Haali Renderer

[rahzel]

I'm using Haali Renderer with MPC HC and ReClock which ReClock's Vsync disabled. I don't see any tearing, but when I pause and resume, sometimes I see a tearing line that doesn't go away until I pause and resume again. It's either near the bottom or in the bottom half of the screen.

I'm using a Radeon 5450 connected to my LCD TV via HDMI. I have Windows 7 set to 23Hz and my TV supports 24Hz native mode. If relevant at all, I have ATI CCC vsync set to off unless the application asks for it.

edit: I've just discovered that Aero/Desktop composition can affect tearing/vsync. I've recently disabled Aero because it was causing me problems with DXVA, but I'm no longer using DXVA so I've re-enabled Aero. Now I don't see tearing in EVR or Haali. How does Aero affect tearing/vsync?

[adam777]

BTW, a new version of Halli Media splitter was released a few days ago...

[dansrfe]

Any chance of seeing a new and improved version of Haali Renderer?

[B.F.]

Not a chance, I think.
Too bad every freeware hardware renderer project remain half finished.

[Nitrius]

Just wondering, what do you gain by using Haali splitter with MPC HC? And how do you configure it to work with MPC HC?

[namaiki]

Just wondering, what do you gain by using Haali splitter with MPC HC? And how do you configure it to work with MPC HC?

For one, you get support for linked segments in MKV. Not sure about anything else.

'Configure it' by installing it.

[Barlow]

And make sure the MPC mkv splitter is disabled.

Haali's splitter has more advantages though, like better support for multiple audio streams (sometimes not selectable with MPC's splitter) and language/subtitle priorities.

[Malow]

anyone tried haali renderer with nvidia forceware v257.21?

i got tearing and jerky playback. tried various 3D settings (buffer, v-sync, etc) and nothing worked.

back to v197.77, everything works perfect.

using MPC-HC with 9800GT

[laserfan]

back to v197.77, everything works perfect.Izzat right? I can find only that the last official release was 197.45, and the last 197 beta was .57.

[dansrfe]

is Haali Renderer open-source by any chance? If so I think this project needs to be restarted and the renderer definitely needs some bug fixes and improvements.

[73ChargerFan]

is Haali Renderer open-source by any chance?

No it isn't.

[dansrfe]

Dear Haali,

If you are still out there and visit doom9, can you please make your renderer open source for the benefit of videokind.

Thanks :)

[Keiyakusha]

dansrfe
Believe it or not, it was asked so many times so now we can say that there is no hope.

[Malow]

Izzat right? I can find only that the last official release was 197.45, and the last 197 beta was .57.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/Forceware-197.77-Win-XP-32-bit-WHQL-download-2554.html

found here. was the latest ive found before 2xx

[dansrfe]

Can someone at least make a patch or bugfix for the Macrovision error when playing DVD's in Win 7? That's the only problem I have. Everything else works great for me with Haali Renderer.

[leeperry]

new build of the HMS package available: http://haali.su/mkv/
14/08/2010
Fixed items:
Fixed aspect ratio processing in certain Matroska files, which caused errors on open

[dansrfe]

Bugfix for the Macrovision error when playing DVD's in Win 7! :(

[oddball]

I've noticed when Haali is used as splitter instead of internal MPC-HC's splitter I get more dropped frames by scrolling up and down a webpage during playback. Any idea why? This is worse in combination with CoreAVC than DXVA although DXVA does it as well. Just not as badly. Not that you should be doing anything other than watching the video of course :)

[LigH]

Just noticed:

While an OpenGL application runs, the Haali Renderer silently fails and simply shows blackness. VRM9 Renderless at least reports a problem:

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Error creating DX9 allocation presenter
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CreateDevice failed

D3DERR_OUTOFVIDEOMEMORY
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OK
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[JanWillem32]

MPC-HC's VMR-9 (renderless), EVR CP and EVR Sync have a few error messages built-in. I do hope a few more can be added soon, as a lot of items can still fail silently.

[mzso]

Hi!
How is this renderer supposed to work? Because anytime I tried it all it did for scaling was magnify pixels into blocks, which is totally hideous. But why doesn't it work? All the other renderers are functioning.

