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[oldpainlesskodi]

@ DMU - thanks for looking into it. I've tried all the auto HDR exe's, and it's hit and miss. Like I said, thanks for looking.

[mclingo]

i think what he is talking about is not a HDR toggle hopefully, essentially we'd setup our player as normal with MADVR outputting HDR meta data to TV but this executable forces the the output to BT2020, or have i totally misread that from DMU?

The reason this is better is that we can still use tonemapping stuff if we are using the AMD API

[DMU]

can you post a link to the exe, we can trigger it from a key shortcut while KODI is open, for me this is preferable to using windows HDR API

cheers

Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1t6xOcNtaN70UuU38YktcHeun2LAkBhIz).

i think what he is talking about is not a HDR toggle hopefully, essentially we'd setup our player as normal with MADVR outputting HDR meta data to TV but this executable forces the the output to BT2020, or have i totally misread that from DMU?

The reason this is better is that we can still use tonemapping stuff if we are using the AMD API

The result (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1G73YfJs6bY5XeRCVybX_mbY150iMTUNq) of the executable file.

[mclingo]

hi when i run it reports code execution cannot proceed because - amd_ags_x64.dll was not found

[huhn]

it's in the same compressed folder.

just decompress it and run it without moving the files.

[mclingo]

ok, that works great but its a bit janky as KODI DS loses focus if I run it with KODI open, any chance you could end the command prompt after it siwtches to HDR, I can simply run it again when I close KODI to change it back to SDR, even better split it into two exe's, HDR on and HDR off, then I can auto run HDR with my KODI close command. other than HDR turning on and off twice it works as well as normal - great work !

[DMU]

even better split it into two exe's, HDR on and HDR off
No problem.
Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=12UBbLcIA31efiApUcWiwAXLUubpTWYds).

[mclingo]

marvelous, thanks very much :):):)

[mclingo]

Hi, almost there, that works very well for HDR off, I just close KODI and it turns HDR off at the same time. However when I load HDR_on its not running in the background properly, KODI task switches away from KODI to a black screen, not sure the its fully running in the background or I have some odditty with my PC.

[mclingo]

full screen window in KODI DS fixes that, however I cant use that as I get slight playback glitches with it on, this started with WIN 10 1809.

i'll go back to tone map to SDR for now I think, thanks very much indeed for the time you spent on this though.

[oldpainlesskodi]

@DMU - thanks for your effort and trying, it's appreciated.

[chros]

It’s better to add an executable file to the HDR madVR profile that will activate the BT.2020 color space on TV and set the most common metadata for movies. For example, MDL = 1000, etc. I can do this if you want.

Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1t6xOcNtaN70UuU38YktcHeun2LAkBhIz).

Be aware that (at least) LG responds differently to different hdr metadata (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/2962814-2018-lg-oled-calibration-user-settings-no-price-talk-120.html#post58739264) values.
At least 2018 models works best with MDL and maxCLL 700 and setting this value in madvr with hdr output and pixelshader tonemapping. In 2019 models the peak can be set via a util but defaulting to 700 as well, other brands need to be tested.

[mclingo]

madshi has resurfaced on the tone mapping thread, have a look at this response to a query, do you think this could help with the 5700 BT2020 issue?


question :

We wanted to test the 112b beta on a JVC Z1 laser beamer with AMD Fluid Motion frame interpolation.

Unfortunately the Blusky Frame Converter or the ne AMD driver does not support BT.2020 anymore. So madvr shows REC.709. Is there a way to force madvr to recognize BT.2020 ?

answer:


You can use file name tagging like "movie [hdr=on, matrix=2020, primaries=2020].mkv", if that helps?

[el Filou]

I think that's a workaround for when madVR can't detect the correct input metadata (in this case because an intermediate filter strips/changes it).
In the case of the AMD issue, madVR is well aware of the correct input metadata but it's the output to the display that is incorrectly flagged.

[mclingo]

thanks for the explanation....lol, is my desperation to get this fixed showing :)

[el Filou]

I've seen you've posted on AMD forums about this, but have you or DMU tried using this form: https://www.amd.com/en/support/contact-email-form to file an official bug report?
NVIDIA has an official form to report bugs, but this is the closest thing I've found on AMD's site.

[huhn]

i called them "doesn't sound important" was pretty much the answer.

if you do such a thing do it technically don't make screenshots.

beware they are getting flooded right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pboDbxogSw4
wrong meta data is nothing compared to a crashing driver.

BTW: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-20-1-1
Some Radeon RX 5700 series graphics users may intermittently experience a black screen while gaming or on desktop. A potential temporary workaround is disabling hardware acceleration in applications running in the background such as web browsers or Discord.

