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garb

19th December 2020, 13:08

Hello all.

Long time lurker and long time madVR user.
Ever since upgrading to the latest Nvidia driver (460.79 at the time), I've been having HDR issues.
Specs:
GTX 1070
i7-6700k
16GB DDR4
Windows 10-64 Pro 1903 Build
TV:
Samsung NU7100. 4k display.
Software:
MPC-BE + LAV Filters + madVR + ReClock

Windows HDR setting is set to off. madVR set to passthrough HDR to display. Also checked "set HDR metadata to the display".

Whenever I playback an HDR source, the screen goes black for a second and comes back with much lower brightness. The media displayed also has washed out colors. When I go to fullscreen, the colors are no longer washed out and the media being played is displayed correctly. However, when I hover over the seek bar, the screen goes black for a second and then I'm back to the washed out colors in fullscreen. When I no longer hover over the seek bar, it goes black again for a second and the colors are back to normal.

Anyone with similar experiences or fixes?
I thought the latest driver (460.79 at the time) fixed all the prior issues associated with HDR and madVR, but in my experience it hasn't. Really tempted to rollback drivers again.

SamuriHL

19th December 2020, 16:00

Garb that's the new normal behavior for the past I don't know half a dozen or more drivers now. It's not a bug. Appears to be intentional on nvidia's part. Everything is fine if you're fullscreen and don't touch it. Otherwise it drops back to sdr temporarily.

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VBB

19th December 2020, 19:43

And the workaround for that behavior is to use full-screen exclusive mode by checking that option in madVR and also checking "disable fullscreen optimizations" in the media player executable properties (right-click on file or shortcut -> properties -> compatibility). This is not really recommended, though, because you lose the GUI and seek bar, and FSE can cause other issues in Windows 10.

QBhd

20th December 2020, 00:50

I love FSE... but I also don't want a GUI or a seek bar :) I still use the skin for PotPlayer that Cruncher did sooo many years ago :)

http://qbstorrents.erebus.feralhosting.com/Doom9/Cruncher.Skin.jpg

QB

garb

20th December 2020, 05:35

Thanks for the replies people!

It's a real shame that it is so finnicky with HDR. Really ruins the whole experience. I've got a LG B6 that has been sleeping for almost a year now because of this HDR mess, and I'm not willing to sacrifice any burn-in possibility while fiddling around with the optimum settings.

I'm at a point in a life where Plug N' Play seems to be my calling.

The Nvidia Shield Pro looks very tempting. Granted it's definitely inferior when upscaling, but waiting for driver fixes (and then break something all over again) is just getting tiresome.

Thanks again everyone.

angmav

20th December 2020, 21:29

Hi there I can confirm new hot fix driver 460.97 using latest windows 20h2 seems to work fine except if you are using 3d fix manager to install 3d drivers if you have 3d enabled in Nvidia control panel hdr won’t kick when using Madvr Mpc be
I never noticed before if it exhibited the same behaviour
At first I thought latest driver was not working

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brandon78

21st December 2020, 22:36

Hello.

I just built my first HTPC primarily to use MadVR for DTM. I am running a GTX 1660 Ti. Which firmware should I be using? I reviewed the OPs but am not sure what to use. Thank you and sorry for my ignorance!!

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VBB

21st December 2020, 22:51

The latest hotfix driver 460.97 will work just fine for most use cases: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5145/~/geforce-hotfix-driver-version-460.97

brandon78

21st December 2020, 22:58

The latest hotfix driver 460.97 will work just fine for most use cases: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5145/~/geforce-hotfix-driver-version-460.97

Thank you!

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webbo

24th December 2020, 13:56

Hello mates & everyone
Does the new hotfix 460.97 - also fix the annoying within-Windows (desktop) flicker of the screen?
Or did my display went rogue on me?

Anyone else experience these while on 460.89 ?
Thank you

Klaus1189

24th December 2020, 18:34

Merry Christmas everyone :)

I encountered today a black screen/flicker ??? with my new RTX30 card with installed 460.89 :eek:

I installed 460.97 and look if it happens again. Never had this on a Nvidia card, but I must admit, it has been a while ... 4 years since I have owned one.

Klaus1189

24th December 2020, 18:48

just happened again, yeah. Nvidia ....

VBB

24th December 2020, 23:39

Klaus1189

25th December 2020, 00:35

Desktop usage, watching video in browser or playing video in windowed MPC-BE, doesn‘t matter which Renderer - EVR, MPC VR or madVR

Aleksoid1978

25th December 2020, 01:47

Using Nvidia 1650 + 460.89 + MPC VR + HDR passthrough - all good. MPC VR do on/off HDR mode in system.

webbo

25th December 2020, 11:26

@both of you guys: Is this when watching a video or playing a game? HDR or SDR? No flickering here with any driver version.

And to everyone: It would be really, really helpful if you could put ALL your gear in your sig...

MERRY XMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

Flickering while on using the desktop / browsing / just randomly. Actually, when watching any videos on the HDTV (2nd output form GPU), nothing like is happening.

clsid

25th December 2020, 16:25

Desktop flickering is a known driver bug. Just look at nvidia forum.

