Haali Renderer

[leeperry]

ok, so following this :
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1081395&postcount=971

here's a 6 mb sample of this 1080p movie(w/o audio) :
http://www.badongo.com/file/9184496

RGB32HQ/BT.709 from ffdshow / YUY2 BT.601 in HR / YUY2 BT.709 in HR :

http://thumbnails5.imagebam.com/580/968c2e5796963.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/968c2e5796963) http://thumbnails5.imagebam.com/580/f087ef5796964.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f087ef5796964) http://thumbnails5.imagebam.com/580/122ca75796966.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/122ca75796966)

HR in YUY2/BT.709 is still less saturated than EVR+ATi drivers in YV12 and/or ffdshow RGB32HQ/BT.709 :rolleyes:

another bug, if I go into the HR options while playing this sample/full movie(w/o resize in ffdshow), I get this :

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/3/6/a70670c870844aba3f1f78fdc4f77tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/a/3/6/a70670c870844aba3f1f78fdc4f77.html)

[cyberbeing]

Well your right, they aren't exactly the same. I took a few sample points on the face in photoshop and compared the difference. The numbers in the image below are on a range from 0-225 (R=Red, G=Green, B=Blue). Haali renderer has a 1 less green in all the sample points, 1 more blue in half the sample points, and 1 more red in half the sample points. Even though the difference in color is pretty minor I can see a difference in that clip. Maybe Haali renderer is rounding off a decimal place on the coefficients or whatever it uses for RGB conversion was built with a focus on speed and as a result is not very accurate.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/3830/differenceon8.png

Haali BT.709
http://thumbnails6.imagebam.com/581/7775325800326.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/7775325800326)

FFDShow BT.709
http://thumbnails6.imagebam.com/581/d8a70d5800327.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d8a70d5800327)

[leeperry]

yeah it's less green, definitely.

do you also get the same bug I get when you enter the HR options with this movie ?

[cyberbeing]

yeah it's less green, definitely.

do you also get the same bug I get when you enter the HR options with this movie ?

Yeah, I saw something like that happen as well except mine was split about half-way up and had only two broken things on the bottom instead of four.

[cyberbeing]

Alternative Matroska Splitter is the thread for Haali's splitter.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=80762

[leeperry]

to get back on the EVR/HR compare, it's like HR would be "Picture A" and EVR would be "Picture B" :
http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

I use unsharp masking@33 in ffdshow in RGB32.

HR looks more natural(more details due to not being oversharpened?!) and EVR's got that stunning 3D look(because it does some sort of unsharp masking even further)..........it's a tough choice to choose between "natural" and "unsharpened to death" :eek:

[leeperry]

here's a very good test video :
http://www.badongo.com/file/9239271

It's a panning 23.976fps scene, that's poorly encoded.........so if it's not played perfectly smoothly, it exhibits tearing/blinking.

so far only HR+Reclock play it well several times in a row in 24fps@48hz...

[duckyy]

OK, Just a quick message to add myself in the "I love HR smoothness but I have an ATI card so I have to switch back to EVR to watch SD because of ghost lines" group.

I have like a lot of other ATI owners horizontal and vertical lines when I upscale an SD file using HR PS scheme.

http://pix.nofrag.com/7/4/4/d41a22b05140f43a7384ff45c3875tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/7/4/4/d41a22b05140f43a7384ff45c3875.html)

It's very easy to notice it on this capture. Around Thom Yorke's letters (and guy's face also).
The number of lines depends on the resolution. This file is for example 720*480.

Currently using an MSI 2600Pro and hate to switch to EVR (plus change input/output in ffdshow, etc etc).

Another bug maybe: I have a few .ts files containing MPEG-2 @ 17Mbps+ and combo HR + ffdshow YUY2 only use one thread in my P4HT. So the audio gets out of synch. If I block ffdshow, everything's fine. Shouldn't be an HR issue, but just in case somebody else experienced the same thing.

