BeLight 0.22 beta 8 released

[Kurtnoise]

Hi guys,

Actually, I'm developping a new Graphical User Interface for BeSweet, one of the best audio tools for transcoding. ;) Why a new one ? Coz the official from DaniDin seems to be out dated now (AAC support by example) and there are some bugs (Dialog Normalisation Reduction...). In addition, some newbies can be troubled by the interface...That's why I created BeLight (http://coreforge.org/projects/belight/). :D

New thread for BeLight can be found here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122700)


http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight.gif


Features :
- AC3, WAV, OGG, MP2, MP3, AVI, VOB, LST & MUX in input.
- AAC/MP4 (3GP Reference, Faac, Nero Digital and WinAmp encoders), AC3, MP2 (tooLame or MP2Enc), MP3 (Lame), VORBIS, WAV and AIFF in ouput.
- Most of BeSweet functions (Gain, SSRC, Boost, Partial Encoding, Change Frame Rate, Soundtouch...)
- MultiLanguages Support (German, Spanish, French, English, Polish, Russian, Portuguese, Slovenian, Hungarian, Serbian, Italian, Japanese, Greek, Nederlands...more are welcome ;))
- Delay Detection for input files.
- Some AAC/AC3/MP2/MP3/VORBIS/WAV Presets.
- Mux File Wizard (in version 0.22)
- File List Creator (in version 0.22)


Notes :
- For the moment, BeLight 0.22 branches doesn't support AVI, VOB Files as input files. If you want to use these formats, I'd suggest you to try BeLight 0.21 instead.
- For AVI and VOB as input files you need VOBinput.dll (http://besweet.notrace.dk/VOBInput.zip).
- Tu use negative q values for Vorbis Transcoding, libvorbis.dll (http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html) is needed.
- If CoreCodec.org is down, you can grab the last versions here (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/).
- There are 3 packages now at CoreCodec.org (Normal, Lancer and P4). The main difference between these 3 builds comes from libvorbis. The Normal version corresponds to normal libvorbis.dll, Lancer bundle is optimized for speed without loose quality and P4 version refers to libvorbis.dll optimized for Pentium4 core. In addition, all versions use AoTuv enhancements.

How to use it :
First, grab the last BeSweet beta release in DSPGuru web Site (http://www.dspguru.doom9.net).Second, put BeLight in the same folder as BeSweet and load it.
Or you can install directly some BeLight package available in CoreCodec.org.

How to report some bugs:
Try to describe your bugs with some precision. First, post your complete logfile (which is in your input folder). And eventually the BeLight messages errors.


On my To Do List :
- Job List Support.
- BeSplit functions.
- UpMix functions.


Links to access directly in the thread :

BeLight 0.22


BeLight 0.22 beta 9 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=767501#post767501)

BeLight 0.22 beta 8 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=714118#post714118)

BeLight 0.22 beta 7 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=712524#post712524)

BeLight 0.22 beta 6 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=694226#post694226)

BeLight 0.22 beta 5 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=690452#post690452)
BeLight 0.22 beta 4 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=673885#post673885)
BeLight 0.22 beta 3 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=673355#post673355)
BeLight 0.22 beta 2 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=672875#post672875)
BeLight 0.22 beta 1 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=625374#post625374)




BeLight 0.21


BeLight 0.21 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=599637#post599637)




Feedback and/or suggestions are welcome. :p

[Sycho]

one thing that should be one the top of your "to do list" is a spell checker

hint: recommended

[SiXXGuNNZ]

nice++

I like what i see :)

[buzzqw]

Some hint
please: tooltip !
is not possible to encode in mp2 cbr
In abr mode (mp3) bitrate is always 128
Switching from preset to alt-preset not enable bitrate choice if in alt-preset is abr/cbr
hybrid gain seems not fuctional...

Good gui, but after some test i don't know what are standard settings..., could be possible to implement some preset ?

thanks

BHH

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Sycho
one thing that should be one the top of your "to do list" is a spell checker
yeahh, my english is crap. :D Yes, I know. I'll fix it.


Ok for the hints...I'll add them in the next releases.

Originally posted by buzzqw is not possible to encode in mp2 cbr. In abr mode (mp3) bitrate is always 128. hybrid gain seems not fuctional...

My bad...This is a bug with Job List tab.:( I'll correct it. For the moment, don't push the Job List tab when you want to transcode. Stay in Output Audio Format tab.


Originally posted by buzzqw Switching from preset to alt-preset not enable bitrate choice if in alt-preset is abr/cbr
Ok...I see.

And yes, I'll add some presets.:cool: It's in my todo list now.



Thanks for your support. ;)

[ursamtl]

Looks promising. Un beau travail.

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Hi guys,

Actually, I'm developping a new Graphical User Interface for BeSweet, one of the best audio tools for transcoding. ;) Why a new one ? Coz the official from DaniDin seems to be out dated now (AAC support by example) and there are some bugs (Dialog Normalisation Reduction...). In addition, some newbies can be troubled by the interface...That's why I created BeLight (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1543). :D

<image deleted to avoid repetition>


Features :
- AC3, WAV, OGG, MP2, MP3 in input.
- AAC/MP4, AC3, MP2, MP3, VORBIS, WAV and AIFF in ouput.
- Most of BeSweet functions (Gain, SSRC, Boost, Partial Encoding, Change Frame Rate...)
- MultiLanguages Support (only French and English actually...more are welcome ;))
- Delay Detection for input files.




How to use it :
First, grab the last BeSweet beta release in DSPGuru web Site (http://www.dspguru.doom9.net).
Second, just put BeLight in the same folder as BeSweet.exe and load it.


On my To Do List
- Job List Support.
- Profiles for output Formats.
- AVI/VOB support for input.
- BeSplit functions.
- UpMix functions.


Feedback and/or suggestions are welcome. :p

[jorel]

Kurtnoise13, help please.in all links i got:
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /~media-video/forum2/download.php on this server."
any clue please? "we need that" ... thanks! :)

[Boulder]

@Kurtnoise13

If you already didn't add this, please consider disallowing the non-working resampling and changing frame rate (using BeSweet's internal routine) at the same time - or changing it so that SoundTouch is used, I think that works with simultaneous resampling.

[Kurtnoise]

@Jorel : did you use a firewall ?? coz all works fine here...:) Try it again maybe the server has some problems sometimes.


@Boulder : BeLight use -soundtouch routine for the Changing Frame Rate. ;) I tested quickly resampling + changing frame rate and all seems to be ok...

[Boulder]

Nice, will probably save the forum from a couple of bug reports:D

[filewalker]

I like your GUI style.Cool :)

But I'M waiting hard till VOB support for input is ready. I just use it for my backups.

Cu filewalker

[buzzqw]

btw why not implement an "ifo parsing mode" for encoding vob audio ? :D

BHH

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by buzzqw
btw why not implement an "ifo parsing mode" for encoding vob audio ? :D BHH
It's not necessary...:D BeSweet has already AVI/VOB support as input files. Yes, one more thing on my todo list.


I'll post a new release tonight. ;)

[filewalker]

I have a question concerning AAC settings:

Is it possible to add the profiles (first line) of the orginal Nero encoder settings. see here what I mean (http://people.freenet.de/pipliner/Nero.png)

It's helpful because the profiles show an overview of all seetings:
VBR/CBR
kbps range
VBR modes
AAC profiles


Cu filewalker

[Brother John]

Great work, Kurt!

BeLight definitely has a much easier to understand interface than BeSweetGUI.
And not only that: Even this first release does everything I'll ever need of BeSweet's features.

Only thing I'm missing at the moment is a show/copy command line function. I've already seen the checkbox in advanced options though, so I won't push you.

[Kurtnoise]

Here it is...the 0.16 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1545) is out ;)

Changelog:
- Corrected typos.
- Fixed some internal errors.
- Added Presets for AAC. --> yeahh filewalker ;)
- Added SuperEqualizer.
- Much More Hints.



Originally posted by Brother John
Only thing I'm missing at the moment is a show/copy command line function. I've already seen the checkbox in advanced options though, so I won't push you.
Yes...it's expected. Just be more patient..:) I'm not developper expert.

[MaXiMuS]

I LIKE !

:D :D :D

[neo75903]

Very nice work!
Love the clean interface.
It looks less nice on a win2k pc :(

[McoreD]

Appreciate your work, Kurtnoise13 :)

[Sakuya]

I might be just dumb but how do I get the conversion process to start? There's no start button. I put BeLight.exe in the same folder as BeSweet.exe and BeSweetGUI.exe. I clicked to add to job list but nothing happened. :eek:

Edit:
Nevermind! Found it at the very bottom. It was hidden due to my 800x600 resolution. :o

[Kurtnoise]

:thanks: guys...especially Doom9 for the news ;)




@Sakuya : the Job List isn't operational yet...

[filewalker]

:) Cool, thanks for the AAC profiles!

Cu filewalker

[filewalker]

Hi again,

when you are working on the VOB Input support *dream*, please don't forget to add substream selection and the delay adaption like in DanniDin's Gui "Set delay to"--> A/V

Thanks in advance!

Cu filewalker

[8mm]

really nice and very clear interface.
good work.
much better than the other gui.

what i would really like is the possiblility to switch between single input file (wav, mp3, ac3, mux, lst,...) and a multifile input mode.

not a single inputbox like now but six (maybe a flexible number for general multichannel usage) independend input boxes, with nice labels (front right, front left, center, rear left, rear right, lfe) in front of them. so i can independently assign my mono wav files, your prog generates the needed listfile in background and runs the besweet with this file. would be really great, so i don't have to play around with annoying listfiles.

http://www4.cnet.at/members/fdk/belight.png

greets

[Kurtnoise]

Well...I don't think it's really necessary. For multiple mono input files, you can use already lst file for that. It should work great. ;)

But for this :
what i would really like is the possiblility to switch between single input file (wav, mp3, ac3, mux, lst,...)
It's the main purpose of the Job List management. It will be perfect for that I think. ;) I'm working on it...


when you are working on the VOB Input support *dream*, please don't forget to add substream selection and the delay adaption like in DanniDin's Gui "Set delay to"--> A/V
I'll try..:)

[Pyscrow]

Fantastic - I use Besweet rarely, and never could get my head around the GUI. Took me ages to rework out how to use it each time I needed it!
thank you very much

[neo75903]

lolz idd, the previous GUI was so over complicated for my simple tasks i learned my self the command options :)

[AOC]

It's strange, but i also couldn't download belight from that url.
A message appears saying i do not have permission.

I put that url in one of that pages to surf anonymously the web and it did work.

[daphy]

mirrored on needfulthings (http://www.needfulthings.webhop.org) ;)


One big request!

what about a GUI for besplit -> every time I use it, I have to switch back in good old commandline times!

I can´t code and if I could, this would be the first on my list!

Maybe Kurtnoise13 or anyone else could take a look on this and create a nice GUI for little Daphy :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Many thanks daphy. ;)


For people who want to make a translation in your own language :
1°) Download this file (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1548) and just do it.
2°) Please, respect the digits order and save your file by putting your own language in the name (by example : English.txt or Français.txt or Deutsh.txt or ελληνικός.txt or italiano.txt, etc...).
3°) When it's done, mail me the translated file at kurtnoise at free dot fr or PM here.

Thanks.

[jorel]

@ Kurtnoise13 and daphy
thanks for mirrors but i'm still getting 403 forbidden and not using firewall:
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /~media-video/forum2/viewtopic.php on this server."
from Kurtnoise13 signature and:
"Ação cancelada
O Internet Explorer não conseguiu se conectar à página da Web solicitada. A página pode não estar disponível no momento. "
from daphy's mirror. i try all day long and nothing came!
of course is my local problem. can one of you send me the files by mail? i do another mirror here for all in this side of the world (Brasil).
if is possible will be a double pleasure: one to get the files, another to mirror!

thanks in advance! :)

[AOC]

Originally posted by jorel
@ Kurtnoise13 and daphy
thanks for mirrors but i'm still getting 403 forbidden and not using firewall:
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /~media-video/forum2/viewtopic.php on this server."
from Kurtnoise13 signature and:
"Ação cancelada
O Internet Explorer não conseguiu se conectar à página da Web solicitada. A página pode não estar disponível no momento. "
from daphy's mirror. i try all day long and nothing came!
of course is my local problem. can one of you send me the files by mail? i do another mirror here for all in this side of the world (Brasil).
if is possible will be a double pleasure: one to get the files, another to mirror!

thanks in advance! :)

Hi Jorel, like i said in the last post, i have the same problem. I'm also from south america (Argentina).

Copy the url posted by Kurtnoise13, enter this site: http://anonymouse.ws and paste it.

I downloaded belight doing this.

This site hides your real ip and let you surf the web anonymously (using another ip)

Hope it works for you.

[daphy]

Hi everyone,

I am surprised to hear of problems - here in good old Europe the downloads works fine, anyway I found another mirror (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/BeLight.htm) on the net (was astonished that http://www.free-codecs.com hosts this file, too.

[jorel]

wow..thanks AOC.
:)
working at: http://anonymouse.ws/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.needfulthings.webhop.org/
(if i could not post this url here, please mod remove and excuse me)

thanks daphy, that links are working too! (i only saw in preview!)
;)

can i host here(as mirror) daphy?!?!

[Brother John]

I had some free time: German translation done.
Kurt, you got mail.

Stumbled over something in tooltip 2104 (OTA gain mode):
"For aac/mp4, use PostGain."
Shouldn't this read "use PreGain" as no AAC decoder reads postgain tags at the moment?
Kurt, if I'm wrong, could you please change 2104 in my translated file to "postgain", thx.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Brother John
I had some free time: German translation done.
Kurt, you got mail.
great...

Originally posted by Brother John
Stumbled over something in tooltip 2104 (OTA gain mode):
"For aac/mp4, use PostGain."
Shouldn't this read "use PreGain" as no AAC decoder reads postgain tags at the moment?
Kurt, if I'm wrong, could you please change 2104 in my translated file to "postgain", thx.
Yes I know...I forgot to change. Sorry..:o


@Jorel : as I said by PM, you can mirror BeLight. No problem. ;)

[MacAddict]

Is it me or is the 'alt-prest abr' function broken from within the GUI? My output is always 128kbps no matter what bitrate what I ask for.

Possible to implement the '--resample 44.1' LAME command in the next version for those us of that use sub 128 bitrates?

Nice work, thx!

[jorel]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
@Jorel : as I said by PM, you can mirror BeLight. No problem. ;)
done: BeLight (BR mirror) (http://www.jltoca.uaivip.com.br/Belight-0.16.zip)
and in my signature! :)

[ursamtl]

This project is looking nicer every time I check. Well done Kurt!

One thing I'd like to see if provision for burning a Dolby Digital Wave file, as in the -ddwav switch. Could you add this at some point?

[WinsomePix]

Hi --

Nice interface.

A couple of recommendations:

The program should know to open in the center of the screen based on the size/resolution of that particular machine. We have several machines with differing screen resolutions, and BeLight opens in a different place on screen on each one. On our notebook with an 1280x800 screen, BeLight opens with about a third of its window lost from sight below the bottom of the screen, and it has to be dragged to the center of the screen.

On our machines with 1024x768 screens the BeLight window opens with its bottom and right sides hidden from view. Also, even when one drags it to the center of the screen the window is a little bit too big for the screen at that resolution.

I have a feeling your monitor is set at 1280x1024, because on our machine with that resolution BeLight opens pretty much right in the middle of the screen

And, as mentioned by others, implementing direct imput of VOB files would be great.

Best of luck, and congrats on a nice interface.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by MacAddict Is it me or is the 'alt-prest abr' function broken from within the GUI? My output is always 128kbps no matter what bitrate what I ask for.
It's fixed now...thanks for the bug report.

Originally posted by MacAddict Possible to implement the '--resample 44.1' LAME command in the next version for those us of that use sub 128 bitrates?
sure... :)


Originally posted by ursamtlOne thing I'd like to see if provision for burning a Dolby Digital Wave file, as in the -ddwav switch. Could you add this at some point?
Yes...I can do it.


@WinSomePix : ok...I see. I'll try to modify that.

@Daphy : about your request :: a friend of mine wants the same thing. It's funny...:D



Thanks for all guys and stay tuned. ;) Maybe a new release tonight...

[Kurtnoise]

0.17 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1549) is available...;-)



Changelog :

1. Fixed some errors for the bitrate of Lame Alt-Preset commands.
2. Much more Lame Settings for Advanced Users (ATH, PSY tunings, Error Protection, Sampling Frequency for the output file).
3. Added 5.1 Dolby-Digital Wave support.
4. Added German Language (viele danke Brother John ;-)).
5. Fixed some internal errors.
6. Clean code to prepare Job List Management.


@WinSomePix : I tried something for you in this last release...please tell me if all it's ok. ;)

@Jorel : your mailbox is full...I can't send you PM. So, I'll send you the pdf file and this last version tomorrow by mail. bye.

[jorel]

thanks for the new version Kurtnoise13
:)
mirror updated and free space in mailbox(sorry about that)!

[WinsomePix]

Hi Kurtnoise:

I checked ver 0.17 on our various machines and it opens properly in the center of the screen on all of them. Nice job. Also, it is no longer too big for 1024x768.

The change did introduce a small problem with the font layout in the interface, probably caused by the fact that we use the "Large Size (120 DPI)" font size setting on all our XP machines.

The resizing you did of your program's window makes several instances of text lines get cut off at the end of the line. For instance, in the WAV/PCM tab, each instance of the word "wave" next to the output channel radio buttons is missing one or more letters.

I can e-mail you a couple of screen shots if that would help.

Making the whole BeLight window a little wider might solve the problem, or using a slightly smaller typefont.

Best regards.

[Kurtnoise]

Hey,

Originally posted by WinsomePix The change did introduce a small problem with the font layout in the interface, probably caused by the fact that we use the "Large Size (120 DPI)" font size setting on all our XP machines.
weird...ok. I know why. I'll fix it. ;)

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

May I suggest something similar to this for the mp3 options:
http://lame.sourceforge.net/lame_ui_example.html

[Kurtnoise]

Hi Gabriel,

Yes...this sounds good. I can try to make similar something.

[daphy]

Hi Krutnoise,

is it possible to make a nice GUI menue for MUX/LST file list where it´s possible simply to mark the files (or selecting the path to the single file - like your input/output option) in order FL,FR,C,LFE,SL,SR to create an automatic MUX list or file1,file2... for LST?

I guess this would be a very confortable addon for all users!

THX

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by daphy is it possible to make a nice GUI menue for MUX/LST file list where it´s possible simply to mark the files (or selecting the path to the single file - like your input/output option) in order FL,FR,C,LFE,SL,SR to create an automatic MUX list or file1,file2... for LST?
Sorry...I don't really understand what you want. :o Could you be more precise ??

[Pacemaker]

He meant, that he want...
A function that create´s automatically the mux list from six mono files.
He want a place in the gui who he can choose/search the mono waves.
LeftFront-->c:\the\place\where\the\LeftFront-File is
RightFront-->c:\the\place\where\the\RightFront-File is
and so on...
LF
RF
C
BR
BL
LFE

Do you understand ?

[daphy]

exact, thanks for clearing this :p

the same for merging file1, file2 ... -> LST

[MacAddict]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
It's fixed now...thanks for the bug report.


sure... :)



Yes...I can do it.


@WinSomePix : ok...I see. I'll try to modify that.

@Daphy : about your request :: a friend of mine wants the same thing. It's funny...:D



Thanks for all guys and stay tuned. ;) Maybe a new release tonight...

Thank you for the fixes and the feature!

One last request and I wont bother you anymore:) Is it possible to add the 'priority' CPU feature? I typically set BeSweet to run in 'Idle' mode so I can do other tasks while BeSweet encodes.

EDIT- Oooops, the LAME '--resample 44.1' command does not seem to function. Bug?

[Kurtnoise]

You want to kill me guys ??? :D :scared:


Ok I understand but it seems complicated for mux files because the different output formats don't have the same channels order. :rolleyes: But who knows...

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by MacAddict
Oooops, the LAME '--resample 44.1' command does not seem to function. Bug?
Sure ?? Could you post your log file please ?...thanks.

[daphy]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Ok I understand but it seems complicated for mux files because the different output formats don't have the same channels order. :rolleyes: But who knows... [/B]
diffrent order? I always thought the muxing command goes like this:
FL,FR,C,LFE,SL,SR :confused:

[MacAddict]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Sure ?? Could you post your log file please ?...thanks.

No problem, it seems the command doesnt get passed to BeSweet for some reason.

BeSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (4/11/2004), Engine 3.97 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 11/23/04 , 08:51:44.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\pb64 AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output Z:\pb64 AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3 -logfile D:\pb64 AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -azid( -s stereo -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -lame( --alt-preset 80 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\pb64 AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: Z:\pb64 AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | 'abr 80' preset is used
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:27:04:416] Gain of 4.5dB had been asserted to file.
[00:27:04:416] Conversion Completed !
[00:27:04:416] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 80kbps
[00:02:14:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 11/23/04 , 08:53:58.

[Kurtnoise]

ok...I'll correct this bug.


@Daphy : look at the BeSweet FAQ.(n°31 & 31b) ;) And for aac is also different...:rolleyes:

[Pacemaker]

Hi.

Thanks for this very good gui. :)

In the german forum a user asked a question...
"Is it possible to save my own settings in the gui"

Could you integrate a function that saves the settings, in a .ini file perhaps ??

It could be very useful...

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Pacemaker

In the german forum a user asked a question...
"Is it possible to save my own settings in the gui"

Could you integrate a function that saves the settings, in a .ini file perhaps ??

It could be very useful...
Yes...it's planned. ;)


@MacAddict: I'm checking the trick. Use SSRC instead of --resample Lame function. I think it's more accurate and it works fine. ;)

[Brother John]

Cosmetic suggestions (meaning: to consider if todo list is about to get empty ;)):
- Don’t use underlined text (e.g. on the Vorbis tab). Non-underlined is much better to read.
- For translations labels/checkboxes/etc. adjusting to the text length would be nice (within limits that don’t mess up the GUI of course).

P.S.: Wow, already the third version in three days. Pretty impressing. About as fast as Gabest in his best days. And that’s saying something!

[daphy]

@Daphy : look at the BeSweet FAQ.(n°31 & 31b) And for aac is also different...

yep, my fault :eek:
-> I also should :readfaq: before I post :D :D ;)

[absinthe]

Terrific! I always thought the BeSweet GUI was a mess, anyway.

Would it be possible to to show the command line, ala the original GUI? It would be nice to be able to copy and the command line ... to show people "hey, here's how I did so and so ..."

I also always wanted to be able to put my cursor in the command line box and make manual changes. Would that be possible?

Of course, maybe that wouldn't so much "BeLight" as it would "BeComplicated." :D

Nice work!

-abs

[MacAddict]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
@MacAddict: I'm checking the trick. Use SSRC instead of --resample Lame function. I think it's more accurate and it works fine. ;) Did this work for you? I would prefer using SSRC to keep 44Khz but it doesnt have any affect. I guess thats why I've always resorted to the LAME --resample command, it keeps 44Khz even with low bitrates.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by MacAddict
Did this work for you? I would prefer using SSRC to keep 44Khz but it doesnt have any affect. I guess thats why I've always resorted to the LAME --resample command, it keeps 44Khz even with low bitrates.
Yes it works for me. I tested with different samples (48 kHz to 44,1 KHz). But I can active --resample command as you want.


@absinthe :: about your suggestion, yes as I already said before, it's on my todo list.

[MacAddict]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Yes it works for me. I tested with different samples (48 kHz to 44,1 KHz). But I can active --resample command as you want.
I greatly appreciate your effort. If you try a sample with alt-abr 80 using SSRC it stays at 44khz? I think LAME overrides SSRC and uses 32khz, unless you use --resample. 32khz audio causes sync issues with some standalone players unfortunately.

[therealjoeblow]

Can BeSweet downmix '2 channel mono ac3' and output mono Vorbis (and maybe HE-AAC too)? I've never been able to get this to work with existing GUI's (either the standard BeSweet GUI or Oagmachine).

The only way I've been able to get true Mono Vorbis is to demux the AC3 to WAV from the vobs with DGindex, and then use OggDropXPD, which has a setting to downmix and does produce true 1 channel output, so you really do only need 1/2 the bitrate. Every other tool I've used that can either work with demuxed AC3 or directly with VOBS can only produce Stereo, even if the source is mono but stored in 2 channel (ie the way most oldies from the 50's and 60's are).

Obviously you can't implement the feature if BeSweet itself doesn't support it, but here's hoping it does and none of the GUI's before ever picked it up. Same would go for HE-AAC, although I've not investigated BeSweet's capability so far as Vorbis on that yet.

[ghobbsus]

Is this application capable of encoding Dolby Digital?

[daphy]

Is this application capable of encoding Dolby Digital?
IT´s a GUI for besweet (not more or less) so if besweet supports AC3 BeLight does it also :confused:

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
Can BeSweet downmix '2 channel mono ac3' and output mono Vorbis (and maybe HE-AAC too)? I've never been able to get this to work with existing GUI's (either the standard BeSweet GUI or Oagmachine).
For AAC output, there is an option "Downmix to mono".
For Vorbis output, we can't produce mono files with BeSweet. Maybe with the help of Azid options. I'll check it.


Originally posted by ghobbsus
Is this application capable of encoding Dolby Digital?
Yes we can but ac3enc isn't very good.

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

If you try a sample with alt-abr 80 using SSRC it stays at 44khz? I think LAME overrides SSRC and uses 32khz, unless you use --resample.
I can confirm that this is the normal behaviour of Lame.
If you do not want it to resample, you have to use --resample xxx with xxx beeing your sampling freq.

[Gannjunior]

Nice and very complete work Kurt!!
Bravo!!:)
I've done some compressions and the gui seems to work correctly. Only a problem during AAC conversion: i obtain the same error I had in Danni gui: 'error configuration bsn'...so I'm not able to convert in AAC trought your gui.
I'm using last besweet beta 1.5b29... any suggestion?

ciao!!

[Kurtnoise]

:logfile:

[Gannjunior]

BeSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.24 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 11/25/04 , 17:47:48.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input F:\Burner_Temp\w6.wav -output F:\Burner_Temp\w6.mp4 -logfile F:\Burner_Temp\w6.log ) -azid( ) -bsn( -2ch -vbr_streaming -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -G 1 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : F:\Burner_Temp\w6.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: F:\Burner_Temp\w6.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 1.00
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 11/25/04 , 17:47:48.

[Kurtnoise]

You must have installed Nero to use AAC Encoder...Just put aacenc32.dll and aac.dll in BeSweet folder. Then everything will be ok. ;)

[Gannjunior]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
You must have installed Nero to use AAC Encoder...Just put aacenc32.dll and aac.dll in BeSweet folder. Then everything will be ok. ;)

Nero is obviuously installed, but i haven't brought its dll in besweet folder...ehehe :D
now it works perfectly ;)

nice work and many thanks!:)

[Seimour]

Originally posted by filewalker
I like your GUI style.Cool :)

But I'M waiting hard till VOB support for input is ready. I just use it for my backups.

Cu filewalker

U can use DVD Decrypter Steam Processing and demux *.ac3 track(s) out of the *.vob file(s) or.. use dvd2avi (i can't remember name of the new one).

[jorel]

.. use dvd2avi (i can't remember name of the new one)...DVD2AVI 1.76 Command-Line 1.05 modified by dvd2svcd is cool!

http://www.dvd2dvd.org/

or all versions and how to extract the audio( Part 4: Audio menu)here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59272

!

[Kurtnoise]

0.18 is out (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1551)...

Changelog

Added: Loading & Saving your own Settings.
Added : detection of the Nero dll in BeLight folder.
Fixed : --resample Lame function.


Note:
1°) There is a Settings folder now...So, the right thing can be to copy all the BeSweet folder (exe + dll) into BeLight directory. :)
2°) I included also the file to make the translation.


Feel free to test it..:p

[WinsomePix]

Hi --

Some nice improvements in .18.

Text fixed in main window, but the end of several lines of text are still missing in the advanced settings window.

Main window size better now, although it's still a bit too tall for 1024x768 screens -- everything below the bottom edge of the word "Start" on the start button is cut off.

You may also consider adding a "Save As" option for settings, in order to create multiple ini files containing configurations for various purposes.

Best regards.

[Alxemi]

nice GUI, good work :)
spanish translation sent.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by WinsomePix
Text fixed in main window, but the end of several lines of text are still missing in the advanced settings window.
Could you tell me wich ones please ?? Thanks.

Originally posted by WinsomePix
Main window size better now, although it's still a bit too tall for 1024x768 screens -- everything below the bottom edge of the word "Start" on the start button is cut off.
Ok...I'll try to fix it.

Originally posted by WinsomePix
You may also consider adding a "Save As" option for settings, in order to create multiple ini files containing configurations for various purposes.
I can do that of course but I'm lazy...:D That's why I created only one ini file for saving settings.


Originally posted by Alxemi
nice GUI, good work
spanish translation sent.
Thank you very much. ;) I'll add it in the next release.

[Alxemi]

I first encoded an MP3 from vorbis with VBR 32-320.
log file:

BeSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Sep 24 2004 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (8/8/2003), Engine 3.90 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 11/28/04 , 13:32:07.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\cast.ogg -output E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\cast.mp3 -logfile E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\cast.log ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -lame( -m j -v --vbr-mtrh -V 4 -b 64 -B 320 -p )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\cast.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\cast.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (Merged)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 4
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 64
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:06:17:775] Gain of 1.5dB had been asserted to file.
[01:06:17:775] Conversion Completed !
[01:06:17:775] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 137kbps
[00:05:23:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 11/28/04 , 13:37:30.







Then. I changed the max bitrate alowed to 192, but take a look:


eSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Sep 24 2004 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (8/8/2003), Engine 3.90 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 11/28/04 , 13:39:54.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\engl.ogg -output E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\engl.mp3 -logfile E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\engl.log ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -lame( -m j -v --vbr-mtrh -V 4 -b 64 -B 320 -p )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\engl.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\DVD1\ogms\cd1º\engl.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (Merged)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 4
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 64
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:06:16:597] Gain of 1.5dB had been asserted to file.
[01:06:16:597] Conversion Completed !
[01:06:16:597] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 128kbps
[00:05:24:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 11/28/04 , 13:45:18.


max bitrate was still 320!!! If i repeat the encode without changing anything (still 192) It uses always 320, even if i cloose belight and open it again and choose 192, 320 is used.

BTW, maybe a choose list for the bitrate could be useful because in manu encoders you cannot choose any value.

thanks for your tool!!!

[MacAddict]

Looks like the LAME bitrate requests are being ignored. I have the same problem using the --alt abr preset here.

[Alxemi]

encoding from vorbis to mp3, I add the work to the job list, then i press start and a weird message appears:

http://img98.exs.cx/img98/171/1305.gif

weird because i´m not using aac :?

afterwards the encode its done properly

[Kurtnoise]

Don't use the job list now please...It's not finished. :o

For your bug, it's fixed now.

[WinsomePix]

Re truncated lines of text in advanced settings window, please give me an email address so I can send you a screen capture. To be honest, I tried to attach it to this message but it didn't work. Same with insterting image... it asks for a web address and I have the image locally.

[Kurtnoise]

kurtnoise at free dot fr ;)


But you could simply list here which options have this problem.

[dOpiate]

BeSweet has that DVD2AVI check box that automatically detects the ms delay in a DVD2AVI audio extracted files. It's a minor thing but would be really nice if you also had it.

example original file name:

1992_Dep AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -32ms.ac3

besweet automatically adds to the command line: -ota( -d -32 )

it would be nice to have in BeLight

-dOpiate

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by dOpiate
BeSweet has that DVD2AVI check box that automatically detects the ms delay in a DVD2AVI audio extracted files. It's a minor thing but would be really nice if you also had it.

example original file name:

1992_Dep AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -32ms.ac3

besweet automatically adds to the command line: -ota( -d -32 )

it would be nice to have in BeLight

-dOpiate
It's already done...;)



@Brother John & Manper :: thanks for the update.

[sjursen]

Seems like a nice gui :)

can I use this tool to convert vbr too cbr mp3? I have a lot of videoclips I like too convert too other formats but I sometimes get sync problems if I dount save the audio in uncompressed pcm before converting. I also like to convert video with ac3 tracks to stereo mp3 and boost the volume upp a bit

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by sjursen
can I use this tool to convert vbr too cbr mp3?
of course you can...but you loose in quality by doing that.

[Tuning]

Greeatings Kurtnoise13!! :)
Nice work on new besweet GUI! ;)

[Pennywize]

Hi,

very nice work.

I have a problem getting mp2 on 192. Every Time i want to create a mp2 File on 192 (for DVD) an 48 khz i get files with vbr 300 and up (like vbr extreme). MP3 works fine.

This happens with toolame and mp2enc and i have no ideo why ?

Did anyone knows why this happens??

Thx for help

Penny

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Pennywize
Hi,

very nice work.

I have a problem getting mp2 on 192. Every Time i want to create a mp2 File on 192 (for DVD) an 48 khz i get files with vbr 300 and up (like vbr extreme). MP3 works fine.

This happens with toolame and mp2enc and i have no ideo why ?

Did anyone knows why this happens??

Thx for help

Penny
Yeah, I noticed this too. You must know that VBR mode is only useful on files with 44,1 KHz Sampling Rate. Use CBR Mode. It's more safer.


@All :: I'll try to post a new release tonight but I've a lake of free time.:( Stay tuned.

[Kurtnoise]

Here is the last BeLight (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1559) release...Enjoy.:)

Changelog:

Added : View & Edit BeSweet Command Line.*
Added : Soundtouch Commands.
Added : Spanish language.
Fixed : bitrate choices for some Lame commands.





* In fact, you can write everything you want in this space...BeLight enables to launch the commands. ;)

[jorel]

thank you for the new version Kurtnoise13 .
:)


BeLight (BR mirror) (http://www.jltoca.uaivip.com.br/BeLight-0.19.zip) updated too!

[WinsomePix]

Hi --

Looks like you're making good progress on the interface. Lots of improvements. I notice the text on the advanced options box is all readable now

On main screen, however, it's gotten even more truncated at the bottom when viewing at 1024x768 resolution -- the entire start button and everything below is now cut off.

Regards,

Winsome Pix

[absinthe]

Found the new version this a.m. Nice work!

Sort of a funny thing, though. I would think the whole point of calling it "BeLight" is that it is somewhat simplified. You starting adding in everyone's requests and it becomes more and more complex ... pretty soon it looks just like other, less streamlined GUIs ;).

But seriously, it looks a lot nicer than BeSweet GUI. And the ability to edit, copy, and paste the command line alone makes it superior to the aforementioned GUI.

Thanks,

-abs

[nexus]

I think so too. You should first fix the bugs before implementing new functions.
I dont't know if these bugs are known:
-Settings arent't saved correctly (I don't know if this is true, but if I check Delay and save the settings, next time I load the settings and "Delay" isn't checked. Same for "normalize" e.g.). It isn't stored in the settings.ini, but I can edit it maually.
-Language isn't saved
-Command line only shows chosen parameters if I choose them _after_ clicking "View & edit command line", however parameters will be correctly delivered to besweet.exe.
-German language issues:
.Settings->Load: Laden
.Settings->Save: Speichern
.Advanced Settings: Log file: Box too small for the words "Logdatei erstellen"

[Pacemaker]

@kurtnoise

I have a suggestion for you.

It would be better to split the "advanced settings" section.
The lame section should be placed in the "MP3" tab as an advanced section --->button
The azid section should be placed in the "AC3" tab as an advanced section --->button

The other sections "Soundtouch, Partial Encodings, External Plugins and others" should remain where they are.

Is this a good idea ?

[Brother John]

I don't care about where additional lame settings are placed. Who needs more than "alt presets" anyway? But better leave azid options where they are. BeLight tabs are meant to be encoder tabs, while azid is a decoder.


There's an issue with OTA's gain settings and AAC encoding. I thought this has been mentioned here already, but I can't find it; so sorry if I'm repeating known things.

When encoding to AAC (using BeLight 0.19) and "View command line" is disabled OTA's gain always jumps to "PostGain" when pressing "Start". Also the logfile shows that BeSweet indeed uses "PostGain" in this case.
When "View command line" is enabled the GUI still jumps back to "PostGain" (including the command line string) but according to the logfile "PreGain" (or "hybrid", depending which you chose) is used.
For other destination formats (I only tested mp3) BeLight doesn't display this behaviour.

[Kurtnoise]

Heyaaaa...

Sorry for the delay guys.


Originally posted by WinsomePix
On main screen, however, it's gotten even more truncated at the bottom when viewing at 1024x768 resolution -- the entire start button and everything below is now cut off.

Ok, I see. I'll try to fix it. But why did you have a pretty low resolution ?? :D

Originally posted by absinthe
Sort of a funny thing, though. I would think the whole point of calling it "BeLight" is that it is somewhat simplified. You starting adding in everyone's requests and it becomes more and more complex ...
Well...for my point of view BeLight is somewhat simplified in the form but not in the core...coz BeSweet is very powerful, isn't it ?? ;)


Originally posted by nexus

I think so too. You should first fix the bugs before implementing new functions.
Sure...but if nobody send me some feedback or bugs report then I can try to implement new things.

Originally posted by nexus

I dont't know if these bugs are known:
-Settings arent't saved correctly (I don't know if this is true, but if I check Delay and save the settings, next time I load the settings and "Delay" isn't checked. Same for "normalize" e.g.). It isn't stored in the settings.ini, but I can edit it maually.
-Language isn't saved
It's not bugs....it's not yet implemented. :p But, yes...I can do that.

Originally posted by nexus

-Command line only shows chosen parameters if I choose them _after_ clicking "View & edit command line", however parameters will be correctly delivered to besweet.exe.
Are you sure ?? Well...I know that I forgot to check something...

Originally posted by Pacemaker

It would be better to split the "advanced settings" section.
The lame section should be placed in the "MP3" tab as an advanced section --->button
The azid section should be placed in the "AC3" tab as an advanced section --->button

The other sections "Soundtouch, Partial Encodings, External Plugins and others" should remain where they are.

Is this a good idea ?
It's a good idea for sure...but like Brother John said, I prefer to keep the tabs for the encoders. And in the most cases, the Lame and Azid Settings in "Advanced Settings" are much more for advanced users. ;) So, if I add some other things in the tabs, it could be too complicated for some newbies...:)


Originally posted by Brother John
When encoding to AAC (using BeLight 0.19) and "View command line" is disabled OTA's gain always jumps to "PostGain" when pressing "Start". Also the logfile shows that BeSweet indeed uses "PostGain" in this case.
When "View command line" is enabled the GUI still jumps back to "PostGain" (including the command line string) but according to the logfile "PreGain" (or "hybrid", depending which you chose) is used.
For other destination formats (I only tested mp3) BeLight doesn't display this behaviour.
Yep....I know. I'll try to fix that in the next release.

[nexus]

Oh, I forgot something: Another good thing would be if settings are automaticly loaded with starting the prog. :)

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Sure...but if nobody send me some feedback or bugs report then I can try to implement new things. *searching for more bugs* :P

[nexus]

*Can't find any more bugs, so waiting for new bild *g*

Which programming language do you use for this GUI?

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Originally posted by nexus
*Can't find any more bugs, so waiting for new bild *g*
/me found others bugs... :D I'll post a new build in few hours. ;) But no new things, just bugs fix release.

Originally posted by nexus
Which programming language do you use for this GUI?
Delphi.

[nFury8]

Excellent work with the new GUI, Kurtnoise13.

I just noticed one thing though. The old version supported DTS input. This one doesn't seem to support DTS input. I tried selecting 'All Files' at the input then chose my DTS file but when I hit Start it crashed. Anyway, just ignore this if its too much trouble. You must have your own reasons why you didn't add DTS input support. I'll just use the old one for DTS inputs and use BeLight for AC3 inputs. Nice job.

[Alxemi]

And a feature request:
When you open a file with the "open file with" windows dialog, and choose belight, belight opens but the input file box is empty instead with the file you opened.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by nFury8
Excellent work with the new GUI, Kurtnoise13.
Thanks...;)

Originally posted by nFury8
I just noticed one thing though. The old version supported DTS input. This one doesn't seem to support DTS input. I tried selecting 'All Files' at the input then chose my DTS file but when I hit Start it crashed. Anyway, just ignore this if its too much trouble. You must have your own reasons why you didn't add DTS input support. I'll just use the old one for DTS inputs and use BeLight for AC3 inputs. Nice job.
Yes, it's intentionally. ;) First, BeSweet doesn't support dts. On the other hand, I would like to create a new tool especially for transcoding dts files when BeLight will be finished. That's why dts as input file isn't support in my GUI.


Originally posted by Alxemi
And a feature request:
When you open a file with the "open file with" windows dialog, and choose belight, belight opens but the input file box is empty instead with the file you opened.
mmmh ok...I put it on my todo list.


Anyway, I hope to finish to finalize the new release tomorrow...sorry for the delay.

[Kurtnoise]

As I said yesterday, here's a new build : 0.20 beta 1 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1565). ;) It's just bugs fix release. A lot of internal/external bugs have been corrected...I hope everything is ok.


Just one note : BeLight now saves/load your own options as soon as you close/open it. So, the loading & saving manual settings has disappeared from the Menu. ;)


@WinsomePix : I tested on 2 different PC with a 1024x768 resolution and all seems to work fine (no cut off, etc...). Please, tell me if all it's ok for you too.



[edit]--typo

[Kurtnoise]

2 bugs detected in this last release :
- problem with plugins part.
- Languages aren't saved.

I'll correct these bugs as soon as I can...

[guru1968]

Hi Kurtnoise13,

I am pretty new to BeLight - used BeSweetGUI til now and got quite used to it's overloaded GUI; but as I am always looking for new challenges I decided to give BeLight a try...

What I can't find at first sight is where to enter the path to BeSweet.exe -- or does besweet HAS to be in %PATH% ?
Or does BeLight _need_ to be in the same directory?
- there was no readme.txt/install.txt or whatsoever in "BeLight-0.20b1.zip"

Next thing is when clicking on 'Input' and dropping down the 'Files of type' list, there are entries like " --- BeSweet List Files ---" and " --- Container Files ---"; the first include .lst and .mux and the second .avi and *.*
What I am missing is an entry for the sound formats as such (the types above " --- BeSweet List Files ---").
Furthermore this does not work at all:
If I have a test.lst and a test.mux in one directory and select "LIST Files (*.lst)" only test.lst is shown; so is only test.mux shown when I selected "MUX Files (*.mux)". That's what I expected -- but when I select " --- BeSweet List Files ---" as Type NEITHER of both is shown while I expected BOTH...
-- I thing You only ment those entries to be separators but then You also should prevent those to be selected at all...

gr33tz,
guru

[nexus]

Originally posted by guru1968
What I can't find at first sight is where to enter the path to BeSweet.exe -- or does besweet HAS to be in %PATH% ?
Or does BeLight _need_ to be in the same directory?
- there was no readme.txt/install.txt or whatsoever in "BeLight-0.20b1.zip" It has to be in the same directory.

