BeLight 0.22 beta 8 released

[vlada]

I don't know if anyone already rported similar problems, but I found this issue:

Belight daily 20061002, Aften 0.5 rev. 214

I opened an MP3 and want to transcode it to AC3 384 kbps (using Aften). The result was na .ac3 file with too small size. When I checked the file, it was in fact an MP4 with AAC LC 83 kbps (created by Nero encoder). If I select AC3Enc instead of Aften, everything goes fine. What might be wrong?

[Kurtnoise]

Well...increasing the bitrate is more than useless dude.

Anyway, no problem for me. Maybe your bsn.dll is too old.

[tebasuna51]

So DNR really has no effect when transcoding high bitrate AC3 to lower bitrate? Interesting! Thx
Dialog Normalization Reduction (DNR) is a fix amount of attenuation applied to all volume range (based in DialNorm parameter in BSI of ac3 headers) by the decoder, if you apply after a ota PreGain (HybridGain had no sense because ac3 don't accept gain after encoded) any effect of DNR is lose.

The important decision is apply, or not, the DRC (Dynamic Range Compression). The only reason I can figure to transcode from 448 ac3 to 384 ac3 is if you have a 5.1 audio equipment without DRC incorporated and don't support a wide dynamic range volume.

Then, in this case, is recommended apply the DRC normal (maybe the heavy) and --maximize or ota PreGain.
When you encode with Aften don't use -dnorm (default 31) or -dynrng (default 5-None).

[raquete]

i can' download the last beta.
Kurt's links in not opening: http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=245#r245

can someone help me to download BeLight 0.22 beta 9 please?
thanks in advance.

[Bluedan]

First search with google. (http://www.codec-download.de/content/view/345/119/)
Think global. :D

[MacAddict]

Too bad the daily builds arent available. CoreCodec's web site is just a mess for months now :-(

[raquete]

First search with google. (http://www.codec-download.de/content/view/345/119/)
Think global. :Di think first with my brain(...i think that is brain and not mind or is the reverse?)
thinking global inside the Belight forum?you're probably misconfused... :p
BIG thanks for the link

[humax]

Yes - Daily Buils arent available .

Maybe Kurtnoise can fix this problem

[Kurtnoise]

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/

[bingo]

There seams to be a problem when I try to convert many files (music).
I tried to convert:
mpa -> wav doesn’t work!
mpa -> mp3 doesn’t work!
with 1-4 files it works fine
with 5-6 files Belight hangs a few seconds….

I tested “Belight 0.2.2.0 beta 9” + the latest daily build.

[EpheMeroN]

I'm encoding some SVCDs and I am trying to recall information about the MP2 audio you need for an SVCD.

I recall using TooLame was the higher quality of the two free MP2 encoders. I recall that 224 was the proper SVCD audio bitrate. I know you have to downsample to 44100hz. And I also remember reading that when you do this downsample the audio tends to be less loud than before. Should I go from "normal" to "heavy" dynamic compression? I have the BeSweet OTA set to HybridGain. With HybridGain enabled, should I still normalize? Does that even help? Finally, can SVCD MP2 audio contain surround information, i.e. DPLII "Output Mode" in BeLight? Or do I just choose "stereo"?

[Boulder]

I recall using TooLame was the higher quality of the two free MP2 encoders.Now there's the TwoLame fork, which should be better. See rarewares.org.I recall that 224 was the proper SVCD audio bitrate. I know you have to downsample to 44100hz.The supported audio bitrate is 32-384kbps. Most standalone players will accept 48kHz so you might want to try that before downsampling. I don't think I've ever experienced any volume loss when resampling.

[foxyshadis]

I'm encoding some SVCDs and I am trying to recall information about the MP2 audio you need for an SVCD.

I recall using TooLame was the higher quality of the two free MP2 encoders. I recall that 224 was the proper SVCD audio bitrate. I know you have to downsample to 44100hz. And I also remember reading that when you do this downsample the audio tends to be less loud than before. Should I go from "normal" to "heavy" dynamic compression? I have the BeSweet OTA set to HybridGain. With HybridGain enabled, should I still normalize? Does that even help? Finally, can SVCD MP2 audio contain surround information, i.e. DPLII "Output Mode" in BeLight? Or do I just choose "stereo"?

DVD players will sometimes apply DRC to DVDs but not SVCDs, though, which is probably where the "volume loss" came from. If you have time to try both ways, it's probably worth testing, you wouldn't want to accidentally have DRC applied twice, or it'll sound more like a radio recording ("heavy" would anyway). Normalization is usually a good idea though, even if it won't change much.