Klaus1189

25th December 2020, 16:27

Using Nvidia 1650 + 460.89 + MPC VR + HDR passthrough - all good. MPC VR do on/off HDR mode in system.

Thanks for reply. It only happens randomly and only after many hours of pc running. It is like a black screen but only for very short time. One can call it flickering, just like webbo described it.

Today I haven't had a flicker. We will see.

quietvoid

26th December 2020, 03:05

I've installed 460.89 and it totally broke my playback. After a couple seconds, it starts repeating/dropping frames and it's unwatchable.
Back to 441 for me. On a 970, madVR and MPC-BE.

It also made the player take much longer to close, and sometimes it just doesn't close at all and stays in HDR.

SamuriHL

26th December 2020, 04:25

You should try the hotfix. It fixes a lot of things.

Klaus1189

26th December 2020, 14:32

Yesterday no flicker, but it just flickered 3 times in 15 minutes, so I DDUed and installed latest HF 460.97 new. We'll see.

SamuriHL

26th December 2020, 15:25

My advice was for quietvoid but maybe it'll help you, too. I really wish nvidia could get it's s*** together on these drivers and cards.

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Klaus1189

26th December 2020, 16:25

Can I help Nvidia with this issue, I mean can I open an issue and deliver them a log file created by the driver or else? I mean Nvidia seems to be more serious about their stuff.
I created some stuff on AMD site and I got ignored and still isn't fixed months later. Although minor stuff but also more important ones.

Funny thing, I can buy whatever I like, I get crap all the time. I got another RTX30 card and it showed the same issues (short blackscreen/flicker and the playback issues I mentioned on MPC-BE thread), so the card I still have is not a defective one, it will be a driver issue. But gaming is really, really nice with that one, I must admit that :D

SamuriHL

26th December 2020, 17:26

Don't make me "respond" to that, Klaus! :P I've been trying to get my hands on a 3080 since they came out. I stopped looking a couple weeks ago and am going to try to get myself a 3080 ti for my b-day in February. As for the driver issues, who knows how to help them help you. Definitely open an issue with them if you can.

quietvoid

26th December 2020, 19:02

SamuriHL

26th December 2020, 19:37

Oh great! Thus proving my point about hotfix updates. For crying out loud nVidia.....

webbo

26th December 2020, 22:02

Desktop flickering is a known driver bug. Just look at nvidia forum.

Well, looking at nVidia's forum didn't fix this, only reverting back to 442.74 helped & fixed the flickering

Tbh, i'm so sick with nVidia. I would like to ask about Radeon alternative? I'm talking about video playback, especially 4K with HDR situations. Does the madVR & Radeon fare better or... ?
Thanks for your input on this

Manni

28th December 2020, 00:50

The 460.97 hotfix does fix the issue I had, however now it completely changes when HDR is enabled :(
It's going to be harder to compare since it's now necessary to go into fullscreen, otherwise there's no HDR.

The hotfix broke HDR here (nvAPI with madVR). I had to revert to the latest studio 460.89.

I left all the default settings (including "normal" for power) and with 1 frame in advance it seems to be working fine, though I only have limited testing time at the moment. I was just trying to put my HTPC back in action on the Ryzen, and it's mostly there.

justcheeze

28th December 2020, 08:23

Anyone with Nvidia getting audio dropouts? I recently just upgraded to a 3070, and both with this new and previous driver, I'm getting dropouts bitstreaming audio, most prominently with TrueHD Dolby Atmos, on CLSID's MPC-HC 64-bit 1.9.8 with both internal LAV 0.74.1.75 and external nightly 0.74.1.92. Rest of my hardware is in my sig. LAV external tried at default settings, except ticking the bitstreaming checkboxes, and switching to DXVA2 (to avoid presentation glitches, but dropouts don't improve when switching video decoders anyway).

A bit more info, I was using a GTX 1650 Super previously, without issues. eARC into the LX503. Also I'm running 119.88 Hz 12-bit into the C9, but I also tried switching to 8-bit, like it was with the 1650 and there's still dropouts. I've tried the CableMatters 48Gbps (not certified) and now I'm using the Zeskit 3m 48Gbps certified cable, with the same results.

Hi, did you ever got this issue fixed?

Coincidentally, I've been having sporadic audio drop outs too particularly with Atmos and sometimes even DTS HD tracks. The drops are very brief, like half a sec tops and it happens very randomly. There is no way to accurately reproduce the problem because seeking back to the frame where audio drops doesn't repeat the issue.

It's weird that lossy tracks (DD, DD+, DTS) are fine and even PCM has no issue.

*MidnightWatcher*

28th December 2020, 09:11

Have you tried the official stable 0.74.1 LAV filters?

Klaus1189

29th December 2020, 08:21

When using RX 5000 cards with EVR (CP) or MPC VR (without D3D11 checked!) then the blacks are elevated (0-255 vs 16-235). This has always been the case. I want to summarize it and need to know how exactly I could write it. Is this problem D3D9 in the the drivers or what is the common background?