Next thing is when clicking on 'Input' and dropping down the 'Files of type' list, there are entries like " --- BeSweet List Files ---" and " --- Container Files ---"; the first include .lst and .mux and the second .avi and *.*
What I am missing is an entry for the sound formats as such (the types above " --- BeSweet List Files ---").
Furthermore this does not work at all:
If I have a test.lst and a test.mux in one directory and select "LIST Files (*.lst)" only test.lst is shown; so is only test.mux shown when I selected "MUX Files (*.mux)". That's what I expected -- but when I select " --- BeSweet List Files ---" as Type NEITHER of both is shown while I expected BOTH...
-- I thing You only ment those entries to be separators but then You also should prevent those to be selected at all... I think so too. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by guru1968
What I can't find at first sight is where to enter the path to BeSweet.exe -- or does besweet HAS to be in %PATH% ?
Or does BeLight _need_ to be in the same directory?
- there was no readme.txt/install.txt or whatsoever in "BeLight-0.20b1.zip"
Well...the 0.20b1 it's just a beta release, that's why I don't add a Readme or anything else...but I suppose you don't have read my first post in this thread. BeLight must be in the same directory as BeSweet. That's all.

Originally posted by guru1968
Next thing is when clicking on 'Input' and dropping down the 'Files of type' list, there are entries like " --- BeSweet List Files ---" and " --- Container Files ---"; the first include .lst and .mux and the second .avi and *.*
What I am missing is an entry for the sound formats as such (the types above " --- BeSweet List Files ---").
Furthermore this does not work at all:
If I have a test.lst and a test.mux in one directory and select "LIST Files (*.lst)" only test.lst is shown; so is only test.mux shown when I selected "MUX Files (*.mux)". That's what I expected -- but when I select " --- BeSweet List Files ---" as Type NEITHER of both is shown while I expected BOTH...
-- I thing You only ment those entries to be separators but then You also should prevent those to be selected at all...
Yeah, but I didn't miss something. Theses lines (" --- BeSweet List Files ---" and " --- Container Files ---") are just there to separate the different choices from the list, not to choose or select the files. If you want to have .lst/.mux together, select "All files" at the end.

[guru1968]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Yeah, but I didn't miss something. Theses lines (" --- BeSweet List Files ---" and " --- Container Files ---") are just there to separate the different choices from the list, not to choose or select the files. If you want to have .lst/.mux together, select "All files" at the end.
Okay - but if these entries were only ment as separators then you should not make them selectable...

On the other hand (and/or if this is not possible) it should be a piece of cake to associate ALL the filter-types of one section to the according separator, or not?
- i.e. selecting " --- BeSweet List Files ---" sets the filter to "*.lst or *.mux"

Just a suggestion ;)

guru

[dOpiate]

Am I missing the option to select 2 Pass for SSRC conversion?

BeSweet Example:

"C:\audio\BeSweet\ssrc\ssrc_hp.exe" --rate 44100 --twopass "x:\shabhot\audio.wav" "x:\shabhot\audio-New.wav"

thanks

[OMINUS]

is it possible to add support for adding jobs?

btw your gui rulez-its the reason i start using besweet ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by guru1968
On the other hand (and/or if this is not possible) it should be a piece of cake to associate ALL the filter-types of one section to the according separator, or not?
- i.e. selecting " --- BeSweet List Files ---" sets the filter to "*.lst or *.mux"
ok...I'll add it. It's easy. ;)

Originally posted by dOpiate
Am I missing the option to select 2 Pass for SSRC conversion?

BeSweet Example:

"C:\audio\BeSweet\ssrc\ssrc_hp.exe" --rate 44100 --twopass "x:\shabhot\audio.wav" "x:\shabhot\audio-New.wav"
mmmh...all seems to be right. What's happen exactly ??

Originally posted by OMINUS
is it possible to add support for adding jobs?
Yes...it's on top on my todo list.



BTW, I need you to have your point of view. ;) I'm preparing some Presets for transcode processing. That's why I would like to have some feedbacks or suggestions for these things.

I post 2 pictures :
http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/files/presets2.png http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/files/presets1.png

and 0.20 beta2 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1571) (with the 2 bugs corrected) to see how we can manage the different presets. So, what do you think about that ? Is it ok or not ?? Thanks guys ....;)

[dOpiate]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13


mmmh...all seems to be right. What's happen exactly ??



where is the option to turn on the two-pass for SSRC in your prog???

am I just missing it?

[Longinus]

Kurtnoise13, nice program!!

Just one small bug I found...
The LAME alt-preset for 128 CBR is not right, it's using ABR instead..
lame( --alt-preset 128 ) instead of lame( --alt-preset cbr 128 ).

[Palikrovol]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
BTW, I need you to have your point of view. ;) I'm preparing some Presets for transcode processing. That's why I would like to have some feedbacks or suggestions for these things.

I post 2 pictures :
http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/files/presets2.png http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/files/presets1.png

and 0.20 beta2 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1571) (with the 2 bugs corrected) to see how we can manage the different presets. So, what do you think about that ? Is it ok or not ?? Thanks guys ....;)

Why not both? I mean "Radio (40/50 kbps)", "Streaming (50/70", and so on.

And i think all the presets for all the speakers config. would be better (tape, radio, internet and streaming for 2.0 and 5.1 in HE)

Anyway it looks great.

Go on with the GUI Kurtnoise13

[nexus]

Originally posted by Palikrovol
Why not both? I mean "Radio (40/50 kbps)", "Streaming (50/70", and so on.

And i think all the presets for all the speakers config. would be better (tape, radio, internet and streaming for 2.0 and 5.1 in HE)

Anyway it looks great.

Go on with the GUI Kurtnoise13 DITO :D

Bug: Encoding priority is not saved.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Longinus
Just one small bug I found...
The LAME alt-preset for 128 CBR is not right, it's using ABR instead..
lame( --alt-preset 128 ) instead of lame( --alt-preset cbr 128 ).
Yep...thanks for the bug report.


Originally posted by dOpiate
where is the option to turn on the two-pass for SSRC in your prog???
Sorry, BeLight haven't SSRC 2-pass option...But you can check "View & Edit BeSweet command line", then delete the lines and copy & paste you own command. It should work great. ;)


Originally posted by Palikrovol
Why not both? I mean "Radio (40/50 kbps)", "Streaming (50/70", and so on.

And i think all the presets for all the speakers config. would be better (tape, radio, internet and streaming for 2.0 and 5.1 in HE)
Ok for both but I'm not sure about bitrate range for VBR/5.1. If someone could be tested the different presets quality...could be interesting. :)


Originally posted by nexus
Bug: Encoding priority is not saved.
not a bug yet...it's not implemented. :D BTW, the different priorities encoding work well ??

[nexus]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
not a bug yet...it's not implemented. :D BTW, the different priorities encoding work well ?? [/B] :D I think "normal" should work (because it's standard), I'll test with "idle" and "High" and post the result later.

Another bug (?) postet in the german Doom9 forum: You can't change normalization method, it's always PostGain (only AAC).

Edit: Encoding priority: It seems that it doesn't work correctly. I started BeSweet (idle) and VDub (normal), BeSweet uses 20% CPU, VDub the rest. It should be 0% for BeSweet, I think.

Edit2: Same with "normal, BeSweet: 20%, VDub rest.
I guess priority only affect on BeLight, not on besweet.exe

[Kurtnoise]

Thanks for the tests.


Originally posted by nexus
Another bug (?) postet in the german Doom9 forum: You can't change normalization method, it's always PostGain (only AAC).

It's not a bug...Read the AAC FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68300#post424070) (n°15). That's why I choose PostGain.

[nexus]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
It's not a bug...Read the AAC FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68300#post424070) (n°15). That's why I choose PostGain. [/B] But HybridGain is not recommended at the moment, so why can't I choose PreGain?

[JoeBG]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
It's not a bug...Read the AAC FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68300#post424070) (n°15). That's why I choose PostGain. [/B]

You mean PreGain

"15. What gain setting should I use to encode AAC with BSN/Oagmachine?

Eventhough BeSweet/Bsn has implemented Hybrid gain, there are no Directshow filters capable of using the hybrid gain information at this time. So it is not recommended at the moment. Instead use normalization or pregain"

Pregain works fine with the normal GUI and I´m really looking at every release of your GUI if it works wit AAC. In the moment it does not ;(

[Kurtnoise]

PostGain ( -G 1) is equivalent to Normalization ( --maximize)...but I can manage to switch between PreGain & Normalization if you want. ;)

[JoeBG]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
PostGain ( -G 1) is equivalent to Normalization ( --maximize)...but I can manage to switch between PreGain & Normalization if you want. ;)

This would be great, thank you very much. Most people prefer Pre Gain for AAC Encoding and not the Azid method.

[OMINUS]

there seems to be a bug when i try to encode from .ac3 to .mp3
when i click start ,using the belight's default settings,an error message appears sayin that i must have the aacenc32.dll and aac.dll in the belight directory in order to transcode my file in aac!!
(i have put the belight in the besweet folder)

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13


BTW, I need you to have your point of view. ;) I'm preparing some Presets for transcode processing. That's why I would like to have some feedbacks or suggestions for these things.

I post 2 pictures :
snip)...

to see how we can manage the different presets. So, what do you think about that ? Is it ok or not ?? Thanks guys ....;)

I prefer the kb/s descriptions - 'radio' and 'tape' just seem too subjective to me to mean anything.

[nFury8]

Originally posted by OMINUS
there seems to be a bug when i try to encode from .ac3 to .mp3
when i click start ,using the belight's default settings,an error message appears sayin that i must have the aacenc32.dll and aac.dll in the belight directory in order to transcode my file in aac!!
(i have put the belight in the besweet folder)
I got the same error message when i tried to encode AC3 to 6 wavs for this latest version 0.20b2.

[Kurtnoise]

@ nFury8 & OMINUS : yes...sorry for this stupid bug. I had forgotten to uncheck something in my code...:o

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
I prefer the kb/s descriptions - 'radio' and 'tape' just seem too subjective to me to mean anything.
Yes...that's why I chose to put both information. Everyone will be happy..;)

[Brother John]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
PostGain ( -G 1) is equivalent to Normalization ( --maximize)
That's not correct. In fact PreGain is equivalent to --maximize.

PreGain and maximize use a 2-pass approach. First the file is scanned for the peak sample, then the appropriate gain value is calculated and applied to the file while transcoding.

PostGain looks for the peak value while transcoding and afterwards applies a gain tag to the file. The actual normalizing is done by the decoder, that needs to read the gain tag.

HybridGain uses both gain methods depending on source material. First a fixed pregain value is added to the file (0db for 2.0 sources, 10db for 5.1 sources). While transcoding the still missing rest gain value ist looked for using PostGain and stored in the gain tag.

Unfortunately aac decoders can't read gain tags, so an aac file encoded with post gain or hybrid gain will have a too low volume. For that reason PreGain "-ota( -g max )" or --mazimize should be used for aac.

edit: wrong command line for pregain corrected

[Taurus]

Originally posted by Brother John
Unfortunately aac decoders can't read gain tags, so an aac file encoded with post gain or hybrid gain will have a too low volume. For that reason PreGain "-ota( -g max )" or --mazimize should be used for aac.

Thank you for clearing up the sky for me. Always wondered why hybrid and post gain do not show the desired effect on aac's.

Cheers

Taurus

[rondo]

Hope this bug (at least I think it's one) hasn't already been corrected, as I can't test it in v20 cos of the Ominus issue.

I'm coding to MP2.

If you check the VBR Mode box & then uncheck it again, the option remains set at VBR, & the program needs to be restarted to unset it again.

Regards

[Kurtnoise]

It has been corrected with the latest beta. ;)


I'll post a new build tonight...

[Kurtnoise]

Finally...I've got a free time this afternoon. ;) So, 0.20 beta 3 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1574) is out.

changelog :


- Enhancements for Presets.
- If AAC output format is chosen, then PreGain or normalization is available. In other word, Hybrid Mode is not present for this format.
- if "-- BeSweet List File --" is chosen, then *.lst and *.mux files can be loaded.
- bug correction if the dll from Nero aren't available in the BeLight directory.

[JoeBG]

@ Kurtnoise

It works, thank you very much. Now a lot of manuels have to get changed :)

[Kurtnoise]

Hi guys,

Before to add new things, I managed the 0.20 Final (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1577). :)



Changes from 0.19 to 0.20 :

- Added : Presets.
- Added : Bitrate equivalence for Vorbis Q Mode.
- Added : Possibility to select either lst or mux files in the input list.
- Fixed : PreGain available for normalization if AAC is chosen.
- Fixed : Languages can be saved now.
- Fixed : Plugins part when it's saved.
- Fixed : Some problems with LFE and Output Mode in Azid Settings.

[Digga]

hi there.

first of: nice gui Kurtnoise13 :)

I have a suggestion for the LAME (MP3) setting tab.
presets like r3mix are hopeless outdated and should not be used anymore. there are newer and better presets available. so r3mix should be removed IMHO.
second, all stereo modes besides joint-stereo are not as good! (mono may come handy sometimes though). it would be a good idea to remove that section too.
Gabriel, an active member at the HydrogenAudio forums (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php/Main_Page) and a LAME developer had made a very simple but nice and recommended interface for the average user, available here: http://lame.sourceforge.net/lame_ui_example.html

please note: my intention is not to bitch around here, but to try to help make this nice gui maybe even better.

cheers,
Digga

[Kurtnoise]

Yes...Gabriel Bouvigne himself has suggested me the same idea. ;-)

It's on my todo list.

[Digga]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Yes...Gabriel Bouvigne himself suggests me the same idea. ;-)
It's on my todo list. :D I see.
so this is another thing you could work on if you got too much free time ;)

[daphy]

Hi Kurtnoise,
I would like to set up a download mirror for this file but your link is dead :(

Edit:
mirror (http://www.needfulthings.webhop.org) is online.

[Kurtnoise]

:( Sorry for the damage, but I don't know why...The board where I hosted the file is down at the moment. I sent you a mail to mirror the last build.

[Kurtnoise]

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=BeLight :: A link mirror.

[Happygolucky]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=BeLight :: A link mirror. Unfortunately, their mirror link (to free-codecs.com download site) is dead, too. Their main link points back to here on doom9.org, so no way to download the util using that site. I was able to download the .20 Final from daphy's link.

[Kurtnoise]

Just for info, the link (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1577) from the french board is again available. :)


BTW, the new mp3 tab is almost finished...:p Stay tuned.

[Bluedan]

Wanted to do a personal listening test of AAC and wanted to compare different encoding/profile settings.

Then I found out that BeLight stopped changing command line display according to manual changes made to the output file field after the second file! :confused:

Also if PNS is enabled for output the file won't play in winamp 5, but no problems with direct show players such as bsplayer (CoreAAC installed).

It seems that the latter hasn't been documented anywhere else, which suprises me...

As far as I understood PNS reduces filesize by replacing different noise occurences with the same pattern.
So, I really wanna use that feature...

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Bluedan
Then I found out that BeLight stopped changing command line display according to manual changes made to the output file field after the second file! :confused:
Yes you're right. It's my fault. It's fixed now.

Originally posted by Bluedan
Also if PNS is enabled for output the file won't play in winamp 5, but no problems with direct show players such as bsplayer (CoreAAC installed).
Maybe your plugin is outdated...

Originally posted by Bluedan
It seems that the latter hasn't been documented anywhere else, which suprises me...

As far as I understood PNS reduces filesize by replacing different noise occurences with the same pattern.
So, I really wanna use that feature...
Much more info about PNS here (http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/wiki/?page=PNS). ;)

[marcellus]

Hi Kurtnoise, many thanks for your program!

Small problem in current version: when I choose an .eq file to feed the shibatch equalizer the path is not within quotes, so the besweet exits at once if I start encoding. If I manually put the quotes around the path the problem is solved. One thing more (maybe related to this): if I choose an .eq file then at the next session BeLight asks at every move the location of that file.

Bye and thanks again.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by marcellus
Small problem in current version: when I choose an .eq file to feed the shibatch equalizer the path is not within quotes, so the besweet exits at once if I start encoding. If I manually put the quotes around the path the problem is solved. One thing more (maybe related to this): if I choose an .eq file then at the next session BeLight asks at every move the location of that file.

:scared: Ok...I'll fix it.

[Kurtnoise]

For the users who want to test new things. :) I've made 0.21 beta 1 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1610). But be carefull : it's only for testing. There are always some bugs which aren't resolved.

changelog :
- Added : mp3 tab completely revisited. Please read carefully explanations below.
- Now BeLight enables to ask you if you want overwrite the output file (if you have a file having the same name as your output) or not.
- Some bugs fix.

BTW, I hope to fix all bugs before Xmas. ;)



So, some explanations about the new mp3 tab :

Some functions under BeSweetGUI are outdated. This is the case for MP3 part. We know all that BeSweet uses one of the best mp3 encoder more exactly LAME. But some people as Gabriel Bouvigne by example, one of the LAME developpers, has suggested me to involve the mp3 part to facilitate and enhance comprehension for users. That's why I follow his recommandations and some new things are appeared :

http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/files/mp3_tab.gif

With the latest LAME releases (3.95.xx and sup), the developpers want to simplify as much as possible the using of this encoder. That's why, now we can have the choice between "Target Bitrate" and "Target Quality". This is the most important thing to know actually.
The "Target Bitrate" refers to ABR/CBR Mode. I hope everybody know what is it. So, as soon as you choose it, you can move the Bitrate slider to fix a target following your bitrate. The range is very large as you can see. By default, the bitrate is 128 kbps.
To access at CBR Mode, you must check the "Restrict Encoder to Constant Bitrate" case. In this way, you force LAME to have a constant bitrate. In other word, you can't change the bitrate. If you want to create some encode with this Mode, you must know the bitrate will be restrict to 128 kbps.

Now the second choice : "Target Quality". This Mode is equivalent to the famous VBR Mode. So, if you check this, you can choose a certain quality level (between 10 and 100). If you are used to transcode your files into Ogg Vorbis with the Q-Mode, you know it's the same idea. I think it's more easier to understand a level quality than to choose a bitrate level.
One important thing you must to know : more this quality level is low, worse the result final is. A good point could be to choose between 50-80. It's more safer. By default, it's a value of 80 which is taken. For people who know LAME command, this quality level corresponds to -V 2.
With this "Target Quality", we can have also the choice between the Fast Variable Bitrate Mode and the Standard Mode. By default, this is Standard Mode which is chosen. For information, this Mode refers to --vbr-old LAME command whereas Fast Mode is --vbr-new.

The last part concerns the possibility to active the Mono Encoding. The "Other Settings" is available but *only* for advanced users. In the most cases, the best for you is to play with "Target Bitrate" or "Target Quality".

Due to the fact BeSweet doesn't recognize some single LAME commands, I was forced to use some old arguments.That's why I put here a table to have some equivalences. I hope this help you.


Quality = 10 | -V 9 | 64 kbps |
Quality = 20 | -V 8 | 80 kbps |
Quality = 30 | -V 7 | 96 kbps |
Quality = 40 | -V 6 | 112 kbps |
Quality = 50 | -V 5 | 128 kbps |
Quality = 60 | -V 4 | 166 kbps | --(alt)-preset medium
Quality = 70 | -V 3 | 176 kbps |
Quality = 80 | -V 2 | 192 kbps | --(alt)-preset standard
Quality = 90 | -V 1 | 224 kbps |
Quality = 100 | -V 0 | 256 kbps | --(alt)-preset extreme

If people or LAME developpers want to add something, don't hesitate. :)

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

To access at CBR Mode, you must check the "Restrict Encoder to Constant Bitrate" case. In this way, you force LAME to have a constant bitrate. In other word, you can't change the bitrate. If you want to create some encode with this Mode, you must know the bitrate will be restrict to 128 kbps.
Why restricting to 128kbps?
My idea was to restrict it on allowable cbr bitrates, but still allow all of them.
On the user interface, this would translate to only beeing able to set the bitrate slider on the vertical marks locations when using cbr.
This means that ideally you should have one vertical mark per allowed cbr bitrate. Here, that would mean changing "176" to "192".

I would also try to stretch the bitrate slider differently, in order to have the distances beeing roughly translatable to bitrate differences: distance between 64 and 128 would be equal to the one between 128 and 192.

(I understand that those two points might be not so easy to implement in a real UI).

Last thing, I think that perhaps there could be some additionnal information on both side as sliders; "smaller files" and "higher quality"

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

I tryed the gui, and have additionnal comments:

*The bitrate slider moving along with the vbr one is an interesting idea. I originally only though of aligning the slider bars, not moving the slider itself.

*In abr, it would be nice to have the slider beeing free to move anywhere on the scale, not only on vertical marks.

*having a 160 mark instead of the 166 and 176 ones would perhaps be nice.

Now, the "other settings" box:

*"experimental psy tunings" can be removed, as this was previously enabling --nspsytune, which is now enabled by default.

*references to Gpsycho could be renamed to "psychoacoustic model" or "psy model" or "model", as Gpsycho is not the default model anymore.

*of course I do not like seeing those options. To me the only ones that should be kept would be the lowpass and sampling freq ones. Bit-swapping could be interesting only if you are using stdin or raw files as input. If you are using wav files as input, this option is useless.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi Gabriel, ;)

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
Why restricting to 128kbps?
My idea was to restrict it on allowable cbr bitrates, but still allow all of them.
Yeah I thought the same thing but when I tested --abr xxx --cbr command under Lame 3.96.1, I noticed the bitrate was still at 128 kbps. :confused: That's why I fixed it on 128 kbps. But I can change it easily.

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
I would also try to stretch the bitrate slider differently, in order to have the distances beeing roughly translatable to bitrate differences: distance between 64 and 128 would be equal to the one between 128 and 192.
I can try but it's not easy..

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
Last thing, I think that perhaps there could be some additionnal information on both side as sliders; "smaller files" and "higher quality"
mmmh, ok.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
*The bitrate slider moving along with the vbr one is an interesting idea. I originally only though of aligning the slider bars, not moving the slider itself.
;)

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
*In abr, it would be nice to have the slider beeing free to move anywhere on the scale, not only on vertical marks.
Ok...I can try to implement that.

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
*having a 160 mark instead of the 166 and 176 ones would perhaps be nice.
aah, yes.

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
*"experimental psy tunings" can be removed, as this was previously enabling --nspsytune, which is now enabled by default.
Well...ok I can removed it.

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
*references to Gpsycho could be renamed to "psychoacoustic model" or "psy model" or "model", as Gpsycho is not the default model anymore.
ok..thanks to point me out.

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
*of course I do not like seeing those options. To me the only ones that should be kept would be the lowpass and sampling freq ones. Bit-swapping could be interesting only if you are using stdin or raw files as input. If you are using wav files as input, this option is useless.
Yes, me too...but on some sources ATH could be interesting. But I said these "other settings" it's only for advanced users.

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

Yeah I thought the same thing but when I tested --abr xxx --cbr command under Lame 3.96.1, I noticed the bitrate was still at 128 kbps.
Yes, I just tryed, same result. This is indeed a bug

[Brother John]

Another suggestion:
Everyone who uses Lame efficiently nowadays is using one of the presets. I know presets probably will disappear in Lame 4.0, so introducing the quality slider right now is a good idea.

However, people are not used to it. That’s why I’d love an additional label saying »equals preset standard« etc. when the slider is moved to a »preset position«.

I’m sure this could prevent a lot of confusion.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Brother John
Another suggestion:
Everyone who uses Lame efficiently nowadays is using one of the presets. I know presets probably will disappear in Lame 4.0, so introducing the quality slider right now is a good idea.

However, people are not used to it. That’s why I’d love an additional label saying »equals preset standard« etc. when the slider is moved to a »preset position«.

I’m sure this could prevent a lot of confusion.
Of course I can...:) A label or a hint ??

Maybe into a label will overload the tab. Into a hint seems to be a good thing. What do you think ??

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

I'd vote for the hint if users want to be informed of matching presets names.

[Kurtnoise]

Yes, I put some info into the hints. I think it's the more clearly. Tell me if it's ok ;)...

So, I made a new beta : 0.21 beta 2 (http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=1612).

changelog:
- Improvements concerning the mp3 tab, as Gabriel asked.
- Bug correction for the overwrite (the last beta bOrked with this).
- Quick update of the doc concerning the new mp3 part. Read 1st before to use it.

That's all...:)

[SiXXGuNNZ]

is it possible to have mp3 options like cdex uses? if not, that's cool, I still love this new gui :D

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by SiXXGuNNZ
is it possible to have mp3 options like cdex uses?
Nope...If I managed the new mp3 tab with these betas, it's not to change once again.

BTW, It seems that the link for this last beta is temporary dead. :( If someone can host it, contact me by MP or here...

[Brother John]

I'd have voted for the label, but that may be not wanting to let go of the presets. So I'll be content having a preset hint. :)
Unfortunately both links are not working at the moment, so I can't test beta2 right now.

[Kurtnoise]

Try once again...:rolleyes:

[Bluedan]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Maybe your plugin is outdated...


Bingo. But strange indeed, that the plug-in packed with winamp is THAT ...retarded.
thx. :cool:

You're damn fast, testing 0.21 beta 2 now, hope your X-Mas-evening was fun so far! Hoho...

[Brother John]

Hi, Kurtnoise13.

Merry Christmas!
While playing around with BeLight 0.21 beta 2 I found a bunch of issues. Please check if it's bugs or features or me doing something wrong.

On startup, when input/output files already had been selected, logfile name is reduced to its file extension. Also when changing encoder tabs, output file name gets reduced to its file extension.
When disabling azid's dynamic compression and then checking any other option, "-c" reappears in the command string, but the GUI checkbox stays unchecked.
Boost: For DSPguru's algorithm "/l=0.95" is not written to command string. Is this intentional?
When switching from a different language back to English, the "recommanded" typo on Vorbis tab still exists.
For dialog normalization reduction "-n" is written to command string, which doesn't enable DNR. The switch needs a nonzero number as an argument: "-n 1" or "-n1". It might work nonetheless when using hybridgain or dynamic compression "-c" because those functions enable DNR automatically for 5.1 downmixes.
Note: Should you consider implementing rear channel filtering into BeLight at some time, it works the same. "-f 1" or "-f1" are needed to enable the function properly.
AAC: When switching from vbr to cbr, "-vbr_..." remains in the command string in addition to "-cbr".
When AAC tab was selected before closing BeLight, on startup no bsn-section is written to command string.
AAC: When switching from Stereo to 5.1 (or vice versa) every checkbox on the tab gets unchecked. The command string is emptied accordingly.
When "Profiles" checkbox is not checked and you chose a vbr preset or cbr bitrate, "-aacprofile_he" is always added to command string.
When mp3 tab is selected on startup, an empty lame section "-lame( )" appears in the command string.
MP2: When you switch encoder engine to MP2enc and then check anything on that tab, command string goes back to "-toolame(...)".
MP2: When you choose a different "Encoding Mode" than "Joint Stereo" and then check anything else on the tab, command string changes back to "-m j".
MP2: Is it ok that "Total bitrate" and "VBR mode" can be selected together? I thought the -b switch was only for cbr.

Things related to "LFE to LR" and "Output mode" on Advanced settings tab.
In 5.1 mode both options cannot be checked. Imo disabling the checkboxes completely would be clearer.
When you switch from Stereo to 5.1 mode, both options are removed from command string but not unchecked unless you click on them.
When switching from Stereo to 5.1 on one encoder tab, then changing to another encoder tab where Stereo is selected (or no 5.1 possible), both options stay disabled. You have to go back to the tab where you switched to 5.1 channels and switch back to Stereo there. Even switching to 5.1 and back to Stereo on a different tab does not enable the two options.
When switching from 5.1 back to Stereo on Vorbis tab, both options get enabled and checked in the GUI again but no change to the command string occurs.
In 5.1 mode when both options are disabled, clicking on "LFE to LR" does not change the GUI but puts "-s" into the command string and deletes "-L" from it. When clicking on "Output mode" it's the other way round.
When "LFE to LR" is unchecked and "Output mode" checked, unchecking "Output mode" removes "-s" but adds "-L" to command string.
When selecting 5.1 output on WAV/PCM tab, you can still check both options.
When both options are unchecked, checking "LFE to LR" adds both "-L" and "-s" to command string.All this makes me believe the on/off automatic for the two functions might need some fine tuning.


Suggestions
Boost: On the German Doom9 forum LigH suggested (http://forum.gleitz.info/showpost.php?p=41321&postcount=2) for his LigH algorithm a boost factor of 3 and for DSPguru's algorithm a boost factor of 4 as appropriate and safe settings. Maybe change BeLight's values accordingly?
When BeSweet.exe is not there in BeLight's directory the "Start" button simply does nothing. A little note on the reason for the error would be nice.


Lame question: (Gabriel, you might know best)
Is a lame command line of "-m j -v --vbr-old -V 2" equivalent to "--preset standard"? At least that is BeLight's command line for the quality slider's "preset standard" position (similar for the other presets). The answer is especially important for Lame 3.90 because that's the version shipping with latest BeSweet 1.5b29.

Before I forget: Kurtnoise13, could you provide an updated translation file? With the new mp3 tab translations will need updating.

P.S.: The overwrite dialog is great. I've always missed that in BeSweet/BeSweetGUI. Oh, and now that I see the mp3 quality hint: it's definitely better than a label.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Originally posted by Brother John
On startup, when input/output files already had been selected, logfile name is reduced to its file extension. Also when changing encoder tabs, output file name gets reduced to its file extension.

Yes I know...I must fix it right now.

Originally posted by Brother John
When disabling azid's dynamic compression and then checking any other option, "-c" reappears in the command string, but the GUI checkbox stays unchecked.

ok...I'll fix it.

Originally posted by Brother John
Boost: For DSPguru's algorithm "/l=0.95" is not written to command string. Is this intentional?
No, sorry. It's not intentional.

Originally posted by Brother John
When switching from a different language back to English, the "recommanded" typo on Vorbis tab still exists.

Yes I know...It's fixed now.

Originally posted by Brother John
For dialog normalization reduction "-n" is written to command string, which doesn't enable DNR. The switch needs a nonzero number as an argument: "-n 1" or "-n1". It might work nonetheless when using hybridgain or dynamic compression "-c" because those functions enable DNR automatically for 5.1 downmixes.

Are you sure ? When I checked Azid documentation, I saw -n function for DNR. Maybe I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Brother John
Note: Should you consider implementing rear channel filtering into BeLight at some time, it works the same. "-f 1" or "-f1" are needed to enable the function properly.

Ok, I can add it.

Originally posted by Brother John
AAC: When switching from vbr to cbr, "-vbr_..." remains in the command string in addition to "-cbr".
When AAC tab was selected before closing BeLight, on startup no bsn-section is written to command string.
AAC: When switching from Stereo to 5.1 (or vice versa) every checkbox on the tab gets unchecked. The command string is emptied accordingly.
When "Profiles" checkbox is not checked and you chose a vbr preset or cbr bitrate, "-aacprofile_he" is always added to command string.
When mp3 tab is selected on startup, an empty lame section "-lame( )" appears in the command string.
MP2: When you switch encoder engine to MP2enc and then check anything on that tab, command string goes back to "-toolame(...)".
MP2: When you choose a different "Encoding Mode" than "Joint Stereo" and then check anything else on the tab, command string changes back to "-m j".

aa yes...stupid bugs.

Originally posted by Brother John
MP2: Is it ok that "Total bitrate" and "VBR mode" can be selected together? I thought the -b switch was only for cbr.
The -b switch works for vbr too.

Originally posted by Brother John
In 5.1 mode both options cannot be checked. Imo disabling the checkboxes completely would be clearer.
When you switch from Stereo to 5.1 mode, both options are removed from command string but not unchecked unless you click on them.
When switching from Stereo to 5.1 on one encoder tab, then changing to another encoder tab where Stereo is selected (or no 5.1 possible), both options stay disabled. You have to go back to the tab where you switched to 5.1 channels and switch back to Stereo there. Even switching to 5.1 and back to Stereo on a different tab does not enable the two options.
When switching from 5.1 back to Stereo on Vorbis tab, both options get enabled and checked in the GUI again but no change to the command string occurs.
In 5.1 mode when both options are disabled, clicking on "LFE to LR" does not change the GUI but puts "-s" into the command string and deletes "-L" from it. When clicking on "Output mode" it's the other way round.
When "LFE to LR" is unchecked and "Output mode" checked, unchecking "Output mode" removes "-s" but adds "-L" to command string.
When selecting 5.1 output on WAV/PCM tab, you can still check both options.
When both options are unchecked, checking "LFE to LR" adds both "-L" and "-s" to command string.

Some of these bugs are known but thanks to point me out the others. I'm fixing them.

Originally posted by Brother John
Boost: On the German Doom9 forum LigH suggested (http://forum.gleitz.info/showpost.php?p=41321&postcount=2) for his LigH algorithm a boost factor of 3 and for DSPguru's algorithm a boost factor of 4 as appropriate and safe settings. Maybe change BeLight's values accordingly?

Ok, no problem.

Originally posted by Brother John
When BeSweet.exe is not there in BeLight's directory the "Start" button simply does nothing. A little note on the reason for the error would be nice.

Yes, for sure. ;)

Originally posted by Brother John

Lame question: (Gabriel, you might know best)
Is a lame command line of "-m j -v --vbr-old -V 2" equivalent to "--preset standard"? At least that is BeLight's command line for the quality slider's "preset standard" position (similar for the other presets). The answer is especially important for Lame 3.90 because that's the version shipping with latest BeSweet 1.5b29.

Gabriel should know that better than me, but check this post (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18091) on HA. BeLight is based on these equivalences.


Originally posted by Brother John
Before I forget: Kurtnoise13, could you provide an updated translation file? With the new mp3 tab translations will need updating.

Not for the moment coz I need to rewrite the language support in my code. I'll post some info on this subject as soon as it will be ready. :)

Originally posted by Brother John
The overwrite dialog is great. I've always missed that in BeSweet/BeSweetGUI. Oh, and now that I see the mp3 quality hint: it's definitely better than a label.
;)

Anyway, thank you for the bugs report.

[Kurtnoise]

One other issue with the last beta : the new mp3 CBR Mode doesn't works properly. :o

[Kurtnoise]

BeLight is hosted on CoreCodec (http://corecodec.org/projects/belight/) now. :)


Many thanks to CC.org team especially Dan Marlin, Toff and BlackSun. Thanks guys. ;)

[filewalker]

I updated now from 0.19 to 0.21. beta2.

Why did you delete the quality profiles in the AAC tab?
It was so functional & clearly. :(
I don't see any disadvantage if you would let it in the AAC tab.

edit: sorry, I forgot to look at the top, where the presets are listed.It's more clearly in this way THANKS!



Btw. what's the progres with VOBinput?


...really great work! :)

Cu filewalker

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by filewalker
Btw. what's the progres with VOBinput?

under construction...I've a bunch of errors to fix before to add new thing. ;)

BTW if your VOB contains only one audio stream and you have VOBInput.dll in BeLight folder, all should work fine by choosing "All Files" from the input list normally...

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

Is a lame command line of "-m j -v --vbr-old -V 2" equivalent to "--preset standard"?
With 3.94 and upper, yes.

[Brother John]

Originally posted by Gabriel_Bouvigne
With 3.94 and upper, yes.
Unfortunately latest BeSweet archive contains Lame dll 3.90. That's why I think it would be a good idea to use --preset command line for preset slider positions. At least until BeSweet comes with a more recent Lame dll.
Thanks for the HA link, Kurt. Interesting read!

Concerning DNR: Yes, I'm sure it has to be "-n1". BeSweet documentation gives "-n BOOL" as syntax. I also tested this command line:besweet.exe -core( -input "Audio eng.ac3" -output Test.m4a ) -azid( -n ) -bsn( -6chnew )BeSweet tells me:[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
When changing Azid section to "-azid( -n1 )" DNR is active. In fact any nonzero value will do.

Another 3 things I found:
Vorbis: BeLight's CBR mode actually produces an ABR file, e.g. "-b 128 -m 96 -M 256" and "-b 128" result in bit-identical files. Encoder version was 1.1.0.
From oggenc's documentation: "-b n, --bitrate=n. Sets encoding to the bitrate closest to n (in kb/s)." Does Vorbis even have a CBR mode?
Lame: CBR bitrate slider should be restricted to valid cbr bitrates. BeSweet aborts otherwise ("Error 47: Error with Lame dll"). Did you mean that when saying "the new mp3 CBR Mode doesn't works properly"?
Lame: Minimum allowed bitrate for "--abr" is 77 for v3.90 and 72 for v3.96. "Error 47" will occur when lower.

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

Lame: Minimum allowed bitrate for "--abr" is 77 for v3.90 and 72 for v3.96. "Error 47" will occur when lower.
For 3.96 the minimum abr bitrate is 8.

[Gabriel_Bouvigne]

BeSweet and BeLight are using the Lame dll or the Lame exe?

[Brother John]

BeSweet uses lame dll.

lame_enc.dll
140800 bytes
08/08/2003, 14:59

When transcoding to MP3 this message appears:
"Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (8/8/2003), Engine 3.90 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>."

You can of course use a differen lame_enc.dll, but above is the one shipped with BeSweet.

Edit:
Tested the min bitrates using stereo wave input in 44.1 and 48 kHz. My 3.96 dll is dated 07/26/2004. Downloaded from rarewares.org iirc.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Brother John
Concerning DNR: Yes, I'm sure it has to be "-n1". BeSweet documentation gives "-n BOOL" as syntax. I also tested this command line:besweet.exe -core( -input "Audio eng.ac3" -output Test.m4a ) -azid( -n ) -bsn( -6chnew )BeSweet tells me:[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
When changing Azid section to "-azid( -n1 )" DNR is active. In fact any nonzero value will do.
That's pretty strange indeed...:confused:

I tested on my first sample (AC3_6ch 48 KHz) :
BeSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Sep 24 2004 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 12/27/04 , 17:48:45.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ac3
-output D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ogg
-logfile D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.log )
-azid( -n -s stereo -c normal -L -3db )
-ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.200 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.200
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:02:17:056] Gain of 5.7dB had been asserted to file.
[00:02:17:056] Conversion Completed !
[00:02:17:056] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 95kbps
[00:00:51:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 12/27/04 , 17:49:36.


BeSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Sep 24 2004 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 12/27/04 , 17:51:33.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ac3
-output D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ogg
-logfile D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.log )
-azid( -n1 -s stereo -c normal -L -3db )
-ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.200 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Music\CHAPTER_17.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.200
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:02:17:056] Gain of 4.9dB had been asserted to file.
[00:02:17:056] Conversion Completed !
[00:02:17:056] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 90kbps
[00:00:46:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 12/27/04 , 17:52:19.


Originally posted by Brother John
Vorbis: BeLight's CBR mode actually produces an ABR file, e.g. "-b 128 -m 96 -M 256" and "-b 128" result in bit-identical files. Encoder version was 1.1.0.
From oggenc's documentation: "-b n, --bitrate=n. Sets encoding to the bitrate closest to n (in kb/s)." Does Vorbis even have a CBR mode?
mmh yes...check (http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis-dev/2004-September/017670.html) the ML.

Originally posted by Brother John
Lame: CBR bitrate slider should be restricted to valid cbr bitrates. BeSweet aborts otherwise ("Error 47: Error with Lame dll"). Did you mean that when saying "the new mp3 CBR Mode doesn't works properly"?
yes...exactly.

[Brother John]

DNR: It works because you were doing a downmix to stereo using -c and -hybridgain. As I wrote above: "It might work nonetheless when using hybridgain or dynamic compression "-c" because those functions enable DNR automatically for 5.1 downmixes." In fact using hybridgain enables DNR automatically even if you keep the 6ch. Do a 5.1 -> 5.1 transcoding with pregain/postgain/no gain at all like in my example. DNR will stay disabled when using "-n". If you don't have Nero, try 6ch vorbis.

Vorbis: Maybe BeSweet does not support CBR Vorbis? After all it's only available since 1.1.0.
Well, to make sure I encoded the same file (16bit stereo wave) twice. libvorbis.dll used was the v1.1.0 compile from rarewares.org (P4 version) dated 2004-09-24.besweet.exe -core( -input testin.wav -output test_cbr.ogg ) -ogg( -b 128 )andbesweet.exe -core( -input testin.wav -output test_abr.ogg ) -ogg( -b 128 -m 96 -M 256 )
The resulting files - in contrast to my statement above - are exactly the same size but not bit-identical.
However, ogginfo tells me this for test_cbr.ogg:Processing file "test_cbr.ogg"...

New logical stream (#1, serial: 000073f8): type vorbis
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20040920
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 128,000000 kb/s
Upper bitrate not set
Lower bitrate not set
User comments section follows...
ENCODED_USING=Made with BeSweet v1.5b29
ENCODER_URL=http://DSPguru.doom9.org
Vorbis stream 1:
Total data length: 2353385 bytes
Playback length: 2m:25.053s
Average bitrate: 129,794191 kb/s
Logical stream 1 ended
129,794191 kbps looks a lot like abr to me. And the number is exactly the same for test_abr.ogg.

Then I did another test:besweet.exe -core( -input testin.wav -output test_cbr2.ogg ) -ogg( -b 128 -m 128 -M 128 )
Even for this file ogginfo displays an average bitrate of 129,794191 kbps. However, that's always really close to true 128,000. Let's see what oggenc2.exe does (Oggenc2.3 using libVorbis v1.1.0 dated 2004-10-23; P4 compile from rarewares.org)

Command line:oggenc2 testin.wav -b 128 -m 128 -M 128
oggenc's final output:
File length: 2m 25,0s
Elapsed time: 0m 30,0s
Rate: 4,8351
Average bitrate: 129,8 kb/s

And ogginfo output:Processing file "test_cbr_oggenc.ogg"...

New logical stream (#1, serial: 0000092b): type vorbis
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20040920
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 128,000000 kb/s
Upper bitrate: 128,000000 kb/s
Lower bitrate: 128,000000 kb/s
Vorbis stream 1:
Total data length: 2353386 bytes
Playback length: 2m:25.053s
Average bitrate: 129,794246 kb/s
Logical stream 1 ended

Testing aborted. I'm confused. Are the numbers given by ogginfo and oggenc2 wrong? Is Vorbis cbr implemented with no way to use it yet? Does BeSweet support Vorbis cbr or not? Who'd want to use Vorbis cbr in the first place?

