BeLight 0.22 beta 8 released

[Chris Benoit]

By extreme did you mean "heavy"?

Well anyway i tried buth normal and heavy but the resulted audio had the same volume as the source.Then i tried ligh and there was a significant boost,although the audio seemed kind of unnatural,like some noises were heard.

What should i do?

EDIT:Oh,and what's the option mix audio into existing video .mp4 track?So if i have some video .mp4 named like the mp3 it would mux the audio in?

So if i have a.mp4 b.mp4 and c.mp4 and i have to encode a.mp3 b.mp3 and c.mp3 after the encoding the programm will mux them into the corresponing video .mp4?

[Kurtnoise]

By extreme did you mean "heavy"?
mmh, yeah.

Well anyway i tried buth normal and heavy but the resulted audio had the same volume as the source.Then i tried ligh and there was a significant boost,although the audio seemed kind of unnatural,like some noises were heard.

What should i do?
Once again...boost presets must be applied with only wav files as input.

EDIT:Oh,and what's the option mix audio into existing video .mp4 track?So if i have some video .mp4 named like the mp3 it would mux the audio in?
if you have a video track with the same name as your input audio file AND if it's a mp4 file then yes...But I don't know whether it works with Nero 7 dlls. This option works only for AAC.

[Chris Benoit]

mmh, yeah.


Once again...boost presets must be applied with only wav files as input.

Yes but the dynamics compression didn't do anything!What other choices do i have to increase volume in a significant amount without quality loss?

if you have a video track with the same name as your input audio file AND if it's a mp4 file then yes...But I don't know whether it works with Nero 7 dlls. This option works only for AAC.

Yes that's te way i intend to use it.So i need to have a video mp4 in the same directory and then the encoded aac will be muxed into the video automatically?

[Kurtnoise]

Yes but the dynamics compression didn't do anything!What other choices do i have to increase volume in a significant amount without quality loss?
try an other preset... :p


Yes that's te way i intend to use it.So i need to have a video mp4 in the same directory and then the encoded aac will be muxed into the video automatically?
yes it should be.

[Sharktooth]

Kurt, can you please fix the interface in the next builds?

[Kurtnoise]

I'll try...this is my 1st priority. The problem is : I can't reproduce this bug with my materials...

[Sharktooth]

it has to be some properties in the main form.
resizing it to impossible sizes tends to show the undisplayed controls.
i've got the sources and installed delphi7 personal... but it seems it lacks some external controls or to be an incorrect version.

[Kurtnoise]

you must have D7 Pro or Ent...Personal Edition doesn't support unicode components.

[Sharktooth]

well... personal is free... pro or ent isn't...

[Chris Benoit]

Kurt as for the boost mode,you said it's best if the sound is wav right?So if i encode an mp3 into wav and then use boost mode will i be ok?Cause i'm demux audio from videos as wav,so would it be suitable to use the boost mode?

[Kurtnoise]

if you want to keep your mp3, you can try mp3gain. Otherwise, yes. Transcode a mp3 into wav will be ok for the boost.

[Chris Benoit]

But its's not going to remain wav,it's going to be encoded to aac!

Is boost recommended for wav 2 wav conversions or wav 2 whatever?Meaning that only thing that matters is that its a wav input,no matter what the output will be...

[Kurtnoise]

wav 2 whatever yes...

[Chris Benoit]

Ok thanx i'll try it then.

[Kalisto]

Hi,
is possible to do lossless file audio, with this aplication?

Thanks.

[nexus]

Hi,
is possible to do lossless file audio, with this aplication?Sure, just use a lossless codec, e.g. WAV. ;)

[Kurtnoise]

well...wav is not really a lossless format.

@Kalisto: no, it's not possible for the moment.

[nexus]

well...wav is not really a lossless format. Hm, why it isn't? (Thought 16bit PCM is used?)

[Kurtnoise]

wav format is more or less a "container"...You can store mp3 or ac3 in wav you know. Of course, most of the time you have pcm stream in wav files which uses an uncompressed method. But this is not very efficient if you compare the results with some other lossless formats (wavpack, monkey's, flac, etc...)

[nexus]

I meant the WAV/PCM tab in BeLight (which is the only possibility to encode lossless with BeLight as far as i know). ;)

[LoRd_MuldeR]

There is something that makes me crazy :angry:

I was using the Nero AAC Encoder very often. Most times in BeLight, somteimes in BeSweet from command-line. And it always worked fine. Until yesterday! I encoded one file and everything was alright. Then I tried to encode another file and Wooooshhhhhh. I doesn't work any longer! I get those "error configuring bsn" error each time. How can this be? I did not change anything at all. Not one bit! Encoding one file: works. Encoding second file: does not work. And now it does not work, for any file. Even for files i encoded minutes before. Encoding doesn't work in BeLight (it says encoding completed after one second, but encoding was *not* completed) and it doesn't work if I run BeSweet directly.