[Seb.26]

:mad: ... lot of lines here too when PS resize is applied ...
( Saphire ATI HD3470 inside )

@Haali : why don't add an option to choose the PS mode :
> bicubic resize ( like today )
> bilinear resize + sharpen ( a simple 2D convolution ie. )

This could be really great ! :)

HR is so smoooooooth ... :p

[leeperry]

haha Seb.26 :D

so you've followed my advice and finally given up on EVR and its crappy MPC HC presenter ? :D

with Reclock @24fps and pstrip in 48.000 Hz, nothing can possibly match HR smoothness :)

well if you open HR OSD, you can see "AA", "SS" or "NN"

A is Anisotropic Filtering, used for downscaling
S is the internal PS bicubic resize, used for upscaling.....with the ghost lines problem on ATi
N is Neutral

one letter for horizontal, one for vertical

if Haali could offer an option to choose between S and A for upscaling, that would be awesome as S seems to work fine with nvidia.

a simple fix for ATi has been made to MPC HC, by changing a PS sum from 1.0 to 0.98

hopefully Haali can work something out....some day :(

[Seb.26]

haha Seb.26 :D
so you've followed my advice and finally given up on EVR and its crappy MPC HC presenter ? :D
:rolleyes: ... I use HR since 2K6 little boy ... :p ...

Where I follow you is to KMP ... and you were right : it's better than MPCHC by far ! ... and so smooth ...
( to much things embeded IMO, but smooth and have skin ! ... )

[leeperry]

well, HR is so smooth.....but EVR has that amazing 3D look that makes everything literally jump out of the screen :eek:

I love to watch 100% smooth movies, but I quickly get bored if everything doesn't look 3D like with EVR.

so I'm using EVR in KMP, not as smooth as HR....but a lot smoother than EVR in MPC HC, which is sluggish to say the least :(

you can run KMP in "highspeed mode", it disables all the embedded crap ;)

EDIT : ah well **** this, what's the point to watch stuttering movies, I'm back w/ HR and its uber-smoothness :eek:

[leeperry]

ok it seems that what gives that 3D stunning look to EVR......is actually the ATi drivers :eek:

it also works with the built-in Direct3D renderers of KMPlayer.

why not HR ? :(

that makes me a sad panda... http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3yzn4X3GixPPGM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/306panda.gif

[noee]

ok it seems that what gives that 3D stunning look to EVR......is actually the ATi drivers :eek:

What do you mean here?

[leeperry]

well, it also works with VMR9, but a lot less 3D like.

I'm trying some registry hacks on CCC with HR, and it seems to yield good results.

I'll keep you guys posted, I need to run more tests on the projector.

[leeperry]

ok you tell me what you think now :)

just FYI I've got CCC from the 7.11 crysis, and the 8.4 drivers on a PCI-E HD2600.

so in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\

replace every occurence of Denoise_NA and Detail_NA to 0 instead of 1

then you will the Edge Enhancement slider in CCC(I've got it in 2 places, in avivo video/advanced setttings/ and in avivo video/all settings/)

also enable cataclyst AI in the 3D settings.

I can't choose if it's better on 95 or 100 at this point, need to try on the pj

but then HR is a lot sharper, and just as 3D as EVR....I think :D

[noee]

I will try. I also found the following:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ati2mtag\Device1
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ati2mtag\Device2
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ati2mtag\Device3

I changed those too.

[leeperry]

Improved Edge Enhancement
Using a combination hardware and software algorithm, Radeon products are now equipped to use a dynamic edge filter that adds sharpness to images, which improves “soft” encodings.

I like the way you quickly get hooked to luxury :D

I find myself seeking several times in a row to achieve <3 ms jitter, who can live with 10ms :D

on MPC HC with EVR I was getting 50/80 ms on average, and it looked....jerky :eek:

these are thumbnails to the original 720p files, with EE set to the max.

yes I'm gonna lower it....a tad :D

http://pix.nofrag.com/9/c/f/6cd34b44bdb7bf0e637695aa0f63dtt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/9/c/f/6cd34b44bdb7bf0e637695aa0f63d.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/1/8/0/f5f4a7819bdd5a32e3cff132b5b2ftt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/1/8/0/f5f4a7819bdd5a32e3cff132b5b2f.html)

[Seb.26]

I can't choose if it's better on 95 or 100 at this point, need to try on the pj
I'm surprised that you don't try this >100 by tweaking the MAX value ... :p

[leeperry]

well I applied tons of registry hacks at the same time.

I think the working one is actually this :

create a "EdgeEnhance" REG_SZ value in all the ATi keys in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\

but too much EE is evil :
http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

hurts your eyes/head, like Lanczos10 :D

I think a good value for HR is around 20 or 30.......0 is just plain too "flat" :eek:

[kutjong]

Is it only the Radeon HD series that support this tweak?