[Imperial Llama]

I think this new MP3 tab is great. :)

There is one thing I've noticed with the version of lame_enc.dll that comes with BeSweet (and 3.96.1 from Rarewares too) that I think people should be aware of:

For some reason it sets the minimum bitrate for the -V modes to 128, where as the command line version only does this for -V 2 or lower. This means when you try to use a low quality you often end up with what is effectively a 128kbps CBR file. I don't know whether this behaviour is intentional, but I always use -b 32 with -V modes greater than 2 so you end up with lower VBR bitrates like you get when you use the command line version.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Brother John
DNR: It works because you were doing a downmix to stereo using -c and -hybridgain. As I wrote above: "It might work nonetheless when using hybridgain or dynamic compression "-c" because those functions enable DNR automatically for 5.1 downmixes." In fact using hybridgain enables DNR automatically even if you keep the 6ch. Do a 5.1 -> 5.1 transcoding with pregain/postgain/no gain at all like in my example. DNR will stay disabled when using "-n". If you don't have Nero, try 6ch vorbis.
Well...ok. I didn't know that.


About cbr Vorbis :
I think you misunderstood "Average bitrate" and "Nominal Bitrate" terms.

Nominal means a state of bitrate that the encoder *should* try to keep to. Some audio streams have more or less certain complexity in their structure. That's why the bitrate can fluctuate around this specified value.
Average refers here to the bitrate means calculation of the file.

BTW, CBR Vorbis mode under BeSweet or oggenc isn't recommended yet to have the best results. I put it under BeLight because I think about the future.....;) when this will be completely operational.

[m0rtal]

Well, AFAIK, Vorbis do not have any working cbr implementation ATM - this codec was not intended to work in such mode. Why do you want cbr, anyway?

[Brother John]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
I think you misunderstood "Average bitrate" and "Nominal Bitrate" terms.
I know about the difference. For true VBR nominal bitrate is only a very rough estimation of resulting average bitrate. But ABR mode is designed to keep the variable distribution of bitrate and match the nominal bitrate as closely as possible.
My point is: When encoding true CBR, nominal and average bitrate should be exactly the same. Because if we leave things like bit reservoir out of the equation the encoder assigns the same amount of bits to every frame without considering audio complexity. That's the point of a constant bitrate, isn't it?
And that's why I can't believe (given oggenc and ogginfo report correct numbers) 129,794246 kbit to be cbr. If it were 128.1 or 127.9 maybe because of things like bit reservoir. A deviation of 1.7 kbit however, that's definitely too much.

I think m0rtal is right: Presently there is no way to actually encode cbr with Vorbis, so there's not much use for the option in BeLight at the moment.

Btw: Is there a tool that can show bitrate distribution for ogg vorbis files? That might help to clear things up.

[m0rtal]

Brother John
if we leave things like bit reservoir out of the equation the encoder assigns the same amount of bits to every frame without considering audio complexity. That's the point of a constant bitrate, isn't it?
yep, exactly

IIRC, Vorbis codec was intentionally written with "VBR" only - to achieve maximum quality, etc... So the implementation of CBR mode is very tough in Vorbis :)

so there's not much use for the option in BeLight at the moment
exactly :)

Is there a tool that can show bitrate distribution for ogg vorbis files? That might help to clear things up
never heard :(

[Kurtnoise]

Is there a tool that can show bitrate distribution for ogg vorbis files? That might help to clear things upoggspot (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/oggspot.zip) ...;)


But please, back to the topic right now.

[m0rtal]

yeah, sorry :)
you know, yesterday I've tried BeLight... no issues so far, even though I'm experienced bug tracker :)

[m0rtal]

well, actually I've catched a few "bugz"...

- when opening BeLight (BL), old filenames are stored in "Input" and "Output", but actually even if those files already exists, BL don't open them. Is it intentional? 'Couse I often encode files with same names, and it's confusing to have filename completed in "Input" field, but not having it opened...
- when overvriting existing file, BL asks questions in French (?!)
- main window is placed in the center of desktop - it's ok, but when opening "Advanced Settings", new window is half-off the screen to the right :( very annoying
- if "Input" field leaved unchanged since last time program was closed, clicking on "Advanced Settings" shows all fields unhidden - I mean, some are not grayed out (see first issue)

That's all for now

PS: Almost forgot... it's good to have "Priority" function - to run process with desired priority (i.e., low, idle, high, etc...)
Thanks!

[m0rtal]

just catch another one...
for some strange reason, BL uses LigH boost istead of selected DSPGuru... wtf? :(

[m0rtal]

aaand another one:
"Output Log file" is always turned ON by default, even if unchecked.
I can redirect output to screen only by checking and unchecking this option :(

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by m0rtal
- when opening BeLight (BL), old filenames are stored in "Input" and "Output", but actually even if those files already exists, BL don't open them. Is it intentional? 'Couse I often encode files with same names, and it's confusing to have filename completed in "Input" field, but not having it opened...
Why would you open the files whereas they are already in the input field ? If your files have all the same name, just click on Start...

Originally posted by m0rtal
- when overvriting existing file, BL asks questions in French (?!)

:D Not my fault....

Originally posted by m0rtal
- main window is placed in the center of desktop - it's ok, but when opening "Advanced Settings", new window is half-off the screen to the right :( very annoying

The question is why is it annoying for you ?? I can managed it on the center if you want. ;)

Originally posted by m0rtal
- if "Input" field leaved unchanged since last time program was closed, clicking on "Advanced Settings" shows all fields unhidden - I mean, some are not grayed out (see first issue)
It depends of the input format. For AC3, nothing is grayed but for the others the Azid Settings is disabled.


Originally posted by m0rtal
PS: Almost forgot... it's good to have "Priority" function - to run process with desired priority (i.e., low, idle, high, etc...)

Yes I know...

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by m0rtal
just catch another one...
for some strange reason, BL uses LigH boost istead of selected DSPGuru... wtf? :(
huh ?? I tested this morning and all seems to work fine.

Post your log file otherwhise...

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by m0rtal
aaand another one:
"Output Log file" is always turned ON by default, even if unchecked.
I can redirect output to screen only by checking and unchecking this option :(
I corrected this issue last night...:p

[m0rtal]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Why would you open the files whereas they are already in the input field ? If your files have all the same name, just click on Start...
...and if I want to adjust some settings? In this case I still have to reopen files - to have correct options hidden/unhidden, checked/unchecked, etc...


:D Not my fault....
then who's? my default language is russian :)


The question is why is it annoying for you ?? I can managed it on the center if you want. ;)
it's annoying because I have to drag it to center every time I open it :)

It depends of the input format. For AC3, nothing is grayed but for the others the Azid Settings is disabled.
yes, I know, but if no file is opened, but filename is completed in the "Input" field, all options are available...
it's really confisung... I'm doing a lot of job on my PC and can forgot - did I've already open file or not... if it's opened, why all options are available, and if not - why I can see it's filename already filled?
You get my point?
No offence meaned :)

[m0rtal]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
huh ?? I tested this morning and all seems to work fine.

Post your log file otherwhise...
ok, tonight :)

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by m0rtal
...and if I want to adjust some settings? In this case I still have to reopen files - to have correct options hidden/unhidden, checked/unchecked, etc...
ok...I see. I'll try to make this better.


Originally posted by m0rtal
yes, I know, but if no file is opened, but filename is completed in the "Input" field, all options are available...
it's really confisung... I'm doing a lot of job on my PC and can forgot - did I've already open file or not... if it's opened, why all options are available, and if not - why I can see it's filename already filled?
You get my point?
No offence meaned :)
Ok...I'll change it.

[m0rtal]

thanks :)
you are doing very importand job :)

[Kurtnoise]

Hi guys,

Here is 0.21 beta 3 release (http://corecodec.org/projects/belight/). ;)

Changes from the 0.21 beta 2 :

- Updated : CBR mp3 part. It works great now.
- Modified : new Vorbis Q-Mode. Tell me what do you think about that....;-)
- Fixed : lot of stupid & cosmetics bugs reported by my best beta-testers (especially Brother John and Beiji...10x dudes).

Note:
- in this release, Multilanguage has been removed temporary...I'm rewritting this part right now.
@KillingSpree : I think you can start to write the guide now ;). If you want some help, I'm here.



Feel free to test it...and Happy New Year 2005 !!! :p

[Kurtnoise]

Bugs known :

Azid Settings disabling doesn't works properly if input files are wav, mp3, vorbis...
BSN settings loading doesn't work.


The second issue has been fixed...I'm resolving the first one.

[Brother John]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Bugs known
Exactly the two things I found today. Nothing else. I'm looking forward to 0.21 final not just being called but actually feeling and working as a final version. Good job, Kurtnoise13!

The changed Vorbis tab is nice. To make all the encoder tabs look even more consistent maybe intruduce a slider for AC3 and MP2, too?

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Brother John
Exactly the two things I found today. Nothing else. I'm looking forward to 0.21 final not just being called but actually feeling and working as a final version. Good job, Kurtnoise13!
Yep...I prefer to fix all bugs before to launch a stable version. ;) BTW, the 2 issues listed above are fixed now.

Originally posted by Brother John
The changed Vorbis tab is nice. To make all the encoder tabs look even more consistent maybe intruduce a slider for AC3 and MP2, too?
You read in my thoughts, isn't it ?? :D Yes, I added a slider for AC3 and MP2. Concerning vorbis Q-Mode, I'm trying different things because when the slider is moved, the values chosen for q settings aren't very precise. We need to use the mouse or arrows keyboard to select the q wanted. So, I managed different things to find the best for you. ;)

[apeness]

Hi Kurtnoise13, I just downloaded Belight and wish to convert a 6ch AC3 file to the best quality WAV. I wish to have the same format as you would have when you rip the WAVs out from an audio CD.

There are 4 options under WAV.

1. 16 bits 5.1 Wav
2. 16 bits stereo Wav
3. 16 bits (Six)Mono Waves
4. 32 bits (Six)Mono Waves

which should I choose? What's the difference between each of them? Which is the format that is the same as what you would get when you rip the WAVs out from an audio CD?

as for the mode:

1. HybridGain
2. PostGain
3. PreGain

Which should I choose?

Thank you very much for this neat program.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Originally posted by apeness
There are 4 options under WAV.

1. 16 bits 5.1 Wav
2. 16 bits stereo Wav
3. 16 bits (Six)Mono Waves
4. 32 bits (Six)Mono Waves

which should I choose?
It depends what you want to do exactly...

Originally posted by apeness
What's the difference between each of them?
1) To have a multichannel wav file (6 channels).
2) To have a stereo wav file (2 channels).
3) To have 6 mono wav files (1 file for each channels) but with a bits depth equals to 16. The same value as CD-A and DVD in general.
4) To have 6 mono wav files (1 file for each channels) but with a bits depth equals to 32.

Originally posted by apeness
Which is the format that is the same as what you would get when you rip the WAVs out from an audio CD?
Number 2. The only difference with CD-Audio can be the Sampling Rate. Most DVD have a Sampling Rate of 48 KHz whereas CD-Audio is 44,1 KHz.

Originally posted by apeness
as for the mode:

1. HybridGain
2. PostGain
3. PreGain

Which should I choose?
If you don't know what is it exactly, let it by default.

[daphy]

:( can´t save my setttings in belight -> maybe an error in the path settings (two back slash)?
http://img153.exs.cx/img153/8999/image15pm.jpg

[Kurtnoise]

Which version did you use ?

It seems to be an old bug...In the lastest betas, this function (load/save settings) has been removed.

[allclone]

I dont know if this is a format issue or a command line problem but when I try to convert a 160kbps 48khz mp2 file to a HE-AAC 40kbps down mixed to mono the speed is very slow. I think it is something I am not doing write but I do not know where ells to ask.

PS. Great GUI every thing ells works good as far as I can tell.

[Kurtnoise]

Yeah...some people have noticed the same buzz. Maybe it's a bug into bsn/besweet ?? I don't know really. I tested directly into Nero and all seems to be ok with it. If someone have an idea to help us...

[allclone]

Cool, thanks for the quick reply.

[blueberet]

Having problems converting ogg to WAV
The procedure entry point vorbis_sythesis_halfrate could not be located in the dynamic link library vorbis.dll

May have nothing to do with your excellent interface. Can you advise?

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

1°) Which BeSweet release did you use ??
~~> Try this one (http://dspguru.notrace.dk/BeSweetv1.5b29.zip), and tell me what's happend.

2°) Which vorbis.dll do you have ??
~~> Try this one (http://www.rarewares.org/files/ogg/libvorbis1.1.0.zip) (Put it directly into BeLight/BeSweet folder).

[blueberet]

Updated both files. New error libmmd.dll not found. I'm obviously missing a few things

[Kurtnoise]

http://www.rarewares.org/files/libmmd8.1.zip :: put it also in the same folder.

[blueberet]

Thanks so much Kurtnoise13. It's transcoding now. I really appreciate you taking the extra time to get this working for me. Good luck with your projects!
Cheers :)

[m0rtal]

I'm back, sorry for the delay.
Well, in new version file overwriting diologue is still in french...

[allclone]

I dont know if this is a ISP/Router problem but I cannot get to corecodec.org so I can not download the newest release, if someone could tell me were I could find a nother source to get the newest build that would be great

Thanks

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by allclone
I dont know if this is a ISP/Router problem but I cannot get to corecodec.org so I can not download the newest release, if someone could tell me were I could find a nother source to get the newest build that would be great

Thanks I have to use a proxy to get there, I guess my isp doesn't like that site for some reason

[Kurtnoise]

A link mirror (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight-0.21_beta3.zip)...But First, try again to download at CoreCodec.


in new version file overwriting diologue is still in french...
I knew that I missed something...:) It's corrected now.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
A link mirror (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight-0.21_beta3.zip)...But First, try again to download at CoreCodec.

I never had problems downloading your files at corecodec. The only thing that hits me was the hidden download button because of the high resolution on this website. Even @ 1024*768 it's out of reach, so you have to scroll to the right :D ;)
Mostly the problem arises with hidden referrers, so if everybody is turning their browsers to default, there should be no problems.
I tried it with an online proxy and software proxy too. No problem.

Thanks for your nice work. It is really appreciated.

Cheers

Taurus

[allclone]

I thought it might be somthing like that.

Thanks

[Kurtnoise]

0.21 stable release is now available (http://corecodec.org/projects/belight/). ;)

Changes from 0.20 :
- Added : VOB input files support.
- Added : Different Priorities for the process.
- Added : Overwrite asking if your output file is already in the output folder.
- Revisited : MP3 part according to Gabriel Bouvigne recommandations.
- Improved : Bitrate Management for Vorbis, AC3 and MP2 output formats.
- Fixed : lot of bugs.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
0.21 stable release is now available (http://corecodec.org/projects/belight/). ;)

Thanks a lot, Kurt.
Your work is very much appreciated.
Now we go bughunting again.;)

Cheers

Taurus

[filewalker]

thanks for the promised VOB input support! :)

If I have time , I'll test it.

Cu

[castellanos]

To Kurtnoise13
I've been using your program for a while, and I must say that it is really, really great: Congratulations!!
I've only one critic, and is not to you, but to the moderators: How is possible that this post is still not "Sticky" and still no direct link in the "download section" of this site, to download BeLight?
Greetings! ;)

[drob]

Kurt any chance you would make BeLight compatible with 800x600?

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by drob
Kurt any chance you would make BeLight compatible with 800x600?
mmmmh...I'll try but why do you like these low resolutions ? :D

[drob]

I just never liked the high resolutions, less means more :D

[martoQ]

Excellent work Kurt. I have been banging my head with BeSweetGUI for over a week now trying to get it to produce a clean VirtualDubMOD compatible file that I could mux in and had nothing but problems. Found your app, gave it a try and bang, worked like a champ.

I do have a question as I am in the process of converting roughly 20 streams from AC3 to MP3. I cannot seem to get batch mode to work. Am I missing something? When I click on ADD TO JOB QUEUE nothing happens. Further I didn't see any place to look at whats actually in the queue, etc. When I actually click start, it just process's the currently loaded AC3 and ignores anything that I "queued."

Am I just missing something simple?

[Bluedan]

I cannot seem to get batch mode to work. Am I missing something? When I click on ADD TO JOB QUEUE nothing happens.

It's not implemented yet.
Former versions had problems with that feature.
For this task I'm afraid you still have to use BeSweet GUI.

Anyway, it shouldn't be that tough to get BeSweet do what you want it to.
I guess you wanted to produce mp3 out of ac3 again?
If you are unsure which options to tick (though the tooltip balloons tell you quite enough) then stick to the presets shown in the right upper corner of the GUI.
Select one and go.

But yes, I second that batch feature in BeLight, too!! :D

[martoQ]

Unfortunately BeSweet would not produce proper MP3's. I tried AAC's and OOG's, unfortunately VirtualdubMOD is a bit picky. I don't want to post my encoding problems here, but if you would like to discuss it in PM I would be more than will to talk to you. To give you a quick idea, the MP3-WAVE are producing MP3's with the wrong audio stream lengthes. MP3 is will now compress with CBR, and the OOG's that are produced are not being read by VDM which I think is a bug as it just shows the audio stream as being 0 bytes, producing no audio.

Belight looks like it just passes the right tag's to BeSweet as its MP3's that get generated are clean and sync nicely.

So again kudo's Kurt.

And thank you for the batch response. At least I know I am not doing something foolish.

[Kurtnoise]

Heyyy boys,

Originally posted by Bluedan
But yes, I second that batch feature in BeLight, too!! :D

I work on it... ;)

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/belight_0.22b1.jpg

I hope to finish properly at the end of the week...So, be patient. :)

[martoQ]

Very sweet! Thank you!

[Bluedan]

Great.
Was just a bit worried you could have been caught away from this project by womens attraction, or so... :scared:

It looks promising!

And I like the audio file list, too!!

OT: Try Mirah - C'mon miracle on CD/LP

[section31]

Your GUI is darn pretty. Thanks. I love you.

[filewalker]

Now I played around with your nice GUI (Belight 0.21 stable).:)

I only loaded VOB files as input.

Now I wanna ask you if the following íssues are intentional:

1) If an AAC preset is selected, it's adopted in the CL and the quality of the bitrate in the "Bitrate Managmnent" but HE/LC AAC profiles aren't adopted in the AAC Nero Encoder options...it's a little bit confusing.

2) If the output-name is changed manually, and if I change the to another tab(AAC/AC3/MP2/MP3/Vorbis/WAV/PCM) the manual written outputname is deleted and is changed to the input name.

3) Concerning LFE, "Dialog NormalizationReduction" and "Normalize":
If I goto the advanced settings, deselect the "LFE to LR ch." box, press ok.(In the CL everthing looks ok)
If you press now one of the other tabs (AAC/AC3/MP2/MP3/Vorbis/WAV/PCM), the CL shows me that "LFE to LR ch." is activated.
If I look now in the advanced settings, I see that it's unselected!
I have to select and unselect it again, so that the CL is correct again.

The same bahaviour is for the 2 other azid settings:"Dialog NormalizationReduction","Normalize" and for Nero's HE/LC profiles.

4) If AAC tab is selected,
and in Advanced settings": Dialog NormalizationReduction" and "Normalize" and "output mode" is selected, and "LFE to LR ch." is unselected,

it happens now that if I select a HE/LC AAC profile (from drop down menue) or "PreGain", the CL shows me that:
"Normalize" is inactive
"LFE to LR ch." is active
"Dialog Normalization Reduction" is deactivated
("output mode" stays the same)



Cu filewalker

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Bluedan
Was just a bit worried you could have been caught away from this project by womens attraction, or so... :scared:
Yes...fortunaly I've a real life. (job, girlfriend, some others hobbies...)

:cool:

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by filewalker
1) If an AAC preset is selected, it's adopted in the CL and the quality of the bitrate in the "Bitrate Managmnent" but HE/LC AAC profiles aren't adopted in the AAC Nero Encoder options...it's a little bit confusing.
With this version, I've decided to leave the users to set themselves the settings for the AAC tab. I think it's better as E-male has suggested in bsn thread. If you want to have the same profiles as Nero Encoder, use the different presets. ;)

Originally posted by filewalker

2) If the output-name is changed manually, and if I change the to another tab(AAC/AC3/MP2/MP3/Vorbis/WAV/PCM) the manual written outputname is deleted and is changed to the input name.

3) Concerning LFE, "Dialog NormalizationReduction" and "Normalize":
If I goto the advanced settings, deselect the "LFE to LR ch." box, press ok.(In the CL everthing looks ok)
If you press now one of the other tabs (AAC/AC3/MP2/MP3/Vorbis/WAV/PCM), the CL shows me that "LFE to LR ch." is activated.
If I look now in the advanced settings, I see that it's unselected!
I have to select and unselect it again, so that the CL is correct again.

The same bahaviour is for the 2 other azid settings:"Dialog NormalizationReduction","Normalize" and for Nero's HE/LC profiles.

4) If AAC tab is selected,
and in Advanced settings": Dialog NormalizationReduction" and "Normalize" and "output mode" is selected, and "LFE to LR ch." is unselected,

it happens now that if I select a HE/LC AAC profile (from drop down menue) or "PreGain", the CL shows me that:
"Normalize" is inactive
"LFE to LR ch." is active
"Dialog Normalization Reduction" is deactivated
("output mode" stays the same)
Yes, I know and It was not intentional. Sorry for these problems. I'll fix them.

[filewalker]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
With this version, I've decided to leave the users to set themselves the settings for the AAC tab. I think it's better as E-male has suggested in bsn thread. If you want to have the same profiles as Nero Encoder, use the different presets. ;)
I meant the Nero presets...I used the presets from the dropdown menue where the Nero presets are listed.

e.g.

I chose the Nero preset from drop down list: AAC-->LC-->"VBR/2,0 -Internet (90-100kbps)"
The CL shows me the chosen preset correctly:
bsn( -2ch -vbr_internet -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc )

The "output channels" info is set correctly to "2channles"

and "Birate Mode/Quality" is also set correctly as chosen from the Nero preset to VBR mode: "internet" quality

Is it really intentional that only the AAC "Profile"( from AAC Nero Encoder options) isn't corrected and displays something what wasn't chosen from the Nero "presets"

This sounds not really logical for me...but it's your baby.


I have another question:
I activated "Output logfile", I encoded from the VOB file 3 streams, but I only got a logfile from 1 stream.
Any idea? The logfile has the same name as the input VOB file...maybe it can't be overwritten from the second and third logfile?

It would be beautiful if log file export could be handeled similiar to BeSweetGUI, one ongoing logfile called BeLight.log which contains all further logfiles from every stream.
What do you think?


Cu filewalker

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by filewalker
I chose the Nero preset from drop down list: AAC-->LC-->"VBR/2,0 -Internet (90-100kbps)"
The CL shows me the chosen preset correctly:
bsn( -2ch -vbr_internet -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc )

The "output channels" info is set correctly to "2channles"

and "Birate Mode/Quality" is also set correctly as chosen from the Nero preset to VBR mode: "internet" quality

Is it really intentional that only the AAC "Profile"( from AAC Nero Encoder options) isn't corrected and displays something what wasn't chosen from the Nero "presets"
Ok...I see but this appears only on the interface, right ? The command line is correct. I forgot something for LC part. :o

Originally posted by filewalker
I have another question:
I activated "Output logfile", I encoded from the VOB file 3 streams, but I only got a logfile from 1 stream.
Any idea? The logfile has the same name as the input VOB file...maybe it can't be overwritten from the second and third logfile?
Yes, the log files are overwritten if the input files are the same name. I can change that to avoid the overwritting. ;)

Originally posted by filewalker
It would be beautiful if log file export could be handeled similiar to BeSweetGUI, one ongoing logfile called BeLight.log which contains all further logfiles from every stream.
What do you think?
It's expected. ;)

[filewalker]

Ok...I see but this appears only on the interface, right ? The command line is correct. I forgot something for LC part. Yes, only on the interface, CL is correct.


Cu

[Elias]

So why isn't AAC encoding working now? It worked last time, but it was kind of buggy because the file became 2 seconds longer than the original source. But it isn't working at all right now.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by Elias
So why isn't AAC encoding working now? It worked last time, but it was kind of buggy because the file became 2 seconds longer than the original source. But it isn't working at all right now.

Sure you use Belight 0.21?
I just did a quick test. Took a mp3 (44100)and encoded it with all available encoders. Everything worked like a charme. Same on an AC3 file. All switches on aac (mp4)tab are working for me. Maybe there is something messed up on your side. All correct *.dll's and *.exe's in your Besweet/BeLight folder? Playback Decoders are working? Is there any warning message or just nothing's happening.
Too little information for help....

Cheers

Taurus

[Elias]

Originally posted by Taurus
Sure you use Belight 0.21?
I just did a quick test. Took a mp3 (44100)and encoded it with all available encoders. Everything worked like a charme. Same on an AC3 file. All switches on aac (mp4)tab are working for me. Maybe there is something messed up on your side. All correct *.dll's and *.exe's in your Besweet/BeLight folder? Playback Decoders are working? Is there any warning message or just nothing's happening.
Too little information for help....

Cheers

Taurus Sorry, my fault there. I used BeLight with the BeSweet version that came with the latest GordianKnot package. I then used it with the latest BeSweet from Doom9 and it worked great. Easily my standard AAC encoder from now on.

[Elias]

Now Belight is AWESOME, but it's still somewhat buggy. For instance, when I choose AAC bitrate of 224 kbit CBR, the output becomes 192 kbit CBR. And when I choose 256 kbit CBR... well, it doesn't even work in Winamp anymore.

[OMINUS]

i have one weird problem
when i use the -belight+besweet combo- for ac3 to mp3 conversion i get 100%cpu overload
for the same process if i use the -gknot add audio job- with the advamced audio presettings i get no cpu overload
what causes it?

[Elias]

Originally posted by OMINUS
what causes it? BeLight :) Seriously, BeLight is very good, but still a new software. It has lots of bugs. But I'm going for it anyway! Keep up the good work fellas.

[filewalker]

if BeSweet is running...it'll mostly reach 100% CPU load during encoding....independently if you use BeSweet from Gknot or use BeSweetGUI or Belight.

if you want to be sure which settings are chosen from the Belight's interface, you only have to enable "View & edit BeSweet Commandline". Now you can check if every chosen setting is set correctly...without checking the comandline you have to believe that Belight is bugfree...and you have no possibilty to have control.

Cu

[Kurtnoise]

yeah filewalker is right concerning the cpu overload.


BTW, yes BeLight has several bugs but I try to make my best. :rolleyes: Like I said before, I'm not an expert in development. So, wait & see.

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
yeah filewalker is right concerning the cpu overload.


BTW, yes BeLight has several bugs but I try to make my best. :rolleyes: Like I said before, I'm not an expert in development. So, wait & see. We're not complaining, just reporting so that you can improve this awesome GUI :)

[Taurus]

Originally posted by OMINUS
i have one weird problem
when i use the -belight+besweet combo- for ac3 to mp3 conversion i get 100%cpu overload
for the same process if i use the -gknot add audio job- with the advamced audio presettings i get no cpu overload
what causes it?

I just tested it: Both combos,Belight/Besweet and GKnot/Besweet are reaching 100% CPU load. And what does this mean "CPU overload"?
I'm a speed freak, if it was'nt 100%, I would force it to....:D
This is pretty normal behaviour for an encoder.

Cheers

Taurus

[rotflol]

Hi,

I've used BeLight quite a few times and I think it's a great app, but I have one problem (for now): tonight I decided to try out framerate conversion for the first time while encoding to MP3 from AC3. It was a minute but still noticeable change from 24.975 fps to 25 fps, which should produce about 5 seconds of difference in my test file. I entered the appropriate SoundTouch settings, but after the encoding was done, it turned out the duration of the file didn't change at all. Then I ran BeSweet GUI and noticed it uses OTA for framerate conversion. I set up the conversion, and the file turned out 5 seconds shorter, as expected.
I don't know if this is a bug report or a feature request, but maybe you should look into this, Kurtnoise.

[Kurtnoise]

BeSweetGUI OTA settings don't use soundtouch commands AFAIK...but I'll look into BeLight to see what's happen exactly. ;)

[OMINUS]

Originally posted by Taurus
I just tested it: Both combos,Belight/Besweet and GKnot/Besweet are reaching 100% CPU load. And what does this mean "CPU overload"?
I'm a speed freak, if it was'nt 100%, I would force it to....:D
This is pretty normal behaviour for an encoder.

Cheers

Taurus

with gknot the encoding doesnt use all the cpu resources
just a 15% of the cpu without any speed loss in the fast encoding process
this is a good thing u know

with belight/besweet combo all the cpu resources are used 100% but the speed of the process is anyway fast already
this is a bad thing-i cant use other applications while i encode with belight

anyway i am just curious what difference in the settings causes this behaviour

[Elias]

Originally posted by OMINUS
this is a bad thing-i cant use other applications while i encode with belightI don't get it. Are you using the unstable version? It works fine for me to use other applications. I even encode in VirtualDub while encoding an audio from the BeLight GUI.

[rotflol]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
BeSweetGUI OTA settings don't use soundtouch commands AFAIK...but I'll look into BeLight to see what's happen exactly. ;)
My point exactly. :) For some reason SoundTouch doesn't work in this respect, while OTA does.

[OMINUS]

Originally posted by Elias
I don't get it. Are you using the unstable version? It works fine for me to use other applications. I even encode in VirtualDub while encoding an audio from the BeLight GUI.

i use latest versions of belight and besweet
i encode wav to mp3 with belight's default settings
the cpu gets 100% used-the encoding speed is fast
with gknot(it uses latest besweet) i dont have this cpu overload
i encode wav to mp3 with the default advanced settigns of gk
the cpu gets 15% used-the encoding speed is fast

i use the latetest version of lame codec btw

its a mystery isnt it?

[Sakuya]

I'm getting the same problem again. I cannot find the start button. I have moved my Windows toolbar to the left and now I see the entire BeLight GUI but there's no start button. :( Here's a screenshot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Yakusoya/belight.jpg

[Elias]

Originally posted by OMINUS
its a mystery isnt it? seems so, yeah.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by OMINUS
its a mystery isnt it?
Maybe it comes from the fact that I compress the executable file. upx is known to overload the cpu in memory...But on my PC, if I compress or not, I haven't this problem. :rolleyes:



@Sakuya : This problem occurs when we have a low resolution. Try the latest beta.

[daphy]

0.21 beta 3 is the latest beta, or is there something new I missed while skiing in Switzerland :D

[Sakuya]

I changed my screen resolution to 1024x768 and it worked. I used another thread as a guide and Kurtnoise said to use BeLight:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89722

I was originally asking help in this post about why BeLight wasn't working.I found a solution not using BeLight but am having some small problems. Since I can't delete this post, I thought I should just post a redirect message in its place. I hope that's allowed? :)

[LigH]

Dear kurtnoise,

would it be very hard for you to add another tab, which guides the user to create a *.mux file?

My "dream" would be some kind of channel figure (the square with the boxes), and the boxes are hollow at first, react on mouse clicks (maybe change the mouse pointer to the hand pointer there), allow to open a mono WAV file per channel on click, fill the box then, and finally allow to export the *.mux file for creating 5.1 audio files when all boxes have assigned their channel wave files.

[Kurtnoise]

hi,

Can you show me what you want with a picture ? :o

I'm working with a CheckListBox now to store the input files. Maybe with the multiple selection and right click, we could make something...

I remember that daphy asked me the same thing...

[LigH]

Better I show you the tool I just stippled together in a hurry.

Usage:

- Click on all the 6 channel boxes and select each wave file.
- Click on "Save as:" and enter the MUX file name.
- This enables the OK button: Click, the mux file is written, the wizard closes.

http://www.ligh.de/software/BSMUXWIZ.zip

NOTE: It is compressed with UPX 1.93 beta with "--brute" option. It might not run everywhere - if not, try to decompress.

[Kurtnoise]

Ok...It sounds really good. ;) I can try to add this...but we must think about the different channels order for the output formats. AC3/Vorbis have the same order but for AAC it's completely different. :rolleyes: BTW, I can manage something for sure.

Thanks for the tip. :)

[LigH]

Different channel orders -- well; in my opinion, BeSweet shall request always the same standardised channel order from its source (no matter if from a *.mux file, or from the decoder). If necessary, it shall remap the channels internally if a decoder DLL does not serve the channels in expected order. So it can ensure that after decoding or importing, channels are always present in a known order. And if an encoder DLL expects them in a different order, it shall remap them on-the-fly while delivering them.

But expecting different channel orders for different encoders in the *.mux file, is (in my oh-so-humble opinion) not quite a wise thing. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

In my opinion, we must specify the different channels order under BeSweet because the decoders themselves can't remap these channels correctly. But maybe I'm wrong....


BTW, what do you think about that :

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/misc/BSMUXWiz.gif

;)

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
In my opinion, we must specify the different channels order under BeSweet because the decoders themselves can't remap these channels correctly. But maybe I'm wrong....


BTW, what do you think about that :

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/misc/BSMUXWiz.gif

;) Looks great!

[LigH]

@ Kurtnoise13:

As long as BeSweet won't remap channels depending on the encoder, you probably have to.
__

@ Elias:

(Full quotes are usually useless.)

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Finally I made a first alpha 0.22 release (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=79). :)

What's new ?

* Drag & Drop support.
* Batch Mode.
* Append output log file option.
* BeSweet mux file Wizard (thanks to LigH for the tip).
* Preview & Edit BeSweet Command Line are 2 options independant now.
* Some improvements concerning the design.
* Bugs fixed for AAC Presets.
* Others some bugs corrected.


Some notes :
- This is an alpha version. So, there are some things not implemented. That's why, only ac3 input files work at the moment. If all it's ok and if you like it, I'll add the others input formats supported by BeSweet.
- The job list isn't finalize that's why this option is disabled. I need to fix some final bugs to have this feature. But the batch mode works fine...I hope.:rolleyes:


BTW, thanks for your support and patience. ;)

[filewalker]

Looks impressive!:) Thanks!


"Command line edition" to edit CL looks really great!:)

Btw.
If "View BeSweet commandline" is enabled, it doesn't show the whole commandline, only what is written in the one line at the bootom.

It would be nice if the whole Commandline is watchable to see the changes on the fly after changing some settings.

...and I like the "Info" under Vorbis...really newbie friendly.

Cu filewalker

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by filewalker
If "View BeSweet commandline" is enabled, it doesn't show the whole commandline, only what is written in the one line at the bootom.

It would be nice if the whole Commandline is watchable to see the changes on the fly after changing some settings.

Just put your mouse on the command line... ;) The whole command appears into the hint. Maybe I need to tune this part.

[LigH]

On Windows 2000 SP4 German, the mux file wizard looks to me, that the channel figure square is completely filled in black; instead, it rather shall be a hollow square.

[Palikrovol]

First of all CONGRATULATIONS and thank you very much for this great GUI.

A suggestion: Could you make the "command line edition" window resizeable.

See you.

[filewalker]

Just put your mouse on the command line... The whole command appears into the hint.
Ahh,I see...cool!:) Thanks for the hint.

Cu

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by LigH
On Windows 2000 SP4 German, the mux file wizard looks to me, that the channel figure square is completely filled in black; instead, it rather shall be a hollow square.
Screenshoot please...:p I'm running on winXP.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Palikrovol
A suggestion: Could you make the "command line edition" window resizeable.
sure...no problem. ;)

[LigH]

Can you see the big black square?

http://www.ligh.de/pics/BSMFW.png<= here shall appear an inline image?!
http://www.ligh.de/pics/BSMFW.png

[Kurtnoise]

ok...:( I'll try to change that.

[Kurtnoise]

A new alpha (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=79)...:rolleyes:

Changelog:

* The window of "Edit BeSweet Command Line" option is resizable now.
* Bug fix for the shape concerning the Mux file Wizard.
* Bug fix regarding the Cancel button during the process.
* Added some goodies (icons for the Main Menu).

[LigH]

Figure box looks well now.

But the priority classes are not ordered well ("Real" between "Normal" and "High"?!): I'd recommend

- Real
- High
- Normal
- Idle

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by LigH
But the priority classes are not ordered well ("Real" between "Normal" and "High"?!): I'd recommend

- Real
- High
- Normal
- Idle
Why not...:D I'll change.

[DK]

first of all: great work, kurt


tried latest belight alpha a minute ago

any chance of a *save as* command / the chance to rename the input file?

imagine loading an 320mp3 and wanting to save that to 192mp3

i tried something similar two times and both times ended up with a 0kb file (the overwritten original file)

maybe this was mentioned before or maybe this is only occuring with the latest alpha - bear with me for not having read the entire thread

keep up the good work!

[Kurtnoise]

As I said before (read my previous posts) these alpha versions support only ac3 as input files. I prefer to correct some bugs before to add the others formats.


Anyway, there is already a "save as" option (File --> Save...). ;)

[lexsteele]

Is the Job Queue functional yet? If I press it, Belight does nothing.


Great interface BTW!

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by lexsteele
Is the Job Queue functional yet? If I press it, Belight does nothing.
Not functional yet...Please, read my posts in previous page concerning alpha versions. :rolleyes:

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
As I said before (read my previous posts) these alpha versions support only ac3 as input files. I prefer to correct some bugs before to add the others formats.


Anyway, there is already a "save as" option (File --> Save...). ;) Is the 5.1 encoding safe for use? I haven't managed to get any of the 5.1 aac streams working in Quicktime. Although they work more than perfect with other players, like VLC/MPC, Quicktime is no sound as of now. It might be that Quicktime doesn't support 5.1 sound? Because they didn't work in winamp either. I use BeLight 0.21 with the latest BeSweet.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
Is the 5.1 encoding safe for use?
Yes...it should. :)

BTW, why would you like to use qt whereas it works perfectly with other players ?

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Yes...it should. :)

BTW, why would you like to use qt whereas it works perfectly with other players ? I never use Quicktime :) Quicktime is very, very bad :D But it's like more of an insurance that if it works with Quicktime, then it's basically guaranteed to be a correct working MPEG-4 file :)

[JoeBG]

Originally posted by Elias
Is the 5.1 encoding safe for use? I haven't managed to get any of the 5.1 aac streams working in Quicktime. Although they work more than perfect with other players, like VLC/MPC, Quicktime is no sound as of now. It might be that Quicktime doesn't support 5.1 sound? Because they didn't work in winamp either. I use BeLight 0.21 with the latest BeSweet.

Thats a mistake in the Nero Filter. You have to export the aac from mp4 with mp4creator (-extract=1), import it again in any mp4 and it will work for you in quicktime.

[Elias]

Originally posted by JoeBG
Thats a mistake in the Nero Filter. You have to export the aac from mp4 with mp4creator (-extract=1), import it again in any mp4 and it will work for you in quicktime. Well, I don't know how to extract it from the mp4creator :D How do I even open mp4creator without a GUI?

[Sounddude]

Works great!!!

Thanks for the new gui!

[Elias]

One thing I'd like is higher bitrate than 448, especially for 5.1 audio, and a monaural encoding mode. And, make the alpha/beta versions available to more than just AC-3 :D By the way, is it possible of you to add an option of inputting six mono wavs and then an encode option of 5.1 sound from there? For AAC that is.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
One thing I'd like is higher bitrate than 448, especially for 5.1 audio, and a monaural encoding mode.
:confused: what format do you talking about ?

Originally posted by Elias
make the alpha/beta versions available to more than just AC-3 :D
Yes, I'll add much more input formats for betas versions. But before, I'd like to have some feebacks concerning these alphas.

Originally posted by Elias
By the way, is it possible of you to add an option of inputting six mono wavs and then an encode option of 5.1 sound from there? For AAC that is.
This is the job of .mux file.

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
:confused: what format do you talking about ?AAC :)

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
:This is the job of .mux file. What .mux file? I have no idea what that is.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
AAC :)
The question is : why would you have a bitrate higher than 448 kbps ?

Originally posted by Elias
What .mux file? I have no idea what that is.
This is a list file in which you must specify the differents mono channels. In addition, :search: and :readfaq:, especially BeSweet FAQ. ;)

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
The question is : why would you have a bitrate higher than 448 kbps ? Higher quality? Less compression? :D Nero Digital supports up to 640 kbps for LC AAC, why not BeLight?

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
This is a list file in which you must specify the differents mono channels. In addition, :search: and :readfaq:, especially BeSweet FAQ. ;) http://rj-elektronik.de/avideo/PDF/Stereoto5.1AC3.pdf this guide had a pretty good 6 mono wavs to ac3 encoding piece of software. Problem is, that it could only output to ac3. Meaning that the soundtrack would've need to go through another lossy encoding process in order to achieve 5.1 AAC. So this is really all I need from BeLight; a similar 6 mono wav to 5.1 AAC function. As for the FAQs/Search I'll get into it right now.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
Higher quality? Less compression? :D Nero Digital supports up to 640 kbps for LC AAC, why not BeLight?
I guess your input files are wav files, right ?? If not (like ac3 files by example), it's completely insane. You will not have a higher quality by increasing the bitrate if the bitrate of your source file is smaller than the target bitrate.

Originally posted by Elias
http://rj-elektronik.de/avideo/PDF/Stereoto5.1AC3.pdf this guide had a pretty good 6 mono wavs to ac3 encoding piece of software. Problem is, that it could only output to ac3. Meaning that the soundtrack would've need to go through another lossy encoding process in order to achieve 5.1 AAC. So this is really all I need from BeLight; a similar 6 mono wav to 5.1 AAC function. As for the FAQs/Search I'll get into it right now.
Dead link but .mux files are supported with the 0.21 releases...

[Elias]

I just checked up the mux file option in the BeSweet FAQ. It seems really good. I'll definitely try it out. But it would be cool with a more user friendly alternative in BeLight :D

[Kurtnoise]

Like "File --> Create .mux file" in 0.22 alpha 2...:p

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Like "File --> Create .mux file" in 0.22 alpha 2...:p Aaaah :) Cool :) I haven't tried out that alpha release though. I'm waiting for stable releases.

[Palikrovol]

is the progress bar disabled?

When transcoding an AC3 to AAC there is nothing that indicates BeSweet is properly working (except 100% CPU and increasing file :)

And another Question.

The progress bar also increases when BeSweet is calculating the Gain? because in this moment the only way to know BeSweet is working is the 100% CPU (There is no file increase).

BTW thanks for the reziable window :)

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Palikrovol
is the progress bar disabled?

When transcoding an AC3 to AAC there is nothing that indicates BeSweet is properly working (except 100% CPU and increasing file :)
The progessbar indicates the transcoding time. I parse the elapsed time of the BeSweet CLI. And it's not disabled...