I will test my old RX480 8GB card in this case today, but I already know that the deinterlacer works just fine on the RX480, it is motion adaptive. Good testvideo:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12wO8NJbIrfa2MD4yVaA38RrBBdziCda8/view
Watch for flickering like https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeilensprungverfahren#/media/Datei:Indian_Head_interlace.gif on the logo:
https://wst.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/D88.com_.jpg
On RX 5000 cards the deinterlacer is not working good and is not motion adaptive.

justcheeze

29th December 2020, 08:25

Have you tried the official stable 0.74.1 LAV filters?

Yes. I tried from 0.74.1 latest stable version and EVERY nightly release all the way up to 0.74.1-92. Also have tried with every Nvidia driver since 446.14. Have also tried with MPC-BE, MPC-HC and PotPlayer. All exhibits the audio drop issue.

It's frustrating because I can't pin point the issue to what is causing it.

huhn

29th December 2020, 11:02

the level bug changed multiply times over the year.
it was broken for d3d11 too depending on other factors like P010 SDR.
the deintlacer is not really working at all. the combination of deint and DXVA scaling is just an insult there is no way they even have a QA that ever look at this even once.
for me currently everything that uses AMD video processing(browser EVR-CP and such) is utterly broken.
the preset are undefeatable there is currently no option to disable the magic video stuff: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/dh2-006
under custom there is simply nothing. the reason i posted about the video blocking issue that is not shown in screenshoots.

a logo is BTW. a very bad test to test a deinterlacer.

Klaus1189

29th December 2020, 11:10

I don't have another one :(
But nevertheless I can see if the video is being deinterlaced and if the logo flickers I know the deinterlacer is not motion adaptive.
Do you or anybody else have a good testvideo for motion adaptive deinterlacer?

huhn

29th December 2020, 11:22

i posted a telecine video sample here before but sure:
https://www.hdpvrcapture.com/wordpress/?page_id=97
first ones i could found EVR none CP deals with them not totally bad.

i can still reproduce this insult of image quality with https://abload.de/img/amddeint2mji2.jpg with mpcVR.

Klaus1189

29th December 2020, 11:40

i posted a telecine video sample here before

The thread grew a lot bigger than I thought and can now not find anything fast anymore :(

Can you send me a link to the video source file of the last screenshot, so I can test with my RX480, my RX5700XT and my new RTX30 card? If needed also per PM? Would like to test that and see the differences. :)

I took always the *.M2TS and *.TS file, right? MP4 container is strange for interlaced video, isn't it? I mean MediaInfo posts strange things about it.

huhn

29th December 2020, 11:52

https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1928782&postcount=2167

the container shouldn't matter i'm not aware of modern codecs that needs the container information to identify if the stream is interlaced bff or tff first it is legal to change this in the middle of the video so i guess it has to be part of the video stream.

Aleksoid1978

29th December 2020, 11:54

huhn

29th December 2020, 12:23

you did nothing wrong it's AMD fault.
the file is linked there.

if i disable the DXVA scaler it just stops deinterlacing so i get the same results as madVR.

Klaus1189

29th December 2020, 12:47

@huhn:
Which file do you think is best from your linked testclips (https://www.hdpvrcapture.com/wordpress/?page_id=97)to test frame adaptive feature? To be sure also which container, so we don't talk past each other.

I tried with my Nvidia RTX30 card and use its frame adaptive deinterlacing and then if I use YADIF in LAV, which is a very good deinterlacer, but it is not frame adaptive. I can see it flickering with YADIF, but not with the one of Nvidia.

huhn

29th December 2020, 13:01

just use m2ts (used on BD which use interlacing quite a bit). try the Black Ops clip.it has static objects like the UI with moving parts around it these are good to test frame adaptive deint the moving parts should "flciker" a bit but the UI should be static.

BTW. i just got frame adaptive deint working with madVR no clue how...

Aleksoid1978

29th December 2020, 13:08

you did nothing wrong it's AMD fault.
the file is linked there.

if i disable the DXVA scaler it just stops deinterlacing so i get the same results as madVR.

You can disable just "Use for resizing" - MPC VR will be use shaders for resize but DXVA2/D3D11 VP for convert & deinterlace.

https://i.imgur.com/gzlgeP1.png

huhn

29th December 2020, 13:15

AMD disagrees:
https://abload.de/img/deintpujab.png

Aleksoid1978

29th December 2020, 13:17

AMD disagrees:
https://abload.de/img/deintpujab.png

Ha-ha :)

Klaus1189

29th December 2020, 13:18

On a RX 5700 XT? How? I never achieved that.

I tested that clip, yes same flickering of the ammunition counter when using YADIF in LAV, just like the logo. But I still keep this snooker clip nevertheless, I can clearly see if the deinterlacer works motion adaptive ;)

I tested the RX480 and frame adaptive is indeed working, despite when using Repeat function in MPC-BE then during the second, third, ... playback deinterlacing is off. But with the RTX30 card it is applied as it should. Would be a driver issue, i think.

During I write that, I think I just test it again with MPC-BE set it up to play 5 instead of default 1 in options. I am gonna see. What it does then. So much hassle to do that much testing with different GPUs - Nvidia vs AMD.