Subtitle Edit

[TR-9970X]

Sure.
To stop offtopic, continue in the right thread: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=184859

Sure, no worries, I was not aware of "your" thread.

Thanks, will send it off shortly.

[markfilipak]

I have some solid information.

I found a situation that 'shows' speech (waveform) on one side of a scene change but 'says' speech (MPV) on the other side of the scene change.

The hh:mm:ss.mmm of the scene change is 100% correct.

If I put the subtitle where the speech is shown (waveform), it's wrong (external MPV). If I put the subtitle where the speech is said (internal MPV), it's right (external MPV).

Background:
- Waveform was extracted and drawn by internal FFmpeg.
- What waveform shows gets earlier and earlier.
- I had captured the audio via MKVToolNix.
- I had to use -itsscale:a in (external) FFmpeg to sync the audio.
- There is no edit list in the resulting audio stream.

_No_ edit list, yet waveform is being drawn by internal FFmpeg as though there _is_ an edit list that internal FFmpeg is _ignoring_. That would mean that there actually is an edit list which internal MPV, external MPV, and external FFmpeg are all honoring but internal FFmpeg (waveform) is not.

But FFreport shows no edit list. I am totally baffled. The 'error' in waveform is too specific and too accurate and too persistent (video-to-video-to-video) to be accidental. Yet FFreport shows _no_ edit list. ...Is there an edit list or isn't there an edit list? Hell, I don't know anymore.

I need someone to help, to work with me. Nik is busy re-inventing the wheel.

[Nikse555]

Subtitle Edit 5 beta-1 is now out :)
https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/releases
If you're on mac, be sure to follow the installation instructions: https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit?tab=readme-ov-file#macos

SE 4 was getting increasingly hard to maintain — especially on Linux. SE 5 has rewritten UI in Avalonia UI and works much better on Linux now. Works on mac as well (cross platform with single codebase).
Note that SE 4 will still be maintained for a while, and you can have both SE 4 and 5 installed (use portable versions).

Please give the beta a spin and let me know if you run into trouble.
Note: SE 5 requires Win10 or newer.

Yeah, re-inventing the wheel surely takes a lot of time ;)

[jay123210599]

Subtitle Edit 5 beta-1 is now out :)
https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/releases
If you're on mac, be sure to follow the installation instructions: https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit?tab=readme-ov-file#macos

SE 4 was getting increasingly hard to maintain — especially on Linux. SE 5 has rewritten UI in Avalonia UI and works much better on Linux now. Works on mac as well (cross platform with single codebase).
Note that SE 4 will still be maintained for a while, and you can have both SE 4 and 5 installed (use portable versions).

Please give the beta a spin and let me know if you run into trouble.
Note: SE 5 requires Win10 or newer.

Yeah, re-inventing the wheel surely takes a lot of time ;)

Can it solve this problem?

Let me put it this way... Something hasn't been fully implemented in the keyboard shortcuts in SubtitleEdit and its window for importing *.sub subtitles for editing. A workaround is to use [Video engine]=MPC-MC as the "Video player" and use the video player's shortcuts. For example, CTRL+Right Arrow moves the video forward by one frame, and CTRL+Left Arrow moves the video back by one frame. The spacebar starts video playback. These are the default settings for this video player, and you don't need to change anything. For this to work, in both cases, you need to click on the video window to make it active.

You can delete your settings in SubtitleEdit's "Settings/Shortcuts/Video" menu.

It worked, but whenever I move a frame forward or backward, this (https://imgbox.com/QcWaPElr) doesn't move along with the video. It always remained the same. How do I fix that?

[Nikse555]

Can it solve this problem?

I'm not really sure what you mean, but the window with edit of image based subtitles does support the video movement shortcuts of the main window (in SE 5 beta 3+).

[jay123210599]

I'm not really sure what you mean, but the window with edit of image based subtitles does support the video movement shortcuts of the main window (in SE 5 beta 3+).

The beta does move the video and time when doing frame-by-frame when editing PGS subtitles, but it doesn't move the subtitles alongside them when I selected an image. It also doesn't show the end times for the subtitles and the PGS subtitle edit menu doesn't show the video in this format: 00:00:00:00

[tormento]

What is the most accurate OCR now, able to recognize italic, subtitle position and so?

I am stuck to binary, as it gives me the most predictable results but any suggestion is welcome.

[Nikse555]

What is the most accurate OCR now, able to recognize italic, subtitle position and so?

I think you're still stuck with BinaryOCR, nOCR, or Tesseract with old engine.

The AI models are certainly getting better, but none I have seen can detect italic yet - if you have a nvidia gfx card then running OCR via Ollama and glm-ocr is pretty good/fast:
https://ollama.com/library/glm-ocr

[TR-9970X]

I'm currently using Beta 5, and overall, I like all the changes, however, in "Multiple Replace", I think the previous 4.0.15 version is easier to work with.
With Beta 5, once you create a new category, it's a little bit more of a procedure to add a new rule, as you have to locate the little button with the 3 dots, and then click to show the menu, but depending on the screen layout, that button can be very hard to find, and I seem to be having to change the size & positions of other windows I have open at the time.
It would be so much easier & quicker just to be able to right button click anywhere under the main category, to add a new rule.
Also, if you have multiple categories, I've found that more often than not they ALL expand, before you get a chance to expand the one you want, so then you have to back track, and close them all.
So I've exported the other categories, and then deleted them from that list, I'll simply import them, when I need other categories.