Originally posted by Palikrovol
The progress bar also increases when BeSweet is calculating the Gain? because in this moment the only way to know BeSweet is working is the 100% CPU (There is no file increase).
because, by default BeLight uses PreGain Mode for the transcoding AC3 to AAC. And like I said, I parse the elapsed time from the CLI. So, if you look this window, you can see that the PreGain is made first. And then the transcoding progress. That's why you have two progession for the ProgressBar. If use hybridgain mode by example, you will have only one Progress.

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
I guess your input files are wav files, right ?? If not (like ac3 files by example), it's completely insane. You will not have a higher quality by increasing the bitrate if the bitrate of your source file is smaller than the target bitrate.The source could be 768 kbit/s DTS or 1536 kbit/s DTS :D

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
The source could be 768 kbit/s DTS or 1536 kbit/s DTS :D
Yes but BeSweet doesn't support dts files. ;)

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Yes but BeSweet doesn't support dts files. ;) True, BUT, suppose I encode a DTS file into a 5.1 Wav and then to AAC? That's mainly why I want higher bitrate support.

[LigH]

448 kbps is the maximum bitrate for AC-3 which is supported on DVD (although, for other occasions, up to 640 kbps is supported, but not on DVD). Do you think that 448 kbps sound bad?

AAC is an even more advanced audio compression algorithm than AC-3. Why do you think you need more bitrate for AAC than for AC-3?

Do you really think you can actually hear the difference between dts and AC-3? (And don't answer before you did an ABX test!)

[Elias]

Originally posted by LigH
448 kbps is the maximum bitrate for AC-3 which is supported on DVD (although, for other occasions, up to 640 kbps is supported, but not on DVD). Do you think that 448 kbps sound bad?

AAC is an even more advanced audio compression algorithm than AC-3. Why do you think you need more bitrate for AAC than for AC-3?

Do you really think you can actually hear the difference between dts and AC-3? (And don't answer before you did an ABX test!) No, I don't think that 448 kbps AC-3 sounds bad. I just happen to like high bitrates. The higher the better.

[LigH]

Then use 24b/96kHz PCM! :D

[mazzo]

BeSweet will not open the source files when I drop them to BeLight. If I open the with Ctrl-O, it's ok.

[Kurtnoise]

BeSweet is just a CLI...:rolleyes: You can't open/save files with it. It works with different commands.


And alpha versions support only ac3 files.

[mazzo]

Oh, I'm only quoting the log file in BeLight

BeSweet v1.5b29 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Error 57: Error opening " test.wav".

[Kurtnoise]

How do you create this file ?

Could you provide a sample of your file ?

[Kurtnoise]

So, anybody have tested the last alpha ?





I forgot to mention before that the Total ProgressBar doesn't work properly...:o I'm trying to fix this issue.

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
So, anybody have tested the last alpha ?





I forgot to mention before that the Total ProgressBar doesn't work properly...:o I'm trying to fix this issue. Well, not yet. I may try it later though. I don't understand what the improvements are? Do I get fully Quicktime compatible 5.1 AAC now? Or do I still have to extract it with some MPEG-4 tools and then mux it to an *.mp4 container in order to get the 5.1 AAC audio working in Quicktime? This is my only problem, other than this, I don't see any reason to upgrade because it works pretty good here with the 0.21 stable release :)

[Kurtnoise]

Please, don't speak about mp4 container in this thread...:D :D


The main improvements in the last alpha concern the batch mode (i.e xxx ac3 files as input to xxx aac/mp2/m3/vorbis/wav...). I tested some input ac3 files and all seems to be ok. But I would like to have some feedbacks from other users. ;)

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Please, don't speak about mp4 container in this thread...:D :D


The main improvements in the last alpha concern the batch mode (i.e xxx ac3 files as input to xxx aac/mp2/m3/vorbis/wav...). I tested some input ac3 files and all seems to be ok. But I would like to have some feedbacks from other users. ;) Well it's not really the *.mp4 container I was talking about. My point was, that the 5.1 encoded AAC ain't working in Quicktime/Winamp and I wondered if it's fixed? Someone said that it's because of the Nero dll filters, or something. I don't know to be sure.

[mazzo]

The new alpha works very fine with drag and drop on wav files, but it's difficult to watch the progression since the status bar is dead.

[Elias]

Hey, just tried it out with 5.1 and stereo AC3, and it worked great. Sounds even better than 0.21 release. I'll use this one as standard from now on until you've released newer builds.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by mazzo
The new alpha works very fine with drag and drop on wav files, but it's difficult to watch the progression since the status bar is dead.
because the alpha versions support *only* ac3 files as input, like I said before. I plan to add other formats this week-end. :)


@Elias : thanks for your tests. ;)

[mazzo]

Very good. I've always found the old BeSweet GUI very difficult, so BeLight seems to be just THE thing for me.

[Elias]

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/4359/belight06qk.png

I don't know what's up, but I created a 6 mono wav from an mp3 file with BeLight v0.22 Alpha 2, then I closed BeLight, and re-opened it, and this is the error message I get. After I click OK I can use BeLight... weird :)

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
I don't know what's up, but I created a 6 mono wav from an mp3 file
Not possible... :rolleyes:

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Not possible... :rolleyes: Believe it or not, I did. Although, out of 6, I got 4 empty wav files :)

[Palikrovol]

Found some bugs

In "Command Line editor".

- When opening file "F:\_TMP_\Heavenly Creatures.ac3" the resulting command line in the "command line editor window" is

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "F:\_TMP_\F:\_TMP_\Heavenly Creatures.ac3" -output "F:\_TMP_\F:\_TMP_\Heavenly Creatures.ogg" -logfile "F:\_TMP_\F:\_TMP_\Heavenly Creatures.log" ) -azid( -c normal ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.400 )

If i press "Run" it works perfectly and get the file from the correct path. It just shows it incorrectly.

It is solved when unchecking the audio track and opening again the "Command line editor". From that moment is always correct (even if you check and uncheck the audio track mny times).

Another way to solve it is to "start the process", abort it and openig the "Command line editor" again.

- If you close the file (clear list) and then open the "Command line editor", there is still the command line for the closed file. The "Command line editor" has to be closed and opened again to clear the trace of the closed file. (A good thing is that if you press "Run" with the closed file command line, a window appears telling you that there is no input file).


- A cosmetic issue. In the context menu in the files list, i think is better not to show cheching marks when pressing the different options, because you can press the same option two consecutive times and when you press a checked option you feel like you are unchecking it, not running it.


It is all :). I hope it is useful.

[Palikrovol]

More about the "path" issue.

If the first opened file is opened in a "Drag and Drop" way, it will be correctly displayed. Any other file opened in the way "Drag and Drop" next, will be correctly displayed. If then a file is opened by "File -> Open" it will be incorrectly displayed and any other file will be incorrectly displayed if opened in any way.

If the first file is opened by "File -> Open" it will be incorrectly displayed and the next files also will be displayed incorrectly any way they were opened.

If a file is correctly displayed ("F:\_TMP_\Heavenly Creatures.ac3") and then you uncheck the file, the path information ("F:\_TMP_\") is erased from the command line. And when pressing "Run", BeLight starts
and ends and does nothing.


BeLight does nothing with the first opened files in the "Drag and Drop" way (even if you don't uncheck it).


I think one of the bugs is when unchecking for the first time the files.

Regards

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
Believe it or not, I did. Although, out og 6, I got 4 empty wav files :)
Please, read once again what I said concerning alpha versions. And why I said "not possible" ? because it's completely useless. Why do you want to extract 6 mono waves from a stereo file huh ??

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Please, read once again what I said concerning alpha versions. And why I said "not possible" ? because it's completely useless. Why do you want to extract 6 mono waves from a stereo file huh ?? I was just playing around a bit :D Testing some functions, checking if they worked properly.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Palikrovol
More about the "path" issue.

Sometimes the file is correctly displayed the first time you open it ("F:\_TMP_\Heavenly Creatures.ac3"). But if then you uncheck the file the path information ("F:\_TMP_\") is erased from the command line and when pressing "Run", BeLight starts and ends and does nothing.

I think one of the bugs is when unchecking for the first time the files.

Ok I see...I'll try to fix it.

Originally posted by Palikrovol
- A cosmetic issue. In the context menu in the files list, i think is better not to show cheching marks when pressing the different options, because you can press the same option two consecutive times and when you press a checked option you feel like you are unchecking it, not running it.
Not really an issue but I can change it for sure. I had not thought about that.

[Palikrovol]

ReRead my Second post, i have edited it. I have found new information :).

[Palikrovol]

Some things i forgot.

- In the files list, if the file's name is too long, it is not displayed complete (appears truncated).

- The options '-L -3db' (-azid) are not displayed in the "Command Line", but are checked in the advanced options. I have to unckeck and recheck this options in the advanced options to make them appear in the command line.

[planet1]

Kurtnoise13 first of all thx for this great GUI.

1. could you add a drag&drop feature to BeLight (speeds up things)

Belight 0.21 final:

2. when picking a wav as input and choosing 16bit Stereo Wave as output kind of adds useless switches [ -azid( -s stereo -L -3db )]


3. when inputting a .mux list and output is WAV there are also some "useless" azid switches:

5.1 WAVE: -azid( -c normal )

Stereo WAVE: -azid( -s stereo -c normal -L -3db )

16bit (Six) Mono WAVEs: -azid( -c normal )

32bit (Six) Mono WAVEs: -azid( -c normal )

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by planet1
1. could you add a drag&drop feature to BeLight (speeds up things)
This feature is added with 0.22 alphas...;)

Originally posted by planet1
Belight 0.21 final:

2. when picking a wav as input and choosing 16bit Stereo Wave as output kind of adds useless switches [ -azid( -s stereo -L -3db )]


3. when inputting a .mux list and output is WAV there are also some "useless" azid switches:

5.1 WAVE: -azid( -c normal )

Stereo WAVE: -azid( -s stereo -c normal -L -3db )

16bit (Six) Mono WAVEs: -azid( -c normal )

32bit (Six) Mono WAVEs: -azid( -c normal )
It's corrected with 0.22 alpha versions. But for the moment, wav files are not supported. So, just wait a next version or edit the command line...:)


@Palikrovol : yeah, I saw the problem. Thanks for the bugs report.

[Kurtnoise]

The 0.22 beta 1 is out (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=80).

changelog:

* Added some other input formats (mpa, mp2, mp3, vorbis, wav[**]) compatible with the Batch Mode.
* Bugs fixed concerning Opening & Checking input files.
* Edit window for BeSweet Command Line is now updated then we decide to change settings.
* Several internal tweakings.

[**]only stereo files for the moment.



In addition, a screenshot to show you the transcoding CD-Audio wav files to vorbis with BeSweet by example....;)

http://www.unite-video.com/phpbb/files/belight-0.22b1_437.gif

[Bluedan]

Great, I'll have a glimpse....

[guada 2]

Good continuation " Kurt " ;)

[Elias]

Why isn't 29.970>23.976 working? In the latest Beta release, the file became slooooow. I mean, it's much slower than usual. In the previous versions, it doesn't even work to encode with NTSC>NTSC Film.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Your input file is an AC3 ? If yes, 2.0 or 5.1 ?

Did you use soundtouch function ?

Could you test also with BeSweetGUI 0.7b8, please ?

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
Hi,

Your input file is an AC3 ? If yes, 2.0 or 5.1 ?

Did you use soundtouch function ?

Could you test also with BeSweetGUI 0.7b8, please ? Where can I get that GUI? Yes, it's AC3. 2.0 and 5.1, all the same. Also, it says Transcoding aborted when the encoding is done :S By the way, could you add azidts support? I'd like to encode *.dts files :) I don't know what soundtouch is :)

[Boulder]

By the way, the SoundTouch library has been updated some time ago, it fixes a nasty rounding bug which affected framerate conversions. If someone could compile it for using with BeSweet, it would be great;)

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
Where can I get that GUI?
http://www.dspguru.doom9.net (beta section)

Originally posted by Elias
Yes, it's AC3. 2.0 and 5.1, all the same. I don't know what soundtouch is :)
If you don't know what it is, so how did you enable the trick ? (i.e 29.970>23.976). BeLight supports only soundtouch functions for those changes. Note also that soundtouch doesn't support multichannel files, only mono & stereo.

Originally posted by Elias
Also, it says Transcoding aborted when the encoding is done :S
yeah, stupid bug which is corrected. :)

Originally posted by Elias
By the way, could you add azidts support? I'd like to encode *.dts files :)
No because BeSweet doesn't support dts files...

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
http://www.dspguru.doom9.net (beta section)


If you don't know what it is, so how did you enable the trick ? (i.e 29.970>23.976). BeLight supports only soundtouch functions for those changes. Note also that soundtouch doesn't support multichannel files, only mono & stereo.


yeah, stupid bug which is corrected. :)


No because BeSweet doesn't support dts files... I guess it's called soundtouch, didn't know what it was called. But hey, is it really necessary to decrease the FPS from NTSC>NTSC film? I mean, I just added the delay settings DGIndex gave me, and when muxing the audio streams with the video stream, it all seemed perfect sync. How am I able to encode *.dts files then? I'll try the beta version of BeSweetGUI in a while.

[mazzo]

I get this error message in french every time I start the beta 1:

[mazzo]

Seems that my attachment didn't show. Well the error message is:

Violation d'accès à l'adresse 004A4DFC dans le module 'BeLight.exe'. Lecture de l'adresse 000002FC.

[Elias]

Originally posted by mazzo
Seems that my attachment didn't show. Well the error message is:

Violation d'accès à l'adresse 004A4DFC dans le module 'BeLight.exe'. Lecture de l'adresse 000002FC. I used to get it. Can't remember how I solved it :S

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Elias
I guess it's called soundtouch, didn't know what it was called. But hey, is it really necessary to decrease the FPS from NTSC>NTSC film? I mean, I just added the delay settings DGIndex gave me, and when muxing the audio streams with the video stream, it all seemed perfect sync.
ooo well...it's not necessary if you keep the same FPS for video and audio. But if you change the FPS when you transcode your audio file and not for the video, you can have some desync issues for sure.



@mazzo : very strange...:confused: Are you overwrite all the old files when you install this beta ?

[Elias]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
ooo well...it's not necessary if you keep the same FPS for video and audio. But if you change the FPS when you transcode your audio file and not for the video, you can have some desync issues for sure.I chose 29.970>23.976 for the Video, encoded the audio with the correct delay settings, muxed, and the sync was picture perfect. Couldn't change the FPS with soundtouch from 29.970>23.976... but still, there's no sync problems of what I can hear/see. Should I just go with that? I mean, after all, if it ain't broken, don't fix it?

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
@mazzo : very strange...:confused: Are you overwrite all the old files when you install this beta ? I always do this, in fact, did it a couple of times today, and didn't get that issue, I've stopped getting it.

[mazzo]

Kurtnoise: Try to make something with the settings, for instance set the mp3 slider to 160 Kbps CBR. Close BeLight. Whan I do that, and try to reopen, the message comes back.

[Kurtnoise]

I'll try to fix that as soon as I'm back home...;)

[rotflol]

Originally posted by Elias
I chose 29.970>23.976 for the Video, encoded the audio with the correct delay settings, muxed, and the sync was picture perfect. Couldn't change the FPS with soundtouch from 29.970>23.976... but still, there's no sync problems of what I can hear/see. Should I just go with that? I mean, after all, if it ain't broken, don't fix it?
Short answer: yes. You don't need to "change fps" of an audio track when converting a movie from NTSC to "film" (29.97 > 23.976 fps).

[Elias]

Originally posted by rotflol
Short answer: yes. You don't need to "change fps" of an audio track when converting a movie from NTSC to "film" (29.97 > 23.976 fps). Thanks, that cleared it up for me :) One question though, why is there such a feature if there's no need for it?

[DSP8000]

What da f^?! just happend:devil: ?
I wanted to download the latest belight from corecodec web site and picked up Trojan Dropper:angry:
Even if I disable my firewall and enable cookies I can't acsess the site.
Is there any miror for the latest belight versions?

DSP8000

[Kurtnoise]

A Trojan ??? :scared: I don't know why but here (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight-0.22_beta1.zip) is a mirror.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by DSP8000
What da f^?! just happend:devil: ?
I wanted to download the latest belight from corecodec web site and picked up Trojan Dropper:angry:
Even if I disable my firewall and enable cookies I can't acsess the site.
Is there any miror for the latest belight versions?

DSP8000
I just downloaded all available BeLight Versions from Corecodec and the one KurtNoise mirrored:
Just checked with two different scanners.
No Viruses or whatsoever.
So I think it's false alarm.
Which scanner gave you this message?

Cheers

Taurus

[DSP8000]

Tnx. Kurtnoise13, the miror is fine :),
I'm very careful with my security settings, I'm running hardware firewall with NAT, Zone Alarm, Protowall, FireFox, and Symantec Antivirus with today's updates.
As soon I disabled everything today and went to the corecodec web site, Symantec popped up with a message "vtzx.exe Trojan Dropper"
I did full scan after that and everything looks fine, so I don't know what happend.
Anyway, keep up the good work, I like the new features.

Regards,
DSP8000

[ChronoCross]

well I think this is the first and I really wish I could give more information but unfortunaely no error logs were made because it was so sudden.

after encoding of AAC completed you have to press the green arrow to go back to the main screen. well I hit it and then blamo access violation and for only the 3rd time in the 3 years I've had this computer I got the blue screen of death.

Here are my system specs if that might help

Pentium 3 Mobile 1.13ghz
256MB SODIMM DDR 133 mhz RAM
32MB nvidia geforce2 do
20GB Hitachi HDD
Crystal Audio Sound

I also got this error message the very first time I tried the new beta

Violation d'accès à l'adresse 004A4DFC dans le module 'BeLight.exe'. Lecture de l'adresse 000002FC.

the second time I tried it I got the much worse BSOD and then a system reboot. any ideas?

[ChronoCross]

oh yeah and it also ignores all AAC encoding settings. no matter what you use for bitrate it always ends up as 56kbps audio.

using oagmachine and the offical setup screen for nero audio it encodes it at the proper bitrate settings.

[Kurtnoise]

I like the blue screen of the death...:D

BTW, I fixed this error. So, be patient to have a new beta or try to use a *stable" release (0.21).

[Elias]

When uninstalling the Nero package 1 and 2 (the demos), the latest alpha doesn't work without it for AAC encoding, even though I got all the dlls in the right folder and everything. However, the latest stable release does work with AAC encoding.

[azsd]

switch to aac tab,Check the [x]Profiles(HEAAC),and close belight,then happy to see

---------------------------
Belight
---------------------------
Violation d'acc¨¨s ¨¤ l'adresse 004A4DFC dans le module 'BeLight.exe'. Lecture de l'adresse 000002FC.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

at everytime until delete settings folder

[Kurtnoise]

This bug has been corrected...Give me just few days to release a new one.

[azsd]

and with 0.22 beta 1 when I add ac3 and select convert to wav,
it has an progressbar quickly go to filled full (there two labels showing 0%).
and wait some minutes,they fill from null fo full second pass.

is the problem been reported?

windows 2003,besweet 1.5b29,belight 0.22 b1,

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by azsd
and with 0.22 beta 1 when I add ac3 and select convert to wav,
it has an progressbar quickly go to filled full (there two labels showing 0%).
and wait some minutes,they fill from null fo full second pass.

is the problem been reported?

The wav file is playable or not ?

[Kurtnoise]

@magicclue :

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
This bug has been corrected...Give me just few days to release a new one.

Just two posts above...:rolleyes:

[azsd]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13
The wav file is playable or not ?

yes,playable.
just means the progressbar gone full in 6sec,and progress label still freeze on %0.
this ac3 file was ripped from Gundam seed episode 24,77M,2ch,24min07
and i have an ac3 that has right progressbar as progress,but at end 100% of 2nd pass get an error message:"Transcoding aborted",the result wave were comletive too.
7M,2ch,04min55

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by azsd
yes,playable.
just means the progressbar gone full in 6sec,and progress label still freeze on %0.
Ok...I need to check that.

Originally posted by azsd
i have an ac3 that has right progressbar as progress,but at end 100% of 2nd pass get an error message:"Transcoding aborted",the result wave were comletive too.7M,2ch,04min55
yep...bug fixed.

[aliumalik]

Feature request (maybe call it bug fixing).

If I transcode file.mp3 (128k) to file.mp3 (64k) belight should first write a temp file something like file.mp3.tmp and when the transcoding is complete delete original file.mp3 and rename file.mp3.tm to file.mp3. Right now if I do such a thing a 0 byte file is generated.

Add GUI options for permanent command line switches like -noid3 and removing the -logfile switch.

Thanks and keep up the good work

[aliumalik]

Originally posted by magicclue
When i start BeLight 0.22 b1 for the first time it's working.
(using besweet 1.5b29)
After every other start I get the following error:
http://www.schudy.de/corel006.png


STEPS I've done:
"Fresh Install"
Start BeLight
Click on Presets -> load AC3 Dolby WAV 5.1
Close BeLight

When I now start BeLight it crashes. Perhaps some problem with the ini files since nothing else changed?

Huh I suddenly started to get this error out of no where. Though I didnt touch the AC3 tab only mp3 :S

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by aliumalik
If I transcode file.mp3 (128k) to file.mp3 (64k) belight should first write a temp file something like file.mp3.tmp and when the transcoding is complete delete original file.mp3 and rename file.mp3.tm to file.mp3. Right now if I do such a thing a 0 byte file is generated.
Can you explain why would you like to have a such feature ?

It could be dangerous to delete original file if you have miss something in the command line...;)


Originally posted by aliumalik
Add GUI options for permanent command line switches like -noid3
Ok...I can add it in Advanced Settings.

Originally posted by aliumalik
and removing the -logfile switch.
goes to "Advanced Settings" and uncheck the appropriate checkbox. :)

[aliumalik]

Originally posted by Kurtnoise13 [B]Can you explain why would you like to have a such feature ?
because right now it generates a 0 byte file and maybe you could add a prompt asking whether the file should be over written or not.


Can you make the advanced settings store in a file also like the codec setings...like if I select disable log file it is always like that and the file can have a text entry like "logfile=0"

Bug Report:
when I add a file.mp3 and select bitrate etc in the mp3 tab then I edit the command line to change file-new.mp3 to file2.mp3 and run it instead of using file2.mp3 it still uses file-new.mp3 as the name of the file.

After clicking run the command like window doesnt disappear which I think should happen.

Just a question wouldn't it be better using the besweet.dll instead of the exe?

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by aliumalik
because right now it generates a 0 byte file and maybe you could add a prompt asking whether the file should be over written or not.
mmmh ok...but I'm not convinced. I put your idea on my todo list...maybe with reflexion I could add it.

Originally posted by aliumalik
Can you make the advanced settings store in a file also like the codec setings...like if I select disable log file it is always like that and the file can have a text entry like "logfile=0"
already existing...:) It's BeLight.ini file into BeLight folder.

Originally posted by aliumalik
Bug Report:
when I add a file.mp3 and select bitrate etc in the mp3 tab then I edit the command line to change file-new.mp3 to file2.mp3 and run it instead of using file2.mp3 it still uses file-new.mp3 as the name of the file.
ok...I'll fix it.


Originally posted by aliumalik
Just a question wouldn't it be better using the besweet.dll instead of the exe?
because it's easier for me to code with the exe...:D

[aliumalik]

already existing... It's BeLight.ini file into BeLight folder.

Aah then another bug report BeLight doesn't remember old settings. If I uncheck "output logfile" encode a file and then restart belight the checkbox is again which should be unchecked.

because it's easier for me to code with the exe...
Aah that is true...I am not much of a coder but I have seen that using external exes causes more problems than using libraries...but it works alright till now so no complaints here

Another request when "Restrict encoder to cbr" is checked the bar in mp3 tab should move in jumps i.e from 64 to 128 to 160 to 192 (just like mp2 tab)... right now it works ok if the slider is around the bitrate but seems slightly confusing.

A request for the future...I think this should be targeted at the BeSweet author but using the tag library from http://www.neilpopham.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tag.html tag retention could be added.

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by aliumalik
Aah then another bug report BeLight doesn't remember old settings. If I uncheck "output logfile" encode a file and then restart belight the checkbox is again which should be unchecked.
works fine here...:o

Originally posted by aliumalik
Another request when "Restrict encoder to cbr" is checked the bar in mp3 tab should move in jumps i.e from 64 to 128 to 160 to 192 (just like mp2 tab)... right now it works ok if the slider is around the bitrate but seems slightly confusing.
Ok. I'll add it.

Originally posted by aliumalik
A request for the future...I think this should be targeted at the BeSweet author but using the tag library from http://www.neilpopham.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tag.html tag retention could be added.
yeah, it's much more for DSPGuru...BeSweet is closed source.

[Zyphon]

Hi Kurtnoise13,

I just discovered you GUI by chance seeing it in your sig and I went to check it out.

I must say I was really impressed with it and have now switched to your GUI.

I find the default BeSweet GUI a bit mind boggling and confusing at times but your one is easier on the eyes and far better laid out and easier to get to grips with for noobs.

Great work I wish you luck with furthur development and improvements.

Keep up the great work. Love this GUI. :D

[silasaul]

Let's speak a little french : "Beau travail et merci encore !!!" :D

[Kurtnoise]

:thanks: I'm preparing to release a new beta very soon...I hope next week later.

[guada 2]

I am with you wholeheartedly.
Goodbye my friend "KURT". ;)

[Kurtnoise]

You are not my friend buddy...:sly: Try to learn english first. :D

[LigH]

So let's add a little german:

"Ich freu' mich drauf!"

(I'm looking forward to seeing it soon.)

[Bluedan]

Originally posted by azsd
yes,playable.
just means the progressbar gone full in 6sec,and progress label still freeze on %0.
this ac3 file was ripped from Gundam seed episode 24,77M,2ch,24min07
and i have an ac3 that has right progressbar as progress,but at end 100% of 2nd pass get an error message:"Transcoding aborted",the result wave were comletive too.
Nothing really fresh to add here, just wanna say: I can confirm this.
Source is ac3, producing aac.
At the end it says "Transcoding aborted" in info field, but the resulting file plays fine so far, correct length.
If possible in any way, the "pregain" progress should be indicated as such, or as a job itself. It was confusing that at first both the current track and total progress bar quickly reached 100% and then restarted while as seen below the total bars percent indication shows o% all the time.
Apart from this, great job, Kurt!

http://img7.echo.cx/img7/1738/belightprogressbar8bf.jpg

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Bluedan
Nothing really fresh to add here, just wanna say: I can confirm this.
Source is ac3, producing aac.
At the end it says "Transcoding aborted" in info field, but the resulting file plays fine so far, correct length.
Yeah, this bug is corrected.

Originally posted by Bluedan
If possible in any way, the "pregain" progress should be indicated as such, or as a job itself. It was confusing that at first both the current track and total progress bar quickly reached 100% and then restarted while as seen below the total bars percent indication shows o% all the time.
Yes I know...it can be confusing. I parse only the duration from the CLI that's why we have this problem but I'll try to tweak this.


Sorry for the delay concerning the new release...I try to add lst & mux input files and it's not easy with the new batch mode.

[MacAddict]

Apart from the bug that you have already fixed above, I only have one other problem. I get this error when I launch beta1 on 3 different machines here. It appears to be an access violation? It appears twice in a row, I click ok for both and then Belight launches and operates smoothly:)

Picture attached waiting for approval.

[Kurtnoise]

If you are talking about the access violation, yeah it's fixed. I was busy with other things these days. But now, I've much more free time to continue the development.

[MacAddict]

Screenshot was never approoved so lets try this again. Nice to hear it's already fixed too:D

Access Violation (http://img2.echo.cx/img2/8260/av3uw.png)

[katana]

Hi,
Apologies if this question has been posted before. I am using Besweet 1.5 b29 Belite gui 0.21 on Win ME.
The start button doesn't appear at 800x600 screen resolution, so I can't begin encoding. Have to change settings to 1024x768.
Is there any way around this? I have 15" monitor and want to use 800x600 not 1024x768.
Thanks in advance for any advice/help.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Try to use the last beta/alpha versions instead of the 0.21.

[Bluedan]

I know your main interest currently lies in developpment of YAMB, which is a nice GUI also.
But I hope you will continue on this one.

There's a bug in the recent version: manual delay settings (not via file name detection) doesn't seem to be considered while the command line does contain the corresponding switch.
I was trying to transcode wav->aac.
The same procedure worked with BeSweet GUI v0.7b8

[Kurtnoise]

Yeah...I'm work on it. 2 projects in my head...:rolleyes:

Is it the lastest beta ?

[Bluedan]

Since march 15th there is no other... ;)

[nexus]

I hope nobody mentioned it before:

If I manually edit the delay it is correctly shown in the command line (see picture) but obviously not used.

delay.jpg (http://www.bugie.de/delay.jpg)

The log file:

BeSweet.exe -core( -input ac3 t01 3_2ch 448kbps delay 0ms.ac3
-output ac3 t01 3_2ch 448kbps delay 0ms.mp4 -logfile ac3 t01 3_2ch
448kbps delay 0ms.log ) -azid( -s stereo -c light -L -3db )
-bsn( -6chnew -vbr_streaming -aacprofile_he ) -ota( -d 0 -g max )

Anyway, it's a great GUI: When do you release the next version?

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by nexus
If I manually edit the delay it is correctly shown in the command line (see picture) but obviously not used.
Yes, I know.

Originally posted by nexus
Anyway, it's a great GUI: When do you release the next version?
When ? I don't know exactly because I'm rewriting some parts to fix bugs. Maybe this week-end or the next week...Much more free time could be great too. :rolleyes:

[Kurtnoise]

Some news....I'm still there and BeLight development is not dead. ;)

I put online a version with installer (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=76) (BeLight 0.21 + BeSweet 1.5b29 + dlls updated).
input dts files is almost finished (see picture).
I added a lst writer (see picture).
mulltilanguage support has been completely rewritten.
last thing : I need to finish & fix several bugs before to release a new one...

Thanks for your patience...:)


http://unite-video.com/phpbb/files/belight_0.22b2_100.gif

http://unite-video.com/phpbb/files/lst_writer_149.gif

[daphy]

Hiho,

nice preview! I can´t hardly wait to hold this thing in my handy ;) :p :D

[Backwoods]

No reason for anyone getting upset over a language miscommunication.

[nexus]

Some news....I'm still there and BeLight development is not dead. ;)Great to hear! :goodpost:

Anyway, i think i found another bug. Just for the case you don't already know it:

If i first set the settings for a 5.1 AAC file and then open the file i wanna transcode, acid settings are reset to the default value "-azid( -s stereo -c normal -L -3db )"! It doesn't matter if i use the preset or set it manually, it happens in both cases.

If i first open the file to transcode and afterwards set the settings, everything works alright.

*in anticipation for the next (almost) bug-free version* :D

[Kurtnoise]

yep...fixed. ;)

[jp80]

Hi, Kurtnoise13

First I'd like to thank you for your great Besweet GUI!
Then I wish to know about its option to output in 5.1 ogg:

-Is it the same than "FL, C, FR, SL, SR, LFE" , "FL, FR, C, LFE, SL, SR" , or "FL, FR, C, SL, SR, LFE" in 5.1 ogg with latest besweet GUI v0.7 b8 ?

-Is it the same than 5.1 old or 5.1 new in Oagmachine ?

[Kurtnoise]

Then I wish to know about its option to output in 5.1 ogg:

-Is it the same than "FL, C, FR, SL, SR, LFE" , "FL, FR, C, LFE, SL, SR" , or "FL, FR, C, SL, SR, LFE" in 5.1 ogg with latest besweet GUI v0.7 b8 ?
No, it's not the same thing. In BeSweetGUI you can choose the channels ordering for vorbis 5.1 streams. I'd recommend you to keep the first one.

-Is it the same than 5.1 old or 5.1 new in Oagmachine ?
Nope...this concerns the choice between the old and the new AAC Nero plugins (see Q21 from AAC FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68300#post424070)).

[drob]

Kurtnoise13 great work on the GUI, few minor issues, if you could squeeze the file input area it would fit much nicer into 800x600 resolution.
can you add a more specific progress information, the way it is given by BeSweet, like transcoding, encoding and the progress of timeline.

[Kurtnoise]

Try the last beta release...it's little bit buggy but you can see the progress, etc...

[drob]

do you mean 0.22 beta 1 ? i did i saw the progress bar which is great, what i meant was the actual running numbers like you get from the BeSweet command line.

[Kurtnoise]

What numbers do you talking about ? those concerning the transcode progress ?

If yes then those numbers of the BeSweet command line are replaced by the progressbar position. But maybe you would like to have the time duration/time progress/time elapsed/time remaining ?

Coudl be great yes but I need to fix others things which are more important for the moment.

[nexus]

Coudl be great yes but I need to fix others things which are more important for the moment.Yes, give us a bug fixed version before implementing new features, please.

[drob]

What numbers do you talking about ? those concerning the transcode progress ?

If yes then those numbers of the BeSweet command line are replaced by the progressbar position. But maybe you would like to have the time duration/time progress/time elapsed/time remaining ?

Coudl be great yes but I need to fix others things which are more important for the moment.

Yes I meant the ones on the command line, and yes the remaining and so on would be great, and yes please fix the bugs for us, did I miss anything? lol

Thanks for your work Kurtnoise13

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

I need some people to translate in other languages (I have already French and English) the different captions and hints. If you are interested, so send me a PM. I know that there are germans and spanish BeLight lovers here... :D So, it will be good. Thus, I released a new beta. Thanks.

[nexus]

Thus, I released a new beta. Thanks.:confused: Where can we find this new beta?

[Elias]

Hey Kurtnoise13, I'm on Linux, and I don't know how to unpack rar files.... could you send me the language pack in zip or something? Thanks.

[LigH]

There is a free unrar application available for most operating systems; several Linux distributions already have it, but you can look at http://www.rarlab.com too.

unrar: http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm

[Kurtnoise]

:confused: Where can we find this new beta?
Sorry...I omitted a word : I'll release... :o :o when I'd have some translation file (there are German, Swedish and Spanish under construction for the moment) and when I'd finish to fix some cosmetics things. Again, not for today... :o

@Elias : http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight_lang.zip

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

If some people have already finished to translate the language file, please sent it to me to kurtnoise at free dot fr .I would like to release a new beta this evening and include some new languages. Many thanks. ;)

[Elias]

Hi,

If some people have already finished to translate the language file, please sent it to me to kurtnoise at free dot fr .I would like to release a new beta this evening and include some new languages. Many thanks. ;)I'm on Linux, I can't unpack rar files. I need it in zip. Thanks.

[Kurtnoise]

There is a link two posts above...

[LigH]

It is very hard for me to translate your phrases. I'm afraid, the translations would differ remarkably from your original.

[Kurtnoise]

Try to do the best...Does it mean that it's too complicated or my english translation is so poor :o ? It's just some captions and hints after all... :rolleyes:

[LigH]

Sometimes I wonder if it may help to see the GUI to know what it means. Sometimes it is just the selection of words which makes me wonder how I could translate that without describing it in a whole sentence (e.g.: "Operational Options"). I'm afraid I'm not very successful. I even hope that there is some nice editor which could help me here (compare options like "Beyond Compare 2", but still editable).

[JoeBG]

Hi,

If some people have already finished to translate the language file, please sent it to me to kurtnoise at free dot fr .I would like to release a new beta this evening and include some new languages. Many thanks. ;)

Do you need a german translation?

[Kurtnoise]

Sometimes I wonder if it may help to see the GUI to know what it means. Sometimes it is just the selection of words which makes me wonder how I could translate that without describing it in a whole sentence (e.g.: "Operational Options").
Same problem here with French <-> English. :rolleyes:

@JoeB : Ligh is german. So, I believe that he translates the file into German...:D but you can help him if you want.

[LigH]

And Didée seems to be at it as well.

[johnman]

I usualy find the english version more easy to use then one in my own native language. Some things are IMO untranslatable and doing so would only make it harder to understand. Buts thats just how i look @ it :rolleyes:. If needed i can try to make a dutch translation.

[Kurtnoise]

After 3 months without new beta, here is a new one...:)

Changelog :
- Add List File Writer.
- Add "No ID3 Tags" option.
- Add "Copy" Command line (in the ClipBoard or anything else) option.
- Add direct links for some help.
- Fix the BeSweet Command line Function.
- Fix Access Violation bug.
- Fix a lot of another things.
- Improve the Multilanguage support.
- DTS support partially introduced (not finished yet).

Link to download (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=111) (2 versions available : BeLight.exe only or an Installer package (BeLight + BeSweet + dlls).

;)

[Pyscrow]

Thanks for the Update Kurtnoise13, I love the package.
Only noticed one issue in the new version so far, the language choice does not seem to save, after closing and re-opening, it seems to always open in spanish.

[Kurtnoise]

Strange...works fine here. Have you got BeLight.ini file in BeLight folder ?

[Pyscrow]

Yeah, but I am running the older beta in my normal besweet directory, so I just copied the ini file from its directory, into the new directory and now stays in english.

[daphy]

write protection?

Edit:

BTW: added on needfulthings (http://www.needfulthings.webhop.org) ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Yeah, but I am running the older beta in my normal besweet directory, so I just copied the ini file from its directory, into the new directory and now stays in english.
Don't forget also to copy the "lang" folder... :rolleyes:

[dwrbudr]

When I select 'All Files supported (*.*)' I don't see for exapmle *.mp2 files. This options works fine in Beta1, but doesn't work in the latest Beta

[Kurtnoise]

Indeed...I miss a "*." in the code. Shame on me. :o It's fixed now...

[Kurtnoise]

beta 3 (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=112) is out.


changelog :

- Fix the '*.' missing concerning the mp2 files in the dropdown list.
- Fix the "-azid( )" command when input are different from AC3.
- Fix the disabling options with multiple selection at the opening.
- Fix internal error when we have 2 or more files to transcode.

[humax]

hi
need some dll. for AAC but dont using ist.
i want only ac3 to mp3 converten but wont work with 0.22 beta 3

screeenshot shows prob

thx for help

[LigH]

Seems that BeLight wants to ensure that you have all required DLLs if you might want to convert to AAC. Please check well if it is just a "warning" (which you may ignore) or really an "error" (means, the program cannot run without it); many people seem to misunderstand how important a message really is.

(I do not yet see the yet unapproved image while writing this.)

[humax]

it doesnt work .
need theese dll. well i will put it into folder but i think its a bug.

cu

[tebasuna51]

1) I download the zip and the installer of BeLight-0[1].22b2 to compare with my actual folder with BeSweetv1.5b29 and I have two questions:
Is besweet.dll necessary? It is not present in the DSPGuru package.
BeSweet.exe is the same version (v1.5b29), size and day, but different hour and content than BeSweet.exe in the DSPGuru package. Is a modified version?

2) Cosmetics:
Don't work 3 Hints: RearChan_Hint, PlugdllName_Hint and Equalizer_Hint
My spanish translation need to be modified (sorry, I can't test it before). Here is the new version:
http://www.cdmontecanal.com/img/spanish.ini
Edit: Don't work the link with "Español.ini". You need rename it.

3) If you plan support Tranzcode, please, don't forget the option for demux a wav_6chan in 6 mono wav.
BeSweet have a limit in 2 GB (only 62 min. in a 48 KHz 6 channel wav). Tranzcode can work with wav6 > 4 GB.

[Kurtnoise]

need some dll. for AAC but dont using ist.
i want only ac3 to mp3 converten but wont work with 0.22 beta 3

ok...fixed.

[Kurtnoise]

Is besweet.dll necessary? It is not present in the DSPGuru package.
Not necessary....

BeSweet.exe is the same version (v1.5b29), size and day, but different hour and content than BeSweet.exe in the DSPGuru package. Is a modified version?
No.

Don't work 3 Hints: RearChan_Hint, PlugdllName_Hint and Equalizer_Hint
Indeed...they were disable. :D

3) If you plan support Tranzcode, please, don't forget the option for demux a wav_6chan in 6 mono wav.
BeSweet have a limit in 2 GB (only 62 min. in a 48 KHz 6 channel wav). Tranzcode can work with wav6 > 4 GB.
yes it's expected but the 2Gb limit has been corrected in the last BeSweet beta. Make a search...

btw, thanks for the update ini file.

[tebasuna51]

yes it's expected but the 2Gb limit has been corrected in the last BeSweet beta.

No.

Thanks.

[Kurtnoise]

Works with the floating-point (32 bits)...Read Q30 in BeSweet FAQ and here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=75613&highlight=besweet+4gb).

[daphy]

Hi Kurt,

corecodec.org is currently down, so I can´t offer a mirror, plz upload your smaller version on to the needfulthings upload folder (http://www.needfulthings.webhop.org/upload/) :rolleyes:

THX Daphy

[Kurtnoise]

Done...but probably you need to wait a couple of hours to have a new beta. I'll build a new one tonight.

[daphy]

okey dokey ;)

[Kurtnoise]

beta 4 (http://unite-video.com/phpbb/download.php?id=1892) is up...

changelog :
- Fix the warning loading concerning the aac dlls missing.
- Fix the hints which were disabled.
- Update the Azid command even if the Input File List is empty.
- Update the command line for the 5.1 channels with Advanced Settings.
- Update Spanish language.



As CC.org is down, there is a link mirror in my sig. You could wait also that Daphy updates this new beta on needfulthing.

[JoeBG]

beta 4 (http://unite-video.com/phpbb/download.php?id=1892) is up...

changelog :




As CC.org is down, there is a link mirror in my sig. You could wait also that Daphy updates this new beta on needfulthing.

Thanks :)

[CAPM32]

I've created russian language file (it's parital however). But some captions don't fit.
Also it would be good to add translatations for drop down controls.
It would be nice if language file will be accepted automatically if placed in appropriate folder (menu languages updated).

[odyn1982]

Hi,

I've translated english.ini to polish language. I hope that You will add this translation to BeLight :)

Thx

[daphy]

Hi folks,

my provider has been hacked two times this week, on the second attemp needfulthings went down - let´s see what damages happens :mad:

anyway here another mirror (http://rapidshare.de/files/2458564/BeLight-0.22_beta4.zip.html) of the latest BeLight beta 4

the new language ini aren´t included due to their missing approval!

[mazzo]

Strange - the dialogs in beta 4 are empty.

--------- SORRY: Forgot to make a "lang" folder. Everything is OK ----------

[drob]

Kurtnoise13 Beta 4 works fine, no access violations no more. Is there a way to use toolame.exe instead of the dll? the dll is known to have hiss issues.

[johnman]

Kurtnoise13 Beta 4 works fine, no access violations no more. Is there a way to use toolame.exe instead of the dll? the dll is known to have hiss issues.

There is also an other program based on toolame call tWolame. If you are going to use the executable you might consider twolame.exe.

