BeLight 0.22 beta 8 released [Archive] - Page 2

LoRd_MuldeR

17th January 2006, 20:10

1) With the latest build BeLight again says "Convertion completed" although this is not true.

2) I did some testing with Dependency Walker an I found two problems. First one are some missing Exports in KERNEL32.DLL:

(...)
DllMain(0x00370000, DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH, 0x00000000) in "BSE_NERO7WA.DLL" called.
GetProcAddress(0x77E40000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "InitializeCriticalSectionAndSpinCount") called from "BSE_NERO7WA.DLL" at address 0x00374F29 and returned 0x77E5DE5E.
GetProcAddress(0x77E40000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsAlloc") called from "BSE_NERO7WA.DLL" at address 0x0037239F and returned NULL. Error: Die angegebene Prozedur wurde nicht gefunden (127).
GetProcAddress(0x77E40000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsGetValue") called from "BSE_NERO7WA.DLL" at address 0x003723AC and returned NULL. Error: Die angegebene Prozedur wurde nicht gefunden (127).
GetProcAddress(0x77E40000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsSetValue") called from "BSE_NERO7WA.DLL" at address 0x003723B9 and returned NULL. Error: Die angegebene Prozedur wurde nicht gefunden (127).
GetProcAddress(0x77E40000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsFree") called from "BSE_NERO7WA.DLL" at address 0x003723C6 and returned NULL. Error: Die angegebene Prozedur wurde nicht gefunden (127).
(...)

Furthermore I found out that AAC.DLL has an import from MFC71.DLL, which was missing. So I copied the MFC71.DLL over from Nero folder and now it seems to work. Finally !!!

:-) :-) :-)

Don't know what's the problem with KERNEL32.DLL, but it doesn't seem to do any harm. I now think BeLight shuld check for MFC71.DLL, because this file IS required!

Kurtnoise

17th January 2006, 20:39

Don't know what's the problem with KERNEL32.DLL, but it doesn't seem to do any harm. I now think BeLight shuld check for MFC71.DLL, because this file IS required!
not BeLight but probably some others dlls for BeSweet.

BeLight is developped in Delphi. So, there aren't mfc dependencies...

Kurtnoise

17th January 2006, 20:41

you have an idea on official release of 0.22?
fortunately no...

All in all, the 1st post in this thread has some explanations to start well I think...

LoRd_MuldeR

17th January 2006, 20:47

not BeLight but probably some others dlls for BeSweet.

BeLight is developped in Delphi. So, there aren't mfc dependencies...

It is the AAC.DLL (this means the Nero encoder) that requires MFC71.DLL
So there should be a warning in BeLight, since MFC71.DLL has to be in the folder or Nero encoder won't work!

Kurtnoise

17th January 2006, 20:53

Did you check Common Files/Ahead folder to see if this dll is there ?

LoRd_MuldeR

17th January 2006, 21:22

Did you check Common Files/Ahead folder to see if this dll is there ?

MFC71.DLL is in the Common Files\Ahead\Lib folder as well as in Nero\Core
But it has to be copied to the BeSweet folder. Otherwise I get this error I had all the time (faild configure bsn). When used in BeSweet AAC.DLL seems *not* to be able to load MFC71.DLL from the Common Files\Ahead\Lib. With MFC71.DLL in BeSweet folder it works :)

tedgo

18th January 2006, 22:33

LoRd_MuldeR

18th January 2006, 23:45

@LoRd_MuldeR
Thank you!
I got exactly the same error, but copying the MFC71.DLL from Common Files\Ahead\Lib to BeLight-folder solved the problem.
Would be great if BeLight could automatically check for MFC71.DLL, because it really seems to be needed.

EDIT:
It also works when copied to WINDOWS\system32-folder.
It may be the reason for a working Nero-plugin in BeLight on some machines (when MFC71.DLL is already there).

Okay, but I don't think it's a good thing if BeLight depends on some DLLs in the Windows dir. It's much better to have a complete installation with all required DLLs in the install-folder. So I believe BeLight must check for MFC71.DLL. There's no other way...

Kurtnoise

19th January 2006, 10:38

Check or Copy ? What do you prefer ?

Here is my point of view for a future release :
1/ BeLight checks in Windows/system32 dir whether mfc71.dll is there. If "true" then exit else then 2/.
2/ BeLight checks in Common Files/Ahead/Lib then copies mfc71.dll in Windows/System32 dir.

Copy the dll in Windows/System32 dir is more safer I think. because some other apps could be dependent of this...

tedgo

19th January 2006, 10:52

Your "point of view" sounds good ;)
And i also think it is better to copy the dll to WINDOWS\system32 instead of the belight-folder.

LoRd_MuldeR

19th January 2006, 19:34

Your "point of view" sounds good ;)
And i also think it is better to copy the dll to WINDOWS\system32 instead of the belight-folder.

If you copy the MFC71.DLL that comes with Nero to the System32 dir, all applications will use it. I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Maybe there're different builds of that DLL and some applications don't "like" the one that comes with Nero. Don't know, but possible problems should be avoided...

tedgo

19th January 2006, 22:36

Version 7.10.3077.0 shipped with nero is the latest "official" MFC71.DLL from March 2003.
I don't think that some applications won't like it.

Btw. the program "VH Screen Capture Driver" http://www.hmelyoff.com/index.php?section=1 also depends on this dll and works good with the nero-shipped version.

thana

20th January 2006, 01:19

a small cosmetical bug in beta9: when processing multiple files in a queue, the total% bar works only for the first file, after that it displays always 0.00%

Kolich

20th January 2006, 09:29

Kurtnoise13,
I tried to create MP4 with HEAAC. As it mentioned it a ISO_IEC_14496-3_2001_Amd_1_2003_PDF_version_(en)_038148_CPDF.pdf ,
The High Efficiency AAC Profile contains the audio object types 5 (SBR) and 2(AAC LC). So first 5 bits in AudioSpecificConfig should te 5 for HEAAC for right handling of extensions (ext ObjType, ext Freq & Freq Index). And BeLight writes 2 to this field.

Kurtnoise

20th January 2006, 10:08

@Kolich: don't blame me for that...I'm not an AAC dev. What kind of Encoder engine did you use ?

@thana: if i remember (yeah, I sleep...:)), this is fixed in the last daily build.

Kolich

20th January 2006, 10:37

Kurtnoise13,
i used NeroDigital.

FAAC places files to unknown destination:)

3gp and WinAmp do not produces HEAAC, as i see.

Kurtnoise

22nd January 2006, 16:44

LoRd_MuldeR

22nd January 2006, 19:27

winamp is able to produce heaac stream...

@All: a new build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=247#r247) for testing.

+ Added mfc71.dll detection.
+ Some tweakings & tunings. I hope you like them...:)

Just tested the new build and I got the following problem:

Tried to convert a list of PCM Wave Files to OGG Vorbis. Within seconds BeLight showed all files as beeing converted successfully and also showed the final "Transcoding finished" messages. Only now BeLight startet to convert the first file. For this file the progressbar was correct. But after the first file no other files were converted! Nevertheless for each Wave file a .ogg file had been created. But all .ogg files, except the first one, were unplayable 3 KB files...

Kurtnoise

22nd January 2006, 20:24

Strange...how many input files exactly ?

LoRd_MuldeR

22nd January 2006, 20:30

Strange...how many input files exactly ?
14 files

Just tried to convert those files to MP3. Now I got 14 .mp3 files, but each file, except the last one, only contains the first ~12 secondes of the track...

Kurtnoise

22nd January 2006, 20:35

I'll check why...but this is stange coz I haven't changed something in this part.

Could you test with 3-4 files with the beta 9, please ?

LoRd_MuldeR

22nd January 2006, 21:00

I'll check why...but this is stange coz I haven't changed something in this part.

Could you test with 3-4 files with the beta 9, please ?
Okay. I've now tested in Beta-9 without any daily builds.

14 files: Does *not* work (only one files was converted correctly, some converted files are "empty" and some files were not converted at all)
3 files: All three files converted successfully (but total progressbar didn't work)

LoRd_MuldeR

22nd January 2006, 21:03

And I just noticed: When I add more than one file via Drag&Drop I get an "List out of Bounds" error

Kurtnoise

23rd January 2006, 01:05

ok...thanks for your tests.

Tima

23rd January 2006, 01:25

If I want to convert audio '25000 -> 23976', should it be done via OTA or via SOUNDTOUCH settings?

Kurtnoise

23rd January 2006, 01:58

soundtouch...

Tima

23rd January 2006, 02:19

soundtouch...
I think so too. ;) But BeLight generates this commandline:
"C:\Bin\BeLight\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "E:\DVD\Pr_Island\project T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -24ms.ac3" -output "E:\DVD\Pr_Island\project T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -24ms.ogg" -logfile "E:\DVD\Pr_Island\project T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -24ms.log" ) -azid( -n1 -s stereo -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -d -24 -hybridgain -r 25000 23976 ) -ogg( -q 0.600 )
When I additionaly check 'Tempo' checkbox and set it to 0, I get this:
"C:\Bin\BeLight\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "E:\DVD\Pr_Island\project T03 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -24ms.ac3" -output "E:\DVD\Pr_Island\project T03 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -24ms.ogg" -logfile "E:\DVD\Pr_Island\project T03 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -24ms.log" ) -azid( -n1 -s stereo -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -d -24 -hybridgain -r 25000 23976 ) -ogg( -q 0.600 ) -soundtouch( -r 25000 23976 -tempo 0 )

Kurtnoise

23rd January 2006, 15:09

I think so too. ;) But BeLight generates this commandline:

When I additionaly check 'Tempo' checkbox and set it to 0, I get this:
fixed...

@Lord_Mulder: could you try with the last daily build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=250#r250) ? thanks...

Tima

23rd January 2006, 15:28

fixed...

Thanks. :)

But now I get this:
"C:\Bin\BeLight\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "" -output "" -logfile "" ) -azid( -n1 -s stereo -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -hybridgain -r 25000 23976 ) -ogg( -q 0.600 )
But you said it should be done via soundtouch, not ota..

Kurtnoise

23rd January 2006, 16:36

yep, because there is no place in BeLight OTA's part for that that why it's included in soundtouch. The more important thing is the command line. ;-)

LoRd_MuldeR

23rd January 2006, 18:49

This time the BeLight log file told me "Error occured" and "Check logfile for more info". Again only one Wave file was converted to Ogg. For some of the other files a .log file was created, but those log files were completely empty. Fore some reason with only three files on the list it works fine.

And the "List out of bounds" error is still there...

Tima

23rd January 2006, 19:31

yep, because there is no place in BeLight OTA's part for that that why it's included in soundtouch. The more important thing is the command line. ;-)
Ok.

By the way, in DSPGuru's guide ( http://dspguru.notrace.dk/soundtouch.html ) we also have a -r switch for Soundtouch and it also 'Convert frame rate without changing pitch' . What's the difference between -r in ota and -r in soundtouch then? :)

Kurtnoise

23rd January 2006, 20:12

For wav files sountouch is used whereas others files this is ota command.

Basically, there is no difference...but ota doesn't support all values. Check the FAQ for further infos.

LoRd_MuldeR

25th January 2006, 01:56

Kurtnoise

25th January 2006, 11:30

Try the new one (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=256#r256)...

LoRd_MuldeR

25th January 2006, 19:08

sorry, but the problem still isn't fixed...

With all files on the list once again only one file was converted correctly. The other files were converted in parts (the first ~10 seconds of the song only), so those output files are of no use. And one files was not converted at all. This time BeLight did not write any errors to it's log... Still with three files on the list there's no error.

iceborne

26th January 2006, 02:55

It seems that the new winamp's dll doesn't support multichannel streams anymore...

seems that the new winamp5.2 (beta), recently downloaded from
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=236311
supports 5.1 multichannel again. i copied
the new enc_aacplus.dll to belight's directory and it seems to work.
i can't confirmed if the channels are mapped correctly but here's the log file"

Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch by dimzon, Build Sep 14 2005, 11:26:19

Logging start : 01/25/06 , 23:22:04.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\6.ac3 -output C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\6.aac -logfilea C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\6.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll -cbr 96 -v 2 -6chnew ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\6.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\6.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 2.959dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:02:31:872] Conversion Completed !
[00:01:40:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/25/06 , 23:23:44.

as you can see, it still seems to work with dimzon bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch plugin.
kurtnoise, will belight just work as is with the new winamp plugin or does anything in belight need to be modified for it to fully work?
i want to backup some of my dvds but don't know if i should use the new winamp plugin or the old one included in your package.

thanks in advance

Kurtnoise

26th January 2006, 09:14

will belight just work as is with the new winamp plugin or does anything in belight need to be modified for it to fully work?
It works fine with the new dll but you can't access to the new things (mPEG2/MPEG4 bitstream and mp4 container...).

iceborne

26th January 2006, 09:42

but otherwise, do you think they're made advances in the codec in terms of audio quality since the one in your package?

and how can i access the "new things", through editing the besweet cli?

or do you think dimzon can supply a new bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll?
i thought he was updating it based on

21st September 2005, 17:19:
[Kurtnoise13
I'm still working on my bse_* plugins.
the latest news are:
no more separate bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll for 5.1 encoding - merged into bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll
bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll now produce AAC with MPEG4 ADTS header (Nic's AACPatch merged into bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll) by default
bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll renamed to bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll
no more enhAacPlusEnc.exe - reference encoder code merged directly into bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll
bse_enhAacPlusEnc.dll now with 5.1 encoding ( still produce unplayable 5.1 AAC yet)]

3dsnar

26th January 2006, 11:55

Kurtnoise. What you have done (BeLight) is great! (IMHO)

I have two questions:
1) Would you be interested in including Aud-X to BeLight?
I could provide you with DLLs for encoding and decoding.
Is there a special interface that woule be most useful for you?
2) I have implemented a pseudosurround (for our DirectShow filter),
but it might be useful for BeLight too... (so a user could convert
some stereophonic streams into 5.1 compatible streams. For example mp3
to AC3 5.1, etc).

Please let me know what do ya think.

Kurtnoise

26th January 2006, 11:57

but otherwise, do you think they're made advances in the codec in terms of audio quality since the one in your package?
I don't think so...but I might be wrong.

and how can i access the "new things", through editing the besweet cli?
you can't.

or do you think dimzon can supply a new bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll?
I hope....try to ping him. :)

Kurtnoise

26th January 2006, 11:59

1) Would you be interested in including Aud-X to BeLight?
yes why not...

Is there a special interface that woule be most useful for you?
cli might be more interesting...

3dsnar

26th January 2006, 12:19

OK, I must investigate what cli is..
Do you have some links or tips?

LoRd_MuldeR

26th January 2006, 13:31

OK, I must investigate what cli is..
Do you have some links or tips?

CLI means "Command Line Interface"
like x264.exe, lame.exe or oggenc2.exe

Usually you launch the encoder program from the GUI application and let it run in the background.
This way the user doesn't need to handle any command-line instructions...

3dsnar

26th January 2006, 13:40

OK. Thank you!

dimzon

26th January 2006, 14:02

K
2) I have implemented a pseudosurround (for our DirectShow filter),
but it might be useful for BeLight too... (so a user could convert
some stereophonic streams into 5.1 compatible streams. For example mp3
to AC3 5.1, etc).

Can you make AviSynth plugin implementing such functionality?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=48261

3dsnar

26th January 2006, 18:50

You mean pseudosurround module?
Yes, why not.
Do you have some specification of the interface of such a plugin?

Kurtnoise

27th January 2006, 20:43

@Iceborn: feel free to test it (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=776189#post776189) ;)

@Lord_Mulder: all your files are the same settings (.ie same bitrate, same channels nb, same Sampling Rate, etc...) or not ?

LoRd_MuldeR

28th January 2006, 15:20

@Lord_Mulder: all your files are the same settings (.ie same bitrate, same channels nb, same Sampling Rate, etc...) or not ?

Yes.
PCM Stereo 44KHz (from Audio CD) -> Ogg Vorbis (q=6.00)

J-Wo

29th January 2006, 21:12

Hi guys. I've been trying out the latest beta 9 (both normal and lancer version) and have run across a number of bugs. Here are my comments/questions:

1) If I drag and drop multiple files into the main window for batch processing, I get the error "List index out of bounds (1)". However if I use the Open dialog box to add the files it's okay. The latest nightly dated 1-25-06 seems to have fixed this.

2) I tried a batch encode of 4 files, but it looks like only the 4th file is being processed. The current track bar goes to 100% but once done the number displayed is 00,00%. The total bar never moves and displays 00,00%. The time elapsed and remaining all show 00:00:00 and once done I get the green arrow icon on the bottom right.

3) If I click on Start Processing again after the initial failed batch encode, I get the error message "Access violation and address 004B4BD9 in module 'Belight.exe'. Read of address 00000030". But processing runs in the background behind the error message and again the last file gets processed. The current track bar and total bar are displayed as mentioned above, but this time the time elapsed keeps increasing and time remaining gets stuck at 00:00:01 once done. But I never get the green arror, the icon is stuck at the red stop button.

4) I tried again with the latest nightly build again I get the same problems, but the type of error messages shown are different... And also sometimes only the first file in the batch list gets processed, sometimes only the last. I can't figure out why it's not completely reproduceable.

5) Whenever I try to uninstall belight 0.22 beta 9, the uninstall program says it's done but all it ever does is removes uninstall.exe

6) Can previous beta releases be downloaded? I only see beta 9 available at corecodec

Here is my log file:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 <http://www.cdex.n3.net>.

Logging start : 01/29/06 , 14:43:50.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.mp3 -output E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL_1.mp2 -logfile E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.log ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 ) -toolame( -m m -b 96 ) -core( -input E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.mp3 -output E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL_1.mp2 -logfile E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.log ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 ) -toolame( -m m -b 96 ) -core( -input E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.mp3 -output E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL_1.mp2 -logfile E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.log ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 ) -toolame( -m m -b 96 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\Movies\Battlestar Galactica\bsg_ep214_FULL_1.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +------ Shibatch -----
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] | Dest. Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] | Attenuation : 0.0db
[00:00:00:000] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP2 bitrate : 96
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Mono
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:27:25:309] Conversion Completed !
[01:27:25:309] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 48kbps
[00:01:51:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 01/29/06 , 14:45:41.

