Haali Renderer

[wozio]

I think VMR9 will only use BT.709 colorimetry if the video's vertical resolution is at least 720 pixels. This is not good since there are many videos that simply have the black bars cropped from the video resulting in vertical resolution that is under 720 pixels. VMR9 will then incorrectly use BT.601 colorimetry.

Yes this is a problem, I mentioned it. But on the other hand only ripped and reencoded sources suffer from this. Did you see any 720p HDTV broadcast or bluray/hddvd that is encoded without black bars when being 2,35:1?

Reencoded rips is not what I call high quality and in such case you can justify wrong colorimetry :P

[pirlouy]

bah, in fact you're right, I change my nvidia settings:
Brightness: +41% (-9)
Contrast: +65% (+15)
Saturation: +65% (+15)
and video looks similar as the HR one (2 different video players nearby to compare).

For resizing, in fact I don't see differences. Thanks

[kutjong]

Reencoded rips is not what I call high quality
True, but I would rather not make it worse by displaying wrong colors. :) Altough an easy solution with ffdshow would be to resize image so that 720 pixels are used in vertical resolution.

[Lantis]

@wozio You're right, the upscaled fullscreen image is a bit darker than the downscaled one.

I was changing the overlay controls in the old control panel. I tried with the new one (the one you pictured) but still can't get a "true black" with VMR9, not even with the values pirlouy used.

Edit: All right, found the registry fix for VMR9 levels in zplayer forums.

[leeperry]

hey guys, I dunno if any of you use Reclock + HR in 48 Hz, but if you wanna try 47.952 w/o Reclock......it's quite interesting.

I'm discussing it on the pstrip forum here:
http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewtopic.php?p=23662#23662

any insigh appreciated ;)

[neoufo51]

Using MPC, I notice that when playing back non-HD AVI files, I get more blocking using Haali Renderer than with both the Overlay Renderer and VMR9, which render a perfectly smooth image. The blocking isn't enough to make playback unwatchable, but I notice it when I look more closely. Anybody know how to get rid of that?

[kutjong]

Using MPC, I notice that when playing back non-HD AVI files, I get more blocking using Haali Renderer than with both the Overlay Renderer and VMR9, which render a perfectly smooth image. The blocking isn't enough to make playback unwatchable, but I notice it when I look more closely. Anybody know how to get rid of that?

Could you post screenshots of these differences? Use PrtScn instead of the save image feature in MPC.

My guess would be that you're experiencing HR's scaling bug, are you perhaps using a Radeon card?

[neoufo51]

Could you post screenshots of these differences? Use PrtScn instead of the save image feature in MPC.

My guess would be that you're experiencing HR's scaling bug, are you perhaps using a Radeon card?
Actually I think its going on with all the renderers now that I look at it. Fullscreen scaling.

[sheppaul]

Actually I think its going on with all the renderers now that I look at it. Fullscreen scaling.

You have a big monitor and ATI graphic card with catalyst 8.5 for sure. I had the same problem. :)

I was unable to solve the problem with MPC. MPC have three types of VMR surfaces while KMP have four. I'm not sure why. However, the blocking of low resolution videos was not appeared in the system default surface of KMP in VMR9 Renderless.

[leeperry]

press ALT+O to show HR'S OSD

if it says S or SS, that means the internal bicubic resizer is being used.....and it gives ghost lines and artefacts on ATi cards(not on nvidia, though....I think)

[kutjong]

press ALT+O to show HR'S OSD

if it says S or SS, that means the internal bicubic resizer is being used.....and it gives ghost lines and artefacts on ATi cards(not on nvidia, though....I think)
But not on all ATi cards, though. My Radeon X800 XT is unaffected by this bug, for example. Maybe this bug is just with the HD series...

[leeperry]

is there any official answer from Haali about the jitter figure ?

I haven't found a "Search in this thread" option ?!