[humax]

how can i change output name and output path ??
wave to mp3 convert

thx

[Kurtnoise]

First of all, thanks for the translation guys. I really appreciate. I'll add them in the next release. ;)


how can i change output name and output path ??
wave to mp3 convert
Open... --> Save...That's all. :)

Is there a way to use toolame.exe instead of the dll? the dll is known to have hiss issues.
Are you sure ? Give me a link please...

Also it would be good to add translatations for drop down controls.
Indeed...

It would be nice if language file will be accepted automatically if placed in appropriate folder (menu languages updated).
Yes, it was in my todo list. btw, what do you think about an unicode version ? Can you make a such thing ? Unfortunately, I can't compile myself unicode support with my D7 Personnal Version. So, if you want and if you can, I'll update the CVS today...It seems that CoreCodec works now. :)

[drob]

Kurtnoise13, here is the answer from DSPguru himself, to a post i made awhile back:

there has been a report about static noise that can be found in one of the channels when encoding with toolame.dll, so until i shot this, mp2enc.dll is the default way to go (or make your own personal test and find a mode that you're satisfied with).

This is why toolame.dll isn't included with BeSweet package.

The issue seems to be hiss in the left channel using certain psy modes, which is not present in the exe version.

[Kurtnoise]

This is why toolame.dll isn't included with BeSweet package.
Yes but there is mp2enc.dll...Have you tested extensively with this library ? Is it bad ? I don't think so...

[drob]

mp2enc.dll is not bad, it is based on an earlier version of toolame.dll, and was created for cdex, as such toolame is more optimized, this had been discussed on hydrogenaudio, and most testimonies are that in most case toolame is slightly better then mp2enc.dll.

[Kurtnoise]

slightly, yeah. So, the easier way (if you want to use BeLight) could be to create a batch file (by using azid if your source is ac3 and/or toolame). Then, in Edit BeSweet command line you write the command (example : c:\windows\cmd.exe c:\my_batch_file.bat) to run this batch file...

[drob]

Could you integrate toolame.exe into the GUI? enabling to choose between mp2enc, toolame dll and the executable? maybe by adding a fixed command line that points to toolame.exe and parsing the switches from the dll?

[Kurtnoise]

I'll try but you must know that it's not my first priority. ;)

[drob]

I'll try but you must know that it's not my first priority. ;)

It is your up-most priority, got it :D

[Backwoods]

The progress bar does not move for me nor does the CML come up anymore. Normal changes?

[drob]

The progress bar does not move for me nor does the CML come up anymore. Normal changes?
I can confirm progress bar not moving.

[Kurtnoise]

With what kind of input files ? ac3 or anything else ?

[Backwoods]

Only tried WAV to AC3. I can test others tonight.

[absinthe]

Ok, I haven't been following this whole thread along, but what does it mean when all your labels disappear (literally all the words on the GUI)? I do have a 'lang' folder which contains English.ini.

I just upgraded to the latest beta, and it worked the first time I ran it, but after that all my labels disappeared. Weird.

-abs

edit: Oh yeah, and the progress bar doesn't seem to move right for me, either.

Also, is there some limitation or bug with batch encoding? That's my main reason for wanting to use BeLight (no batches in Headac3he). I queued up 4 jobs and the first 3 seem to have worked, but I got an abort in the last one. And all 4 jobs were virtually identical, so there should've been anything peculiar about job #4 that caused it to crash.

-abs

[drob]

I can confirm problems with batch processing, BeLight only runs one of the jobs, usually the last one, in other cases it reported transcoding done, without actually doing anything.

There seems to be an issue with latest b30 of BeSweet, BeLight finished the job, log file confirmed the job was done, but didn't change the button to green and the status still showed trasncoding, or when transcoding into mp2, i got BeSweet doesn't exist.


When transcoding into mp2 using b29 of BeSweet, i got the BeSweet is a command line and has a GUI pop up.

Encoding into mp2 doesn't have the option for adding the -e error correction switch, trying to edit he command line didn't help.

I tried the progress bar issue both in inputing AC3 to wav and to mp2.

[Kurtnoise]

Thanks for the bug report, I'll fix that asap...

[drob]

Thanks for the bug report, I'll fix that asap...
:thanks:

[aliumalik]

Is it me or progress bars aren't working in beta4?

Thanks for that noid3 option Kurt :D

[johnman]

I just recieved this notification from my firewal:

Application Hijacking has been detected
The application: F:\......\BeLight.exe try to launch another
application: F:\.....\mozilla.exe to go to remote host www.paypal.com


Am i the only one with this problem?
Im doing a virus check now since i suspect something is wrong with my system (totaly unrelated to belight) just to be shure.

[m0rtal]

I just recieved this notification from my firewal:

Application Hijacking has been detected
The application: F:\......\BeLight.exe try to launch another
application: F:\.....\mozilla.exe to go to remote host www.paypal.com


Am i the only one with this problem?
Im doing a virus check now since i suspect something is wrong with my system (totaly unrelated to belight) just to be shure.

nothing suspicious @ my pc atm... take care :)

[johnman]

Nothing found by online scanner and my own scanner.
Dont know what's the cause of this.

[deets]

just wanted to say thanks, its a nice gui :)

[Paulcat]

I am trying to transcode 6 (six) MP3 files to AC3 format. I dragged all six into the menu box, but checked only the first one. The transcoding went fine (I did one to see how long it would take). I then checked 2 through 6 and started processing. I got logs for 2 and 6 only, and it kept over-writing the AC3 I had made for MP3 #1!

I got the job done by doing one at a time, closing and re-opening BeLight for each one, however, it was a bit of a pain. And, no, the progress bar did nothing for me either!

It is a beta version though!

Paulcat

p.s. I am using the latest BeSweet 1.5 beta30 and BeLight 0.22 beta4. To convert to AAC, can I use the DLL's from corecodec? Are they recognized by being in the BeSweet directory or is something else needed?

[LigH]

CoreCodec made an AAC *en*coder? That's new to me - I thought they only provide a *de*coder filter.

For encoding to AAC, BeSweet only supports the Nero AAC encoder via BSN, as far as I know.

[daphy]

Hi Kurt,

first impression: the GUI looks real nice and works fine so far :)

two thinks I´ve noticed while trying to split a 32bits 6channel WAV:
I found no way to use this command with the GUI :confused:
BeSweet.exe -core( -input "c:\...\6ambi1.5.wav" -output "c:\...\6ambi1.5-New-" -6chfloat -logfilea BeSweet.log ) -ota( -G 0.95 )

while spliting into channels the 0% stay constant -> maybe someone else has posted this before :o

[Kurtnoise]

Heya,

Sorry for the delay guys...I'm really busy with my job.



two thinks I´ve noticed while trying to split a 32bits 6channel WAV:
I found no way to use this command with the GUI :confused:

Do you use the GUI to create the command line or your hands + run button :p ? If you use BeLight, it's maybe a bug. I'll check out this thing.

while spliting into channels the 0% stay constant -> maybe someone else has posted this before :o
indeed... :devil:

[ron spencer]

first off...thanks for the proggy.,

when it is done converting 5.1 to 2.0 WAV (which is does perfectly), the dialog stops with an x and says "transcoding aborted" probably should be "transcoding finished"

[dwrbudr]

@Kurtnoise13: Can you redirect the console output into some memo box in the GUI? This is done using pipes. I can supply some delphi code if you want. I used that technique in an old project I've done and it works fine.

[Kurtnoise]

when it is done converting 5.1 to 2.0 WAV (which is does perfectly), the dialog stops with an x and says "transcoding aborted" probably should be "transcoding finished"
fixed....;)

[Kurtnoise]

@Kurtnoise13: Can you redirect the console output into some memo box in the GUI?
for what for ?

Use the logfile option. It gives you exactly what you looking for.

[ron spencer]

thanks Kurtnoise...does this mean that we should re download beta 4? Or are you making a beta 5?

[dwrbudr]

@Kurtnoise13: Because I cannot see the progress of the transcoding. I'm using the latest beta and transcoding to AAC, but the current and total progress bars are always at 0%. Redirecting the console to text box is really easy - about 20-30 lines of code :)

[Kurtnoise]

thanks Kurtnoise...does this mean that we should re download beta 4? Or are you making a beta 5?
Just wait a new beta...

[Kurtnoise]

@Kurtnoise13: Because I cannot see the progress of the transcoding. I'm using the latest beta and transcoding to AAC, but the current and total progress bars are always at 0%. Redirecting the console to text box is really easy - about 20-30 lines of code :)
it's the same problem like someone else has described in different post above...It's fixed for wav files but there is a strange thing with vorbis and mpeg files. I use the same code but it doesn't work... :sly: Give me some times to find this bug. Thanks.

[ron spencer]

ok...thanks!!!!

[mazzo]

If you choose bitrate 96, it will encode in 320.

[Kurtnoise]

Can't reproduce this bug...All works fine here.

Which version did you use ?

And btw, :logfile:

[mazzo]

Kurtnoise:

I use Beta 4. Win 2000.

I encode in 96 mono resample 48000. The Besweet command line gives me
-m m -b 320 -resample 48

[Kurtnoise]

ok I see...It was in CBR mode.

[neo_anderson]

hey kurt, i've got a small question, i noticed there are some boost modes, like those of dspguru, ligh,etc. in belight, so should they be used in ac3 to mp3 or aac or vorbis transcoding, and pls can u tell me which one should be used for ac3 to aac and ac3 to vorbis and ac3 to mp3 conversion!thanks in advance!

[Kurtnoise]

The boost modes must be use only with wav input files.

[LigH]

@ neo_anderson:

I guess I'm the right person to tell you about the booster...

Booster is a per-sample "dynamic compressor". It works like a saturating amplifier, and each mode uses a different saturating function:

- LigH: tangens hyperbolicus
- DSPguru: arcus tangens
- Tera: division to a sum with an abs value

The first mode (LigH) is quite linear for the quieter parts, and saturating a bit more suddenly. I'd recommend this with a factor around 3.0 for dynamic compression when the amount of channels is kept (no downmix).

The second mode (DSPguru) starts to saturate earlier. I would recomment this mode with a factor around 4.0 for dynamic compression on sources which get downmixed (e.g. AC3 5.1 to 2.0 for MP3).

The third mode (Tera) saturates even earlier. In general, I cannot recommend this mode - except maybe, if you really need to boost your material into the orbit to understand anything.

If you want to use the booster instead of Azid's DRC (and I mean "instead of", don't forget about this!), is your choice of taste. Try it. Play around. Decide for yourself.

The waveform will get distorted, but from my experience, this doesn't harm surround effects remarkably. In my opinion, its advantage is less "pumping", especially if you need the dynamic compressed well to avoid your neighbors knocking on walls. But the waveform distorsion is a downside an audiophile cannot ignore.
__

@ Kurtnoise13:

Only on WAV? What makes you assume that? BeSweet supports the booster internally as well, during the conversion of any supported format pair.

[Kurtnoise]

yes I know...but I had several issues (too many distorsions...and I dont like this) when I applied a boost with some lossy files.

[Kurtnoise]

Heya,

What's wrong with Polish and Russian language file ???

I've this when I read the files :

DynComp=Kompresja Dynamiczna :
DynComp_Hint=Ta opcja w³¹cza ogóln¹ kompresjê dynamiczn¹ w dekoderze
SSRC=Wyjœciowa Czêstotliwoœæ Próbkowania :
SSRC_Hint=Ta opcja ustawia czêstotliwoœæ wyjœciow¹ pliku wynikowego
BoostMode=Opcja G³oœnoœci :
Boost_Hint=Ustawienia ró¿nych profili do wzmocnienia g³oœnoœci
OTAMode=Mode :
OTAMode_Hint_part1=To kontroluje ró¿ne metody regulacji g³oœnoœci i normalizacji dŸwiêku
OTAMode_Hint_part2=Operuje na pliku wejœciowym. Hybrid Mode jest polecany dla mp2, mp3,
OTAMode_Hint_part3=albo dla pliku vorbis. Dla aac/mp4, u¿yj PreGain.
OTADelay=OpóŸnienie :
OTADelay_Hint_part1=Nadaj opóŸnienie (w milisekundach). Jeœli twój plik wejœciowy okreœla
OTADelay_Hint_part2=wartoœæ opóŸnienia, BeLight wykryje automatycznie t¹ wartoœæ.
There are some ³ and ¹ sometimes... :confused:

And for Russian
[MAIN]
MenuFile1=&Ôàéë
MenuOpen1=Îòêðûòü...
MenuSave1=Ñîõðàíèòü...
MenuCreateLSTFile=Ñîçäàòü .lst ôàéë
MenuCreateMUXFile=Ñîçäàòü .mux ôàéë
MenuQuit1=Âûõîä
MenuEdit=&Ðåäàêòèðîâàòü
MenuBSCL=Ðåäàêòîð êîìàíäíîé ñòðîêè BeSweet
MenuSplitFiles=Ðàçäåëèòü ôàéëû ñ ïîìîùüþ BeSplit

[LigH]

They use a different codepage, not Windows-1252 (ANSI/Latin1) or Latin-Western (ISO-8859-1). Special chars (above ASCII code 127) are substituted.

1250 = Central/Eastern European (probably useful for polish)
1251 = Cyrillic (useful for russian)
1252 = Western European (usual for basic latin chars)
...

[Kurtnoise]

Does it mean I need to change my CharSet or add a CharSet option in BeLight ??

[LigH]

I'm not sure; I would expect that Windows has a different default codepage in such localized installations, so you probably don't have to handle anything inside your program

[Backflip]

Hi, I've read through the thread. I also get the Transcoding aborted error with music video audio:

- I'm using BeLight 0.22 b4.
- Audio is - 4mn 5s 244 kbps 2CH @ 6.55MB. Tested at

Dynamic compression - Normal
Output - Stereo
Normal/HE/High (2.59MB)
4mn 5s

Just thought I'd report the error. Audio appears to be fine though (Is it fine?)

Thanks :)

[Vlad74]

Hi Kurt!

I am using Win XP Pro SP2, and when I tried to use BeLight 0.22b4 I have on my screen the truncated window of the program that cannot be completely opened anyway:
http://img114.echo.cx/img114/575/belight022b45jb.jpg

Can it be solved?
Everything is OK when I use 0.21...

[Kurtnoise]

huh...very strange. What resolution do you use ? btw, you can resize manually the window.

@Blackflip...yes, it's fixed.

[video_magic]

Belight 0220 beta 4
PCM WAVE 48000 16bit stereo, encoding to AC3 160kb 2 channel.

Media Player Classic details identifies encoded ac3 file as 6 channels. Gspot identifies it as 2 channel.

I'm just wandering if the file has been accurately encoded as stereo (2 channels), or if this is a bug in Belight encoding - or a bug in MPCs analysis identification of the ac3 file?.

[Kurtnoise]

I can't see the picture coz it needs to be approval but I'm sure about one thing : BeSweet can't transcode directly a stereo to a multichannel stream. So....;)

[Vlad74]

2 Kurt: I can do nothing with this window manually! The resolution is 1280x1024. I agree - It is strange, I never had same problem and I do not know what to think about it. An older version (0.22b1) had normal window size and worked well but coursed 3 times before each start that it had some problems for lack of something. Now I have it rewritten with the newest version. :confused:

huh...very strange. What resolution do you use ? btw, you can resize manually the window.
.

[video_magic]

Aha, yes you are right Kurtnoise! I just tested some differently encoded 2 channel AC3s and it is definitely MPC identification problem which identifies 6 channels instead of 2.

No problems with the Belight encoded AC3s then, thanks a lot :)

[Kurtnoise]

@video_magic : hehe, good to know. ;)

@vlad : I'll check it but by manually I'd say : with the mouse you can modify the width & heigth of BeLight.

[Vlad74]

@vlad : I'll check it but by manually I'd say : with the mouse you can modify the width & heigth of BeLight.

Unfortunately, no! The size of BL window I get on my monitor is unalterable with mouse - it is a problem!

[Kurtnoise]

Like I said I'll check it...Thanks for the bug report.

[aliumalik]

Hey Kurt would it be possible to add an option regarding the encoding thread's priority?

[Kurtnoise]

Check the options --> Priority in the Menu...;)

[Backflip]

Bit of a strange one, but anywho. I recently upgraded to the latest BeSweet, but now every time I close then reopen BeLight my language is set to Spanish, instead of English which I chose.

Also, just something I was wondering, but should I be able to select Variable bitrate mode - Normal and HE (High Efficeincy) AAC with Quality set to High and expect a Normal quality HE-aac file, or will it be LC-aac (auto-switch to LC?).

Foobar says the file is:
bitrate = 192
samplerate = 48000
channels = 6
aac_profile = HE AAC
codec = AAC
tool = Nero AAC Codec 3.2.0.15
----------
350754048 samples @ 48000Hz
File size: 176 273 088 bytes

Media Info says:
Format : MPEG4 at 193 Kbps
Length : 168 MiB for 2h 1mn 47s 450ms

Audio #0 : MPEG-4 AAC LC at 192 Kbps
Infos : channel(s), 48 KHz

Hhmm, I was just wondering about that because I've noticed in the Nero AAC encoder itself that you can only use a Variable bit rate setting of Normal :: High and only the LC profile.

[Kurtnoise]

Bit of a strange one, but anywho. I recently upgraded to the latest BeSweet, but now every time I close then reopen BeLight my language is set to Spanish, instead of English which I chose.
Works like a charm here..try to reinstall the last BeLight beta version.

Also, just something I was wondering, but should I be able to select Variable bitrate mode - Normal and HE (High Efficeincy) AAC with Quality set to High and expect a Normal quality HE-aac file, or will it be LC-aac (auto-switch to LC?).
Media Info doesn't detect the SBR flag (aka High Efficiency) in mp4 files. So there is no problem here. ;)

[tjdavis1138]

Trying to use the create mux file option. I have 6 wav's that I want to convert to a 5.1 ac3 file. Belight creates the mux file fine and the command line looks good, but when I try to start the process it obviously has a problem so I checked the log and this is what I have: Error 32: No input-data was found (wrong substream?)

Not sure what to do here. I created the wav's in vegas so I assume they are ok.

Thanks for any help or suggestions. :)

[LigH]

Not sure what to do here.
As usual:

Post the whole command line, and the content of the mux file.

[Kurtnoise]

In addition, mux input file is not supported as input file for the last betas.

[Backflip]

Think I know the reason why the language was reverting to Spanish. It was because I was closing the program after encoding had finished instead of clicking the green/white arrow. Think it only happens after the Transcoidng aborted error occurs.

[Paulcat]

I have some VCD's that I am converting to DVD's, and as my authoring software takes a long time to resample the audio from 44,100HZ to 48,000HZ so I wanted to do it with BeSweet/BeLight (I have BeSweet 1.5b30 and BeLight 0.22b4). However, when I select my file to alter (e.g. Audio.mp2) I cannot change the destination filename (e.g. NewAudio.mp2).

This is not an issue when changing filetype (e.g. to encode as AC3, the original file is re-encoded as Audio.ac3).

Is there a way around this? I tried to encode my audio as ac3 initially, but the final file was full of static for some reason, and as I was in a hurry, ended up letting my authoring program do the work, instead of finding the solution.

Is there a solution?

[Paulcat]

I tried again to convert mp2 to ac3 and again ended up with a file rife with static, like a poorly tuned radio. I then converted the mp2 to a stereo wav file, and then converted the wav file to ac3, which worked like a charm, AND it was louder than the first ac3 file (same volume as the mp2 and wav files)

I have had no trouble converting mp3 to ac3...

I am using BeSweet 1.5b30 and BeLight .22b4

Paul

[Kurtnoise]

when I select my file to alter (e.g. Audio.mp2) I cannot change the destination filename (e.g. NewAudio.mp2).
indeed... :o my fault. It's fixed now...


For your mp2 to ac3 trouble : well...first, I don't think it's a good idea to transcode a lossy to a lossy. Second, could you upload somewhere a short sample of your mp2 stream ? You can also send it to me by mail to kurtnoise at free dot fr

[ron spencer]

do I smell a new beta coming? Hope hope!!!!!

[Kurtnoise]

I hope to release a new beta as soon as possible (before the end of July).

[CiNcH]

Hi,

I'd like to transcode to Vorbis with a negative quality value. Guess that it is not possible and that it is a BeSeet limitation as it returns an error when using a negative quality value in command line (using latest BeSweet + SSE optimized Vorbis 1.1.1 + aoTuVb4 library).

I am currently outputting wave and further convert it to Vorbis with latest oggdropXP (based on Vorbis 1.1.1 + auTuVb4) which displays nominal bitrate much more accurate (finer steps) in Quality Mode than BeLight and supports negative values (down to -2 which equals to 32 kbps).

[Kurtnoise]

Yep... look my next post. :)

[Brother John]

But BeSweet actually CAN have negative Vorbis quality numbers. Range is from -0.1 to 1.0 and corresponds to oggencs -1 to 10. Maybe your vorbis dlls don't support that?

[Kurtnoise]

Indeed... :o I had some old dlls. I tested with the latest libvorbis (1.1.1 aoTuVb4).

With q=-0.1 :
BeSweet v1.5b30 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Jul 9 2005 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 07/20/05 , 14:19:31.

d:\Audio\BeSweet1.5b30\BeSweet.exe -core( -input d:\Samples\DaFunk.wav -output d:\Samples\DaFunk.ogg -logfile D:\Audio\BeSweet.log ) -ogg( -q -0.1 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : d:\Samples\DaFunk.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: d:\Samples\DaFunk.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | Average Bitrate : 160
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:578] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:20:578] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 49kbps
[00:00:05:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 07/20/05 , 14:19:36.


With q=-0.2 :

BeSweet v1.5b30 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Jul 9 2005 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 07/20/05 , 14:17:09.

d:\Audio\BeSweet1.5b30\BeSweet.exe -core( -input d:\Samples\DaFunk.wav -output d:\Samples\DaFunk.ogg -logfile D:\Audio\BeSweet.log ) -ogg( -q -0.2 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : d:\Samples\DaFunk.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: d:\Samples\DaFunk.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | Average Bitrate : 160
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:578] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:20:578] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 35kbps
[00:00:04:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 07/20/05 , 14:17:13.

Some issue with average bitrate values in the log...but the average bitrate is ok when I checked my files with fb2k.

Ok, I'll include this in the next release... :p Sorry for my bad answer previously.

[CiNcH]

Ah, I see, so -0.2 in BeSweet equals to -2.0 in oggdropXP. Thanks.

Would be nice if you added it to BeLight, Kurt.

[Kurtnoise]

Would be nice if you added it to BeLight, Kurt.
Done...;)

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/vorbis_negval.gif

I'm thinking about something now : added a flag to prevent people to have libvorbis.dll updated if you want to use these negative values. What do think about that ? An other way could be to update directly my package with this dll...

[Palikrovol]

I'm thinking about something now : added a flag to prevent people to have libvorbis.dll updated if you want to use these negative values. What do think about that ? An other way could be to update directly my package with this dll...

I think there is no problem at all with libvorbis.dll versions. I think all version suport negative values.

CiNcH had problems (correct me if i'm wrong) because he/she used -2.0 instead of -0.2.

Anyway it could be a great idea if you (Kurt) has the latest versions of the libvorbis.dll in the download site.

Go on with the great Belight. Thanks a lot.

[Kurtnoise]

The problem is that DSPGuru doesn't provide libvorbis.dll in his BeSweet package. In addition, some people have OggDSF installed. Thus, BeSweet uses this filter for the Vorbis transcoding when there isn't libvorbis.dll into BeSweet folder. In this case AFAIK, we can't use negative values with OggDSF. That's why, all in all, I think the best thing for all will be to include directly libvorbis.dll in BeLight package.

[Palikrovol]

The problem is that DSPGuru doesn't provide libvorbis.dll in his BeSweet package. In addition, some people have OggDSF installed. Thus, BeSweet uses this filter for the Vorbis transcoding when there isn't libvorbis.dll into BeSweet folder. In this case AFAIK, we can't use negative values with OggDSF. That's why, all in all, I think the best thing for all will be to include directly libvorbis.dll in BeLight package.

OK. But remember that there are optimazied versions of libvorbis.dll for pentium4, AMD and of course the general ones.

Are you going to make different builds or just include the general (not optimazied) libvorbis.dll?

[Kurtnoise]

Yep...

Are you going to make different builds or just include the general (not optimazied) libvorbis.dll?
There are lot of place in CC.org you know... :D So I can release different builds w/o problem.

[CiNcH]

OK. But remember that there are optimazied versions of libvorbis.dll for pentium4, AMD and of course the general ones.

You mean the lancer builds? I guess that those builds are just based on SSE which is also supported by AMD Athlon processors from XP onwards, probably SSE2 (don't think so), which means that those builds will work on AMD Athlon 64 and onwards.

But the optimized lancer builds (latest build based on Vorbis 1.1.1 + aoTuVb4) are indeed great. Almost doubled encoding speed...

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Finally, 0.22 beta 5 (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=132#r132) is out. :)


changelog :

- Add q negative settings for Vorbis Encoding (libvorbis.dll needed).
- Add some info in the Hint when we select the file in the Input File List.
- Add Polish & Russian Languages.
- Update the AAC presets by introducing the Fast Quality Mode.
- Fix the transcoding aborted flag.
- Fix the mono CBR Mode for MP3 Setting at 96 kbps.
- Fix the ProgressBar Position for MPEG and Vorbis files during the transcoding.

[Vlad74]

Hi Kurt!

I tested the 0.22b5 version and found the same problem with main program window: it is stably shrinked in the right-bottom corner and cannot be streched by mouse. In attempt to stretch it the program window stretches only in its left -top directions... :(
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6262/belight022b58ol.jpg

All the same as it was with the version 0.22b4.
I am using Win XP Pro SP2, CPU - AMD Duron, nVidia card...

And it is still OK when I use 0.21 and it was OK when I used version 0.22b1 and b2. Can I get them?

[Kurtnoise]

Too bad for you...Did you use a large font with your PC (i.e 120 dpi) ? You can check this by a right click on your desktop then Properties --> Settings tab --> Advanced button.

Anyway, could you check with this version (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight-0.22_beta5.zip)...Thanks.

[MrX]

I'm working on a german translation. In the next days I will finish it.
But please leave for the next version more place for the "terms" and buttons. Because in other languages the "terms" are longer usually.
For example:
Options = Einstellungen

[neo_anderson]

hey, i have a question, for ac3 to aac encoding, can i use both pregain and normalize to 100%, or should just one of them be used? which is the optimized way for ac3 to aac encoding in belight, i mean which all options?

[Kurtnoise]

I'm working on a german translation. In the next days I will finish it.
But please leave for the next version more place for the "terms" and buttons. Because in other languages the "terms" are longer usually.

I know...I try to make my best with terms and buttons but this is the main problem with translation.

If you want some help, I found in my old HD an old german translation created by Brother John. I can post it...

[Kurtnoise]

hey, i have a question, for ac3 to aac encoding, can i use both pregain and normalize to 100%, or should just one of them be used? which is the optimized way for ac3 to aac encoding in belight, i mean which all options?
Just one of them...is enough. By default, it's PreGain in BeLight.

[neo_anderson]

kurt, dude, one more thing, should i use 44100 khz or 48000 khz for encoding ac3 to aac in belight?

[Kurtnoise]

It depends of your input file...but the aac compressor from Nero try to find the best and the optimized setting for you. So, let's the Sampling-Rate disabled....at least if you haven't some restrictions for your following tasks.

[Vlad74]

Too bad for you...Did you use a large font with your PC (i.e 120 dpi) ? You can check this by a right click on your desktop then Properties --> Settings tab --> Advanced button.

Anyway, could you check with this version (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight-0.22_beta5.zip)...Thanks.

Hi, Kurt!

You are genius! You have guessed absolutely right! I did had 120dpi fonts, because Normal fonts were a little bit small for my LCD monitor. When I had changed settings of video card to Normal, both versions of your program - the one you asked me to test and that one I downloaded before - both of them started to work without any shrinkage of windows.

Thank you very much for your help!

However, I think that shrinkage evidences of some gaps in your program, because neither version 0.21 nor other used programs do not depend on settings of video card. It would be great if this problem could be solved in the final version, that I await with impatience!

All the best for you
And good luck!

[2COOL]

BTW if your VOB contains only one audio stream and you have VOBInput.dll in BeLight folder, all should work fine by choosing "All Files" from the input list normally...I think this tidbit should be mentioned on your first post. It took me awhile to read through this big thread and it was post #173.

Also, I find myself manually opening and reading the log if any errors occur. Request for a view log function and option to save?

[2COOL]

@Kurtnoise13

I forgot one more request. It's fine that you are using one thread for new BeLight announcements and discussions, but I would wish that there was some bookmarking table of contents in the first post to jump to versions when they have been released.

e.g.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=90960
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=92481

In case, someone might want to easily peruse through the archives. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

I think this tidbit should be mentioned on your first post. It took me awhile to read through this big thread and it was post #173.
Well...you're right. I need to update my first post with some clues. btw, concerning this :

if your VOB contains only one audio stream and you have VOBInput.dll in BeLight folder, all should work fine by choosing "All Files" from the input list normally...
It's not neccessary anymore because there is VOB Files in drop menu List Entry now.

Also, I find myself manually opening and reading the log if any errors occur. Request for a view log function and option to save?
The logfile is saved in your input folder....if you have checked "output log" of course in the settings. ;)

[2COOL]

It's not neccessary anymore because there is VOB Files in drop menu List Entry now.Yes, I knew about that but is it just me that the VOBInput.dll is not included in latest versions of BeLight and BeSweet?

The logfile is saved in your input folder....if you have checked "output log" of course in the settings. ;)Again, I know it saves it because I have checked it but I have to manually check it for any unforseen error. It would be nice if a separate logfile dialog would pop up like DVD Decrypter logfile and view the status in real time. Then, we could opt to save it need be.

But, if you choose to retain the save log option setup, then how about a button/option to view the logfile instead of going into the File Manager and manually opening it?

[Kurtnoise]

Yes, I knew about that but is it just me that the VOBInput.dll is not included in latest versions of BeLight and BeSweet?
Indeed...I forgot this dll in the last package. (but vob input files isn't supported yet in the 0.22 branches...only 0.21. Yeah, I need to update my first post. :D I finish this answer and I add some infos.)


Again, I know it saves it because I have checked it but I have to manually check it for any unforseen error. It would be nice if a separate logfile dialog would pop up like DVD Decrypter logfile and view the status in real time. Then, we could opt to save it need be.
mmmh why not...:) but my question is : why would you like to have this info in real time ? :D

[2COOL]

why would you like to have this info in real time ? :D Well, at the time when I did have my VOBInput.dll in my folder, my process indicated that everything went well. But, when I went to check the folder to see my new files, there were some missing. It was because of the logfile that has shown me the error.

Also, about the logfile saving option you mentioned...where is it? I just looked in latest version and I can't find it. It must be saving by default.

But, why not having a logfile dialog on the side in real time? It gives the user a better understanding of what events are occuring and the results are. It gives us a sense of security.

[Kurtnoise]

Also, about the logfile saving option you mentioned...where is it? I just looked in latest version and I can't find it. It must be saving by default.
It is saved as soon as the BeSweet process is running. There is not saving option concerning the logfile.

But, why not having a logfile dialog on the side in real time? It gives the user a better understanding of what events are occuring and the results are. It gives us a sense of security.
Ok...I'll add it. Anyway, if you try BeLight 0.22 beta xxx you can see already some infos during the process.




PS : first post updated. Tell me if it's enough...

[Paulcat]

I was tinkering with beta5, converting an mp3 file to a stereo ac3 file...the progress bar showed completion in about 5 seconds, while the actual conversion process took 4 minutes...

[Kurtnoise]

It's because BeLight doesn't like that you transcode a lossy file to an other lossy file.... :sly: :D

More seriously. The extension of your input file is in capital letter, right ? If yes rename it in lower case. I just fixed this issue...



btw, try to describe the bugs more precisely in the future...Copy here the logfile at least. Thanks.

[MrX]

If you want some help, I found in my old HD an old german translation created by Brother John. I can post it...

That would be nice.

[Kurtnoise]

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/Deutsch_by_BrotherJohn.txt

Hope this helps.

[2COOL]

It is saved as soon as the BeSweet process is running. There is not saving option concerning the logfile. Yes, but it contradicts what you previously posted.

The logfile is saved in your input folder....if you have checked "output log" of course in the settings. ;)

_______________

Ok...I'll add it. Anyway, if you try BeLight 0.22 beta xxx you can see already some infos during the process. Thanks!

PS : first post updated. Tell me if it's enough...Much better! :D BTW, I see you have updated the image. I kinda like the green interface since it made it look so fresh and not so default. That's what I'm using right now.

[EDIT] I think you should mention this important disclaimer in your first post too if it's still valid while using VOBInput.dll. I haven't tried it yet with a multiple audio VOB but I assume it won't work properly?

if your VOB contains only one audio stream and you have VOBInput.dll in BeLight folder ...

[Kurtnoise]

Yes, but it contradicts what you previously posted.
Not at all...by option saving I would say something like that : File --> Save as. In other words, using some manually interaction. ;)



I see you have updated the image. I kinda like the green interface since it made it look so fresh and not so default. That's what I'm using right now.
You mean the winXP Theme ?


I think you should mention this important disclaimer in your first post too if it's still valid while using VOBInput.dll. I haven't tried it yet with a multiple audio VOB but I assume it won't work properly?
It's not valid anymore with BeLight 0.21...

[Paulcat]

It's because BeLight doesn't like that you transcode a lossy file to an other lossy file.... :sly: :D

More seriously. The extension of your input file is in capital letter, right ? If yes rename it in lower case. I just fixed this issue...

btw, try to describe the bugs more precisely in the future...Copy here the logfile at least. Thanks.

No, actually the extension was lower case. The file did transcode correctly, it was just that the progress bar moved far too quickly for the actual work being done. Oh, and the final percentages were 0% as well. There were no anomalies in the logfile..

[Kurtnoise]

mmmh strange...So, :logfile: In addition, try to create a short sample from your input file and then send it to me.

[tw1164]

Sorry this question has been answered before, I search but didn't find a posting. When I use belight 0.22b5 it sometimes brings up a popbox saying "This is the commandline verison a GUI is available at dspguru.doom9.org" I've tried rename besweet.exe file and have only a besweet.dll file in the belight folder, but that doesn't work. I've only started to get this popbox w/ the 0.22b5 update.

[Kurtnoise]

huh ?

1/ Did you grab the whole package or only the .zip file ?

2/ Did you use/write your own command line in the dedicated area ?


Suggestion : grab the BeLight-0.22b5_General.exe package and install it. It contains all the necessary. Then run BeLight and load your files. No need to rename something.

[neo_anderson]

i have the p4.exe version , but aac encoding won't complete, even when those nero aac dll's are copied in belight folder

[Kurtnoise]

Did you read my last posts above ? Try to describe more precisely your problem... :angry: Is it too complicated for you, humm ??? I don't know what kind of input file did you use..What command ? and the logfile where is it ? Extension of your input file is in lower case ? If it's in capital letter try to change it...

[azsd]

I have convert mulity ac3 files to wav,the ac3 file in bottom of list have been convert like other list item but no wav files generated.
if I convert 01.ac3,02.ac3,03.ac3,there is still have decoding step on 03.ac3,but no 03.wav&03.log produced.

if I unchecked 01 and 02 in list,then do the convert,after 2 minunts,there still no more output files.

[neo_anderson]

d-uh, ur p4 version cannot convert ac3 to aac, but general version does fine!

[Kurtnoise]

d-uh, ur p4 version cannot convert ac3 to aac, but general version does fine!
:eek:


I have convert mulity ac3 files to wav,the ac3 file in bottom of list have been convert like other list item but no wav files generated.
if I convert 01.ac3,02.ac3,03.ac3,there is still have decoding step on 03.ac3,but no 03.wav&03.log produced.

if I unchecked 01 and 02 in list,then do the convert,after 2 minunts,there still no more output files.
fixed...;)


@2Cool : what do you think about that ? :D

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight_log.gif

I need to tune again some different things but it works. This weekend I'll release a new beta with this trick.

[MacAddict]

d-uh, ur p4 version cannot convert ac3 to aac, but general version does fine!
PIV version works great for me here. GUI still has a bug where it sometimes defaults to Spanish language when launched though. Great tool though!

[ron spencer]

another beta on top of 5? Wow thanks!!! this is nice

[Kurtnoise]

beta 6 (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=140#r140) is out...:)


changelog:

- Add Belight log file (Menu View --> Log). Many thanks to 2Cool for the suggestion.
- Add Italian Language. Thanks to Drak0
- Fix the input lower case extension missing.
- Fix the loop transcoding process with N input files.


btw, don't expect to have some answers for my part or new builds in the next weeks. I take some holidays...;) I'll be back in september...Thanks for all.

++
Kurtnoise

[ron spencer]

well....if you want a good vacation you should make another beta (beta 7)...you know, 7 is "lucky"...so how about it?

thanks as always!!!!

[Kurtnoise]

No...It's 13 my lucky digit. ;)

[ChronoCross]

Errors found in Beta 6:

a) Partial encoding doesn't work. it doesn't cut the right timeframe
b) if you encode something, then try to encode it again in a different format. An About box comes up and you have to restart the program to encode the same file again.

[MacAddict]

Errors found in Beta 6:
b) if you encode something, then try to encode it again in a different format. An About box comes up and you have to restart the program to encode the same file again.
I can definitely confirm this one with the normal and P4 build.

[Deckerr]

How do you save the file you are encoding to a different folder? It will only save it in the source folder for me.

[Zyphon]

@Deckerr

In the FIle menu, select Save and choose a folder. :)

EDIT: I just tested what I said above and it doesn't work. Another bug?

I even checked the BeSweet Command Line from the Edit Menu and although the commandline had the correct output Path that I selected in the Save option, BeLight still saved my resulting .mp2 in the same folder as the source. :(

[Deckerr]

Thanks for that. It's not just me losing my mind then.

[Zyphon]

Thanks for that.
Your Welcome. :)

It's not just me losing my mind then.
Not unless we are both losing our minds. :D

[cw_uk]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but the ac3 to mp2 preset uses Hybrid gain as the default this setting causes nothing but problems on mp2. when muxing with mpv/m2v etc the audio is fine for about 5 mins then cuts out have tested this on multiple files using various settings and it always comes down to hybrid gain where as pre gain works perfectly.

small request, would it be possible to store the presets in a ini file so we could use our own or edit the originals. ?

[ricardo.santos]

first time user
really nice work!!!
better gui than besweet

[Kurtnoise]

Errors found in Beta 6:

a) Partial encoding doesn't work. it doesn't cut the right timeframe
b) if you encode something, then try to encode it again in a different format. An About box comes up and you have to restart the program to encode the same file again.
ok...thanks for the bugs report. I'll fix that asap.

[Kurtnoise]

I even checked the BeSweet Command Line from the Edit Menu and although the commandline had the correct output Path that I selected in the Save option, BeLight still saved my resulting .mp2 in the same folder as the source. :(
oOo well...I see the problem. I'll fix this issue as soon as I come back home.

[Kurtnoise]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but the ac3 to mp2 preset uses Hybrid gain as the default this setting causes nothing but problems on mp2. when muxing with mpv/m2v etc the audio is fine for about 5 mins then cuts out have tested this on multiple files using various settings and it always comes down to hybrid gain where as pre gain works perfectly.
mmh...really strange. Can anyone have reproduce this ?

If it works with pregain, than use it instead of hybridgain.


small request, would it be possible to store the presets in a ini file so we could use our own or edit the originals. ?
if you use always the same settings for your own audio format, BeLight enables to remember your last settings when you (re)load it.

[Kurtnoise]

and my last sentence for Doom9... :) I hope you read it.

First of all, thank you for these great guides. If I had known that one day I would have seen my work on your website, I won't believe it... :p

So, I would like to point you some 2-3 notes :
For AAC :

Check Quality to select the encoding mode: Fast speeds up encoding at the expense of quality, and High does just the inverse.
The Fast & High Modes have the same speed up for encoding. The big difference is that the Fast Mode seems to use now a new encoding engine which gives the best results. That's why in the last BeLight beta I switch the AAC presets with this Mode.


For Vorbis :
First, I won't recommend to use OggDSF now. It's not updated and not developped anymore. For decoding, I would recommend to have the last CoreVorbis and to encode within BeSweet, I prefer to have the libvorbis.


In general : can I put a web link of your audio guides directly in my BeLight packages ?

btw, :thanks:

[Doom9]

I'll change the AAC thing.. I must admit I never bothered to test much. One thing though, what if you select no mode at all?

First, I won't recommend to use OggDSF now.Did I? I thought I recommended libvorbis but it looks like I was wrong. I guess I should also replace the oggds filters on my site with something else. Any suggestions?

can I put a web link of your audio guides directly in my BeLight packages ?Certainly.

[boombastic]

I can't find a way to change the preset setting for mp3, i'd like to always use vbr new for my encodes

[cw_uk]

mmh...really strange. Can anyone have reproduce this ?

If it works with pregain, than use it instead of hybridgain.



if you use always the same settings for your own audio format, BeLight enables to remember your last settings when you (re)load it.

thxs for the reply :D i have a mate testing my findings at the moment, from what i seen its related to the header somehow because the files are exactly the same size. but when muxed together with the mpv/m2v behave diffrently.

i had noticed that it saves the settings however it does not respect those settings i have to deselect them then reselect them for instance i had pregain selected but it used hybrid gain also priority setting seems to always default back to high. :confused:

EDIT: Few Log Files..

Pregain:

BeSweet v1.5b30 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 <http://www.cdex.n3.net>.

Logging start : 08/18/05 , 19:01:28.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp2 -logfile \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -azid( -s dplii -c light -L -3db ) -ota( -d 0 -g max ) -toolame( -m d -b 112 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : \VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: \VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 10.371dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Light
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP2 bitrate : 112
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Dual Channel
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[02:08:01:408] Conversion Completed !
[02:08:01:408] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 112kbps
[00:53:47:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/18/05 , 19:55:15.



Scanning video stream for a sequence header and pulldown type ...
3:2 pulldown detected ...