LoRd_MuldeR

30th January 2006, 01:01

1) If I drag and drop multiple files into the main window for batch processing, I get the error "List index out of bounds (1)". However if I use the Open dialog box to add the files it's okay.

2) I tried a batch encode of 4 files, but it looks like only the 4th file is being processed. The current track bar goes to 100% but once done the number displayed is 00,00%. The total bar never moves and displays 00,00%. The time elapsed and remaining all show 00:00:00 and once done I get the green arrow icon on the bottom right.

I still got the same problems, even with latest build :(

Chris Benoit

2nd February 2006, 21:26

Hey Kurt,do you know of a way to apply the boost mode in part of a file,not all of it's sequence?So let's say i want to enhance the volume the first 2 minutes and the 4 last of an audio file.

How will i be able to achieve that?

Kurtnoise

3rd February 2006, 09:54

It is possible to do that...Check in Advanced Settings Partial Encoding. but you need to boost first the 2 minutes, then the 4 last one and finally to join each parts. Not easy...

I think it could be more interesting to do that with BePipe with an avs script (Trim(), etc...)

wdmalik

9th February 2006, 19:16

why no activity .. ?
development ceased .. :(

Kurtnoise

9th February 2006, 20:27

why no activity .. ?
busy+tired+lazyness...

wdmalik

10th February 2006, 18:59

ok .. :)

Kurtnoise

10th February 2006, 19:04

I updated something...Maybe a new build this weekend. :)

wdmalik

11th February 2006, 03:19

looking forward to it

J-Wo

11th February 2006, 15:48

Kurt: Did you see my post earlier on this page? I'm wondering if you're aware of any of the bugs I've been experiencing. Thanks!

Kurtnoise

11th February 2006, 19:23

Yeah...I'm not not blind :).

ron spencer

14th February 2006, 01:05

Hah!!!

J-Wo

14th February 2006, 18:21

Kurt: okay thanks. Was just wondering how to interpret your non-response is all...

dwrbudr

19th February 2006, 19:32

Grrr! Once fixed bugs again present in the last build. This is a serious BUG. Example - Load 1.wav - View command line - Clear List. Load 2.wav - View command line - The command is still for 1.wav! Dissapointing...

Kurtnoise

19th February 2006, 21:07

fixed (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=268#r268)...:scared:

dwrbudr

20th February 2006, 08:52

Just tested the new version from the link above - still not fixed.

shon3i

20th February 2006, 13:32

@Kurtnoise13 what's hapen with this new WA_aacPlus encoder and 6ch encoding. When i use to encode ac3->aac with mpeg4 bitstream he give me file a half of time of duration ac3, when i use mpeg2 then encoding not start.

Kurtnoise

20th February 2006, 13:41

mmh, could you test with stereo output instead of 5.1 ?

@dwrbudr: indeed, sorry...it should work fine now.

shon3i

20th February 2006, 14:31

mmh, could you test with stereo output instead of 5.1 ?i want 6ch. I test later

dwrbudr

20th February 2006, 15:40

@Kurtnoise13: Where can I get the new version from? If it is from the same location as above - it is still not working. I've test it again 5 minutes ago

Kurtnoise

20th February 2006, 16:15

Not uploaded yet...

shon3i

20th February 2006, 18:19

mmh, could you test with stereo output instead of 5.1 ?I tested and Stereo works fine but 5.1 encode half duration of time. can you fix that

Kurtnoise

20th February 2006, 18:43

Fixed...update WA_aacplus.dll (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/WA_aacPlus-2.1.zip) and the last Daily Build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=269#r269) for BeLight.

shon3i

20th February 2006, 21:26

@Kurt thanks i try it later

shon3i

21st February 2006, 15:44

Fixed...update WA_aacplus.dll and the last Daily Build for BeLight.Now working fine.

dwrbudr

22nd February 2006, 22:08

Still not fixed in 20.02 build... I should fix it myself.

otherdarom

22nd February 2006, 23:47

Thread moved :

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=107749

Kurtnoise

24th February 2006, 21:03

Still not fixed in 20.02 build... I should fix it myself.
:scared: More details please...

dwrbudr

24th February 2006, 21:39

Ok. The bug is 100% reproducable so it is easy to fix. Try this:
- start BeLight.exe
- open c:\temp\1.wav
- menu Edit - View BeSweet command
- you see "C:\Tools\BeLight-0.22_beta\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Temp\1\1.wav" -output "C:\Temp\1\1.aac" -logfile "C:\Temp\1\1.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aacPlus.dll -cbr 32 -mpeg4 -mode 1 ) -ota( -g max )
- click on Copy button
- close the BeSweet command form with X button
- right click in files list
- Clear list
- open c:\2.wav
- menu Edit - View BeSweet command
- HERE you still see the command for 1.wav !

http://subs.unacs.bg/Snap2.jpg

J-Wo

26th February 2006, 02:17

Kurt: does the latest daily build support AVI input?

Kurtnoise

26th February 2006, 20:28

not yet...development has slow down these days coz I'm busy with other things (in my real life...). So don't expect to much work before April.

nickolasemp

28th February 2006, 18:15

Hello Kurtnoise13...

When I try to convert an audio file (i.e. mp3 or mpa) into winamp's aac plus v2 I get this:

Logging start : 02/28/06 , 19:10:27.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Faith Hill - There you'll be.mp3 -output C:\Faith Hill - There you'll be.aac -logfile C:\Faith Hill - There you'll be.log ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aacPlus.dll -cbr 48 -mpeg4 -mode 4 ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Faith Hill - There you'll be.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Faith Hill - There you'll be.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 02/28/06 , 19:10:27.

When I try, though, to encode in v1 everything seems ok. I cannot encode in mpeg4 as well. No matter what I put in the gui (mpeg2 or mpeg4), it encodes in mpeg2. At least that's what winamp's saying in its file info.

dimzon

28th February 2006, 18:18

@nickolasemp
wich enc_aacplus.dll version does you use?

nickolasemp

28th February 2006, 18:30

chros

2nd March 2006, 12:15

Did I see right that I can't select CT LC profiles in the latest build ?

Kurtnoise

2nd March 2006, 13:46

There are no CT LC profiles in the latest build. Only HE or PS.

shon3i

2nd March 2006, 16:12

@Kurtnoise13 please add support for LC and High bitrate for 5.1

dimzon

2nd March 2006, 17:06

@Kurtnoise13 please add support for LC and High bitrate for 5.1

aacPlus High bitrate dosn't support 5.1 at all

shon3i

2nd March 2006, 17:10

I think like you in BeHappy. btw did you compile wa_aacplus 2.1

dimzon

2nd March 2006, 17:17

I think like you in BeHappy.
initial plugin version was written by me ;)

btw did you compile wa_aacplus 2.1
Sorry, I forgot source code @ home... ReUpload source code to mytempdir.com (during 15 minutes) and I will provide you binary

shon3i

2nd March 2006, 17:23

http://www.mytempdir.com/487849

dimzon

2nd March 2006, 17:26

http://www.mytempdir.com/487849
http://www.mytempdir.com/487858

Note!
this is just quickfix to allow 6ch AAC+ up to 213kbps

shon3i

2nd March 2006, 17:33

http://www.mytempdir.com/487858

Note!
this is just quickfix to allow 6ch AAC+ up to 213kbps
That's i need. Thanks

dimzon

3rd March 2006, 21:06

http://www.mytempdir.com/487858

Note!
this is just quickfix to allow 6ch AAC+ up to 213kbps

Shit, seems like I make a bug... Will be fixed @ monday

shon3i

3rd March 2006, 22:29

What a bug

livingfruitvirus

3rd March 2006, 23:43

@dimzon
How can I see that? I'm sure that I'm using winamp 5.2. Was this info helpful?

---
Edit: Problem solved. I had forgotten to put the enc_aacplus.dll from winamp's 5.2 dir to belight's dir... :stupid:

I did that, but my problem isn't solved and I'm still getting that error.

I have BeSweet1.5b31, BeLight 0.22b9 and Winamp 5.2 Pro installed.

nickolasemp

4th March 2006, 07:47

I did that, but my problem isn't solved and I'm still getting that error.

I have BeSweet1.5b31, BeLight 0.22b9 and Winamp 5.2 Pro installed.
When you say Belight 0.22b9 I hope you mean the daily build 20060220... Otherwise you'll have the problem as well.

livingfruitvirus

5th March 2006, 20:40

When you say Belight 0.22b9 I hope you mean the daily build 20060220...

I do mean that actually.

jellysandwich

6th March 2006, 03:59

- There are 3 packages now at CoreCodec.org (Normal, Lancer and P4). The main difference between these 3 builds comes from libvorbis. The Normal version corresponds to normal libvorbis.dll, Lancer bundle is optimized for speed without loose quality and P4 version refers to libvorbis.dll optimized for Pentium4 core. In addition, all versions use AoTuv enhancements.

How exactly does this work? I don't see a libvorbis.dll file in the package, and I can't even find it on my harddrive anywhere.

Well, in the end, I just care about the AoTuv enhancements. How does BeLight use them?

js

deets

8th March 2006, 23:16

im trying to create a mono aac file from a stereo ac3 file. when i chose either downmix to mono, or change the output mode to mono in advance (or do both), the the speech comes out extremely slow. if i leave the settings, but dont downmix, it works just fine :(

Kurtnoise

9th March 2006, 15:02

How exactly does this work? I don't see a libvorbis.dll file in the package, and I can't even find it on my harddrive anywhere.
Well...you must have an .exe package not the zip which contains only BeLight.

Well, in the end, I just care about the AoTuv enhancements. How does BeLight use them?
Depends of the libraries you have...most simple thing is to use libvorbis.dll. Put it in the same BeSweet directory and you'll have an encode with it.

Kurtnoise

9th March 2006, 15:05

JoeBG

9th March 2006, 19:36

Shit, seems like I make a bug... Will be fixed @ monday

Any news for the fixed version?

jellysandwich

10th March 2006, 06:52

Depends of the libraries you have...most simple thing is to use libvorbis.dll. Put it in the same BeSweet directory and you'll have an encode with it.

Got it, thanks.

js

nickolasemp

21st March 2006, 13:30

@dimzon

I used your "release.zip" in belight's dir but still, the pointer in winamp's ct, doesn't go any further than 128 kbps for 5.1 encoding! What am I doing wrong..?

dimzon

21st March 2006, 13:59

@dimzon

I used your "release.zip" in belight's dir but still, the pointer in winamp's ct, doesn't go any further than 128 kbps for 5.1 encoding! What am I doing wrong..?
Use fresh Kurtnoise plugin
Don't forget to put fresh enc_aacplus.dll into BeSweet folder

nickolasemp

21st March 2006, 14:10

@dimzon
As for the enc_aacplus.dll I've learned from my mistake (remember that I had forgotten to put it previous time, right?)
When Kurtnoise (http://corecodec.org/projects/belight/)'s page is up I'll try what you've said...

Palikrovol

21st March 2006, 23:14

nickolasemp

22nd March 2006, 18:03

I still can't make it work. Whatever... It doesn't matter. Perhaps it's winamp's 5.2.1 new encoder that (new Coding Technology AAC+ Decoder 7.2.5) that doesn't let you tweak this. I put everything in folder (all of Kurtnoise's dlls) but still I can';t get past 128 kbps for 5.1 encoding. Frustrating... :mad:

dimzon

22nd March 2006, 18:06

nickolasemp

22nd March 2006, 18:14

Wait i'll upload it in a few seconds in mytempdir.com

http://www.mytempdir.com/535316

shon3i

22nd March 2006, 18:19

@nickolasemp i use enc_aacplus.dll from 5.2.1 with belight and encode 5.1 @ 128kbs everything is fine

@dimzon here is enc_aacplus.dll from 5.2.1 http://www.mytempdir.com/535312 , everything is fine with your lastest BeHappy and Kurtnoise13 BeLight

nickolasemp

22nd March 2006, 18:22

I never said I wanted it to encode in 128kbps shon3i. I want to encode above 128kbps in 5.1 channels...

shon3i

22nd March 2006, 18:29

Oh sorry, but you can to do that with lastest build of BeLight up to 213kbs

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9648/belight4hx.jpg

I encode and everything is fine

nickolasemp

22nd March 2006, 18:38

where did you find this version of belight? Look at mine:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3823/image27ya.jpg

I even checked at http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=269#r269 where belight's latest build should be and see what the latest build says it is... I feel like I;ve been left out of this whole update... :(

shon3i

22nd March 2006, 18:57

I don't know where Kurtnoise13 put link but there is lastest beta from my computer http://www.mytempdir.com/535398, yust overwrite you existing files

nickolasemp

22nd March 2006, 19:10

@shon3i

A million thanx... Finally I can encode my ac3 in whatever kbps I chose!

Kurtnoise

22nd March 2006, 20:51

The last build can be found here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=799796#post799796).

Brother John

29th March 2006, 02:42

Kurtnoise

29th March 2006, 07:27

Sure...I'll add it. ;)

tebasuna51

29th March 2006, 13:37

I have a suggestion for Lame VBR encoding.

By default BeSweet sets a minimum bitrate of 128 kbit. This is bad for low-bitrate quality levels though because from ca. "-V 5" and up this always results in a 128-kbit file effectively making half the quality levels quite useless.
If BeLight added a "-b 32" to the end of the Lame commandline BeSweet would work like lame.exe and allow vbr bitrates below 128 kbit.
Yes, there are a different behavior between Lame and BeSweet-lame.

Using lame:
lame.exe --vbr-new -V 5 Corrs.wav Corrs_L.mp3

Analyzing the file Corrs_L.mp3:
File Length : 4074356 bytes.
Frames : 10005
Duration : 261.355 seconds.
VBR min/Aver./max. : 32 / 124 / 256 Kb/s.
And using BeSweet-lame with same parameters:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (22/12/2005), Engine 3.97

D:\Programa\Audio\besweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input ...)
-lame( -v --vbr-new -V 5 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Musica\Corrs.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Musica\Corrs.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (NEW)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 5
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:04:21:261] Conversion Completed !
[00:04:21:261] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 133kbps

Analyzing the file Corrs.mp3:
File Length : 4344189 bytes.
Frames : 10005
Duration : 261.355 seconds.
VBR min/Aver./max. : 32 / 133 / 256 Kb/s.
Low bitrate 32 Kb/s is used, but File Length and Avg. Bitrate is greater.

Using -b 32
-lame( -v --vbr-new -V 5 -b 32 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Musica\Corrs.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Musica\Corrs_b.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (NEW)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 5
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 32
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:04:21:261] Conversion Completed !
[00:04:21:261] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 124kbps

Analyzing the file Corrs_b.mp3:
File Length : 4074356 bytes.
Frames : 10005
Duration : 261.355 seconds.
VBR min/Aver./max. : 32 / 124 / 256 Kb/s.
File Length and Avg. Bitrate is exact than Lame.exe.

Kurtnoise

29th March 2006, 19:49

Thanks for this info. ;)

If only DSPGuru could be there to correct this...

frank

30th March 2006, 15:28

I selected MP3 stereo mode 192 kbps CBR,
and get joint stereo!

Kurtnoise

30th March 2006, 17:29

Yes...what's the problem ?

shon3i

30th March 2006, 18:33

Yes...what's the problem ?
He wants simple stereo instead joint stereo. That's problem.

Kurtnoise

30th March 2006, 19:48

js is stereo...Maybe you don't know what it is ?

shon3i

31st March 2006, 11:31

js is stereo...Maybe you don't know what it is ?
Yes the JS is Stereo but is different and using JS @ 192 is help to degrade quality of overall sound. JS is not recommend @ higher bitrates especilay @ 320. There is not need to use JS.

Brother John

31st March 2006, 14:38

shon3i, this is plain nonsense. The M/S variant of JS is a lossless process and never decreases quality.

Apart from very low bitrates (I don't use those, that's why I'm not really sure about the situation) every reasonably modern encoder uses M/S JS. In fact encoding the stereo channels independently (the so called "full stereo") will produce worse sound in virtually all scenarios. There simply is no reason NOT to use JS.

JS being bad is a myth that should have died a long time ago. The origins lie with very old encoders (I think one of them was Xing) having crappy JS implementations that indeed produced bad sound. But today those encoders are obsolete anyway.

I'm sure you can find lots of information about this topic, especially on hydrogenaudio.org. I'm just too lazy to dig that stuff up myself right now. ;)

Edit:
And to address frank's problem. I did a short test with BeSweet 1.5b31 and Lame dll 3.97 beta 2.
Lame commandline: -lame( -m s -b 192 )
This results in a 192 kbit/s CBR full stereo file.

Of course I added the "-m s" manually in BeLight's commandline window because setting stereo mode in the GUI is not possible.

Frank, if you're talking about "Advanced Settings / Output mode": This only sets the number of output channels for downmixing 6ch AC3s (dpl and dplii basically are stereo too). It doesn't say anything about how those channels should be encoded.

shon3i

31st March 2006, 15:10

shon3i, this is plain nonsense.This have big sense.

The M/S variant of JS is a lossless process and never decreases quality.
Well this is practicly right it is lossless but decrases quality However, for some audio, Joint Stereo M/S may create a 'flanging' or 'swishing' effect. and it's true. Sometimes is better to use real stereo and of course JS @ 320 is not necessary.

In fact encoding the stereo channels independently (the so called "full stereo") will produce worse sound in virtually all scenariosYes the bitrates @ <160 is good to use JS but sometimes @160 aslo good to use real stereo.

The origins lie with very old encoders (I think one of them was Xing) having crappy JS implementations that indeed produced bad sound. But today those encoders are obsolete anyway.
Actyally Xing uses IS (Intesivity Stereo) which is evil and decrase big quality but is good at low bitrates, now lame have prefect JS/MS but on >192kbs bitrates there is not necessary.

I'm sure you can find lots of information about this topic, especially on hydrogenaudio.org. I'm just too lazy to dig that stuff up myself right now.I am alredy find this informations, but my ears give's me this informations. LOL

For example AAC now know where to put MS and where real stereo. Practicly in AAC MS is good at all bitrates.