So with the Github listing of available beta's, are there any changes, or are they simply just generated "clone's" ?

[Nikse555]

SE 5 Beta 9 is out now: https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/releases

Multiple replace now has expand (+) and collapse (-) buttons, and remembers which categories were expanded.
Added Ctrl+N shortcut for new rule + Ctrl+D for duplicate rule.
Also added some coloring and info about what rules are involved in a subtitle line fix.

Change log is here: https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/blob/main/ChangeLog.txt

[TR-9970X]

SE 5 Beta 9 is out now: https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/releases

Multiple replace now has expand (+) and collapse (-) buttons, and remembers which categories was expanded.
Added Ctrl+N shortcut for new rule + Ctrl+D for duplicate rule.
Also added some coloring and info about what rules are involved in a subtitle line fix.

Change log is here: https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/blob/main/ChangeLog.txt

Sounds good, will check it out, thanks :)

EDIT:-

OK, so I have spent the best part of today getting to know Beta 9, and I really appreciate the changes you've made since Beta 5.

Here are a couple of observations & suggestions. :)

#1. With the Category minimized, it's very easy to access the 3 dot button to add a new Category or Rule, however, once you've added a new rule, the whole Category expands, and the 3 dot button sort of goes into hiding.
So it requires the Category to be minimized again, add what you want, rinse, repeat :(

It would be great if the Category stayed minimized, until you need to expand it.

#2. The individual 3 dot buttons get inconveniently hidden under the scroll bar when the Category is expanded, making it difficult to access the 3 dot buttons menu.

The scroll bar seems to have a partial auto hide action, so when you get too close to it with the mouse pointer, it pops out, hence the above comment.

#3. When you have many, many Rules in the Category, and you discover that you need to edit or find a Rule, it's all but impossible to scroll up & down, until you find it. (Hard on the eyes).

Would it be possible to have some kind of search for Rule names/text ?

EDIT #2:-

Later in the day, I found myself having to add some lines to an existing subtitle, using the waveform, and I had been doing this quite a bit with SE 4.0.14, and found it quite easy to navigate the timeline, but with SE 5 B9, it seems to be quite different (to me), I found I had to jump it back by selecting a subtitle from before the section I wanted to edit, from the listing above the timeline window.

Maybe it needs some "obvious" navigation buttons.....:confused:

[TR-9970X]

I just had a strange and annoying thing happen.

I was editing subs with SE 5 B9, and I had a "huge" set of rules in the Multiple Replace, and for whatever reason the PC locked up, when I got back into SE, that whole set of rules (and others) were gone :mad::mad::angry::confused:

[TR-9970X]

Another thing...with SE 5 B9

How long does the "Use Always" option last when doing Spell Check ??

I have been doing a LOT of TV series subs, and the same words keep popping up, and I choose "Use Always", but then those words will show up, again & again...like it's not remembering the choice.

[TR-9970X]

Have been keeping a watchful eye on when B10 was coming out, and now it has :)

Have been using it for about 30 minutes, and it's a lot "faster" to navigate around the Multiple Replace screen, and adding new Rules & Category's....and the "Find" function is great :)

The only thing that would be a little easier is, when/if you have the screen full size, and you're adding rules, I found that the - & + buttons down the bottom left corner would be more convenient if they at the top left corner, closer the other "button's". Just a lot less mousing around, bottom to top.

Nice change since B9 :)

[TR-9970X]

I have a strange issue with the PGS subtitles on the Downton Abbey series, that I got recently.

When OCR'ing them with SE 5 B13, using either nOcr, Tesseract, and I even downloaded and tried PaddleOCR, the results for each are not good, the are many "typo's", grammar errors and extra characters throughout, it would take a long time to manually go through each sub, to correct :(

I could send you one, if you're interested.

UPDATE:- I thought I'd try Google Lens Standalone, and beside it being a little slower, it worked VERY well on the Downton Abbey sub's, but on some other it doesn't play well with ♪..it finds them well enough, but likes to put them somewhere else.

It's reasonably easy to shuffle them into the correct spot, tho.

[checky]

I tried to install version v5.0.0-beta22, but I got a pop-up saying:
Subtitle Edit requires the .NET 10 Runtime

So, what version should I download:
.NET Runtime 10.0.7
or
.NET Desktop Runtime 10.0.7

Here is the link where both runtimes could be downloaded:
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/10.0

[TR-9970X]

I tried to install version v5.0.0-beta22, but I got a pop-up saying:


So, what version should I download:
.NET Runtime 10.0.7
or
.NET Desktop Runtime 10.0.7

Here is the link where both runtimes could be downloaded:
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/10.0

It states that the Desktop has both. Read!

[GCRaistlin]

Nikse555, please take a look at https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/issues/9525 and https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit/issues/9324 . These issues got auto-closed because of inactivity.