[arfster]

on MPC HC with EVR I was getting 50/80 ms on average, and it looked....jerky :eek:


Yikes, that's atrocious - any idea what was causing it? I use MPCHC+Vista+2600xt, and don't have any such problems. MPC stats show 0ms avg jitter, EVR custom's stats via ctrl-j say 1.5ms max.

[Seb.26]

Is it only the Radeon HD series that support this tweak?
From memory, lee have a 2600XT ... ;)

[leeperry]

@kutjong :
not sure, also x1x00 I think.
still experimenting at this point, as I've made a LOT of registry hacks lately.

@arfster :
well, please allow me to doubt it :)

if you calculate the difference between the first and the second figure, you get something between 30 and 80 ms on average with .net3 EVR on XP SP2 :

http://pix.nofrag.com/8/d/2/f5753e2dfec5b496d18da7b756026t.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/8/d/2/f5753e2dfec5b496d18da7b756026.html)

it's the same on many other ppl systems as well.

but actually MPC HC is worthless when used with Reclock.
it randomly loses A/V sync and drops frames like crazy after 45/60'(problem reproduced on many different boxes, using HR as well)

KMPlayer works perfectly fine with Reclock and HR/EVR(but just as jerky as MPC HC).

you can't achieve <3 ms jitter with a software renderer :rolleyes:

BTW, being the ATi guru that you are :D

it seems that the ATi drivers make EE on EVR, Overlay, VMR9 and the customized Direct3D renderers of KMPlayer.

I've tried many hacks to get it on HR, I think I've suceeded.......but it's VERY subjective to compare EE :(

maybe I've finally come to realize that EE is not something I want :eek:

as explained here :
http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

I've known this page for a long time, and I've always thought the B picture was better...........but I'm starting to change my mind :D

you don't need excessive EE to get a 3D-like picture, it's a dirty hack that ruins the PQ :mad:

[arfster]

Lee: that's microseconds (us) reported there, ms is milliseconds :-)

100 microseconds (0.1ms) jitter is one ten-thousandth of a second off the intended display timing point - way, way beyond the human capability to detect, and especially with 24fps stuff, which is only displaying a frame every 40ms.

[leeperry]

ok, I thought they were the same :D

well anyhow, HR is way smoother than EVR with Reclock in 24fps @48Hz.......bar none.

you got no infos about EE with ATi cards on video renderers !?

it seems to be enabled by default, clearly visible on EVR/VMR/etc..

can it be applied to HR ? or is it all in my mind ? :D

[Casimir666]

ok, I thought they were the same :D

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[arfster]

well anyhow, HR is way smoother than EVR with Reclock in 24fps @48Hz.......bar none.


I wonder if it's hardware specific - to be honest I don't see much difference (evr custom is a touch micro-jittery, evr standard seems the same as Haali). There are a lot of factors there though - for example, I get a lot more jitter when I playback through my desktop USB speakers, much less through SPDIF. I also don't need to use reclock so that's different.


you got no infos about EE with ATi cards on video renderers !?

it seems to be enabled by default, clearly visible on EVR/VMR/etc..


Just the same old sharpening as ever. Relevant regkeys:

"dxva_detailenhance" is an on/off switch - setting it to zero is the same as disabling the slider on CCC 8.4+ though, so it's not too needed.

"Detail" is the level of sharpening, which is set by the slider.


At least on my setup, these only affect SD though.


I've looked in the dlls, the only other relevant key is Vforcedetailenhance, but that did nothing on my setup. At a guess, it's there to allow low end cards to force on sharpening for SD.

[leeperry]

agreed, regular EVR looks way smoother than custom EVR....but I get terrible tearing in the middle of the screen.

many other ppl do, even on nvidia. and that's the only renderer that does that to me....EVR requires lock back buffers.

but well, HR never EVER does micro-judder, I think that's because it's in direct control of the hardware and keeps the frames cache in the card's RAM :)

several friends of mine on HCFR also get much more stable frame rate with HR than with EVR custom(in MPC HR or KMP).......more linear fps, less jitter = much smoother :)

well, what about this entry then ? I thought the EE slider was messing with this one ?!