Brother John

31st March 2006, 16:05

I know we're straying offtopic, but I just can't resist commenting once more. Sorry. Maybe someone can split this discussion?

Lame defaults to JS for all bitrates for a reason. A lossless technique by definition cannot lose quality or it wouldn't be lossless. Any problems can only be due to placebo effects or bugs.
If those weird effects are reproducible and you can rule out placebo by doing proper ABX tests, you should file a bug report with the lame developers.

Though I'd really be surprised if a bug that huge would have been missed with all the testing going on around the 3.97 release. And the older 3.90 version was tested even more. It might be the most thoroughly tested audio codec existing. All (maybe with some minor exceptions) those tests were done with JS and no one of the golden ears and heavy knowledge guys spotted this "'flanging' or 'swishing'".
Assuming those things to be real seems very far fetched to me. And your general assuming "bitrate x doesn't need y" is not very helpful to make me trust your claims either. Encoding reality usually is far too complex for such statements.

So it might be true that JS sound worse to you than full stereo. But think at least twice before claiming this to be an encoder problem and not just your subjective perception.

shon3i

31st March 2006, 16:50

I know we're straying offtopic, but I just can't resist commenting once more. Sorry. Maybe someone can split this discussion?I agree with you if moders want to split this into new discussion.

Lame defaults to JS for all bitrates for a reason. A lossless technique by definition cannot lose quality or it wouldn't be lossless. Any problems can only be due to placebo effects or bugs.
If those weird effects are reproducible and you can rule out placebo by doing proper ABX tests, you should file a bug report with the lame developers.Yes lame uses always JS but lame can reduce using MS, something like AAC. In normal cases i think lame use more full stereo than MS practitcly that depend on bitrate. However use full stereo becouse sometimes this 'flanging' or 'swishing' effect is present in most cases. I think that is not a bug becouse in realy, realy little cases i hear this on AAC. This is little test http://www.mytempdir.com/558679 but is not noticable different in quality, for me full stereo sounds more stronger and more quality near to original. I am donig with lastest lame 3.98.

scilli

5th April 2006, 20:52

Very good GUI for Besweet, however I'm having some problems encoding aac for my phone. When I mux a aac file created with belight into my 3gp file I get know audio playback on the phone. This is the case with both nero digital(hc, and lc), and 3gp reference. Anyone have some ideas or experience making cell phone compatable audio. My phone is a motorola rokr ep by the way, which I believe only supports lc aac but am not sure.

Kurtnoise

6th April 2006, 05:03

Very good GUI for Besweet, however I'm having some problems encoding aac for my phone. When I mux a aac file created with belight into my 3gp file I get know audio playback on the phone.
you mean "I get no audio playback", right ? Which tool did you use to mux aac into your 3gp ?

Anyone have some ideas or experience making cell phone compatable audio. My phone is a motorola rokr ep by the way, which I believe only supports lc aac but am not sure.
Try to check the features or specs of your phone on official website. This is probably noticed.

dwrbudr

6th April 2006, 07:59

When will be released a version that simply works?
Are the bugs in the files list so hard to fix?!
I've described a bug more detailed in previous posts.
Another 'every day' situation: I load 5 stereo wav files in the list - 1.wav, 2.wav, etc. and try to convert them to AAC. Hit 'Start processing', then a couple of Access violations occur and I've end with 5 aac files with filesize 0 bytes :confused: Not to mention that the progress bar doesnt work at all - it is at 0% or at 100%, I haven't seen it moving :)

scilli

6th April 2006, 08:58

you mean "I get no audio playback", right ? Which tool did you use to mux aac into your 3gp ?

Correct. I am using Yamb 1.5, so mp4box. Should I use something else?

Try to check the features or specs of your phone on official website. This is probably noticed.

Already have. Their site sucks! Under technical specs all it gives are the demensions and weight of the phone. The only thing mentioned about the video is that it supports mpeg4/h.263, but I've done testing and it will play xvid with audio created by SUPER. But the aac files I create with SUPER are a lot bigger than the one's created by belight so I would like to find a way to make it work.

Kurtnoise

6th April 2006, 09:28

@dwrbudr : soon...I try to make my best. If you don't like it or if you're hurry, don't use it.

@scilli : ok. MP4Box is good. For the playback issue I really don't know. Maybe try with FAAC encoder (LC mode first in stereo).

scilli

7th April 2006, 20:14

FAAC works! But the file size is signifigantly bigger than a aac file of the same bitrate created by nerodigital. It seems that mp4box won't mux a nd aac file with my 3gp videos, it actually creates a file smaller than my video alone. At least I got if working but I would still like to figure out why FAAC is the only method that will work for my phone. Does anybody know the detailed differences between nd and faac?

Kurtnoise

7th April 2006, 23:26

I got if working but I would still like to figure out why FAAC is the only method that will work for my phone. Does anybody know the detailed differences between nd and faac?
Maybe, your phone is not able to play he-aac stream...FAAC encoder doesn't provide this feature.

shon3i

7th April 2006, 23:45

scilli

8th April 2006, 10:04

Maybe, your phone is not able to play he-aac stream...FAAC encoder doesn't provide this feature.

I'm pretty sure it is not able to play hc-aac, however I have not been using hc-aac anyway. Even nd lc-aac doesn't seem to work. The only difference's in the options I select are in FAAC, M/S coding and Force mpeg version 4.

I have Sony Erricson k750 and can play only HE/LC-AAC in mp4 container. I use Coding Tehnologies @ 48kbps via Belight and than resulting aac convert to mp4 via mp4box and work fine.

Thanks for the advice but I'm not trying to just play aac audio files on my phone(I haven't yet tried because all my music is mp3 so I'll give ur method a try if I ever need to :)) but get audio playback in my 3gp video files. So there is in effect no .aac or .mp4 container at all.

shon3i

8th April 2006, 12:13

I'm not trying to just play aac audio files on my phoneYou should be try becouse 3gp have aac sound right.

oligophant

14th April 2006, 10:55

How can i add a 5.83secs silent in a convertion auido wap to mp3, i use the delay in advanced setting, others , apende silence of...., but nothing happens, any idea

im using belight 0.2.2.0 beta 9

shon3i

14th April 2006, 11:01

"Delay" and "Append silence of" is in miliseconds so you must multiply by 1000, so then do a 1000*5.83=5830. Type 5830 and you get right "dealy" and "Append silence of".

duebel13

14th April 2006, 12:20

This is just a short notice about a minor cosmetic bug in BeLight. I've verified that this is present in the latest beta from March, too.

To verify just open an mpa file as produced by DGIndex.
Select the MP3 bitrate as you like and start conversion.
The progress bars for both Current Track and Total will grow to 100% within seconds and stay there for the remaining conversion time. The percentage shown is 00.00%.

See attached screen shot image.

Besides this, I'm pretty happy with BeLight and would like to thank the author for providing (and maintaining) it for free. Great job.

Kriz

16th April 2006, 11:53

I'm trying to use BeLight to convert a wav to an AC3, but the output file always has an odd clicking sound.

Here's the logfile:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using AC3enc.dll v1.20 (Feb 18 2004) by Fabrice Bellard (http://ffmpeg.org).

Logging start : 04/16/06 , 06:49:51.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\fma_04_audio.wav -output C:\fma_04_audio.ac3 -logfile C:\fma_04_audio.log ) -ac3enc( -b 192 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\fma_04_audio.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\fma_04_audio.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +------- AC3ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | AC3 bitrate : 192
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : 2.0
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:22:51:153] Conversion Completed !
[00:22:51:153] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 191kbps
[00:01:02:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 04/16/06 , 06:50:53.

No matter what I try, I just can't seem to get rid of this strange clicking.

Kurtnoise

17th April 2006, 16:07

Hi,

Unfortunately, ac3 encoder from BeSweet isn't very good.

In addition, 192 kbps is not recommended. Try 224 kbps or higher values.

Kurtnoise

17th April 2006, 16:10

To verify just open an mpa file as produced by DGIndex.
Could you provide a such sample ? Thanks...

Kriz

17th April 2006, 20:59

I've been trying higher settings, but I still get these odd clicking sounds.

Is there perhaps a better AC3 encoder DLL to use?

Kurtnoise

18th April 2006, 06:03

for BeSweet, no sorry. Try HeadAC3he or others tools like SoftEncode/

duebel13

18th April 2006, 13:36

Could you provide a such sample ? Thanks...

Just use any .mpg file with sound which you already have.
Open the file in DGIndex, start playing (F5), stop playing after
a couple of seconds (ESC), demux (F4). Close DGIndex.
Now you have the .mpa file in your directory.

BTW, I use lame_enc.dll from Lame v3.97b2 and not the one coming with BeLight. Hope this is not causing the problem.

Kurtnoise

19th April 2006, 17:39

mmh, I just checked my mpg collection and all have an ac3 stream, not mpeg...:-/ So, if someone have a such file to provide...

I use lame_enc.dll from Lame v3.97b2 and not the one coming with BeLight. Hope this is not causing the problem.
I don't think so...

/me go back to fix bugs.

Kurtnoise

20th April 2006, 09:53

ok, finally, I've retrieve some mpg files and...all seems to work fine here. That's why I need a small sample of your file. Thanks again.

Damolee

21st April 2006, 12:11

I'm having problems getting this to work.
Trying to run a VBR Mp3 through it, to basically change frame rate from 23fps upto 25 (pal) using Quality / VBR mode it starts the process but the progress bar doesn't budge and it just says 00:01 time remaining while the time elapsed ticks over. I can't tell whether it's actually doing anything or not.

I tried using the regular way to install it , and also the CoreCodec package ....same problem.

Any ideas?

Kurtnoise

21st April 2006, 12:38

What kind of input file did you have ?

Damolee

21st April 2006, 12:45

Right, I see what's going on.
It was trying to encode and save over itself, I couldn't find an option to name the output file... lol

So what I did was rename it using the "View Commandline" option.

Then it output fine.

My input was a VBR MP3, all I am trying to do is change the frame rate of the audio to 25 for a PAL AVI file.

For some reason, using BeSweetGUI to convert it to CBR mode the audio keeps going out of sync on the standalone player, it seems to prefer VBR ....which is strange seeing as CBR is usually prefered.

Kurtnoise

25th April 2006, 16:52

Igor Kharchenko

26th April 2006, 08:22

I made fresh install of BeSweet and BeLight, put enc_aacplus.dll and WA_aac.dll in BeSweet folder, and try test conversion using AAC->HE->CT->CBR2.0@128 preset. I get a message that I need bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll. Copy/paste command line works fine. May be this check is useless?

Kurtnoise

26th April 2006, 14:10

Yeah, right. I'll change that. Thanks for the tip.

dwrbudr

28th April 2006, 07:31

10x for the new version!
Here are some things to fix:

Winamp AAC "Channel mode" isn't remembered, e.g. click on AAC tab, select Channel mode - Mono (for Winamp AAC), then click AC3 tab, then back to AAC - Channel mode is now "Parametric stereo"

It would be nice if you make all comboboxes style csDropDownList, so the user cannot type in them.

Kurtnoise

28th April 2006, 09:12

Allright, I was fixing that last night. i'll try to put online a new build today.

btw, the last aac encoder from Nero 7.2.xx doesn't work with GUIs using aacenc32.dll, aac.dll & NeroIPP.dll. If it works for you, this means that the old encoder used to. So, wait for a working solution for the alternative GUIs.

ron spencer

29th April 2006, 03:33

bug? If I choose a path to SoX program never remembers it on next load...can you verify?

Kurtnoise

29th April 2006, 10:40

This part is not finished yet. Same thing also for BeSplit. ;)

LoRd_MuldeR

29th April 2006, 15:26

The latest daily build still has to old nast bug:
If there are a lot of source files on the list and I press convert button, BeLight will display 100% after view milliseconds and then only convert the first file. All other files get a .log file only...

fight2win

29th April 2006, 19:22

how to encode ac3 to nero aac, new nero has only aacenc32.dll, no aac.dll!

Kurtnoise

29th April 2006, 20:09

how to encode ac3 to nero aac, new nero has only aacenc32.dll, no aac.dll!
A I said previously...
btw, the last aac encoder from Nero 7.2.xx doesn't work with GUIs using aacenc32.dll, aac.dll & NeroIPP.dll. If it works for you, this means that the old encoder used to. So, wait for a working solution for the alternative GUIs.

The latest daily build still has to old nast bug:
If there are a lot of source files on the list and I press convert button, BeLight will display 100% after view milliseconds and then only convert the first file. All other files get a .log file only...
Yes, I'm working on it.

LoRd_MuldeR

30th April 2006, 00:53

Yes, I'm working on it.

:thanks:

Bathrone

30th April 2006, 04:06

Isnt the recommend lame enc for build 3.97 beta 2?

Carpo

30th April 2006, 11:10

ok now this may have already been addressed - i did search but didnt find a solution (maybe i didnt search too good ;) )

anyway - while using belight as per doom9s guide to converting ac3 to aac i have selected the aac preset and changed a few settings - well one the output had to be 5.1 - now when i play the file it always says that its mono - is this right or have a touched a setting i shouldnt have

Thanks

Bathrone

30th April 2006, 11:46

Bugs with trying to transcode ac3 to aac using nero.

"C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3" -output "C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp4" -logfile "C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -6chnew -vbr_extreme -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -d 0 )

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_Nero7WA.dll by dimzon, Build Nov 10 2005, 14:35:28

Logging start : 04/30/06 , 20:45:13.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp4 -logfile C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -6chnew -vbr_extreme -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -d 0 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Encoding\movies T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 04/30/06 , 20:45:13.

Kurtnoise

30th April 2006, 15:11

Isnt the recommend lame enc for build 3.97 beta 2?
What do you mean ?

anyway - while using belight as per doom9s guide to converting ac3 to aac i have selected the aac preset and changed a few settings - well one the output had to be 5.1 - now when i play the file it always says that its mono - is this right or have a touched a setting i shouldnt have
:logfile:

Bugs with trying to transcode ac3 to aac using nero....
Not a bug....if you read my reply 2 posts above. :sly:

Carpo

30th April 2006, 17:57

:logfile:

ye sorry about :)

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 04/30/06 , 08:58:34.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\dvd-work\ong-bak\VTS_04_1 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output E:\dvd-work\ong-bak\VTS_04_1 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp4 -logfile E:\dvd-work\ong-bak\VTS_04_1 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.besweet.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -bsn( -6chnew -vbr_normal -codecquality_fast -aacprofile_he ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\dvd-work\ong-bak\VTS_04_1 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\dvd-work\ong-bak\VTS_04_1 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 0.076dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: vbr normal
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac fast encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:44:01:216] Conversion Completed !
[00:31:37:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 04/30/06 , 09:30:11.

SeeMoreDigital

30th April 2006, 18:02

Hi Kurt,

I've been playing around with beta 9 today and must congratulate you on designing "yet another" outstanding product :D

Many thanks mate...

Kurtnoise

30th April 2006, 18:12

@Carpo : which player did you use ?

@SMD : thanks buddy...:)

Carpo

30th April 2006, 18:27

QT winamp core media player, i have a feeling its either something i did (or didnt) do or theres an issue with my pc - maybe time for a complete re-install :p we shall see

SeeMoreDigital

30th April 2006, 21:36

Wow...

I've just used BeLight to encode an 6Ch AC3 audio stream to an 6Ch AACplus v2 audio stream. And muxed this stream to an 720x576 anamorphic MPEG-4 AVC video stream using YAMB and got myself a lovely looking and sounding back-up of Terminator 3 (with chapters of-course) ;)

Okay.... I have made the following observation....

If I encode this 6Ch AC3 speaker mapping test file (http://82.10.220.174/51_Test_Encodes/AV_Setup_Tests/AC3_6Ch_'Speaker_Test'.7z) to an 16 Bits 5.1 Wave .WAV file - the mapping is perfect ;)

However, if I re-encode the 16 Bits 5.1 Wave .WAV file back to an 6Ch AC3 file, the mapping is incorrect :(

Am I doing something wrong?

Just to confirm: Re-encoding the afore mentioned 6Ch AC3 speaker mapping test file to another 6Ch AC3 file, creates perfectly mapped results ;)
EDIT: And so does re-encoding the 16 Bits 5.1 Wave .WAV file to an 6Ch AAC file.

Cheers

Carpo

30th April 2006, 22:03

@ what rate did you encode the file ?

on a previous note i was using nero aac to make the file i said was comming out as mono - i will try with aacplus and see what happens - i have updated nero itself but have the old dlls in besweets folder so i guessing that is ok, and what bitrate is (and i wont say best as i know i will get beat up for it) advisable for a backup or doesnt it really matter.

all these new formats im trying to learn i should have just stayed with dvdrs ;D

SeeMoreDigital

30th April 2006, 22:11

what rate did you encode the file ?I can't see how that would make any difference!

on a previous note i was using nero aac to make the file i said was comming out as mono - i will try with aacplus and see what happens - i have updated nero itself but have the old dlls in besweets folder so i guessing that is ok, and what bitrate is (and i wont say best as i know i will get beat up for it) advisable for a backup or doesnt it really matter. With AACplus sounding as good as it does.... I can't see uch point in bothering with Nero... LOL

Carpo

30th April 2006, 22:26

I can't see how that would make any

could have just said default 96kbps ;)

im trying out all the audio codecs to see which one i like, as i have done with the video codecs :)

suppose i could do the MS thing and stick with the one audio and one video codec

but i think the linux route is better :D

tebasuna51

1st May 2006, 00:02

However, if I re-encode the 16 Bits 5.1 Wave .WAV file back to an 6Ch AC3 file, the mapping is incorrect :(

Am I doing something wrong?
ac3enc.dll, and others ac3 free encoders (ffmpeg, ...), need a wav6chan reordered to: FL_C_FR_SL_SR_LFE (ac3-order)
instead the standard wav order: FL_FR_C_LFE_SL_SR (wav-order)

When you make ac3 -> wav6, BeSweet do ac3-order -> wav-order.

When you make ac3 -> ac3, BeSweet don't reorder.

When you make wav6 -> aac, Dimzon's plugin do wav-order -> aac-order.