I cannot understand this :confused:

I alread tried to re-install everything, but no success :(

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll replacement v0.02 by dimzon (dimzon541@gmail.com).

Logging start : 12/25/05 , 16:10:05.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Temp\X.wav -output C:\Temp\X.mp4 -logfile C:\Temp\X.log ) -bsn( -2ch -vbr_extreme -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Temp\X.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Temp\X.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 12/25/05 , 16:10:05.


For Info: I use latest BeLight daily build with latest Nero 7 DLLs. All required DLLs are there! It worked all the time before.

[Kurtnoise]

Maybe this is a serial issue ? I'll check it tonight.

[dimzon]

Maybe this is a serial issue ? I'll check it tonight.
Just use bse_Nero7WA.dll

[Kurtnoise]

You mean bse_Nero7WA.dll only ? coz I've made a quick test with Nero7 dlls :
bsn from Dg & E-male only : ok
bse_Nero7WA.dll only : doesn't work
bsn from Dizmon only : doesn't work
bsn from Dg & E-male + bse_Nero7WA.dll : ok
bsn from Dimzon + bse_Nero7WA.dll : doesn't work

So, what's wrong ?

[dimzon]

You need original bsn.dll (forget dimzon's bsn - it is obsolete since dedicated -dimzon switch) + bse_Nero7WA.dll
and you must call Nero7 encoder via -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll ... ) always

[Kurtnoise]

aa I see. Thanks for clarifications.

[deets]

Error 84: error configuring bsn!

ive just started getting this error as well, no joy in sorting it out at all, driving me up the wall !

:)

[Kurtnoise]

:script: :search:

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Error 84: error configuring bsn!

ive just started getting this error as well, no joy in sorting it out at all, driving me up the wall !

:)

I have the same problem with BeSweet/BeLight. Came up suddenly. I still don't understand !!!
Hope they will fix that (see posts above).

Nevertheless there is another command-line front-end for the Nero Encoder, which works fine for me.
Maybe you'll give this one a try:
http://www.rarewares.org/files/aac/nero_fends.rar

[Kurtnoise]

You need bsn.dll from the last BeSweet package (http://dspguru.doom9.net) + bse_Nero7WA.dll. And it works fine...

[deets]

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 12/27/05 , 22:33:49.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\New Folder\rusty.wav -output C:\New Folder\rusty.mp4 -logfile C:\New Folder\rusty_2.log ) -bsn( -2ch -vbr_normal -aacprofile_lc ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\New Folder\rusty.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\New Folder\rusty.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 12/27/05 , 22:33:50.


thats my log file, using besweet 1.5b31 dll's and + bse_Nero7WA.dll

[LoRd_MuldeR]

@deets:

dimzon said "and you must call Nero7 encoder via -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll ... ) always"

Seems like you didn't do that...

[LoRd_MuldeR]

The changelog sais that Nero's AAC Encoder supports Parametric Stereo since Version 7.0.1.2. Is there a way to use PS mode with the Nero encoder in BeSweet/BeLight?

[Sharktooth]

PS is automatically enabled so you dont need to specify it.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

PS is automatically enabled so you dont need to specify it.

Allright. Do you know when it will be enabled? (always in HE mode or below a certain bitrate)

[Sharktooth]

it gets enabled around 50kbps... cant remember exactly though.

[BigDid]

Continuing the discussion from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=759244#post759244 (thanks to dragongodz)

Summary: from my tests, the Belight/Besweet -ota gain modes are still much lower than original ac3.
Tebasuna51 quantify this as-6db overall volume decrease. I will try 8.035db +6 = 14db and search for distorsion or artefacts (I tried manually +11db with ac3machine on that sample and seems ok)

Could you consider implementing a manual gain command in Belight? thank you.

Did

[Kurtnoise]

Summary: from my tests, the Belight/Besweet -ota gain modes are still much lower than original ac3.
Tebasuna51 quantify this as-6db overall volume decrease. I will try 8.035db +6 = 14db and search for distorsion or artefacts (I tried manually +11db with ac3machine on that sample and seems ok)
And ?