Scanning video stream for pictures ...
Found 184180 picture headers.
Video stream information
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Total time (seconds) : 7681
Sequence start : 12617
Sequence end : 0
No. Pictures : 184180
No. Groups : 12617
No. I Frames : 12617 avg. size 16696 bytes
No. P Frames : 53406 avg. size 4656 bytes
No. B Frames : 118157 avg. size 2147 bytes
No. D Frames : 0 avg. size 0 bytes
Horizontal size : 352
Vertical size : 480
Aspect ratio : 0.6735
Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec, 3:2 pulldown detected
Bit rate : 1125000 bytes/sec (9000000 bits/sec)
Computed avg rate : 116250 bytes/sec (930000 bits/sec)
Computed max rate : 552200 bytes/sec (4417600 bits/sec)
Vbv buffer size : 229376 bytes
CSPF : 0

Scanning audio stream for access units information
Found 320059 audio frame headers.
MPEG audio stream information
Stream length : 107539824
Syncwords : 320059
Frames : 320059 size 336 bytes
Frames : 0 size 337 bytes
Layer : 2
CRC checksums : no
Bit rate : 14000 bytes/sec (112 kbit/sec)
Frequency : 48.0 kHz
Mode : 2 dual channel
Mode extension : 0
Copyright bit : 0 no copyright
Original/Copy : 0 copy
Emphasis : 0 none

Multiplexing information
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Audio stream 1 data rate : 14000 bytes/sec (112000 bits/sec)
Overhead data rate : 17950 bytes/sec (143600 bits/sec)
Total data rate : 1156950 bytes/sec (9255600 bits/sec)

Multiplexing file \muxed\xx.mpg
Finished multiplexing \muxed\xx.mpg

Hybrid Gain:

BeSweet v1.5b30 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 <http://www.cdex.n3.net>.

Logging start : 08/18/05 , 20:08:33.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp2 -logfile \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -azid( -s dplii -c light -L -3db ) -ota( -d 0 -hybridgain ) -toolame( -m d -b 112 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: \Audio\VTS_08_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 8.000dB, Compression: Light
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: -2dB
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP2 bitrate : 112
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Dual Channel
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[02:08:01:408] Gain of 2.0dB had been asserted to file.
[02:08:01:408] Conversion Completed !
[02:08:01:408] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 112kbps
[00:12:14:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/18/05 , 20:20:47.


Scanning video stream for a sequence header and pulldown type ...
3:2 pulldown detected ...

Scanning video stream for pictures ...
Found 184180 picture headers.
Video stream information
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Total time (seconds) : 7681
Sequence start : 12617
Sequence end : 0
No. Pictures : 184180
No. Groups : 12617
No. I Frames : 12617 avg. size 16696 bytes
No. P Frames : 53406 avg. size 4656 bytes
No. B Frames : 118157 avg. size 2147 bytes
No. D Frames : 0 avg. size 0 bytes
Horizontal size : 352
Vertical size : 480
Aspect ratio : 0.6735
Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec, 3:2 pulldown detected
Bit rate : 1125000 bytes/sec (9000000 bits/sec)
Computed avg rate : 116250 bytes/sec (930000 bits/sec)
Computed max rate : 552200 bytes/sec (4417600 bits/sec)
Vbv buffer size : 229376 bytes
CSPF : 0

Scanning audio stream for access units information
Found 19303 audio frame headers.
MPEG audio stream information
Stream length : 6485808
Syncwords : 19303
Frames : 19303 size 336 bytes
Frames : 0 size 337 bytes
Layer : 2
CRC checksums : no
Bit rate : 14000 bytes/sec (112 kbit/sec)
Frequency : 48.0 kHz
Mode : 2 dual channel
Mode extension : 0
Copyright bit : 0 no copyright
Original/Copy : 0 copy
Emphasis : 0 none

Multiplexing information
Video stream data rate : 1125000 bytes/sec (9000000 bits/sec)
Audio stream 1 data rate : 14000 bytes/sec (112000 bits/sec)
Overhead data rate : 17950 bytes/sec (143600 bits/sec)
Total data rate : 1156950 bytes/sec (9255600 bits/sec)

Multiplexing file \muxed\xx.mpg
Finished multiplexing \muxed\xx.mpg

[Kurtnoise]

I'll change the AAC thing.. I must admit I never bothered to test much. One thing though, what if you select no mode at all?
IIRC, bsn uses High Mode by default.

Did I?
Not exactly but I've seen that you mention this OggDSF filter. :) The only thing which could be interesting with this filter it's to have the possibility to encode in vorbis with some DirectShow tools. But it's not up-to-date.

Any suggestions?
Like I said, I vote for CoreVorbis concerning decoding stream. For encoding, it depends of the tools. For BeSweet, I vote for libvorbis.dll. I'll try to bump DSPguru to include this library directly in BeSweet package.

[Kurtnoise]

I can't find a way to change the preset setting for mp3, i'd like to always use vbr new for my encodes
Change the Variable Mode...(Fast Mode corresponds to vbr new)

[Kurtnoise]

i had noticed that it saves the settings however it does not respect those settings i have to deselect them
which ones exactly ?

then reselect them for instance i had pregain selected but it used hybrid gain also priority setting seems to always default back to high. :confused:
for priority, it's normal because it's not saved :). I can add this.
for pregain/hybridgain : it depends of your output formats.

[cw_uk]

i have added a few log files to my earlier post that shows the diffrence between hybrid and pregain looks like it stops muxing at a frame early on. namely its just the mode hybrid/pregain/postgain where it fails to detect the changes on starting up however selecting and deselecting fixes it. prority would be a nice feature as high has a habit of killing the computer. :D

[boombastic]

sorry if i repeat myself but would be very usefull anyway the possibility to create or edit presets.Is there an ini file that i can modify?

[CiNcH]

Tranzcode support seems to be broken in BeLight 0.22 Beta 6.

[Zyphon]

oOo well...I see the problem. I'll fix this issue as soon as I come back home.

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for looking into the save as option, I appreciate all the hard work you have done on this excellent GUI.

:thanks:

[Esc]

Hi Kurt,
a little bug report here. I am using BeLight v22b6 and it seems to not save the priority. I put it to "idle' and when I run the program next time it's not set to anything in the menu. And when I start processing it doesn't feel like idle either.
There is also another trick it can't do. I open an ac3 file. Set it to be recoded into mp3 with abr 128. Run it. Then without closing it or anything I rename the new mp3 file and switch BeSweet from "bitrate" to "quality". If I try to run it again now, it says "This is a command line program. You can download a GUI for it at: http://DSPguru.doom9.org"
Thanks!

[booboodoll]

I'm not sure if this feature is fully functional but in the last version it seemed to be working except the last file in the queue wouldn't go through. however in this version, it seems that sometimes it tries to put through all the files in the queue at once and messes up so nothing happens and when it does work the filenames come out correct but the content of the output files is all mixed up. I've been getting duplicate audio files in content eventhough the names of the files are correct.

for example:

1a.ac3 --> 1a.mp4 (correct)
1b.ac3 --> 1b.mp4 (correct)
2a.ac3 --> 2a.mp4 (when I listen to it, it's actually 1a)
2b.ac3 --> 2b.mp4 (actually 3b)
3a.ac3 --> 3a.mp4 (actually 4a)
3b.ac3 --> 3b.mp4 (actually 1b)
4a
4b
etc. (I think you get the picture)

is anyone else having this problem? sorry if someone else has posted about this already...

[kbello]

I got the same problem with last beta

[humax]

Yes

when i make queue encoding always track 1 is used .

1AC3 - 1 MP3
2AC3 - 2 MP3 but track from Nr. 1

[Kurtnoise]

sorry if i repeat myself but would be very usefull anyway the possibility to create or edit presets.Is there an ini file that i can modify?
Yes...I'm thinking about it. My holidays are completely finished now. The BeLight dev should go on...:)

[Kurtnoise]

Tranzcode support seems to be broken in BeLight 0.22 Beta 6.
Not broken...but rather not finalized. I need a Tranzcode update to finish this part.

[Kurtnoise]

a little bug report here. I am using BeLight v22b6 and it seems to not save the priority. I put it to "idle' and when I run the program next time it's not set to anything in the menu. And when I start processing it doesn't feel like idle either.
The priority settings are not save. I can add this. Sure.

There is also another trick it can't do. I open an ac3 file. Set it to be recoded into mp3 with abr 128. Run it. Then without closing it or anything I rename the new mp3 file and switch BeSweet from "bitrate" to "quality". If I try to run it again now, it says "This is a command line program. You can download a GUI for it at: http://DSPguru.doom9.org"
Thanks!
Yep...already reported.

[Kurtnoise]

I'm not sure if this feature is fully functional but in the last version it seemed to be working except the last file in the queue wouldn't go through. however in this version, it seems that sometimes it tries to put through all the files in the queue at once and messes up so nothing happens and when it does work the filenames come out correct but the content of the output files is all mixed up. I've been getting duplicate audio files in content eventhough the names of the files are correct.

for example:

1a.ac3 --> 1a.mp4 (correct)
1b.ac3 --> 1b.mp4 (correct)
2a.ac3 --> 2a.mp4 (when I listen to it, it's actually 1a)
2b.ac3 --> 2b.mp4 (actually 3b)
3a.ac3 --> 3a.mp4 (actually 4a)
3b.ac3 --> 3b.mp4 (actually 1b)
4a
4b
etc. (I think you get the picture)

is anyone else having this problem? sorry if someone else has posted about this already...
I'll check this...Thanks for the bug report.

[dimzon]

Can you add support for my BeSweet bsn.dll replacement?
Thanx!

[Kurtnoise]

Probably yes...but I need to test it before. ;)

Good job anyway. Now, if you have too much free time an avs plugin for besweet could be great also...

[Dark-Cracker]

or a dts input, as beesweet plugin :)

[Kurtnoise]

Can you add support for my BeSweet bsn.dll replacement?


Something like that ??

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/belight_aacplus.gif

;)


/me goes back to dev...

[m0rtal]

Kurtnoise13, you are a genius ;)

[dimzon]

an avs plugin for besweet could be great also...
What does you exatly mean?

[Kurtnoise]

To have the possibility to load avisynth scripts (avs files). :)

[dimzon]

To have the possibility to load avisynth scripts (avs files). :)
I need input plugin source :mad:

[dimzon]

Kurtnoise13
I develop BeSweet encoding plugin framework (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=708717#post708717). So some AAC+v2 arguments are changed. I think it's much better to use such engine bcz it's easy to develop and add new encoding plugins :)
So You must use new AAC+v2 arguments syntax in your nice GUI...

[Kurtnoise]

oo my...you're too fast. :scared: :thanks:

[adoniscik]

Does 0.22 beta 6 even work in batch? I tried to convert some files from WAv to AC3 and it got confused. I think it only processed the first file.

[dwrbudr]

Batch is really confusing.. I think that all files in the list are merged into one file, but I'm not sure. Also BeLight crashes every time after:
Open 1.wav from File menu - Convert
Open 2.wav .. convert
and so on... convert
Click on the X to close .. and crash (access violation)

[dimzon]

Kurtnoise13
Can You add support for my FAAC BeSweet encoding plugin with AAC/MP4 output?
:thanks:

[Kurtnoise]

Does 0.22 beta 6 even work in batch? I tried to convert some files from WAv to AC3 and it got confused. I think it only processed the first file.
Yes it's buggy...sorry. I need to fix it.

Can You add support for my FAAC BeSweet encoding plugin with AAC/MP4 output?
Sure...but check my reply in your thread. :)

[Inc]

I need input plugin source :mad:

You could have a look at makeavis.exe sources from ffdshow.
it (I dont know exactly) takes the audio from the avs and serves it via vfw the audiodata (also maybe to stdout) ... so a vfw API command like AviFileGetStream() #StreamTypeAudio and AviStreamRead() could serve the needed audio bytes.

[dimzon]

You could have a look at makeavis.exe sources from ffdshow.
it (I dont know exactly) takes the audio from the avs and serves it via vfw the audiodata (also maybe to stdout) ... so a vfw API command like AviFileGetStream() #StreamTypeAudio and AviStreamRead() could serve the needed audio bytes.
I need BeSweet input plugin source...

[dimzon]

Kurtnoise13
Can I help You in BeLight development? I have 5-year Borland Delphi experience (in the past)

[dwrbudr]

Me too (in present time) :D
Also the GUI resizing is quite broken

[Kurtnoise]

Kurtnoise13
Can I help You in BeLight development? I have 5-year Borland Delphi experience (in the past)

Me too (in present time)

why not...grab the last sources in the cvs and just do it. :) There are some bugs to fix.

I'm creating the unicode version right now. Anyway If you want to speak about BeLight development, I prefer to have your ideas or suggestions directly in the Dev BeLight Forums (http://corecodec.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=128).

Thanks.



Also the GUI resizing is quite broken
It's fixed now AFAIK.

[dwrbudr]

Umm...
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/7695/belight6ds.png

[dimzon]

Kurtnoise13
Seems like CLI API is finalized now (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=99930)!
Please add support for my plugins into new version of BeSweet.
Thanx!

[Kurtnoise]

Yep...i'm working on it. I already added Faac and Speex settings in the code. Now I need to fix some few bugs reported in the lastest weeks and I'll release a new beta.


Settings for lossless encoding are planned. ;)

Keep up the good work.

[dwrbudr]

I would like to recommend a setting for Below Normal priority in the main menu(as default) and I think it will be nice to have a check mark in the priority menu to see what is the current priority. The priority settings should be saved too ;)

[Kurtnoise]

I would like to recommend a setting for Below Normal priority in the main menu(as default)
What's about "idle" ? And by default I'll keep "Normal" priority.

and I think it will be nice to have a check mark in the priority menu to see what is the current priority.
Yes..it's done.

The priority settings should be saved too
Done too...;)

[dimzon]

Yep...i'm working on it. I already added Faac and Speex settings in the code. Now I need to fix some few bugs reported in the lastest weeks and I'll release a new beta.
You can add support for my AAC+v2 plugin based onto 3GPP reference encoder.

Command line will be:
-dimzon( -dllname bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll <options>)
options:
-cbr <bitrate in bps> Default is 64000. Range is 8000-65535
-mono - for mono encoding

Output wil be in mp4 container!

[tebasuna51]

I don't konw if is more difficult to make a input plugin than a output plugin for BeSweet, but I think BeLight-BeSweet must support aac, mp4 like input files.

Now, for test and compatibility purposes, I use ffdshow (non-stable versions), foobar (broken: 5.1 -> 8 channel ?), aacdecdrop (lose SBR inf), Winamp diskwriter (limited to stereo output), ...

It's possible, with the knowledge and availability of Dimzon or others users not so busy than DspGuru, a input plugin with a decoder at least SBR compliant (better also with PS)?

Thanks.

[dimzon]

I don't konw if is more difficult to make a input plugin than a output plugin for BeSweet, but I think BeLight-BeSweet must support aac, mp4 like input files.
I'm planning to write general pupose DirectShow input plugin using hip.dll interface.
But encoding AAC+ plugin is my primary target atm.

[Kurtnoise]

You can add support for my AAC+v2 plugin based onto 3GPP reference encoder.
Added..We wait for this plugin now. :p

[dimzon]

Added..We wait for this plugin now. :p
I'm working on it :p

[dimzon]

Added..We wait for this plugin now. :p
Get it here :)

Installation:
1) You need BeSweet v1.5b31 (http://besweet.notrace.dk/BeSweetv1.5b31.zip)
2) Place provided bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll into BeSweet directory
3) Place enhAacPlusEnc.exe (command-line aac-encoder) into BeSweet directory (included into package)
NOTE! This is not standart compile, this encoder is patched by me to
support encoding PCM RAW data from stdin
4) Place ct-libisomedia.dll into BeSweet directory (included into package)

Usage: -dimzon( -dllname bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll [options] )

You can use *.mp4, *.m4a or *.3gpp as file extension.

Options:
-cbr <bitrate> - Set bitrate (CBR) to <bitrate> bps. Default is 64000
-mono - Force mono encoding for stereo material
-nops - Disable Parametric Stereo encoding (? test it)
Other options
-exe <file> Set encoder executable name. Defaut is enhAacPlusEnc.exe.
You can specify another build if you wish :)
(ask Celtic_Druid for ICL build ;) )

[CiNcH]

Watch out! You have to set bitrate in kbps, not in bps!

Thanks again dimzon. Now we have to evaluate which aacPlus encoder is best... ;) (or based on newer CT sources)

[Kurtnoise]

Great...Thanks again.

For impatient people, here is my last build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20050916.zip)... ;) I'll build the different packages tonight and I'll release the beta 7.

Be careful, this is an unicode version. And -nops - Disable Parametric Stereo encoding from the last plugin is not included. I'll add it.

[CiNcH]

@ Kurt,

3GPP implementation is not working with pre-beta 7 due to wrong bitrate argument. Unit is kbps, not bps.

E.g.
-dimzon( -dllname bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll -cbr 32 )

[Kurtnoise]

As promise, here is the beta 7 (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=164#r164)...:)

changelog:
- Add Portuguese, Hungarian & Slovenian Languages. Many Thanks guys ;)
- Add Unicode Support.
- Add Dimzon Framework (i.e FAAC, WinAmp aacplus, 3GP Reference Encoder and Speex).
- Add Enabling/Disabling Tabs for Output Format.
- Update lang files.
- Update AAC Presets with PS.
- Update Settings saving.
- Update Mux File Wizard.
- Fix Output Folder changing.
- Fix Command Lines refreshing after running session.
- Fix multiple files processing.


Be careful, this is an Unicode Version. So, it works only for winNT, win2k, winXP, winVista. I need to update the non-unicode version (it's not finished yet.)

In addition, you can see there are 3 packages now at CoreCodec. The main difference comes from libvorbis :
Normal version = like a normal version ^^
P4 = libvorbis optimised for Pentium 4 core.
Lancer = libvorbis optimised for speed w/o decreasing the quality.

[Kurtnoise]

@CinCH : it's fixed in the official release. :)

[tebasuna51]

The new español.ini for this version:
http://www.cdmontecanal.com/img/spanish.zip

In aacPlus v1 I can't select output mode (by default Dual Channel, mode 5)

bsn_raw.dll in bse20050914.7z Dimzon package is not included in BeLight-0[1].22b7_P4.exe. Is necessary?

[Kurtnoise]

The new español.ini for this version:
http://www.cdmontecanal.com/img/spanish.zip
thanks...

In aacPlus v1 I can't select output mode (by default Dual Channel, mode 5)
Indeed... :o So, maybe a new build tonight ?

bsn_raw.dll in bse20050914.7z Dimzon package is not included in BeLight-0[1].22b7_P4.exe. Is necessary?
No, this dll isn't required.

[dwrbudr]

10x for the new version, but it still has obvious bugs.
- the main form resizing bug is not fixed
- another bug situation: Open a file, select Edit -> View BeSweet command-line, move the cursor over file list area... and the command line window dissapears!
- BeLight main window is always positioned somewhere on the right part of the desktop. I think the main form Position property is set to poDesigned and it should not be. It is quite easy to save/load the form position in the registry.

I could help with these bugs, but I don't want to install the whole JVCL for a couple of simple button components. Look at this buttons pack - http://www.leif-bruder.de/e_download.htm#TLbSpeedButton

10x again.

[Kurtnoise]

- the main form resizing bug is not fixed
Did I ? I don't think so...If you know a way, give me some hints. I'll look into it.

- another bug situation: Open a file, select Edit -> View BeSweet command-line, move the cursor over file list area... and the command line window dissapears!
weird... :eek: but I can't reproduce this here. Check also "View or Edit BeSweet Command Line" instead.

- BeLight main window is always positioned somewhere on the right part of the desktop. I think the main form Position property is set to poDesigned and it should not be. It is quite easy to save/load the form position in the registry.
mmh not bug. In the first betas, BeLight was center in the Screen. However, some guys have reported that they have some trouble with it when dualScreens. So, I decided to let the Position in "Design". What do you suggest ?

[tebasuna51]

When create mux files, AACPlus v1 5.1 and Faac need WAV order. And with the new bsn.dll Nero Digital need also WAV order. I don't know when Belight use the old bsn.dll renamed now bsn_NeroAAC.dll (order needed AAC).

Then the "Select the output format" in mux file Wizard must be changed:
AAC -> Old AAC (I don't know if is necessary)
WAV -> WAV - AAC (At last any mention saying this format is necessary to encode aac)

[dwrbudr]

Kurtnoise13: The bug with the "View & Edit BeSweet command-line" hiding is always reproducable. I've done a PC restart too. I'm working on a big project in delphi for a couple of years and the program is used on multi-monitor environment - 4, 8.. or more monitors and it must be poDesigned for the main form. Just do save/restore form position from the registry. Another pain in the a** are the message boxes in 2 or more monitors :D

[tebasuna51]

About bsn.dll

I think you use in BeLight-0.22b7_P4.exe the bsn replacement proposed by Dimzon in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=99730, for me is a good idea don't need remapping channels for Nero Digital, but Dimzon consider this obsolete and is not implemented in new version BeSweetv1.5b31 from DspGuru.

Then BeLight-0.22b7_P4.exe and BeLight-0.22b7.zip + BeSweetv1.5b31 + Dimzon package differs in this file and, at last, in the channel remapping needed by Nero Digital and need to be clarified.

Thanks.

[JasonFly]

Amazing work for this release! I didn't expected to have the dimzon framework support so soon. Belight is really great.

I also have the problem with the "View Command line" option in the Edit menu, but I have spotted that the command line window only disappear when there is a file in the list.

When opening Belight and click on the "View command line" option, the window doesn't disappear.

On the other hand, it seems that the "View or edit command line" checkbox works perfectly

Question: I don't see any preset for FAAC encoder. is this normal?

[Kurtnoise]

When create mux files, AACPlus v1 5.1 and Faac need WAV order. And with the new bsn.dll Nero Digital need also WAV order. I don't know when Belight use the old bsn.dll renamed now bsn_NeroAAC.dll (order needed AAC).

Then the "Select the output format" in mux file Wizard must be changed:
AAC -> Old AAC (I don't know if is necessary)
WAV -> WAV - AAC (At last any mention saying this format is necessary to encode aac)
Good point...:) I'll change that.

[Kurtnoise]

Kurtnoise13: The bug with the "View & Edit BeSweet command-line" hiding is always reproducable. I've done a PC restart too. I'm working on a big project in delphi for a couple of years and the program is used on multi-monitor environment - 4, 8.. or more monitors and it must be poDesigned for the main form. Just do save/restore form position from the registry. Another pain in the a** are the message boxes in 2 or more monitors :D
Try my last build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20050917.zip)...what do you think ?

;)

[Kurtnoise]

About bsn.dll

Then BeLight-0.22b7_P4.exe and BeLight-0.22b7.zip + BeSweetv1.5b31 + Dimzon package differs in this file and, at last, in the channel remapping needed by Nero Digital and need to be clarified.
So, what ? Using my package should be more safer, what do you think ?

[Kurtnoise]

also have the problem with the "View Command line" option in the Edit menu, but I have spotted that the command line window only disappear when there is a file in the list.
It's fixed in my last build. Check the link above.

Question: I don't see any preset for FAAC encoder. is this normal?
It's because I don't know too much things about this encoder. And the others AAC Encoders seem to be much more powerful according to different blind tests.

[tebasuna51]

About bsn.dll
So, what ? Using my package should be more safer, what do you think ?
For me perfect. I love your package always with last versions (libvorbis, lame_enc, ...), but this must be know for the users.

I think a encoder/decoder software must know the standar format of the input/output files. The necessary remapping channels must be transparent to the user.

I don't understand this behavior in Nero Digital, ac3enc, azid.dll (azid1.9.exe have the switch -ol,r,c,lfe,sl,sr but don't work with azid.dll).
AacPlus v1, Faac/Faad works ok.

[ChrisBensch]

Everytime I startup belight, I add a file, then I use one of the ac3->aac presets to set a 5.1 encode. Then i have to go into advances settings and uncheck -lfe and -s stereo. If I bring another window into focus and then bring belight back into focus, those options get rechecked! Am I missing something?

[humax]

theres again the bug that a dll is needed that i dont need

[tebasuna51]

About Faac
It's because I don't know too much things about this encoder. And the others AAC Encoders seem to be much more powerful according to different blind tests.
Faac is a aac LC encoder and don't be used below 48 kbps/channel, for low bitrates is better a aac HE encoder.

Aac HE is more powerful at low bitrates with phone, internet streaming purpose, or for a copy to be played with headphones. But, never in my mind, use aac HE for a backup copy of my favourite music or a multichannel track of a movie to be played in my hi-fi surround system. For bitrates > 48 kbps/channel I recommend aac LC.

Faac only can be compared with Nero Digital LC, but don't lose your time, faac developers work now in Nero ...

[MacAddict]

Everytime I startup belight, I add a file, then I use one of the ac3->aac presets to set a 5.1 encode. Then i have to go into advances settings and uncheck -lfe and -s stereo. If I bring another window into focus and then bring belight back into focus, those options get rechecked! Am I missing something?
I dont think this is a new bug actually. I remember it in the last 2 betas.

Edit- Many thanks to all those involved with this great program.

[drob]

Belight always opens out of screen for me, and doesn't remember its position to the next restart, also it is now too big again for 800x600. Lastly, when i add a few files into the batch window, Belight Marks all the files as done but only actually transcodes the last one.

[Kurtnoise]

Everytime I startup belight, I add a file, then I use one of the ac3->aac presets to set a 5.1 encode. Then i have to go into advances settings and uncheck -lfe and -s stereo. If I bring another window into focus and then bring belight back into focus, those options get rechecked! Am I missing something?
I'm working on it...

[Kurtnoise]

Belight always opens out of screen for me, and doesn't remember its position to the next restart, also it is now too big again for 800x600. Lastly, when i add a few files into the batch window, Belight Marks all the files as done but only actually transcodes the last one.
Try my last build please : http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20050918.zip

[Kurtnoise]

About Faac

Faac is a aac LC encoder and don't be used below 48 kbps/channel, for low bitrates is better a aac HE encoder.

Aac HE is more powerful at low bitrates with phone, internet streaming purpose, or for a copy to be played with headphones. But, never in my mind, use aac HE for a backup copy of my favourite music or a multichannel track of a movie to be played in my hi-fi surround system. For bitrates > 48 kbps/channel I recommend aac LC.
I know all of this of course... ;)

FAAC has some interestings settings, like :
VBR Quality Mode
5.1 Support
Tagging
Different Profiles (LC, Main, LTP, SSR)
...
So we tweak our encodes with these options as well. But what kind of settings for 128kbps, 160kbps, etc... ? I don't know exactly.

but don't lose your time, faac developers work now in Nero ...
I think FAAC project is not dead. By the beauty of Open-Source project, someone with some skills can refresh the faac development... :D There are a lot of examples which can illustrate this. So, who knows....

[Kurtnoise]

theres again the bug that a dll is needed that i dont need
Which one ? I can't see the picture..

[humax]

hi

Attachments Pending Approval
belight.JPG

[humax]

You must Aacenc32.dll and aac.dll in the belight folder to transcode .your file

is written. An i only want mpa to wave . I dont need this dlls for this . Some Releases Ago this bug was fixed.

[humax]

encoding from vorbis to mp3, I add the work to the job list, then i press start and a weird message appears:

http://img98.exs.cx/img98/171/1305.gif

weird because i´m not using aac :?

afterwards the encode its done properly

Like this message is it.

[drob]

Try my last build please : http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20050918.zip
OK position now is center screen, but not saved, the window is still bit bigger then 800x600 resolution, will test batch later on today, thanks Kurt.

[Kurtnoise]

No need to save position coz BeLight might be in screen center as soon as you load it.

>the window is still bit bigger then 800x600 resolution
then or with ??

these lower resolutions pi** me off honestly... :sly:







@Humax : Ok I see...My fault, I forgot something once again. Sorry...There will be a new build today. Just wait & see. Thanks all for your tests and remember, this is a beta version :p

[humax]

Hi
it was no critic . I know that its not easy to make software.
It was only a reference to you.

cu

[drob]

[QUOTE=Kurtnoise13]No need to save position coz BeLight might be in screen center as soon as you load it.

>the window is still bit bigger then 800x600 resolution
then or with ??

these lower resolutions pi** me off honestly... :sly:

Both lol, here is a screencap taken at 800x600:
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/1487/1111qa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Kurtnoise]

lol...I know but you can click on "Start Processing" button, isn't it ? btw, I'm working on it.








[Edit]@dwrbudr or Dimzon or LigH or anything else who have some Delphi skills, if you have some idea about this, I'm open...

[Kurtnoise]

Here is a new build : http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20050919.zip

I would like to have some feedbacks about multi-monitors users. The BeLight positions are saved now. The problem, which is not a real issue in fact, with low resolution is still there.

@tebasuna : I've changed the channels order for AAC Output format. I hope you like it...I decided to let AAC string to avoid some confusion but channels order is the same as WAV files.

@Humax : it should be ok now. ;)

Thanks anyway for your tests.

[Zom-B]

I would like to have some feedbacks about multi-monitors users.
Hi Kurt, great Prog!

Here on my 2 monitors the position is saved allways nicely on each Monitor,
as long as you don't shut the Prog by using the Task Manager second Tab (isn't a problem I think...)

Keep on the GREAT work! ;)

[ron spencer]

link for latest build is dead?

[ron spencer]

never mind...worked now

[ron spencer]

about says beta 8...this beta 8?

nice prog...suggestion if I may...if you have need for daily build can you put build # in about box? do not mean to be nit-picky...hey I can't program anything!!!! Just a suggestion!!! thanks as always

[Kurtnoise]

beta 8 coz I thought last night that I released a new build. But I just discovered that multichannel winamp encoder is limited concerning higher bitrates. That's why I would like to add 2/3 minor things before to release officially a new beta...

In addition, most of my daily builds are not available. And by looking the properties of the exe file, you can see the date. :)

[jarthel]

I can't enter a negative delay for the AC3 tab beta7 and the latest sept-19 daily build.. I can with .21.

[jarthel]

Also I notice that the input and output filenames are the same for the AC3 tab. So when I pressed "start", my original ac3's filesize was truncated to 0 bytes.

[Kurtnoise]

I can't enter a negative delay for the AC3 tab beta7 and the latest sept-19 daily build.. I can with .21.
Indeed...it's fixed now. :)

[Kurtnoise]

Also I notice that the input and output filenames are the same for the AC3 tab.
No true with the last daily builds...Your output file name must be xxxx_n.ac3 with 1 <n<1000...;)

[Kurtnoise]

Ok...so, the beta 8 is out (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=168#r168). This is mainly a bugs fix release. I'm working on the new things now...

changelog
- Fix negative delay insertion.
- Fix Enabling/Disabling Azid Options for 5.1 choices.
- Fix Multiple Files processing.
- Fix Engines Frames choice for AAC Presets.
- Fix BeLight Position/Forms Resizing.
- Fix disabling BeSweet Command Line Window.
- Update PreGain/PostGain processing.
- Update Bitrate Range for WinAmp multichannel Encoding.
- Update AAC Output Channels Order for Mux file Wizard.
- Update Spanish Language.
- Update several internal operations.
- Update Nero dlls missing Message.

[ron spencer]

just wanted to say thanks again....this really is a USEFUL app....let's face it, there are not that many out there

[dimzon]

Kurtnoise13
Can you provide installer-free binaries?

[Kurtnoise]

Kurtnoise13
Can you provide installer-free binaries?
Sorry...I don't understand your request. :confused: You mean nsi file ?

[drob]

Sorry...I don't understand your request. :confused: You mean nsi file ?
He means zipped or rar archive.

[Kurtnoise]

There is already a zip archive on CC.org. But for BeLight.exe only...

[CiNcH]

@ Kurt,

enc_aacplus.dll outputs raw aac, not wrapped into mp4 container... so "wrong" commandline is being generated by BeLight.

[CiNcH]

A more precise report...

I used FAAC with enabled mp4 wrapping before, afterwards I switched to WinAmp and output extension did not change to aac.


I have experienced such behaviour a time ago when switching stereo/5.1 of a codec where azid settings did not change, sorry for not being more precise here...

[dimzon]

There is already a zip archive on CC.org. But for BeLight.exe only...
:thanks:

[dimzon]

Kurtnoise13
I'm still working on my bse_* plugins.
the latest news are:
no more separate bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll for 5.1 encoding - merged into bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll
bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll now produce AAC with MPEG4 ADTS header (Nic's AACPatch merged into bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll) by default
bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll renamed to bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll
no more enhAacPlusEnc.exe - reference encoder code merged directly into bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll
bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll now with 5.1 encoding ( :devil: still produce unplayable 5.1 AAC yet)

near future plans:
working 5.1 encoding using reference 3GPP encoder implemented in bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll (maybe this month? I hope...)
WavPack encoding plugin (maybe?)

far future plans:
FAAC++ (FAACPlusPlus) - a new FAAC branch, adding SBR and PS encoding capabilites into FAAC + improving psychoaccoustic model :) Planed start date - November-December 2005

I'm leaning AAC specification atm.

[vito9]

Hi there

I have a bug which I think must be related to my local setup. My laptop has a native resolution of 1400x1050 and when I load belight unfortunately I have no encode button and many features of the UI are outside its containing window?

I have posted an image to imageshack:
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2978/besweetbeta87qw.jpg

I assume this is on my end - my setup is dell latitude d610 win xp sp2, ATI MOBILITY RADEON X300 graphic card.

I hope someone might b able to help me fix this as I use besweet often and belight seems like a great UI.

best rgds and thanks for any help in advance

Vito9

[Kurtnoise]

I used FAAC with enabled mp4 wrapping before, afterwards I switched to WinAmp and output extension did not change to aac.
erff...yes. I'll fix that.


I have a bug which I think must be related to my local setup. My laptop has a native resolution of 1400x1050 and when I load belight unfortunately I have no encode button and many features of the UI are outside its containing window?
I think it's caused by your fontsize which is too large...try to change this in the properties (right click on your desktop --> Settings tab and Advanced button ...or something like that). I'll try to fix this issue.

Thanks.


@Dimzon : sounds good to me... :D

[cw_uk]

There still seems to be a bug where on first starting the program it ignores which OTA Gain is actually set and uses hybrid gain.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6842/hybridgain4hl.th.jpg (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hybridgain4hl.jpg)

[boombastic]

I got this little problem:
1)i select two or more avi files to convert their audio to .mp2

2) select the mp2 DVD preset and click start

3) the prograssive bar go immediately to the extreme right but keep on displaying 0%

4)anyway the conversion proceed in the right way and when the log says that the process is complete the .mp2 file is there where i want to be.
So the conversion is ok but the progressive bar not!

[Kurtnoise]

@boombastic : avi as input file is not supported in the 0.22 branch for the moment...So, uses 0.21 instead.

@cw_uk : thanks...it's fixed now.

[Kurtnoise]

@CinCH, @cw_uk, @vito9 : could you try this build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20052309.zip) and tell me if all it's ok.

@all : I added some goodies in this daily build...I hope you like them. ;)

[CiNcH]

@CinCH, @cw_uk, @vito9 : could you try this build and tell me if all it's ok.

Hmmm, still same problem...

FAAC with "Wrap aac stream in mp4" enabled -> switch to WinAmp -> output extension remains *.mp4 (should be *.aac)

[Kurtnoise]

Ok, so try this one (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20052309.zip). It should be ok now...:)

[cw_uk]

Im just looking now seems to be nice and stable, i dont have anything to test it with just now but i will have later today will give ya a update then. :)

[Palikrovol]

Hello.

When i open BeLight and see the log ('options -> view -> log'), here is the result


16:14:18 BeLight version 0.2.2.0 beta 8 @09/23/2005 started !
16:14:18 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (version 5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
16:14:18 Checking libraries for BeSweet...
16:14:18 libvorbis.dll missing !!!
16:14:18 bsn_NeroAAC.dll missing !!!


Libvorbis.dll is in the same directory where BeLight and BeSweet are (so the warning message is wrong).

About 'bsn' the warning is correct i have not renamed 'bsn.dll', but i thought that with besweet 1.5b31 it was not necesary to do it. Anyway when I encode a mp3 into a HE-AAC with Nero digital encoder it works perfectly with -bsn parameter.

BTW good work abd thanks a lot Kurt.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

When i open BeLight and see the log ('options -> view -> log'), here is the result


16:14:18 BeLight version 0.2.2.0 beta 8 @09/23/2005 started !
16:14:18 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (version 5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
16:14:18 Checking libraries for BeSweet...
16:14:18 libvorbis.dll missing !!!
16:14:18 bsn_NeroAAC.dll missing !!!


Libvorbis.dll is in the same directory where BeLight and BeSweet are (so the warning message is wrong).
I know why... ;) I assume you don't have vorbisfile.dll, vorbisenc.dll, etc in your folder, isn't it ? I just need to change some "and" by "or" in the code probably. Thanks for the tips.

About 'bsn' the warning is correct i have not renamed 'bsn.dll', but i thought that with besweet 1.5b31 it was not necesary to do it. Anyway when I encode a mp3 into a HE-AAC with Nero digital encoder it works perfectly with -bsn parameter.
yes, it works perfectly if you don't use Dimzon Framework (aka Faac, Winamp, or 3gp encoders).

[Palikrovol]

Hi,


I know why... ;) I assume you don't have vorbisfile.dll, vorbisenc.dll, etc in your folder, isn't it ? I just need to change some "and" by "or" in the code probably. Thanks for the tips.


Ok thanks
Yes i'm using only libvorbis.dll.


yes, it works perfectly if you don't use Dimzon Framework (aka Faac, Winamp, or 3gp encoders).

I can use both Nero Digital and Dimzon Framework without renameing.
I use -bsn for "Nero Digital" and -dimzon for "Dimzon Framework". BeLight works perfectly with both enconders (parameters) without renameing.

[cw_uk]

seem to work very well have used it on several ac3 -> mp2 tracks without a hitch. :)

[nexus]

Hi, editing command line still doesn't work, right? It would be nice if you fix it. :)

[Kurtnoise]

Libvorbis.dll is in the same directory where BeLight and BeSweet are (so the warning message is wrong).
fixed...

editing command line still doesn't work, right? It would be nice if you fix it.
done...:)




I put the daily builds on CC.org (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=175#r175) now...

[nexus]

I put the daily builds on CC.org (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=175#r175) now...Great! (You should name the files this way: ...beta_<year><month><day>.zip)

[MacAddict]

Thanks again for all the constant effort on this great application!

Is it possible to have BeLight warn you before overwriting a file? Maybe a better idea could be that BeLight just appends a "1" to the end of the filename. Also, maybe it's just me but my Vorbis audio volume is very low compared to AAC using the same gain settings for some reason.

[Kurtnoise]

You should name the files this way: ...beta_<year><month><day>.zip
If you translate English to Deutsh lang file for me maybe... :D


/me just kidding..:)


Is it possible to have BeLight warn you before overwriting a file? Maybe a better idea could be that BeLight just appends a "1" to the end of the filename.
This is exactly what BeLight does...;) It adds _1 in your output filename.


Also, maybe it's just me but my Vorbis audio volume is very low compared to AAC using the same gain settings for some reason
Maybe a decoder problem ??

[nexus]

If you translate English to Deutsh lang file for me maybe... :D


/me just kidding..:)Just send it to me and I'll have a look at it ;)

The advantage would be that it's correctly sorted in file explorers.

[Kurtnoise]

This file is already into lang folder.

[dwrbudr]

@Kurtnoise13: If it is not a problem, could you change all comboboxes' Style property to csDropDownList and you can get rid of JVCL by simply using lbButtons I've suggested. I suppose the final EXE will be smaller ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Ok. I just downloaded the package but fyi the JVCL package isn't used anymore...

[dwrbudr]

@Kurtnoise13: Since when? I grabbed the source from the CVS a week ago and it requires JVCL for some kind of buttons. I'll try again tomorrow.

[Kurtnoise]

Since beta 8... :D

[LoRd_MuldeR]

I like BeLight very much. Good work!
What I like most is the ability to use Winamp's aacPlus-Enc :)

In the current Beta I found two problems so far:

1. The bitrate-selector for AAC (Encoder Engine = Winamp) is not very convenient! Could you add a better (more precise) way to select the bitrate? I would perfer a simple drop-down menu, but something like the quality-selector on the VORBIS tab would be nice too...

2. I think the drop-down menu's shuld be read-only. At the moment I can focus one of them and type complete crap into it. IMO the value for "TComboBox.Style" should be "csDropDownList" instead of "csDropDown". I'm a Delphi guy :D I got now idea how it is called in other languages...

[LoRd_MuldeR]

This is exactly what BeLight does...;) It adds _1 in your output filename.

Sorry, it does not! It just overwrites the existing file without warning. I've tested that with the latest build (20052309). IMO this should be changed...

BTW: Would be nice to be able to select the output folder :cool:

[Kurtnoise]

In the current Beta I found two problems so far:
aaaaaaaa it's you that posted these things on Cc.ORG at the wrong place... :devil: Once again, it's NOT problems...

1. The bitrate-selector for AAC (Encoder Engine = Winamp) is not very convenient! Could you add a better (more precise) way to select the bitrate? I would perfer a simple drop-down menu, but something like the quality-selector on the VORBIS tab would be nice too...
No, I won't add this thing...I can add an edit area for sure but that's all.

2. I think the drop-down menu's shuld be read-only. At the moment I can focus one of them and type complete crap into it.
Well...do you want my feelings about this ? It's completely useless. A drop-down list is made to select something not just to see or to read a value. Period.

[Kurtnoise]

Sorry, it does not! It just overwrites the existing file without warning. I've tested that with the latest build (20052309). IMO this should be changed...
It works when we exit/reload the app. It doesn't works properly when we keep BeLight open... Thanks for the bugreport. I'll fixt it.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

aaaaaaaa it's you that posted these things on Cc.ORG at the wrong place... :devil: Once again, it's NOT problems...

Please look at this screenshot, that's not very precise, eh? The slider is left from the 48kbps Label's center, but the value is 49kbps. Furthermore the only way to check the exact value us this nasty Hint message. Wouldn't it be possible make it similar to the VORBIS tab ???

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6484/belight1yq.gif

[Kurtnoise]

It's because you maximize the form. If you keep normal form, you have the right value. Once again it's not an issue.

[dwrbudr]

@Kurtnoise13: I can't understand you about the comboboxes style. I also think that they should be csDropDownList, except the SSRC Output Sampling Rate. And the currently selected AAC bitrate in WinAMP encoder engine you can show in the Bitrate Management groupbox caption. I've tried to compile BeLight, but had to spend some time finding the delphi components. TjvSpeedButton from JVCL is still there.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

@Kurtnoise13: I can't understand you about the comboboxes style. I also think that they should be csDropDownList, except the SSRC Output Sampling Rate.

Correct, but it seems he doesn't want to understand :rolleyes:

Nevertheless it's just a disfigurement. If this won't be fixed, we must except it as a quirk of BeLight ^^

And the currently selected AAC bitrate in WinAMP encoder engine you can show in the Bitrate Management groupbox caption.

Good idea!

[LoRd_MuldeR]

It's because you maximize the form. If you keep normal form, you have the right value. Once again it's not an issue.