You can use WaveWizard with the channelmapping setting "ac3 order for SoftEncode or ac3enc" to make a wav6 (ac3-order).
Or you can split the wav6 in 6 mono wav and use a mux file (ac3-order) with BeSweet.

SeeMoreDigital

1st May 2006, 11:32

Thanks for your explanation tebasuna51

I'm still at a loss to understand why when you have a correctly mapped 6Ch WAV source, would anybody want generate an incorrectly mapped 6Ch AC3 file. Surely... it's just asking for trouble!

As you guys can probably tell I'm not very upto speed about how all this mapping works and the reasons behind it. So may I ask, who along the decoding-to-re-encoding chain gets to decided how an 6Ch WAV source to 6Ch AC3 encode is mapped?

Hope that make sense!

SeeMoreDigital

1st May 2006, 18:48

....wav format is more or less a "container"...You can store mp3 or ac3 in wav you know. Of course, most of the time you have pcm stream in wav files which uses an uncompressed method. But this is not very efficient if you compare the results with some other lossless formats (wavpack, monkey's, flac, etc...)Have you considered adding support for FLAC?

Cheers

Kurtnoise

1st May 2006, 21:19

not for the moment...but it's on my todo list.

SeeMoreDigital

1st May 2006, 22:24

not for the moment...but it's on my todo list.Sounds like a plan...

Now I've got the hang of BeLight (goodbye to HeadAC3he and Foobar2000)... I'm going to recommend it to all my fellow Zensonic Z500 users tomorrow!

I think I have all the latest .dll files installed now... but I'm not sure about the Vorbis .dll's

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/2138/belight6bt.png

Any help would be much appreciated :)

Kurtnoise

2nd May 2006, 07:32

mmh, yeah. Replace ogg.dll/vorbis.dll/vorbisenc.dll by libvorbis.dll (http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html).

Carpo

3rd May 2006, 17:08

@Kurtnoise13

little update on the strange winamp showing mono issue - i think its just winamp being a tit, i have done encodes with all encoders in belight and ran them thru diff players - ffdshow (as do other players) reports that the input is 48000hz,6 channels sbr aac

and output is
48000hz,6 channels 16-bit integer

with output speakers as l,r,c,lfe,sl,sr

just strange winamp says mono

shon3i

3rd May 2006, 17:11

That's is Winamp bug, not BeLight.

btw 6 channels are 6 mono channels so winamp shows pseudo correct info, and when you open file info in winamp you see right information.

SeeMoreDigital

3rd May 2006, 17:23

mmh, yeah. Replace ogg.dll/vorbis.dll/vorbisenc.dll by libvorbis.dll (http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html).Thanks mate...

I also had to install libmmd.dll - Everything seems to be working quite happily :)

Cheers

Carpo

3rd May 2006, 17:46

That's is Winamp bug, not BeLight.

btw 6 channels are 6 mono channels so winamp shows pseudo correct info, and when you open file info in winamp you see right information.

so do i have stereo files or not ?

Kurtnoise

3rd May 2006, 20:41

Works fine for me...

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/wa_info.gif

Kurtnoise

3rd May 2006, 20:51

If there are a lot of source files on the list and I press convert button, BeLight will display 100% after view milliseconds and then only convert the first file. All other files get a .log file only...
Could you test this build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=282#r282)...Be sure that cmd.exe isn't already using by an other app.

shon3i

3rd May 2006, 22:35

so do i have stereo files or not ?
No you have 6ch file, is not mono, is not stereo, than 6 mono channels.

Carpo

3rd May 2006, 23:15

Works fine for me...

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/wa_info.gif

bit i was refering too is by the clock on winamp - when i looked at file info my box looked different to the pic above but after doing some reading (rtfm) ;P i think i know what i was doing wrong and why i was getting confused :)

Thomas_AR

5th May 2006, 04:28

ID3 Tag problem MP3 to OGG
Using:
*ogg vorbis dlls using libVorbis v1.1.2 2005-12-08
*BeLight-0.22beta9
*BeSweetv1.5b31

The original files are MP3 with ID3Tag 2.30

Log:
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using Ogg Vorbis v1.0 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).

Logging start : 05/05/06 , 13:50:29.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\My Music\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart - 01 - Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby.mp3 -output D:\My Music\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart - 01 - Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby.ogg -logfile D:\My Music\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart - 01 - Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby.log ) -azid( -s stereo -L -3db ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.300 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\My Music\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart - 01 - Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\My Music\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart\Diana Krall - Only Trust Your Heart - 01 - Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.300
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:09:55:137] Gain of -1.5dB had been asserted to file.
[00:09:55:137] Conversion Completed !
[00:09:55:137] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 56kbps
[00:00:37:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 05/05/06 , 13:51:06.

Problem: Transcoding went well, but the ogg files don't contain ID3 Tags. What's wrong?

CruNcher

5th May 2006, 19:11

@Kurtnoise

Could you test this build...Be sure that cmd.exe isn't already using by an other app.

somehow that build doesn't work @ i deleted belight.ini and reset the besweet.exe path but pushing Start Processing nothing happens ?

Kurtnoise

5th May 2006, 19:44

Yes...sorry. Some functions were disabled in the last build. Should be ok now.

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=283#r283

Kurtnoise

5th May 2006, 19:47

Problem: Transcoding went well, but the ogg files don't contain ID3 Tags. What's wrong?
BeSweet removes tags during transcoding if your input has these metadatas. Try to check "No id3" option in Advanced Settings.

Thomas_AR

5th May 2006, 21:52

BeSweet removes tags during transcoding if your input has these metadatas. Try to check "No id3" option in Advanced Settings.
That's an ugly feature :( Option 'No i3' didn't solve the problem.

shon3i

5th May 2006, 22:10

@Kurtnoise13 is there any chance to implement this new Nero AAC to BeLight.

Thomas_AR

5th May 2006, 23:13

Will this big fixed in Besweet? If there is no solution regarding ID Tags and transcoding MP3-OGG, can somebody suggest an alterantive?
Transcoding 7 GB of MP3 to OGG and after that making new ID Tags is a little more work than i love to do:)

Kurtnoise

6th May 2006, 06:54

That's an ugly feature :( Option 'No i3' didn't solve the problem.
Ugly ? Maybe yes, maybe no. Some people ask me to add this feature, so I think this is useful for somebody.

Unfortunately, BeSweet is not the appropriate tool to transcode files having tags. You can test with foobar as alternative. Anyway, lossy-to-lossy transformation is not recommended but you do what you want after all.

@Shon3i: yes, it's planned.

Kostarum Rex Persia

7th May 2006, 00:19

Kurtnoise13,your latest BeLight daily build, 20060505 have one HUGE bug. When i try to encode from WAV, AC3, MP3 to CT AAC+, Belight shows this error message:

You must have WA_aac.dll in the BeLight folder to transcode your file

I don't know why BeLight shows this error, because I have WA_aac.dll in the BeLight folder. I have latest version of file WA_acc.dll, 2.3

With previous daily build, this bug doesn't exist. Please fix this bug.

dwrbudr

7th May 2006, 07:48

Where does the HybridGain option dissapeared again, e.g. it is not in the BeSweet OTA mode combobox - only PostGain and PreGain are there?! The default extension for opening files is now set to *.ac3. Could it be something like All Supported Formats (*.ac3; *.wav, etc.). I'm talking about the latest beta.

Kurtnoise

7th May 2006, 08:27

With previous daily build, this bug doesn't exist. Please fix this bug.
Done (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=286#r286).

Where does the HybridGain option dissapeared again, e.g. it is not in the BeSweet OTA mode combobox - only PostGain and PreGain are there?!
Already explained...AAC decoders aren't not able to support hybridgain. So, only Post/Pre are there.

The default extension for opening files is now set to *.ac3. Could it be something like All Supported Formats (*.ac3; *.wav, etc.). I'm talking about the latest beta.
Changed...See above for the link.

dwrbudr

7th May 2006, 18:34

@Kurtnoise13: Strange, I was always using HybridGain with no problems. Even now if I type HybridGain in BeSweet OTA Mode combobox I can use it and after restarting BeLight the HybridGain option is there. That's why I want all comboboxes style to be csDropDownList. I'll try with PreGain then. Thx!

fight2win

8th May 2006, 11:08

i have winamp 5.21 pro installed, i am getting this error when trying to transcode ac3 to he-aac high 160 kbps ct:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.3 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 05/08/06 , 15:35:08.

D:\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\New Folder\DVD\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output E:\New Folder\DVD\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.aac -logfile E:\New Folder\DVD\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -azid( -s dplii -c normal -L -3db ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 160 -mode 2 -high ) -ota( -d 0 -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\New Folder\DVD\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\New Folder\DVD\VTS_03_1 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 05/08/06 , 15:35:08.

pls help!

shon3i

8th May 2006, 11:37

@fight2win you must copy enc_aacplus.dll from winamp plugins directory to BeLight dir. And is better for that bitrate to use LC-AAC instead HE-AAC HIGH

tebasuna51

8th May 2006, 11:58

i have winamp 5.21 pro installed, i am getting this error when trying to transcode ac3 to he-aac high 160 kbps
Works fine for me with same settings.
Check if enc_aacplus.dll is in your BeLigth-BeSweet folder (not only in winamp folder).

Kurtnoise

8th May 2006, 13:34

Note that with latest builds, BeLight copies automatically enc_aacplus.dll into the right folder now.

Did you use bsn.dll from the last Besweet beta package ?

fight2win

8th May 2006, 14:06

i'm using bsn.dll v0.24

Kurtnoise

8th May 2006, 15:21

Give me the name of ALL dlls included in your BeSweet folder...

fight2win

9th May 2006, 05:35

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7691/listdll9hx.jpg

Winamp 5.21 Pro Installed
Belight 0.22 Beta 9 + 2006/05/07 Build

Pls help kurt

Kurtnoise

9th May 2006, 12:25

mmmh...I've no idea. All seems to be ok though. Sorry.

About integration of the new AAC encoder from ND : due to the BeSweet limitations and some switches needed by this tool, we can't use it directly for the moment. The only thing usable : make a transcode in 2 steps (xxx -> wav then wav -> mp4). Even this can't be added to BeLight because ND AAC encoder doesn't have a eta.

So, I dream about a new switch for BeSweet :: -clienc( -cmd xxxxxxxx -path "....." ) . Problem : DSPGuru is not here anymore. Or, pray to have a new update for the ND AAC encoder included, at least some eta, or some switches like SampleRate, Bits Depth.

futurex

9th May 2006, 13:24

that's too bad, belight rocks! :(

what method do you recommend (GUI based) for encoding ND AAC? :)

shon3i

9th May 2006, 13:56

So, I dream about a new switch for BeSweet :: -clienc( -cmd xxxxxxxx -path "....." ) . Problem : DSPGuru is not here anymore. Or, pray to have a new update for the ND AAC encoder included, at least some eta, or some switches like SampleRate, Bits Depth.This sound's silly but can you make warper like foobar 0.92 does. Or use his NeroAACWrapper.exe

Kurtnoise

9th May 2006, 15:02

what method do you recommend (GUI based) for encoding ND AAC? :)
depends of your input files but I vote for foobar. It works quite well.

This sound's silly but can you make warper like foobar 0.92 does. Or use his NeroAACWrapper.exe
This uses the old encoder. So, no thank you. With bsn and his API with can make something (such as FAAC or 3GPP encoder) but as I said previously, some switches with the Nero encoder are needed which are not available for the moment...

shon3i

9th May 2006, 15:35

This uses the old encoderNo, no this foobar 0.9.2 beta 2 and NeroAACWrapper.exe from same package use new nero cli encoder, so like you say if you can make bsn for it and so why then do that.

some switches with the Nero encoder are needed which are not available for the moment...
If you think about 2pass there is no necesary to implement this option becouse is unuse. But if you mean SampleRate, Bits Depth i don't know why we need it anyway.

Kurtnoise

9th May 2006, 16:04

No, no this foobar 0.9.2 beta 2 and NeroAACWrapper.exe from same package use new nero cli encoder,
Correct me if I'm wrong but NeroAACWrapper is not there with the last beta.

if you mean SampleRate, Bits Depth i don't know why we need it anyway.
because bsn needs them.

SeeMoreDigital

9th May 2006, 16:20

If you think about 2pass there is no necesary to implement this option becouse is unuse.Well I guess that's your opinion....

I would be quite like it if more AAC codec developers offered a 2-pass encoding mode!

Given that Win Amp's aacPlus encoder does an outstanding job at generating 6Ch AAC-HE encodes at 128Kbps over 1-pass. The mind boggles at what could be achieved over 2-passes!

Cheers

shon3i

9th May 2006, 16:22

Correct me if I'm wrong but NeroAACWrapper is not there with the last beta.You wrong, is there, and you can't convert to nero without it, of course you can but via comandline.

This is new nero dialog from foobar 0.9.9 beta 2

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3796/fb2k8vz.jpg

so if you can use this warper please make belight supporting it becouse is so important

shon3i

9th May 2006, 16:32

Well I guess that's your opinion....

I would be quite like it if more AAC codec developers offered a 2-pass encoding mode!

Given that Win Amp's aacPlus encoder does an outstanding job at generating 6Ch AAC-HE encodes at 128Kbps over 1-pass. The mind boggles at what could be achieved over 2-passes!

Cheers
I don't say like that. 2pass not support stdin so, if you want convert ac3-5.1wav that is on you, but i newer try to do that because is silly for me and my hdd space. Implementing 2pass into belight now only can make more bugs, Ivan says that 2pass will maybe can used with stdin in next release.

btw about winamp encoder. I newer have problems with quality such at 128kbs and get perfect quality for that bitrate. I do some test comparing this CT encoder to Nero with all modes even 2pass i don't see any better improvment in quality only 2pass be useful to reduce size of audio file.

Kurtnoise

9th May 2006, 17:50

Shon3i : you mix up NeroAacEnc with NeroAACWrapper...

shon3i

9th May 2006, 18:25

Shon3i : you mix up NeroAacEnc with NeroAACWrapper...
No i am not. because you need NeroAACWrapper in foobar 0.9.2 beta 2 directory to encode with this nero cli. You should try and see that i am right

Kurtnoise

9th May 2006, 18:27

Well...Install v0.9.2 beta 2 in a new folder and tell me if this Wrapper is there.

shon3i

9th May 2006, 19:16

Well...Install v0.9.2 beta 2 in a new folder and tell me if this Wrapper is there.
You been right. but you should try make bsn for this cli.

dimzon

13th May 2006, 18:52

So, I dream about a new switch for BeSweet :: -clienc( -cmd xxxxxxxx -path "....." ) . Problem : DSPGuru is not here anymore. Or, pray to have a new update for the ND AAC encoder included, at least some eta, or some switches like SampleRate, Bits Depth.

Hi!
AFAIK You have my bse encoders sources. So take close look @ bse_faac source - You can easy adapt it to ND AAC CLI encoder and/or even create bse_clieenc generic encoder ;)
Another way - You can create 100% compatible drop-in bsn.dll replacement to allow usage of new ND AAC encoder from leagcy applications...

Kurtnoise

14th May 2006, 06:07

Hi,

AFAIK You have my bse encoders sources. So take close look @ bse_faac source - You can easy adapt it to ND AAC CLI encoder and/or even create bse_clieenc generic encoder ;)
bse_faac uses bsn API. So, even if I create a new API how can add it in BeSweet which is closed ?

dimzon

14th May 2006, 07:16

bse_faac uses bsn API. So, even if I create a new API how can add it in BeSweet which is closed ?
seems like You misunderstood me...
You can create Your own bse_clienc plugin:

-dimzon( -dllname bse_clienc.dll -cmd "..." -path "....." )

Kurtnoise

14th May 2006, 09:50

Allright, I'll look at this. Thanks for the tip.

aggressor

15th May 2006, 15:33

How do I get ND AAC to work? I know it's probably because I don't have aac.dll in the directory, but the problem is even with Nero7 installed (and I even reinstalled), aac.dll is no where to be found on my machine. I DO have aacenc32.dll, which I placed into the BeLight directory, but it still doesn't work. Where exactly do I get this .dll file?

Also, are there any kind of guides available that tell you what you need in order to use all of the encoding options? It seems like a lot of guess work :( The dll pack available on the page with BeLight did get most things working (I currently have MP3, MP2, WAV, and AC3 fully working) but Vorbis and half of the AAC encoding methods (3GP, Winamp CT) don't work, and I don't know which .dll files I need.

I am using the latest daily build of BeLight and BeSweet v1.5b31. I'd paste a log, but there isn't one generated :( The progress window says "Error Occured, check logfile" but none is generated.

Kurtnoise

15th May 2006, 17:40

How do I get ND AAC to work? I know it's probably because I don't have aac.dll in the directory, but the problem is even with Nero7 installed (and I even reinstalled), aac.dll is no where to be found on my machine. I DO have aacenc32.dll, which I placed into the BeLight directory, but it still doesn't work. Where exactly do I get this .dll file?
Nero 7.2 and higher are not compatible with BeSweet/BeLight. You must have an earlier version...

Also, are there any kind of guides available that tell you what you need in order to use all of the encoding options?
All options aren't needed most of the time...btw, check out this link (http://www.doom9.org/audio-guides.htm).

I am using the latest daily build of BeLight and BeSweet v1.5b31. I'd paste a log, but there isn't one generated :( The progress window says "Error Occured, check logfile" but none is generated.
Actually, you must check "Output log file" in Advanced Settings to be able to have a log file. It will be locate in the same input file folder.

aggressor

15th May 2006, 19:23

Thanks for the response.

Is there any chance this kind of information (Like the Doom9 page that has downloads for some of the .dlls) could be added to your webpage for the program? I know it's still in beta and all, but this kind of information would be helpful for new users :p

Which version of Nero will work? Would the last version of Nero 6 work? Do I just need Nero Burning Rom 6 installed, or do I need another application?