Could you consider implementing a manual gain command in Belight? thank you.
I'll think about it...next year. ;)

[Skelsgard]

Some issues with HE-AAC on Nero Digital mode:
a 1:48:46 HMS audio track 6-ch 48kHz 16bits, creates bad audio (played with ffdshow and Winamp) no matter what options I use.
These are clips made with HE profile (all 20 seconds each):
1) encoding 1h48m36s WAV from 1m50s to 2m10s with these options:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 01/01/06 , 22:55:43.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac.wav -output C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_1.mp4 -logfile C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_5.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -cbr 224 -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he ) -split( -start 110 -end 130 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_1.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: cbr 192
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:000] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/01/06 , 22:55:53.
Final file: 3.6Gb (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-BeLight-source_3670Mb(Encode 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).mp4)

2) encoding a 2m30s WAV entirely, and then splitting a 20 seconds clip:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 01/01/06 , 23:04:26.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav -output C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed_1.mp4 -logfile C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed_1.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -cbr 224 -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed_1.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: cbr 192
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:02:30:000] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:42:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/01/06 , 23:05:08.
Results: Full Encode (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-BeLight-source_82Mb(Full Encode - Splitted 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).mp4)

3) the same 2m30s WAV, but encoding 20s from 1m50s to 2m10s:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 01/01/06 , 23:02:27.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav -output C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.mp4 -logfile C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -cbr 224 -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he ) -split( -start 110 -end 130 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Athlon XP\Mis documentos\hitch_aac_fixed.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: cbr 192
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:20:000] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:09:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/01/06 , 23:02:36.
Partial Encode 82Mb (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-BeLight-source_82Mb(Encode 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).mp4)

4) The same 2m30s WAV, encoded with AACEnc32 (-cbr 224 -lowpass 24000):
Aacenc32 output (http://mcaudio.byethost33.com/samples/hitch-AACEnc32-source_82Mb(Full Encode - Splitted 0h-01m-50s to 0h-02m-10m).m4a)

Is there a bug related to this?

Also, how come there isn´t a option to set the output file´s name to other than the source´s name with differente extension?

[Kurtnoise]

Is there a bug related to this?
Dunno but it doesn't concern BeLight...

Also, how come there isn´t a option to set the output file´s name to other than the source´s name with differente extension?
what do you mean by different extension ?

[Skelsgard]

Dunno but it doesn't concern BeLight...
Then is it within bsn.dll or even BeSweet?

what do you mean by different extension ?
sorry, different file type (translation mistake).
As in audio.wav --> audio.mp3, but no audio.wav ---> whatever-name-I-would-like-to-use.mp3

[Kurtnoise]

Then is it within bsn.dll or even BeSweet?
try directly with Nero Bundle...if you have the same issue with it, your input file might be the problem. Otherwise if all seems to be ok then BeSweet can be the problem.

sorry, different file type (translation mistake).
As in audio.wav --> audio.mp3, but no audio.wav ---> whatever-name-I-would-like-to-use.mp3
Well...select your file in the checklist box then select File/Save..in the Menu entry.

[Skelsgard]

Well...select your file in the checklist box then select File/Save..in the Menu entry.
I did. I wouldn´t have bothered u without trying all options... That´s what I think is weird. Because I set a new name for the output file in Save..., no errors there (msgs or long abnormal filenames), but it ends up being the same as the input. Maybe I´m the only one getting this.
Also, when using AC3 sources the Dynamic Compression checkbox always gets checked back to On (Normal) after I de-select it and move the mouse inside of the "file-list window" and back. If mouse position doesn´t enter that window-thingy, the checkbox doesn´t change the selection.

Edited:
found the trashed compression issue on incorrect dll´s versions (aac.dll was not from the last release, a copy-paste glitch when updating/moving some folders). Sorry.

[Kurtnoise]

mmh ok. I'll check out. Thanks for the bugreport.

[Kurtnoise]

ok...for those who have some troubles with resizing issue, please test the last daily build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=238#r238). I hope it's ok now...


@BigDid : your request is done...

[nexus]

Hi, what exactly is the difference between bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 1 and bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 2?

As i know ist
aac+ v1 = aac + sbr
and
aac+ v2 = aac + sbr + ps

But parametric stereo is only availlable in stereo mode.

[Caroliano]

ok...for those who have some troubles with resizing issue, please test the last daily build. I hope it's ok now...
No.... yet.... :(

[Kurtnoise]

Hi, what exactly is the difference between bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 1 and bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 2?
This stands for the core encoder. Either v1 or v2 are available. With v2 you can achieve Parametric Stereo.

But parametric stereo is only availlable in stereo mode.
yes...for multichannel only sbr part is used with both versions.

[Kurtnoise]

No.... yet.... :(
booo... so I need to check again.

[nexus]

So bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 1 and bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -v 2 does exactly the same? (Just to be sure, because i read somewhere that v2 has a different way to modulate)