According to el faq (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=424064#post424064), DPLII is the proper way of getting surround in MP2.

[Boulder]

I think the dynamic compression means here the compression applied during decoding to WAV which is done when you do AC3->MP2. I myself would disable it.

[tebasuna51]

When a player play ac3 (DVD/avi) with DRC info inside, the user can select if DRC is applied or not, playing mp2/mp3 (VCD/SVCD/avi) DRC info not exist then can't be applied.

Decoding ac3 to mp2/mp3 the user must select between:

1) Don't apply the DRC info inside the ac3. The full dynamic range is preserved (more quality) but you need a good audio equipment.

2) Apply now the DRC info inside the ac3 ('normal' in first choice) , recommended for users with low quality audio equipment (the typical ac3 low volume problem ...) or to be played in noisy environment, portable equipments or so on.

- Of course dplII is recommended and is supported by any 2 channel format (mp2, mp3, ...). Only is required a dplII decoder in audio equipment to recover the 5 original channels (more or less). If dplII decoder not exist is played like regular stereo.

- The normalize 100% in Azid Settings can be used instead ota.
If you have ota HybridGain selected is unnecessary the azid maximize.

[LigH]

So many calendar date builds...

May it be time to release another beta version?

[HeadBangeR77]

I second that. :)

I've been using "BeLight-0.22beta9_20061002" since it was released, and it's buggy in some parts, mostly in command line options, where some custom switches seem to disappear auto-magically or cannot be removed, after I've used them just for one transcoding. :confused:
The above had not been happening with beta9.

Also, kind of OT, it would be good if someone could host more recent encoding libraries for BeSweet as a small update package. Many people just download both applications and use them, not knowing that for instance Vorbis libraries or lame_enc are much outdated. Also, if someone likes to use all-in-one transcoding solutions, the support for Aften shall be updated.

cheers,
HDBR77

PS. Still my favourite transcoding software though. ;)

[dwrbudr]

What is needed to use enc_aacplus.dll from latest WinAmp 5.33? Maybe bsn.dll, but where to find it?

[00:00:00:000] -- Initializing...
Error: -3
Can't load enc_aacplus.dll !

[HeadBangeR77]

Should it really be due to bsn.dll missing, then you can find the library here:

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/

The link is just a few posts above ;)

[dwrbudr]

Still no go with the latest bsn.dll and WA_aac.dll from the site provided. I can use older enc_aacplus.dll but not that from WinAmp 5.33

[vlada]

I think it would be very nice to have a new official release with these features: Aften encoder, AVI support, Nero AAC encoder support, latest Vorbis and lame encoders etc.

The only 2 alternatives are foobar2000, which might be difficult to set up for beginners and BeHappy, which isn't very easy neither and has AviSynth and .NET 2.0 dependency.

[tebasuna51]

The only 2 alternatives are foobar2000, which might be difficult to set up for beginners and BeHappy, which isn't very easy neither and has AviSynth and .NET 2.0 dependency.
If the problem is the .NET 2.0 dependency, you can try another AviSynth method the SoundOut plugin (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120025)

[Kurtnoise]

Still no go with the latest bsn.dll and WA_aac.dll from the site provided. I can use older enc_aacplus.dll but not that from WinAmp 5.33
No problem here...May I see your logfile ?



@all: new packages should be online this weekend at http://coreforge.org/ (CoreCodec.org moves to CoreForge.org)

[Adub]

@dwrbudr
you need nscrt.dll as well, in order to get it running.

[vlada]

tebasuna51
I know this plugin, seems very interesting to me. But it still needs some AviSynth knowledge. I'm trying to find the simplest solution possible for my audio-video processing guides. I think it is BeLight, but many users are now confused with all the different BeLight versions that are around and they don't which one to pick.

Kurtnoise13
That will be great, thank you very much for your work.

[Pookie]

vlada - ffmpeg can do most of the functions you require. And if this is for beginners anyway, they probably won't notice a big difference in sound quality. I'd still use Aften for AC3, however.

ffmpeg for: aac, mp3, mp2, AVI support, wav

aften for: ac3

Maybe a command line normalizer/limiter and and a resampler like SSRC_HP

[Kurtnoise]

faac is quite old compared to Nero Digital and/or CT encoders and has much less features (no sbr, no ps tools...) than previous ones.

blacksword's vorbis tunings are so great too...:)

[intelinside69]

I have a 1.5 gig AVI where i want to extract the audio stream.