Kurtnoise

15th May 2006, 20:04

Is there any chance this kind of information (Like the Doom9 page that has downloads for some of the .dlls) could be added to your webpage for the program?
yes...I'll add some comments soon. ;)

Which version of Nero will work? Would the last version of Nero 6 work? Do I just need Nero Burning Rom 6 installed, or do I need another application?
Nero 6 works, yes. If you have BeSweet 1.5b31 package, that should be ok.

dimzon

22nd May 2006, 12:13

new BSN.DLL replacement to encode using new free Nero AAC CLI encoder is out:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=111472

humax

22nd May 2006, 17:26

Is there a Bug in 0.22.9 Beta ???

I choose 3 Ac3 Filesin a Queue to convert in MP3 but BeLight doesnt Encode the Queue.

I choose only 1 File and it works fine

Kurtnoise

22nd May 2006, 17:48

Try the last daily build...

I know there are some troubles with queue list. I'm working on it.

wdmalik

22nd May 2006, 19:42

i am having problems with the command editing, besweet never uses my commands, it always used the one that are set as default, i have checked my modifications by manual running and i always get the desired results, i am using the latest daily build

humax

22nd May 2006, 21:08

Ok i will try

Kurtnoise

22nd May 2006, 22:31

@wdmalik : what did you add/modify exactly in your cmdl ?

fight2win

23rd May 2006, 06:23

new BSN.DLL replacement to encode using new free Nero AAC CLI encoder is out:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=111472
so, now will belight work with new nero aac encoder?

Kurtnoise

23rd May 2006, 07:17

Yes it works....at least on my hard drive. ;)

I hope to release something today.

3dsnar

23rd May 2006, 07:25

Kurtnoise, any chance for
the complete BeLight with a professionall installer ;)
(in the near future)?

tebasuna51

23rd May 2006, 07:38

Kurtnoise, any chance for
the complete BeLight with a professionall installer ;)
(in the near future)?
No, please!

buzzqw

23rd May 2006, 07:43

why using installer when a single .7z is more than optimum ?

BHH

3dsnar

23rd May 2006, 07:48

futurex

23rd May 2006, 08:04

i 2nd the installer idea

sillKotscha

23rd May 2006, 08:57

ehrm, what about that one...

BeLight-0.22b9_Lancer.exe (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=245#r245)

isn't it already a professional installer? So why you are all against such an idea?

3dsnar

23rd May 2006, 09:01

Yeah. This is exactly what I mean,
but more up to date.

tebasuna51

23rd May 2006, 09:35

When you are xperianced Doom9 user, following all the BeLight updates, etc. than 7z is optimum.
When you are just a poor guy, lost in time and space, searching the web
for some audio converter, tha installer is something
that you'll appreciate ;)
1) There are three installer now, enough for unexperienced users:
BeLight-0.22b9_Lancer.exe
BeLight-0.22b9_Normal.exe
BeLight-0.22b9_P4.exe

I hope Kurtnoise continue in this installer style (without install DSF, modify the registry,...) when he want release a new beta10.

2) Some encoders (CT/Nero aac) can't be distributed in BeLight package, and always is needed the user interaction.

3) I appreciate your work with AudX but, for instance, I don't want install automatically your DSF in my system, because I have only stereo audio attached to pc, and is absolutely useless for me. I hate "professionall installer" if install DSF unwanted, modify the registry, ... Maybe a troubles source for unexperienced users.

3dsnar

23rd May 2006, 09:50

1) There are three installer now, enough for unexperienced users:
BeLight-0.22b9_Lancer.exe
BeLight-0.22b9_Normal.exe
BeLight-0.22b9_P4.exe

I hope Kurtnoise continue in this installer style (without install DSF, modify the registry,...) when he want release a new beta10.

2) Some encoders (CT/Nero aac) can't be distributed in BeLight package, and always is needed the user interaction.

3) I appreciate your work with AudX but, for instance, I don't want install automatically your DSF in my system, because I have only stereo audio attached to pc, and is absolutely useless for me. I hate "professionall installer" if install DSF unwanted, modify the registry, ... Maybe a troubles source for unexperienced users.

Ad 1) Yeah. This is exactly what I meant by my question:
To be more precise, I wondered when the new installer (with all the changes from recent moths) will be included, as it was done in the past.
Ad 2) Sure, but still other components inside the installer make life easier (IMHO)
Ad 3) You misunderstood me. My intention was not to suggest that Aud-X should be a part of BeLight installer. Actually our installer comes with some other things (like our own conversion frontend, ACM codec, DSdecoder, etc) so it would make completely no sens to add it to the BeLight installer.

Cheers, 3d.

Kurtnoise

23rd May 2006, 10:49

@3dsnar : I'll create a new installer when the last bugs will be gone. I hope as soon as possible.

All in all, existing installers (Lancer & all) are and will be always on CC.org (yeah, I need to update them...) and won't include Aud-X codec. For people who want to have the BeLight installer including the Aud-X, it will be on Aud-X website. I hope it's fine for all.

dimzon

23rd May 2006, 10:52

2) Some encoders (CT/Nero aac) can't be distributed in BeLight package, and always is needed the user interaction.
Maybe we can ask Nero to get permission for encoder redistribution (in case when original licence.txt from Nero will be included)

3dsnar

23rd May 2006, 12:22

Kurtnoise

23rd May 2006, 20:44

Allright...

My first attempt to support ND CLI encoder is available (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=288#r288) now.

You need to update bsn.dll (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/bsn_20060523.zip) to be able to encode with this encoder through BeLight.

There are probably some bugs or some missings from my part, so feel free to test it. ;)

The last Nero Digital AAC encoder is of course available here (http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Nero_Digital_Audio.html).

Kostarum Rex Persia

24th May 2006, 15:01

Well, Kurtnoise13, your first try fail, because newest daily build show this massage:

neroaacenc is missing

It's strange, because I put that file in Belight folder.

SeeMoreDigital

24th May 2006, 15:11

Well, Kurtnoise13, your first try fail, because newest daily build show this massage:

"neroaacenc is missing"

It's strange, because I put that file in Belight folder.I was able to get it to run.... but only after selecting/checking "View or Edit BeSweet Command Line" and selecting "Run" ;)

EDIT: Nero have 2No AAC encoders, neroAacEnc.exe @ 804KB and neroAacEnc_sse2.exe @ 856KB..... Depending on your system, this might make some difference!

Cheers

wdmalik

24th May 2006, 19:39

@wdmalik : what did you add/modify exactly in your cmdl ?

instead of -lame( --abr 128 ) i used -lame( -v --vbr-new -V 5 )

Kurtnoise

24th May 2006, 20:27

Why not using directly interface for this command ? Choose the Quality target and Fast Mode to enable this.

@Kostarum : I see. I've made some tunings this afternoon. I'll upload a new build asap. Thanks for the tests. Keep in mind also that neroAacEnc must be in the same BeSweet folder...

MacAddict

30th May 2006, 04:45

For me the latest daily doesnt work either. Log window shows all DLL files available and everything detected. I hit the 'start' button and nothing happens. Also tried as SeeMore Digital and used the 'run' command, still nothing happens. I have no errors or anything.

Kurtnoise

30th May 2006, 07:13

I changed some parts in the code. So, keep in mind that NeroAacEnc must be in the same BeSweet folder...

Otherwise, delete BeLight.ini file and try again.

MacAddict

30th May 2006, 13:36

Yes, all Nero executables are inside the BeLight folder with BeSweet, etc. I deleted the .ini file and still BeLight doesn't respond when I hit the start button, no errors reported at all in log. Strange. Encoding to Vorbis works fine of course.

Kurtnoise

30th May 2006, 14:05

Right...It's fixed now.

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=290#r290

fight2win

31st May 2006, 04:13

Right...It's fixed now.

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=290#r290

aac encoding still not working!

Kurtnoise

31st May 2006, 07:51

Well...too hard for you to give more details ?

That's strange because some other people who have this problem told me that it's ok now. So,

delete BeLight.ini file and try again.

nickolasemp

31st May 2006, 08:35

Hello kurtnoise...

I'm sure you are aware of the helix project and I was just wondering weather or not you are going to support helix's aac project...

Kurtnoise

31st May 2006, 12:22

Well, AAC from Helix is very limited (only 5 target bitrates, no multichannel support....). Why not using Nero Digital or Coding Technologies AAC engines instead ?

dimzon

31st May 2006, 13:44

Well, AAC from Helix is very limited (only 5 target bitrates, no multichannel support....). Why not using Nero Digital or Coding Technologies AAC engines instead ?
100% agreed!

nickolasemp

31st May 2006, 14:53

Personally I don't care... I am using CT's aac encoding option as well. I just wanted to hear the differnces between Ct's and Helix's encoding. Everybody just says that the best encoding is tyhe one done by Helix's project. Thanx a lot for answering my question...

And thanx for both applications...

Kurtnoise

31st May 2006, 17:05

Everybody just says that the best encoding is the one done by Helix's project.
huh ? That's make no sense...Personally I never said that.

SeeMoreDigital

31st May 2006, 17:21

Everybody just says that the best encoding is tyhe one done by Helix's project. Nope... I can't remember ever saying or reading that either!

I will however go on record by saying.... I think CT's encoder generates better sounding 6Ch AAC-HE encodes at 128Kbps than Nero's new "freeware" encoder ;)

Cheers

parcival

31st May 2006, 20:21

I try to use WinAmp CT AAC. The command line that belight creates gives:
C:\>"C:\Program Files\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -in
put "D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\Original_Sound.ac3" -output "D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE
\Test\Original_Sound.aac" ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 128 -lc -6chnew
)
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.3 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\Original_Sound.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\Original_Sound.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] -- Initializing...
Error: -3
Can't create encoder!Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...

I am using bsn.dll from bsn_20060523.zip and the latest plugins and enc_aacplus files (the ones that MeGUI autoupdate gives).
Here is the list of BeSweet directory:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9034/files3sv.png

What am I doing wrong?

Kurtnoise

31st May 2006, 20:57

Indeed...It's fixed now.

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=291#r291

Thanks for the bug report.

parcival

3rd June 2006, 18:30

OK not much changed:
C:\Program Files\BeSweet>"C:\Program Files\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D
:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\Original_Sound.ac3" -output "D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\
Original_Sound.aac" ) -bsn( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 128 -lc -6chnew )
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.3 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\Original_Sound.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\DVDs\MOULIN_ROUGE\Test\Original_Sound.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] -- Initializing...
Error: -3
Can't create encoder!Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...

C:\Program Files\BeSweet>
I found out that since WinAmp v5.22 (latest version) "nscrt.dll" replaces "MFC71.DLL" and some other things. I added it in BeSweet directory but nothing changed (adding it to MeGUI made it work work for CT AAC). Maybe the problem is this new dll. I hope you'll figure it out. Good luck!

Kurtnoise

4th June 2006, 10:50

Should be ok now...

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=292#r292

parcival

4th June 2006, 17:38

At first it didn't work until I deleted the BeLight.ini (I had tried this also with the previous versions but it didn't work).
Everything works fine now, thanks!

tomos

14th June 2006, 15:52

i have just started getting the same errors with belight/besweet but those links above just time out for me

how do you fix this?

Kurtnoise

14th June 2006, 16:46

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20060612.zip

SeeMoreDigital

14th June 2006, 18:16

Thanks Kurt,

Your revised "Encoder Engine" drop-down menu and NeroDigital (CLI) options are great...

Yer-the-man ;)

tomos

14th June 2006, 18:22

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22beta_20060612.zip

thanks for this. works now. oddly (and i have no idea at all why this happens) the old version works on 1 pc, but if i copy the folder across to my main PC, it refuses to work there.

strange. :scared:

Kurtnoise

14th June 2006, 20:06

I need more details...

tomos

14th June 2006, 20:08

no worries. alls fine with the new version. unfortunately i cant provide details, but the error mentioned above (Error 84: error configuring bsn!) happened to me before but somehow resolved itself when i left it alone for a while

the new ones works fine so i removed the old copies. if anything happens with this one, i'll post and provide some info :)

sjchmura

15th June 2006, 19:03

Just found all this - bit overwhelming:

Any good suggestions to "test" for AAC-HE or AAC-HE-PS (what is PS btw) when transcoding AC3 384kbit to mux back into my HDTV MP4?

Kurtnoise

15th June 2006, 20:27

PS stands for Parametric Stereo. One of a technic to improve efficiency at very low bitrates. This concerns mainly AAC encoder engines.

For suggestions, there are some presets available (Options --> Presets). First, I'd say to check out HE-AAC around 48-64 kbps. Both Nero Digital and CT's Winamp encoder supply this target. If this sounds good for you, well you can keep it. Otherwise, if you want to maximize your video backup and minimize the audio part, I'd say to test AAC-PS (32 kbps and lower)...

vlada

16th June 2006, 10:03

I have one question regarding BeLight. Why was the AVI support (wnich was in 0.21) removed? It worked fine for me.
I see it is still missing in the latest builds. Do you plan to put it back? Thanks.

Kurtnoise

16th June 2006, 10:35

This has not been removed...it's not included yet. But yes, AVI & VOB support are planned.

tomos

17th June 2006, 23:26

i've just started getting errors again with the latest version

Logging start : 06/17/06 , 23:24:42.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\HDTV Sources\Element PID 014 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -7ms.ac3 -output D:\HDTV Sources\Element PID 014 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -7ms.mp4 -logfile D:\HDTV Sources\Element PID 014 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -7ms.log ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -6chnew -vbr_normal -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he ) -ota( -d -7 -g max ) -boost( /b=3 /l=0.95 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\HDTV Sources\Element PID 014 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -7ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\HDTV Sources\Element PID 014 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY -7ms.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

same as in the old version.

i;ve removed it, and reinstalled it and same problem again. :

this only seems to be with the nero encoder. i've used the others and they work fine ??

gbates

19th June 2006, 00:14

Have you tried bsn.dll replacement from:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=111472 ?

tomos

19th June 2006, 15:23

yep. no diff. i think its something to do with using it too many times or something.

when i first installed it, it was all fine so i copied the folder. it continued to work and when it stopped, i tried using the copy and that works now. the original folder does not.

almost like a trial version. use too many times and it stops.

vlada

19th June 2006, 20:49

This has not been removed...it's not included yet. But yes, AVI & VOB support are planned.

Great! And what about AVS (AviSynth)? I think it would be very useful too.

Kurtnoise

20th June 2006, 08:44

Unfortunately, there is no avs wrapper or something else for BeSweet. In addition, BeSweet is closed sources, so we can't do what we want/dream regarding input features...

XadoX

20th June 2006, 14:32

i am trying to encode some mp2 files directly into aac with the Nero CLI, but I cant get it to work also.

Belight Beta9 + DailyBuild 20060612

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 06/20/06 , 15:27:42.

C:\Programme\Video\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input H:\VIDEO\Outer Limits\AUDIO\MP2\EP025 - Geist und Materie.mp2 -output H:\VIDEO\Outer Limits\AUDIO\MP2\EP025 - Geist und Materie.m4a -logfilea H:\VIDEO\Outer Limits\AUDIO\MP2\EP025 - Geist und Materie.log ) -bsn( -vbr 0.25 -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : H:\VIDEO\Outer Limits\AUDIO\MP2\EP025 - Geist und Materie.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Output: H:\VIDEO\Outer Limits\AUDIO\MP2\EP025 - Geist und Materie.m4a
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 06/20/06 , 15:27:42.

My BeLight dir:

18.04.2006 12:22 507.904 aacenc32.dll
02.04.2004 14:01 11.264 ac3enc.dll
18.12.2003 21:45 52.224 azid.dll
12.06.2006 14:25 2.003.456 BeLight.exe
20.06.2006 15:27 856 BeLight.ini
08.09.2005 23:10 61.440 BeSweet.exe
16.09.2005 19:35 180.224 bse_enhAacPlusEnc3GP.dll
14.09.2005 09:26 53.248 bse_FAAC.dll
10.11.2005 13:35 49.152 bse_Nero7WA.dll
14.09.2005 09:26 53.248 bse_speex.dll
14.09.2005 09:26 53.248 bse_WinampAacPlusV2.dll
14.09.2005 09:26 53.248 bse_WinampAacPlusV2_6ch.dll
05.07.2004 10:39 54.272 bsn.dll
31.05.2004 12:47 286.720 ct-libisomedia.dll
25.08.2005 19:30 243.200 enc_aacplus.dll
16.09.2005 18:44 675.840 enhAacPlusEnc.exe
17.05.2005 13:37 76.800 faac.exe
16.09.2005 22:54 1.829 Guides.htm
20.06.2006 15:01 <DIR> help
15.02.2003 16:25 31.744 hip.dll
22.12.2005 11:29 162.304 lame_enc.dll
20.06.2006 15:03 <DIR> lang
26.07.2004 22:46 650.240 libmmd.dll
08.12.2005 12:34 185.856 libvorbis.dll
23.05.2002 23:40 37.888 mp2enc.dll
26.05.2006 13:00 315.392 neroAacDec.exe
26.05.2006 13:00 847.872 neroAacEnc.exe
26.05.2006 13:04 901.120 neroAacEnc_SSE2.exe
26.05.2006 13:00 176.640 neroAacTag.exe
20.06.2006 15:01 <DIR> Partial_doc
20.06.2006 15:01 <DIR> Rights
18.06.2005 15:58 31.232 shibatch.dll
18.06.2005 17:13 66.560 soundtouch.dll
23.07.2004 08:29 151.552 speexenc.exe
20.06.2006 15:01 65.290 Uninstall.exe
17.12.2002 13:47 189.440 VOBInput.dll

Kurtnoise

20th June 2006, 14:51

Replace your bsn.dll by the last one...There is a link above.

XadoX

20th June 2006, 15:02

thx with the actual bsn.dll from BeHappy (http://gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=1bb59ddf-901b-43a5-bd54-b0999e8e223e) its working

fight2win

22nd June 2006, 17:24

what do u guys think about dialog normalization reduction? in which cases is it good, i mean, in 2-ch to 2-ch transcoding, or in 5/6 ch to 2-ch transcoding? also, what does control rear channel filtering do?