[mzso]

Haali renderer looks like this. With huge blocks. Can anyone at least give a hint what could cause it to show such broken rendering?
http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/14487/cef530144860452.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/cef530144860452)

[Thunderbolt8]

somethings cleary wrong there (dont ask me what it is though), thats not the normal image quality. maybe others can help if you post your (player) configuration

[mzso]

somethings cleary wrong there (dont ask me what it is though), thats not the normal image quality. maybe others can help if you post your (player) configuration

So far it seems player independent. Looks like that with MPC-HC, kmplayer, potplayer. Also changing the renderers settings do nothing to help the issue

[namaiki]

Is Haali Renderer loading in those situations? Check the Play-> Filters menu (in MPC-HC).

[mzso]

Is Haali Renderer loading in those situations? Check the Play-> Filters menu (in MPC-HC).

Yeah. It alway loads, like this.

[ForceX]

Funny. Turn on Haali's OSD and post a screenshot. Also, try changing the Sharpness slider, see if that has an effect on the picture.

[mzso]

Funny. Turn on Haali's OSD and post a screenshot. Also, try changing the Sharpness slider, see if that has an effect on the picture.

Here's one.
http://thumbnails56.imagebam.com/14537/7f8f1f145362212.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/7f8f1f145362212)
I didn't notice any change when I moved the slider.

[namaiki]

What else is being loaded? Any chance that there is any other filter that might be doing resizing like DirectVobSub's double resolution option? (though it is already weird if the sharpness setting in Haali Renderer isn't working)

[mzso]

What else is being loaded? Any chance that there is any other filter that might be doing resizing like DirectVobSub's double resolution option? (though it is already weird if the sharpness setting in Haali Renderer isn't working)

Nothing of the sort... I'm clueless.

[Mark_A_W]

Why don't you guys try madVR instead of Haali Renderer?

I replaced HR as soon as madVR was released, with no regrets at all.

[mzso]

Why don't you guys try madVR instead of Haali Renderer?

I replaced HR as soon as madVR was released, with no regrets at all.

Because its too heavy for all videos. Plus it tends to cause hangs.

[blaster00]

Haali renderer looks like this. With huge blocks. Can anyone at least give a hint what could cause it to show such broken rendering?
http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/14487/cef530144860452.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/cef530144860452)

I got the same quality with my ATI mobile HD3470 card. But it works fine with my Intel buildin card. I am using a thinkpad laptop with switchable display card. And I kept all softwares and drivers up to date.

[blaster00]

Because its too heavy for all videos. Plus it tends to cause hangs.

Because the author refused to make a x64 build.

[Mark_A_W]

Because its too heavy for all videos. Plus it tends to cause hangs.

Get a proper PC. It doesn't hang for me - v0.73 is awesome.

Because the author refused to make a x64 build.

x64 is completely pointless for video playback. No video playback application should ever need more that 2GB of ram.

I run exclusively 32 bit video filters on a 64 bit PC, there is no problem.

[leeperry]

Haali renderer looks like this. With huge blocks. Can anyone at least give a hint what could cause it to show such broken rendering?
http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/14487/cef530144860452.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/cef530144860452)
IIRC, there's an option that requires a reboot in Rivatuner that will fix this problem on ATi hardware...something to do w/ PS support IIRC. Read the last pages of this thread, it was discussed here I think.

Make sure not to use HR in YUY2 as its BT.601/709 coeffs are borked...you're not getting the right colors.

[Hera]

64-bit CPUs have twice the amount of registers - which means less need to access L1/2/3 cache which is slower.

[fastplayer]

64-bit CPUs have twice the amount of registers - which means less need to access L1/2/3 cache which is slower.
...and pointers are - surprise, surprise - twice as big as in 32-bit...

By the way, what is the point of this thread? There hasn't been one HR-related fix/update in HMS for years which means it's practically dead and anybody using it, is just looking for trouble. Why?

[Hera]

...and pointers are - surprise, surprise - twice as big as in 32-bit...

By the way, what is the point of this thread? There hasn't been one HR-related fix/update in HMS for years which means it's practically dead and anybody using it, is just looking for trouble. Why?

