maximum performance works on your system and the idle GPU clock is int he GHZ range if your driver was not at maximum performance before.

if you would excuses me i have to install 452.22 set it to adaptive and install 456.38. "fun"
I confirm you that a contact of mine who has tried the 456.38 has the same behavior.
No management of the selected power mode. only stuck at the last value applied with the previous driver version.
(where is the validation team and no regression tests database on nvidia side ? ...)

It seems also that CRU is not working anymore (by the extensions blocks and displayID )

[Manni]

@NikosD

Any chance you could calm down a bit and stop the misinformation?

Custom 3090 GPUs don't all need more than 375W. Apart from the fact that I like EVGA support and 3 year warranty, I chose the XC3 because it only needs 2 8-pin power and draws a max of 375W. It's also smaller than the 3090FE, so I hope that it will fit in my case.

375W is in full load. It will draw a lot less otherwise.

Why are you so worked up about companies strategies? They are not your friend or mine. There is nothing personal. They have a single goal: maximising profits for their shareholders. AMD is no more friendly than nVidia. Who cares who is making a GPU, as long as it's the best choice for your needs?

Anyway, re your other points, I don't really play games, I don't have the time, though I occasionally play fairly old games with my daughter. Apart from madVR, I plan to use the 3090 with Flight Simulator 2020 (in 4K) and for video editing and post-production work in 4K/8K workflows (I use studio drivers). Both applications need more than 10Gb, so there are definitely some use cases for it, even if it's often more a want than a need.

If people are stupid enough to buy them to play games in "8K", then it's their problem, but I don't think many do that. Currently the 3090 is the best solution for my needs, especially as I don't upgrade often. I bought my 1080ti in 2017, I have zero interest in Turing due to the lack of HDMI 2.1 and I'm hoping to keep the 3090 (if it fits in my case) for at least 2-3 years. AMD is not even on the table due to the lack of tensor cores and BT2020 flag support, so it's nice to not even care about what they might release next month. They could release a card more powerful than the 3090 for half the price, they would still not get my money :)

When/if madVR starts using tensor cores, I want to be able to make the most of it, instead of having to upgrade once more. And being able to set the BT2020 flag is a requirement for me. I don't switch gamut or calibration manually in my cinema room, sorry. I start a film with my remote control or my iPad, and HD Fury does the rest.

Sure, I'd rather buy a 3080ti with 20Gb for 30% less money, as that would suit my needs just as well, but we don't know when it will materialise, in which quantity, and the time I waste looking on forums and resellers to find out or secure a new GPU IS money.

On the other hand it's quite nice to have the flagship with full bus and full memory (until Ampere Titan shows up, but I have no interest in that) and to stop thinking about upgrading for a while. I really don't care about overclocking, getting top scores at benchmarking, water-cooling etc.

I managed to snatch a pre-order for the 3090 during the 1-2 hour window it was available (entirely by luck, I thought I'd try once on the 24th). I was able to place an order for the model I wanted - EVGA XC3 Gaming - at the price I was expecting to pay, knowing that I can return it if it doesn't fit my case, so I did it.

My situation is slightly different than most though because it's a business purchase as I use it primarily for work, both with madVR and with video post-production. I get 20% VAT back and I save 20% taxes on company profits, so it costs me in effect 40% less than the full price. It's still expensive, but as a business expense, it's not that bad compared to a high-end laptop, projector or an AVR. I certainly wouldn't recommend a 3090 to anyone who doesn't need one and can't wait for the 3080 20Gb. I'm curious to see how much my CPU will be a bottleneck for my use case, I expect it will be. I've budgeted an upgrade to Rocket Lake next year if necessary. Again, I don't upgrade often, and I've been waiting for Intel to implement PCI 4.0 to do so, only if I need to.

Buying a 3080 with 10Gb for anything but 4K video feels short-sighted to me, many games already need more than that, so to me it's a worse choice than the 3090, even if the 3090 completely loses on the value for money side.

But we're all different, with different needs, priority, preferences and budgets.

Couldn't you accept that what's good for you might not be best for someone else, and vice-versa, and please could you stop the AMD fanboy rants?

In any case, I suggest that you start a new thread if you really want to keep going that way, because this brand war has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, and it's getting boring, frankly.

I subscribed to this thread to follow potential driver issues, not to hear fanboys ranting about their most-hated or favorite brand, or to have to justify my purchase. If AMD was giving me what I wanted, I'd most happily buy AMD. I had a Sapphire 7870 before the 1080ti and I was very happy with it (until they changed their drivers and made changing advanced video settings impossible, but that's another story).

I also tried a few AMD GPUs for my EGPU as they would be a better choice on my Macbook Pro when using MacOS, but they were all pants in Bootcamp so I sent them back.

Anyway, thanks for considering giving us a break!

[NikosD]

@Manni

I don't know if this thread is suitable for GPU discussions but the last days I have clearly stopped writing a lot of posts and certainly my posts are not so huge like yours.

You are definitely an anti-AMD guy even considering buying Rocket Lake on 2021, a non-existent CPU not mentioned anywhere officially and you didn't even mention Zen 3.

You are an Intel fanatic and anti-AMD fanatic.
That's why you cared so much replying to me with a huge post.

Also, a rather large part of your post is trying desperately to justify the worse buy ever - the 3090 card.

Are you serious saying to people that you bought a 3090 card for madVR and business ?
Are you serious that Tensor cores could be used outside very specific purposes like DLSS from Geforxe RTX cards ?
Who is saying such garbage ?

You are definitely misleading people by justifying the huge power consumption of 3080/3090 cards.

There are custom 3090 cards with 420W TDP.
Do you know what you are talking about ?

The strategies of companies like Intel, nVidia, AMD have serious impacts in our pockets and the industry in general.

We have free market system and everyone can burn his money to garbage like 3090 cards - no doubt about it.

But we have to say loud and clear that the only reason to justify buying a 3090 cars is just this - because you have money.

Posts like this one above make me wanna write even more about this subject.
Posts from nVidiatel fanatics.

[Manni]

All right, I thought there was hope with you, I was wrong. :)

I'm out of this discussion. And yes, I work in film and as a consultant for madVR Labs (though what I post here are my words), so the 3090 is 100% a business purchase. MS FlightSim 2020 is just for fun at the end of the day :)

EDIT: as for Intel vs AMD, when AMD starts supporting Thunderbolt in more than a couple motherboards, I might consider it. In the meantime, for video editing, especially with After Effects, a threadripper is a waste of money and Intel provides better performance at the same price point. I don't expect this to change with Rocket Lake (https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/144445-intel-rocket-lake-system-pcie-40-nvme-ssd-spotted/), but if it does, I'll reconsider. I use Intel because it's better for my needs, not because it's Intel. I mention Rocket Lake because I want (for my needs) PCI 4.0 and Thunderbolt 4.0, and as far as I know only Intel will provide that next year.