If maximizing the window makes the interface look incorrect, this should be fixed instead of a workaround like "don't maximize the window!".

What about a way to specify the output folder?

[Immi]

Hi Kurt,

I also join to LoRd_MuldeR in this issue (see my private mail 2 weeks ago).
Whatever, you are the coder, the work is yours.

Secondly you can find the updated Hungarian lang file:
http://sr1.mytempdir.com/174957
One comment: The text labels of new AAC engines are not added.
Consequently can not be translated.

BR, Immi

PS.: Would you be so kind to add a line for the translators in the ABOUT window. This will inspire the translators. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

I can't understand you about the comboboxes style. I also think that they should be csDropDownList, except the SSRC Output Sampling Rate.
guys, I think you misunderstood what I said (maybe my fault). I never said that comboboxes style must be unchanged. I said, I don't want to have a combobox value for the bitrate management concerning WinAmp encoder. The bitrate trackbar is very clear and very useful for newbies. We can add an edit component or something like that for sure. That's all. I hope it's more clear now ?

And the currently selected AAC bitrate in WinAMP encoder engine you can show in the Bitrate Management groupbox caption.
well..yes. After all. ;)

I've tried to compile BeLight, but had to spend some time finding the delphi components. TjvSpeedButton from JVCL is still there.
Indeed... :o I forgot a button. Check out the cvs in a couple of hours. I'll change that.

[Kurtnoise]

Correct, but it seems he doesn't want to understand :rolleyes:

Nevertheless it's just a disfigurement. If this won't be fixed, we must except it as a quirk of BeLight ^^
holy craps... :rolleyes:

[Kurtnoise]

you can find the updated Hungarian lang file:
http://sr1.mytempdir.com/174957
Thanks...

One comment: The text labels of new AAC engines are not added.
Consequently can not be translated.
I know...I was too lazy to add the lines but it's expected. :)

PS.: Would you be so kind to add a line for the translators in the ABOUT window. This will inspire the translators. ;)
Good idea...For the moment, you can add what you want after my nickname in the lang file. (ex....Kurtnoise | Hungarian translator : Immi )





And once again for the developpers, there is a forum here (http://corecodec.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=128) in CC.org. I prefer to discuss BeLight dev in CC.org because this thread is very huge I think. And It's more clearly for all...(you just need to register and open a new thread). Thanks...

[CWR03]

I've never used BeSweet before, nor had I ever tried to transcode an AC3 (and maybe I shouldn't), but I have made numerous attempts to reduce the bitrate of a 5.1 AC3 file with BeLight, and each time I end up with a file that sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks talking through a fan in a tunnel. Any suggestions?

[dimzon]

I've never used BeSweet before, nor had I ever tried to transcode an AC3 (and maybe I shouldn't), but I have made numerous attempts to reduce the bitrate of a 5.1 AC3 file with BeLight, and each time I end up with a file that sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks talking through a fan in a tunnel. Any suggestions?
This is BeSweet issue (not BeLight issue)
BeSweet AC3 encoder is for test puposes only! It produce too loud sound
:readfaq: :readguid:

[jellysandwich]

Edit: Nm, I got it working.

js

[fight2win]

hi kurt,
i have just started using belight, and let me say it rocks! i have a small questions for u, i would appreciate if u could help me:

i have a dvd movie that i have ripped on my hdd, it has 2 audio/ac3 tracks, 1st is 5.1 surround, and 2nd is dolby surround 2 channel. i do not have a surround sound setup, so i want to encode these tracks to stereo! which one should i use, the first 5.1 one, or the second 2-channel one! also, which aac encoding type should i use, faac,nd,3gp or winamp, and with what recommended bitrates, and for 2-channel ac3 to stereo conversion, should i use stereo mode option enabled or dpl2, should i use rear channel filtering, should i use dialog normalization reduction? pls help me!

Thanks!

[Kurtnoise]

i have a dvd movie that i have ripped on my hdd, it has 2 audio/ac3 tracks, 1st is 5.1 surround, and 2nd is dolby surround 2 channel. i do not have a surround sound setup, so i want to encode these tracks to stereo! which one should i use, the first 5.1 one, or the second 2-channel one!
The second (stereo stream).

also, which aac encoding type should i use, faac,nd,3gp or winamp, and with what recommended bitrates,
Well...it's more difficult. I need to have more infos. What size/target bitrate would you like to have for your backup ?

and for 2-channel ac3 to stereo conversion, should i use stereo mode option enabled or dpl2
stereo

should i use rear channel filtering
no

should i use dialog normalization reduction?
yes

[fight2win]

thanks for the replies, and as for the aac encoding engine, i would like to have good quality, and size options are not mucho of a barrier, i would like to have good aac quality with properly audible voice and other effects! many say nd is best, but now some say winamp is better, i used to do 192 kbps mp3/vorbis encoding,so would 192 kbps lc aac would be good?it's a 192 kbps ac3 2-ch stream with a delay of 2 ms! pls give recommendations for converting 2-ch ac3 to stereo aac!one more thing, do i need to tick "Output Mode" in azid settings? i am very thankful for ur kind replies, and looking forward to more!
Thanks!

[tebasuna51]

..., and size options are not mucho of a barrier, i would like to have good aac quality with properly audible voice and other effects! many say nd is best, but now some say winamp is better, i used to do 192 kbps mp3/vorbis encoding,so would 192 kbps lc aac would be good?it's a 192 kbps ac3 2-ch stream with a delay of 2 ms! pls give recommendations for converting 2-ch ac3 to stereo aac!
For high quality (high bitrate) always is better LC-AAC (Nero), but is senseless transcode (always lose quality) a 192 kbps ac3 2-ch to 192 kbps mp3/vorbis/aac. Keep your original ac3 soundtrack.
If you have problem about the dialog volume ("with properly audible voice and other effects") use a player with AC3/ffdshow filter and use Dynamic Range Compression, Mixer, Channels Volume, ...(these last for ac3 5.1)
...one more thing, do i need to tick "Output Mode" in azid settings?
For a 2-ch conversion "Output Mode" is ignored (if is not set to "Mono" of course)

[fight2win]

actually i had x264 mp4 video, and wanted to encode ac3 to aac and then mux both audio and video in mp4 container!

[Kurtnoise]

In the AAC Presets, try ND-->LC--> VBR -- Internet. If you are ok with this quality keep your file otherwhise increase your preset (vbr_streaming or higher).

[fight2win]

ok , i'll try that!

[jellysandwich]

Bug?

1) Add files.
2) Disable "LFE to LR Channels" in advanced settings.
3) Tick the View or Edit BeSweet Command Line ("-L -3db" shouldn't be there).
4) Move your mouse cursor into the file list box.

"-L -3db" will appear in the command line box. It doesn't go away until you go back into advanced settings and hit ok.

I'm encoding to ogg using version 0.2.2.0 beta8.

js

[cw_uk]

I've never used BeSweet before, nor had I ever tried to transcode an AC3 (and maybe I shouldn't), but I have made numerous attempts to reduce the bitrate of a 5.1 AC3 file with BeLight, and each time I end up with a file that sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks talking through a fan in a tunnel. Any suggestions?

Thats due to having "LFE to LR Channels" ticked in advanced options should really deselect itsself when creating 5.1

[Kurtnoise]

Bug?

1) Add files.
2) Disable "LFE to LR Channels" in advanced settings.
3) Tick the View or Edit BeSweet Command Line ("-L -3db" shouldn't be there).
4) Move your mouse cursor into the file list box.

"-L -3db" will appear in the command line box. It doesn't go away until you go back into advanced settings and hit ok.

I'm encoding to ogg using version 0.2.2.0 beta8.

If your input file is ac3 and you choose a stereo output channels, it's completely normal. :) btw, I'll check this as soon as I'm back home.

[Kurtnoise]

Thats due to having "LFE to LR Channels" ticked in advanced options should really deselect itsself when creating 5.1
when we choose 5.1 as output channels, this option is disable.

[jellysandwich]

If your input file is ac3 and you choose a stereo output channels, it's completely normal. :) btw, I'll check this as soon as I'm back home.

Yep, I was using ac3 and outputting to stereo. But why is it like this? I'm wondering because this guide (http://www.doom9.org/belight-advancedsettings.htm) says to deactivate "LFE to LR Channels" for 2 channel input sources, and it gets bothersome when you're trying to batch encode.

js

[tebasuna51]

Yep, I was using ac3 and outputting to stereo. But why is it like this? I'm wondering because this guide (http://www.doom9.org/belight-advancedsettings.htm) says to deactivate "LFE to LR Channels" for 2 channel input sources, and it gets bothersome when you're trying to batch encode.
Don't worry about this. With 2.0 channel input sources the "-L -3db" are ignored because don't exist LFE channel, the same for "Output Mode" <> "mono".

[spahar]

First of all, congratulations for the creation of belight, without it i wouldn;t be able to use the besweet.

I have a problem and i need your help.

I have an AC3 5.1ch (448 kbps, 23.976 fps) audio stream.

I want to do 2 things.

FIRST, I want to get an AC3 5.1ch (25.000 fps) audio stream
SECOND, I want also to have an AC3 2.1ch (25.000)

The problem is that belight let me do only one conversion ( ac3 to wav (16bit, stereo)), whenever i tried to get a ac3 , 5.1ch or 2.1ch, the belight crashed after the first pass reached 100%, a c++ window appears and says something about abnormal termination. Why is this happening??

I have the latest beta of besweet and belight beta8.

Please, someone respond.

[jellysandwich]

Don't worry about this. With 2.0 channel input sources the "-L -3db" are ignored because don't exist LFE channel, the same for "Output Mode" <> "mono".

Ah, ok. That makes things convenient then, thanks.

js

[rotflol]

Hi,

So I was trying to encode a wav into a speex file. Here's what I got.

Logging start : 10/05/05 , 19:11:14.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\scislefajne\sf1a.wav -output E:\scislefajne\sf1a.spx -logfile E:\scislefajne\sf1a_1.log ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Speex.dll --quality 1 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\scislefajne\sf1a.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\scislefajne\sf1a.spx
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 10/05/05 , 19:11:14.


This is from BeLight beta 8, full package. I suppose this is more of a BeSweet problem, but still, what can I do about it?

[Kurtnoise]

speex plugin doesn't work with a sampling-rate > @32KHz. So, try to resample your file...

[rotflol]

It's 22 kHz. :)

[spahar]

First of all, congratulations for the creation of belight, without it i wouldn;t be able to use the besweet.

I have a problem and i need your help.

I have an AC3 5.1ch (448 kbps, 23.976 fps) audio stream.

I want to do 2 things.

FIRST, I want to get an AC3 5.1ch (25.000 fps) audio stream
SECOND, I want also to have an AC3 2.1ch (25.000)

The problem is that belight let me do only one conversion ( ac3 to wav (16bit, stereo)), whenever i tried to get a ac3 , 5.1ch or 2.1ch, the belight crashed after the first pass reached 100%, a c++ window appears and says something about abnormal termination. Why is this happening??

I have the latest beta of besweet and belight beta8.

Please, someone respond.

anyone please

[tebasuna51]

FIRST, I want to get an AC3 5.1ch (25.000 fps) audio stream
Don't exist a ac3 with 23.976 fps or 25 fps, a 48 KHz ac3 have 31.25 fps, a 44.1 KHz ac3 have 28.73 fps.
If you have a movie with 23.976 fps video you need change only the video to 25 fps, the soundtrack don't need be changed, is the same for NTSC or PAL system.

For a .avi movie you can use VirtualDub -> Video menu -> Frame Rate -> Frame rate conversion -> Convert to fps: 25.

If you use VirtualDub -> Video menu -> Frame Rate -> Source rate adjustament -> Change to 25 fps, the video play more quickly and the duration don't match with audio.
Only with this second, not recommended, method you need stretch the audio
I think BeSweet-Soundtouch only work with stereo audio, then you need convert the 5.1 ac3 to 6 mono wav, stretch each mono wav with a audio editor, make a mux file and reencode to ac3.
Remember ac3enc have problems with low output volume.
SECOND, I want also to have an AC3 2.1ch (25.000)
Another BeSweet-ac3enc problem: only work for stereo or 5.1. To do a 2.1 ac3 you need a commercial encoder or Sonic Foundry Soft Encode.
And I don't understand why you need a 2.1 ac3, all audio equipments can redirect low frequencies to subwoofer, you can use a 2.0 without great difference.

[Kurtnoise]

It's 22 kHz. :)
In fact, it works *only* with 32000/16000/8000 Hz... :rolleyes: So, it could be a plugin restriction.

[Caroliano]

I'm using the 0.22 beta 8 version and I have some complains:

The "qualidade" (quality) word of portuguese translation don't fit in it's space. This seen to be the only word in all languages that has this problem. You can fix it in someway? At least in MP3 tab for example, where space is not an issue, but it is cuted in some way.

In ogg, the nominal bitrate is not corrected when I change the Sampling rate.

In Mp3 tab, would be good if it show the exact bitrate of a certain point, in the same way as in winamp' AAC encoder "tab". And why I can't set 120kbps for example in Mp3's CBR mode? Is CBR mode more limited than ABR mode?

In Mp2 tab, in the right side of "encoding mode", the box seens to be a little cuted.

And some feature requests/sugestions:
When you click in the slide bar, outside the "pointer" (I don't know I call it), would be good if the pointer advances more, to the next defaut bitrate for example (96,112,128,160, and so on). This would economize a lot of time for me.

Make the queue space resizeable. That way I don't need to use the scroll bar when I'm in 800x600 resolution mode. Also, it can remember the last place and size it was when closed, because it is annoying have to drag it from the right boton of the screen every time I open it.

Make it able to receive correctly the "open with" calls. When I select an .wav file to be opened always by Belight when I double click it for example, I want to Belight open with this .wav file already in the queue, but it open w/o nothing.

Besides that, incredible app Kurtnoise!!! :thanks:

[Kurtnoise]

The "qualidade" (quality) word of portuguese translation don't fit in it's space. This seen to be the only word in all languages that has this problem. You can fix it in someway?
I see...yes for sure.

In ogg, the nominal bitrate is not corrected when I change the Sampling rate.
First, Ogg IS a container. Second, nominal bitrate is completely different of the Sampling-Rate. There is no interaction between these 2 settings.

In Mp3 tab, would be good if it show the exact bitrate of a certain point, in the same way as in winamp' AAC encoder "tab".
maybe yes, maybe no...:)

And why I can't set 120kbps for example in Mp3's CBR mode? Is CBR mode more limited than ABR mode?
BeSweet restriction if I remember correctly...



When you click in the slide bar, outside the "pointer" (I don't know I call it), would be good if the pointer advances more, to the next defaut bitrate for example (96,112,128,160, and so on). This would economize a lot of time for me.
For what kind of output format ?

Make the queue space resizeable. That way I don't need to use the scroll bar when I'm in 800x600 resolution mode. Also, it can remember the last place and size it was when closed, because it is annoying have to drag it from the right boton of the screen every time I open it.
it was already in my to-do list. ;)

Make it able to receive correctly the "open with" calls. When I select an .wav file to be opened always by Belight when I double click it for example, I want to Belight open with this .wav file already in the queue, but it open w/o nothing.
ok...good idea.

[Caroliano]

First, Ogg IS a container. Second, nominal bitrate is completely different of the Sampling-Rate. There is no interaction between these 2 settings.
Oops, I meant Vorbis. And at least in case of Vorbis quality setings, the sampling rate counts. At 48KHz the average bitrate of q-2 is 32kbps, at 8KHz the average bitrate is 10kbps, a big diference. See OggDropXpd for precise nominal bitrates for each sample rate.
For what kind of output format ?
I only see it in Mp2 and AC3 tabs. So, for all others, excluding WAV of course.

Regards.

[ricknks2000]

I am new to belight and want to use o.21 for i need to go from vob-wav. i have been thru this forum and i have seen questions like mine but no answer so please forgive a novice. when i open belight the screen is too large and the bottom third is cut off from my use. what can i do please,and thank you for what i hope to be a great tool. rick

[wdmalik]

can you get the parameters info displayed ..
like follwoing .... it can be optional

[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BOOST ------
[00:00:00:000] | Algorithm by : Dg
[00:00:00:000] | Boost Factor : 4.0
[00:00:00:000] | Limit Factor : 0.95
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (OLD)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 2
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

when i open belight the screen is too large and the bottom third is cut off from my use. what can i do please,and thank you for what i hope to be a great tool. rick
This issue has been resolved in the 0.22 branch which don't have vob support yet... :o So, the best thing for you could be to extract ac3 streams and use BeLight to transcode them or try with an other tool.

[Kurtnoise]

can you get the parameters info displayed ..
like follwoing .... it can be optional
by choosing the output logfile option, you can have these infos. :)

[wdmalik]

not logfile, i mean while the processing is been done .. :)

[Caroliano]

I had an error when tried to transcode an 6ch 48KHz AC3 stream to an 6ch Vorbis. I even tried to use the "output sampling rate" option, but in the log it continue reporting the same error.

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Jul 9 2005 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).
Manual Dynamic-Compression algorithm by LigH (author of WaveBooster).

Logging start : 10/09/05 , 21:54:59.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\Testes\Azumanga\japa.ac3 -output E:\Testes\Azumanga\japa.ogg -logfile E:\Testes\Azumanga\japa.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -ogg( -q -0.150 -6ch 1 ) -boost( /b=3 /l=0.95 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\Testes\Azumanga\japa.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\Testes\Azumanga\japa.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
Error 68: 6chogg only works with 48khz streams.
Gain & Dynamic Compression should be set against azid.

Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 10/09/05 , 21:54:59.

[Kurtnoise]

not logfile, i mean while the processing is been done .. :)
It's possible of course but in this case we can't have/save logfile... :rolleyes:


@Caroliano : check out the BeSweet FAQ.

[drob]

Kurt still problems with batch processing, when you throw a couple of files, BeLight marks all the job as done but actually process only the last file.

[Kurtnoise]

I know and I'm busy with my real life now. I hope to fix this this week-end.

[drob]

real life always comes first, thanks for help.

[suspiciousBob]

Will the mp3 area of BeLite be changed for LAME 3.97 and the new preferred switches as documented here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28124)?
BTW great job on this project fella.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

BeLight uses already lame_enc.dll from 3.97 beta version if you use the whole package you know...;) Concerning the settings, I already managed these recommendations. If you look the command line, you can see that BeLight uses the recommended settings most of the time. However, there are some addition in Quality Mode caused by BeSweet restriction.

The only point which must be checked today is the MP3 presets for BeLight. Of course, I'll look into this. :)

[Immi]

Hi,

BeLight uses already lame_enc.dll from 3.97 beta version if you use the whole package you know...;)

Hi Kurt,

together with WMP10 (only Win XP users) everybody get the Fraunhofer MPEG Layer-3 Audio Codec Professional (it is ACM codec located at %windir%\sytem32\l3codecp.acm after installing WMP10).
Maybe ( :stupid: I am not an programming expert) using of this codec also can be implemented into Besweet/Belight.
BR, Immi

Off topic PS:
Tip: Using of prof codec in any encoding programs (ie. EAC, Vdub etc.) apply the following registry modification

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32]
"msacm.l3acm"="C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\l3codecp.acm"

[Kurtnoise]

mmmh, it's possible I think. There is a tool which works with acm filters. But I'm pretty sure that Lame is probably more interesting than the Fhg codec. :) Do you perform some tests with this codec ?


Edit : here is the tool (http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/mysoftwares/tc_3.html).

[Immi]

mmmh, it's possible I think. There is a tool which works with acm filters. But I'm pretty sure that Lame is probably more interesting than the Fhg codec. :) Do you perform some tests with this codec ?


Edit : here is the tool (http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/mysoftwares/tc_3.html).

Hi,

I look the net for this info and generally it is said that the FHF codec quite old and outdated.

At the weekend I try to check this.

The method:
So I am unable to hear any difference by my ears, consequently I had to compare the encodings sample by sample.
Source: ripped (EAC) typical music (with vocal+drums+hiss) PCMwav
Encodings: EAC wav encoding funciton using
- FraunhoferACM CBR 80 mono
- LameACM CBR 80 mono
- FraunhoferACM CBR 128
- LameACM CBR 128
- FraunhoferACM CBR 320
- LameACM CBR 320
Additionally Besweet encoding using
- Lame.dll CBR 80 mono
- Lame.dll CBR 128
- Lame.dll CBR 320

To get the differences between the original and the encoded files inverted mixing was applied (mix the encoded file into the original wav inverted).
This mixing was checked, because when the original wav is invert mixed into itself I get pure flatline(silence) as result.

Now the tricky part. To get proper difference file, the sample accurate timing is needed. Problem is that the encoding process insert silence in the begining of the audio file. So I "draw" a timer signal in the original then always cut out the not necessary silences to get the sample accurate match of original and encoded file.

For the attachments please download
http://www.mytempdir.com/211968

Attachment: the original timer signal and the timer after encoding
original - 080lame compare.jpg
Attachment: Timer signal section after application of inverted-mixing
original - 080lame difference.jpg

Results:
Codec - Encoding time - Encoded audio file size
difference file in the attachment

80kbs mono:
FHF ACM 0:19 2654892 bytes
difference original-080fhf.jpg
Lame ACM 0:12 2655574 bytes
difference original-080lame.jpg
Lame dll 0:10 2657043 bytes
difference original-080lamedll.jpg

128kbs:
FHF ACM 0:34 4241724 bytes
difference original-128fhf.jpg
Lame ACM 0:23 4249260 bytes
difference original-128lame.jpg
Lame dll 0:21 4251190 bytes
difference original-128lamedll.jpg

320 kbs:
FHF ACM 0:15 10618524 bytes
difference original-320fhf.jpg
Lame ACM 0:19 10615392 bytes
difference original-320lame.jpg
Lame dll 0:19 10627785 bytes
difference original-320lamedll.jpg

"Additional test" VBR-insane:
lame dll 0:19 8246932 bytes
difference original-vbr-insane-lamedll.jpg

Now you can see the the lost info-data is more in the Fraunhofer encoded files. Furthermore Fraunhofer only support CBR encodings.

So you are right: Lame is probably more interesting than the Fhg codec

BR, Imre

PS.: It was inresting to listen the difference file. You can clearly hear the lost audio data. It is mainly the high freqency and slighly the mid freqency part of the audio.

[Kurtnoise]

Kurt still problems with batch processing, when you throw a couple of files, BeLight marks all the job as done but actually process only the last file.
fixed...:)

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=175#r175

[Kurtnoise]

At 48KHz the average bitrate of q-2 is 32kbps, at 8KHz the average bitrate is 10kbps, a big diference. See OggDropXpd for precise nominal bitrates for each sample rate.
Which version did you have ? coz I don't see any changes when I choose the Sampling Rate...

And bear in mind that nominal bitrate and average bitrate are 2 concepts completely different.

[dwrbudr]

@Kurt: You should again look at the files list processing, cause it is broken again in the last daily build.

Example:

1. File - Open - 1.mp3 - View BeSweet Command

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\Temp\2\1.mp3" -output "C:\Temp\2\1.aac" -logfile "C:\Temp\2\1.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll -cbr 32 -mode 1 -v 2 ) -ota( -hybridgain )

2. Popup menu - Clear List

3. File - Open - 2.mp3 - View BeSweet Command

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\Temp\2\1.mp3" -output "C:\Temp\2\1.aac" -logfile "C:\Temp\2\1.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll -cbr 32 -mode 1 -v 2 ) -ota( -hybridgain )

See - in the list is 2.mp3, but in BeSweet CMD - 1.mp3 :eek:

[Kurtnoise]

Indeed...shame on me. :o

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=175#r175

[Caroliano]

Which version did you have ? coz I don't see any changes when I choose the Sampling Rate...
You must close the configuration window for it update the values... When you open again the scale will be changed.

[humax]

when i took 2 files in List to do .

First file gets skipped and second will be encoded.

First 1 comes message ready after 1 second and second file is encoding right. A NEW or KNOWN Bug ??

cu

[Kurtnoise]

works fine here with the last daily build...

@Caroliano : ok...thanks.

[humax]

Hi

Definitly doesnt work queue encoding .
And is the Quit Button gone ?? I cant find a button to stop encoding
Encoding stops not . It is at 1 second rest and the watch runs and runs

I made two Pictures. First where the clock runs and runs and second that after 1 second beelight says after one second first job is done . second job makes he then.

I am using Beelight 19.10 Build and Besweet 1.5b31

EDIT :

If i only make 1 job to do - abort Buton is available and encoding works fine
See on Picture 3.

cu


PLZ Approval my Attachements !! THX

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Hi.
The latest Build (BeLight-0.22beta_20051019) makes the GUI look this way:

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8203/belight3ng.th.png (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belight3ng.png)


// EDIT

If I move the bitrate-slider in the AAC Tab (Winamp) the combobox below switches .style between csDropDownList and csDropDown. IMO there seems to be a problem, or is there a reason for this?

[Kurtnoise]

Did you modify the BeLight borders ?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Did you modify the BeLight borders ?

I did *not* modify anything. It's the EXE file from the latest daily build.

[fight2win]

winamp has been updated, so will winamp aac support in belight will also be updated?

[Kurtnoise]

Do you know if it has been improved ? I don't think so...btw, you can replace the old dll by the new one.




@Lord_Murder : I found the problem... :rolleyes: Sorry for that.

[ron spencer]

3 bugs, all after you hit start and GET TO THE TRANSCODE WINDOW.

1. The time elapsed and left have 12 in from of them...representing a clock, this is wrong....also AM is listed there.

2. If you try to resize the transcode log big dialog box the red cancel button does not move to the right place...it ends up over the time left bars.

3. Again in the transocde window area if you try to move over the information components so you can see them (the box above the progress bars) they will bounce back


thanks!!!!

[LoRd_MuldeR]

np :)
But did you upload a new build which includes the fix ???

[Kurtnoise]

No coz I'm not at home during this week. So, maybe the next weekend...

[ron spencer]

ok thanks

[nexus]

Hi,

we are currently working on a better german translation at Doom9 | Gleitz DVD-Forum.

A few issues:


The translations of Tempo_Hint_part1 and Tempo_Hint_part2 aren't used, it's always english
Pitch_Hint_part1 and 2 and Rate_Hint_part1 and 2 aren't shown.


You can find the latest translation in this thread (http://forum.gleitz.info/showthread.php?t=25495) (German forum).

[Kurtnoise]

Danke schön... :D

[drob]

Kurt i can confirm, with latest nightly build, Que still isn't working.

[ron spencer]

that is an old build...he has not been able to make a new one as out of town i think

[nexus]

Danke schön... :DBitte schön. :)

Newly discovered issue: :D
In AAC Encoding Tab the descriptions aren't sourced out to the .ini, is that right? This concerns FAAC and Winamp encoder.

You (all) can find almost every day an updated version of Deutsch.ini in the thread mentioned above. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Newly discovered issue: :D
In AAC Encoding Tab the descriptions aren't sourced out to the .ini, is that right? This concerns FAAC and Winamp encoder.
not an issue. It's because I don't translated these parts yet...I'm working on it. :)

You (all) can find almost every day an updated version of Deutsch.ini in the thread mentioned above. ;)
ok...did you start with the Megamacy translation or did you made the German translation from scratch ?



@Drob : I know...I'm working on it.

[megamacy]

hm, seems like i'm out of work now ^^

but my actual translation is for the latest daily build ;)
(http://corecodec.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=158&forum_id=128)

[nexus]

ok...did you start with the Megamacy translation or did you made the German translation from scratch ?We started with the English.ini because I didn't knew that there's already a Deutsch.ini. But I thinks ours is better. ;)

It's because I don't translated these parts yet...I'm working on it.Can you post it if you add new lines to the language.ini?

@megamacy: Thought you won't work on the Deutsch.ini anymore?! It doesn't make sense to work on two different Deutsch.ini files. If there are any problems please contact me via Germans forum PM or post in the accordant thread there.

[Kurtnoise]

Can you post it if you add new lines to the language.ini?
yep...in the next build.

[nexus]

yep...in the next build. Great!

Everybody seems to be satisfied with our latest translation so it will be a good idea if you add our language file in the next build. As always: here (http://forum.gleitz.info/showthread.php?t=25495) . ;)

[Kurtnoise]

Check out the lastest daily build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=209#r209) to update your file...;)

[Elias]

So how long will BeLight be Beta? I don't think it's fair to call it beta any longer, because it's pretty stable nowadays :)

[MacAddict]

Latest daily build breaks Nero encoding with "unable to get bsn interfaces"??? Or is it just me?

[Kurtnoise]

So how long will BeLight be Beta? I don't think it's fair to call it beta any longer, because it's pretty stable nowadays :)
No it isn't...

[Kurtnoise]

Latest daily build breaks Nero encoding with "unable to get bsn interfaces"??? Or is it just me?
be sure to have bse_Nero7WA.dll...I'll add condition to switch bse_Nero7 and bsn asap.

[MacAddict]

Thanks Kurt, that did the trick :-)

[nexus]

Check out the lastest daily build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=209#r209) to update your file...;)Deutsch.ini updated. Maybe you should include it in the daily build.

[Marcovelo]

Hello experts !

I'm trying to encode a 6ch wav in AAC using BeLight 0.2.2.0 beta 8 and BeSweet v1.5b31.

I'm getting this log:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_FAAC by dimzon, Build Sep 14 2005, 11:26:17

Logging start : 11/06/05 , 18:54:40.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Temp\util_Audio\BeLight\TestSequence_48_16b.wav -output C:\Temp\util_Audio\BeLight\TestSequence_48_16b.aac -logfile C:\Temp\util_Audio\BeLight\TestSequence_48_16b_3.log ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_FAAC.dll -b 128 --obj-type LC -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Temp\util_Audio\BeLight\TestSequence_48_16b.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Temp\util_Audio\BeLight\TestSequence_48_16b.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 11/06/05 , 18:54:40.

Strange, because I didn't invoke -bsn option (Nero), -dimzon( -dllname bse_FAAC.dll ...

By the way, I was able to encode my 6chwav using FAAC.exe (1.24) from commandline:
-> faac.exe TestSequence_48_16b.wav -q 125 -o TestSequence_48_16b.aac

The resulting .aac seems to be correct when played in VLC 0.8.2, with correct channel mapping (5.1).

Any suggestion about my problem with BeLight would be very appreciated...
Thanks in advance

Marco

PS: Big thanks to Kurtnoise and Dimzon for BeLight and plugins .

[Kurtnoise]

Deutsch.ini updated. Maybe you should include it in the daily build.
Thanks..I'll included it tomorrow. I need to tune different things before to release a new build.

[Kurtnoise]

Marcovelo : what kind of Sampling Rate did you have concerning your input stream ?

[Marcovelo]

Kurt:
my imput stream is Wav (non extensible): TestSequence (http://marcovelo.free.fr/Tests/TestSequence_48_16b.zip)
samplerate = 48000
channels = 6
codec = PCM
bitspersample = 16

I built this input wav using BeSweet from 6 mono wav 48Khz 16 bits:
besweet -core ( -input "list.mux" -output "TestSequence_48_16b.wav" -6chwav )


Thanks for your advices

Marco

[tebasuna51]

For me work without problems.
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru
(shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_FAAC by dimzon, Build Sep 14 2005, 11:26:17

Logging start : 11/07/05 , 01:24:28.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input G:\TestSequence_48_16b.wav
-output G:\TestSequence_48_16b.aac
-logfile G:\TestSequence_48_16b.log )
-dimzon( -dllname bse_FAAC.dll -b 128 --obj-type LC -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : G:\TestSequence_48_16b.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: G:\TestSequence_48_16b.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:05:836] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:01:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 11/07/05 , 01:24:29.
The wav6 is absolutely correct and the aac plays fine and well channel mapping.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

The new built (BeLight-0.22beta_20051106.zip) still looks like this:

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/1971/belight4xd.png

[Kurtnoise]

weird...try to remove BeLight.ini file and reload BeLight coz I really don't know why. :confused:


btw, for those who want to test a new preversion I updated a new daily build : http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=212#r212

[Marcovelo]

@tebasuna51:

Thanks for your test.
I'll check again my configuration, as I still don't see why it does not work on my side.
I just tried again with the same (short) path for file names, but I still get the same error...
I think I have exactly the same version of BeSweet (v1.5b31) and bse_FAAC.dll (Build Sep 14 2005, 11:26:17)...
Very strange...
I will tell you if I found the solution...


@Kurt:

I also experience the same problem of display than reported by LoRd_MuldeR on today's BeLight build.
Deleting BeLight.ini and running again BeLight.exe is not better.
This small pb is not present with BeLight 0.21 on the same PC.

[Marcovelo]

Just to say I finally achieved to encod my wav file using BeLight, just by reinstalling the full package BeLight-0.22b8.exe from scratch.
There was probably some dll missing or mismatching during my first tests.
Sorry for that.
By the way, after my reinstall, I have no more display issue in the BeLight GUI (like reported by LoRd_MuldeR).

Thanks.

Marco

[Kurtnoise]

aaa good for you. :) So, your display issue occurs only with daily builds. Could you confirm that LoRd_Mulder ?

[wdmalik]

Yea .. my problems solved as well [GUI related ... ]

P.S: Keep up the good work .. :)

[odyn1982]

Hi,

I've updated polish language file for BeLight.

http://rapidshare.de/files/7328643/Polski.ini.html

[Marcovelo]

So, your display issue occurs only with daily builds.
On my side, no more GUI problem, even with daily build (11/07/2005), after fresh reinstall + patch with build 11/07/2005.
Works's fine.
Thank's for your great job Kurt.
Marco

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Sorry Kurtnoise, but the problem (see screenshot) is still there even with the latest Build (BeLight-0.22beta_20051107.zip). I have deleted the INI file, but this didn't change anything...


@Marcovelo
How did you solve the GUI problem?

[7ven]

Hello, I have the BeLight 0.2.2.0 beta 8. It´s a fantastic tool for AAC but, when i move the mouse over the Batchwindow, the "DynamicComp" would be activate. But I don´t want the Dynamik Compr...

Thanks 7ven

[Kurtnoise]

@odyn : thank you...

@7ven : try to update your version with the last daily build.

@Lord_Mulder : could you test Version1 (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/version1.zip) and Version2 (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/version2.zip) and tell me if it's ok with the 1st or the 2nd...

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Sorry. There is no differnece between Version1 and Version2.
Still the same GUI problem :(

[MacAddict]

The latest daily build still has the issue wher Dynamic Compression is turned on when the mouse cursor hovers over the white queue box. Same issue as 7ven mentions above.

Edit- Also, the Belight process doesnt set its self to "idle" mode but the Besweet process does.

[Kurtnoise]

ok, so I'll try to fix this issue asap.

but,
Also, the Belight process doesnt set its self to "idle" mode but the Besweet process does.
how do you know that ? coz by default BeLight transcoding process uses "Normal" mode.

[MacAddict]

Options->Priority->Idle is set currently. Using the task manager I can see that Belight is in "Normal" mode and Besweet is actually in "Idle". Should Belight also be running at "Idle" priority?

[Kurtnoise]

No, coz you transcode your file with BeSweet not BeLight...;) So, priorities tasks are applied to BeSweet.

[MacAddict]

Hmmm...but Belight is also consuming CPU cycles if you watch the task manager. Is it just for the gain cycle maybe?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Will the GUI problem ever be fixed ???

[ron spencer]

can you review what the issue is? so I can see if I have it

[Kurtnoise]

Will the GUI problem ever be fixed ???
unfortunately no... :(

[ron spencer]

what is the problem?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

what is the problem?

The problem is, all up-to-date builds of BeLight look this way:

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/1971/belight4xd.png

The right side is always cut off... :(

[ron spencer]

don't know what to say....fine on my machine no matter what I do.

it is XP SP2

what do you have agian?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Really strange !!!

I've made a clean re-install of Windows today and now BeLight looks correct :eek:

I use WinXP (SP1)

Got no idea how to reproduce this problem. Only thing I know is, it's gone...

[7ven]

Hello Kurtnoise13,

So, I update the newest BeLight Version, but It´s the same Problem what I posted here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=734949#post734949

Thanks 7ven

[Kurtnoise]

Yes...I'll try to fix that asap. :)

[dwrbudr]

Maybe the problem is in the use of frames in delphi.

[7ven]

:thanks: a lot

7ven

[Kurtnoise]

I update the newest BeLight Version, but It´s the same Problem what I posted here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=734949#post734949
It should be ok now....

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=215#r215

[opsis81]

@ Kurtnoise

Greek language for BeLight 0.22 beta 8
Download Hellenic.ini from

http://rapidshare.de/files/7664009/Hellenic.ini.html

[Jalavera]

Cosmetic bug:
In the WAV/PCM tab when click on DD-WAV (output format) then 'Output channels' doesn't disappear. These output channel only affect to WAV or AIFF not DD-WAV.
In fact if you select DD-WAV as output format nothing happens to 'output channels' but if you change the tab (i.e MP3, VORBIS,...) and come back to WAC/PCM then 'output channels' options disappear.

[MacAddict]

It should be ok now....

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=215#r215

Yep, seems to have fixed the DRC button box bug. Thx :)

[dimzon]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/21/belight3ms.png
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/4210/belight8td.png
Annoing bug

[subiksha]

How to view the belight (or any) encoded file info ....

[dimzon]

How to view the belight (or any) encoded file info ....
Try latest foobar2000 beta

[wdmalik]

well found a strange bug today ...

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2037/untitled5mr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think it should be

Time Elapsed 00:00:32 & Time Remaining 00:02:57

and there should be no AM there as well

:confused:

EDIT: if it help somehow, the encoding was done during PM not AM :)
version 0.2.2.0 @14/11/2005

[ron spencer]

this bug has been there for a while

[schrady]

this bug has been there for a while

Is that going to be reenabled? Being able to process a list of files is a great feature

[Kurtnoise]

well found a strange bug today ...
this bug has been there for a while

Come on...go back to the earth. This is not a bug. You have probably an US Windows. That's can explain why. Coz I don't have this trick here with a french Windows. Btw I can modify this.

@dimzon: sorry. :( I check again and again and I don't know why for the moment.

@opsis : Thank you very much. I'll add it. :)

@schrady : what do you mean ? A batch mode or a Job List ? coz the batch mode should be ok now and I'm working on the Job List.

[dimzon]

@dimzon: sorry. :( I check again and again and I don't know why for the moment.
Seem's like it's wellknown bug occured in Delphi applications when its running under different screen font dpi:
http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/685/belight4wr.png

[ron spencer]

I am referring to batch or anything....I am referring to the time on the bottom. It gives clock time on my machine...don't know what this has to do with U.S. or French installation

[LoRd_MuldeR]

@dimzon
I had this bug on my machine too. Only a clean re-install of Windows fixed the problem...

[dimzon]

Only a clean re-install of Windows fixed the problem...
This is pure BeSweet issue!

[LoRd_MuldeR]

This is pure BeSweet issue!

It seems so. But after Windows re-install it was fixed.

It's a very strange thing...

[dimzon]

It seems so. But after Windows re-install it was fixed.
You just use different screen font dpi after reinstall

[LoRd_MuldeR]

You just use different screen font dpi after reinstall
Do I? I never changed font dpi...

[schrady]

Come on...go back to the earth. This is not a bug. You have probably an US Windows. That's can explain why. Coz I don't have this trick here with a french Windows. Btw I can modify this.

@dimzon: sorry. :( I check again and again and I don't know why for the moment.

@opsis : Thank you very much. I'll add it. :)

@schrady : what do you mean ? A batch mode or a Job List ? coz the batch mode should be ok now and I'm working on the Job List.
I want to be able to designate a group of files to process the same way. Dont I do that by creating a LST file, then loading and processing the lst file?
Doent the lst file tell it what files to process?

When I try and open the lst file I create, it says "not supported" Try v.21

[schrady]

I want to be able to designate a group of files to process the same way. Dont I do that by creating a LST file, then loading and processing the lst file?
Doent the lst file tell it what files to process?

When I try and open the lst file I create, it says "not supported" Try v.21
Also, this is not a big deal, but I have no time designation what so ever when it is transcoding. Not progress bar, no time. Nothing across the bottom.

When its done it just says finished.

I am running US WIN XP Pro SP2 with newest belight .22 for P4.

[Kurtnoise]

Seem's like it's wellknown bug occured in Delphi applications when its running under different screen font dpi
well...I don't know but I use this function to detect the font size :

function GetSystemFontSize: Integer;
var dc: HDC;
begin
dc:= GetDC(0);
result:= GetDeviceCaps(dc, LOGPIXELSX);
ReleaseDC(0, dc);
end;
and with the Form.Create :
if GetSystemFontSize > 96 then PixelsPerInch := GetSystemFontsize;
So, I don't think this is the problem. Or Am I wrong ?

[Kurtnoise]

I am referring to batch or anything....I am referring to the time on the bottom. It gives clock time on my machine...don't know what this has to do with U.S. or French installation
The Timer is maybe different in the usability. This is not a big deal imo...

[Kurtnoise]

Also, this is not a big deal, but I have no time designation what so ever when it is transcoding. Not progress bar, no time. Nothing across the bottom.

When its done it just says finished.

I am running US WIN XP Pro SP2 with newest belight .22 for P4.
As you can see the 0.22 branch doesn't support lst files yet. So, :logfile:

[ron spencer]

you are right...not a big deal

[hijacker]

I was looking for a program that uses Lame to recompress my MP3 to lower bitrate for my portable MP3 player. Guide on doom9.org suggested BeSweet and so I found BeLight. I draged one MP3 file to test it if would work.

I chose MP3 as output and constant 64k bitrate. When I press the start button it does nothing. I waited and then stoped. My RAM usage was 700MB and when I checked my MP3 file it was 0 bytes.

So... What I figured is that it wants to use the same filename and sufix and so at the very beginning it overwrites the files and then does a loop wich fills up the memory.

Can you fix this in BeLight? You can detect if the input and output files would be the same and then let's say add "_new" string to the filename.

Or am I doing something wrong?

PS: The log

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (8/8/2003), Engine 3.90 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 11/17/05 , 19:21:55.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input F:\test.mp3 -output F:\test.mp3 -logfile F:\test.log ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -lame( -b 64 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : F:\test.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: F:\test.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 bitrate : 64
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

[dwrbudr]

@Kurtnoise13: Try to NOT set form's PixelsPerInch at all. Delphi has this implemented in TCustomForm class. Just remove that code and let the users see how it works without the DPI check.

[sillKotscha]

Will the GUI problem ever be fixed ???

unfortunately no... :(

Hi Kurtnoise13,

I do not want to stresstest your nerves but...

I do have the gui_problem as well, but just with the latest daily build.

My OS is win2k_sp4_latest_m$-patches.