After installing the stable version of besweet, upgrading to 1.5b31 and installing belight,

with belight, i used the source file and chose to output to MP3

once i hit the start button, the dos prompt quickly opens and closes and nothing happens

any ideas of how to fix this problem?
i'd really appreciate it

[foxyshadis]

Don't post in the sticky, and don't cross-post. >(

Er, does besweet even work with AVI files? Don't you have to use vdubmod/avimux gui to demux the audio first? Pretty sure you do, so you should try that first.

[vlada]

@foxyshadis: BeSweet supports AVI. But only Belight 0.21 supports them, not 0.22 betas.

@intelinside69: Please provide us your log file, noone can help you without it.

[AlanHK]

I have a 1.5 gig AVI where i want to extract the audio stream.

After installing the stable version of besweet, upgrading to 1.5b31 and installing belight,

with belight, i used the source file and chose to output to MP3

once i hit the start button, the dos prompt quickly opens and closes and nothing happens

any ideas of how to fix this problem?
i'd really appreciate it

While BeSweet can often work directly on an AVI file, sometimes it fails.
In that case, demux the audio (MP3 or whatever) and run BeSweet on that.

(Though as you want an MP3, quite likely you can just use the demuxed audio as-is.)

AVI2RAW is a simple command line demuxer, find it at
http://pbx.mine.nu/w21sa/mpeg4ip.html

and docs at http://karmak.org/archive/2003/05/encoding.html


To extract MP3 from file video.avi:
avi2raw -a video.avi video.mp3


Or many other ways.

[intelinside69]

worked perfectly, thanks!

[Gilgamesh83]

Is there a dll pack with the latest dlls for download to make it simpler or links to stuff or just a list of what is needed to run all kinds of encoding. I get a little lost searching for the stuff that gets it to work properly.

Great work otherwise!!!!

[HeadBangeR77]

Is there a dll pack with the latest dlls for download to make it simpler or links to stuff or just a list of what is needed to run all kinds of encoding. I get a little lost searching for the stuff that gets it to work properly.

The installer package from ...here... (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/index.php?dir=BeLight/) contains most of the libraries you will ever need.

However, if you want to update some in the future or replace some of those you will have to do it manually (that's what I did once a couple of months ago). I haven't heard of any pack, which would be updated on regular basis. And you're right, one might get a bit lost.

Btw. Lame_enc.dll is 3.98 alpha11 - I would suggest using 3.97 final, but that's me. ;)

[Gilgamesh83]

Yeah!

I figured that would be the case, not saying it doesn't work but could be cool if there where a list of what is the latest so one could find the right stuff for the latest version of belight.

Noticed that AAC+ High winamp encoding doesn't work on 5.1 should this be like this or is this a bug I have the latest bsn.dll and all the latest winamp dll except for the fact that winamp 5.33's dll of enc_aacplus.dll isn't supported other wise the latest I think.

[m0rtal]

Gilgamesh83
RareWares (http://rarewares.org/) will help ya :)

[Kurtnoise]

Noticed that AAC+ High winamp encoding doesn't work on 5.1 should this be like this or is this a bug I have the latest bsn.dll and all the latest winamp dll except for the fact that winamp 5.33's dll of enc_aacplus.dll isn't supported other wise the latest I think.
did you read previous posts ??? Doesn't seem to be the case. :angry:

[Gilgamesh83]

soooory :p

have everything working now hehe thx

[Gilgamesh83]

Well I might aswell do a list of where to find most of the files needed to transcode with belight.

- Belight: http://coreforge.org/projects/belight/ (the new page for belight downloads)

- Besweet link: http://dspguru.doom9.net/ (Download everything, doesn't hurt :))

- Winamp AAC+: http://www.winamp.com/ (Download the full pack, remember using aac+ dlls from 5.33 one must use both the enc_aacplus.dll and nscrt.dll from the plugin directory in the winamp install directory)

- Needed Files for Encoding AAC+: http://mirror05.x264.nl/dimzon/ (download All the files, neccesary for encoding 5.1 aac+, great stuff!)

- Nero AAC: http://www.free-codecs.com/Nero_Burning_ROM_download.htm (Install Nero Burning Rom and copy the aac dll's found in the shared folder in the programs folder or search for Aac.dll, aacenc32.dll and aacplus.dll. I don't think you need registering.)