Kurtnoise

22nd June 2006, 18:03

what do u guys think about dialog normalization reduction? in which cases is it good, i mean, in 2-ch to 2-ch transcoding, or in 5/6 ch to 2-ch transcoding?
Most of the time this is recommended. At least with descent AC3 sources. Whatever, stereo or multichannel.

also, what does control rear channel filtering do?
From the Azid doc :
This option controls rear-channel filtering in 2/0 output mode. The
filter is a 2nd order Butterworth filter with at -3 dB point at 7
kHz. There are two major applications for this feature:

o To provide proper Pro Logic downmix of the rear channels

o Phasing-problems in the downmix (washy sound) caused by the rear
channel downmix into the L R channels.

Usually the rear channels are phased 90 deg in respect of the front
channels prior or inside the ac3 encoder. This is done to avoid
phasing problems when downmixing the program contents to two
channels. Some sources do not provide this shifting, and thus this
feature is added.

The filter provides an increasing phase shift according to
frequency. It is 90 deg at 7kHz.

NOTE: This option is only effective when 2/0 output mode is selected
(-d 2/0).

Kurtnoise

26th June 2006, 15:30

Kurtnoise

3rd July 2006, 21:33

Any feedbacks about that ?

I would like to release a new beta this week. So, please let me know if there are some troubles or if all seems to be ok...

Eragon4ever

3rd July 2006, 23:29

Well, there are a few things:
1. Sometimes this appears http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap00019vd.png
and sometimes this
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap00027fe.png

I do not know what you have to know, too.

2. When I abord encoding I have to press the abord butten a second time to get the green arrow. This is annoying.

3. Sometime I add an avi file by mistake. In this case the file size is set to 0 byte and it is destroyed. Very more annoying then the last one.

I hope there are not so many mistakes in this text.

Kurtnoise

4th July 2006, 00:13

1. Sometimes this appears http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap00019vd.png
and sometimes this
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap00027fe.png

Which version did you use ? What kind of logfile did you have ? :logfile:

2. When I abord encoding I have to press the abord butten a second time to get the green arrow. This is annoying.
Yeah...fixed.

3. Sometime I add an avi file by mistake. In this case the file size is set to 0 byte and it is destroyed. Very more annoying then the last one.
Yes...very annoying knowing that there is a warning normally for AVI file : "Sorry, some input files are not supported yet. Use BeLight 0.21 if you want to transcode them." So, I guess you break the rules ?

Eragon4ever

4th July 2006, 11:59

I use "0.2.2.0 beta 9 @20060626".
The BeLight log
[12:41:10] : BeLight Version 0.2.2.0 beta 9 @20060626 gestartet!
[12:41:10] : Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (version 5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
[12:41:10] : Überprüfen der Bibliotheken für BeSweet...
[12:41:10] : VOBInput.dll nicht gefunden!
[12:41:10] : FAAC.exe nicht gefunden...
[12:41:10] : NeroAacEnc nicht gefunden...
[12:41:10] : EnhAacPlusEnc.exe nicht gefunden...
[12:41:10] : SpeexEnc.exe nicht gefunden...
[12:41:10] : Aud-X Encoder available.
[12:45:15] : Richard Cleyderman - Pour Elise.mp3 --> Richard Cleyderman - Pour Elise.ogg
[12:45:15] : Richard Cleyderman - Pour Elise.mp3 --> Richard Cleyderman - Pour Elise.ogg
[12:45:15] : Richard Cleyderman - Pour Elise.mp3 --> Richard Cleyderman - Pour Elise.ogg
[12:45:15] : mattafix - Big city life.mp3 --> mattafix - Big city life.ogg
[12:45:15] : mattafix - Big city life.mp3 --> mattafix - Big city life.ogg
[12:45:15] : Fehler aufgetreten
[12:45:15] : Check your logfile for more infos.

And the new created log
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( 060616(SSE2MT) (based on aoTuV b4b)
) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 07/04/06 , 00:12:24.

E:\Privat\Neuer Ordner\BeSweet 1.5b31\BeSweet.exe -core( -input L:\mattafix - Big city life.mp3 -output L:\mattafix - Big city life.ogg -logfile L:\mattafix - Big city life.log ) -ota( -g max ) -ogg( -q 0.285 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : L:\mattafix - Big city life.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: L:\mattafix - Big city life.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes

I have not found an other log.

About the avi. For me just this appears:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/908/snap00033ku.png
and the file is destroyed.

fight2win

5th July 2006, 11:32

which is the proper way to encode ac3 to aac in belight, i mean, with proper volume, does pregain suffice, and does dialog normalization reduction helps in getting good volume?

Kurtnoise

5th July 2006, 13:56

If your source is clean (i.e from DVDs), choose some Presets. It's enough.

@Eragon4ever : for AVI issue, I know why.

Eragon4ever

7th July 2006, 12:25

That's nice.
Is this going to be fixed or is the problem in front of the monitor?

btw: If you have any question. My next reply will be soonest in one week. So you haven't to wait for it.

cinemania

7th July 2006, 13:47

Hey !

I have big Problem

I don´t can Encode with Soundtouch :(

My Belight Version is 0.21 !

I want to encode ac3 5.1 to ac3 5.1 with 25 -> 23976

But it didn´t work with Soundtouch !

He crashed after the correct Gain was found.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\ARMAGEDDON\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 - 0x81 - Audio - AC3 - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - Deutsch - DELAY -80ms.ac3" -output "E:\ARMAGEDDON\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 - 0x81 - Audio - AC3 - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - Deutsch - DELAY -80ms-new.ac3" ) -azid( -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -d 300 -hybridgain ) -ac3enc( -b 384 -6ch ) -ota( -r 25000 23976 ) <- THIS WORKS

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\ARMAGEDDON\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 - 0x81 - Audio - AC3 - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - Deutsch - DELAY -80ms.ac3" -output "E:\ARMAGEDDON\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 - 0x81 - Audio - AC3 - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - Deutsch - DELAY -80ms-new.ac3" ) -azid( -c normal -L -3db ) -ota( -d 300 -hybridgain ) -ac3enc( -b 384 -6ch ) -soundtouch( -r 25000 23976 ) <- AND THIS WANT WORK

Have any a idea ? I need Soundtouch to Pitch :(

cinemania

7th July 2006, 15:18

Ok!

Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soundtouch work only with wav ;)

Thanks Kurtnoise13

aggressor

12th July 2006, 19:29

I'm having problems using Nero CLI and a 5.1 source. No matter what settings I pick, the resulting bitrate is 600k~, which nearly doubles the size of the source file (which was 384K). I've tried the other Nero method, the one that uses the .dll files, and that works fine.

I'm using the newest daily BeLight, newest BSN, and newest Nero CLI. I'd post a log, but there are no errors of any kind :(

Kurtnoise

12th July 2006, 22:08

Which command line please ?

aggressor

12th July 2006, 22:48

Here is the log:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll replacement by dimzon, Build May 22 2006, 14:24:07

Logging start : 07/12/06 , 16:43:55.

D:\Install Files\Video Programs\BeSweetv1.5b31\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Matrix\testenc\lobbyscene T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -160ms.ac3 -output D:\Matrix\testenc\lobbyscene T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -160ms.m4a -logfile D:\Matrix\testenc\lobbyscene T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -160ms.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -bsn( -vbr 0.54 -aacprofile_lc -6chnew ) -ota( -d -160 -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Matrix\testenc\lobbyscene T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -160ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Matrix\testenc\lobbyscene T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -160ms.m4a
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:-160] | Overall Track Gain: 2.197dB
[00:00:00:-160] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-160] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:-160] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-160] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-160] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-160] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-160] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:-160] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-160] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-160] +---------------------
[00:03:07:072] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:45:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 07/12/06 , 16:44:40.

Original size of 5.1 AC3 file: 8,988,288 bytes
New size of 5.1 AAC file: 16,158,720 bytes

Information on the AAC file from Foobar2000:

tool = Nero AAC codec / May 26 2006
bitrate = 689
samplerate = 48000
channels = 6
codec = AAC
encoding = lossy
codec_profile = LC
----------
8979456 samples @ 48000Hz
File size: 16 154 735 bytes

And this is supposedly using the 192k 5.1 profile.

aggressor

13th July 2006, 07:35

Ugh, I just noticed that the Nero (Bundled) version doesn't work either. Even though I select 5.1, the resulting file only has 2 channels.

Am I doing something wrong? Here is a log from Nero (Bundled):

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll replacement by dimzon, Build May 22 2006, 14:24:07

Logging start : 07/13/06 , 00:58:25.

D:\Install Files\Video Programs\BeSweetv1.5b31\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Matrix\MainTrackAC3.ac3 -output D:\Matrix\MainTrackAC3.m4a -logfile D:\Matrix\MainTrackAC3.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -bsn( -vbr_extreme -codecquality_high -aacprofile_lc ) -ota( -hybridgain )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Incoming\Usenet\alt.binaries.dvd9\MainTrackAC3.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Incoming\Usenet\alt.binaries.dvd9\MainTrackAC3.m4a
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

Kurtnoise

13th July 2006, 09:08

Original size of 5.1 AC3 file: 8,988,288 bytes
New size of 5.1 AAC file: 16,158,720 bytes
Your quality level [0.54] is too high. That's why you have such things. Try q=0.3 and lower...

And this is supposedly using the 192k 5.1 profile.
Yes, presets for 5.1 are not well tuned. It depends essentially of your sources.

About Nero bundle. Mmh yeah. -6chnew switch seems to be missing. I'll change this.

aggressor

13th July 2006, 10:04

Oh, that sucks. I didn't see any warning about the profiles not being accurate for 5.1 :( Picking .15 finally got the target bitrate I was looking for.

Sigh, I've spent so much time on the audio part of ripping movies compared to everything else :(

Kurtnoise

13th July 2006, 10:31

There are no warning because this is a daily build. Some improvements/changes might be available soon That's all.

and btw, if you looking for a target bitrate don't use quality level but bitrate mode instead.

edit: make presets for 5.1 is far to be easy, especially with quality levels. So stop to complain...

Boow

18th July 2006, 18:05

I don't know if this has been brought up but I'm having a problem with frame rate conversion 25.00 to 23.976. I'm getting 0 byte files. I can use besweet gui with no problems. Any one else get this.

Kurtnoise

19th July 2006, 02:25

Post your logfile...

Boow

19th July 2006, 20:20

Well here's the log not much there doesn't leave the besweet log

6 [14:05:49] : BeLight version 0.2.2.0 beta 9 started ! Z [14:05:49] : Microsoft Windows XP Professional (version 5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) / [14:05:49] : Checking libraries for BeSweet... F [14:05:49] : Ok, no problem. All dlls are included in BeLight folder. , [14:05:49] : aacenc32.dll 3.2.0.30 detected ( [14:05:49] : aac.dll 2.5.9.991 detected ' [14:07:29] : movie.wav --> movie_1.wav ' [14:10:21] : movie.wav --> movie_2.wav

here's the besweet commandline

BeSweet.exe -core( -input "I:\movie.wav" -output "I:\movie_3.wav" -2ch ) -azid( -s stereo -L -3db ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -soundtouch( -r 25000 23.976 )

Boow

19th July 2006, 20:52

I noticed the -azid setting in there so i unchecked it in the advanced settings but it still outputs the 0 byte files. So there must be something wrong in the 25.000 to 23.976 frame rate conversion.

Kurtnoise

20th July 2006, 08:35

Try with the last daily build which is available on CoreCodec.org...I can't reproduce your bug here.

andru123

27th July 2006, 09:14

Processing of multiple files (batch) is not operational - it processes only the file which is selected with the cursor (usually the last one added)

DeeGee

11th August 2006, 09:08

I tried making a 5.1 AC3 -> 5.1 AAC (Nero Digital) conversion, but seems like there is problem with either belight, besweet or nero. The straight conversion just ends up with corrupted .mp4 file, and trying to do 5.1 AC3 -> 5.1 WAV conversion and then compressing, ends up with a .wav file 2:04:16 long, when the AC3 is 2:51:21 long. When searching for track gain, the scan seemed to do the whole file, so I don't understand what's the problem with the output. The WAV file is well over 4 GB, so i don't think that's the problem either.

[edit] Made some calculations and maby the wav file is made correctly but the programs i tried to play it with can't go over the 4GB limit, as it seems the limit comes just on 2:04:16... Should -ignorelength on nero encoder commandline fix this? I guess I'll just need to try it out.

Shouldn't Belight signal the -ignorelength to the nero encoder automatically? It's annoying having to first decode to huge wav and then encode it yourself.

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).

Logging start : 08/11/06 , 11:11:38.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\DVD\TGTBTU_D124\VIDEO_TS\The Good, The Bad and The Ugly T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output D:\DVD\TGTBTU_D124\VIDEO_TS\The Good, The Bad and The Ugly T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.wav -6chwav -logfile D:\DVD\TGTBTU_D124\VIDEO_TS\The Good, The Bad and The Ugly T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -ota( -d 0 -hybridgain )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\DVD\TGTBTU_D124\VIDEO_TS\The Good, The Bad and The Ugly T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\DVD\TGTBTU_D124\VIDEO_TS\The Good, The Bad and The Ugly T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 4.383dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[02:51:21:440] Conversion Completed !
[02:51:21:440] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 417kbps
[00:16:29:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/11/06 , 11:28:07.

tebasuna51

11th August 2006, 10:07

Made some calculations and maby the wav file is made correctly but the programs i tried to play it with can't go over the 4GB limit, as it seems the limit comes just on 2:04:16... Should -ignorelength on nero encoder commandline fix this?
Yes, you need -ignorelength to encode > 4 GB wav.
For an ac3 2:51:21 long 6 chan 48 KHz, the wav must be 5.5 GB.

DeeGee

11th August 2006, 10:13

Yes, the WAV-file is 5.51GB. Ok. so now I should get it encoded. Only wonder is why didn't straight encoding from AC3 to AAC work. Is it like I guessed and BeLight doesn't tell nero encoder to -ignorelength?

Kurtnoise

11th August 2006, 10:55

Is it like I guessed and BeLight doesn't tell nero encoder to -ignorelength?
It uses this switch but you need the last bsn.dll with it...Check the link above.

DeeGee

11th August 2006, 12:33

Aah, yes. I should have read trough the thread so I wouldn't have needed to bother you. Well thank you anyway. :thanks:

humax

16th September 2006, 11:47

hello

is the development for BeLight stopped ??

cu

SeeMoreDigital

16th September 2006, 12:07

I wouldn't have thought so... Kurtnoise has been pretty busy with YAMB 2.0 ;)

Besides, I'd love to see FLAC encoding incorporated into BeLight :D

Kurtnoise

16th September 2006, 12:36

is the development for BeLight stopped ??
Not stopped actually...but I'm quite busy with other things at the moment (not Yamb or anything else but with my real life).

The more important : I'm waiting the next MediaInfo release which will fix some bugs for VOBs files (I need this to know the right duration to include VOB as input) and the next Tranzcode version for dts support.

Bluedan

16th September 2006, 21:43

About the bug concerning multiple input files in the list. Check out this build (http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=299#r299) and let me know if it's ok for you. It works fine for me.

Well, with this build, which seems to be the last one available, the bug is still there: multiple file processing is impossibe.

I know and appreciate, that you are preparing for a YAMB 2.0 release and are messing with real life trouble, but is there a way for a quick'n dirty fix? It is daring to speak up for the entire community, but I found this to be the most annoying bug to date. Reason: Multiple language DVD conversion.
And the last daily build was ment to fix this, but is 3 months old.
I don't complain, instead I ask, for I know it's your hobby in a real life world. :thanks:

mroz

22nd September 2006, 20:16

I seem to be suffering from a plague of Error 84's moaning about being unable to configure bsn - even on encodes which I thought didn't involve bsn.

I'm using Belight 0.22b9 20060626 to transcode ac3 to aac. ATM I can't get anywhere using Nero - either the bundle or command line encoder. I have bsn_20060523, WA_aac-2.3, NeroDigitalAudio1002, enc_aacplus from WinAmp525-0868b-pro & the Nero dlls from 7.0.5.x

All my machines chuck out Error 84 when trying to transcode ac3 to aac using the Nero options.

I managed to get one machine to work with the CT WinAmp encoder. The others threw up more Error 84s.

Is this Error particularly informative? Searching on the forums seems to show lots of unrelated cases where it crops up. Can one get any more detailed logging out of Belight?

I compared my working install against the non working & eventually figured out the non working one was missing the nscrt.dll from WinAmp. Adding this fixed the problem.

This leads me to ask a few questions:

Wasn't Belight able to realise which dlls were required but absent & log this info?

Any idea how nscrt.dll got into one of my Belight installs, as I know I didn't manually copy it there? If Belight is smart enough to find & copy it itself, why didn't this work on the other machine nor lead to a suitable error in the log?

Can logging of problems please be made more detailed? :)

What does Error 84 actually mean? How is bsn involved in all these encode issues when it doesn't appear to be involved by examination of the command lines in use.

I know installation will never be entirely trivially as Belight uses many third party components, but could there at least be a readme which states which files need to be copied where & in the case of dlls, what versions are required?

It took me ages to realise I needed a newer version of bsn to utilise the nero commandline encoder. It took me longer to figure out I needed nscrt.dll for the WinAmp encoder (I've not read of this anywhere even yet). I'd guess my other Nero encoder problems are of a similar nature.

I might not spend 20 hours a day working in this area, nor be a genius, but I'm pretty bright & don't give up that quickly, yet I still find setting up Belight to be quite problematic in many respects.

Kurtnoise

23rd September 2006, 08:50

1/ Uninstall Nero 7.xxxx.
2/ Grab & unzip in a fresh folder BeLight_20060626 version.
3/ Grab BeSweet 1.5b31 from here (http://dspguru.doom9.net).
4/ Replace bsn in the BeSweet package by the new one (bsn_20060523).
5/ Copy NeroAACEnc.exe from NeroDigitalAudio1002 in the same BeSweet folder.

Should be ok now for transcoding AC3 to AAC with the Nero CLI switches...

edit : in this case, Error 84 means that BeSweet is not able to set bsn properly.

mroz

23rd September 2006, 23:12

1/ Uninstall Nero 7.xxxx.

If necessary I can do this for testing purposes on one particular machine, but it's not workable if part of a long term solution. For now I'll try without this step.