But as you know it's just an optical effect, no transcoding or encoding related issues.

Thanks for this very easy to use FE :)

cheers Sill

[dimzon]

I was looking for a program that uses Lame to recompress my MP3 to lower bitrate for my portable MP3 player.
Try foobar2000

[hijacker]

Isn't foobar a mp3 player like Winamp. How can you recompress MP3 files with it?

I also have another idea. My MP3 player also plays WMA files wich AFAIK are smaller then MP3. Any good program to compress MP3 to WMA?

[MacAddict]

Foobar is MUCH more than just a player.

@Kurtnoise13
Do we have a way to _not_ have 'DRC" selected bt default when we drag files in the queue? I use 'DRC' for 5.1 AC3 transcoding but I don't think it's desireable for a 2.0 file. Or am I wrong?

[Kurtnoise]

what do you mean by drc ?

[MacAddict]

Dynamic Range Compression. I guess it's also called Dynamic Noise Compression?

[Caroliano]

My MP3 player also plays WMA files wich AFAIK are smaller then MP3. Any good program to compress MP3 to WMA?
filesize = bitrate * duration
If you put the same file and set the same bitrate, the Mp3 and the WMA will have the same size. And transcoding is a BAD idea. You will only loose tons of quality to have a slight smaler file. Its better get the source CD and convert to WMA directly. Although the quality of an Mp3 encoded by Lame is better than of the WMA, IMHO. Lame is for Mp3 the same as Xvid is for Mpeg4 ASP.

[Rockaria]

Dynamic Range Compression. I guess it's also called Dynamic Noise Compression?My understanding based on the Audio FAQ and the feeling based on some test with FFDSHOW/AC3Filter DRC feature is that it certainly helps to perceive overall volume ranges of the bandwidth especially in the noisy environment with some media types(movie & classic) but too much will always degradates the fidelity.

It also has some effect of volume normalization(you will see + and - numbers dynamically applied) without distortion but not recommended if you have a quite listning environment and properly mastered gains of clips.

[MacAddict]

Thank you Rockaria. I'm not sure why I was always under the impression to not use it for 2.0 tracks. Unfortunately my HTPC isn't in a very quiet environment for the moment so I think I'll do a test between 'light' and 'normal' compression.

[Caroliano]

.....

That time when updating to the beta_2001114 I got the LoRd_MuldeR issue with the GUI. Any progress made to fix it? If not I'll back to the old version. Re-install Windows is not an option for me. Never changed my font dpi also.

EDIT: An screenshot with the maximized window (the non-maximized is the same as the one LoRd_MuldeR already posted) : http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3619/belight20vx.png

EDIT2: The old version continues to work fine for me. But I find a detail: in the old version I can't maximize the window. Maybe this is a clue.

EDIT3: Screenshot as how the old version opens by defaut in my system: http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3576/belight49ez.png. And how it is after I drag for the center of the screen: http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9573/belight56yr.png
This is strange? If not it is annoying.

[Kurtnoise]

Please, Please....let me breath one second guys. I've a real life you know that ?

I'm working on these bugs.

[Caroliano]

Ok. I'll wait. :)

Keep your mental sanity please! :p

[vito9]

Sorry if this is already documented, I searched this thread for all 'ac 5.1', but dont have time to read through 43 pages of thread!

using belight 2.2b8 wanted to transcode ac5.1 23.976fps -> ac5.1 25fps

My besweet log:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using SoundTouch.dll v1.3.0 by Olli Parviainen (www.iki.fi/oparviai/soundtouch).
Using AC3enc.dll v1.20 (Feb 18 2004) by Fabrice Bellard (http://ffmpeg.org).

Logging start : 12/04/05 , 13:14:12.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\40yov\40yov.ac3 -output E:\40yov\40yov.ac3 -logfilea E:\40yov\40yov.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ac3enc( -b 448 -6ch ) -soundtouch( -r 23976 25000 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\40yov\40yov.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\40yov\40yov.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No

input and output name the same - end up with zero byte file!

when I check the bewsweet command line in belight:

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\40yov\40yov.ac3" -output "E:\40yov\40yov.ac3" -logfilea "E:\40yov\40yov_1.log" ) -azid( -c normal ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ac3enc( -b 448 -6ch ) -soundtouch( -r 23976 25000 )

if this is a known bug my apologies in advance

[Kurtnoise]

This is already mentioned (in BeSweet FAQ and some others threads), Soundtouch works only with wav stereo files...

[vito9]

This is already mentioned (in BeSweet FAQ and some others threads), Soundtouch works only with wav stereo files...

@Kurtnoise

Thanks I see that the -soundtouch doesnt work with ac2 but that is the command line that belight creates when I load a ac3 5.1 file and convert the frame rate:

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\40yov\40yov_Fixed01.ac3" -output "E:\40yov\40yov_Fixed01.ac3" -logfilea "E:\40yov\40yov_Fixed01.log" ) -azid( -c normal ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ac3enc( -b 448 -6ch ) -soundtouch( -r 23976 25000 -tempo )

So a bug perhaps in belight?

[Kurtnoise]

No, it's not a bug. Your input file must be a wav stereo if you want to use soundtouch command.

[vito9]

ok I see - so it is not possible to change the framerate on an ac3 5.1 file?

[Kurtnoise]

Of course it's possible...by example try with BeSweetGUI with OTA switch -ota( -r 23976 25000 )

[vito9]

yep I know its possible with besweet command line but why not through belight? Surely this would be counted as a bug when belight attempts to transcode the file but generates the wrong besweet script? Sorry not trying to be overly critical (I like belight!).

Oh, and BTW thanks for your responses.

Best rgds

Vito

[Kurtnoise]

not through BeLight because I decided to use soundtouch instead...the framerate conversion with ota switch is too limited. In addition, I mean BeSweetGUI (http://dspguru.doom9.net), not directly the command line.

[Kurtnoise]

well found a strange bug today ...

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2037/untitled5mr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think it should be

Time Elapsed 00:00:32 & Time Remaining 00:02:57

and there should be no AM there as well

:confused:

EDIT: if it help somehow, the encoding was done during PM not AM :)
version 0.2.2.0 @14/11/2005
fixed... :)

[Kurtnoise]

Cosmetic bug:
In the WAV/PCM tab when click on DD-WAV (output format) then 'Output channels' doesn't disappear. These output channel only affect to WAV or AIFF not DD-WAV.
In fact if you select DD-WAV as output format nothing happens to 'output channels' but if you change the tab (i.e MP3, VORBIS,...) and come back to WAC/PCM then 'output channels' options disappear.
fixed...

[Kurtnoise]

Options->Priority->Idle is set currently. Using the task manager I can see that Belight is in "Normal" mode and Besweet is actually in "Idle". Should Belight also be running at "Idle" priority?
Finally, I decided to put the same priority task for BeSweet and BeLight...

[Kurtnoise]

That time when updating to the beta_2001114 I got the LoRd_MuldeR issue with the GUI. Any progress made to fix it?
not fixed yet...but it's on my way.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

the LoRd_MuldeR issue :D :D :D



Is it normal that the Nero7 Encoder uses the HE-AAC profile by default, even for high bitrates (high vbr modes) ??? ASAP HE-AAC is intended for low bitrates, so LC-AAC should be the deafult, at least for higher bitrates (higher vbr modes).

Or is HE-AAC the new default in Nero7, even for high bitrates ?!?!?!?!?!

[Kurtnoise]

bsn and the last libraries dedicated to BeSweet for the nero aac encoding don't use this restriction...in other words, you can tweak by example an he-aac @192kbps if you want but it's not recommended.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

bsn and the last libraries dedicated to BeSweet for the nero aac encoding don't use this restriction...in other words, you can tweak by example an he-aac @192kbps if you want but it's not recommended.

So I should force the Nero Encoder to use the LC-Profile?
(VBR-Mode: Extreme Quality)

[Kurtnoise]

If you don't use Presets, I'd say yes...

[TheFluff]

This has probably been reported before... but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Using 0.22beta8 on Windows 2000, I can uncheck the "delay" and "dynamic range compression" checkboxes, but as soon as I move the mouse over the file list area, they re-check themselves. Also, DTS input gives me a "not supported in 0.22" message.

[Kurtnoise]

and this has been fixed already in the latest daily builds (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=234#r234)...

[TheFluff]

I see. Many thanks, and apologies for the redundant report.

[dwrbudr]

In the latest daily build - where does the HybridGain option go?
The "View BeSweet command" form shows up somewhere in the bottom of the screen. Its position should be poMainFormCenter and no poDesigned or poDefault

[Reino]

I just transcoded an AC3 file to an OGG file with the latest libvorbis.dll using libVorbis v1.1.2 2005-12-08 (http://rarewares.org/ogg.html), but afterwards when I look into the Stream Info of that OGG file it says it was still made by the version of 20050304 (libVorbis v1.1.1)...
Is this BeLight to blame, Kurtnoise13?

[Kurtnoise]

no...put your libvorbis.dll in the BeSweet folder.

In the latest daily build - where does the HybridGain option go?
I didn't change that... :confused:

[Reino]

Of course it's located in the BeSweet directory (+ the needed libmmd.dll), otherwise it won't work at all :rolleyes:

[Kurtnoise]

So, I've made a quick test with libvorbis 1.1.2 from rarewares :

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Dec 8 2005 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 12/14/05 , 20:38:29.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\Samples\005 ItCouldBeSweet.wav -output E:\Samples\005 ItCouldBeSweet.ogg -logfile E:\Samples\005 ItCouldBeSweet.log ) -ogg( -q 0.400 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\Samples\005 ItCouldBeSweet.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\Samples\005 ItCouldBeSweet.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.400
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:017] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:20:017] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 103kbps
[00:00:02:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 12/14/05 , 20:38:31.

And I checked the properties of my output vorbis file. We have Xiph.org libvorbis I 20050304...This corresponds to the vendor flag with the spec version. So, no problem from BeSweet and/or BeLight.

edit: and you can have some dlls in Windows/system32 for encoding.

[Reino]

Sorry, my fault...
I discovered the aoTuVb4.51 version is correctly shown as:
Vendor :
AO; aoTuV b4b [20051117]
(based on Xiph.Org's libVorbis)
But the libVorbis 1.1.2 version isn't shown as:"
Vendor :
Xiph.Org libVorbis I
20051208But still as:
Vendor :
Xiph.Org libVorbis I
20050304 :confused:

[Taurus]

First I want to thank Kurtnoise13 for this wonderful GUI.
And of course all others who contribute with addons and fixes.

My problem: All other aac encoders (Nero, FAAC, 3GP Reference9) work like a charme.
Only the Winamp plugin gives me this:
:http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9614/unbenannt1tv.gif (http://imageshack.us)

My logfile looks like this:

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\Temp\Ariane.wav" -output "C:\Temp\Ariane.aac" -logfile "C:\Temp\Ariane.log" ) -azid( -s stereo -L -3db ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll -cbr 96 -mode 2 -v 2 )

Latest full package of Belight (Besweet, Dimzon's, etc.)installed.
Also tried some of the daily builds: no success.

It's on a Win98 machine, the one I prefer for audio encoding.
Haven't tried yet on a XP machine.

Any help is really appreciated.

Cheers

Taurus

[Kurtnoise]

But the libVorbis 1.1.2 version isn't shown as:"
Vendor :
Xiph.Org libVorbis I
20051208But still as:
Vendor :
Xiph.Org libVorbis I
20050304 :confused:
As I said, it's because xiph devs team doesn't update their tag vendor in the code.

[Kurtnoise]

It's on a Win98 machine, the one I prefer for audio encoding.
Haven't tried yet on a XP machine.
I don't know why BeSweet crashes but I'm sure about one thing. The last BeLight versions use Unicode code and win98 doesn't support this.

[Shinjite]

One question, when I demux a 6channel wav into 6 mono wavs for DD 5.1, is the output sequence of channels are correct?

[Taurus]

I don't know why BeSweet crashes but I'm sure about one thing. The last BeLight versions use Unicode code and win98 doesn't support this.
Well, the win98 machine is patched with the Microsoft Layer für Unicode for long time, so normally programs using unicode do not get me trouble ;)
As I said before, your program works pretty stable on my side, the only disadvantage: Winamp aac plugin crashing.
I will try to use cli on Besweet with Dimzon's Winamp aac modifications and report back how it works.
Edit
Ok, it's not Belight. Besweet crashes with Dimzon's "bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll"
on my win98 machine. Tested from command prompt.
Same command on a WinXp machine works fine. And of course so does Belight.
On both machines same Version Belight install....
What makes me wonder: all other Dimzon plugins for aac work alright. :o
And aac encoding inside Winamp is working too.
So I guess there is something inside the code which triggers the kernel fault

[tebasuna51]

@Shinjite
The output names are correct. To encode with ac3enc (DD 5.1) you need a mux file with this order: FL_C_FR_SL_SR_LFE.

@Taurus
Maybe there are something wrong in your command line:

"BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\Temp\Ariane.wav" -output "C:\Temp\Ariane.aac" -logfile "C:\Temp\Ariane.log" ) -azid( -s stereo -L -3db ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll -cbr 96 -mode 2 -v 2 )"

The azid decoder is only for ac3 input.

[Taurus]

-azid( -s stereo -L -3db )[/b] -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll -cbr 96 -mode 2 -v 2 )"

The azid decoder is only for ac3 input.

Well I know, without the azid commands it's still the same.
Look at my edit a few lines ahead...

Thank you

Taurus

[Chris Benoit]

I want to ask 2 questions.

A)What are the differences in boost mode?LigH,DSPGuru and Tera?
B)Output sampling rate is only if i want to change frequency?If i have an audio in the frequency i want,i live that option unchecked right?

[Kurtnoise]

A)What are the differences in boost mode?LigH,DSPGuru and Tera?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91928


B)Output sampling rate is only if i want to change frequency?If i have an audio in the frequency i want,i live that option unchecked right?
yes

[Chris Benoit]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91928


I read the command line reference from that link and it didn't mention anything specific.

In the boost section it says:

Defines the dynamic compression’s strength using an algorithm by xxxx(Where xxxx=Ligh/Tera/Dspguru)

Duh!!

How will i know which one does what so i can choose between them?

Also it says u should either choose dynamic compression or boost,not both.Which one shall i prefer?

EDIT:Since i'm preparing audio for the psp,my goal is to get clear and as loud as possible results.Emphasis on the loud part,cause somet times when i'm at noisy environments i have difficulty hearing audio files.

[Kurtnoise]

I read the command line reference from that link and it didn't mention anything specific.

How will i know which one does what so i can choose between them?
So, in this case, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=681548#post681548


Also it says u should either choose dynamic compression or boost,not both.Which one shall i prefer?
depends of your source imho...Bear in mind that boost must be applied only with wav files.

EDIT:Since i'm preparing audio for the psp,my goal is to get clear and as loud as possible results.Emphasis on the loud part,cause somet times when i'm at noisy environments i have difficulty hearing audio files.
I'd say : first try "normal" or "extreme" dynamic compression. If it's not enough, you can try with a LigH or DSPguru boost presets.

[Chris Benoit]

Well my sources are mp3 to be converted in aac.I'll try what you suggested and will let you know.thanx.

[Chris Benoit]

By extreme did you mean "heavy"?

Well anyway i tried buth normal and heavy but the resulted audio had the same volume as the source.Then i tried ligh and there was a significant boost,although the audio seemed kind of unnatural,like some noises were heard.

What should i do?

EDIT:Oh,and what's the option mix audio into existing video .mp4 track?So if i have some video .mp4 named like the mp3 it would mux the audio in?

So if i have a.mp4 b.mp4 and c.mp4 and i have to encode a.mp3 b.mp3 and c.mp3 after the encoding the programm will mux them into the corresponing video .mp4?

[Kurtnoise]

By extreme did you mean "heavy"?
mmh, yeah.

Well anyway i tried buth normal and heavy but the resulted audio had the same volume as the source.Then i tried ligh and there was a significant boost,although the audio seemed kind of unnatural,like some noises were heard.

What should i do?
Once again...boost presets must be applied with only wav files as input.

EDIT:Oh,and what's the option mix audio into existing video .mp4 track?So if i have some video .mp4 named like the mp3 it would mux the audio in?
if you have a video track with the same name as your input audio file AND if it's a mp4 file then yes...But I don't know whether it works with Nero 7 dlls. This option works only for AAC.

[Chris Benoit]

mmh, yeah.


Once again...boost presets must be applied with only wav files as input.

Yes but the dynamics compression didn't do anything!What other choices do i have to increase volume in a significant amount without quality loss?

if you have a video track with the same name as your input audio file AND if it's a mp4 file then yes...But I don't know whether it works with Nero 7 dlls. This option works only for AAC.

Yes that's te way i intend to use it.So i need to have a video mp4 in the same directory and then the encoded aac will be muxed into the video automatically?

[Kurtnoise]

Yes but the dynamics compression didn't do anything!What other choices do i have to increase volume in a significant amount without quality loss?
try an other preset... :p


Yes that's te way i intend to use it.So i need to have a video mp4 in the same directory and then the encoded aac will be muxed into the video automatically?
yes it should be.

[Sharktooth]

Kurt, can you please fix the interface in the next builds?

[Kurtnoise]

I'll try...this is my 1st priority. The problem is : I can't reproduce this bug with my materials...

[Sharktooth]

it has to be some properties in the main form.
resizing it to impossible sizes tends to show the undisplayed controls.
i've got the sources and installed delphi7 personal... but it seems it lacks some external controls or to be an incorrect version.

[Kurtnoise]

you must have D7 Pro or Ent...Personal Edition doesn't support unicode components.

[Sharktooth]

well... personal is free... pro or ent isn't...

[Chris Benoit]

Kurt as for the boost mode,you said it's best if the sound is wav right?So if i encode an mp3 into wav and then use boost mode will i be ok?Cause i'm demux audio from videos as wav,so would it be suitable to use the boost mode?

[Kurtnoise]

if you want to keep your mp3, you can try mp3gain. Otherwise, yes. Transcode a mp3 into wav will be ok for the boost.

[Chris Benoit]

But its's not going to remain wav,it's going to be encoded to aac!

Is boost recommended for wav 2 wav conversions or wav 2 whatever?Meaning that only thing that matters is that its a wav input,no matter what the output will be...

[Kurtnoise]

wav 2 whatever yes...

[Chris Benoit]

Ok thanx i'll try it then.

[Kalisto]

Hi,
is possible to do lossless file audio, with this aplication?

Thanks.

[nexus]

Hi,
is possible to do lossless file audio, with this aplication?Sure, just use a lossless codec, e.g. WAV. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

well...wav is not really a lossless format.

@Kalisto: no, it's not possible for the moment.

[nexus]

well...wav is not really a lossless format. Hm, why it isn't? (Thought 16bit PCM is used?)

[Kurtnoise]

wav format is more or less a "container"...You can store mp3 or ac3 in wav you know. Of course, most of the time you have pcm stream in wav files which uses an uncompressed method. But this is not very efficient if you compare the results with some other lossless formats (wavpack, monkey's, flac, etc...)

[nexus]

I meant the WAV/PCM tab in BeLight (which is the only possibility to encode lossless with BeLight as far as i know). ;)

[LoRd_MuldeR]

There is something that makes me crazy :angry:

I was using the Nero AAC Encoder very often. Most times in BeLight, somteimes in BeSweet from command-line. And it always worked fine. Until yesterday! I encoded one file and everything was alright. Then I tried to encode another file and Wooooshhhhhh. I doesn't work any longer! I get those "error configuring bsn" error each time. How can this be? I did not change anything at all. Not one bit! Encoding one file: works. Encoding second file: does not work. And now it does not work, for any file. Even for files i encoded minutes before. Encoding doesn't work in BeLight (it says encoding completed after one second, but encoding was *not* completed) and it doesn't work if I run BeSweet directly.

I cannot understand this :confused:

I alread tried to re-install everything, but no success :(

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll replacement v0.02 by dimzon (dimzon541@gmail.com).

Logging start : 12/25/05 , 16:10:05.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Temp\X.wav -output C:\Temp\X.mp4 -logfile C:\Temp\X.log ) -bsn( -2ch -vbr_extreme -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Temp\X.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Temp\X.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 12/25/05 , 16:10:05.


For Info: I use latest BeLight daily build with latest Nero 7 DLLs. All required DLLs are there! It worked all the time before.

[Kurtnoise]

Maybe this is a serial issue ? I'll check it tonight.

[dimzon]

Maybe this is a serial issue ? I'll check it tonight.
Just use bse_Nero7WA.dll

[Kurtnoise]

You mean bse_Nero7WA.dll only ? coz I've made a quick test with Nero7 dlls :
bsn from Dg & E-male only : ok
bse_Nero7WA.dll only : doesn't work
bsn from Dizmon only : doesn't work
bsn from Dg & E-male + bse_Nero7WA.dll : ok
bsn from Dimzon + bse_Nero7WA.dll : doesn't work

So, what's wrong ?

[dimzon]

You need original bsn.dll (forget dimzon's bsn - it is obsolete since dedicated -dimzon switch) + bse_Nero7WA.dll
and you must call Nero7 encoder via -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll ... ) always

[Kurtnoise]

aa I see. Thanks for clarifications.

[deets]

Error 84: error configuring bsn!

ive just started getting this error as well, no joy in sorting it out at all, driving me up the wall !

:)

[Kurtnoise]

:script: :search:

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Error 84: error configuring bsn!

ive just started getting this error as well, no joy in sorting it out at all, driving me up the wall !

:)

I have the same problem with BeSweet/BeLight. Came up suddenly. I still don't understand !!!
Hope they will fix that (see posts above).

Nevertheless there is another command-line front-end for the Nero Encoder, which works fine for me.
Maybe you'll give this one a try:
http://www.rarewares.org/files/aac/nero_fends.rar

[Kurtnoise]

You need bsn.dll from the last BeSweet package (http://dspguru.doom9.net) + bse_Nero7WA.dll. And it works fine...

[deets]

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 12/27/05 , 22:33:49.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\New Folder\rusty.wav -output C:\New Folder\rusty.mp4 -logfile C:\New Folder\rusty_2.log ) -bsn( -2ch -vbr_normal -aacprofile_lc ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\New Folder\rusty.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\New Folder\rusty.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 12/27/05 , 22:33:50.


thats my log file, using besweet 1.5b31 dll's and + bse_Nero7WA.dll

[LoRd_MuldeR]

@deets:

dimzon said "and you must call Nero7 encoder via -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll ... ) always"

Seems like you didn't do that...

[LoRd_MuldeR]

The changelog sais that Nero's AAC Encoder supports Parametric Stereo since Version 7.0.1.2. Is there a way to use PS mode with the Nero encoder in BeSweet/BeLight?

[Sharktooth]

PS is automatically enabled so you dont need to specify it.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

PS is automatically enabled so you dont need to specify it.

Allright. Do you know when it will be enabled? (always in HE mode or below a certain bitrate)

[Sharktooth]

it gets enabled around 50kbps... cant remember exactly though.

[BigDid]

Continuing the discussion from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=759244#post759244 (thanks to dragongodz)

Summary: from my tests, the Belight/Besweet -ota gain modes are still much lower than original ac3.
Tebasuna51 quantify this as-6db overall volume decrease. I will try 8.035db +6 = 14db and search for distorsion or artefacts (I tried manually +11db with ac3machine on that sample and seems ok)

Could you consider implementing a manual gain command in Belight? thank you.

Did

[Kurtnoise]

Summary: from my tests, the Belight/Besweet -ota gain modes are still much lower than original ac3.
Tebasuna51 quantify this as-6db overall volume decrease. I will try 8.035db +6 = 14db and search for distorsion or artefacts (I tried manually +11db with ac3machine on that sample and seems ok)
And ?

Could you consider implementing a manual gain command in Belight? thank you.
I'll think about it...next year. ;)

[Skelsgard]

Some issues with HE-AAC on Nero Digital mode:
a 1:48:46 HMS audio track 6-ch 48kHz 16bits, creates bad audio (played with ffdshow and Winamp) no matter what options I use.
These are clips made with HE profile (all 20 seconds each):
1) encoding 1h48m36s WAV from 1m50s to 2m10s with these options:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 01/01/06 , 22:55:43.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac.wav -output C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_1.mp4 -logfile C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_5.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -cbr 224 -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he ) -split( -start 110 -end 130 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_1.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: cbr 192
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:000] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/01/06 , 22:55:53.
Final file: 3.6Gb (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-BeLight-source_3670Mb(Encode 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).mp4)

2) encoding a 2m30s WAV entirely, and then splitting a 20 seconds clip:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 01/01/06 , 23:04:26.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav -output C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed_1.mp4 -logfile C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed_1.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -cbr 224 -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed_1.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: cbr 192
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:02:30:000] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:42:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/01/06 , 23:05:08.
Results: Full Encode (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-BeLight-source_82Mb(Full Encode - Splitted 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).mp4)

3) the same 2m30s WAV, but encoding 20s from 1m50s to 2m10s:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 01/01/06 , 23:02:27.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav -output C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.mp4 -logfile C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -cbr 224 -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he ) -split( -start 110 -end 130 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: cbr 192
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:000] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:09:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/01/06 , 23:02:36.
Partial Encode 82Mb (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-BeLight-source_82Mb(Encode 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).mp4)

4) The same 2m30s WAV, encoded with AACEnc32 (-cbr 224 -lowpass 24000):
Aacenc32 output (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-AACEnc32-source_82Mb(Full Encode - Splitted 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).m4a)

Is there a bug related to this?

Also, how come there isn´t a option to set the output file´s name to other than the source´s name with differente extension?

[Kurtnoise]

Is there a bug related to this?
Dunno but it doesn't concern BeLight...

Also, how come there isn´t a option to set the output file´s name to other than the source´s name with differente extension?
what do you mean by different extension ?

[Skelsgard]

Dunno but it doesn't concern BeLight...
Then is it within bsn.dll or even BeSweet?

what do you mean by different extension ?
sorry, different file type (translation mistake).
As in audio.wav --> audio.mp3, but no audio.wav ---> whatever-name-I-would-like-to-use.mp3

[Kurtnoise]

Then is it within bsn.dll or even BeSweet?
try directly with Nero Bundle...if you have the same issue with it, your input file might be the problem. Otherwise if all seems to be ok then BeSweet can be the problem.

sorry, different file type (translation mistake).
As in audio.wav --> audio.mp3, but no audio.wav ---> whatever-name-I-would-like-to-use.mp3
Well...select your file in the checklist box then select File/Save..in the Menu entry.

[Skelsgard]

Well...select your file in the checklist box then select File/Save..in the Menu entry.
I did. I wouldn´t have bothered u without trying all options... That´s what I think is weird. Because I set a new name for the output file in Save..., no errors there (msgs or long abnormal filenames), but it ends up being the same as the input. Maybe I´m the only one getting this.
Also, when using AC3 sources the Dynamic Compression checkbox always gets checked back to On (Normal) after I de-select it and move the mouse inside of the "file-list window" and back. If mouse position doesn´t enter that window-thingy, the checkbox doesn´t change the selection.

Edited:
found the trashed compression issue on incorrect dll´s versions (aac.dll was not from the last release, a copy-paste glitch when updating/moving some folders). Sorry.

[Kurtnoise]

mmh ok. I'll check out. Thanks for the bugreport.

[Kurtnoise]

ok...for those who have some troubles with resizing issue, please test the last daily build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=238#r238). I hope it's ok now...


@BigDid : your request is done...

[nexus]

Hi, what exactly is the difference between bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 1 and bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 2?

As i know ist
aac+ v1 = aac + sbr
and
aac+ v2 = aac + sbr + ps

But parametric stereo is only availlable in stereo mode.

[Caroliano]

ok...for those who have some troubles with resizing issue, please test the last daily build. I hope it's ok now...
No.... yet.... :(

[Kurtnoise]

Hi, what exactly is the difference between bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 1 and bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 2?
This stands for the core encoder. Either v1 or v2 are available. With v2 you can achieve Parametric Stereo.

But parametric stereo is only availlable in stereo mode.
yes...for multichannel only sbr part is used with both versions.

[Kurtnoise]

No.... yet.... :(
booo... so I need to check again.

[nexus]

So bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 1 and bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 2 does exactly the same? (Just to be sure, because i read somewhere that v2 has a different way to modulate)

[Kurtnoise]

in BeSweet I'd say yes...

[nexus]

in BeSweet I'd say yes...I made a short test with a 5.1 AC3 and compared it with fc -> no differences. So it seems that you are right. ;)

[Chris Benoit]

I use belight to encode some wav into mp3 (i use avi2wav which extracts audio stream from video files and saves it as wav),but i even though belight says encodning is complete i don't get any output files!Here's the log:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (12/9/2005), Engine 3.97 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 01/06/06 , 19:28:27.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Torrents\TV Shows\PSP\Wonder Showzen - s01e01 - Birth.wav -output D:\Torrents\TV Shows\PSP\Wonder Showzen - s01e01 - Birth.mp3 -logfile D:\Torrents\TV Shows\PSP\Wonder Showzen - s01e01 - Birth_2.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -lame( -b 144 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Torrents\TV Shows\PSP\Wonder Showzen - s01e01 - Birth.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Torrents\TV Shows\PSP\Wonder Showzen - s01e01 - Birth.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
Error 47: Error with LAME dll!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 01/06/06 , 19:28:27.


It appears to have some error with the lame enc dll.Although i tried encoding some other mp3 i had into mp3,and they were fine,it's just in those wav that i get this error.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

Could you post somewhere a short sample of your wav file ?

All in all, BeSweet is able to transcode audio stream from avi to mp3...So, demux is not needed in this case. For that, you need BeLight 0.21. AVI as input file is not supported yet with 0.22 branch...

[Chris Benoit]

Actually it was saves as wav from avi2wav but it was an mp3!When i used avicodec to determine what kind of file it was it said something about mp3 dsh.Also i used vdubmod to demux as mp3 and it still gave me an error!

I'll try the version 0.21 and will notify you if the problem persists.

[Chris Benoit]

I tried it and it didn't work with avi input.It just popped a dos screen that disappered instantly.On the other hand i managed to transcode the so called wav (dsh mp3) but it took too darn long.

What are your thoughts?

[Freakazoidalmaniac]

Could someone explain to me ( awesome software / gui btw ) how to convert a batch from say 320kbps down to 128 abr? I'm sure it's simple just can't see how.

[Kurtnoise]

I tried it and it didn't work with avi input.It just popped a dos screen that disappered instantly.

What are your thoughts?
Post your logfile...

Could someone explain to me ( awesome software / gui btw ) how to convert a batch from say 320kbps down to 128 abr? I'm sure it's simple just can't see how.
1/ File --> Open and select all your input files.
2/ Click on mp3 tab and select bitrate Mode with 128kbps. The slidebar is helpful.
3/ Click on "Start Processing" to run the process.

BeLight 0.22xxx is required. (try the daily build first).

@All: a new build will be out very soon...

[Kurtnoise]

No.... yet.... :(
Could you or someone else test the last build ? Thanks..

I wouldn´t have bothered u without trying all options... That´s what I think is weird. Because I set a new name for the output file in Save..., no errors there (msgs or long abnormal filenames), but it ends up being the same as the input. Maybe I´m the only one getting this.
It should be ok now in the last daily build.

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=241#r241

[Skelsgard]

It should be ok now in the last daily build.
Great. I´ll test the s**t out of it... :)
Did u enabled the .mux input features? cause I was hoping to beta-test it also with large files (> 2Gb), and using the .mux format allows me to keep the different-channel WAVs < 1Gb, therefore not bugging DirectShow.
A workaround to large files could be to enable .avs input. I´ve opened with .avs scripts all the large files that DirectShow used to choked on (but I´m not a coder myself, don´t know if this would require too much unnecessary code rewriting to be achievable).

[BigDid]

ok...for those who have some troubles with resizing issue, please test the last daily build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=238#r238). I hope it's ok now...
@BigDid : your request is done...
Ougada Youplaboum thanks :) Will test ASAP

Did

[Caroliano]

Could you or someone else test the last build ? Thanks..
Same problem.... :(

You already searched why with these newer builds is possible to maximize the window and with the old beta 8 for example is not? When it is runing ok (no resizing problem) it is maximizeable?

[ron spencer]

works for me

[Kurtnoise]

@Ron Spencer : did you have the resizing issue before ?

@Caroliano : of course I checked...:rolleyes:

[Kurtnoise]

Did u enabled the .mux input features?
no, sorry.

[ron spencer]

@Kurtnoise...no I have NEVER had any resizing issue...I think I posted this way back. Only issue I ever had was the quality delimiters moving around in a weird way when I did a manual resize...this was fixed months ago though. I use XP pro if that helps.

[neo squidward]

This GUI is a lot easier to understand than the original thanks for making it. I think a useful feature would be to have it recognize that if the input is not a wav then it should convert frame rate using ota instead of soundtouch.

[Skelsgard]

Resuming (new compile):
- on AC3 input, the Delay is set automatically to 5 ms and the DRC to Enabled. After disabling, the DRC and Delay are enabled back whenever u click within the file list window but mouse-over does nothing, so I´m able to move the mouse without a problem (so I don´t care...).
- on WAV input, the DRC is disabled whenever u click within the file list window (but this is no issue since WAVs have no DRC :)).
- when manul Gain enabled, Normalize gets greyed (can´t be enabled), and when Gain is disabled, Gain itslef is greyed, but Normalize is de-greyed.
Enabling and disabling Normalize de-greys Gain minor issue (wouldn´t call it a bug).
- kudos to the manual Gain anyway (uhuu!!).
- the channel mapping works great, no need to remap for HE-AAC :D.
- resizing OK. Stays resized after close. No crashing or bugging after re-starting resized.
- i´ll test full movie-length files when .mux enabled (or .avs support :D).
- 5.1 WAV from 5.1 AC3 not happening. Settings are WAV 16bits 5.1 Wave, no DRC, no Delay, everything disabled on azid but Gain: 2dB (but CLI says "-azid( -s stereo -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -d 5 )").
Command line from BeLight reports this:
BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\Audio\Hitchhiker Dolby EX 5.1.ac3" -output "C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\Audio\Hitchhiker Dolby EX 5.1.ogg" -logfile "C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\Audio\Hitchhiker Dolby EX 5.1.log" ) -azid( -s stereo -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -d 5 ) -ogg( -q 0.200 -6ch 1 )
And Log reports:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).

Keep the good work!!

[Kurtnoise]

Same problem.... :(
test me (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/test_build.zip)...

- on AC3 input, the Delay is set automatically to 5 ms
well...if you input filename has a 5ms value, it's completely normal.

- when manul Gain enabled, Normalize gets greyed (can´t be enabled), and when Gain is disabled, Gain itslef is greyed, but Normalize is de-greyed.
We can't use both normalize + Manual Gain. That's why you need to choose either manual gain switch or normalize.

- 5.1 WAV from 5.1 AC3 not happening.
indeed...it's fixed.

I think a useful feature would be to have it recognize that if the input is not a wav then it should convert frame rate using ota instead of soundtouch.
Indeed...it's on my todo list. :)

[Skelsgard]

Hitchhiker Dolby EX 5.1.ac3
The name doesn´t have a "Delay_5ms" structure to be detected. Unless the "5.1" is interpreted as a delay....?

We can't use both normalize + Manual Gain. That's why you need to choose either manual gain switch or normalize.
I know, the thing is (forget about Normalize in this) if I enable Gain and then I disable it, the Gain is greyed (it goes from selectable, click once --> enabled, click again --> disabled and greyed). THEN I enable Normalize and disable it back, and the Gain is de-greyed (I just enable/disable Normalize to get the Gain de-greyed).

[Caroliano]

test me (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/test_build.zip)...
Fixed in this build! :D

[ron spencer]

Is this an official Build?

[sillKotscha]

Will the GUI problem ever be fixed ???

unfortunately no... :(

test me (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/test_build.zip)...

and now you've fixed it :)

it is finally a nice gui again, well the gui was always nice looking but you know what I mean :)

thank you for your time investigating into BeLight!

Sill

[Kurtnoise]

Is this an official Build?
No...I would like to add new goodies before. Maybe a new beta this weekend.

[Caroliano]

I'm curious: what was the problem? Was something very dumb but hard to find or was something more complex?

And now it still has the maximization button, and when I use that it only move to the upper left of the screen, don't maximize or nothing. But that is not a big deal.

:thanks: for all the hard work.

[Kurtnoise]

As you can see, the problem comes from Maximize. So, for the moment this is disabled. Don't know how to solve this. *__*

btw, here is a preview of the eta section which will be included in the next releases :
http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight_ETA.png

Sounds good, isn't it ? :D

[setarip_old]

Will the next release re-incorporate/re-activate the ability to extract audisotreams from .AVIs?

[tebasuna51]

No...I would like to add new goodies before. Maybe a new beta this weekend.
Only a few lines in last daily builds, but for new beta here is the spanish.ini:
http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/burgosrosa/spanish.zip

[Kurtnoise]

Will the next release re-incorporate/re-activate the ability to extract audisotreams from .AVIs?
BeSweet doesn't need to extract audio streams from AVI. But yes, It's planned...

tebasuna: thanks dude...:)

[Max Fugitive Payne]

I'm using Belight 0.22 beta 8. I'm trying to encode 6 channel ac3 to 6 channel aac. I've got a winamp version 5.12. I have overwrite the old enc_aacplus.dll with a new one from the winamp plugins folder.

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch by dimzon, Build Sep 14 2005, 11:26:19

Logging start : 01/11/06 , 17:52:37.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output E:\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms_2.aac -logfile E:\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -cbr 128 -v 2 -6chnew ) -ota( -d 0 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 01/11/06 , 17:52:37.


But stereo conversion works fine.

[Kurtnoise]

It seems that the new winamp's dll doesn't support multichannel streams anymore...

[setarip_old]

@Kurtnoise13BeSweet doesn't need to extract audio streams from AVI.Please clarify, as I don't understand your reply. Version 0.21 of BeLight (in conjunction with BeSweet) allows for extracting the audiostream from .AVIs, while v.0.22beta8 does not.

I was just asking if this ability will be re-instated, to which you've answered, "But yes, It's planned..."

[Kurtnoise]

Please clarify, as I don't understand your reply. Version 0.21 of BeLight (in conjunction with BeSweet) allows for extracting the audiostream from .AVIs, while v.0.22beta8 does not.
Demuxing means that we extract each streams from the container. However, BeSweet doesn't extract each streams because with this own plugin it is able to find the first audio stream directly.

Re-installing is not the appropriate term because 0.21 and 0.22 branches are completely different in the code. Especially running process. So, I try to make my best. Stay tuned.

[setarip_old]

Thanks for the clarification ;>}

[Kurtnoise]

hehehe guys....A new build is up. I spent a lot of time to include lst & mux files. With my tests all seems to be ok. So, don't forget VOBInput.dll if you want to test it.

Keep in mind that some tunings are needed. This is not finished.

There are also some enhancements concerning eta.

Enjoy (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=244#r244) !!!

[Kurtnoise]

This GUI is a lot easier to understand than the original thanks for making it. I think a useful feature would be to have it recognize that if the input is not a wav then it should convert frame rate using ota instead of soundtouch.
Done...Check the link above. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

As promise, a new beta is out.

changelog:
-Add LST & MUX files support.
-Add Parametric Stereo for AAC Presets.
-Add Nero dlls detection. If they are available then BeLight copies them automatically to his own folder.
-Add a function to find Nero dlls version. If dlls belong to Nero 7 then ND PS-AAC Presets are enabled otherwise this is disabled.
-Add a Manual Gain option.
-Add "Go to" functions in Options Menu.
-Add Japanese, Greek, German, Nederlands and Italian languages.
-Rewrite & Improve BeLight ETA section.
-Update some Presets.
-Update some BeSweet libraries.
-Update Command Line Part.
-Fix some bugs.

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=245#r245

Roadmap for the next releases:
Add AVI & VOB files support.
Finish properly the Job List.
Add upmix and BeSplit functions.
Add Open with...in the shell.

[sillKotscha]

thank you for the new build... nice features added :)

and before someone asks (as I did :D )


- There are 3 packages now at CoreCodec.org (Normal, Lancer and P4). The main difference between these 3 builds comes from libvorbis. The Normal version corresponds to normal libvorbis.dll, Lancer bundle is optimized for speed without loose quality and P4 version refers to libvorbis.dll optimized for Pentium4 core. In addition, all versions use AoTuv enhancements.

[Kurtnoise]

and before someone asks (as I did :D )
and this is also mentioned in my 1st post in this thread...:)

[Skelsgard]

what´s the difference between the .exe´s and the .zip?

[Kurtnoise]

.zip contains only BeLight whereas .exe files are installers with BeLight+BeSweet+some dlls.

[Skelsgard]

that´s what I thought. I was just about to test the new release.
With .mux enabled (:D )!!!

[deets]

love the new beta, made it nice and simple to install and work on my other machines. many thanks :)

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Nero 7 Encoder still doesn't work with Beta-9
And I got an A/V error on quitting BeLight

[ron spencer]

thanks

[Kurtnoise]

Nero 7 Encoder still doesn't work with Beta-9
And I got an A/V error on quitting BeLight
blame yourself to not have given more details...:mad:

Is it too complicated to post a logfile at least ?

[mazzo85]

this version work with nero's 7 DLL??

[Kurtnoise]

of course...

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Sorry, but it's the same error as before:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_Nero7WA.dll by dimzon, Build Nov 10 2005, 14:35:28

Logging start : 01/14/06 , 17:33:46.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Temp\Ansicht X - BassBox.wav -output C:\Temp\Ansicht X - BassBox.mp4 -logfile C:\Temp\Ansicht X - BassBox.log ) -azid( -s stereo -L -3db ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -2ch -vbr_normal -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc -exportaac ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Temp\Ansicht X - BassBox.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Temp\Ansicht X - BassBox.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 01/14/06 , 17:33:46.




Worst thing is: BeLight "thinks" conversion was completed successfully...

BTW: The commandline front-end for the Nero Encoder works without any probs.

[buzzqw]

using belight 0.22 beta 9 plus

Aac.dll -> version 3.0.0.7 (nero 7)
aacenc32.dll -> version 4.2.2.3 (nero 7)

and the same command line i got NO errors

D:\Programmi\Audio\BeLight>BeSweet.exe -core( -input aaa.ac3 -output c:\BassBox.mp4 ) -azid( -s stereo -L -3db ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -2ch -vbr_normal -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc -exportaac ) -ota( -g max )
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_Nero7WA.dll by dimzon, Build Nov 10 2005, 14:35:28

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : aaa.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: c:\BassBox.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 8.913dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 2/0, Bitrate: 192kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:21:376] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:04:000] <-- Transcoding Duration


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