- Ogg Libvorbis: http://homepage3.nifty.com/blacksword/ (This page has sse enhanced ogg encoder dlls download the libvorbis.dll e.g libvorbis_dll_sse2_lancer20061110.zip, or if your cpu supports sse3 download that. If you don't know what your cpu supports download cpu-z from www.cpuid.com)

- Lame Mp3: http://www.rarewares.org/mp3.html (download either 3.97 or 3.98 in the bundled pack and extract enc_lame.dll to the belight folder, one can also find almost all the needed dlls from this site)

- Belight and stuff: http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/ (some things that helps belight to work, such as WA_aac-2.4.zip for Winamp AAC+ and bsn.zip and bsn_Aften_20060926.zip for AC3 encoding, remember to only copy the files from the release folder in these zipped files)

- Might be needed: http://www.rarewares.org/files/libmmd9.1.zip (just extract it in the belight folder)

- Flac Flake Encoder: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177048 (A flake encoder that I got working, might be the wrong one but the ones I downloaded from http://win32builds.sourceforge.net/flake/index.html doesn't work, they are recognized by belight 0.22rc1 but does not encode)

- Aud-X: http://www.aud-x.com/ (In my oppinion not really neccesary if you know how to encode with aac+)

[Kurtnoise]

1/ There is already an installer with most libs and executables (except Nero Digital command line tool and Winamp library) in http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/
2/ Flake from my bundle works perfectly.
3/ No need to post anymore in this thread.
4/ belight != BeLight.


PS: if a moderator can close this thread, this could be great.

[Gilgamesh83]

1/ Didn't know that.
2/ It does.
3/ Except for this, I won't post anymore :p
4/ Sorry... BeLight it is!!! :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Are you aware there's a new version of BeLight?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122700

[HeadBangeR77]

@Gilgamesh83:

I've posted the link to the installer with all the basic dlls needed on the previous page:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962346#post962346

and it points to RC-1, so guess someone doesn't read with attention. :p ;)

[Gilgamesh83]

Said I wouldn't post but here goes :p

No need to worry people used the installer and got the latest stuff works wonderfully. THE END!

[looney]

- Nero AAC: http://www.free-codecs.com/Nero_Burning_ROM_download.htm (Install Nero Burning Rom and copy the aac dll's found in the shared folder in the programs folder or search for Aac.dll, aacenc32.dll and aacplus.dll. I don't think you need registering.)

Very useful list but in the new Nero7 there aren't no more standalone aac.dll, and the last aacenc32.dll i get from nero was in now pretty old V.7.2.7 (from NeroSuite 3.0.0.2 says in dll, V.4.2.12.25)


Kurtnoise
* could you bring back nice feature from the old BLb9 that all settings were saved on exit
* possibility to choose output filename other than default input filename (and auto rename of the .log filename from output filename) in BeLight would be usefull feature
* make it compatible with NeroAACEnc.exe option switches cause BLRC1 uses always the same encoding settings "-bsn( -vbr 0.5 -6chnew )" for the encodings which is in fact default value for nae_cli.exe and would be used anyway. And cause the old profile settings (streaming, normal, extreme) from neroaac.libs are gone you should allow to manually select Quality (-q values from 0 ... 1) and add newly introduced ABR mode (-cbr <bitrate>). Also there's in fact no option to use HE or HEv2 encodings cause BeLight always let the codec uses default LC settings which are in most cases not of any use at all (-lc -he -hev2 switch) and allow (-2pass) switch to be used

tnx

What is in fact -bsn switch used for BeLight/BeSwitch communication? There s nothing on it in BeSweets -help

[looney]

It seems that for new look Nero_CLI GUI you should select that from pad (No matter if it's falsely preselected!! So you should change to faac for exam, and then to NeroCLI) but i get the new interface from the toolbar menu :) . It pretty fussy considering aac is the way to go and has three submenues not like other encoders just one submenu.

BeLight RC1 (aac only?) issues
* Changing -q settings in vbr mode doesnt impact on resulting filesize and no matter if i choose HE still it uses LC
* Can't be interrupted when transcoding starts by clicking on stop button only by manually kill BeSweet.exe in taskmanager
* Once when you change BeSweet CLI input in "View or Edit BeSweet CLI" none of settings that we change after won't be applied to the stream. Not that would even matter cause it always uses LCAAC and probably -q 0.5 (~400kbps) even when i used it firstly -q 0.5 resulted in somewhat ~700kbps bitrate but that was when BeLight was under the influence of the old Nero_ND (not CLI) lookalike interface probably read from BeLight.ini previous settings (cause i supstitute old version in the same dir and didnt delete .ini file)

While the previous version of BeLight (beta9) that worked with aacenc32.dll instead this nero_cli scaled very well and give pretty decent result for [Normal] preset, this cli version results in bulky bigger files that sounds even worse than with predecessor it can be with better audio level but in the end it's totally unpredictable or BeLight cant set the proper options for the NeroAACEnc.exe

Is there a way to try BeLight as gui for enc_aacplus.exe?