[DMU]

I've seen you've posted on AMD forums about this, but have you or DMU tried using this form: https://www.amd.com/en/support/contact-email-form to file an official bug report?
NVIDIA has an official form to report bugs, but this is the closest thing I've found on AMD's site.

I am not sure this is a issue. Perhaps they (AMD) believe that they are doing everything right. I asked them a question here (https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/AGS_SDK/issues/33), but they are silent.
I am confused by the fact that the Polaris GPU's (RX series) send the correct flag on TV.
huhn is right, they now have a lot of reports from gamers.

[mclingo]

ive logged two faults with AMD, a second time only because i didnt hear anything, still silence. I've logged it a couple of times on their forum as well.

[claw]

I found that the current Nvidia 441.87 DCH driver for Windows 10 seems to have possible performance issues compared to earlier versions when running MadVR Tone mapping with high settings.

I was using the 436.48 Windows 7/8 driver with good render times in MadVR of 28-30 ms with a RTX 2080 Super. This was with my old Windows 8.1 build.

I upgraded my PC with new Z390 motherboard, CPU, SSD, and DDR4 memory and installed Windows 10 Pro. I let GeForce Experience install the current 441.87 driver. My MadVR render times shot up to 40 ms and higher resulting in stutter due to dropped and repeated frames.

Reinstalled Windows 10 and this time manually downloaded and installed the 436.48 DCH driver. MadVR render times are now 30-32 ms instead of 40+. GPU utilization also dropped from 95% to 88%.

[WuNgUn]

Interesting.... Thanks for the feedback.

[ryrynz]

Probably due to power profile and not the actual driver performance.

[VBB]

@claw - In both cases, did you make sure to switch the Nvidia Performance option from "Optimal" to "Adaptive"?

LOL @ryrynz just beat me to it by a few seconds :D

[claw]

@claw - In both cases, did you make sure to switch the Nvidia Performance option from "Optimal" to "Adaptive"?

LOL @ryrynz just beat me to it by a few seconds :D

No, I did not. I did not know this was recommended. I will check on this tomorrow.

[mclingo]

I've tried a different workaround for HDR, I'm finding I much prefer the tone mapped with HDR rather than to SDR, so i've calibrated one of my presets to correct the colour issues, essentially I found that wacking up the saturation and adding a little red got my movies looking normal again, obviously this is a super dirty workaround but I much prefer it to using crappy windows HDR without tone mapping or tone mapping to SDR.

pretty happy with the results.

[el Filou]

So you mean if you enable HDR via Windows, madVR can't tone map and output HDR? What happens if you check the output HDR box while you already enabled HDR in Windows, madVR tries to change the display mode again via the private API?

[mclingo]

Hi, no I dont think it works llike that, thats the first thing i tried, you just get a washed out image like MADVR is sending SDR instead of HDR. I'll try it again with 113 in case anything has changed,

[mclingo]

it could be user error but this works now as long as I still use output as HDR, thats great as I dont need a workround now as I can turn on HDR from a shortcut from my remote.

[oldpainlesskodi]

Can I ask how you do that?

[mclingo]

which bit mate, tooggling HDR/OFF on or MADVR setup?

[oldpainlesskodi]

Toggling HDR

[mclingo]

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8B8NGNOQYG3-ANvQg?e=aswgvS - here is a copy of the file I use, there are lots of ways to do this, look back a few pages.

I use autohotkey to map this exe to a key on my remote so I can START HDR at any time while KODI DS is open, I can then just run it again to turn it off If I want to watch an SDR movie.

[oldpainlesskodi]

Ah, autohotkey - got it, many thanks.

[takenori]

is it normal when playing video with laptop with igpu and nvidia, for both to works?
because i cant seem to get the nvidia gpu to handle madvr, its always fall to igpu while nvidia only handle mpc (with lavfilter directx 11 selected)
both running about 40-50% at taskmanager.

[mclingo]

Ah, autohotkey - got it, many thanks.

Have you tried 113 tone mapping yet, its vastly improved my HDR PQ, contrast recovery works incredibly well for me - i'm using HILL STONG, HHDR has always looked a bit meh on my TV but no it looks great, its not super bright as I only have 400 nits to play with but contrast recovery really improves the dynamics making everything pop.