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo\EdgeEnhance]
"Accessible"="Compaq_Owner"
"EdgeEnhance"=dword:00000100

but all this EE stuff seems to be disabled............so wth is messing with EVR/VMR9/Overlay then ?! :(

and during all my registry hacks yesterday, I had the feeling I managed to get EE in HR(which might not be a good thing anyway :D )

do you know any way/test pattern to actually see if EE is enabled ?

[arfster]

agreed, regular EVR looks way smoother than custom EVR....but I get terrible tearing in the middle of the screen.


Ahh, annoying - I've not had that with EVR/ATI ever. It seems to be pure luck in your hardware/software combo whether you do or not though.



[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo\EdgeEnhance]
"Accessible"="Compaq_Owner"
"EdgeEnhance"=dword:00000100


That's the old way of revealing the CCC detail slider pre 8.3. For whatever reason, ATI opted to not have it visible (don't think it really worked properly tbh).



do you know any way/test pattern to actually see if EE is enabled ?

Probably best is to find some video of text against a starkly contrasting background. News channels with scrolling tickers are quite good for this - eg BBC News is white text against red background, makes sharpening very vis (if you look closely you can see micro-artifacts around the edges of letters).

[leeperry]

ok thank you for your help arfster :)

anyhow, I've just done a clean reinstall of the 8.4 drivers(w/o CCC and ExDeus script)

comparing HR/EVR on SD/HD stuff, it's quite obvious that EVR does a HELLUVALOT of EE...

..same goes for OVERLAY/VMR/custom Direct3D renderers from KMP(and it doesn't show on screenshots, it's clear that the drivers are doing it).

this has been witnessed by many ppl, including noee here and many friends on HCFR.

but I'm realizing that EE is not something you want.

it increases the edges on everything :eek:

but the front and the background elements can't have quite the same level of edge sharpness.

otherwise it's called a cartoon....plus it ruins a lot of details :eek:

using unsharp masking set to 35 in ffdshow with HR gives really great results, though :)

http://pix.nofrag.com/5/9/8/fd518880939d768510431669ca313tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/5/9/8/fd518880939d768510431669ca313.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/9/a/1/024c7c2b5dd4dd5ff9203b34f649ftt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/9/a/1/024c7c2b5dd4dd5ff9203b34f649f.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/b/8/0/0f2eb8bbb5b493e34e3c0dfa6e356tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/b/8/0/0f2eb8bbb5b493e34e3c0dfa6e356.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/2/5/4b7e6ef7abbf57df1a0292406b693tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/a/2/5/4b7e6ef7abbf57df1a0292406b693.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/f/e/9/effdc55a8ea91d84527906bdb0111tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/f/e/9/effdc55a8ea91d84527906bdb0111.html)

USM is great stuff, and no EE :

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/unsharp-mask.htm

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/graphics/tut_unsharpmask_man-orig.jpghttp://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/graphics/tut_unsharpmask_man-final.jpghttp://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/graphics/tut_unsharpmask_man-usm.jpg

of course I use it in RGB32HQ, because the ATi drivers do a very crappy software YUV>RGB conversion :
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1137196&postcount=1868

and HR's BT709 matrix is also screwed up(too blue) :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1134007#post1134007

[Peuj]

Just curious, What HR settings do you use ?

[leeperry]

Just curious, What HR settings do you use ?

@leeperry
I recommend a setting of 128mb and 120frames for your system.
After some testing with my previous card (6800gs 256mb) if I put anything over 140mb it would drop frames on the heavier parts of the video stream but with 128mb It would run smooth. Now with my 9800gtx 512mb even with 256mb runs ok. The problem maybe was the vista's video memory management, it uses both dedicated and system memory for graphics even if your gpu does not have that "turbo cache" stuff from nvidia that makes the gpu use additional system memory for graphics! Or maybe not!

so far, so good :D

[duckyy]

Quick question: Is there any hotkey to switch 16-235 to 0-255 ? (like Alt Gr+O to show HR OSD)

Sometimes I check on my computer monitor and Id like that option.