[kutjong]

I gave up on HR and reclock. I just couldn't tell the difference... There was so much hassle anyway changing resolution/refresh rate all the time depending on the material. Sure there was a nice placebo effect for a while with the green icon and reading CINEMA adaptation, but while comparing I couldn't tell the difference.
Maybe I just have crappy eyes. :)

[leeperry]

if your display doesn't support 1:1 24/48/72Hz, then yeah Reclock's limited.

[kutjong]

I was mosly using 120 Hz, which was compatible as a multiple of both 24 fps and 30 fps. If I had a PAL movie I would play it back at 24 fps, or if it was filmed in PAL, change to 100 Hz.
The only problem I have with reclock is its incompatibility with HR, I hate using VMR9.

[leeperry]

humm Reclock is perfectly compatible with HR, and way smoother than VMR9 :rolleyes:

http://pix.nofrag.com/e/b/d/4b0174ce2c5d47f90c1e71c1b1235tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/e/b/d/4b0174ce2c5d47f90c1e71c1b1235.html)

[kutjong]

Yeah, except with DVDs. MPC will always crash then if I'm using HR with reclock. If I switch to default directsound renderer, everything's fine.

[leeperry]

MPC is the best mediaplayer in the whole universe :p

[wozio]

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/0/4/58b9230f9d562610f70321636f3eftt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/a/0/4/58b9230f9d562610f70321636f3ef.html)

You have massive combing in this video in background, is it deinterlaced?

Regards
Piotr

[leeperry]

I don't think so but I never watch DVD's :)

you can force deinterlacing in the MPEG2 decoder or in ffdshow I think.

[Mangix]

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4976/clipboard01jq9.png

is this normal? my refresh rate is set to 59.95hz but i'm getting so much jitter... it never seems to go below 8.5

[leeperry]

well 59.95 doesn't mean much.

what does Reclock say ?

[Mangix]

59.955hz

i tried powerstrip but for some reason, it wouldn't work for me.

[leeperry]

well don't expect miracles my friend :D

getting judder free playback on PC is a long struggle, if you're not patient you might just pass :D

[neoufo51]

When I use Haali Renderer on MPC to play back a high definition H.264 file such as a Quicktime trailer or an MKV contained film, I get a huge video slowdown whenever I right click the video to bring up the context menu onscreen. One I left click anywhere else to get rid of the context menu, the slowdown goes away.

Anybody else experiencing this?

[Flash_Git]

MPC is an old bloated player....it lacks tons of features.

DVD's works fine with KMPlayer and HR+Reclock :

How on earth can you call MPC bloated, when A) you say it's lacking and B) you use kmplayer?

[neoufo51]

How on earth can you call MPC bloated, when A) you say it's lacking and B) you use kmplayer?
I second this question.

[Shinigami-Sama]

How on earth can you call MPC bloated, when A) you say it's lacking and B) you use kmplayer?

you learn to ignore him ;)

[leeperry]

hehe my fan club made exclusively of very smart people is back!!!!! :D

well using Reclock with MPC HC is always a major failure, and I've spoken to Casimir666 many times....its presenter is just not tight enough to keep up.

MPC HC simply can't cope with Reclock's timings.

after 30/45' the jitter goes crazy, whatever with VMR9, EVR or HR....it's been witnessed on many different computers.

but anyhow you prolly watch your movies in 60Hz, so how would u care :eek:

I'm not even pointing the irony here :D

[stax76]

KMP ain't all bliss either:


45 MB disc space (MPC only 6 MB)
Startup time passing source file from shell is a major pain, probably more than twice than any other player
Violates GPL using Gabest/MPC work

[leeperry]

well KMP gets the job done ya know, and it's got awesome features like "seamless playback", extensive subs support(MPC is pathetic for subs), extensive playlist support, etc.....

with Reclock and HR, you get judderless movies.........it doesn't crap out after 40' :eek:

yeah it's 45mb, so ? I got a 500gb drive myself.

yes it violates GPL, so ? Reclock does too, I don't care I'm not a cop.

I definitely agree that they stole a lot of code from MPC, but well it's like the "reinventing the wheel" thingie.

[stax76]

The show stopper for me is the startup time.