2/ Grab & unzip in a fresh folder BeLight_20060626 version.
3/ Grab BeSweet 1.5b31 from here (http://dspguru.doom9.net).
4/ Replace bsn in the BeSweet package by the new one (bsn_20060523).
5/ Copy NeroAACEnc.exe from NeroDigitalAudio1002 in the same BeSweet folder.

I have all of those already, but will try a clean install following your directions in a new directory - glad you don't rely on registry settings, as this makes it easy to test parallel installs.

Should be ok now for transcoding AC3 to AAC with the Nero CLI switches...

And it is :) ...so back to a file by file comparison to figure this out...

Ah, interesting. In my original install I'd put NeroAACEnc.exe at C:\WINDOWS\system32\neroAacEnc.exe so it was in my path, & used Options->...->ExeFilesBrowser to inform Belight of the location.

It seems this it what's leading to the error & the failure. If I copy the exe into the Belight install directory & tell it to use that one, encoding works. Thanks for helping me find the problem. Is this a bug in Belight then?

Oh, re encoders, do you have an opinion on the comparative quality of the Nero CLI encoder compared to the WinAmp one? I'm mostly interested in 5.1 around 192 Kbps for use in video encodes.

Kurtnoise

24th September 2006, 13:06

If necessary I can do this for testing purposes on one particular machine, but it's not workable if part of a long term solution. For now I'll try without this step.
If you don't use the burning app, Nero 7.xxx is not needed here.

In my original install I'd put NeroAACEnc.exe at C:\WINDOWS\system32\neroAacEnc.exe so it was in my path, & used Options->...->ExeFilesBrowser to inform Belight of the location.

It seems this it what's leading to the error & the failure. If I copy the exe into the Belight install directory & tell it to use that one, encoding works. Thanks for helping me find the problem. Is this a bug in Belight then?
my fault & bsn restriction...not really a bug.

Oh, re encoders, do you have an opinion on the comparative quality of the Nero CLI encoder compared to the WinAmp one? I'm mostly interested in 5.1 around 192 Kbps for use in video encodes.
Both are good for this target but *my* vote goes to the Nero CLI.

mroz

25th September 2006, 13:17

If you don't use the burning app, Nero 7.xxx is not needed here.
Indeed. I was just concerned you were suggesting there was an incompatibility, which would have been a problem for me, as I rely on Nero for burning & for Recode.

my fault & bsn restriction...not really a bug.
Ah, so it's a feature ;)

Both are good for this target but *my* vote goes to the Nero CLI.
Cheers.

soundino

27th September 2006, 09:50

I have put BeLight-0.22beta9_20060926.
At coding wav_pcm in ac3 by means of aften.exe, BeLight writes " ' (the name of a file) ' is not valid intager value ".
At switching on ac3enc there is a same inscription.
Why?

Kurtnoise

27th September 2006, 11:16

I forgot something...I'll upload a new build tonight.

soundino

28th September 2006, 01:09

Kurtnoise13, Thanks. The warning has disappeared!

Kurtnoise

30th September 2006, 16:49

Some news in the last daily build :
Aften & Flake support added (bsn_20060930 needed).
CT AAC encoder updated (WA_aac.dll v 2.4 needed).
Some new Priority Threads.

For the bug with multiple input files, don't use the Drag&Drop but Menu -- Files --> Add Files instead. I must have to rewrite this function I think...:o

http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=308#r308

the new bsn.dll and WA_aac.dll versions are available also on CC.org (Dimzon BeSweet plugins dir).

fight2win

1st October 2006, 10:44

what does "tune for speech" does in ct aac encoding?

Kurtnoise

1st October 2006, 11:22

Enable the internal switch for the encoder especially dedicated to the blahblah streams (voices and speech)...

fight2win

1st October 2006, 12:03

so, should it be used for ac3 to aac encoding (source: dvd movie tracks...)???

Kurtnoise

1st October 2006, 12:53

if you have some dialogs why not...

tebasuna51

1st October 2006, 12:56

so, should it be used for ac3 to aac encoding (source: dvd movie tracks...)???
Not at all, speech have a limited bandwidth and don't be used with movie tracks.

Use speech for contents like training, learning languages, news, ...

shon3i

1st October 2006, 13:21

Did, somebody try PNS. I tink can incrase quality @ 24kbs.

Rockaria

1st October 2006, 14:04

--speech - tune Encoder Engine for Speech
--pns - Enable Perceptual Noise Subsitution

Both options are said for speech enhancement, in different processes, (might be) usable together.
Considering these are configurable given the same aac conding condition(bit rate, mode,,,), applying to movie clips to get clearer dialog sounds also reasonable.

[edit] more->also,,, 4min

Kurtnoise

1st October 2006, 14:08

Not at all, speech have a limited bandwidth and don't be used with movie tracks...
It depends of movie tracks content I'd say. Directors or Actors comments as example...

Rockaria

1st October 2006, 15:56

shon3i

1st October 2006, 20:29

@shon3i,

Are there any guidelines(i.e. suggested bitrate boundaries) for the -pns and -speech?
I don't find any restrictions in the source.

A demo AAC pns coding in a slugish pdf(http://sound.media.mit.edu/mpeg4/audio/general/aes106_1-GeneralAudio.pdf) on Suzan Vega
is @ 32 kbit/s, fs=48 kHz, bandwidth 14 kHz .
There is no any restrictions, and both can be used on any bitrate. But winamp devs recommend pns only for LC-AAC encoding, so i have no idea where is best to use, which bitrate and other. IMHO i don't see any differents when is PNS on, i tryed with 64kbps LC-AAC, but i can't find noticable differents becuse have 14khz bandwith

Kurtnoise

1st October 2006, 23:16

PNS is targeted to improve efficiency for the lower bitrates...just like SBR tool.

Rockaria

2nd October 2006, 03:34

Thanks, it sounds to me the SBR is taking the high-bands while PNS is taking certain components images by the perception models, to regenerate the component/bands images when decoding. Some components area might be overlapping the SBR band, but not allways or completely.

• Perceptual Noise Substitution (PNS):
Exploiting noise-like components in the signal
• Long Term Prediction (LTP):
Taking advantage of very stationary / tonal signals

The -speech option seems to be the LTP in the linked pdf(last page), presumed mostly effective on monologues.

Kurtnoise

2nd October 2006, 10:06

Yep...note also that PNS is only compatible with MPEG-4 AAC not MPEG-2 AAC streams.

soundino

2nd October 2006, 12:15

BeLight 20061002 does not code in the following cases:
ac3(wav-pcm) -> Nero Digital (CLI) HEv2 *.m4a;
ac3(wav-pcm) -> Nero Digital (CLI) HE *.m4a;
wav-pcm -> 3GP Reference "EnhAacPlusEnc.exe is missing in BeSweet folder", though this file lays in a folder with BeSweet;
wav-pcm -> Speex, hangs also occurs nothing;
Why?
I use bsn_20060930 and WA_aac-2.4(20060930)
Where to take the information on flake?

Kurtnoise

2nd October 2006, 12:41

BeLight 20061002 does not code in the following cases:
ac3(wav-pcm) -> Nero Digital (CLI) HEv2 *.m4a;
ac3(wav-pcm) -> Nero Digital (CLI) HE *.m4a;

works fine here...

wav-pcm -> 3GP Reference "EnhAacPlusEnc.exe is missing in BeSweet folder", though this file lays in a folder with BeSweet;
wav-pcm -> Speex, hangs also occurs nothing;
Why?
For Speex, it works *only* with input files with 8/16/32 KHz as Sampling Rate. For the 3GPP reference, this will be fixed in the next build.

Where to take the information on flake?
On the website : http://flake-enc.sourceforge.net/ but what kind of infos would you like ?

shon3i

2nd October 2006, 18:53

Thanks, it sounds to me the SBR is taking the high-bands while PNS is taking certain components images by the perception models, to regenerate the component/bands images when decoding. Some components area might be overlapping the SBR band, but not allways or completely.

The -speech option seems to be the LTP in the linked pdf(last page), presumed mostly effective on monologues.
PNS scans noise and try to see is that noise is real noise or isn't, if yes then instead encode that noise, only signal that spectrum in bitstream. When decoding decoder generate random noise and put it desired signaled places. PNS must detect right places of noise or big artifacts will be noticable.

Rockaria

2nd October 2006, 22:15

Yes, I also expect 'right place' in the timeline & channel, when reproduce, with kinda component-instance-serialized-descriptions.
When seperating the Exploiting noise-like component instances in the signal, those meta info will be saved in a most precise/brief format.

We may require some more quotes from the related doc(s)..

guada 2

2nd October 2006, 23:33

Kurtnoise13,

Great job, update is OK.

A+ ;)

Bentso

17th October 2006, 14:12

BeLight 20061002 does not code in the following cases:
ac3(wav-pcm) -> Nero Digital (CLI) HEv2 *.m4a;
ac3(wav-pcm) -> Nero Digital (CLI) HE *.m4a;

I can't get HEv2 work either. HE works ok though.

MrPiercer

20th October 2006, 15:52

Is there a time frame for file list processing? I have a couple of hundred files in about 50 different dirs that I'd like to convert...

Kurtnoise

20th October 2006, 17:55

No...

Kurtnoise

20th October 2006, 17:57

I can't get HEv2 work either.
For Encoding or Playback ?

What kind of target bitrate or quality level did you set ?

Bentso

21st October 2006, 11:15

For encoding.

I tried to encode 5.1 AC3 to 5.1 AAC HEv2 Q = 0,2 and it didn't work. BeLight doesn't give any error. When I start the encoding it just stops after the PreGain part and the output size of the encoded file is 0 bytes.

I just tried stereo HEv2 file and it encoded properly.

Maybe the 5.1 isn't supported in HEv2.

tebasuna51

21st October 2006, 12:02

I just tried stereo HEv2 file and it encoded properly.

Maybe the 5.1 isn't supported in HEv2.
AAC HE v2 = AAC HE + PS = AAC + SBR + PS

SBR = Spectral Band Replication

PS = Parametric Stereo
"The Parametric Stereo encoder extracts a parametric representation of the stereo image of an audio signal, whereas only a monaural representation of the original signal is encoded in a conventional fashion. The stereo image information is represented as a small amount of high quality parametric stereo information and transmitted along with the monaural signal in the bit stream. Based on the parametric stereo information, the decoder is capable of regenerating the stereo image."

shon3i

21st October 2006, 12:29

AAC HE v2 = AAC HE + PS = AAC + SBR + PS

SBR = Spectral Band Replication

PS = Parametric Stereo
"The Parametric Stereo encoder extracts a parametric representation of the stereo image of an audio signal, whereas only a monaural representation of the original signal is encoded in a conventional fashion. The stereo image information is represented as a small amount of high quality parametric stereo information and transmitted along with the monaural signal in the bit stream. Based on the parametric stereo information, the decoder is capable of regenerating the stereo image."
Visualy

http://www.codingtechnologies.com/products/assets/PS_level1.gif

soundino

23rd October 2006, 02:51

I have understood so.

At coding 5.1wav-pcm a file on a parameter of quality:
- At 0.2 <Q <0.3 it is received AAC HE;
- At Q> 0.3 it is received AAC LC;
- At Q <0.2 for 5.1wav-pcm coding does not occur and probably it is connected to installations of the coder.
AAC HEv2 it turns out for stereo-wav a file at 0 <Q <0.1. At 0.1 <Q <0.4 it is received AAC HE, and at Q> 0.4 it is received AAC LC.

By the way, WinAmp (CT) at me for some reason refused to code in AAC LC.

logfile:

Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

C:\Audio tools\BeLight-0.22beta9_20060930\BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\Music\prob.wav -output E:\Music\prob.aac -logfile E:\Music\prob.log ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 320 -mode 2 -lc )
[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\Music\prob.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\Music\prob.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

tebasuna51

23rd October 2006, 08:55

@soundino
1) stereo wav
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 320 -mode 2 -lc )
OK

2) wav 6 chan
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 320 -lc -6chnew )
OK

3) wav 6 chan
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 320 -mode 2 -lc )
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...

Is your prob.wav 6 chan?

Kurtnoise

23rd October 2006, 09:03

Note that with BeLight, -6chnew is setted automatically...Otherwise your bsn.dll is too old.

tebasuna51

23rd October 2006, 11:29

Note that with BeLight, -6chnew is setted automatically...Otherwise your bsn.dll is too old.
If last setting is Stereo and I open a wav6, I need set manually 5.1 otherwise I get the "Error 84: error configuring bsn!" with BeLight.

bsn.dll 49152 bytes 30-09-2006
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 10/23/06 , 09:45:13.

D:\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\6chan.wav -output D:\outp.aac )
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 320 -mode 2 -lc )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\6chan.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\outp.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 10/23/06 , 09:45:13.

Kurtnoise

23rd October 2006, 12:28

yes, just like for all 5.1 output :). You have to check "5.1" for output channel because is stereo by default...

by automatically, I meant "click on 5.1 and -6chnew will be added in the command line"...

tebasuna51

23rd October 2006, 13:33

Sorry Kurtnoise, I misunderstand your previous comment.

@soundino
If your prob.wav is 6 channels you must check "5.1" button.

soundino

24th October 2006, 09:39

I use bsn.dll 49152 bytes 30-09-2006.
At coding probe6ch.wav with set "5.1" button.
Logfile:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

C:\Audio tools\BeLight-0.22beta9_20060930\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\temp\prob\1\probe6ch.wav -output C:\temp\prob\1\probe6ch_1.aac -logfile C:\temp\prob\1\probe6ch_1.log ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 320 -lc -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\temp\prob\1\probe6ch.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\temp\prob\1\probe6ch_1.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

In general, I do not understand, that occurs!:(

P.S. At coding probe6ch.wav in HE AAC all is normal.

Kurtnoise

24th October 2006, 12:33

That's strange...can't reproduce this here. Which enc_aacplus.dll did you use ? (at least, check the date in Properties of this library.)

soundino

24th October 2006, 13:29

Thanks Kurtnoise13.
Really, at me was old enc_aacplus.dll a file.
Once again all thanks!:)

sillKotscha

26th October 2006, 21:07

Hi Kurtnoise13,

I have a question about the BeLight Log-file...

it states that two encoder are missing but AFAIK I should have all off them in my BeLight-Folder...

does BeLight doesn't recognize them - therefor the error message - or do I have wrong versions (= too old version?)

thanks in advance, Sill

Log:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2483/logqr9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

my "installed" *.exe files:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5291/exenc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

my "installed" *.dll files:

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4250/dllwf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT:

btw, do I have obsolete files in my BeLight directory? And it is impossible to reach http://www.corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=292#r292 at the moment... is there any other place to download dimzon's latest files?

slicksta

26th October 2006, 22:25

Im trying transcode a whole heap of mp3s to mp4 or AAC+ to use in my W850 (sony/ericsson phone), but despite going over this forum, I cant seem to find a solution to getting more than 1 input file to process at a time. For some reason it only processes the last file in the list. I have a few thousand to do, so 1 at a time would take forever. Any help/advice appreciated. Im using 0.22beta9.

Bluedan

26th October 2006, 22:49

@slicksta Your question has already been answered here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=881619#post881619)

Don't use drag'n drop, but open file(s) dialogue.

Kurtnoise

27th October 2006, 12:58

I have a question about the BeLight Log-file...

it states that two encoder are missing but AFAIK I should have all off them in my BeLight-Folder...

does BeLight doesn't recognize them - therefor the error message - or do I have wrong versions (= too old version?)

This is not errors but just some warnings...:) Errors are reported with an other picture (the white cross with red background). Besides, BeLight works fine even these warnings.

I know there is a bug with enAacplusEnc. It's already fixed but I can't upload a new build at the moment as you can see...CC.org is down for me too. Maybe tonight...

About Aud-X encoder, this is not the right one. You just have to install Aud-X installer (BeLight uses the Aud-X encoder from Program Files\Aud-X\...) and that should be ok. Note that there is none obligation to install this compressor (only needed for mp3 surround).

About obsolete files : if you use NeroAACEnc.exe then aac.dll & aacenc32.dll are useless. Same thing with bsn.dll : if you use this last one then all bse_xxxxx.dll are not needed anymore.

sillKotscha

27th October 2006, 17:25

Hi Kurtnoise13,

thank you for the answer.

TheManuel

28th October 2006, 16:51

Is there a daily build of BeLight that supports both .avi files as input and the Aften encoder?

Thanks.

Kurtnoise

28th October 2006, 16:59

Nope...but avi support will be included soon.

TheManuel

28th October 2006, 17:58

Great! I look forward to that.
Thanks for sharing your work.

Audionut

29th October 2006, 01:43

Hi, I'm trying to mux 6 mono wav files to a 5.1 wave file. But all i'm getting is noise in return.

The transcode finishes completely and the file is created.

slicksta

2nd November 2006, 04:33

"@slicksta Your question has already been answered here.

Don't use drag'n drop, but open file(s) dialogue"

Like I said Ive been over this entire forum. This was the first thing I tried. For some reason its still not working. Only transcodes one file from the list. Am I missing something?
I tried different encoders as well as previous Belight versions, & still no go. Any suggestions/solutions?

m0rtal

2nd November 2006, 07:23

Bluedan

2nd November 2006, 09:14

Indeed. Slicksta, sorry, you were right. I confirm.

m0rtal

2nd November 2006, 10:44

Indeed. Slicksta, sorry, you were right. I confirm.
so it's a common problem? :-\

slicksta

4th November 2006, 07:06

Indeed. Slicksta, sorry, you were right. I confirm.

Thanx for confirming Bluedan

Any suggestions Kurtnoise?

Kurtnoise

5th November 2006, 10:38

Any suggestions Kurtnoise?
Wait a new build...or use fb2k.

MacAddict

5th November 2006, 16:45

The AC3 384kbps preset enables 'hybrid' gain. Is this correct or should I use 'pre-gain'? I'm using the Aften mode so should I have anything else turned on within the 'advanced' window such as DNR?

Any info is much appreciated. Thx again for such a great app!

Kurtnoise

5th November 2006, 16:56

What kind of source do you have ?

MacAddict

6th November 2006, 05:53

My source is 448kbps AC3. Just curious what people are using.