[ericab]

@leeperry

what movie is this from?

http://pix.nofrag.com/b/8/0/0f2eb8bbb5b493e34e3c0dfa6e356.png

[Seb.26]

"Igor" IMO ;)

[arfster]

OK, Haali fan(atic)s, I'm doing some testing for a new setup, thought I'd include Haali. Going to do a setup with ffdshow as the decoder, using two profiles to auto-select between bt601/709 based on horizontal res above/below 1024, outputting RGB32HQ to Haali. Appreciate if anyone could answer:

1) Is the above the optimal haali setup?
2) By RGB32HQ is it meant to select RGB32 + "high quality YV12 to RGB conversion" and no other color output options?
3) are the issues with ATI and the ghost lines mentioned in previous posts resolved?
4) any other issues?

[leeperry]

1) 128mb/120 frames works very well on my PCI-E Sapphire 2600XT
2) yes
3) nope, I've been telling Haali about it for months :(
so never upscale with HR, downscale is fine as it's done through AF
4) well, no..........use RGB32HQ coz the BT709 matrix of HR is too blue, and you're good to go

in 24fps with Reclock / 48.000Hz with pstrip.........HR is simply unstoppable :eek:

you get perfect frame rate in any given situation(25fps@50Hz, 30fps@60Hz), simply perfect :D

[Seb.26]

IMO : Don't forgive (16..235)->(0..255) during the YUV->RGB in FFDSv ... ;)

[leeperry]

just leave it on standard, it does 16-235 > 0-255 on the spot.

@ericab (he sent me a PM asking for reclock/pstrip/hr combination) :

you have a LCD monitor.

these things also accept 60Hz most of the time.

you need to run pstrip @50.000Hz, use MPC HC, do the tearing test(CTRL+T).

if it passes well even after several minutes w/o tearing, your only option is to use 50Hz + 23.976@25 in Reclock and enable timestretching.

you can also try 48, but I highly doubt it's gonna go tearing free ;)

if only 60Hz is fine, then you're pretty much screwed..........you can also try 72/75 ?!

[chros]

in 24fps with Reclock / 48.000Hz with pstrip.........HR is simply unstoppable :eek:

you get perfect frame rate in any given situation(25fps@50Hz, 30fps@60Hz), simply perfect :D
Can you speak about this a little more (environment, displays) ?
What's the refresh rate of your display ? (projector ? I have 1 LCD monitor and 1 LCD TV, both with 60 Hz ...)

Thanks

[ericab]

just leave it on standard, it does 16-235 > 0-255 on the spot.

@ericab (he sent me a PM asking for reclock/pstrip/hr combination) :

you have a LCD monitor.

these things also accept 60Hz most of the time.

you need to run pstrip @50.000Hz, use MPC HC, do the tearing test(CTRL+T).

if it passes well even after several minutes w/o tearing, your only option is to use 50Hz + 23.976@25 in Reclock and enable timestretching.

you can also try 48, but I highly doubt it's gonna go tearing free ;)

if only 60Hz is fine, then you're pretty much screwed..........enjoy LCD :D

hi lee, thanks for your reply.

i went into pstrip, (display profiles --> configure)
and it looks like i only have a choice between 60 or 75hz
how do i set custom refresh rate?
if i set it to 50, (if i can...) will my monitor be damaged physically? also... if i can set it to 50hz; when i run a game will everything be alright or will i have to reset it back to 60hz ??
thanks,
eric

*edit*

for example, when i run a 720p .mkv and i go to MPC-HC's filter readout, ReClock displays "Cannot sync this PAL video to your hardware. Please set your monitor refresh rate near to a multiple of 25 Hz" under "Media Adaptation"
this is usually the message i get when playing videos with reclock running. wht do i do to fix this ??

*edit2*
fyi, my monitor is running at 60Hz, however 75Hz is a selectable option, but when i select 75 HZ as an option, my monitor goes black and says video signal not detected...

i dont know what im doing :(

[leeperry]

well first I should state that I *hate* LCD :D

these computer monitors have crappy black level, dead pixels, 60Hz only, mura effect issues, stuck to the native res, etc etc..

and the LCD projectors have misconvergence/color shading/vertical banding issues(SANYO, darn u!!!), 60Hz only except on the latest ones(they usually do 50Hz just jerky to hell), etc.. :eek:

I've got a 19" iiyama CRT connected with 5BNC, it accepts from 40Hz to 140Hz. natively.