[oldpainlesskodi]

No not yet, but will take a look

[mclingo]

subjective obviously but I definately see a really nice boost in dynamics, i'll also using highlight recovery high, you can really see this working in Harry Potter goblet of fire where his mum and dad appear from valdamorts wand during the fight at the end, without this all I see is white blobs with very little facial detail, different here is striking - but my TV's own tone mapping might just be pants in general being GEN 1.0 4k HDR OLED

[oldpainlesskodi]

Thanks for the insight, but, on my set up, the Win HDR toggle still wins hands down.

Could be that my set has a nits of 1000, but who knows lol.

[mclingo]

still no HDR fix in 20.1.3, however HDR being too light or two dark in games is a knwn issue now so they may spot this issue when fixing that, fingers crossed.

Fixed Issues
An intermittent black screen or loss of display may occur when performing parallel actions such as web browsing, gaming or watching video.
A limited number of games such as Nioh™, Dragon Quest Builders 2™, WWE™2K20, Dead or Alive 6™ and Atelier Ryza™ may crash or fail to launch.
Wolfenstein™ 2: The New Colossus is not detected in Radeon Software games manager.
Text overflow in some UI boxes or toast messages may be experienced in some language localizations.
Fan Tuning may change back to the default state when switching between available GPUs.
Copy text options are not available in the display specs table for Radeon Software.
An intermittent black screen or loss of display may occur when the system is left idle at desktop.
Factory Reset install may keep previously configured Radeon Software game profiles. This can cause mismatch between global graphics settings and per profile settings.
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Grand Theft Auto™ 5 may experience a system hang or black screen at launch, when opening Radeon Overlay while in game, or after performing a task switch while in game.
Audio may intermittently be missing from Radeon ReLive recordings near the end of recorded clips.
Integer Scaling may cause some video content to show flicker when the display resolution is set to less than native resolution.
Multiple games may have very dark or very bright graphics in game when HDR is enabled in Windows®.
Radeon Anti-Lag enable and disable beep notifications may be played in error when individually pressing keys assigned to the hotkey.
The Radeon Software Overlay hotkey notification may sometimes be displayed during video playback in web browsers or launching some video player applications.
Integer Scaling option is not showing up or available on some Windows®7 system configurations.
Radeon Software may open with an inconsistent size or may not keep its previously set size when opened.
Some Vulkan® gaming applications may crash when performing a task switch with Radeon Image Sharpening enabled.
Some Radeon RX 5700 series graphics users may intermittently experience a black screen while gaming or on desktop. A potential temporary workaround is disabling hardware acceleration in applications running in the background such as web browsers or Discord.

[senzaparole]

Hello guys.
Waiting for an update of the drivers of the RX 5700 XT how can I solve the problem of faded colors?
I use MPC + madVR to play HDR movies and I'm not satisfied with the colors. They are slightly washed out colors.
Do I have to wait for an update of the drivers of the RX 5700 XT or can I do something to improve the colors? I read about a file.exe to install, but I didn't understand how to use it.

[mclingo]

Hi, yes this is a known issue and has been discussed in detail. The easiest woraround is to simply turn HDR on before loading your movie player, then just use MADVR as usual.

However you can toggle it on and off while the video app is loaded, just not while the movie is running, I've set a shortcut on my remote to quickly turn it off and on when required. Here is a quick tool to toggle HDR in windows on and OFF to make this easier foe you - credit for this goes to DMU i think.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij8B8NGNOQYG3-ANvQg?e=jqJ5BZ

[senzaparole]

thanks for the advice.
So I have to set in madVR's HDR "let madVR decide" so madVR doesn't activate HDR.
Do I only activate Windows HDR?

In the video card: color depth 10bit and RGB 4: 4: 4: Pixel Format PC standard (Full RGB)

In madVR:
"PC levels 0-255"
"the native disply bitdepth is 10 bit"

in LG OLED B9 65: high black level

in LAV filter: RGB PC (0-255)

[mclingo]

this is what i thought, no actually, you setup MADVR as normal with tone mapping and output in HDR format etc and then just turn on windows HDR before you play the movie, when you play the movie HDR turns off, then on, then off and on again which is a little disconcerting but it works !

dont forget to use the latest HDR test build though, you extract it and copy straight into the MADVR folder, no install required.


http://madshi.net/madVRhdrMeasure113.zip


Your other settings are identical to mine, there are different ways of getting the black level but using 444full RGB is the better option.

[mclingo]

just found another issue with my RX5700, hope its just something that got messed up with the many different drivers ive installed recently. My 2160p desktop is locked at 2160p60hz 4:2:0 8 bit, there are littlerally no other options. If I drop to 1080p the options are there again, all the usual ones, however I cant select 10 or 12 bit with any options at all in 1080p or 2160p, something is very broken.