EVR hasn't caught up yet.
EX: EVR drops audio when it cannot catch up, Haali doesn't. (Just frame-skipping doesn't interfere with the experience as much)

[mzso]

Get a proper PC. It doesn't hang for me - v0.73 is awesome.



x64 is completely pointless for video playback. No video playback application should ever need more that 2GB of ram.

I run exclusively 32 bit video filters on a 64 bit PC, there is no problem.
I have a proper PC.
IIRC, there's an option that requires a reboot in Rivatuner that will fix this problem on ATi hardware...something to do w/ PS support IIRC. Read the last pages of this thread, it was discussed here I think.

Make sure not to use HR in YUY2 as its BT.601/709 coeffs are borked...you're not getting the right colors.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try check it out.
I got the same quality with my ATI mobile HD3470 card. But it works fine with my Intel buildin card. I am using a thinkpad laptop with switchable display card. And I kept all softwares and drivers up to date.
Kind of suspected it might turn out to be a video card issue...

[BetaBoy]

Contrast to Fastplayer's statement, HMS has never been more popular or is distributed more then it is right now.

In fact we have been working on it over the past few months and plan a first release with CoreAVC 3.0 and for CoreMVC 3D. This new version will not address all the issues, but it will start the ball rolling again to work on it as reports come in.

[Mark_A_W]

The Splitter or the Renderer? I used both for years and years.

But the Renderer has never played smooth for HD video - not completely. madVR is as smooth as silk.

And the splitter doesn't label the audio streams on Bluray - makes it impossible to use. LAVSplitter does everything, very, very well.

[Octo-puss]

and plan a first release with CoreAVC 3.0
LOL!!!!!
So in a few years?

[fastplayer]

Contrast to Fastplayer's statement, HMS has never been more popular or is distributed more then it is right now.
Just to clarify: I was talking about the included renderer, not the splitter package in general.

[clsid]

I would be nice to see a public bug tracker for Haali and CoreCodec products. With active feedback from a developer. Because currently there is no central place to report bugs, or view known bugs, the communication sucks, feedback takes way too long if any at all, and it takes ages for bugs to be fixed or even acknowledged.

[blaster00]

IIRC, there's an option that requires a reboot in Rivatuner that will fix this problem on ATi hardware...something to do w/ PS support IIRC. Read the last pages of this thread, it was discussed here I think.

Make sure not to use HR in YUY2 as its BT.601/709 coeffs are borked...you're not getting the right colors.

Didn't see any difference between RGB32 and YUY2. Is it just me or HR does it ok now?

[leeperry]

Didn't see any difference between RGB32 and YUY2. Is it just me or HR does it ok now?
it does not AFAIK, try this: rec709.mkv (http://www.mediafire.com/?sfd13vqrgn7vh6i)

[blaster00]

it does not AFAIK, try this: rec709.mkv (http://www.mediafire.com/?sfd13vqrgn7vh6i)

You are right, there are some difference.But RGB32 and YUY2@BT.601 are same, YUY2@BT.709 and YUY2@auto are same. And I think RGB32 is a little wired... Which one is right?
I am a little confused. The clip is in BT.709, right? So if HR is working fine, set YUY2 in coreave and BT.709 or auto in HR are ok; set RGB32 in coreavc will also be ok. If HR is wrong, while, RGB32 should be right.
I am changing color space from coreavc, because I do not have ffdshow installed.

RGB32
http://thumbnails56.imagebam.com/14573/386af8145724809.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/386af8145724809)
YUY2 601
http://thumbnails48.imagebam.com/14573/d1de3b145724815.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d1de3b145724815)
YUY2 709
http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/14573/4db73c145724823.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/4db73c145724823)
YUY2 auto
http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/14573/3ed0c8145724827.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/3ed0c8145724827)

[Gaius]

How does one install Haali Renderer alone while NOT installing Haali Splitter?

MadVR is fine for my desktop but its too much for my laptop and I wish to use Haali Renderer but keep LAV for media splitting of MKV files.

[Qaq]

DSH Friendly Name Haali Video Renderer
REG Driver File ....\Haali\MatroskaSplitter\dxr.dll