Kurtnoise

6th November 2006, 09:29

Well, Hybridgain or PreGain don't hurt transcoding you know...Same thing for DNR.

MacAddict

7th November 2006, 03:14

So DNR really has no effect when transcoding high bitrate AC3 to lower bitrate? Interesting! Thx

vlada

7th November 2006, 17:48

I don't know if anyone already rported similar problems, but I found this issue:

Belight daily 20061002, Aften 0.5 rev. 214

I opened an MP3 and want to transcode it to AC3 384 kbps (using Aften). The result was na .ac3 file with too small size. When I checked the file, it was in fact an MP4 with AAC LC 83 kbps (created by Nero encoder). If I select AC3Enc instead of Aften, everything goes fine. What might be wrong?

Kurtnoise

7th November 2006, 18:26

Well...increasing the bitrate is more than useless dude.

Anyway, no problem for me. Maybe your bsn.dll is too old.

tebasuna51

7th November 2006, 18:48

So DNR really has no effect when transcoding high bitrate AC3 to lower bitrate? Interesting! Thx
Dialog Normalization Reduction (DNR) is a fix amount of attenuation applied to all volume range (based in DialNorm parameter in BSI of ac3 headers) by the decoder, if you apply after a ota PreGain (HybridGain had no sense because ac3 don't accept gain after encoded) any effect of DNR is lose.

The important decision is apply, or not, the DRC (Dynamic Range Compression). The only reason I can figure to transcode from 448 ac3 to 384 ac3 is if you have a 5.1 audio equipment without DRC incorporated and don't support a wide dynamic range volume.

Then, in this case, is recommended apply the DRC normal (maybe the heavy) and --maximize or ota PreGain.
When you encode with Aften don't use -dnorm (default 31) or -dynrng (default 5-None).

raquete

29th November 2006, 16:34

i can' download the last beta.
Kurt's links in not opening: http://corecodec.org/frs/?group_id=45&release_id=245#r245

can someone help me to download BeLight 0.22 beta 9 please?
thanks in advance.

Bluedan

29th November 2006, 19:06

First search with google. (http://www.codec-download.de/content/view/345/119/)
Think global. :D

MacAddict

29th November 2006, 19:17

Too bad the daily builds arent available. CoreCodec's web site is just a mess for months now :-(

raquete

29th November 2006, 19:39

First search with google. (http://www.codec-download.de/content/view/345/119/)
Think global. :Di think first with my brain(...i think that is brain and not mind or is the reverse?)
thinking global inside the Belight forum?you're probably misconfused... :p
BIG thanks for the link

humax

3rd December 2006, 18:26

Yes - Daily Buils arent available .

Maybe Kurtnoise can fix this problem

Kurtnoise

5th December 2006, 04:41

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/

bingo

4th January 2007, 14:31

There seams to be a problem when I try to convert many files (music).
I tried to convert:
mpa -> wav doesn’t work!
mpa -> mp3 doesn’t work!
with 1-4 files it works fine
with 5-6 files Belight hangs a few seconds….

I tested “Belight 0.2.2.0 beta 9” + the latest daily build.

EpheMeroN

8th February 2007, 06:42

Boulder

8th February 2007, 08:05

I recall using TooLame was the higher quality of the two free MP2 encoders.Now there's the TwoLame fork, which should be better. See rarewares.org.I recall that 224 was the proper SVCD audio bitrate. I know you have to downsample to 44100hz.The supported audio bitrate is 32-384kbps. Most standalone players will accept 48kHz so you might want to try that before downsampling. I don't think I've ever experienced any volume loss when resampling.

foxyshadis

8th February 2007, 12:18

I'm encoding some SVCDs and I am trying to recall information about the MP2 audio you need for an SVCD.

I recall using TooLame was the higher quality of the two free MP2 encoders. I recall that 224 was the proper SVCD audio bitrate. I know you have to downsample to 44100hz. And I also remember reading that when you do this downsample the audio tends to be less loud than before. Should I go from "normal" to "heavy" dynamic compression? I have the BeSweet OTA set to HybridGain. With HybridGain enabled, should I still normalize? Does that even help? Finally, can SVCD MP2 audio contain surround information, i.e. DPLII "Output Mode" in BeLight? Or do I just choose "stereo"?

DVD players will sometimes apply DRC to DVDs but not SVCDs, though, which is probably where the "volume loss" came from. If you have time to try both ways, it's probably worth testing, you wouldn't want to accidentally have DRC applied twice, or it'll sound more like a radio recording ("heavy" would anyway). Normalization is usually a good idea though, even if it won't change much.

According to el faq (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=424064#post424064), DPLII is the proper way of getting surround in MP2.

Boulder

8th February 2007, 12:20

I think the dynamic compression means here the compression applied during decoding to WAV which is done when you do AC3->MP2. I myself would disable it.

tebasuna51

8th February 2007, 14:47

When a player play ac3 (DVD/avi) with DRC info inside, the user can select if DRC is applied or not, playing mp2/mp3 (VCD/SVCD/avi) DRC info not exist then can't be applied.

Decoding ac3 to mp2/mp3 the user must select between:

1) Don't apply the DRC info inside the ac3. The full dynamic range is preserved (more quality) but you need a good audio equipment.

2) Apply now the DRC info inside the ac3 ('normal' in first choice) , recommended for users with low quality audio equipment (the typical ac3 low volume problem ...) or to be played in noisy environment, portable equipments or so on.

- Of course dplII is recommended and is supported by any 2 channel format (mp2, mp3, ...). Only is required a dplII decoder in audio equipment to recover the 5 original channels (more or less). If dplII decoder not exist is played like regular stereo.

- The normalize 100% in Azid Settings can be used instead ota.
If you have ota HybridGain selected is unnecessary the azid maximize.

LigH

17th February 2007, 17:40

So many calendar date builds...

May it be time to release another beta version?

HeadBangeR77

18th February 2007, 12:30

I second that. :)

I've been using "BeLight-0.22beta9_20061002" since it was released, and it's buggy in some parts, mostly in command line options, where some custom switches seem to disappear auto-magically or cannot be removed, after I've used them just for one transcoding. :confused:
The above had not been happening with beta9.

Also, kind of OT, it would be good if someone could host more recent encoding libraries for BeSweet as a small update package. Many people just download both applications and use them, not knowing that for instance Vorbis libraries or lame_enc are much outdated. Also, if someone likes to use all-in-one transcoding solutions, the support for Aften shall be updated.

cheers,
HDBR77

PS. Still my favourite transcoding software though. ;)

dwrbudr

19th February 2007, 13:43

What is needed to use enc_aacplus.dll from latest WinAmp 5.33? Maybe bsn.dll, but where to find it?

[00:00:00:000] -- Initializing...
Error: -3
Can't load enc_aacplus.dll !

HeadBangeR77

19th February 2007, 14:44

Should it really be due to bsn.dll missing, then you can find the library here:

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/

The link is just a few posts above ;)

dwrbudr

19th February 2007, 15:38

Still no go with the latest bsn.dll and WA_aac.dll from the site provided. I can use older enc_aacplus.dll but not that from WinAmp 5.33

vlada

19th February 2007, 16:10

I think it would be very nice to have a new official release with these features: Aften encoder, AVI support, Nero AAC encoder support, latest Vorbis and lame encoders etc.

The only 2 alternatives are foobar2000, which might be difficult to set up for beginners and BeHappy, which isn't very easy neither and has AviSynth and .NET 2.0 dependency.

tebasuna51

19th February 2007, 18:40

The only 2 alternatives are foobar2000, which might be difficult to set up for beginners and BeHappy, which isn't very easy neither and has AviSynth and .NET 2.0 dependency.
If the problem is the .NET 2.0 dependency, you can try another AviSynth method the SoundOut plugin (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120025)

Kurtnoise

19th February 2007, 19:06

Still no go with the latest bsn.dll and WA_aac.dll from the site provided. I can use older enc_aacplus.dll but not that from WinAmp 5.33
No problem here...May I see your logfile ?

@all: new packages should be online this weekend at http://coreforge.org/ (CoreCodec.org moves to CoreForge.org)

Adub

19th February 2007, 19:27

@dwrbudr
you need nscrt.dll as well, in order to get it running.

vlada

20th February 2007, 01:28

tebasuna51
I know this plugin, seems very interesting to me. But it still needs some AviSynth knowledge. I'm trying to find the simplest solution possible for my audio-video processing guides. I think it is BeLight, but many users are now confused with all the different BeLight versions that are around and they don't which one to pick.

Kurtnoise13
That will be great, thank you very much for your work.

Pookie

20th February 2007, 01:56

vlada - ffmpeg can do most of the functions you require. And if this is for beginners anyway, they probably won't notice a big difference in sound quality. I'd still use Aften for AC3, however.

ffmpeg for: aac, mp3, mp2, AVI support, wav

aften for: ac3

Maybe a command line normalizer/limiter and and a resampler like SSRC_HP

Kurtnoise

20th February 2007, 06:19

faac is quite old compared to Nero Digital and/or CT encoders and has much less features (no sbr, no ps tools...) than previous ones.

blacksword's vorbis tunings are so great too...:)

intelinside69

20th February 2007, 08:18

foxyshadis

20th February 2007, 09:06

Don't post in the sticky, and don't cross-post. >(

Er, does besweet even work with AVI files? Don't you have to use vdubmod/avimux gui to demux the audio first? Pretty sure you do, so you should try that first.

vlada

20th February 2007, 09:19

@foxyshadis: BeSweet supports AVI. But only Belight 0.21 supports them, not 0.22 betas.

@intelinside69: Please provide us your log file, noone can help you without it.

AlanHK

20th February 2007, 10:53

I have a 1.5 gig AVI where i want to extract the audio stream.

After installing the stable version of besweet, upgrading to 1.5b31 and installing belight,

with belight, i used the source file and chose to output to MP3

once i hit the start button, the dos prompt quickly opens and closes and nothing happens

any ideas of how to fix this problem?
i'd really appreciate it

While BeSweet can often work directly on an AVI file, sometimes it fails.
In that case, demux the audio (MP3 or whatever) and run BeSweet on that.

(Though as you want an MP3, quite likely you can just use the demuxed audio as-is.)

AVI2RAW is a simple command line demuxer, find it at
http://pbx.mine.nu/w21sa/mpeg4ip.html

and docs at http://karmak.org/archive/2003/05/encoding.html

To extract MP3 from file video.avi:
avi2raw -a video.avi video.mp3

Or many other ways.

intelinside69

20th February 2007, 19:01

worked perfectly, thanks!

Gilgamesh83

27th February 2007, 21:52

HeadBangeR77

27th February 2007, 22:53

Is there a dll pack with the latest dlls for download to make it simpler or links to stuff or just a list of what is needed to run all kinds of encoding. I get a little lost searching for the stuff that gets it to work properly.

The installer package from ...here... (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/index.php?dir=BeLight/) contains most of the libraries you will ever need.

However, if you want to update some in the future or replace some of those you will have to do it manually (that's what I did once a couple of months ago). I haven't heard of any pack, which would be updated on regular basis. And you're right, one might get a bit lost.

Btw. Lame_enc.dll is 3.98 alpha11 - I would suggest using 3.97 final, but that's me. ;)

Gilgamesh83

28th February 2007, 04:58

Yeah!

I figured that would be the case, not saying it doesn't work but could be cool if there where a list of what is the latest so one could find the right stuff for the latest version of belight.

Noticed that AAC+ High winamp encoding doesn't work on 5.1 should this be like this or is this a bug I have the latest bsn.dll and all the latest winamp dll except for the fact that winamp 5.33's dll of enc_aacplus.dll isn't supported other wise the latest I think.

m0rtal

28th February 2007, 07:25

Gilgamesh83
RareWares (http://rarewares.org/) will help ya :)

Kurtnoise

28th February 2007, 20:53

Noticed that AAC+ High winamp encoding doesn't work on 5.1 should this be like this or is this a bug I have the latest bsn.dll and all the latest winamp dll except for the fact that winamp 5.33's dll of enc_aacplus.dll isn't supported other wise the latest I think.
did you read previous posts ??? Doesn't seem to be the case. :angry:

Gilgamesh83

1st March 2007, 00:46

soooory :p

have everything working now hehe thx

Gilgamesh83

4th March 2007, 11:19

Well I might aswell do a list of where to find most of the files needed to transcode with belight.

- Belight: http://coreforge.org/projects/belight/ (the new page for belight downloads)

- Besweet link: http://dspguru.doom9.net/ (Download everything, doesn't hurt :))

- Winamp AAC+: http://www.winamp.com/ (Download the full pack, remember using aac+ dlls from 5.33 one must use both the enc_aacplus.dll and nscrt.dll from the plugin directory in the winamp install directory)

- Needed Files for Encoding AAC+: http://mirror05.x264.nl/dimzon/ (download All the files, neccesary for encoding 5.1 aac+, great stuff!)

- Nero AAC: http://www.free-codecs.com/Nero_Burning_ROM_download.htm (Install Nero Burning Rom and copy the aac dll's found in the shared folder in the programs folder or search for Aac.dll, aacenc32.dll and aacplus.dll. I don't think you need registering.)

- Ogg Libvorbis: http://homepage3.nifty.com/blacksword/ (This page has sse enhanced ogg encoder dlls download the libvorbis.dll e.g libvorbis_dll_sse2_lancer20061110.zip, or if your cpu supports sse3 download that. If you don't know what your cpu supports download cpu-z from www.cpuid.com)

- Lame Mp3: http://www.rarewares.org/mp3.html (download either 3.97 or 3.98 in the bundled pack and extract enc_lame.dll to the belight folder, one can also find almost all the needed dlls from this site)

- Belight and stuff: http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/ (some things that helps belight to work, such as WA_aac-2.4.zip for Winamp AAC+ and bsn.zip and bsn_Aften_20060926.zip for AC3 encoding, remember to only copy the files from the release folder in these zipped files)

- Might be needed: http://www.rarewares.org/files/libmmd9.1.zip (just extract it in the belight folder)

- Flac Flake Encoder: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177048 (A flake encoder that I got working, might be the wrong one but the ones I downloaded from http://win32builds.sourceforge.net/flake/index.html doesn't work, they are recognized by belight 0.22rc1 but does not encode)

- Aud-X: http://www.aud-x.com/ (In my oppinion not really neccesary if you know how to encode with aac+)

Kurtnoise

4th March 2007, 15:28

1/ There is already an installer with most libs and executables (except Nero Digital command line tool and Winamp library) in http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/
2/ Flake from my bundle works perfectly.
3/ No need to post anymore in this thread.
4/ belight != BeLight.

PS: if a moderator can close this thread, this could be great.

Gilgamesh83

4th March 2007, 16:13

1/ Didn't know that.
2/ It does.
3/ Except for this, I won't post anymore :p
4/ Sorry... BeLight it is!!! :)

SeeMoreDigital

4th March 2007, 16:25

Are you aware there's a new version of BeLight?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122700

HeadBangeR77

5th March 2007, 00:10

@Gilgamesh83:

I've posted the link to the installer with all the basic dlls needed on the previous page:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962346#post962346

and it points to RC-1, so guess someone doesn't read with attention. :p ;)

Gilgamesh83

5th March 2007, 03:30

Said I wouldn't post but here goes :p

No need to worry people used the installer and got the latest stuff works wonderfully. THE END!

looney

17th June 2008, 07:14

- Nero AAC: http://www.free-codecs.com/Nero_Burning_ROM_download.htm (Install Nero Burning Rom and copy the aac dll's found in the shared folder in the programs folder or search for Aac.dll, aacenc32.dll and aacplus.dll. I don't think you need registering.)

Very useful list but in the new Nero7 there aren't no more standalone aac.dll, and the last aacenc32.dll i get from nero was in now pretty old V.7.2.7 (from NeroSuite 3.0.0.2 says in dll, V.4.2.12.25)

Kurtnoise
* could you bring back nice feature from the old BLb9 that all settings were saved on exit
* possibility to choose output filename other than default input filename (and auto rename of the .log filename from output filename) in BeLight would be usefull feature
* make it compatible with NeroAACEnc.exe option switches cause BLRC1 uses always the same encoding settings "-bsn( -vbr 0.5 -6chnew )" for the encodings which is in fact default value for nae_cli.exe and would be used anyway. And cause the old profile settings (streaming, normal, extreme) from neroaac.libs are gone you should allow to manually select Quality (-q values from 0 ... 1) and add newly introduced ABR mode (-cbr <bitrate>). Also there's in fact no option to use HE or HEv2 encodings cause BeLight always let the codec uses default LC settings which are in most cases not of any use at all (-lc -he -hev2 switch) and allow (-2pass) switch to be used

tnx

What is in fact -bsn switch used for BeLight/BeSwitch communication? There s nothing on it in BeSweets -help

looney

17th June 2008, 09:20

It seems that for new look Nero_CLI GUI you should select that from pad (No matter if it's falsely preselected!! So you should change to faac for exam, and then to NeroCLI) but i get the new interface from the toolbar menu :) . It pretty fussy considering aac is the way to go and has three submenues not like other encoders just one submenu.

BeLight RC1 (aac only?) issues
* Changing -q settings in vbr mode doesnt impact on resulting filesize and no matter if i choose HE still it uses LC
* Can't be interrupted when transcoding starts by clicking on stop button only by manually kill BeSweet.exe in taskmanager
* Once when you change BeSweet CLI input in "View or Edit BeSweet CLI" none of settings that we change after won't be applied to the stream. Not that would even matter cause it always uses LCAAC and probably -q 0.5 (~400kbps) even when i used it firstly -q 0.5 resulted in somewhat ~700kbps bitrate but that was when BeLight was under the influence of the old Nero_ND (not CLI) lookalike interface probably read from BeLight.ini previous settings (cause i supstitute old version in the same dir and didnt delete .ini file)

While the previous version of BeLight (beta9) that worked with aacenc32.dll instead this nero_cli scaled very well and give pretty decent result for [Normal] preset, this cli version results in bulky bigger files that sounds even worse than with predecessor it can be with better audio level but in the end it's totally unpredictable or BeLight cant set the proper options for the NeroAACEnc.exe

Is there a way to try BeLight as gui for enc_aacplus.exe?