I'll do a driver wipe and see if that fixes, however my previous RX580 had no limitations at all beyond the physical limitation of 2160p 4:4:4 10 bit 30hz

[oldpainlesskodi]

All fine here.

[mclingo]

found the issue, this card doesnt like my DP to HDMI converter which is odd as my RX580 had no issues with it, both my recent cards had only one HDMI connect for some utterly stupid reason which forced me to buy this. luckily however I only need one fully working port as my other port is used for a dummy plug for remote access. It is a bug though as like i say it worked fine with my RX580 but at least i'm back to fully working now.

[senzaparole]

just found another issue with my RX5700, hope its just something that got messed up with the many different drivers ive installed recently. My 2160p desktop is locked at 2160p60hz 4:2:0 8 bit, there are littlerally no other options. If I drop to 1080p the options are there again, all the usual ones, however I cant select 10 or 12 bit with any options at all in 1080p or 2160p, something is very broken.

I'll do a driver wipe and see if that fixes, however my previous RX580 had no limitations at all beyond the physical limitation of 2160p 4:4:4 10 bit 30hz

Hi mclingo, no problem too.
As for the frequency, all the films are at about 24 hz, so the higher resolutions are useless.

I would like to summarize your advice because I am not an expert and English is not my native language.
I have an LG B9 65 "OLED TV, a PC with RX 5700 XT and a Denon X3500H.

1. extract the contents of the "madVRhdrMeasure113" folder and copy and paste it into the madVR installation folder in C: without starting any installation.

2. download the file "HDR_TOGGLE.exe" to the desktop

3. I don't understand how I should set the HDR setting in madVR: let madVR decide, passtrough HDR to display, tone map HDR using pixel shaders. Which one do I select?

4. i impose the video card: 10 bit color depth and 4: 4: 4 RGB: standard pixel format PC (full RGB).
I impose in madVR: "PC Levels 0-255" "native bit depth display" 10 bits.
I impose in LG OLED B9 65: black level: HIGH.
I impose in the video LAV filter: PC RGB (0-255) and D3D11.

5. all other madVR settings are the Asmodian HIGH settings.

6. io uso Mediaportal e MPC-HC. Before playing a video i click on the HDR_TOGGLE.exe to activate the Windows HDR.

7. during HDR video playback it turns off, then on, then off and on again. Everything automatically. And I will see everything perfect.

Is this really so?

[mclingo]

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Hi,

1 and 2 are correct

3. your c9 has quite high nits and decent tone mapping so you dont really need to use tone mapping in MADVR, you could maybe have a play with that at some point once you do a bit more reading up on how it works.

For now just choose passthru to display and make sure send meta data is ticked.

4. is correct

5. ok

6. I dont like media portal and dont use it, I cant speak for that but it should work yes. Have you had a look at KODI DS, it loads better IMHO


7. Yes, but thats only a description of what you see happen, you dont actually have to turn it off and on yourself several times.

To play a movie:

A] click the toggle app to turn HDR on
B] load media portal
C] play the movie.

Note, if you map the toggle to a shortcut key using something like AUTOHOTKEY you can turn HDR on and off at will so you dont have to come out of media portal to turn it on, this also means you can turn it on after you start media portal if like me you just load it up sometimes and have a browser without knowing exactly what you are going to watch.

Remember, to watch an SDR movie you have to toggle it off again and this is only for AMD users, not NVIDIA.

Hope this helps :)

[senzaparole]

7. Yes, but thats only a description of what you see happen, you dont actually have to turn it off and on yourself several times.


Yes, I understand, point 7., everything works automatically without the need for my intervention



Hi Mclingo you are very useful and thank you very much. I had also thought of selling the RX 5700 XT. But now I'm happy to have found this solution.
As soon as I find some free time I try this solution.

In fact, in the past I had already tried to enable Windows HDR and simultaneously set the madVR "tone map HDR using pixel shaders" (target peak nits: 700 and video output in HDR format enabled). I only tried once but the results seemed excellent with both HDR enabled. In another forum they told me that I absolutely didn't have to enable Windows HDR and madVR HDR at the same time and I gave up testing.

Instead I have to study how to enable a button on the remote control of the Windows Media Center to conveniently activate the HDR_TOGGLE.exe.

As for the playback of videos in SDR, Windows HDR is always disabled! MadVR HDR (video output in HDR format) remains enabled.

I'll update you on the results. Thanks again.

[nsnhd]

Last night, windows silently updated the nvidia driver on my back and screwed up every thing. I've done ddu and reinstall the 385.28 again, but now madVR could not create custom resolutions 23p, 24p any more. What's a mess.