[leeperry]

I copied all its files on a ramdisk actually :D

[Peuj]

Please, it's out of topic.

Thanks

[leeperry]

sure is :D

I wonder if there will ever be an HR fix for the ghost lines issue on ATi cards, this problem has been here for more than 1 year now :(

giving an option to disable the internal bicubic PS resizer is all we need, AF can do the job nicely :)

also when zooming in HR, it's not centered.

[leeperry]

native res is 1280*768, SD is upscaled to this resolution with AR correction.

zooming in HR is completely out-centered :(

http://pix.nofrag.com/0/6/0/a8023e41181c0424028539b0128c3tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/0/6/0/a8023e41181c0424028539b0128c3.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/b/4/4/b65a7336d4a7b751ddcf8783b4032tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/b/4/4/b65a7336d4a7b751ddcf8783b4032.html)

http://pix.nofrag.com/c/d/d/5465a7b98c05e4c3f9c22b68e3c64tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/c/d/d/5465a7b98c05e4c3f9c22b68e3c64.html)

that's on XP SP3 with an HD2600, problem occurs in MPC and KMPlayer and zooming works fine in both apps with VMR9

also when opening HR preferences, sometimes you get this kind of funky problems(also happens to other ppl with nvidia cards), prolly related considering it's on the same screen portion :

http://pix.nofrag.com/7/6/7/b671dbb6bb0f91b0e78749d9e96e7tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/7/6/7/b671dbb6bb0f91b0e78749d9e96e7.html)

[Leak]

Please, it's out of topic.
Seconded.

Also, this forum has that nifty "Ignore user" list - if you didn't use it before, why not give it a try and put leeperry on it?

np: Holz - Glut (Musick To Play In The Club)

[leeperry]

heheh, I'm talking about bugs in HR.......how is that out of topic ? :D

This message is hidden because Leak is on your ignore list.

damn it works :D

I'm prolly the person who discovered the most bugs in HR lately :

-REC709 matrix quite innacurate(too blue, too red and not green enough)
-ghost lines on ATi HD cards(been talking about it for a year now)
-zooming not quite centered
-HR properties looking funky on some SD/1080p movies
-AR problem with 1.33 4:3 videos, video is shrunk vertically in YUY2....but not in RGB32 :eek:
-automatic BT601/709 matrix in YUY2 if < or >1024 horizontal pixels(Haali implemented this one after I asked him)

[clsid]

-ghost lines on ATi HD cards(been talking about it for a year now)It is a bug in the ATi drivers. It's not Haali's fault. So for the love of god, please stop whining about it. Go make a million posts at some ATi support forum. I am sure they will get so sick of you that they will put an entire project team on it.

[leeperry]

hehehe, well Casimir fixed it in MPC HC after I asked him on HCFR...it was an easy fix from what he said, he changed a PS sum from 1.0 to 0.98

ATi won't fix it, they don't care about HTPC's.........you can ask arfster :D

happy to see you around btw clsid, you've always been such a friendly person :)

you might not know it, but I took care of all the french>english translations on the official MPC HC site : http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/

...so I'm not simply "whining" as you so kindly and wrongfully stated :rolleyes:

[sheppaul]

It is a bug in the ATi drivers. It's not Haali's fault. So for the love of god, please stop whining about it. Go make a million posts at some ATi support forum. I am sure they will get so sick of you that they will put an entire project team on it.

+1 :devil:

[leeperry]

oops.........looks like the short bus just dropped by :D

this bug won't be fixed by ATi(what bug ? I don't see a bug :D ), and neither by Haali............so we all HR users can just rejoice and sing along http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/buvons.gif

I'm FAR from being the only one annoyed by the innacurate BT709 matrix and this ghost lines bugs......whatever on here or on HCFR.

but HR is the best renderer EVER, and these are minor bugs......so wth :rolleyes:

I'm already thinking about learning how to code in order to fix minor bugs in ffdshow by myself(considering noone's gonna do it anyhow) :cool:

[pirlouy]

MPC HC simply can't cope with Reclock's timings.
This reclock tool is buggy and not developped anymore, I've tried it several times, but then I had a lot of crashes/freezes. So I don't think the problem is in MPC HC, but with Reclock...