and my DLP projector is a HC3100. does from 30Hz to 60Hz natively....and it's got a high resolution mineral glass lens which is crispy as can be(most pj have crappy plastic lenses) :eek:

you can send <30Hz but then it's wrongly mapped(the right side of the picture is blinking), and >60Hz is internally mapped to 60Hz anyhow(easy to see with MPC HC's tearing test)

MPC HC is unable to play smoothly with Reclock(drops frames like crazy after 45/60', even w/ HR), problem doesn't occur with KMPlayer.
but MPC HC has that jitter test, highly valuable to make sure that the graphic card and Reclock play nice :)

in 30Hz / 47.952Hz, the frame rate is not steady......not sure why ?!

anyway cinema projectors play 24fps material in 48Hz(2*24fps) ;)

I've complained to the pstrip support to get exact timings on my HD2600 :
http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewtopic.php?t=6137

but this fix only works on the HD2x00, several friends of mine with HD3x00 are having issues at this point :(

there's a trick in pstrip : under "refresh rate", you can double click on the camera and it will measure the exact current refresh rate.

on my HD2600, it's always *SPOT ON* : 48.000 / 50.000 / 60.000......same thing in Reclock.

so HR has no issues *WHATSOEVER* to offer perfectly smooth frame rate, thanks to Reclock :)

to give you an example, before the pstrip team fixed the issue. I was getting 48.545 Hz........which ended up in 24.273 fps in MPC HC(Reclock set to 24fps)........you can see the screenshot on the link I gave above :eek:

BOTTOM LINE : if your refresh rate is screwed up, don't expect miracles :devil:

@ericab :
what's your graphic card ?
well read your manual, and check google.
if it really accepts 75Hz, this might be your ticket.

[ericab]

my gfx card hooked up to my samsung lnt3242 hdtv is an 8600GT
my gfx card hooked up to my viewsonic vm2025wm is an 8800GTS (g92 core)

i cant find the refreshrate of the samsung online, but my gfx card drivers say 60. so, i guess im out of luck ?

[leeperry]

well pstrip doesn't work w/ GF8/9

you still can use the built-in custom refresh rate options of the nvidia drivers, and try 50/75

but they're far from being as accurate as pstrip.

with some patience trying 49.995/50.005 etc...you need to reach as close as possible to 50.000 or 75.000 with the pstrip camera thingie as explained above, and in reclock as well.

then do MPC HC's tearing test.

anyhow you can just pres ESC if you get "no signal", no harm possible ;)

[Seb.26]

just leave it on standard, it does 16-235 > 0-255 on the spot.
HR only does it with YU2 input ...

[Seb.26]

with some patience trying 49.995/50.005 etc...you need to reach as close as possible to 50.000 or 75.000 with the pstrip camera thingie as explained above, and in reclock as well.
The matter isn't to obtain exactly 48 or 50Hz, the goal is to obtain rock-stable refresh rate ...

I'm @48Hz (about 48Hz) and I never set Reclock to '24fps', this is useless IMO ... Just set it to 'Refreshrate/2' ... :cool:

lee: just enable Unmask@35 in FFDSv : amazing !!! ... Thanks ! :)

[leeperry]

well, HR doesn't do jack in RGB32.

ffdshow does the PC>TV range conversion, all you have to check is BT601 for SD, and 709 for HD.

well, yeah I dunno why your real refresh rate comes and goes around 48 ?!

mine never moves whatsoever, even the pstrip tech support measured that I had a 0.002 us fluctuation in 48Hz, and no fluctuation at all in 60 Hz :D

get back to them on their forum, Rik Wang is very knowledgeable :eek:

disable PowerPlay maybe ? it was giving black screens on my 2600, had to update with a BIOS that disables it.....

or get yourself a HD2600 :D

told you, the crappy EE from the ATi drivers in EVR is worthless.
unsharp masking@35 is all you need in RGB32HQ w/ HR + Reclock.

I've just watched a 2 hours HD movie in 23.976@24 in 48Hz in KMPlayer with HR, it was rock FRIGGIN' stable :D

[ericab]

I'm @48Hz (about 48Hz) and I never set Reclock to '24fps', this is useless IMO ... Just set it to 'Refreshrate/2' ... :cool:


wow, thanks Seb; that worked a trick!! :thanks:

[leeperry]

I highly doubt your LCD screens will do 48Hz w/o upsampling it internally to 60..

only MPC HC's tearing test can tell you that.