MPC is pathetic for subs
No problem with MPC HC...
extensive playlist support
Playlist, it's for audio, not for video. :P

Also, this forum has that nifty "Ignore user" list - if you didn't use it before, why not give it a try and put leeperry on it?
Out of topic

np: Holz - Glut (Musick To Play In The Club)
Out of topic...

[leeperry]

this is off-topic, but everyone knows MPC HC is the best mediaplayer in the world :)

I've known Reclock's author for a long while, and guess what.....Reclock works perfectly fine in KMP with HR :)

it actually works in MPC HC, but MPC's presenter is not tight enough to cope with Reclock's demanding timings........so after 45/60' it drops frames :eek:

well you haven't tried subs in KMP, it's like subs nirvana :)

well playlists in KMP are too awesome, you can simply press NEXT and it opens the next file in the same folder...automatic playlist :)

or you can enable the "seamless playback" and it will virtually paste all the files in the same folder as one big file all at once :eek:

but keep on flaming me, I like it A LOT :D

[pirlouy]

I've known Reclock's author for a long while, and guess what.....Reclock works perfectly fine in KMP with HR :)
Have you talking to him about this bug with MPC HC ? Maybe he could help resolving your issue. But reclock will still be a buggy tool I think. :P

By the way, yeah I'm a newbie, ... what is this jitter thing everybody talks about ? I think I have understood what tearing is (when there's a lag in a part _top or bottom_ of video display) but I'm not sure to see what advantage offers HR for this "jitters" problem.

[leeperry]

I know the MPC HC's main authors pretty well too, but this is too low level for anyone to be able to fix it.

and Gabest gave up a while ago.

jitter is the most annoying problem in the digital world, check out google :)

anyhow soon there will be a new player with its own A/V renderers, and that will render Reclock useless.......a friend of mine is working on it atm, can't disclose more informations at this point.

this will offer perfect A/V sync in 48/50/59.94Hz with the lowest jitter ever....the ultimate HTPC's dream :D

PS : oh look, another HR bug :D

this is with 1280*768 video upscaled from SD, AR is 1.33

I was hoping that HR's BT.601 matrix were fine, so sending YUY2 would have been an option so I could beef up my LSF settings in ffdshow........but that's a no no :devil:

I didn't touch anything, just pressed play.

RGB32 :

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/c/2/1e5d091f7aca5e013fbc5b612e871tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/a/c/2/1e5d091f7aca5e013fbc5b612e871.html)

YUY2 :

http://pix.nofrag.com/d/f/e/3f6a9583cc1a00a43d5295a63e22dtt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/d/f/e/3f6a9583cc1a00a43d5295a63e22d.html)

[cca]

I just switched to an ATI card after years of buying only nvidia, and I have not noticed any of these bugs in my ATI 4850. Which may suggest problems with the older ATI cards which were fixed in the latest generation.

[tekNerd]

Hi guys.
I was wondering if u can tell me why OSD from Haali doesn't work for me.
I am using MPCHC 1.1.613 with latest ffdshow-tryouts beta.
Thank u.

[cca]

Hi guys.
I was wondering if u can tell me why OSD from Haali doesn't work for me.
I am using MPCHC 1.1.613 with latest ffdshow-tryouts beta.
Thank u.

The only case I know for it not work, is when Haali uses PS 1.1 scaler instead of PS 2.0. That depends totally on your Graphics card, which you do not mention. By OSD you mean the one that appears by pressing right ATL + O, right?

[leeperry]

I just switched to an ATI card after years of buying only nvidia, and I have not noticed any of these bugs in my ATI 4850. Which may suggest problems with the older ATI cards which were fixed in the latest generation.
humm, interesting.
gonna ask a friend on HCFR who's a long time HR user, he just bought one.

but the problem is in the drivers, I think you didn't look hard enough :D

does it say "S" or "SS" in HR's OSD ?